Name a single piece of fiction concerning time travel that's better than Steins; Gate.
Back to the Future
My favorite movie series.
What he said... also Donny Darko even Dr Who
You never read books, do you, OP?
Murasakiiro no Qualia
Are we talking only anime? The Girl Who Leapt Through Time.
There wasn't any time travel in either.
FTL travel is time travel retard give science a try.
Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy.
Does quantum Rei make Eva time travel?
Are you kidding me? As a time travel story it was ass.
Final Fantasy XIII-2.
Before dozens of people who haven't played it lunge at the statement, it was a lot better than XIII.
Nigga u wat
>As a time travel story it was ass
>As a travel story it was ass
>As a story it was ass
>it was ass
All fiction since everything has moving time in it.
The End of Eternity.
And how is Steins Gate the best? That overrated shit isn't even close to Doctor Who, let alone Star Trek. Get real scrub
The Steins;Gate visual novel.
>That overrated shit isn't even close to Doctor Who, let alone Star Trek
Both of which are also shit.
Coool story troll, both are clearly superior to a lot of anime in general.
Rei gets quantum physics powers once she joins with Adam and Lilith and can be anywhere or when.
This shit is elementary Eva.
The Time Machine
Can someone make transparencies of these?
The Flying House.
Are we judging the show's only on their concept of time travel, or are we judging shows that have time travel as a central plot device? Regardless, it was better.
Prince of persia sands of time
>mfw anime only
>mistakes into miracles.jpg
do timeskips count as time travel
Being a less smelly pile of shit isn't much of a step up from a smelly pile of shit.
The Future Diary was way better than Steins;Gate.
But hey that's just my onion so please respect it.
>Regardless, it was better.
Some random guy randomly talks out of his ass about some dystopian future ooh soo goooood. Get out.
ITT OP gets blown the fuck out
Wasn't even the best in its year.
>i'd onyl agree wtih your statement if you are talking about recent doctor who and all post-next generation star trek.
if not, you can go fuck a rake dear sir
It was a lot better, though. It took everything good from XIII (which is pretty much just the combat engine), made it even better, and ripped out everything bad with a vengeance.
>Anime only shitters thinking they know shit about S;G without even having played the VN
Not even fucking close. I'm not OP but holy shit was Mirai Nikki terrible
>Steins;Gate time travel
Even Timecop is better than it
Oh yeah, recent Dr Who is just awful. Really god awful. Like the last 2-3 seasons were just painfully bad.
The Prophet module series for NWN. Pretty much the only "time-travelling" story that actually makes sense and has no paradoxon in it.
/lit/ pls gib sci-fi recommendations
short and sweet like Fahrenheit 451 preferred
This is too easy. Steins;Gate is good but not that good, and its time travel mechanics are stupid.
The Time Machine
I'm talking about all of it. It is bottom of the barrel low brow television without much in terms of redeeming it.
The Magic Treehouse series
Deep Space 9 at its best is loads better than the worst TNG.
And early NuWho was better than most of JNT's rubbish.
All of them pretty much.
S;G isn't even a real time travel fiction, just a waifusimulator.
>It took everything good from XIII (which is pretty much just the combat engine)
The characters were the best part of XIII, aside from Hope.
>made it even better
Because playing as Serah was something everyone wanted to do, right? I'm also offended that the male lead seems to be just a copy of Fang's early character design before they decided to make Fang female (which is part of why she seems so lesbian)
>ripped out everything bad with a vengeance
So why does Hope still exist? Why aren't Sazh and Snow playable characters? Why have the tiny bits and pieces of XIII-2 that I've seen not included Fang or even Vanille at all?
Holy fuck, man. Really?
Donny darko was meh, it was basically "4deepity67ubeebee".
Dr.Who hardly deals with time travel, most of it is just an excuse to give the writers the ability to write what ever kind of story they want. More over they use "fixed time points" as a way to skirt around time paradoxes and "fly the ring to mordor" type questions.
Frequently Asked Questions About Time Travel
My jimmies shall never be rustled, criminal scum.
But he's a gay
All You Need is Kill
ITT /v/ and /lit/ fags in broad daylight
Don't be that guy. When someone says Time Travel, they obviously mean non-linear time travel.
Madoka is about time travel as much as Henneko is about time travel
>The characters were the best part of XIII, aside from Hope.
I'll give you Sazh, but none of the others. And Hope himself was given way better development in XIII-2, at that.
>Because playing as Serah was something everyone wanted to do, right? I'm also offended that the male lead seems to be just a copy of Fang's early character design before they decided to make Fang female (which is part of why she seems so lesbian)
That's its quality as a sequel to the previous story rather than its own merits as a piece of fiction.
>So why does Hope still exist? Why aren't Sazh and Snow playable characters? Why have the tiny bits and pieces of XIII-2 that I've seen not included Fang or even Vanille at all?
