[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vr / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k] [s4s] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / asp / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / wsg / wsr / x] [Settings] [Home]
Board
Settings Home
/a/


File: DioCoffin.png (1.14 MB, 1022x572)
1.14 MB
1.14 MB PNG
So, /a/, I'm getting into JoJo, just marahoned part 1 and what the fuck is this shit? I already know DIO comes back in part 3 from this coffin...but didn't Erina escape in it? Did he have an extra coffin around or something? Just, what?
>>
>>101602452
If something as trivial as this is bothering you, then you're going to have trouble with the later parts. Sometimes, things in JoJo can only be explained through the reason of "because Araki".

Just assume that there was an extra coffin on board the ship. This is so minor it can barely even be considered a plot hole.
>>
It's JoJo, don't think too much about it.
>>
>>101602452
Jojo is good with its clever individual fights, not with its plot in a whole.
Seriously Part 3 has a shit lots of plotholes.
>>
It was a coffin in side a coffin.
>>
He had a spare. Araki does whatever he wants
>>
>>101604518
What holes are you referring to?
>>
>>101605282
Plot ones.
>>
>>101605317
Right. What plotholes are you referring to? I know there's the whole "why did Holly lose her stand and Jotaro and Joseph got to keep theirs" but I can't think of anything else really glaring.
>>
>>101605443
>the coffin
>Dio changing stands
>Joseph forgeting almost completely about hamon when at first it was protecting him since birth (also him not teaching it to jotaro since it would be usefull as fuck aganist dio)
>timestop out of jotaros ass
not really a plot hole but just a dick move
>killing abdul twice
>>
>>101606033
While Part 3 is far from my favorite, those aren't really plotholes.

>timestop out of jotaros ass
This can be argued with the whole "Dio has Jonathan's body so The World is actually a Joestar stand so Star Platinum could have a similar ability etc". Colossal case of deus ex machina and asspull? Yes. Plothole? Not really.

>killing abdul twice
Similar case. The explanation for this is absolutely ridiculous and such an asspull, but still not a plothole.

>Dio changing stands
Again, argument can be made with the whole "Dio with Joestar body = Dio with Joestar stand abilities" explanation.

The only plothole here would be the coffin, but a very minor one.
>>
The coffin shit gets asked a lot, but it's not really a plot hole. The translation for that part is just shit.

The coffin had a fake "floor", where Dio hid with Jonathan's body when Erina was getting rescued. They apparently let the coffin sink so Dio had to wait for the next time someone got it out.

>>101607047
I don't think Jotaro's time stop is Deus Ex Machina, given that they say that Za Warudo is very similar to Star Platinum since before we know Dio stops time.

Dio changing stands is a plothole though, because of a change in plans in Za Warudo's abilities.
>>
>>101607923
By the way, when I say the coffin thing is not a plot hole, I mean that it's at least been addressed. I don't mean that it isn't an asspull or very contrived.
>>
>>101607923
The world is Dio's stand. Hermit Purple 2.0 is Jonathan's stand
>>
>>101607923
My understanding was that The World had the ability to copy Joestar stands. Hence, Timestopping, Healing, and I think (Not sure) if he uses Hermit Purple at one point on a camera
>>
Use your head, dude. The coffin Erina used to escape was just the coffin Dio used to protect his other coffin. In other words Araki forgot and forgot hard.
>>
>>101608112
Then why are The World and Star Platinum so alike while all the Joestars (including Holly, I don't know what to assume of Josuke) develop a Hermit Purple-like stand according to that theory?

>>101608181
When does he use Josuke's healing? As for Hermit Purple, he shows up with thorns in his arms on a few panels.

By the way, I like the theory of the Joestars' stands, but it's really just a fan theory unless someone has Araki's word on it.
>>
>>101608285
I already explained it, faggot.
>>
>>101608429
I coulda sworn he used it on Pucci in pt 6
>>
>>101606033
the REAL plothole in part 3 is "how the hell did jotaro get all that stuff into his cell"
>>
>>101608544
Oh, I'm currently mid-Part V so disregard me.
>>
What I don't understand is why Dio would even have Jonathan's Stand. I thought Stands were a projection of a person's fighting spirit, and not something that is passed biologically. I mean when the Gang Stars got bodyswapped they retained their Stands, so I don't see why having Jonathan's body would give Dio Jonathan's Stand.
>>
>>101608429
>>101608181
Don't forget how his bone turned people into trees sorta similar to Gold Experience
>>
>>101608580
This a hundred times.

