>Trebol ate the beta beta fruit
>no personal space
>lives in a basement
>creeps on lolis
>constantly sweating and drippy
I want Sugar to pee in my mouth to see if her pee tastes like her name
Please see OP pic.
>post powermanga link
>OP image is from another scan
I-I liked that translation better
Man, she's so fucked. At least she's fighting smart.
Why the foot chain?
My guess is that Doffy's crew were all slaves he took with him when he quit the Celestial Dragons.
Why are people still confused about Armament haki? There are two types clear and dark (hardening). In general, haki users seem to use the clear type (Boo, Sai, Tashigi, Zoro, Law etc.) But the Hardening seems to be an advanced application of it.
Then why is Trebol the only one to keep the chain?
Bart has to be the best character Oda has made in years.
The problem is why is the clear Haki sometimes shown to be stronger when the black Haki is supposed to be an advanced form?
Doflamingo (or any other top tier for that matter) never used black Haki and he clearly has strong Haki
Or maybe it's just that Oda hadn't decided how he wanted to show haki pre-timeskip and it's only post-timeskip he came up with turning stuff black as a consistent way to show to the audience somebody is using haki.
Click random until you get a random devil fruit power.
When you clearly see his threads he is using armament haki. They are usually invisible.
Hide and report
Looks like he wanted to stick with the slave image
What a fucking bitch
Has she no shame?
Who is Mach Bise?
How about not everyone uses Hardening haki? There are probably trade-offs between using one or the other.
this is actually true. I really love Barts character ever since his introduction and I always want to see more of him. I especially love his ability and how it meshes with his character- he's a hideous monster and so to keep people out he builds up "barriers" against them. And that whole thing kids do when they play on the playground "YOU CAN'T HURT ME WHEN I GO LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES A BARRIER TO PROTECT ME"
It's perfect. I really do hope he joins the crew, although I strongly doubt he will. I just hope we get to see a lot of him in the future.
I want all of Dressrosa to leave
It's overwhelmingly likely Oda changed it to be more visible so you can tell when someone is actually using armament haki
I made this in case anyone wants it without Trebol
Why doesn't Bart just slice people in half with his barriers?
Anybody else notice something about the most recent chapter? Cavendish is under Sugar's contract but Hakuba isn't
What could the trade off of hardening be? Hardening seems to have some sort of chargetime maybe
Man I can see the pica fight being epic, but physical blunt damage just isn't threating to Luffy
No shit, that was getting theorized when we first saw Hakuba
So Diamante is shit?
Sabo tore through his pike thing without even the minimum effort.
I notice that Sabo used Black Haki. Cool.
I have to say, Bartolomeo feels very "strawhat", everything from mannerisms to his expressions, etc
I like Powermanga's better
It's supposed to be a play on being aggravating (apparently that's what calling someone a cannibal means in Japan) and him actively bothering the crowd while having a completely defensive fruit
Glad to help. Any other requests?
Robin didn't feel "strawhat" when she first joined.
He cut off a dude's tongue.
I think he would go well with Usopp, sort of like King from OPM
you know what would have been a really nice way to reveal that Sabo was alive all along? Kept Luffy in the tournament and continued things on with Luffy staying in instead of leaving to go with Zoro and Violet and continue on with the plan.
Luffy, Bartolomeo and Rebecca team up against Burgess and Diamante, they take down Diamante but all 3 lose to Burgess. Someone then leaps out of the crowd and takes out Burgess with that dragon claw move. It's revealed to be sabo who then takes a big chomp out of the mera mera no mi and the chapter ends. People would have pissed their pants.
Has it been actually confirmed that Hack was a revolutionary before this chapter? Wasn't it only hinted?
He stabbed it, didn't cut it off
Nigga shouldn't have been talking shit about Luffy senpai
Only because they insulted Luffy. That's probably the reason he's been known to hurt civilians.
Except it isn't when clearly have characters using "clear" haki and mentioning that specifically that they're using haki. Like when Sai went up against those two brothers.
Stop making up shit. There is clear and hardening (dark) armament haki.
It was extremely heavily implied and we all assumed it was true but it was never outright stated.
What kind of break are we talking about here?
Pretty sure he cut it off, but don't worry, that doesn't kill people, the dude at the auction house that bit off his tongue was fine later, but missing the tip of his tongue.
What the fuck are you talking about? Pre-timeskip, Oda never made it clear whenever anyone used haki. Post-timeskip, whenever somebody is using haki they turn black. It's pretty fucking simple.
I'm sure Franky and Robin did worse
Plus that guy was scum anyway
Kitkat break. One piece of Kitkat.
>dat Barto hoverhand
Oh fuck my sides
The same monthly break we've been getting since he got hospitalized.
I am like 6 episodes behind on the anime have we heard Barts voice yet?
How about you wait for an explanation. There is probably a reason why people are using clear and hardening haki, sometimes interchangeably.
>that Barto hoverhand
Just fucking send a letter to Oda already
isn't as good as the quick simple
He's a mafia, he's probably done a lot of terrible stuff to civilians.
But so did Franky.
God damn Luffy is a midget
Blades do not turn black for some reason, I suspect because they're blades so they don't need "hardening" like blunt attacks.
did robin just placed a copy of her eyes in ussop nose?
Robin was basically an assassin, and was bringing Alabasta to ruins, Franky stole their money and beat the shit out of Usopp in addition to god knows what off screen
So yeah, Barto isn't out, it would take like one panel to justify whatever he has his reputation from
>Post-timeskip, whenever somebody is using haki they turn black. It's pretty fucking simple.
Except when Smoker used haki against Law, Tashigi used haki against Monet, ditto for Zoro, when Boo and Sai used haki, when Doflamingo used haki, and whenever Law used haki against Smoker.
I'm really starting to think most of the people in this thread aren't reading above the high school level.
Franky beats the shit out of people, like Usopp, but I would guess in Oda's mind, to solidify someone doing permanent damage and thus painting them as a "bad" person cutting off a limb is worse, or some shit.
What if Oda dies
Also, Sugar is older than she looks, and "yucky go die" makes her sound like she really is 5. I imagine her looking young but having the mind of an adult
>instead of helpful questions like this it's a bunch of retarded-ass birthday shit and stupid questions about fan characters
My heart will die too.
He has the ending written somewhere
The world will know
Doesn't matter, Barto has a crew of his own to tend to
Why would that piss you off? Of course Onii-Sama is going to be stronger.
He and Ace were both stronger than Luffy and Luffy couldn't even beat them once when they were kids.
On top of this before even Ace sailed out and while Luffy was still living at home with Mom. Big Bro Sabo was out in the new world with Dragon.
Even when Luffy finally managed to make it to the grand line, Sabo was out in the new world with like 10 years of experience there.
It's not the blade, retard. Hardening haki extends from the body onto the weapon you're using. That's why Smoker's fist was blackened when he hardened his jutte. The same goes for Vergo and his bamboo. If Zoro was using hardening haki we would see his hand and hilt turn black.
So did Franky and Usopp.
Now you're just fucking making up rules.
If Ace lived and also got stronger? No way.
At Ace's level before he died? Might be close fight. Remember Ace was about equal to Jinbei when they fought for a week or whatever to a standstill. But it's also likely that Ace would have grown stronger since then or at least grown faster than Jinbei would have. Since Jinbei was much older and Ace wasn't even near his prime yet.
So, if you think that Luffy is stronger than Jinbei is already then yeah it's quite possible that current Luffy could have beaten Ace before his death. But it seems like Luffy is only about as strong as Jinbei currently after seeing them almost fight in the sea forest.
Jesus, someone is hostile.
When did DD and Zoro use haki? And what about Sai? That was that shockwave shit their navy is known for. Smoker was shown turning black, and it's just as likely Oda doesn't show the black on blades because it would just be a black shape (same with going out of his way to make a tiny black mark on Boo's axe)
But do you really just read One Piece to find out the ending?
Isn't the journey even more important?
Doesn't matter, Gambia his "second-in-command" got killed and his entire crew is without doubt fodder-tier and have already been killed/captured by the marines
Nothing stops him from fulfilling his dream and joining his idols crew
Zoro/Boo/Sai/Doflamingo never used armament haki.
Indeed, that's what I'm suggesting, but maybe Oda is just being annoying.
when Robin joined, I didn't think she was going to stay in all honesty. I thought she was only there to betray them I'm glad she was there for Skypeia, and it didn't just go from Alabasta---> Water 7. Then nobody would have really had a big reason to care about Robin being on the crew or not or have even been surprised that she betrayed them.
A lot of people "feel" like SH quality, but here's the only list of people who would actually be a good fit on the straw hat crew for the rest of the adventure, in no particular order:
He's funny, his interactions with the crew were funny and a running gag could be his dumb brother constantly trying to take him back
2) Ceasar Clown
This one should be obvious. He already has relationships being built up with some of the straw hats, like chopper and sanji. His running gag already seems to be he doesn't like hearing about how much better Vegapunk is than he is.