Sazh is a recruitable "monster" if you bought his DLC. Snow is a guest party member, he is caught up in his own plot so he can't join permanently.
Because Fang and Vanille get locked into a goddamn crystal pillar at the end of FFXIII. They show up for one major scene in XIII-2 anyway.
>the "noir prophet" of the cyberpunk subgenre
lol no thx im not afag
He also asked for something better than steins gate though.
>"fly the ring to mordor" type questions
This made a lot more sense in the early stories when he couldn't fly the TARDIS for shit.
My opinion is that you're a piece of shit faggot so please respect it.
A christmas carol
Hey man they were awesome when I was a kid
Holy shit fuck off back to your boards
This is /a/ the Anime and Manga board
that movie was complete shit
S;G is pseudoscience babble nonsense.
People only watch it for waifus
You just blew my mind.
The Forever War for Gunbuster style time dilatation.
Correct-o-mundo. It tried to obscure what it was talking about to make the film appear to have more depth than it did. Not that it wasn't a good film, but it didn't explore the consequences of time travel as well as Steins;Gate.
At least it hadn't the fuck annoying harem S;G had and a somehow coherent plot.
Are you talking about Lost as in island Lost? Fuck off, m8. Go Jacob urself faggot
Y'know he is pretty much the most important figure in the genre right?
>short and sweet
I'm not sure about that
Terminator, all of them.
I don't know shit, I'm just amused that that was the description I get of him from google.
/a/ - Anime & Time Travel
I know, right? S;G was fucking retarded.
Okay so it turns out not to actually be truly "time travel" but I'm still saying Higurashi no Naku Koro ni anyway.
WHAT THE FUCK ANON? LOOPER? Generic shit with the typical time travel paradox ending.
At least S;G tried something when Okarin changed the past but did not change what his past self saw/thought/did. That was the high point of S;G's time travel plot. And it was fucking cool.
I'm pretty sure Henneko is more about time-travel than meguca is.
i'm just mad as fuck about the whole psychic shit
I think it counts, just about.
You get similarly flashy and inane descriptions for all the similarly important authors
>lol found a time machine let's abuse the fuck out of it even though the number one rule of time travel fiction is abusing it is a BAD FUCKING IDEA
>oops fucked everything up
>let's use time travel to fix it
>go on dates with the harem members
>woohoo we fixed it happy ending for everyone
>oh shit we need more jewbux
>let's make a movie about punishing a character who didn't do anything wrong unlike the retard okabe who totally deserved it
>oops we were too busy with fanservice we forgot the plot let's just solve it by breaking every single universal rule established in the VN
This guy gets it.
Why is she such a slut?
>Not liking Snow or Lightning or Fang or Vanille
Fuck you. Lightning was an all right character, though the incredible focus she gets as some kind of particularly important character is making me like her less. Snow's simply brilliant and I don't think I could ever see enough of him. Fang's the best character in the series apart from maybe Dysley (holy shit he's such a good villain; you play into his hands and do exactly as he wants the entire time), and Vanille's pretty amazing too aside from how she's having sex every time she opens her mouth.
>Because Fang and Vanille get locked into a goddamn crystal pillar at the end of FFXIII. They show up for one major scene in XIII-2 anyway.
Could you spoil this for me? I got really sick and tired of the fucking idiots who think that Fang and Vanille somehow died at the end of XIII, even though they were simply turned to crystal and literally every other character in the game who gets turned to crystal turns back by the end. I honestly have no idea what happens to them after they form the crystal pillar, though.
So the movie is pretty bad?
Well, I can't say I'm surprised, considering Robotics;Notes.
The spoiler is Final Fantasy had shit-tier writing all along.
Actual, Donny Darko wasn't '4deepity67ubeebee'. It was legitimately a deep movie. The creators had a solid understanding of what they were talking about, and didn't leave any plotholes or 'hurr' moments. It may have had too much of a dark/edgy tone for your liking, but it was a quality film.
>It tried to obscure what it was talking about to make the film appear to have more depth than it did.
No, were you not able to follow the movie? I have absolutely no idea what you could be referring to. Are you saying there wasn't a character there to explain ever little detail so that the children could follow along with the plot?
While the anime discusses time travel, it's more like different alternative world/universes (kakera) with slight changes.
It's pretty much time travel but where you get into a world that changed already without you having to worry about the butterfly effect as it is already established.
And I agree, better than S;G.
A lot of parallel can be found with S;G and Higurashi.
Both have happy fun time, shit happen, impossible to overcome X, have to go back in time and stop Y which causes X from happening. Though S;G was more clever by using a double time travel device to make it happen at the end, I always found that genius.
Don't talk shit about my waifu.
And it's just a fantasy, never happened.
Though she's the number one pervert of the village in a village full of weird perverts, so whatever.
