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How can anyone seriously defend Bleach after this shit?

Seriously, while things like Yammi being the Zero Espada and Butterflaizen had their charm in a "so bad it's good " way, this shit makes look like Kubo doesn't give a fuck about the basic points of his story anymore
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>>101573229
Shits kubo yo
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>>101573229
Pretty sure it was intentional: look at As Nodt's expression, it's supposed to be the reader.
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>>101573229
>reading shitty translations
>expecting it to make sense
Pick one anon. If you seriously can't understand what's happening you're retarded. Rukia's power isn't even bullshit it's strong, but not bullshit.
Also fuck off there are 2 other threads up no need to make another one
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>>101552815
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I hate how Rukia is acting all smug like Byakuya now
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>>101573455
>Implying Rukia wasn't always smug.
Smug Rukia is best Rukia
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I don't have problems with Bleach characters having weird powers. They've always had weird powers. I have a problem with Rukia suddenly getting this very convenient power. As stealing Kenpachi's kill he was tailored made for this fight. Just like how Byakuya said it was good that Kenpachi didn't fight facebook since he always takes hits, but I don't think that would have mattered. Kenpachi just wants to fight strong guys even if they were friends or not.
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>>101574302
>As
I meant Also
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>>101574256

I miss the old art.
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>>101574256
First 10 volumes or so best Bleach, no contest.
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>>101574302
It would have been boring as shit if Kenpachi fought As Nodt.
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>>101574302
Kenpachi would get destroyed by As Nodts ability.
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>>101574256
God damn it anon.
Now you've made me sad
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>>101575582
If he is anywhere near his implied powerlevel he probably would be afftected by As Nodt as much as Aizen was affected by by Mizurio.

Alternativly, Kenpachi has something wrong with his brain and literally cannot process fear.
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>>101575582
naw he doesn't feel fear even if he did he'd kill As Nodt anyway
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Cocky Rukia is best Rukia, hands down. Way better than SS arc's Depressed Rukia.
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>complaining about a rukia chapter
Scum
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When is this guy going to get a sword and go super saiyan?
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>>101575898
after he gets laid
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>>101575870
My thought exactly. Lots of people are being ungrateful bitches about this.
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>>101575771
>If he is anywhere near his implied powerlevel he probably would be afftected by As Nodt as much as Aizen was affected by by Mizurio.

Reiatsu vs Reiatsu battles only apply to shinigami vs shinigami and only if i's a huge gap in power.

>>101575798
Except he does feel fear.
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>>101575771
Well, isn't he afraid of dying? Not because he's scared of death but because he wouldn't want to leave Yachiru all alone? I know...it was filler, but I'm sure he really thinks that way. Wouldn't he also fear Yachiru dying? Kenpatchi isn't completely heartless is he? That said, I'm sure Kenpatchi being shown his fears would freeze him in his tracks but it would instead serve to enrage him which wouldn't be good news for his opponent.
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>>101576246
>would
I meant wouldn't of course.
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Were you expecting something good/not retarded shit from it?
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Here is your answer
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>>101576246
What about the fear of not being able to fight or being the strongest one?
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I would like to say a big fuck you to the people bringing up old bleach as you've made me look up old chapters and it making me feel sad that Bleach will never be like this again.
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>>101576080
It was explicitly stated a battle between 2 people with spirit energy, not just between shinigami. And as for a huge gap in power, Kenpachi took out 3 sternritter simultaneously and has since been implied to have skyrocketed in power.
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>>101573229
i'm bothered by the fact that she's not using bankai right now. cause i mean, bankai is supposed to be the greater effect of shikai right. then what the fuck goes beyond ABSOLUTE ZERO?
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>>101576687
goddamn I need to reread the manga, I haven't read the early chapters in forever
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>>101576687
>Rukia and Chad interacting
I wish we had more of this.
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>>101575771
He admits to having fear.
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>>101576768
Her Bankai will be a big area that goes below absolute zero rewinding time and bringing everyone back alive.
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>>101576791
I just wish we had more emotional character interaction in general. Its all just FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT PLOT TWIST now
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>>101576702
Aizen specifically said 2 shinigami when fightin Soi Fon

>>101576687
Don't kid yourself old Bleach ended up getting boring pretty fast. I'm glad the SS started when it did.

>>101576921
You got that shit in the Fullbringer arc and yet you people still complained so fuck off.
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>>101576912
that is acually so cubo it might potato
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>>101576880
Fuck,t forgot image.
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>go through months without Rukia
>Rukia is mentioned only here and there in threads, save for questions about when she's going to come back
>finally get Rukia chapter
>everyone's talking about Rukia
Thank you, based Kubo.
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>>101577399
>that feel
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>>101577399
I have no problem with Rukia appearing or getting in a fight or winning a fight. I just think her ass pull power is dumb
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>>101577518
>People getting mad about ass-pull powers
Its fucking Bleach! Is this the first chapter you've ever read?!
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Aren't all Shinigami technically dead already
Is she double-dead?
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>>101577518
It's kinda sad her power is lame too, it's like Kubo went to a park and asked a kid to make a power up for him.
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>Nobody dies in bleach
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>>101577656
>absolute zero
>bad
Yeah nahh she can literally control the temerature of her body. It's way better than her other powers.
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>>101576687
whats all that stuff behind the characters? looks like a tree or something.
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>>101578165
tree shaped hollow probably
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>>101577128

but he says he enjoyed it
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>>101576768
ZA WARUDO
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My waifu would beat your waifu
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>>101581885
can't do that while frozen
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>Rukia is an ice zombie now
Haha, Bleach gets more and more dumb with each chapter
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>>101573229
So here's what happened this chapter.

Rukia reveals her swords power freezes it's user, either the sword or a technique she developed herself also gives her the ability to continue functioning by the force of her spiritual power. Her body is no longer functioning under it's own power, hence "dead". Fear dudes power requires a permeable medium to travel through to affect the users mind, Rukia is frozen and selects which parts are moving, thus no fear can be induced.

She's not dead, nor is anyone in soul society dead for that matter, hence why they're still moving around breathing and having spirit babies.
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Who gives a shit about Bleach? Rukia is where it's at
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>>101582489
I wonder why Kubo drew such a sexual picture of her.
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Crappiest chapter in a while, maybe apart from the title page. The whole chapter was reading like Edgie McDarkblade haven a Facebook fight against Derrek DeathShAdoW. Half the chapter they kept trash talking how extreme and hard boiled they are and as for Rukia's "ultra cool" attack, frankly, after Yamamoto revealed his Bankai I don't give a rats ass about the rest of them. Can't get myself excited for Bleach fights anymore. At this point each fight is a sequence of one-hit kills with special techniques that may or may not get shrugged off by the opponent, who then in turn does his one hit kill attempt after spouting some more fortune cookie wisdom about the state of the universe and life.
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>>101582540
You are so full of shit you squeak.

Try posting again with words that mean something.
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>>101582538
To keep his readers.
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>>101582318
Aren't shinigami dead by definition? They're fucking souls in the afterlife.
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>>101577061
>You got that shit in the Fullbringer arc and yet you people still complained

Are you trying to imply that the Fullbringer arc was even remotely well written or good?
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>>101582678
The truth hurts. Don't blame the messenger, blame Kubo.
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>>101577656
>absolute zero
>Lame
son, do you even realize how are it is to even achieve absolute zero?
I think it's raw as fuck if you're into that kind of sceincey shit
>>101582693
At first I thought that was the point she was making.
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Bleach always has and always will be shit.
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>>101573229
>I'm too stupid to understand what's going on so I'm just gonna say it's shit
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>>101582693
Are they still moving around eating, shitting, and fucking?