If he doesn't die, Jinbe would be a great fit. He isn't the funniest character but he has a lot of knowledge on the grand line, a lot of experience that would really be beneficial, he's a good solid fighter who hasn't ever seemed to be far superior to Luffy in combat, and Luffy has "fought" and sometimes even lost with just about every member of his crew.
I'm like Robin I guess. I'll enjoy the journey and have fun but I really have to know the truth of behind it.
Yup, and plenty of them had some kind of group they were committed to. He could easily just hand-off to that guy the VA beat up, or it's possible he's not actually in a crew because it's called the Barto Club
I don't recall Gambia dying.
Luffy fought with Zoro at whiskey peak, Luffy fought with Usopp at Water 7, Luffy "fought" with Nami when they first met and she tied him up and gave him to Buggy, Luffy jokingly has fights with Sanji, and Sanji round house kicked him in the face when he tried to tell Usopp to leave the crew. Luffy fought with Chopper when they first met since Luffy was trying to get him to join the crew I believe and Chopper was trying to refuse, or maybe it was earlier then that. Luffy also fought with Robin while on Alabasta, and Luffy fought with Franky at water 7.
I don't think Luffy has had a fight with Brook at all. It'd be too hard to take it seriously. It's really hard to take Brook seriously at all with that afro, and the fact that he talks about his dead crew one moment and the next
It's clear that Blackbeard cares for his crew somewhat. If not for their personal safety then at least to preserve their strength and not let them die uselessly.
>Saved Burgers from getting his shit stomped in by Ace
>Saved entire crew from battling Red Hair pirates
>Saved entire crew from Akainu during negotiations to acquire battleship.
I'm not making up anything.
Look at how Sabo's hardening haki extended from his hand onto Burgess' armor in this very chapter.
Use your eyes, manga is a visual medium. Everything doesn't have to be pointed out to you.
Fuck no, he'd take Sanjis place in the monster trio
>he's a good solid fighter who hasn't ever seemed to be far superior to Luffy in combat
Nigga. he fought Ace to a standstill for days. Jinbei is so much stronger than Luffy is before the timeskip. It's not even close at all.
While I admit Caesar would be enjoyable on the crew, I think his past is too evil (enslaving and testing on children, the genocide of his assistants) to be redeemed.
Caribou is similar, we actually saw him drowning a marine, he might be a little too evil
Prove to me that's not Burgess' haki instead.
Reminds me I should make an Enel folder
Are you serious? That's like saying Wapol has a chance of joining.
Exactly, fuck he took down Moria with ONE SINGLE PUNCH. And he's several times stronger in the water.
Joining/forming a proper pirate crew is rather different that just being part of a family or vague group in Oda's mind I guess. Something drastic has to make you change allegiances if you're not just some shit character.
Wasn't it implied during FI that Luffy beat him? Pretty sure they fought off-camera over who did what and in the end Luffy got his choice
Is there anyway Sabo can fuck this up? I mean him and Bart and fighting together while Diamante and Burgess still have to watch out for each other. Rebecca's fighting for herself but I don't see her actively attacking Sabo.
Sabo can already handle Burgess, and Bart can just throw in an invisible barrier anytime to mess them up
Unless Diamante's ability is really broken I don't see them losing
Why does he has lines down his nose?
What are they supposed to represent?
That's not what happened at all. You might want to reread FI. They threw one punch then stopped fighting due to Robin interfering
Nami was part of a proper pirate crew.
You're just as retarded as the person you're talking to.
Funny thing is that they tend to point shit out anyway.
Do you guys buy the volumes?
I just did. First time after, let me think, like 6 years.
The pacing in the volumes is super great(finished 69) and it makes you realise how incredibly shit the scans online are. YES I AM LOOKING AT YOU MANGAPANDA!
After that, I think we saw them acting like they were gonna fight over it and then it cuts to Luffy having his choice in the present
Jesus is getting serious so maybe they'll knock each other out.
Thus my last sentence, because so was Brook. In Nami's case, she was not loyal to Arlong, but had to pretend to try to buy back her town, Brook's crew fucking died.
I just hate that they translate the onomatopoeias in the English volumes. Ruins it for me
They didn't, they just talked things through.
You hate that they try to translate in the translated version so you can actually understand the sfx?
Maybe Burgess and Diamante might temporarily ignore each other once they realize Bart and Sabo are fighting together?
When Doflamingo cut Smoker he was using haki.
When Zoro cut Monet he was using haki.
When Sai said his axe broke despite the fact that he was using haki, he was using haki.
How can you not remember this?
Yeah, because onomotopoeias are the same across all cultures right?
How much of a fucking weeaboo are you?
>When did DD and Zoro us haki?
Are you actually retarded?
Caribou too evil, maybe because he seems sadistic (although I dunno after this grandmother cover story he had), but CC? He seems just too plain silly, and Robin has also done some pretty villainous things and betrayed a lot of people who MIGHT have betrayed her otherwise. That was kind of her whole motif, which is why I don't think we'll get another "evil girl" like Monet on the crew anytime soon.
CC I think will get redeemed during this chaos with Big Mom, sounds like he will ally with the SH just to make sure he doesn't have to go with her and get his ass killed or imprisoned forever.
How can Jinbe take Sanjis spot in the monster trio when Franky already did
I don't see Rebecca attacking anyone head on, actually. Not because she is a coward but just because she is a defensive fighter and only a defensive fighter. I see Burgess taking down Sabo and Bartolomeo and even Diamante, but this is where Rebecca will show herself. Rebecca was the ONE person in block D- the ONLY one mind you- who was able to block Hakubas attack and not be completely knocked out. Mind you, block D was full of dangerous outlaws, criminals, hardened New World veterans who had titles and names. But only princess Rebecca who everyone boos could handle Hakuba, even if it was for only a moment. Not to mention she was locked in combat while she dodged Hakuba. This final fight is much less chaotic and for some reason, I see her taking down Burgess at this point, and I don't mean kicking his ass, but just manages to knock him off the stage and let the fish beat the shit out of him while she retrieves the fruit.
Either that, or Burgess and Diamante will be so busy with Sabo + Bartolomeo that she'll find a chance to steal the fruit and eat it and will escape using her new logia powers to go find and beat up Doflamingo, even though it won't work because he has haki of course and she'll get womped.
I used to buy volumes dubbed to my mother tounge, however in volume 64 on the last page it pretty much said "lel we wont release any more books because no one buys them" and now I'm here.
I'm thinking of continuing with the english volumes, but fuck does it annoy me that the backs are completely different.
DD fought Smoker off-screen
Tashigi specifically said Zoro cut Monet WITHOUT using haki, that was the whole point, he scared her shitless
How exactly would the axe turn black? Literally the only panel we see it it's broken in half
Regardless, how much are you just making up? The entire fucking chapter was about Zoro not using haki when he cut Monet
What's wrong with a small note at the bottom noting what the sound effect says or means? Sorry I don't try to pretend like I'm reading something that was originally in English
No, it's just stupid to make the blade black.
But now we know the real reason why there are no niggers in One Piece. It's all for the Haki
>although I dunno after this grandmother cover story he had
Pretty much every former villain has had a cover story that showed they weren't super evil anymore after the fight. But he's still too evil to ever join.
Hardening haki extends from the physical body, Burgess's arm wasn't blackened at all.
The fact that that's not actually translating.
I used to buy them, I got up to like Volume 39, then I stopped reading OP for a while and by the time I caught up again the volumes were so far part that I didn't want to spend the money anymore.
She fights smart and she knows Bart has the barrier thing going.
Better stand behind it, than in front, when shit goes down.
>burgess taking down anyone besides rebecca
just no, Burgess was always the franky of the group
Sabo is at least as good as luffy, add Bartolomeo who's at least entry-VA tier.
I miss when Luffy was cool
I have all 69 so far. Can't wait for vol 70! We'll be in the same arc as the series, that's insane/.
What's his deal anyway?
But seriously if weapons didn't need to turn black Smoker's jutte and Vergo's bamboo stick could have been left as they were, the fact that Smoker was taking damage would have been enough to prove use of haki.
And yes I know you said blades specifically, I still think blackening is hardening thus its not useful for cutting attacks, but blunt things like the stick and jutte make use of it.
Even more insane: The english version of the manga will be AHEAD of the anime in japan.
Burgess is a helms man sure, but he screams BB first mate to me because out of all of BBs crew, he is the one that jumped in when BB was fighting against Sengoku
He smokes too much and sleeps too little
Does anyone else resent the introduction of haki?
I mean, just because of the stupid discussions about it all the time, I sometimes wish people would just use seastone instead.
I think her mom is Kaido
german version as well
His position is kind of funny since they were sailing on a raft. Also Doc Q was paddling just fine with him.
Well it's all speculation now, but ever since the Ace-BB fight where they had to stay out of the way, I just never had the feeling that BB's old crew had his "monster trio"
Shiryuu is zoro's parallel so he's the first mate in strength if not in name, all the other strong ones are probably recruited from impel down.
Of course this is all speculation and we'll see how strong burgess is after this fight
>Tashigi specifically said Zoro cut Monet WITHOUT using haki, that was the whole point, he scared her shitless
She never said that. I'm talking about when he actually cut her, not the intimidation. Next time you try to claim something go back and read and use actual panels.