>punishing a character who didn't do anything wrong
What? Okabe was having all kind of nightmarish flashbacks to the alternate timelines. He was suffering pretty badly. No one else really 'suffered' aside from people having to deal with the fact that he was gone.
I will say that what ends up being the real problem in the movie AND the way that it's resolved is so fucking Goddamn stupid holy shit. "You need to give him strong memories in this timeline so he remembers it as the real one." "Okay I'll go back in time to before the timelines even diverged from the D-mails and such and kiss him, which means that he'll have that memory in all the divergent timelines, but that'll somehow magically fix the problem!"
I'm pretty fucking familiar with the plot of XIII-2 and holy shit are you fucking retarded. Just go fucking kill yourself. The fact that you would even imply that it's a good plot in any way, expecially regarding it's use of time travel means that you are something less than human.
Snow was a complete asshole. His role in the plot was to be an asshole. The best scene he has is when he realizes what an asshole he is. He almost completely stops being relevant after that point.
Fang has very little role in XIII's story and I didn't develop much appreciation for her due to that. She just seemed to exist.
>Could you spoil this for me? I got really sick and tired of the fucking idiots who think that Fang and Vanille somehow died at the end of XIII, even though they were simply turned to crystal and literally every other character in the game who gets turned to crystal turns back by the end. I honestly have no idea what happens to them after they form the crystal pillar, though.
They lock themselves into the crystal tower because if they were to leave, it would crumble and Cocoon would continue its fall, killing everyone in it and causing an extinction event on Pulse. They remain alive in it, and Hope spends 9/10ths of XIII-2's story finding a way to save them (almost works, but interference prevents it from succeeding).
Their scene in XIII-2 is showing up in the Void Beyond, to contact Serah, who is lost in a world of chaos. It's more of an astral projection type thing than them actually being there, because there is no "there" to be in the Void Beyond.
It's a very brief scene but it's a climactic part of XIII-2.
The only good thing about it is Chris fanservice and the eventual young okabe x Chris doujins
I love that movie to bits but the time travel was handled pretty badly in retrospect.
Really, everyone knows that Primer has been the best piece of time travel fiction since it came out.
Might be /tv/ and I'm suspicious about it being good but the concept seems chill but Welcome to Yesterday sounds interesting.
Oh come on, you have a goddamn time machine, you can literally do whatever the fuck you want.
It's the same thing with ''the girl who leapt through time'' (shitty movie but whatever) you're still likely to fuck around once you got this fucking cool damn power.
Disappearance was fucking perfect you pea-brained autismaloid gooknigger
What does it have to do with R;N? is it by the same writer?
The blue chick, forgot her name and tired, didn't have enough screentime to be that shocking by the end. Not so perfect in my eyes but damn good.
Did you watch the movie without watching the series? She was shocking because of Melancholy ep 2.
The actions the girl took in TGWLTT were justified because she was shown as naive and desperate. It fit that she would fuck things up.
All the characters in S;G were portrayed as sci-fi nerds. They should know the basics, but no, they used the time travel on trivial as fuck things and they knew from the beginning they were dealing with something major.
KAMI NOMI ZO SHIRU SEKAI
oh god it's not even the best time travel based story it would have been better without it
also the best time travel manga is lurk 6 years earlier
>"Okay I'll go back in time to before the timelines even diverged from the D-mails and such and kiss him, which means that he'll have that memory in all the divergent timelines, but that'll somehow magically fix the problem!"
You're misunderstanding how world lines work. The go from the very beginning to the very end. Steins Gate didn't start in 2010, it goes to the very beginning.
What? Yes, it had paradoxes. That was a major point, that paradoxes existed and had a very bad effect on the timeline, basically causing everything around them to erode into the void.
Your hostility is weak and doesn't help your argument. Go back to /v/.
Robotics;Notes was good, but the anime fucked it up.
Meh, it was okay.
I will say that Steins;Gate is one of the few time travel stories that stayed fairly consistent with its mechanics. The only real plot hole is how the fuck did Faris' dad stay alive?
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU FAGGOTS KEEP SPEWING THESE FUCKING RETARDED IDEAS
THE ANIME IS FUCKING BETTER THAN THE VN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEANDER FOREVER WITH POINTLESS DETAILS
THE R;N VN WAS A FUCKING MESS AND THEY AT LEAST TRIED TO STREAMLINE IT FOR THE ANIME
R;N SUCKS GET OVER IT MAYBE THE NEXT ENTRY IN THE FRANCHISE WON'T SUCK
You can almost guarantee that a thread like this gets replies because of how desperate some /a/nons are to prove S;G is shit. Despite this, S;G pulls off one of the most alive and interesting settings and a new take on the consequences of time travel. The characters are realistic enough for the viewer to empathize with. But for some reason most of you can't let it be because you regard the fanbase as shitty because of its popularity on reddit.
I love /a/ but you guys try too fucking hard to be hipsters.