Then no, hence why most after-lifes are described as eternal "life".
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>>101582913
>son, do you even realize how are it is to even achieve absolute zero?
I think it's raw as fuck if you're into that kind of sceincey shit

If you're into science you would know this chapter was stupid. It's fine because fantasy, but moving while in Absolute Zero is wrong.

>>101582969
>trying to take the pretentious route when the application of absolute zero is wrong

Bleach fags are the worst. He doesn't have to like everything that Kubo shits out, go fuck yourself.

That said, this chapter was really cool. I was sitting in place for a while after reading it.
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>>101582787
Aside from the rushed ending and the fact that Chad didnt get to do anything it was a good arc. I liked how it wasn't constant fights, but of course pre-SS arc nostalgiafags will hate on it because it's not early Bleach. Also Facebook was great.
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>>101583101
>fucking a soul
sounds neato, where do i sign up?
are they 2D?
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>>101583274
>That said, this chapter was really cool. I was sitting in place for a while after reading it.
sad.
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>>101583274
>If you're into science you would know this chapter was stupid.
I'm surprised more people didn't lose it here.
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>>101583401
I meant fucking each other, which they do, and produce little spirit babies.

And 5D, so even more pig disgusting to the point of insanity trying to perceive just how pig disgusting.
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Aren't they already dead? Isn't it suppose to be the afterlife?
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>>101583373

>Aside from the rushed ending and the fact that Chad didnt get to do anything it was a good arc.

You're fucking insane, Kubo threw a LOT of bullshit around and didn't follow up on any of it.

>Ginjo acting like Ichigo's dad was evil
>Ichigo somehow believing this for... why?
>That Shinigami that got murdered by Tsukishima in their "fake memories"

who the fuck was that? Tsukishima's power doesn't even work that way. He can only insert himself in people's memories.

>the retarded as FUCK plan to take Ichigo's powers when they could've just made him think they were allies and take it

>PSP Guy putting people in rooms where you have to DIE TO COME OUT (why? why split up when you can heal everyone?)

>Tsukishima being fast enough to dodge Byakuya's flying blades when Ichigo had to go Bankai to do it

It was full of shit.
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>>101583498
I'll try better next time.
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>>101583604
but what if there's just so many D that it is perceived as 2D?
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>>101583652
Two different concepts of "death" in Bleach: body death and soul death. To really understand the mechanics of each you need to read the manga.
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we continue to be Saint Seiya
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>>101583797
To be fair some of that can be blamed on the fact Kubo had to rush through the arc due to popularity loss. The rest is a bit nitpicky, but:
>the retarded as FUCK plan to take Ichigo's powers when they could've just made him think they were allies and take it
They wanted to mindfuck him, makes resistance less likely an option.
>>PSP Guy putting people in rooms where you have to DIE TO COME OUT (why? why split up when you can heal everyone?)
Because he was a child and thought death matches would be more interesting/fun.
>>Tsukishima being fast enough to dodge Byakuya's flying blades when Ichigo had to go Bankai to do it
Ichigo was never very fast to begin with, and from the flashback you can assume Tsukishima was training with Fullbring longer than Ichigo had been with his Shinigami powers.

Not saying its flawless but there are explanations, if you need the mangaka to spell out everything for you then I'd try another manga.
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>>101584280
Saint Seiya and GeGeGe no Kitaro were Kubo's top influences on Bleach, so it's really no surprise.
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>>101584280
why is Kurama a super saiyan here?
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>>101584424
>They wanted to mindfuck him, makes resistance less likely an option.

He wouldn't resist if he thought they were allies you fucking retard

>Because he was a child and thought death matches would be more interesting/fun.

That's stupid.

>Ichigo was never very fast to begin with

HAHAHA, are you fucking serious? So Byakuya saying how fast Ichigo was means nothing?

>if you need the mangaka to spell out everything for you then I'd try another manga.

Lol all bleach fags use this logic, but then have to write novel long explanations just to make excuses for bullshit.

Watching faggots trying to explain why Aizen wanted to be a "normal shinigami" was hilarious.
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>>101573229
>aren't shinigamis living beings in the first place?
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>>101584178
So...Rukia isn't SOUL DEAD but is KINDA SOUL DEAD...so...can't feel fear.
Does this only extend to fear? Not other emotions or logical reasoning?
Would she not become completely apathetic?
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>>101585080
1) Once they had been discovered by Uryu they knew Ichigo would figure it out eventually; reread End of the Bond.

2) Consistent characterization is stupid? Okay.

3) I meant Ichigo wasn't particularly fast without Bankai, I thought that much was obvious, but don't try to refute the rest of the argument or anything.

The point is we can't help you if you don't bother reading between the lines, go fail an English class or something instead of wasting your time in a Bleach thread.
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>aren't shinigamis dead in the first place?
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>Currently, I am not alive.
Well, no shit. You live in Soul Society and are a member of the Gotei 13.
That basically means you're fucking dead.
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>>101585337
Soul Bodies are durable far beyond a physical body, which is why the age by centuries and can survive absurd amounts of physical damage. Essentially, Rukia "kills" her soul body but can still manipulate it with whatever Reishi technique she is using, which we can assume is highly advanced Royal Guard technique. Thus her body can still "function" while being physically dead.
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>>101583797
>Kubo threw a LOT of bullshit around and didn't follow up on any of it.
You DO realize that Kubo takes YEARS to follow up on stuff like this, right?

He didn't follow up on it... yet.
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>>101585527
Wait, did it turn out Rukia became a Royal Guard or something?
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What one is better?

This one?
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or this one?
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>>101585790
They'd be both as good without the text.

Just get them both.
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>>101573229
>shinigami are literally dead
>"currently I am not alive"

whaaa
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>>101585657
No, but my best guess is that she learned a technique from Food Queen royal guard since spirit bodies was her specialty; there was a fair bit of off-panel time with Rukia in the Royal Realm that wasn't covered. Combined with the power boost that comes with training in such high spirit density, it would account for both her "true" zanpakuto ability and the means by which she can use it.
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>>101585738
>>101585790
>those skelton bones

disguting
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>>101585870
As opposed to skeleton lollipops? Or jelly bones?
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>>101585738
>>101585790
The one that isn't blurry as fuck.
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>>101585359
>1) Once they had been discovered by Uryu they knew Ichigo would figure it out eventually; reread End of the Bond.

Who cares? The point was to take Ichigo's power.

Why go through the trouble of going through all that other bullshit once he got his fullbring?

There was no point for that. The only excuse Kubo can make is that he even had Tsukishima and Ginjou admit that the plan was stupid. but it felt like he was just trying to save face.

>2) Consistent characterization is stupid? Okay.

Consistent characterization? The same kid who was taking no chances with Tsukishima is somehow now a sadist who enjoys death battles? Stop.

> I meant Ichigo wasn't particularly fast without Bankai, I thought that much was obvious, but don't try to refute the rest of the argument or anything.

My point was that Tsukishima shouldn't be fast enough to dodge Byakuya's Bankai at all. The fact that Ichigo had to go Bankai to do it says alot about it's speed.

The arc was just terrible. At the end it felt like Kubo was trying to wash his hands of it, but throw in some cool moments along the way.

There's a reason why it dropped in rankings.