(Different Guy) DD used Haki on his strings when he jobbed Smoker. Don't recall a moment when Zoro confirmed used Haki.
And if that's the case, then he wouldn't show the black on any weapon.
Burgess's muscles are too big and too gimmicky.
Most of the really strong people in One Piece are simply strong, the ones that look like giant body builders with exaggerated muscles are actually weak.
Garp is strong
The axe's handle would have turned black if he was using hardening? Are you even paying attention to scans you're looking at?
For the actual cut he didn't. Why does that matter at all? He wasn't even in the panel when she got cut, so how could any part of him or his sword possibly be black
We've only seen his muscles when he was younger as I recall, otherwise he's just a huge human, not uber beefy like Burgess.
He cut her face with Haki, showing that:
1) He could use Haki well enough to hurt her
2) He had no problems cutting up a woman
He cut her in half after this without Haki. But Monet thought he was about to kill her and there was nothing she could do about it. Thats where the mindrape comes in.
Maybe he just, y'know, stopped using it? Maybe Oda's extremely inconsistent with his portrayal of haki and attempting to make up new forms and rules to try and explain these inconsistencies away is pointless?
Alright, let's say you were drawing a page. You have black, and you can leave white space. How are you going to show that the axe is black? And still show that it's an axe? In a single panel with it flying away? You can't
Why do you question God?
Okay, you're an idiot. But I'll submit one more piece of evidence. When Smoker stops Law from cutting Tashigi he clearly isn't using hardening, but clear haki.
You're not going to convince this idiot even with solid evidence like that.
>Oda makes eminem God
>years later Eminem starts calling himself god
WHAT DOES IT MEAN
You don't have to show that its an axe, he fucking writes it out.
Oda is the second coming of Jesus
He'll die literally seconds after the last chapter is completed
What about Buggy? His nose? What's wrong with his nose? He has a big shiny red nose?!?!
You're a fucking idiot. It takes two seconds to color in an axe handle black with ink.
okay.. uhm.. well. you know? you dont even see a small note at the bottom most of the time cause translators online are mostly lazy and work to be fast, not please the readers.
I've always thought haki was like nen in the sense of the way they're portrayed. Oda draws haki sometimes but they are always using it, or almost always
>that fucking boat
the fuck you say
>if i get even angrier then ill be right
Not how it works, how is that any more right than what I said? That armament haki is specially split between hardening and clear haki?
>But only princess Rebecca who everyone boos could handle Hakuba,
I do think she is the weakest there besides probably Barto, even though his DF is godly. I think she would have the easiest time fighting either Burgress who is just some strong big slow dude or someone like Barto who also just excels at defense.
I think Sabo would likely be able to blitz her before she can dodge as he was able to see through Hakuba's attack as well. It's likely he is capable of similar speed. Also, I'm not sure if she can fight someone like Diamante who isn't as straight forward as Burgess.
Eh, I'm not going to discuss it further. You guys can't change my mind and I can't change yours. Therefore I will continue to not buy English volumes because I dislike the way they are. Happy?
Or maybe he isn't using haki at all?
How can people even argue against there not two types of Armament haki: clear and black haki when Tashigi uses armament but never uses hardening? It's the same when Smoker stopped Law's blade.
I mean, what the fuck are you trying to argue?
Doffy for next crew member
Did you actually try it? It looks fucking stupid, especially if you were just a casual reader who didn't follow OP, it would look like Oda just got lazy drawing it. Obviously it's possible but it just looks bad considering the medium
I just think it's a really strange reason. There are plenty of reasons to not buy the english volumes (oh come my way, kami eneru, constant refusal the words 'death' or 'die', ZOLO) but that's a weird one.
That is pretty fuckign smart. I'm glad she did it because I'm sure a lot of people here would do the same thing. I mean it's just fuckign smart and usually comic characters do stupid shit.
When you first saw this, who did you think he was?
Ich finde die deutsche Übersetzung ziemlich gut. Zum Beispiel kommt der Ton von Kinemon und Momonosuke sehr gut rüber, die Höflichkeit.
I see it more as him "troll baiting" people into attacking him. Then his godly ability transfers all that damage right back at them.
>That armament haki is specially split between hardening and clear haki?
This is exactly what I'm arguing. Are you arguing that too? The question mark makes it ambiguous.
In this specific case. Boo was not using Hardening (black) because Oda goes out of his way to show whenever a character is using it.
Because she's using a meitou you fucking idiot, what's the point of coating something you black haki when it's already super hard and not likely to break
I seriously thought it was Krieg
Oh of course those factor in as well. The sfx just happen to be the breaking point for me
I'm trying to argue that you're a fucking idiot and there's only one kind of haki: armament haki. It's coloured black as a visual shorthand, most of the time. Sometimes it isn't, either when it's obvious or unnecessary or the characters are explicitly stating they're using haki so Oda doesn't need to.
You're just fucking making up an entirely new kind of haki and powersystem that was never stated in the series. I don't even get why, it makes things way, way more complicated than they need to be.
>Bed cover for a cape
THat would feel really fucking random.
You can only fucking stop Law's slashing attacks using haki. This is stated in the manga. Like in that very chapter.
I thought it was Krieg too and he had been mutilated because of something or other, and he blamed Luffy for not allowing him to have Zeff's log and ship.
No, it isn't. That's why there are so many arguments about Vergo. How you're supposed to stop Law's attacks is incredibly unclear. Post an actual page if you want to support your argument.
Why did everyone think he was a revolutionary?
Despite the rest of their translation being shit, I liked panda's Surge Elbow better than Wave Action Elbow.
I think that's more because Smoker didn't actually let Law "cut" him, he always parried and pushed the sword away.
Meanwhile, Vergo just tries to fucking tank it.
it was the german version, btw. I just shopped a shitty english translation on it because i dont have the font... i think.
but fair point.
That doesn't explain the Vergo v Smoker fight, it would be clear enough Vergo is using haki and Smoker would probably be using his own to counter it, but they both go full black, and they're both using blunt weapons and their own body as weapons.
Grand Line was thought to be this kind of exclusive club where only the niggerest niggers could be part of and instead when we got there there was a shit ton of fodder everywhere.
Then the New World was thought to be thins kind of even more exclusive club where even the niggerest of niggers would have trouble navigating and it turned out to be full of normal people too.
Does anyone else kind of find this disappointing?
People know you are using it?
Clear Haki extends your attack's collision box, while hardening does not?(except for attack that would have a ranged effect regardless)
He was one of the first to try to jump in against Ace too.
> implying Akainu wouldn't be doing it without hypnosis.
He's the hero the New World needs.
Does that need to be explained? They're both using haki to attack each other. Why read any deeper into it?
I'm glad someone else agrees. Akainu is the only actual real hero in the story. He knows that pirates are scum that go around looting, raping, and killing. He knows that as a marine he needs to save innocent lives. He does what needs to be done.
Its clear Vergo would have to be using haki to hurt Smoker, so coloring him black would be unnecessary unless its implying he's hardening as well.
What's the font btw? Anyone know?
Let's talk about Burgess for a second
Is he using fucking dials?
No, there are two types of armament haki. Whenever someone is using Hardening it extends from their body. This is absolute. So if someone is using hardening haki on their sword. Their hands would also be darkened.
There is clear armament haki and hardening (dark). Please don't chalk it up to Oda "forgetting" or being lazy and not coloring.
Tashigi has never shown anything like this despite using armament haki.
It appears Fujitora is thinking the same thing to some degree.
I seriously doubt if the original crew were anywhere near as strong as the newer recruits but they could have gotten stronger and caught up maybe.
But it's also clear that BB tries to protect his crew from powerful enemies.
So far he has ordered his crew to retreat/ not fight against Ace, Shanks, and Akainu.
Maybe Oda just wanted to make it double-clear? Maybe he likes colouring stuff black? Maybe he coloured them black to help contrast with Smoker's smoke and make the action more clear? Maybe he spilled ink on the page and drew around it?
I'm just trying to say that evidence for there being two types of haki is slim at best and people should really just stop trying to read too deep into stuff and relax.
Still fucking mad it wasn't Krieg.
I've been waiting 8 years for Gin to appear. My hope is fading.
I doubt it, the king of prodence basically showed brute force can send flying punches, kind of like flying kicks with CP9. I suppose this is a hint that Sanji's kicks may become ranged in the future.
>retards on both sides fighting over something that Oda hasn't even explained yet
>MY BASELESS SPECULATION IS OBVIOUSLY CANON
>NUH-UH MINE IS
Holy shit just kill yourselves
I would be surprised if anyone didn't think it was Don Krieg. Oda was hinting that pretty strongly.
I'm done arguing with you. Occam's razor destroys your entire argument. At any rate, just post a single page where anybody explicitly states that there are two types of armament haki and you might actually have something. Until then, you have absolutely no proof, just a whole lot of speculation.
The next thing you are going to say is that Mantra and Color of observation are two different hakis.
Indeed. I respect him quite a bit. I wish he was real.
I'd fucking enlist.