Of course I watched it but I completely forgot about her while watching the movie, and it was damn shocking but there were no signs of her anywhere being next to Nagato except when visiting her apartment. It;s not really a big criticism but it's something that I think wasn't that well polished in my eyes. Everything else is fucking spectacular, so my opinion is pretty pointless.
>sci-fi nerds not knowing about time travel
Okay, you do have a point, it's really silly on that regards.
It would interesting to see what Sci-fi nerds who do know the mechanics of time travel be careful about it but still somehow fuck shit up.
Imagine them making graphs and shit trying to fix the problem but still not making it work, that'd be interesting as a concept.
When you have a l337 hacker, a brilliant scientist who browses @chan and some idiot who apparently knows a lot about time travel, it makes no sense for none of them to not know anything about the mechanics of time travel.
Fuck this thread. Post Kurisu
There has never been an adaption of a visual novel that has surpassed the original material, mongrel.
S;G was shit anon.
It's a poor man's Higurashi.
That's wrong, see Tsukihime
Legacy of Kain.
Are you ready?
Good luck with that.
I bet it'll be even worse than R;N
Please, not now.
mah nigga. this is the best answer
>ctrl+f "Ever 17" 0 results
Come on you guys
That's your score on criticism.
Who has the best characters? Higurashi.
Who's quest in the time travel is more personal? Higurashi.
Which one makes you look fondly on the good days and didn't spend 6 fucking episodes on each of them? Higurashi.
Which only slowly examines how one event influences the next? Higurashi.
Both are pretty equal in terms of OP.
Who has the best conspiracy government keeping taps in the background where we get to know more about them, act human and have realistic goals? Higurashi.
And who has the best writting? Higurashi.
Sorry man, Higurashi wins in every single section except that it isn't ''sci-fi'' and doesn't really rely on the concept of how time travel works because it really is irrelevant except on how it influences the setting, characters and the person looping.
The way XIII-2 handled time in general was retarded, especially paradoxes. They were just a way the writers could excuse away things happening for no reason.
Even the whole plot was meaningless because Caius should have just committed suicide.
>you will never go back in time and shitpost about it on /a/
WHAT IS SCHOOL DAYS
WHAT IS KANON
WHAT IS SHUFFLE
10/10 Would cuddle with.
And then fuck.
The Akari Who Leapt Through Time
Ever 17 was less of a time travel but a dimensional travel of possible events caused by an entity that is literally the reader itself separated by the twist inside the story. It's really a linear story.
999 might be more time travel but I'm not truly sure.
Here it comes.
999 is just a ripoff of Ever17.
He can't kill himself, it doesn't work that way.
School days is more of a mix bag on both ends, I'd say it's in part equal.
Time Travelers Never Die
But it does if you chose not to kill him.
Time dilation counts as time travel right?
VN MASTER RACE, MONGREL
Ever17 is more well known though (if barely) thus why I mentioned it
Eh, if you look at it in that sense isn't SG just a dimension hopping story? Regardless if we go into Zero Escape you'd have to say Virtue's Last Reward rather than 999 I'd think
>ripping off yourself
>999 is just a ripoff of Ever17
Pretty much. Same writer. I could feel it tried too hard to be another Ever17 and the twist didn't make sense.
Though actually tricking the identity of Zero for so long without having the reader figure it out was pretty clever. Felt a lot like a drag at parts.
Ever17 is still better.
And I'm not touching Remember11 because of it's ending, fuck that shit.
Why do I feel like /a/ has gotten vastly worse in just the past couple of weeks? Is there some major trolling effort going on or something?
HOLY SHIT YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED MORE THAN 5 VNS HAVE YOU
PLEASE STOP BEING A RETARD YOU'RE JUST GIVING GIL A BAD NAME
No, he makes Noel kill him. It's not the same.
The writer of 999 wasn't the main writer of Ever17 though, just a side one.
No, and Gunbusters was shit.
I can spend enough time bitching at it by how poorly the characters mattered, how little it was actually good par from the final last episode with the time dilation and see how everything changed and was somewhat sad and the ending. Everything else, as Jung Freud contributing nothing, Coachy's having a relationship with the girl coming out of nowhere and her subsequent breakdown being retarded and the entire thing not being good except it being IT'S AN OVA, IT'S FINE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A FEW EPISODES AND IT'S GOOD FOR AN OVA, HONEST! is a poor fucking argument.
>inb4 get better taste
>inb4 I tell you to fuck off.
well, lots of games have do-overs as a game mechanic.
Naruto Shippuden the Movie: The Lost Tower
I've played a few dozen and all anime adaptations are just god damned poor.
All of them.
Ghost Trick really is my favorite game, I wish it was more popular...
He very clearly grabs the sword and drives it into himself, does it not count as suicide if someone happens to be holding the sword's handle to no effect.