>>101585545
still waiting on what the hell that form Ichigo took when he fought Ulquiorra.

If we ever see it again.
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>>101585837

Shinigami are not dead.

People in Bleach universe have a physical body and a spiritual body.

When the physical body dies, the spiritual body goes to Soul Society, where it's supposed to stay there for a while and then go to the human world to reborn.

If a spiritual body is killed, it's turn no spirit particles, as it happened with Kaien. The soul is INSIDE the spiritual body.

So, to sum up

Physical body ⊂ Spiritual Body ⊂ Soul

Spiritual Body ≠ Soul

So, Rukia is killing her spiritual body temporally to use her powers.

If there is a thing Kubo can be praised for is that he never contradicts himself (but retcons).
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>>101586114
>still waiting on what the hell that form Ichigo took when he fought Ulquiorra
How many years did it take until Zangetsu was revealed to be bach? And how many years has it been since that fight?

Do the math.
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>>101586204
I wasn't making a diss with that.

I was just saying I want to see it.
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>>101586117
>never contradicts himself
No he just leaves it up to the community to create these half-assed excuses for him.
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>>101586114
1) Because I think most people enjoy the existence of a plot? Besides if Ichigo thought the goal was to give him power, and suddenly Ginjou turned around and said "Hey buddy give me your power", Ichigo would know something was up. The plan wasn't perfect, but the idea was to have Ginjou gain Ichigo's trust so he'd be vulnerable to his inevitable betrayal, and that plan succeeded for the most part.

2) Yukio is just a chuuni who doesn't think his actions have consequences and in general doesn't like people; I don't really see what you're getting at.

3) Why couldn't he? Fullbring and Shunpo are effectively equivalents in speed and Tsukishima has had it since childhood. Ichigo used his Bankai to boost his speed initially since that's what he needed and was his weakest asset at the time, but it's effectively no different from regular Shunpo.
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>>101586311
Literally everything in that post is explicitly stated in the manga.
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I liked it, it was pretty saint seiya style and I fucking love saint seiya

Caballeros del zodiaco for the win

I wanted to see more of as nodt, though. At least his vosltanding
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>>101586237
I wasn't making a diss either. I want to know too.

Do the math, I'm too lazy.

I'll draw pixelshit for you.
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>>101586545
Vollstandig has been kind of let down in general, I was hoping that Quilge was just a really weak Sternritter but from the looks of it he was probably stronger than most of the others we've encountered so far.
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>>101584280

It's not even Saint Seiya. It's freaking Saint Seiya OMEGA. I think it's kind of hilarious that Kubo basically stole the ability of a Saint Seiya "Omega" villain and gave to Rukia.

Hyoga had absolute zero attacks, but he had used it on his own body as a defense. On the other hand, the whole concept of controlling the movement of atoms of their own body to reach absolute zero as a defense AND also being able to move in spite of that was ALL Tokisada's new powers in Omega season 2

So, Kubo basically took Rukia's power here from a villain who fought only two months ago or so in freaking Saint Seiya Omega.
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>>101586766

Kubo's keikaku was so strong it affected the writers of Omega before he even got around to implementing it in his own story.
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>>101573229
Wait is that Rukia?
Fuck I haven't read since the Captains got back their bankais because of magical Hollow magic thadsfjlkafh lqwjehqewjlkrj qlj and plot stuff, what the fuck did I miss?
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>>101586945
Sorry, no spoonfeeding. Read the last 10-12 chapters or so, shouldn't take that long.
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>>101586439
>Because I think most people enjoy the existence of a plot

Yeah, a good one.

>Besides if Ichigo thought the goal was to give him power, and suddenly Ginjou turned around and said "Hey buddy give me your power", Ichigo would know something was up.

He doesn't have to ask, he just has to hit him with his sword when he doesn't expect it.

He did exactly that when Tsukishima changed him back. It's a similar plan, but in reverse and Ichigo won't be able to retaliate until it's too late.

>Yukio is just a chuuni who doesn't think his actions have consequences and in general doesn't like people.

He CLEARLY likes his fullbringer allies, he even gives Jackie a job and a place to stay, but he puts his allies in a room where they have to kill or be killed to escape, instead of healing them like he did one chapter earlier.

It was a lazy way for Kubo to split up the group for 1 v 1 fights. It's pretty damn obvious.

>Ichigo used his Bankai to boost his speed initially since that's what he needed and was his weakest asset at the time, but it's effectively no different from regular Shunpo.

Haha, no. If it were regular Shunpo, Byakuya wouldn't be shocked that Ichigo was faster than his blades, and he most definitely wouldn't have been impressed with his speed.
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>>101586599
>anti-aliasing on pixels

C'mon anon, what the fuck are you doing?
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Alright so, after the last chapter, I thought it would be interesting to explore Sode No Shirayuki's bankai form. Based on current evidence, I believe that the ability as a whole is less about "cold' and more about "temperature control". In her shikai form, she can freeze everything. What if her bankai allows her to do the opposite? Heat everything up? Yamamoto style.

While there is room to expand in the "cold" territory, I thought that "temperature control" also works fine given the context and therefore is quite legit.

Failing that, her bankai is probably the exact opposite of Yama's. Her temperature becomes Absolute Zero (or close to it) with no penalties and everything in her vicinity begins to freeze. Also the closer they get, the faster they begin to freeze (and slow down, because who said you can't freeze velocity? 2kubo), up until the moment of impact. That would be her ultimate defense. The dances could potentially even mirror Yama's cardinal directions.

Perhaps she gains some kind of sash or whatever on her clothes to signify her bankai state. Her sword could become longer, become a polearm/staff or perhaps a scythe? No bankai is smaller than the shikai is my reason, but I have no idea what to give her.

It's all just conjecture, so take it for what it's worth. My 2cents.
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>>101587486
Uh... Using the Mspaint brush?
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>Yammamoto goes Bankai.
>Blade with so much heat anything it cuts doesn't even burn, it is simply erased in his hand.
>Flame Armor as hot at the sun enveloping his body.
>10 trillion skeletons However that is irrelevant to my upcoming point.

Awwwh fuck yeah Yammamoto's bankai is the greatest!

>Rukia utilizes the full extent of her Shikai.
>Freezes all moisture within her proximity for devastating effects.
>Freezes the area within her proximity as well as her self to 'Absolute Zero' for 4 seconds.

THIS IS SUCH BULLSHIT! NOT POSSIBLE MAKES NO SENSE! IMPOSSIBLE! KUBO! KUBO'D! FUCK THIS!

Seriously guys?
Now go ahead and tell me how much sense it makes for Aizen to completely hypnotize everyone who watches him release his blade "IT'S HIS POWER THO!" yeah, and what I just mentioned is Rukia's power, shut up moaning.
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>>101578079
Toshiro looks like a total bitch now with his vacuum ice.
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>>101587431
Ginjou isn't a very good actor, and Ichigo can tell the intentions of his opponents when he fights them. Not to mention is much less interesting to read.

Yukio likes Ginjou; he clearly had a change of heart after the battle and his own life had been put at risk. Learn to character development.

Byakuya was shocked because his speed had drastically increased; it's no more supernatural than any technique that increases speed. Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, ect. were in a similar speed tier, no reason why Tsukishima cannot be as well.
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come worship your queen's feet /a/
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>>101573229
>5 speech bubbles splitting one/two sentences per page
It's no wonder barely anything happens every week.
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>>101587691
You are probably trolling but anyway; people are upset over the logic implying that if you are frozen, you have no fear.
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>>101587842
>if you are dead, you have no fear.
ftfy
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>>101587842
I didn't mean to troll, I've just seen a lot of people bashing Rukia's power when...it's Bleach, all the powers are ridiculous.