>Baseless shit like this isn't what /a/ is all about.
What if what you're calling hardening armament haki is just armament haki plus tekkai from the rokushiki?
Oda adds things at a whim.
What better time to add something he didn't think of than over the break?
It's clear he didn't even think of armament haki until at least water 7
Half of those were clearly jokes and bouncing random shit off walls is half the fun of these threads. It's when you try to claim your speculation is fact that you run into problems.
You can't move when using tekkai and Luffy doesn't know tekkai.
most of what you quoted wasn't even about something in the manga. just like.. about non story stuff. fuck you
The post of mine you highlighted has nothing to do with speculation.
Trebol is clearly wearing a bed cover as a cape.
What would happen to Brook if he drowned to death? Would he be able to come back to life after having his body pulled up? Same with if he touched seastone.
Speculation is kind of the point of these threads. Just deciding which ideas have merit or not is what you can do if you have no further ideas to contribute.
Is this supposed to be bait, or do we have a true fool among us?
Maybe I'd enlist.
If I could go the Coby route I definitely would, but doing something like guarding Impel Down or serving someone like Morgan would suck
Smoker says Tashigi's haki isn't strong enough. And Dofalmingo says Law's attacks were useless on Vergo because his haki will protect him.
Why am I even arguing with you when you don't remember shit about the manga?
>"Ohno, I'm drowning"
>"Ohwait, I hae no lungs. Yohohohoho"
Here's the biggest peace of evidence that it's two separate things.
Luffy said Sanji knows armament haki.
Yet Sanji didn't use the black haki against Vergo. (his pants legs weren't shiny), he also didn't use it against Doflamingo. These were both dire situations so I doubt Sanji would hold back.
There's nothing to suggest that, but there is a possibility Otohime had something a bit beyond as she could sense emotions as well, mantra was just what the Skypeian's called CoO, like Soldier calling it human power or something.
People have called it "Hardening Haki". As though its a specific form.
Does hardening Haki add force to the attack, or just harden the the object its being used on? That could be a difference.
It's a pretty big bait.
The answer is maybe.
This actually seems to be the case.
Maybe he thought Vergo and Doffy were girls at first so he held back.
Quotefags are some of the most annoying retards on this site.
The fact that it clearly didn't?
Post a page where they call it that.
>Maybe Oda just wanted to make it double-clear?
Look how dumb you sound.
It's very low quality though and not subtle at all. It's just a bunch of random quotes linked and most of them have nothing to do with the others.
Then someone just going
>Hurr durr u retarded haha
Being a master troll and baiter I'm actually disgusted that people even respond to such low effort posts.
That one guy was able to move when using tekkai and Luffy learned Soru just by watching even tough he doesn't call it that. Sanji also basically learned Geppo without "knowing rokushiki." It's just an idea, but I'd like to see more rokushiki in the future. It introduced these awesome powers but they are almost never used.
>Anons can't speculate over things
>more new at 9
>Bosushoka : Koka
>Color of Armaments: Hardening
I think when he meant people he meant literally readers discussing it.
Although maybe this page is translated a little off, could be a synonym the translator chose.
I want to put Wicca in my rectum and repeatedly flex my buttocks and sphincter until ecstacy is induced.
I forgot about that. I always assumed if Brooke got submerged, that was it and he'd be dead for good. That doesn't seem to make sense. If seawater nullifies the power of a fruit then shouldn't his power of living a second life have been nullified at that point?
yfw Gin works for Kaidou and has eaten the Racoon Zoan, and is known for stealing food throughout the seas to feed Kaidou's beasts.
Its a named technique. Its not like people constantly yell out "Bosushoka!" while using haki.
Just watch the anime you fools
>inb4 anime isn't canon
afte the sabo reveal I doubt anyone can say that
>It clearly didn't
Yes, it didn't. But it Law's powers were clearly useless against Vergo in the past.
Use your noggin and reason why they work on Vergo now that Law is a Shichibukai and has been in the New World for a while. It's because both the cutting power of Law's DF and the combination of haki.
Brooke's ability to leave is body is clear cut proof that there is more to his ability than just revival. For all we know his yomi yomi fruit is literally the underworld fruit and Brooke has the untapped potential to raise armies of the damned.
One of his assistants will rpobably take over
The sabo reveal also happened in the manga, retard.
Doesn't nullify passive abilities, but weakens users, ie Luffy's neck stretching in Arlong Park.
hardening deniers status
[ ]not told
[x]TOL D ROGER
It's never been said in the manga that black hardening technique is anything at all.
>blatant pervert pandering
>blatant shonen babby pandering
what the hell?
Exactly. The black skinned Armament Haki is treated as a different technique, an advancement.
Pretty sure he's talking about the anime only scene where dragon picks up sabo in east blue moron, because back then retards like you are saying Sabo's dead and that scene wasn't canon.
I'm pretty sure that Hardening just hardens the body part/object its used on. Its the difference between being hit by flesh and bone or by a mass of steel. It also lets you hit Logia.
Meanwhile, Clear Haki adds force/power to the attack and extends the hitbox of the attack. Also letting you hit Logia.
One is primarily defensive(though changing flesh to steel in a punch is pretty hard hitting), and the other is a more offensive application.
Thats my guess, anyway.
>[x]TOL D ROGER
Doflamingo clearly said Haki can stop Law's ability. And Vergo clearly beat the shit out of Law in the past.
Are people simply calling Doflamingo an idiot?
And it should be noted, your armament haki has to be at a certain level to stop Law's cutting power (better than Tashig's and Vergo's). Vergo was strong enough to nullify it in the past, but not now since Law became stronger.
Does Oda hate black people?
>secret power in One Piece is harnessing nigger power
>that afro foreshadowing
ill never get over this based oda
A lot of shit isn't said in the manga. It's a visual medium. Oda expects you to use your eyes and to make observations based off what you see.
There is a clear distinguishable difference between "clear" armament haki and black (hardening) armament haki.
Please be bait. Please.
the anime was alot less vague and people are saying it's not canon
that poor pirate
>not dropping OP around chapter 200
>vague = anything not spoonfeeded to me
Yeah, I agree. The manga seems to point in this direction. I don't seem why some people are doggedly defending the notion that Oda just colors armament haki at his whimsy to confuse readers in a relatively straight forward shounen manga.
It fucking says the evening the world nobles came.
But it's not canon. Because it wasn't in the manga.
That's what it took for your ADHD to kick in, uh?
Do we have some actual retards in here? >>101586184
More proof, how anyone can deny there are two types of haki I just don't understand
tbh we haven't seen Burgess go all out and he's supposed to be top tier
Are you idiots new?
Were you even here a year ago for the threads?
I'm saying the anime isn't canon. Not the actual scene. He's implying that because the anime was less vague, and Sabo turned out to be alive, it was canon.
Seems legit, ok you win.
Post a manga page
I don't care about the opinions of a bunch of mouthbreathers in the internet. You have all the proof needed here >>101586184
Black CoA Haki was never used once before the time skip. Not once, no matter how powerful the person using it was. Even in instances where the person using it was incredibly powerful. Oda changing how Haki is represented for the benefit of the reader makes a lot more sense to me than just assuming that for some stupid reason not a single person in all of Marineford--not Whitebeard or the Admirals or Shanks or the WB division commanders or the Vice Admirals or Garp or ANY of the strongest people in the entire world--could or did use the supposedly stronger black CoA version of Haki.
I fucking love that gif.
Guys please stop wasting your logic on idiots. If they've read the same manga that we have from the beginning to now and they don't realize the two CoA applications, even after being shown evidence, then they're pretty fucking stupid. And arguing with stupid people is already loosing.
>evidence is right there
>hurrr it doesn't exist
It's pretty relateable too. That is exactly how I feel when I shit post.
Guys I hate to tell you this, but Oda changed how CoA haki looked after the timeskip.
Before it looked like pic related. Invisible.
But now it looks like vulcanized rubber.
Am I being trolled?
>subs with higher image quality than the background
5/10 you can do better.
You can already tell that Leo will fail to deliver the grape to Sugar, resulting in their plan being discovered and things will get messy, and after come 5-10 chapters will Sugar finally pass out
Now do you believe?
Bart isn't joining. If anything, Violet might join.
I think Luffy admires Rebecca's strength, blah blah blah, help rebuild kingdom. As they're leaving Violet is chased by Marines and Luffy tells her to board the ship.
It's because Oda decided that was the best way to show it's use. Until it is stated that Black Haki is some different form, every single person we've seen use it since the time skip has used it that way, it's regular haki. It doesn't matter what the anime says. The anime is fucking retarded a lot of times and changes canon and contradicts things all the time in filler.
I suspect a little bit of both was going through Oda's mind, he still doesn't show CoA on bladed weapons, but he does want to show when attacks are hardened with haki, whether or not they're aimed at df users.
As I recall the anime even made Rayleigh's explanation part shoot a fucking haki aura/laser, maybe he got the idea to make it visually distinct for hardening there.
Okay now that the armament haki mystery has been resolved, what about lightning bolts resulting from the clash between two people with conqueror's haki?
is that a thing?