Really? I was sure it was the main writer?
Either way, it felt a lot like Ever17's concept and the writer jerking off on his knowledge in the library bit made me think it was the main writer for Ever17.
Doesn't count by Etro's rules!
I didn't remember there being a hierarchy in the writers in the Infinity series, didn't they just all take credit?
A description of what he did doesn't count for killing himself? Then why did the ending happen?
you're perfectly entitled to have a wrong opinion, I won't tell you to get better anything.
It just counts as Noel killing him.
He should've just manned up and taken the heart like that one paradox end.
(The best paradox end.)
Just because I'm entitled to an opinion doesn't make it wrong by it being different than yours.
wow what a fucking beta lma0
The main writer of the infinity series in general was Takumi Nakazawa. Kotaro Uchikoshi helped out writing the series and went on to make 999.
Also, the main writer of the SciADV series (Chaos;Head, Steins;Gate, etc), Naotaka Hayashi, was first a side writer of Remember 11 and 12Riven.
But if that counts as someone killing him he could have done it when other people and killed himself a lot easier a long time ago.
Has to be a Guardian.
By the time he wants to destroy time, Noel's the only guardian left.
Has to be Noel, in other words. And he has to be worthy of it.
>people post S;G, movies, tv shows with fantasy elements for time travel
>no one post the one show that used time travel more times than any of them with actual relevance of any kind to both the story and characters.
Nothing ever comes close to Stargate SG-1.
I suppose saying the writer of 999 was a side writer is giving him too little credit, but the main writer was also the director of Ever17.
Higurashi and Steins;Gate have almost nothing in common. Whether or not you consider it to be comparable or even better than Steins;Gate is your opinion. some remotely similar plot elements might be
present in both stories, but at their respective cores they are completely different.
The only guardian here is Caius.
My fucking nigger.
Noel's one too.
The Akari Who Leapt Through Time
No he isn't, he's some random fuck Caius lied to.
A town in which only I'm missing.
someone else please read this, its so good
All You Zombie
Go read it now, it's short.
I downloaded Ever17 last year but never have had time to play it. Is it worth watching and how long is it?
All You Zombies*
Forgot the "s".
I'm reading it. I just wish scans were faster.
neon geniuses evangelion
Doraemon. They even went to the dinosaurs edge.
I do, it's amazing
Well, I really don't find it believable that you can compress 3tb's of data to 3kb.
Uh, JoJo part 3?
>download CCS from Coalgirls encoded in 1080p 25 times
>create notepad file
>sum up the series in a few paragraphs and talk about how tomoyo and sakura molested kero chan during that one time in the basement
>make sure .txt file takes up 3kb
>wait a couple of years to test out whether FLAC audio in anime suffers from rotational velocidensity because, why the fuck not
>delete series because archiving coalgirls is retarded
Yeah, but, Time Travel was such an auxiliary element to the show. It was used as a plot device a lot, but it was never central to the show itself.
they purchased a winrar license
Official list of /a/-OK (weeb shit) time travel works, time travel must be the primary plot point rather than "I time-traveled once and now I must x" or "We only time travel to create plot":
>Steins;Gate (VN version)
What else is there?
Boku no Pico
That's cute as HELL
Back to the Future.
Maybe, I guess you stop time a lot but wasn't time linear from the beginning point after the initial events? It's a lot less time-travel related than some, I thought.
Maybe I'm not remembering right and you did change points in time over and over. It's one of the only DS games I actually played on-the-go so my memory of the specifics is kinda shit.
Great game, either way.
Yeah, the main gameplay is when you go back and save people 4 minutes before their death. And then in the end you manage to go back 10 years because lolloopholes.
Except for this, everything in this thread is wrong.
Most people that say Primer have no clue what they're talking about.
youve only been here the last couple of weeks
Oh right yeah. I forgot how it worked precisely.
Playing games on the go is terrible.
Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward
S;G might be a good show but it's a seriously bad time travel story.
Why is it a bad time travel story?
oh yes this.
Zero Escape just reuse Ever 17 plot twist in a shitty way, nothing about the time traveling there was well done
Would Richard Stallman buy a winrar license if it let him compress 3TB into 3kb?
The End of Eternity
There are vector threads and IMTs for that.
So, I'm about to play Chaos;Head. I know it's not as good as S;G, but aside from that what should I expect?
>No La Jetée
It's better if you don't know much about it.
Delusions. And some say it's better. I don't think that, but it is very good. And you have to read Chapter 7 in one go since you can't load saves from that chapter.
Also, reread Steins;Gate after for all the references and shit.
Yes. EVEN Donny Darko.
Boku no Pico: the light novel.
Gibson wrote good short stories actually.
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure
Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
Too bad it's a fucking awful movie.
Not enough explosions for you?
Only massive plebs like Carruth movies
No you go back to your child molester board and take your shitty hipster attitude with you.