Also from Part 3:
>How come there's more Stand users than Major Arcana
>Because EGYPTIAN GODS
>Why only 9 out of dozens?
>Actually, never mind this stupid limits.
>>
>>101608701
but dio was dead before giorno ever used gold experience, wasn't he?

>>101608726
Did they specifically say there was a limt? I just thought it was an incredibly weird coincidence that those stands were named that way
>>
>>101608774
He was also dead before Josuke used Crazy Diamond
>>
>>101608798
No, the reason he gets sick as a baby is because of the same "help I can't use my stand properly" shit holly had
>>
>>101608181
the healing was because he was a vampire wasnt it?
>>
>>101608701
To be fair re-re-undeading Dio's bone may have caused that really weird reaction.
>>
>>101608774
>Did they specifically say there was a limt?
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/131553/jojos-bizarre-adventure-part-3-stardust-crusaders_v20_ch182-191_by_ignition-one/40

Sorry, I deleted my old scans version.
>>
>>101609079
huh, wierd
>>
Brace yourself for these threads coming non-stop when the anime starts.
>>
>>101609079
This is the kind of stuff that gets you killed, Kakyouin.
>>
>>101610542
But the plot holes are either easily ignored or not plot holes, just people being stupid like Dio stand bitching, time stop bitching, Tarot stands limit bothcing and 'why didn't josuke go back in time' tier shit.
Don't let it be this way. Please anon, save us.
>>
>>101608877
Nah Jolyne got sick as well. It happens to them all. I'm pretty sure I agree with you that Josuke had his in line with the main family but it definitely happens either way.
>>
>>101610691
You can't blame people for expecting coherent stories. JoJo is a rare case that can have good stories while not minding the details just because everything is interesting.

>why didn't josuke go back in time
This a fucking valid complaint. A time travel plotline would have been awesome.

And you can tell it was the goal all along.
>>
>>101611037
why wasn't the gangster giorno saved diavolo
>>
>>101611118
Yeah, totally! Fuck.

I mean yeah, Diavolo didn't trust anybody so why would he be protecting Giorno, but still, they just looked so similar...
>>
>>101611242
whoever he was, he didn't really look like he was a high ranking member, so it could just be something like "he become even more crazy after becoming boss"
>>
>>101611118
I'm not saying it was necessary, I'm saying it would have been awesome and that the groundwork was left there.
>>
>>101608726
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennead
>>
fa/tg/uy here, I finally got into jojo, but I can only find duwang quality scanlations, does anyone have a list of good groups or shares?
>>
>>101605443
>why did Holly lose her stand and Jotaro and Joseph got to keep theirs
That's not a plot hole.
Initially stands were forcibly awakened in Joestars.
Holly never had the willpower necessary to manifest a stand, so it went out of control and started damaging her body.
But Jotaro and Joseph had. They had mastered their stands, so they were able to keep using them even after Dio's death.
How far have you read? Think of Tusk and Scary Monster.
>>101606033
>Dio changing stands
>timestop out of jotaros ass
There is a rumor that originally Dio's stand was supposed to be granting him access to abilities of Jonathan's descendants, but later Araki changed it. In that light some of the events in Part 3 make much more sense.
>>
>>101608726
>>101609079
Yes, but the limit was for a different reason. If you check the previous page, they say that SPW had been trying to spy on Dio, and that's how they know the expected number of stand users.
According to the wiki, there are also some more Egyptian stands in the novel, but it's non-canon.
>>
>>101610741
Jolyne got sick way after that. It was just an illness and has nothing to do with stands stands.
>>
>>101616246
http://pastebin.com/Zv7N4pGN
>>
File: f74.png (193.93 KB, 508x788)
193.93 KB
193.93 KB PNG
Bump
>>
>>101607047
Dio's stand change is Araki writing himself to a corner
>>
File: Spoiler Image (212.94 KB, 744x466)
212.94 KB
212.94 KB JPG
They were totally gay, right?
>>
>>101610542
Can't wait for "DID THAT GUY JUST BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF A FREIGHTER?"
>>
File: c31.gif (707.96 KB, 269x255)
707.96 KB
707.96 KB GIF
>>101618978
Not gay. just close friends.
>>
>>101618228
Wait, what do people mean about Dio changing stands

He only has the world, right?
>>
>>101616246
Google Invincible Trio, they almost finished part 4.
>>
>>101610542
inb4 tumblr goes apeshit when that girl stand user gets all her teeth ORAORA'd out after attacking the submarine
>>
>>101602452
I always roll with the theory that DIO build it's own stopping time during the explosions of the ship.
>>
>>101607047
>Dio with Joestar body = Dio with Joestar stand abilities

This is what I assumed at first but when I read part 7 and Diego's stand was Scary Monsters at first and then later when the president pulled another Diego to their dimension, he had The World as a stand. That makes no sense since in that timeline/dimension/world he wasn't a vampire and didn't steal Jonathan's body.
>>
So /a/, who is your favourite JoJo?