I am now a believer.
Ok now we got some real proof
>not ufufu go fly a kite kid
Case in point. I'm not arguing with an idiot.
You made a good point. Can't help but agree.
It's senseless that Oda changed it, but still logical... kinda.
Oh god his explanation is so gratifying, especially with the amount of idiots in this argument.
With Pica being a stone-man and considering the fact that Kin'Emon makes clothes out of stones, I theorise that he will find his way back to the Pica fight and pull of some sick stunt. Probably turning the entire castle into a pair of panties.
Looked to me like Law barely overcame Vergo's defenses and it took everything he had to be able to do it.
>Both sides of argument asking the other if any of them ever read the manga
>Apparently none of them do
Now shut the fuck up please so we can talk about whether or not Rebecca's pussy hair is pink too.
This punch is so freaking underwhelming in the manga.
Glad we have the anime for that.
>Sado's face revealed
>now has a hole where his left eye used to be
The punch is well built up in the anime, but everything else, and I mean fucking everything is worse.
>armament haki mystery
It was never a mystery. How about, instead of goading answers out of other people like you did last time, you just look it up and report back with the answer.
Sado? I didn't know this was a Bleach thread.
Yes and in the anime only Whitebeard's stache gets taken off
Marineford is dogshit in the anime
This is now my favorite theory.
That face that Akainu is making always "cracks" me up. Gurararara
He obviously likes Michael Jackson.
Who re you even talking to? I'm not the guy you think I am.
Its not rocks, though it is unclear just how powerful his ability is.
Imagine if Garp got free from Sengoku and both Garp and Whitebeard attacked Akainu at teh same time. Shit would have gone down.
Akainu would have likely killed them both.
Why'd you make the text green? It'd almost be believable and you'd make people go check for themselves if you made the text black and not quite so trollish.
Well I also made these and apparently they were too subtle
Just report the samefag and move along.
So how did you guys feel about this week's cliffhanger before the break? It seemed a bit more lackluster than other hiatus cliffhangers. I don't know if I like it more or less because of it.
They should've made haki purple in the anime, since you couldn't tell in the manga
Why did you find it lackluster? Whether or not it works is a pretty big deal.
Man, Toei is going to fuck that middle panel with Doflamingo looking over the city up so bad.
That doesn't make any sense you moron.
I'm not sure really. It just seemed less "DO-DON!" than other ones. I do like that he didn't take the obvious route and end with Sabo's double page with Jesus.
because they were so accurate in their dragonball adaptation right? Gohan could totally hurt final form freeza.
I'd look like that without haki anyway.
>tfw extra melanin doesn't boost my defenses.
hello /a/, I come from a hopeful future where doujins of sugar with a toy strapon fucks robin on the sticky bed.
He might have been able to. He had some kind of secret and untapped power and briefly taped into to hurt one of Freeza's later forms.
It's not inconceivable to think that Gohan could actually hurt his final form in one of those short burst.
Rocks and leafs are the only items that have been used so far. As he isn't aware of devil fruits and simply calls it ninjitsu he might be able to transform a number of things
When you use regular armaments it creates invisible armor over your limbs. Increasing the power of that haki also increases the density of the armor, blocking out light and turning your limbs black.
No, stop, this conversation's over. That's something the anime pulled out of it's ass to explain the color change.
I don't even think the anime said that stupid shit. That was just fanfiction.
Well he has a vague understanding of them, who knows if he'll figure out or show more of its abilities.
well she's undoubtedly the weakest there. If they were all locked in a room and the rules were, last one standing alive wins, Rebecca would be dead. If not first, she would still die and probably quickly too. Then the next to go would probably be either Burgess or Diamante, I think Bart would hold out for a long time because the bari bari no mi is a REALLY REALLY good ability when you think about it. It's one thing to be a logia and able to dodge most attacks, but with a barrier you can block ALL attacks. With the right mind you could use this ability to the advantage of analyzing your opponents attacks, or placing bombs in front of your barriers and shoving them towards your opponent to cause massive damage.
Really the only problem with the bari bari is the same weakness as other DF powers, sea stone bullets would cut right through the barrier. I love this ability if you can't tell.
He can probably shapeshift himself and doesn't even know it. He's got the mythical kitsune zoan. It's in his name: Firefox Kinemon. Kitsune shapeshift by putting leaves on their heads (tanuki do the same thing). Some varieties of kitsune can create and manipulate fire.
It will be just a paper and it reads "One Piece is Real!"
I'm not sure how well Bart's ability would fair against sea stone bullets, since they need to actually touch the user to disable their power.
Bellamy seemed to have figured something out, when he managed to grab hold on him though. There's still a bit we don't know about his fruit.
Smoker couldn't be properly "cut" by Laws fruit, he's technically made of smoke. If Law had vastly superior haki, maybe? But it's hard to tell how haki and devil fruit powers mix. Clearly, they do, but still.
one piece is a work of fictino kid
yeah fucking right he made VA MAYNARD his bitch without even trying and saying that all VA and above possesses haki
I actually think that Barto has the highest defensive abilities of all of them and that Rebecca might actually have better offensive abilities than he does.
I mean, they both clearly way weaker than everyone else. They just have got lucky and have some gimmick defensive abilities and lucked their way into the finals.
Sabo seems to be far stronger than the others all around though. Possessing both superior speed and raw power.
Diamante's ability seems hard for me to judge since it's not as straight forward.
Rarely is the name given to a character on the grounds of a power that no one have seen. I think that if he had a Zoan fruit and knew about it he would have used it on Punk Hazard
it's a surprise attack, plus his barriers are invisible.
If you know his gimmick bart is defenseless
Plus he can only make one barrier at a time so only one side of him is guarded
He comes from a kingdom based on ancient Japan. People have seen his power to manipulate fire and his ability to transform things. That looks and sounds like a kitsune, so they named him firefox.
>You will never have a yandere (to everyone besides you) barrier man completely devoted to you and is pretty much a shy schoolgirl at heart
Barto is so fucking best girl it hurts
Anyone else hoping for Jesus to knock out Sabo and we get Bart vs Jesus?
>Jesus about to eat the Mera Mera since he thinks he won
>ALL OF SUDDEN A BARRIER KNOCKING THE MERA MERA IN THE AIR
>Bart promises to defend the Mera Mera with his life for Luffy and Sabo
He couldn't even touch Freeza in his final form, he was too fast.
And at that point, Gohan was completely out of ki, he gave it all to Piccolo.
Not to mention Goku had to go Kaioken x 20 and use ALL of his ki just to synge Freeza's hand. So no he couldn't.
The difference there is that they were the same "islanders" most of them had. Sanji had the chefs, nami had her village, and etc.
Them leaving their old home and friends is about them growing as people and all that stupid shit.
Barto has an actual pirate crew that has no reason not to just follow him throughout the New World.
I don't think so.
I think when we started to hear about rokushiki is the foundation for haki being introduced into the story, since if you think about it, some of the abilities of rokushiki masters are pretty much powered down versions of haki abilities. Tekkai, hardening your body to be like iron- pretty much armament haki, and jyabura proved you can move while using Tekkai at the same time, just like armament haki. Shigan seems like its own technique, but if you think about it its pretty much like concentrating all of someones "power" or if you could say "haki" or "will" into one part of your body for your attack, all into your finger. Lucci describes the attack when he fights with Luffy, and it does damage to him. People point out its because Luffy is a rubber man and Luccis shigan is razor sharp thanks to his claws, but Lucci actually uses AND hurts Luffy with his shigan long before he uses his zoan form. Unless Lucci doesn't trim his fingernails, he was actually using haki in his shigan strikes, which is why they were considered so powerful, and why they did damage to Luffy instead of him being able to brush them off, seeing as the dude can take BULLETS and laugh it off.
Also, it should be said that Conquering Kings Haki was introduced in the very beginning of the story. If you'll recall, Shanks used it to scare away the seaking that ate his arm, so it's not all completely bullshitted.
That might be! Is the translation actually Firefox? I've only read Foxfire
Then why didn't Lucci just kill him when he shigan'd his throat?
He is literally the only pirate of any renown I can think of who is a legit midget for pirate standards.
Everyone else is either a giant (Whitebeard, Doffy, etc), a weirdly shaped giant (Moriah, Kuma, etc), or just super fucking tall (admirals, most of the other warlords, etc).
Do you think Barto's shield could stand up against attacks from Whitebeard, Kizaru and Akainu's devil fruit abilities?
Whoops you're right; it's Foxfire. Same difference though. There's nothing about his appearance to suggest a fox. However his abilities DO suggest a kitsune. Why else would they name him Foxfire if not because they think his abilities remind them of a kitsune? It's perfectly reasonable that he wouldn't even know the extent of his powers.
It did tank against the King Punch like it was nothing
If you look at Moria and Croc, both of whom were ambitious big time rookies and were "baptized" in the New World, yet not only do they not know haki they act like it didn't exist.
I doubt Croc would've been so arrogant about being a logia if haki existed at that time
why didn't usopp just shoot it in her mouth?
>but Lucci actually uses AND hurts Luffy with his shigan long before he uses his zoan form.