I avoid /tv/ at all costs. They are massive plebs too.
It's just not a good movie. Just having tricky timelines and also being really vague does not make it a good movie.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go watch the true best time travel movie ever made.
Easy The Time Machine
The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya
It's not vague at all, you are just too dumb to understand it
Fucking Looper did it better.
Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future
Is the movie actually called 12 or is that just the number of the saved file?
judged solely as a time travel story it's not amazing but as a time travel story with romance/comedy it's up there
There's an old video game that had to do with time travel. And apparently it was made so everything fell into place and there were no inconsistencies. I honestly cannot remember the name.
I didn't really watch it very carefully, if you're not going to put in the effort of writing a story I'm not going to put in the effort of watching your boring demonstration of how fucking clever you can be with a movie.
And a party and a shotgun is not a story, don't try to tell me that it was.
It's called 12 monkeys.
its 12 monkeys
The damedame ARG
But anon, the OP said fiction. The Damedame is REAL.
>not as good as S;G
Season 5 of Lost
While C;H does have the better atmosphere, I felt that the plot wasn't as well written and the side characters weren't as good. Apparently Noah fixes at least the characterization issue, but it'll never be translated...
Hmm, that wasn't hard.
You may hit a point around chapter 7 in which your save games won't work. Leave it on until you get to chapter 8 so you don't have to repeat it.
Why are you responding to my post?
Good taste, Gilliam's second best.
Fuck. We'll pretend like it never happened.
Your opinion is good by the way.
Captcha said it all for me ITT
Hmm, that wasn't hard.
EDIT: And heck, I'll throw in my lot with the 12 Monkeys people as well. Both 12 Monkeys and Primer are good. I can't see why anyone would have such an averse reaction to Primer unless they didn't bother to read any of the literature on it.
Why Chrono Trigger? When talking about the story aspect (which is the only thing you can do when comparing it to non-video games), it was good, but not THAT good.
I didn't go out of my way to bring up questionable comparisons specifically to imply that S;G isn't "that good" either, although I could have--I really do think everything I listed is at least at the "highly recommended" level in their respective media. I tend to think S;G is extremely overblown and appreciated naively, although you could say pretty much exactly the same thing about Chrono Trigger. Just as S;G is hyped by people I see as anime "plebs" over-reacting to their notion of anime as a medium exclusively designated for little girl shows and fanservice, CT is lauded by many people who have only played one or two JRPGs and assume that the ability to tell a compelling story in the form of a video game is a unique property.
Of course, I don't think you're right here
>When talking about the story aspect
>which is the only thing you can do when comparing it to non-video games
Why can't I also applaud Chrono Trigger for its fantastic (visual) art and music as well? Those are legitimate criteria for both video games and films. In fact, I think its music especially does more to establish its enduring reputation than anything else.
>the name of the movie isn't clearly printed in english on the picture
Alright, although have you read then VN? I do think it is a good deal better than the anime. Plus, the side materials add a lot too.
And what I should've said is the non-interactive aspects, not just the story.
>white text on a snowy background.
There are other people deserving of your criticism.
I haven't; I haven't read a VN since before S;G was translated. But I understand that the VN has the reputation you mention--I also think that the VN's unusual artstyle helps make it more integral than the anime, which I feel is watered down.
Yeah, huke's art is great. And if you haven't already, pre-order the official release; it's gonna be better than what's out now and more sales = more stuff getting translated!
That was easy.
Why does /a hate anything that isn't shounenshit?
it's a Visual Novel dude, and yes it's quite good, the ending is crazy
Do you really think it was worth sitting through literally 50 hours of "Chicken Sandwiches" and "Kick the Can" with no real excitement for a "twist" ending (after 4 uninspiring false endings)?
I know the mundane routes are part of what makes the true route as exciting as it is, but I can't really support E17 with all those faults in mind.
That said, if you really love S;G, you'll probably like E17 too.
i think you mean moeshit. most people on here bash shonenshit
Myself I had no issue whatsoever sitting through the chicken sandwiches because I liked the character interaction but obviously it'll differ from person to person, I was simply saying that the universally acclaimed part of it (as far as I know, I've never seen anyone downplay this at least) is the ending
Shits;Gayte IS shounenshit.
>Naturally I knows the hacker
I'll give you half of Kid's routes, but I flew though Takeshi's
Not exactly time travel but it's part of the deal, yeah.
>why is she in a washing machine?
That movie isn't even good.
Well the ending is a little bit, you know, ridiculous, but I can't say it's "out of nowhere," and it's not like someone reading a sci-fi/fantasy game expected it to be anything but ridiculous (but in a thought provoking way) anyway.
There were even bigger problems with Hirameki's translation than that. Surely they didn't even proofread it--they seem to have autoreplaced the word "youth" with "kid," but for some reason it also effected combinations of those letters with spaces in between, so that "you that" or "you the" become "kidat" and "kide" and such. It's ridiculous.