And about freezing=no fear. I'm pretty sure it's just being dead means no circulation at the very least her blood is frozen, I'm pretty sure As Notd's black gunk flows through your body after it touches you but It has nothing to flow through if she has practically frozen herself to death.
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>>101586117
>Never contradicts himself
Source of Chad and Orihime's powers.
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>>101588067
That would make sense. Problem here is that Rukia isn't really dead in the true sense of the word.
The idea that being dead rids you of all your fear is based in the fact that either your higher brain functions are shut down (which is clearly not the case with Rukia) meaning you cannot feel fear, or that since you are dead, you cannot die again (which again is not true for Rukia, since she is not really *dead*).
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>>101588420
Suppose it goes like this: her spiritual body is dead, and fear goes through the spiritual body to reach the soul, where the "brain activity" actually takes place, and controls the movement of the body with this special technique.
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>>101587645
Pencil tool

>>101587718
>Ginjou isn't a very good actor, and Ichigo can tell the intentions of his opponents when he fights them.

Here's my issue with this. Ichigo doesn't know Ginjou, in fact, Ginjou was apparently convincing enough to make Ichigo think he was evil when he cut his eyes and was going to "kill orihime"

So that point is very moot.

>Not to mention is much less interesting to read.

Yeah, or Kubo could've came up with a better idea, there's no excuse for it, even if the characters acknowledge the bullshit.

It's essentially the dragonball Android arc clusterfuck. It happens in shounen a lot.

>Yukio likes Ginjou; he clearly had a change of heart after the battle and his own life had been put at risk.

Bullshit, he cares because he clearly heals everyone after they get attacked by Ichigo. Kubo wanted 1 v 1 fights so he spread everyone out. He even went as far as to write Ishida out of the fight for that reason.

>Byakuya was shocked because his speed had drastically increased; it's no more supernatural than any technique that increases speed.

Byakuya had never seen a bankai like that before and found it interesting.

>Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, ect. were in a similar speed tier, no reason why Tsukishima cannot be as well.

Yeah, and Tsukishima got his arm taken off by Ichigo when he was in his simple fullbringer form. If he can't keep up with that speed, there's no way he can keep up with his bankai speed.

Ginjou got his shit wrecked hard by Ichigo once he went Bankai. Not to mention, Ichigo had to go through a LOT time jump training bullshit to get his speed, and this guy without those tools can somehow move faster when he's just 20 something?

c'mon now.
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>>101588165
How did he contradict himself?
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>>101574256
Remember when Bleach was a slice of life manga with a twist?
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So... Rukia is dead? What happens next?
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Hasn't Rukia's power always been something akin to 'temperature control' I mean, maybe her power doesn't draw from the atmosphere like Hitsushota's but her Shikai instead lowers the temperature of her own body which allows her to unleash ice based attacks, and look her dances only last a second which makes it plausible. The sword is just used as a means to direct the attack after all she could still utilize her attacks without actually holding her sword and she ended up freezing herself and her surroundings after her fight with #9 and don't tell me 'It's because the room got cold.' Rukia hardily used any ice attacks then and there was a hole in the wall to boot! It's also worth noting everyone was claiming she was 'dead' after her fight and she is now claiming her full power Shikai makes her body akin to a dead body.

Think about it guys, something of what I said had to make sense.
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>>101588736

Rukia is Uiharu.
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>>101588502
While your theory would surely work if all the details you included were canon to the series, I don't see how Kubo has explained the workings of the spiritual body, soul and "brain activity" for this to be a legit explaination.
To me, it seems like the good Mr Kubo had troubles coming up with a reason as to why Rukia's power would render the other legit, and then came up with this extremely farfetched explaination.
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>>101588572
There are three different explanations at this point.
1. Ichigo leaking reiatsu
2. They wished upon the Hogyoku
3. Fullbring
That's what's called contradicting. Any other explanation comes from fans trying to fit the three together, as the other anon's original statement was.
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>>101588736
Yeah, Kubo actually foreshadowed this. When Rukia grabbed Aaroniero's trident after he stabbed her, it started frosting up where she touched it, and the whole area froze up afterwards.

Also, Rukia surviving makes much more sense if she was freezing herself, though of course this is Bleach and nobody's survival needs any explanation.
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>>101588626
Yes.
>>101575711
It's just so bland and uninspired now, riddled with "coolness", plotholes and asspulls.
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>>101588736
Buddy, it's Bleach.

Don't bother trying to make sense out of it. Just read it and accept it.
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>>101588876
The only thing I can fathom is this;
The Hogyoku was asleep for awhile, Aizen could wake it up by having his reietsu coming into contact with it, so in that regard perhaps Ichigo's leaking Reietsu woke up the Hogyoku while he was with Rukia, this in turn allowed the Hogyoku to hear Chad and Orihime's wishes unlocking their fullbring.
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>>101588519
1) You missed >and Ichigo can tell the intentions of his opponents when he fights them

2) >he cares because he clearly heals everyone after they get attacked by Ichigo
Or because it's a viable strategy to heal one's allies? Yukio was just a kid, he had no clue how outclassed his side was, and obviously didn't want the shinigami to live. Also he was under the assumption that as long as he was under control of the battle he could shift the tides, but was completely outdone by Hitsugaya.

3) >Byakuya had never seen a bankai like that before and found it interesting.
It was interesting because it was the opposite of what a Bankai should be, and that it maxed out all of Ichigo's abilities which were before that point relatively abysmal.

>Yeah, and Tsukishima got his arm taken off by Ichigo when he was in his simple fullbringer form.
Ichigo's Fullbring speed and abilities were comparable to his Bankai, as stated by Tsukishima. The rest of your criticism is just logical circles, Ginjou not being as strong as Ichigo doesn't mean Tsukishima can't be similarly fast as Ichigo. Find some valid criticism and not just "I don't like x".
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>>101588876
The hougyokyu is awakened by spiritual power of multiple magnitudes stronger than the average captain and can only grant what the person is already capable of attaining

Ichigo awoken the hougyoku that was inside of rukia that allowed orihime and chad to awaken the powers they already possessed
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>>101589428

Exactly what I was trying to say here; >>101589074
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>>101589074
>>101589428
See? This is what I mean.
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>>101573229
she's doing the same fucking thing the quincies do
just instead of waiting until her body shuts down to control it with reishi, she shuts her body down herself.
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>>101589580
Makes sense to me.
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>>101589639
Essentially yes, although don't Quincy only use external Reishi, or reishi that is technically not their own?
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>>101589109
>You missed >and Ichigo can tell the intentions of his opponents when he fights them
No I didn't, because they don't have to fight Ichigo to hit him.

Ginjou didn't fight Ichigo to cut him from behind. He just did it. Not to mention if Tsukishima had cut Ichigo, Ichigo would have no reason to suspect him.

>Or because it's a viable strategy to heal one's allies?

That's smart.

>Yukio was just a kid, he had no clue how outclassed his side was

So you make it so your comrades can't escape?
Why wouldn't you just make the rule "the shinigami can't leave?"

Being a kid is no excuse for that.

>and obviously didn't want the shinigami to live.

So he puts Ichigo and Ishida in the same room as Ginjou?

> Also he was under the assumption that as long as he was under control of the battle he could shift the tides, but was completely outdone by Hitsugaya.