Bullshit. Lucci only hurt Luffy when he stabbed him in the throat and crushed his windpipe for a second. If this had jack anything to do with Haki luffy would be fucking dead.
didn't violet ask sanji to take her with them when they leave, saying she has business elsewhere? i vaguely remember that
How would you aim without getting noticed?
If it's a paramecia I can understand it, but I don't think he would have a Zoan type and not know about it. I think the fruits "main" abilities becomes apparent to the user when he eats it, like when Kaku ate the giraffe one
Sanji asked violet to go with him, she said she has business elsewhere.
If you aren't sure, read it again yourself.
To their DF abilities? Maybe. To their haki abilities? Definitely not.
Maybe. But then again, it's also entirely possible that he DOES know about it and just isn't using it. We haven't really seen him get serious about any fighting yet. He's mostly just tagging along, supporting the Strawhats, and trying not to stand out. He didn't make clothes until it became absolutely necessary. He could be waiting until he actually has to fight for real before he busts out his mythical transformation. Clearly this is all just speculation but there's definitely a lot of hints that Kinemon has something to do with the kitsune yokai. It at least makes more sense to me than him having the clothes clothes fruit and being able to manipulate fire for some unrelated reason.
I assume black haki is like armour and more advanced than clear because Vergo blocked Tashigi's sword with it while clear is just for hitting logias
Speculation is what makes these threads great! The fire cutting never struck me as odd when it comes to swordsmanship, seeing as Zoro was able to cut through stone in the Arabasta arc. It may just require some special mindset or training. Maybe by some legendary samurai in Wano?
I want to see a badly beaten up Bart with tears in his eyes feeling frustrated and hopeless only to look up towards the big, bulking, huge Burgess and struggle onto his feet and refuse to give up the fruit to anyone but Luffy or Sabo. Barto then makes a barrier so strong Burgess can't punch through it and pushes him off the arena and into the water.
Bart is so fucking cool. I hope we see more of him coming up. It also seems like he isn't that scared of Burgess, and he mopped the floor up with a vice admiral- not too shabby considering vice admirals used to give Luffy a lot of trouble, and for a while most people considered Luffy to only be at vice admiral tier, if not slightly above vice admiral and below admiral tier in strength right now.
Marine tiers are the only fair way to judge a persons strength, since bounties are gimmicky as fuck and highly situational. When you hear a god damn marine admiral is coming, pirates shit their pants. When you hear a dude with a bounty of 400 million is coming, it's just Luffy and he's here to hang out and eat. The horror.
Law, Shanks and Mihawk seems to be of normal size.
It'll be like Tupac still releasing albums decades after being dead
how will the dwarf drop the grape without getting noticed?
At least Usopp can just shoot in her mouth while she's talking.
Let me put it to you like this about why you are wrong about Gohan being able to hurt Freeza.
If I'm not mistaken, Freeza at his final, highest "100%" power level was 120 million when he fought SS1 goku, who was I believe 150 million and in the manga, once goku went SS he destroyed freeza without a contest, in the anime it was stretched on and on for that whole retarded "5 minutes till the planet blows up" meme.
120 million at his final form at maximum power. Gohan burst into all of his strength and energy to repel ONE of freezas attacks, and it pretty much wiped Gohan out. This, by the way, wasn't even Freezas final form. This was his second to last one, the one that looks completely fucking whacky, not the midget, not the devil, but the one that looks like a predator from AvP.
Freeza tells Goku during their fight he can use something like 50% of his max strength and win without breaking a sweat. Goku calls him on what he thinks is a bluff and gets his ass destroyed. Gohan was nowhere near Goku at this point, or at any point in time. The attack Gohan blocked would be one of the attacks Goku could have full on taken without blinking, if not just smacked aside. Sorry, but Gohan sucked on Namek. Worthless.
Eustass, Bonney, and Capone are all about Luffy's height... as was Ace.
Yes it does you fucking retard.
Why the hell would ADHD "kick in" after reading 200 chapters of a manga?
That doesn't make sense. That's retarded.
he had some haki, but clearly not enough to do enough damage to kill Luffy. Luffy is tough too. That's why Franky almost got killed by Lucci instantly and Luffy could actually fight him on equal ground.
This is not the place for that.
It wasn't in pre-timeskip because (hardening) wasn't thought of yet. Everything isn't in placr like you Oda nutsuckers think. He had a general idea and then expanded on it.
>imagine Lucci with haki
Do you think Mihawk use armament haki?
Do you think Shanks uses it?
Do you think Mihawk can defeat Shanks since they're both swordfighters and Mihawk is apparently the world's best swordfighter?
Are you niggas seriously about to get in an argument about the logistics of a snide remark? Shut the fuck up and talk about one piece related shit or gtfo.
haki was named and an idea and Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were trained in it when Caribou came around. Have you seen how cocky HE was?
Pekoms even says it himself when he knocks out Caribou. All logia users are over confident. Akainu CLEARLY knows about haki, yet he brags about his magma devil fruit powers and how as a logia, he is indestructible. It's hard not to feel that way when your body is basically intangible.
Or his a better reason: It wasn't thought of yet and is just a little plot hole that Oda doesn't care about.
>shows picture to prove me wrong
>complete opposite of everything you just posted
You're a fucking retard . If you look at the picture you kindly posted for me, Lucci is both not even stabbing Luffy in the throat and simultaneously hurting him, when you claimed Lucci only hurt Luffy because he crushed his windpipe for a second, which is also retarded. Please stop posting anytime
It's the moment you couldn't stop it anymore.
>get annoyed by pirates calling grand line paradise to hype new world
>start reading a random chapter from east blue
>realize it's actually old as fuck
why did I ever doubt oda
Who the fuck is the shadowed person in the panel next to Hack?
About this time?
Shank is also a fistfighter
Such a beautiful scan. An Oda has been amazingly consistent after 15 years of publication.
thanks a lot mom for telling me what i can and can't talk about! :-)
Mihawk lost interest in challenging Shanks as a sword fighter when Shanks lost his arm so I assume if it were strictly a sword duel, Mihawk has the edge.
However, he obviously does still acknowledge Shanks as a strong fighter by his reaction at Marineford. It's not clear who would win in a fight between them at this point.
>BB crew still wearing clothes from 2 years ago
>no upgraded beard
>getting way ahead of themselves with admiral fights, when 3rd wasnt even introduced
>Robin is ultraslut
This is the worst opening.
Who said that tashigi had imbued it with haki then?
Fuck you. You're a fucking nerd.
shouldn't "it begins" be after "it's too late"?
This is a thread about one piece, not dragonball power levels. You should stay on topic.
It is very clear who would win in a fight.
Shanks. And as far as strength mihawk maybe known as the better swordsman but shanks is probably stronger, faster, and definitely an overall better fighter. Also you have to factor in that Mihawk has the best sword in the world. whereas Shanks has a common sabre
it's relevant, we're talking about how any anime adaptation from Toei shouldn't be trusted.
>a paragraph of text
just because retards fall for them doesnt make them subtle
>Pirate Warriors 2
>Play as Law
>"Someday I will steal the throne that is rightfully mine"
PW2 predicted Corasan
Until we now more about the rivalry that Shanks had with Mihawk in the past, I'm reserving my judgement. They wouldn't have been rivals if Shanks' strength overshadowed Mihawks abilities that much. Frankly we still don't really know what either of them can do in a serious fight, like the ones they were said to have had.
What do you mean? I meant she swung her sword at Vergo and he used armament haki to block it
He leave the ending in that place.
Is it just me or are those grapes REALLY big?
>mfw I realize Zeff went to the new word
>yfw when you realize Zeff is a badass
>not already knowing Zeff's capacity for badassery
What a coincidence, you're mom said that to me last night.
>Akainu's face when 1000+ pirates suddenly come back to existence
So your testicles are as big as grapes?
If that's the case I've got sum bad newz
Can't wait until everyone goes apeshit on trollflamingo and his merry band of miscreants
Law says that in pirate warriors 2.
PW2 predicted corasan
>but shanks is probably stronger, faster, and definitely an overall better fighter
Not much of a rivalry if Shanks is better at everything even without his arm
that rivalry could have existed before shanks was considered a yonkou also the difference in all of those categories could be minor yet a rivalry could exist.
the grapes might seem big, but have you considered sugar might just be really small? like, REALLY small? And no, I'm actually not being sarcastic here
If the rivalry existed "back then" then it wouldn't be mentioned at all anymore and Mihawk certainly wouldn't be considered the best swordsman if Shanks is better than him.
Proportionately she doesn't seem any smaller than any other child in dressrosa. They're all about the same height as the toy she made Cavendish into.
Nice photoshop skills you have there.
What if she's a small kyojin child?
SBS is mostly kids, so.......
Remind me, why does Soldier appear to still have his memories after being turned into a toy?