But every single piece of fiction deals with time travel.
I liked Steins;Gate a lot, but I enjoyed the story and characters in this fictional work a lot more.
Unless you mean forward time travel no
I really like butterfly effect,
Outside that, the only stories I like about time travel are S;G and Back to the future.
Any good recomendation? even butterfly effect got a bit frustrating at some time for me, I don't really like or I am not really happy about the outcome of using time travel as a main plot for anything (S;G is just an anime that happens to talk about time travel actually, sure, the character can go back into the time, but he doesn't do that much, I love the John Titor references anyway, Back to the future is just... not a serious movie, something you watch but at the same time, you don't)
Don't do that. You understand what he means.
I didn't think it was that out there, was it an extremely strange way of doing it? Well yes, but that was what I liked about it, other than when he reused the plot in VLR I haven't seen a plot quite like that before. It definitely wasn't out of nowhere since it was foreshadowed through the entire novel (due to the writer's tendancy to write the twist first and the rest afterwards) and it made every bizarre claim they made beforehand make sense.
I agree. Kumagawa is better than Steins;Gate
You just had to bring Asimov into this. That's practically cheating.
I don't know how to feel about this show
half of me likes it the other half does not
Hahaha, you're such a cut up anon; but really, sorry my tastes aren't as sophisticated as yours.
Blackadder: Back and Forth
No I mean, you're absolutely right. The fact that it's "ridiculous" isn't necessarily a bad thing--the reason I think it is ridiculous in the first place is because it is so unlike anything else I've ever heard of. The whole time I was reading it I was trying to guess various minor twists, and what the big twist would be, but obviously nothing I thought of even got close. And even then, it was undeniably foreshadowed. So it is skillful in that way. I just think the long boring part is way too long. I think they could just make you do one Takeshi route and one Kid route, rather than two of each before letting you do the true route.
That was a cool movie. The tv shows were better, of course.
I agree even if the future diary had a shitty ending it was still more enjoyable than steins;gate, which did have some good and deep arches but overall was just dicking around most of the time
That would perhaps be better, but I can't help but feel like there were some important things that happened in each route that are decently necessary for the true route, not to mention that by that time you've spent so much time with the cast you become invested.
There's also the issue that you'd never want to go back and play the other routes after the true end most likely. I mean I do to see things in a new light but after that kind of an ending going and say playing Sora's route is just not going to fly.
>Better time travel story
Telephone hand no qualia
That evil moon is gonna squash link
>Better time loop
That one episode of Stargate SG1
That one episode of Eureka
The higurashi always cry
There are way more but fuck writing them all.
>That one episode of Stargate SG1
oh man that was ridiculous
Not him but visual novels tend to be better than anime if you enjoy reading.
>Tsukihime (There was no "This chair")
The only really good adaptation of a harem vn was Amagami and stuff like Higurashi and Umineko aren't as good since there aren't enough episodes for the production staff to do all the clues and stuff properly.
clannad was a good adaptation though. They balanced the original/source material works in a way that not many other adaptations do. Some overly 1:1 adaptations can be pretty shite even if the VN was good.
Ever 17 is better than the Zero Escape series.
That being said I'm still hyped as shit for ZE3
Chrono Trigger and Dr Who come to mind. If you want anime there was that episode of Yuru Yuri when Akari goes back in time.
The problem with the Clannad anime came with the ending. In the VN, you as the player had to earn the happy ending, while the anime lost that aspect and made it seem more like a deus ex machina.
I felt Takeshi and Kid each had a poor route, Sora and You, while Tsugumi and Sara were good. Coco is so god damn good that it makes up for it. Yes sitting through the boring parts more than makes up for it.
It was okay but I would have proffered it if they did it Amagami style where every girl gets their routes animated properly.
That said they did do the Tomoyo/Kyou specials so it's really just me nitpicking/not liking Nagisa.
Yes, I agree, the Tsugumi and Sara routes are the more integral ones while Sora and You seem a little more like side routes the important details of which could've been inserted into the other two. Now, it's common sense that a VN needs to have as many routes as it has female characters (I still remember the butthurt when one of the characters on the cover of a certain well known VN died 5 minutes into the game and didn't come back), but if I were in charge of say, adapting Ever17 into an anime series or movie or something, I would definitely break it into THREE routes rather than five.
And how the fuck would an Ever17 series work?
I don't think that would of worked as well as it sounds. Kyouani took the source and made into anime, and that does involve some changes as anime can't do some things visual novels can.
Clannad is the only visual novel adaptation I can safely say works as a replacement of the VN, it isn't as good but it comes damn close.
Also to add some gameplay too, and are you speaking of 999? Guy gets mentioned like 2 more times through the game if I remember correctly.
It wouldn't, it has way to many points that only can exist because of the VN format.