He did nothing to help. At all. He tried to delete the room and kill Jackie and Renji.. instead of just healing her or letting her leave. He said he can do anything, but he chose to be retarded.

>Ichigo's Fullbring speed and abilities were comparable to his Bankai, as stated by Tsukishima.

and he's slower than Ichigo's Bankai... so what the fuck does that say about Tsukishima's speed?
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>>101573229
We Esdeath nao!
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>>101589717
the issues is regardless of what explanation makes sense, the manga just gives out bits and pieces but not a clear explanation for how shit works.

When readers have to speculate how things work you've done something wrong.
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>>101589888
Ginjou had to fight Ichigo so Ichigo would perfect his Fullbring, which was crucial to their plan. So yes, he did.

I already explained that he thought his side had much better odds, especially when it came to Ginjou (highly respected by all the Fullbringers ect). He did nothing to help because Hitsugaya froze him and had him at swordpoint; the kid had zero battle experience and you're expecting more than his character demands. In other words, you're just being a retard.

And Ichigo was arguably faster than Byakuya in Bankai; Ichigo being faster than either Byakuya or Tsukishima doesn't mean they both can't be fast. Circular logic, ect.
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>>101590020
But they already explained where they got their powers and how the Hogyoku works
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>>101590020
>When readers have to speculate how things work you've done something wrong.
In that case Shakespeare's the worst writer to have ever lived.
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>>101588067
>>101588420
But that's just cheesy. Byakuja wasn't afraid of dying, he was afraid of Ruikia dying and had graphic images of her death..
As Nodt was interesting because no matter what, everything with awareness can feel fear, Ruikia should have been able to fear being defeated, or having her existense dissapeared, but to nullify that by freezing her own body was just lame. I'd rather see her still use her powers while she fights againts fear itself, but for this to be over so quick is just an insult
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>Rukia died
>apparently its some other person controlling her body

Wtf? Fucking dropped
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So does anyone else think everyone is just over thinking the whole thing?

I stopped having faith in Bleach after Ichigo had a fake Zangetsu for the whole show.
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>>101590662
That's not what happen you tard
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Cant believe this shit is still ongoing.
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>>101590682
I only stick around for Rukia now.
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>>101590705
I fear one piece will never end
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>>101590191
>Ginjou had to fight Ichigo so Ichigo would perfect his Fullbring, which was crucial to their plan. So yes, he did.

No he didn't. Tsukishima could've did it.

>He did nothing to help because Hitsugaya froze him and had him at swordpoint

He saw Jackie was losing and tried to kill them both. He didn't try to save her at all, and this was before Hitsugaya got there.

It's safe to say he would've did that for his other comrades too. It was retarded.

>Ichigo being faster than either Byakuya or Tsukishima doesn't mean they both can't be fast.

No one else has been seen to dodge Byakuya's blades, if it all it took were regular shunpo it wouldn't be a big deal to dodge it.

Since it was a big deal, it's safe to say you need to be as fast as Ichigo's bankai to dodge it. But Tsukishima was slower.

Not even Zimammori who was fast as shit could dodge his blades.

>>101590316
People theorize on the message of shakespeare's works, not how the story's universe functions, there's a big difference between the two.

The bleach universe doesn't work the same as ours.
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>>101590731
I just want that RukiaXIchigo, but hey let's just hope that this is the final arc.
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Anyone have the newest reaction image that included Rukia.
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>>101590705
At least it's not Everyone dies but somehow doesn't the Manga
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> -273.15 degrees
>Absolute zero
>I'm going to be fast

No, you're going to be immobile. If you move, then you're not at absolute zero.
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>>101590996
Confrimed shitposter did not read what she said before hand
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>>101590769
What difference would it make? He could feel the same evil intention from either of them, besides they needed someone to play the bad guy to motivate Ichigo.

Jackie lost, therefore to Yukio she was expendable if it meant killing Renji. You're only proving my point that he's a bratty kid who didn't really care for his comrades as people, excluding Ginjou.

Yoruichi uses regular shunpo and was confirmed in SS to be faster than Byakuya. Tsukishima being fast isn't why he was able to dodge Senbonzakura; once he had cut a single petal his ability made it so he knew all of Byakuya's attacks- simply put he could predict all of his moves. His baseline speed has at least high enough to match his knowledge.
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>>101591057
She says she uses reiatsu to keep her body alive, but nothing moves at absolute zero.

It's not shitposting, it's bullshit, but it's Beleach.
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>>101591220
>Don't blink I can only move for 4 secs in this state

Confirmed for not even reading it
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>>101591220
>but nothing moves at absolute zero.
Apparently spirit particles do.
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>>101590316
>In that case Shakespeare's the worst writer to have ever lived.

He is.
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>>101591345
Well consider my fedora tipped.
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>>101591220
Can you explain what reiatsu is?No. Do you know what effects it has on the body? No.
So shut up.
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>>101591415
Not going to type all that shit out but on lab members site there is a pic that explains all three forms of reiatsu is
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>>101591371
>muh classic literature

He's overrated as fuck
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>>101591220
And all of Soul Society should have been melted to oblivion by "as hot as the Sun" Yamamoto. Spirit physics are not 100% equivalent to real physics.
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>>101591542
Does it really have any bearing on the topic at hand? Take it to /lit/.
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>>101591415
I'm not arguing that she can't move things using only spirit energy. That's fine. It's what Uryu did in his fight with Mayuri.

The point is that temperature is a measure of motion. Literally. So absolute zero really means that something isn't moving. Thus, if it moves, it can't be at absolute zero.

But this is stepping into sci-fi territory, and sci-fi authors have never been known for regularly devising staggering ideas that could actually be carried out. Just saying that this mistake's pretty cringe-worthy.
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>>101591777
see
>>101586738
Next time read the chapter
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>>101591836
that doesn't explain moving in absolute zero

at all
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>>101592248
Seriously? All the things that have happen in bleach and your mad that absolute zero is not portrayed %100 right?
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>>101592364
I'm not mad, I'm just saying the chapter doesn't explain it and >>101591836 is acting like it makes "perfect sense"

It's obvious that it's reiatsu magic.
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>>101592248
You don't get it; she's not actually moving at Absolute Zero, and she herself is implying that she can't move at absolute zero. The four seconds she has to attack are the four seconds "until she reaches absolute zero".

You can blame the translation but this is the obvious assumption to draw from her wording. Considering how quickly her temperature was dropping within three panels, the obvious conclusion is that she had not reached -273 until just as she was hitting As Nodt.
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>>101592499
Thank you I did not want to spell it out for the guy. I wanted him to use his brain.
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>>101591836
She is animating herself with reishi which is not effected by the fact that she literally froze time on soul reaper body. It is the ultimate freeze, and she can only maintain that form for 4 seconds. After that I guess her time would start flowing again and she would start to warm up.
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>>101592671
No, the reishi animation is what allowed her to move past freezing temp. altogether. >>101592499
is more accurate.
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>>101573229
Sigh...referring to it as the Shikai's TRUE form because Shinigami can't trancend above Bankai...which Rukia hasn't even ACHIEVED yet!
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>>101592749
Bankais can evolve though
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>>101592499
>You can blame the translation but this is the obvious assumption to draw from her wording.
>assumption

You have to make an assumption which means your speculating to MAKE the words fit to your liking.

She clearly says Absolute Zero, if she didn't mean absolute zero, she would say the temperature is near absolute zero.