>implying sea forest fight was remotely legit considering Luffy didn't even use Haki
People lose memories of him, not the other way around
Doflamingo is next nakama
Right, by why can he move around freely
[Spoiler]I don't wanna seem like one of those retards who too stupid to read the actual dialogue, I just have a bad memory with details ;_; [/spoiler:lit]
Almost all the toys can move freely
When he became a toy they forgot he was king, so he was given a normal toy's deal for the time being, since he can harm humans unlike the other ones
Shit, sugar eats grapes instead of candy? Is this true or just a translation error?
The toy soldier can hurt humans and clearly doesn't have to listen to what the Dofla family says. It's my thoughts that the contract was interrupted or something like it. We've also seen toys "malfunction" and break free of their orders, but the people they knew still don't remember them and then they get thrown in the scrap heap.
It said grapes in all 3 translations, Power, Stream, and panda.
It's a contract, and contracts usually go two ways. If they either fulfill it or someone on the other end breaks it then they aren't bound.
Multiple Jet Dials would be very possible given how strong a single Jet Dial was blowing a hole in the giant jack.
He's also way beefier than Wiper and most likely a lot more resilient.
It's entirely possible the man doesn't even know armament Haki and simply uses the jet dials to make up for it.
He will then lose once his dials get smashed, showing us how he's just a poser.
Blackbeard will boot him from the group, because he wasn't 'destined' to go any further with him than that.
Also explains why Burgess needs the Mera Mera, because he sucks.
I don't see anything that Sugar or the Doflamingo family has to do in return that would break the contract. Sugar just tells them what they fuck they have to do and then they do it. There's no conditions or anything.
When will Luffy's ability to communicate with seakings come into the story?
>some woman fucking her new husband remembers she's married
the shit storm around the world
Did you miss the part where Sanji was kicking laser beams out of his feet? on FIshman and against Doflamingo.
>starts crying mid-fight thinking about how much of a useless piece of shit he is
Burgess for next nakama
As I already mentioned mihawk maybe a better swordsman, but he isn't a better fighter. And in every context that it was mentioned the rivalry existed well before the main storyline began, in the present time no one has referred to mihawk and shanks as rivalry
Think about what a contract is; it's something that needs to be agreed upon in some sense, or there's usually some kickback involved. A contract that is almighty and absolute with nothing but a touch hardly exists in any fiction, because a contract needs to be two ways in at least some sense of the word. Otherwise it isn't a contract, rather it's more an absolute order or authority. It's about the term contract itself, but there's a reason why these things are labeled as such, and there's no such thing as such an all powerful DF ability without a single drawback.
H-He's one of us!
Would Cavendish still have narcolepsy as a toy?
fuckin hope so. Maybe it'll temporarely break the curse
>I do think she is the weakest there besides probably Barto, even though his DF is godly.
If would be funny if he's stupidly strong in person and uses his barriers to keep people from fleeing.
I want normalfags to leave
No one needs you to tell them what a contract is. Besides, you can be forced into making a "contract" with someone, and plenty of contracts out there more or less fuck one party completely over. You're making assumptions about how her power works that haven't been shown just because the word "contract" was used instead of orders or something similar. The fact still remains that the demands Sugar makes to the toys are one-sided and unconditional.
The "drawback" seem to be that she's 9 years old forever. Plus the whole thing where she can drown and die in a bathtub. Some people are also wondering whether or not she can ever sleep either.
"This toy keeps falling asleep on the job. Into the scrapheap he goes."
Mihawk is as tall as a basketball center.
So does this mean Blackbeard got a new crewmember or does Stronger count too?
>stronger ate a human fruit
Probably a new character, maybe Sanji's opponent.
Mihawk is 6ft 3in
Hancock 6ft 2in (with heels)
Luffy 5ft 8in
it is just that oda likes making top tier bad guys and fighters freakishly tall ie Admirals
I can't imagine he hasn't found another crew member in the last two years.
It's going to be sweet.
I'm having some trouble though, I'm pretty sure Sabo is going to wreck Burgess' shit hard, and I really want the Blackbeard pirates to be final boss levels of strong.
>Blackbeard has ten crew members
>Luffy wants ten crew members
I don't know why you think that, Mihawk is 6'6"
Completely undressing somebody without being noticed is one thing, but dropping a "grape", now that's impossible.
>Barto vs Hancock
I completely forgot about that
Why do all these swordsman fags always assume that technique is the sole requirement of criteria for being a swordsman?
Oh shit nigguh, you beat me because your arm strength is greater than mine, thus rendering my technique useless, but that doesn't mean you're the better swordsman!
It's like some kind of declaration to /a/ that you haven't exercised in 20 years or something.
Ask any athlete in real life. Your techniques are worthless if your foundation is weak. That means strength, speed, agility, etc.
If Mihawk is considered the world's greatest swordsman and can be beaten in a sword fight just through superior Haki, then he's just a circus act.
Only Luffy could touch his heart
In fact he'd probably hate Hancock for trying to steal Luffy away from him
That depends on whether or not Hancock's haki can break barriers or if her petrification can affect barriers.
As far as we have been shown, Barto seems to rely on his barriers, so Hancock wins straight up once DF fruits are out of the way until further developments tell otherwise.
I think you have to count Blackbeard himself too:
1)Blackbeard (vs. Luffy)
2)Von Augur (vs. Usopp)
6)Shiryu (vs. Zoro)
Hancock is that tall without heels. Taller, actually. She's 6'3¼", and that's without the heels. Who the fuck gives people's heights with their shoes included?
Also, Mihawk is 6'6"
Barto figure when
Hancock doesn't need to affect your heart to apply her moves.
Her petrification works on inanimate objects, and non-emotional creatures such as the pacifista.
Even her pistol kiss affected Luffy while her Mero Mero didn't. In fact just one shot was enough to render Luffy weakened for capture during Amazon Lily.
Ironically out of all of Hancock's moves, her Mero Mero has the longest cast time and has the biggest draw backs. Every other application of her petrification is god-tier. All it has is the biggest coverage because her slave arrows/pistol kisses can be dodged.
DF fruit wise, it's potentially god tier IF it can stop logia.
>Blackbeard is the one of the 10 captains who back Blackbeard up
Threadly reminder Yorkie is admiral Kizaru
Yeah that's true.
I'm curious how Oda will delineate Bart's powers, for instance, could his barriers block Hancock's attacks?
He won't die. He sold his soul so he can finish the manga no matter how long it takes.
It probably can stop logia, it just won't work on Akainu because his waifu is JUSTICE and he doesn't have time for human women.
Well he HAS a "special body".
That's just a nice way to say he's fat
I strongly think the guy who met Crocus is Shiki.
I didn't care about Laboon, I didn't care about Rumbar Pirates and I sure as hell don't care about Brook. He was a disappointment. So is his crew. Stop expecting their captain to show up in the New World as an Admiral.
I strongly believe Luffy will build up a huge army scattered around the world like the other yonkous have. Bart would be perfect to lead such a sub-division of the strawhats. (as would be handsome of the flying fish riders for example)
I really want Bart to become their Cabin boy
>Caven D. Ish is the one with all the conditioning from sugar
>Hakuba has not
sabo seems strong as fuck...also was aokiji hinted at joining the blackbeard pirates a while back?
Not like Jinbei even fought him for real either. Jinbei is close to admiral tier while fighting on land. Under water he is twice as powerful. I doubt anyone can even fight him on par under water.
Sounded more like just working together for some reason.
Oda lies on his death bed, surrounded by family. But outside the open windows, there is a huge crowd of fans crying for him. WIth his last breath he yells... "You want the ending!? Search for it! I left it all at THAT PLACE!"
>I didn't care about Laboon, I didn't care about Rumbar Pirates and I sure as hell don't care about Brook. He was a disappointment. So is his crew. Stop expecting their captain to show up in the New World as an Admiral.
I think it was Kizaru
In any case, Rumbar Pirates were average.
I just think Barto should join the crew so we get the eventual Hancock/Luffy reunion during the final arc where everyone gathers and Barto starts interfering. You just know shit like this would be golden with Oda writing it.
But her slave arrow/pistol kiss/kicks do not depend on affecting your via lust in any sort of way.
It makes more sense tha Akainu simply shrugs it off via haki because that's the universal answer to everything. As far as we know, Boa still hasn't mastered CoC and she doesn't seem the type to train at all, everything about her is pure natural talent (which seems ridiculously high given how even Jinbei is scared shitless of her).
It's way too fucked up if he is the sole faggot who can get away with it just because of JUSTICE and not need to apply haki.
>tfw Hancock unveils she actually trained seriously under Rayleigh after Luffy left so she can be worthy of becoming his waifu
What would happen? She's by far the laziest bitch since Enel, if not more so.
whoa...i hadn't thought of this
I personally want to see Barto protecting Luffy from Sanji and Nami beating him up on the ship.
I'm not saying Jinbei did either, but so far his most powerful moves stem from being in the water.
If it were on land, I have to lean on Luffy winning. Despite the unmatched versatility of Jinbei's attacks, he doesn't have haki (because fishman karate pretty much does the same thing), and I don't see him getting vastly stronger from 2 years ago.
The guy literally sat around in a forest for 2 years and maybe did a job or two for Big Mom. He can't have gained much, just like Hancock. Well okay, at least he would still train by himself, but there's only so much you can improve without someone to coach/mentor/spot for you.