I can not fathom how in anime they'd not show what the kid looks like in kid routes and Takeshi in Takeshi routes. Because of the timeloop it would be easy to omnibus them, but still. How can you not show a major character on screen for so long. Even Coco's route wouldn't work post mirror scene for when you can actually show the characters without it being a spoiler at that point.
Something in the "omnibus" format could work--do the Tsugumi route through to the end, then go back to the beginning and the branch point and do the Sara route--just do something to quickly establish that the perspective has shifted--and then when that's over (with any "important" details from the skipped routes added in of course), do the Coco route from the beginning. You could do it in 24 or 36 episodes I'd say, but not fewer. You could also try to do a trilogy of movies, but I think it would be hard to cover everything so a lot of it would have to be dumbed down.
The biggest problem is how to hide the Kid's and Takeshi's hair colors, so you'd probably have to just remove that element from the story altogether. But then what do you replace the mirror scene with?...
No I was talking about Sharin no Kuni.
Madoka of Opportunity
Ever 17 just won't work in anime format. Not everything should be adapted. I honestly can't think of a way to give it a good adaptation.
Only thing I can think of is a literal Omnibus, where routes are switching between each other as episodes go on. Could even be something as cute as even episodes are Kid, odd are Takeshi. Maybe do something extra special for episode 17 or something. I don't know, but while switching you could do Tsugumi and Sara, then have it go to Coco. It would cause a lot of mindfuck but make sense in the end, but that still isn't even close to how the VN would of had it.
>Sharin no Kuni
I need to get to reading that, I hear it's fantastic.
Dude you can't just remove Takeshi and Kid not being who they seem from the story all together, it doesn't work that way
The simple answer is that it doesn't work in a non VN fashion, how on earth are you even planing on doing BW
>I need to get to reading that, I hear it's fantastic.
It's not that great at all. Well not bad per-say, but a very far shot from "fantastic". It's really only popular because it's in english, but there are many far better translated VNs out there.
Sharin suffers from the same problem of being a little boring in the middle, although it doesn't drag on as long as E17. Some of the routes seem awfully repetitive, but the little glimpses of their world make it fascinating when they come through. And of course once it gets to the "shit getting real" stage, it is quite mindblowing. Maybe even more of a shock to me than E17. Very literary too. Yes, it's good stuff. And it has the voice of Norio Wakamoto.
I wasn't saying remove their fluid identities, I was just saying that the one particular bit exposed in the mirror scene would have to be replaced with some other method of exposition. Although they have adapted more stubborn sources in the past, I don't think Ever 17 will or should be adapted either (there's a good reason why it hasn't been!). My original point was "If I were given the chance to revisit E17" and the idea of adapting it for television was just an example. All I was arguing was that the less important routes for Takeshi and the Kid could be condensed down into the main routes, and that would make the story a lot less boring without missing out on anything that made it good.
If you want to revisit E17 then why not just have it remade for the DS or something? I mean I know that's been done already but it can't be worse than what they did with the 360 version
Do you understand the purpose of a hypothetical? I am NOT expressing my recommendation that Ever 17 be "revisited" in any medium. I was just musing on "what could have been."
Some of the 360 changes I liked.
Others were just fucking stupid.
What were the changes? I didn't even know it changed things.
My favorite has been and always will be Kaburaki jumping into a black hole and surviving
What the fuck? I wanna know more now.
Wasn't 5pb. in charge of the Ever17 rerelease?
I'm not sure but it's already been released stateside and it failed bad. Maybe a rerelease would work now that more people know about visual novels in general, but I doubt it would happen. Though also adding "The game that inspired the Zero Escape series by the same writer" would help sell it.
Other good ones are probably when Sora got her personality uploaded onto Pipi and when Sara became a secret agent for Lemu
Oh lord, now I just thought about all the people saying Ever17 ripped off 999...
This sounds like a bad fanfiction holyshit. I wanna read it.
Yep, but I'm sure that shit will happen, even if the box says it's game that inspired it.
I always laugh when I see those guys, because you can't even try arguing with them so it's the only option left
Understandably though, no one wants to waste their time translating it
I'll just look up spoilers for it until I know moon well enough to read it.
>Stopping time is a Literally literalized impossibility
>Time is possible to slow down to the point where a single nanosecond lasts a hundred years, making making most things be completely still yet still have motion in the universe
HakoMari volume 1 is probably the best-handled time loop I've seen for now.
As for time travelling... eh. I am particular about the mechanics in Haruhi, it's a pretty nice system. Strange, nothing else comes up to mind at the moment...
What are you talking about here?
>Leaping countless times to find only one good possibility of the future.
Star trek's cause and effect was quite good I remember
>anything but mediocre
>better than Primer
you really do have trash taste
That episode of Star Trek TNG
That/those episodes of Farscape
Nope, it's always this bad. Welcome to the family.