There would be no point to saying "absolute zero"
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>>101592749
The difference between Shikai and Bankai isn't that simple.
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>>101592873
What? No they can't.
If you haven't mastered the full potential of your Bankai it can be mistook for 'evolution' once you fully master it, but they don't actually evolve.
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>>101593016
Um yeah they can Yammy even said so when he was fighting fake bach when he talked about Ichigo
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They're all spirits.

They weren't "alive" to begin with.
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>>101592999
Directly translating anything from Japanese to English leaves out a number of implications which may be crucial to understanding the exact wording of the author. Not to mention internet scantilators are unpaid, unprofessional, and underqualified. I feel I gave an explanation both fitting to the context and to your specifications; if you want to know the exact dialogue I recommend learning Japanese.
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>>101593080
Yama was saying "You're afraid of Ichigo and you can't steal his Bankai because he still has potential to grow and evolve." He didn't say "Ichigo's Bankai is evolving."
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>>101593167
Why bother posting if you don't even read the thread?
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>>101593270
He still said "evolve"
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>>101593270
Still said that bankai can evolve though like having multiple forms and what not
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Rukia's new shikai is even more ridiculous than Yumichika's. Are kido types pretty much the strongest?
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>>101593270
He says "Still has room to evolve"
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The guy eyes to what Rukia say is priceless. It's like he didn't believe he was to be Kubo'd this hard.
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>>101593617
at first I thought she hit him with his own power, and him being defeated was just his own fear fucking with him.
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I'm disappointed. I expected Rukia to say that she doesn't fear anything because she was so close to death in the rescue Rukia arc. Instead she gets a shikai that's more powerful than Hitsugaya's bankai.
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>>101593459
The translation might not be 100%, evolution is change, changing from old to new, Bankais don't change, they improve as their owner becomes more adept at using it. Ichigo's bankai wasn't 100% matured at that point, thats why Yama said that. Besides you can't take what Yama said seriously he was wrong about plenty during that fight which lead to his death.

>>101593371
Multiple forms aren't the Bankai evolving, the multiple forms are just different abilities under the same power that are taught by the zanpaktou during training.
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>>101593617
They are a better reaction to getting Kubo'ed than
"But that doesn't even make sense!" and that's quite a feat
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Just imagining how many people will die to prove Bach's "Power" after he's absorbed all of his power back inside himself is making me sick.
Honestly Bach was already powerful enough as he was, but now he's just going to be absurd.
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I stopped reading Bleach around the time we found out Ichigo's dad is a shinigami. What'd I miss?
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>>101593926
Yammy was espada 0.
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>>101593926
That's like 200+ chapters worth of plot development, go find out for yourself.
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>>101593926
Ichigo's mon was a quincy.
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>>101594055
>implying I care that much
I just wanna know if Orihime still a best.
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>>101594109
2/10 try the other thread
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>>101594038
>>101594062
Jesus. I knew there was a good reason I dropped this shit. I remember when people were like "It's so cool, and yet Kubo didn't even plan on any of this! He just went with the flow!" Now look where we are.
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Here's the problem: The method of Rukia's Absolute Zero technique doesn't line up as a proper counter to the Fear Effect.

Hypothesis: It was supposed to, but the result would make Rukia broken as fuck and stronger than any opponent Bleach protags could ever face.

Control: We maintain the Absolute Zero technique's affect, and alter only one thing

Variable: Rukia's foresight. Give Rukia something that borders clairvoyance as far as combat is concerned. Have her be able to make plans leapyears ahead of her opponent by reading their profile, movements, mannerisms, speech, etc.

Predicted Result: She reads Dolt's moves and techniques fifteen steps ahead, before he even makes them. And "preprograms" her reishi to act accordingly before even activating her zanpakutou's effect

Conclusion: Kubo didn't do this because that would make Rukia stronger than any set of cock and balls in the manga. Lest you all forget, this is Bleach.
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>>101594263
Cool opinions bro.
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>>101594340
>Kubo didn't do this because that would make Rukia stronger than any set of cock and balls in the manga. Lest you all forget, this is Bleach.
Sadly, you're right. And the fanboys wouldn't take it too well if Rukia were one of the strongest.
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>>101594340
I know you're trying, but I really don't see where you're going with this. Are you trying to say Rukia's technique is too strong regardless of opponent, or that it was simply too convenient to the plot to have her counter As Nodt?
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>>101594519
He's saying the Absolute Zero technique as it is, isn't a counter to As Nodt.
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>>101592873
No they can't. They just "don't reach their full potential" yet.

Once they do, that's it. You've basically hit the roof of your skills. And as Aizen said, the only way to get more powerful than Bankai is to become a hollow.
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>>101594592
I know he's saying that, I'm just not getting an explanation as to why. His fear ability requires a "living" body (ie one that can feel fear) and Rukia's technique effectively kills her bodyand controls it with an advanced Reishi technique.
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>>101594340
Well, technically speaking since she's now reached the full potential of her SHIKAI (not Bankai mind you, Shikai), and since she's the female lead of Bleach, she kind of IS broken as fuck.

Oh wait, what was that? My Absolute Zero move is not strong enough...well let me show you my BANKAI bitches!

Also, Rukia's counter to the fear is based off the fact that the "fear" runs in the blood. And Rukia can go Absolute Zero and freeze that blood. Bullshit I know, but that's how it works.
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>>101576768

She becomes the absolute cero
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>>101576768
Whatever the fuck it is, it'll be big.

Don't forget, Rukia is the female lead of Bleach after all.
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>>101595245
>in b4 someone comes in with some bullshit claiming otherwise
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>>101594519
To be properly dead and unfeeling is the point of the race to absolute zero as a technique. Disbelief arises in that she's actively manipulating her body through her power DURING this time, which means higher brain function is still possible, therefore making her completely susceptible to the Fear Effect.

The proper compliment to said technique would be combat foresight—being able to read, predict, and counter the opponent's movements and strategies.

I'm saying if Rukia possessed that level of foresight where she can set her body to "auto" via preset reishi and counter Fear Effect, then she would have something that would, on a vast whole, make her broken as fuck as far as strategy is concerned in this battle comic.

She'd be Frozen Shinigami Batman, to make things a bit clear.

And this is Bleach, so we can't have that.

>>101594934
You sound like you're overcompensating.
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ARENT SHINIGAMI ALREADY DEAD
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>>101595534
Me? Overcompensating? I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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>>101575582
He would be completely incapacitated by the sheer force of his orgasm.
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>>101595534
>higher brain function is still possible, therefore making her completely susceptible to the Fear Effect.
Remember the previous chapter when she was studying As Nodt technique and said "So this is...?" or something like that? She was basically already determining that it needed some sort of host to work. I think it's more accurate to say she "tricked" his ability rather than completely nullified it, since it thought she was a corpse.

And once her body temp went below freezing most body functions would stop, let alone absolute zero (0K, -273C). I'm assuming it was the reishi technique that was keeping her "alive".