Greatest Ending Ever. The New Age of Japan has arrived.
He'd get his ass kicked more than Luffy.
Ladies and gentleman, do we have a new scape goat or what?
reminder we have no chapter next week.
we don't need fucking generals again.
This is the thing. Jinbei was equal to Ace before Ace's death. And fought him to a standstill or what 5 days or a week or something?
So, if you think Luffy can beat him then you probably also think that Luffy is already stronger than what Ace was.
Sure, Ace may have lost to Blackbeard and was killed by Akainu, while protecting luffy, but you have to remember. He also fought Aokiji on par and was really powerful.
You were the one that started with throwing opinions around like facts.
I bet you do.
Its been 2 years since Ace died, if Luffy has passed where he was hes in big trouble.
I implied I didn't like Rumbar Pirates. That's a fact?
So are we gonna stop calling Kuzan Aokiji now that he's out of the marines?
power levels are kind of irrelevant though, the battle between Ace and Jinbei wasn't really a fight, it was a contest of will. If it had been an actual fight Jinbei should have been able to trounce him with fishman karate.
You were implying that because you don't like them that people shouldn't expect them to appear again.
>which seems ridiculously high given how even Jinbei is scared shitless of her
It seemed like that was more for comedic effect than anything, like Nami being able to leaves bruises on Luffy when she hits him.
I think they are average. That's an opinion. And thus, I think waiting for their captain to appear is pointless.
It's not like I hate you for it. Hell, I'd smile if he turns out to be the new admiral.
But he isn't. Neither is Enel, Gin, Don Krieg or Arlong.
What I do want you to do is, stop with the shitty reminder posts. We all remember your stupid "theories".
>not putting Doc Q vs. Chopper
>not putting Lafitte vs. Brook
>"but there's only so much you can improve without someone to coach/mentor/spot for you."
That statement right there? That's bullshit. Are you implying that once you reach a level of skill where you have no need for a coach that you'll then proceed to get gradually weaker?
I haven't even once said "reminder" this thread. I'm just saying that whether you like them or not doesn't make a difference in if they will appear.
>implying Lafitte won't be fighting Ussop'n.
>I sure as hell don't care about Brook.
Them's fighting words.
I want Ussop to fight Sanjuan wolf
And that's most likely the case. Luffy has massive ambition and is going to be the captain. He's also trained by Rayleigh.
Jinbei's biggest ambition would simply be to help his people secure a future above water, which is easily done just by being around Luffy just like Sanji/Nami/Brooke.
He also has no one to mentor him, and he doesn't have the luxury to run around making trouble and getting into real fights. How's he gonna get any stronger beyond refining his existing moves/making new ones?
All shonen logic points to him being surpassed by Luffy and Zoro.
True, but she's still one of the 3 Shichibukai that couldn't be touched at Marineford, and is the only one who kept to her tiny area in the sea.
At most, the granny taught her a few moves here and there, but given her personality it's very likely she picks on people weaker than her and that's it. She's a genuine bully that doesn't like men, what are the chances she actively chooses to run around picking fights with them beyond pirating for cargo?
Every other Shichibukai has a lot of weight behind their lives even if they don't fulfill them or make progress steadily. She's the only one who's entire life's plan was "do nothing, enjoy the perks, go fuck with some weaklings and steal their shit".
She's actually the most basic pirate out of all 7.
There's no such thing as a level of skill where you have no need for a coach. You may not need that specific coach because that person has nothing left to teach you and is not at the level to keep up with your current growth's training, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't benefit from a higher level coach.
Given her backstory as a slave, her hax powers (which is devastating for like 90% of the characters in One Piece), and the fact that her Shichibukai status mostly political, I'd say this all makes sense.
Boa's actions are all fueled by her being a slave. She doesn't take risks because she doesn't want to be in that position ever again. She picks on people weaker because losing a fight means having the Shichibukai title stripped from her, opening the amazons up to attack.
She desperately wants to get back at the Celestial Dragons but doesn't see any way to beat them other than to exploit the system as much as possible
Where the fuck is Moria here?
Who the fuck said that technique is the only thing involving sword play. And if you honestly think that Mihawk is stronger than or equal to Shanks in total combat ability you need to get the fuck off the internet because you are too retarded to contribute to anything meaningful
You look pretty retarded making statements like this. You have no idea of either Mihawks or Shanks combat ability since no one has seen either of them in a real fight yet.
That is just some made up rule you're hyper-imposing on the manga.
You're saying that a fighter of Jimbe's renown, training by himself (like all fighters of that level do), is somehow a handicap. To further prove my point, look at Mihawk (who is also a Shichibukai). Does he need a coach? No. He's still the greatest swordsman in the world.
Once you learn the basics of any skill. It's up to you to train yourself. Rayleigh was explicit about this.
People who debate like that make themselves lose all credibility. Grow up.
I'm not asking for justification. My point is simply that Boa unlike the rest has zero ambition yet possesses CoC. She's an exception among exceptions.
Which is why I think she has natural talent. Wasted natural talent mind you, but natural talent none the less.
Rayleight didn't even really train luffy. He just taught him about Haki and let Luffy develop it on his own.
Not like Rayleigh was teaching him other shit. Or special moves or anything.
Patting Kuma's head, obviously.
Yeah, I understood your point. There was nothing else I could add to it but to say I understand why she's like that.
So what else is Shanks better than Mihawk in that allows him to be stronger than the latter without resorting to sword play?
Because sword play involves anything that enhances your ability to use a sword. Which automatically means how well you can use haki also contributes to your sword play.
Bringing up strength and speed was to make dumb shits like you understand that haki is just another variable in sword play. There is no fucking rule that says you can't use haki in a swordsman duel, just like how there's no rule that you aren't allowed to use a better sword than your opponent.
But hey keep deluding yourself.
>Rayleight didn't even really train luffy
>He just taught him about Hak
You can't say Rayleigh didn't train Luffy and then give an example of Rayleigh training Luffy.
>Not like Rayleigh was teaching him other shit.
Before Luffy trained with him, he didn't know how to use CoO or CoA, and he didn't know how to precisely control CoC. That's the definition of teaching Luffy other shit.
You can address any of the other stuff you ignored in my first post whenever you get ready.
>implying how real life works is a made up rule
>implying teaching the basics of something completely new and previous unknown to said person is not ground breaking
Could Luffy have mastered Haki by himself without even knowing what it is and how it works? No.
Can Mihawk continue to improve and evolve at the rate he was leveling up when he constantly had Shanks to fight with? No, otherwise he could shit on Whitebeard with a sneeze by Marineford.
Can Jinbei have greatly benefited from learning Haki or Rokushiki in addition to Fishman Karate? Obviously.
It's sad that there's people who actually are so creatively bankrupt they think a kids manga is absolutely perfect through their own interpretation of it.
You sound stupid. I don't argue with stupid people.
That was my first post to you I think.
I don't think Rayleight taught Luffy much about combat or anything besides Haki. Luffy's combat increases came from just learning haki and getting stronger by fighting the wild animals.
Nigger Law said that he would steal a throne/position (translation varying) before the timeskip, that's where PW2 got the damn line.
The post you replied to was to refute the claim that Jimbe somehow got weaker because he was training by himself and not with a coach, and how stupid it is that someone of the level would need a coach as opposed to just training by themselves.
We don't know what Luffy training specifically was so there is no use speculating about it.
It's heavily implied that Rayleigh wasn't even on the island with him most of the time and that he only showed him about Haki and how to use the basics of it.
>Oh hey, completely legitimate points that I can't refute in any way
>Time to shitpost like a nigger
Outright stated, in fact.
It's not heavily implied he wasn't with him most of the time, it's blatantly stated he spent 1 year and 6 months training him, then left him to train on his own for 6 months. All that other shit is conjecture.
Where does it say that he spent that much time on the island with him? Because I honestly don't remember him every saying he spent a year and a half with him. Or taught him anything other than the basics of haki.
If you can show me that I'm wrong about that then I'll agree that what you're saying is likely to be correct and that I'm wrong.
He's not talking about "The Heart Seat" dumbass. He doesn't want to work with Doflamingo.
He's referring to something else.
Hint: It's two posts above your post.
Not exactly. That only says he hasn't seen him for 6 months. Nothing more and nothing less.
You're asking me to prove your statement wrong. I'm not an errand boy, prove your own statement right.
The only knowledge of Rayleigh's time training Luffy is >>101599304.
YOUR claim is that for most of the duration of the 1 year and 6 months he was training Luffy, Rayleigh was NOT with him. Nothing supports that, it's something you assume. I'm not gonna waste time proving or disproving your assumption. That's your job.
>people think that Cora worked for Doflamingo
>implying it wasn't the other way around and Doflamingo didn't backstab Cora
I seriously doubt Law would respect anyone who worked under Doflamingo. And I'm sure Doflamingo would remember killing one of his top crew member thirteen years ago.
I'm guessing that Cora was Law's hero or something and that Cora was the one to come up with the card naming with himself as the Heart and Doflamingo as Joker for obvious reasons.