Mine is young Joseph.
>>
>>101622574
Johnny.
>>
>>101622574
Me too, with Josuke as a very close second.
>>
>>101622574
Bruno
>>
File: 1370173362335.jpg (126.33 KB, 600x376)
126.33 KB
126.33 KB JPG
>>101622574
Josuke is the best Jojo, it has been proven with math
>>
>>101622574
Johnathan
>>
>>101622574
Josuke with Joseph being a close second.

>>101622634
He said JoJo, not Zeppeli.
>>
>>101622574

Mine is Joseph as well.

Why is Jotaro the poster boy besides Dio for JoJo? He's not even the best jojo.
>>
>>101622837
Hes Japan's favorite JoJo with GioGio at a close second. Japan has terrible taste in everything including JoJos.
>>
File: nyoho.jpg (18.76 KB, 284x178)
18.76 KB
18.76 KB JPG
>>101622574
>>
>>101623193
Main character for first 5 volumes =/= a JoJo.
>>
File: 1350191053588.jpg (108.52 KB, 347x639)
108.52 KB
108.52 KB JPG
>>101622574
Jolyne.
>>
>reading part 5
>Fugo leaves the gang
>thinks he'll come back in the final fight to help Giorno a la any typical shounen manga
>finish part 5
>Fugo never shows up again

What a shit.
>>
>>101625052
Yeah it was a real let down, read Purple Haze Feedback though.

Fun novel.
>>
File: JOJO-v13-c115-p005.png (208 KB, 694x1100)
208 KB
208 KB PNG
Oh, it's this thread again.
>>
>>101625301
There are two Fugo novels.
>>
>>101626745
Pretty sure there's only one and the other is just a general Vento Aureo novel.
>>
>>101622574
Johnny.
>>
>>101614503
Oh, thanks.

>>101617044
That's not what I'm saying. They basically say "how come there can be more stand users because there are no more Major Arcana" at that point, and that's a plot hole. Why would they even think that?
>>
>>101622620
My nigger.
>>
>>101629637
>because
if
>>
File: 1389804133174.png (969.88 KB, 579x654)
969.88 KB
969.88 KB PNG
>>101622574
Josuke > Johnny > Jolyne > Joseph > Giorno > Jotaro > Jonathan
>>
>>101602452
Wasn't this scene at the end of Part 2?
>>
>>101629637
>They basically say "how come there can be more stand users because there are no more Major Arcana" at that point, and that's a plot hole. Why would they even think that?
Because that was all they knew at that point.
Also, stand naming itself is rather nonsensical if you think of it, so it's probably better to consider the whole thing one of those "suspension of disbelief" moments, like superhero costumes, rather than a plot hole.
>>
>>101622837
Jotaro is a fujoshi favorite, they tip the polls
>>
>>101632428
>it's probably better to consider the whole thing one of those "suspension of disbelief" moments
That only works when it's not acknowledged in-universe. That's what I'm saying.

It's obvious the Tarot naming stuff it's just there because it's cool, but the very fact that the characters believe they *must* follow that rule it stops being "just something cool" and starts being unexplained plot holes.

They're implying there's supposed to be a cosmic limit on stand users or something, and then ignoring it in it's entirety.
>>
>>101630285
I'm in part 5 right now but so far:
Joseph>Josuke>Jotaro>Giorno>Jonathan.
>>
>>101633035
If you and your friends had powers named after Major Arcana cards, and only fought people with powers named after said cards, wouldn't you be at least a bit surprised to encounter someone with a power named after something else?
I wonder if both Dio and Avdol used the same method to dispense stand names at first.
> That only works when it's not acknowledged in-universe.
You reminded me of a scene in Yuyushiki where the characters mentioned a real-life fact about red eyes and then specifically point out that one of them has red eyes. That looked very strange in a world where characters have traditional anime-style colored hair and eyes.
>>
>>101633959
>>
>>101633959
They weren't surprised that the other stand users where named after something else, they were surprised that there were other stand users at all.

They never considered repeating cards a possibility, and basically expected the number of stand users at any given time to be fixed.

It doesn't even make sense considering Holly is supposed to be a Stand user too.

By the way, your Yuyushiki example is at least supposed to poke fun at this by leaning on the 4th wall.



Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.