So I guess you're right, but also wrong? I don't really feel like arguing thermodynamics anymore today so its cool if you disagree or whatever.
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>>101595592
ur mums dead
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>>101593459
That could be interpreted as growth though. And shinigami fighting with an incomplete bankai isn't something new in the bleachverse.
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>>101595534
The whole freezing her body kills the fear instinct. And as As Nodt has to use physical attacks to trigger the fear instinct and make it go overdrive, it's pretty useless against her body.
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>>101591119
>He could feel the same evil intention from either of them, besides they needed someone to play the bad guy to motivate Ichigo.
Here's an idea. Have Facebook stab Ichigo. They create a puppet villain or whatever fuck to motivate him, since "protecting muh friends" is too vague(even though that's what we got), and then when the time comes have a fakeout of "Ichigo, you know how Facebook can add people's power to his own when he's stabbed them? By /bookmarking/ their power? Well, he can lend that power to someone else, me, Ginjo. The only way to beat this guy is to hit him as hard as possible all at once. I'm gonna need to borrow your power."

And with Facebook's fucking power, Ichigo'd know all this, and never consider otherwise since he's such a friend. But no, IF THERE'S A 0% CHANCE OF FAILURE IT'S NOT FUN.
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>>101576768
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_temperature
Negative T, she will leave her enemy frozen in time at an undefined temperature that is simultaneously the coldest and hottest object in existence.

Broken as fuck
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>>101596707
Did it actually take you two hours to come up with that?
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Practically everybody is fucking dead in Bleach, it can safely be assumed that "death" just refers to not being able to exist anymore.

Rukia's ability appears to be to bring her body and sword down to absolute zero, yet still be capable of changing their locations and retaining her consciousness via manipulating Reiatsu, i.e. Kubomagic.

As for the whole "fear" thing, if the psychology/neurology piece isn't your cup of tea, think of brains as hard drives. Fearfag there is probably trying to either stop the hard drive from moving or slip "fearful" data into it while it's spinning around to fuck with it, but Rukia upgraded to solid state because she isn't a pleb. Her reiatsu was the only thing in a dynamic, "thinking" state and I'd suppose you can't really scare spiritual energy using a static body any more than you could scare electricity running through a wire. I read the chapter about 10 minutes ago and this seemed like a (relatively) obvious matter, looks like some people need to brush up on their Kubo.

So Kubo physics aside, Rukia confirmed coolest girl.
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>>101597537
I don't know, she seemed pretty cold in this chapter.
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Is there an updated one of these?
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>>101597830
Lab Member posted a newer one before with the previous chapter included.
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>>101597640
Well, she's canonically the least hot individual in the series now.

Dat cold ass is still tappable as fuck, though.
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>mfw this entire chapter
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>>101598219
I got the joke, yay
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>>101598361
>announcing it
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>2012+2
>Still reading babby's 2nd manga (after Naruto)
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>>101598948
My first manga was King of Bandits Jing, what was yours?
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>>101585527
Wait...isn't aging eating and even being able to reproduce tied to the ability to consume reishi, and the more reishi you use the faster you age?
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>>101598063
Fuck you, she's the hottest one.
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>>101599097
You watched the Bount arc, didn't you? If you did, unwatch it. No seriously, you did yourself a huge disservice. Go to page one of the manga and start reading.
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>>101599163
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Just went through this whole thread of bitching. Here's my piece. Rukia's shikai is "OP" as some of you say but when she goes to absolute zero she can only move for 4 seconds before she can't anymore. From what I gather she can only do that cus some rieshi controlling technique she learned from the real niggas up high.
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>>101586439
Ichigo has never once actually used any real shinigami powers.

Well, when he is taken over by his true bankai/sword spirit he does, but it's pretty much a fusion of shinigami and hollow powers.
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>>101599267
I got the joke.

>Least hot one
ohohohohoho because her power is ice based, so funnay.

Still had to make it clear that she's the hottest.
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>>101599367
Why would you reply to a post from over five hours ago?
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>>101573229
Well I admit that the royal guard training sort of screw over the power levels. The second invasion sort of went bad after renji and rukia reappearance. Let's just hope that the royal guards are evil and this is all part of their plan.
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>>101599378
>Still had to make it clear that she's the hottest.

I thought this was a well-known fact already. I wasn't trying too hard.

Regardless, I do apologize. Rukia's voluptuous body is indeed a sight to behold.
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>>101573229
Final arc. Kubo is free to give out power ups to every character he deems worthy.
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>>101599727
I apologize myself.

I'm just happy to see Rukia after so long and anons in thread won't let me live in my delusion that her new power isn't broken as fuck.

I just wanted her to be the best... not the strongest, but like when she fought aruneruorororororooI know that's wrong. She got her ass kicked, but she held her own and came through in the end.
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>>101599249
No, in the manga it was stated a while back that people who came there and didn't need to eat or anything were essentially immortal and unchanging versions of themselves when they died.
Until they become hungry, which is the first manifestation of their ability to mold/control reishi happens, they will never ever change or grow old or be able to reproduce.

Isn't that what was stated when they first got to soulsociety?
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>>101573229
So instead of having to defeat As Nodt's fearsome, Kubo decided to take the easy way around and have a protagonist nullify it altogether.

Great.
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>>101599746
It's a power surge bonanza!!!!
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>>101599959
Bleach match ups has always been like this. Remember byakuya vs zommari? Senbonzakura conveniently counter zommari abilities.
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>>101599920
Ask and ye shall receive, Kubo definitely browses /a/ despite claiming not to know English, that sneaky bastard. Must be reading our hearts
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>>101594745
What about captain commander and the original kenpachi?
didn't they grow more powerful or was it YOU AM MORE POWERFUL JUST BECAUSE kind of thing?

As for not reaching their full potential, aizen was basically broken in power, but why couldn't he become powerful enough to take on zero squad on his own? What seperates them from the regular shinigami?

He's right in that hollowification is a way to become even more powerful, breaking the boundary leads to immense power. Look at ichigo for instance.

When he used his real shinigami powers he became utterly invincible as compared to when he used his "shiniquincy" powers.

But that doesn't actually tell us WHY aizen was so utterly convinced that either hollowfication was the only way to enhance their powers and why he and gin didn't actually get hollowfied themselves.
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>>101599554
Why not?

Someone would either pick up the conversation or be enlightened/entertained by what I wrote.
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These last chapters have been kinda good, i mean one of the strong points of Bleach was the eerie, thriller atmosphere, but they saturated the series with too much shounen power level bullshit. these past chapters had some of that, but also they feel so empty, like nothing is happening, this is something that has been in bleach since hueco mundo and their eternal fights.
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>>101600596
Things will get better once we see shunsui and ukitake fights.
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>>101599923
You're substituting "Reishi" for "Reiatsu"; they're not the same thing.
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People saying her power is broken are retarded.

It makes complete since for why she was able to defeat fear.
I say she's had a long time coming for a new power and the fact that it seems to be a really strong one, well I say the more the better.

>inb4 next chapter her body starts to decompose and she dies and/or needs to be rescued from this fight like always.
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>I'm already dead
Oh boy did she get in touch with the Ghost part of being a Shinigami?

>I'm dead CAUSE MY BODY IS TECHNICALLY FROZEN AND MOLECULES AREN'T MOVING
Nope. Bleach is shit.
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>>101600872
>MOLECULES AREN'T MOVING
That's what being dead means.

Her body is shutting down. The only reason she is still alive is because she trained with shirayuki and can sustain her life force for a short period of time, unlike her foes who can't and won't be expecting it.

That's why anons are saying absolute zero is broken because if you think about it, it's a very powerful move.
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I don't really mind her new power that much since it has a time limit.
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>tfw when once Rukia reaches a conscious state of absolute zero every atom in her body becomes Bose–Einstein condensate
>tfw Rukia can control events at a quantum level
>tfw Rukia can control local probability, causality, and temporal flow
>tfw Rukia is a living miracle and the most powerful character in Bleach
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>>101601375
>she defeats Bach
>becomes Captain Commander
>things turn sour with Ichigo
>she puts Ichigo in a coma for 1000 years
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>>101601375
It's like everything I wrote in my fan-fiction finally came true!
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Kubo dances around chapter to chapter making it look like typical shonen shenanigans that make next to no sense, only to blast your entire PoV on Bleach to pieces with a twist that takes no more effort than a gentle tug or nudge because either it was set up with either such a ridiculous amount of foresight that it would put most artists to shame, or just the most audacious asspull anyone's ever seen. It's practically impossible to tell the difference and it's still one hell of a feat either way, though the ease of it all is somehow still infuriating.

Being thoroughly Kubo'd is truly better than sex; you understand next to nothing of what's happening yet you love every bit of it for reasons so beyond your comprehension that you question existence itself, but your body can only muster orgasmic tremors in response because it seems to be understanding the story far better than your brain is attempting to. Nothing beats a solid dose of Kubo and he'll deliver it at the perfect time, not a moment sooner.

>>101599997
As the final arc, it's a given insane powers are going to be flying all over the place.

It's all in the execution, making it work and whatnot. And I'll be fucked if Kubo isn't the one nutjob capable of taking that to the highest degree there is.
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So she says her veins are frozen and she is still moving around because Reishi. Wouldn't her veins still shatter.
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>>101601982
Peach it brother
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Okay which is the more bullshit "science" power?

Minority World from Toriko
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Absolute Zero Rukia
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>>101602191

She isn't just frozen, she's at absolute zero and every molecule and atom in her body has stopped moving. She is basically a human stasis field. She can't be affected by anything because she is immobile at the atomic level. She only moves by the manipulation of probability within her local sphere of control.
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>>101601982
Kubo's main problem from my perspective is that he creates new characters every week.

There's nothing wrong with this per se, but it just becomes over bearing to the point that 50 chapters later you completely forget who gromjaw and sad butterfly man were.

It's apparent to everyone who watched and read bleach that the SS arc was the best.
I think it was because of the characters.

Here Kubo shows a place that is supposed to be considered heaven. Since what Rukia and other shinigami told to the spirits who they sent there that they would be happy and would never feel hunger.

Yet instantly this image of heaven that we all had is replaced with a military style of living where the richest and strongest or on top living in decent homes while the souls who just couldn't quite make it are forced to live in squalor.

It actually made you stop and think for a second who these people were and what they were trying to accomplish.

Hell even now I still think Sould Society are the bad guys simpkly because of all the bullshit they pulled.
The Quincy have every right to start a war, since most of them were slaughtered by Soul Society, regardless of if it was for the greater good.
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>>101602462
>every molecule and atom in her body has stopped moving
So she is frozen. I could understand if her Reishi would levitate her immobile body, but unless her joints weren't frozen she would shatter.
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>>101573229
Really? I thought he's been doing pretty good these last few chapters.

I mean, if you ignore the glaring potholes that breathe down your neck. Or the ridiculous 10 pages with no backgrounds (no really, 30% of the panels even have shit looking buildings)

You have to take the chapters in for what they are in that one or two chapter. Don't ask questions, you will quickly find new plotholes that will piss you off. like how Rukia knows she can stay at absolute zero for 4 seconds, or the fact that moving objects can't be at absolute zero. FUCK SHIT FUCK DAMN IT!!

He tries so hard to make power levels and rankings obsolete, but it hurts the logic of this story. I mean, imagine Luffy struggling against an opponent that Ussup could take out easily. Sure, certain situations could make it possible, but even, luffy would find a way.
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>>101602350
Minority World, Absolute Zero is something theoretical physicists have been playing around with for quite a while and there's actual mechanics behind it, though whether or not Kubo understands them is still up in the air. Minority world is more of an idea trying to push its way into reality, so it isn't even really a "science" power to begin with.
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>>101602673
No, if movement exists at all then it can't be called Absolute Zero.

Being frozen is one thing, but the Absolute denies the possibility of all entropy or kinetic energy from the start.
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>>101602673
No atom in her physical form moves once she has triggered the power, she only changes the probability that she is in a certain position, or in a certain space, she never actually moves, she just moves between the "frames" of reality.
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>>101602673
Go learn quantum physics and pull some creativity out of your ass if you want to figure it out yourself pleb, this is a Bleach we're talking about here.

There's been a couple admirable attempts at hypothesizing whats happening, but none even flirt with the bare minimum of what could be called "Kubo". Try this one on for size.

She's substituting the SM and quantum mechanics THEMSELVES with comparable interactions occuring within her own reiatsu, effectively creating a set of universal laws completely unique to herself and substituting the heat presence normally required for molecules to move by each other with a specifically propertized quality of reiatsu designed specifically for that purpose. Of course, this would mean Rukia has a real-time comprehension of the workings of the universe as applied to everything else as well as complete awareness and control over the one she's working in. If so, Steven Hawking is a just a drooling faggot in a wheelchair compared to Rukia's brilliance.
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>>101603815
Holy fuck. No goddamn wonder her body can't handle the rigors of that, she's probably busy using both it and her brain as biocalculators for whatever crazy shit she's figuring and she wants to prevent damage to it just like how you wouldn't want to drop your graphing calculator during a calc test. She puts the importance of her capacity to pull this shit off way above anything else

Rukia is bestgirl no matter what universe she's in.
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>>101573229
If liking Rukia wasn't necrophilia before, it is now
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>>101602494
>creates new characters every week
You mean every arc.
>Kubo shows a place that is supposed to be considered heaven
No, that's not what Soul Society is, quit putting your judeochristian values into an Eastern setting
>Hell even now I still think Sould Society are the bad guys
And that makes the Quincy the good guys? They're still evil even if Soul Society is evil, that's the fucking point.
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>>101601375
>tfw Rukia is a living miracle and the most powerful character in Bleach
So she's Orihime? Welcome to absolute obscurity Ms. Kuchiki, leave your zanpakto at the door, you won't need it where you're going
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>>101603815

Not bad, not bad at all.
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>>101603815
My god. I love a proper explanation of that.
Good on you. I would have just said she was using magic to make a separate body sized mini fridge universe that bled through causing everything around it to freeze.

What you said and how you said it got this pic outa me.
God damn I love that midget.
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So, Rukia is relevant again?
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>>101606200
Shocking I know.

It only took about 100 chapters.
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>>101574302
Everyone's power is convenient in Bleach.
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>>101600163
no it didn't. Kido countered Zommari's power.
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>>101603815
Rukia is best girl.
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>>101606200
Give it a few chapters.
She'll fall back to irrelevancy along with Renji,.
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>>101606650

>zommari can control up to a set number of things a a time
>Senbonzakura is that number x1000
>not convenient

Power interaction has always been a large part of Bleach fights. Sometimes they end up as stomps. Remember Matsumoto VS Kira? He got wrecked because he couldn't affect her weapon.
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>>101607507
That fight was a decade ago, so no.
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>>101590990
>Who is Hiyori
>Who is Ichigo
>Who is Orihime
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ahem.. reiatsu.
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>>101576768
Hitsugaya already said there isn't really any difference in the power of his shikai and bankai, the real difference is area of effect. Could be a hint that all ice swords are like that.
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>>101608579
Or it could not be.
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I don't mind Rukia's power, honestly. What really makes me sad is how hard As Nodt just jobbed. He was the most badass Quincy on the battlefield, IMO.
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>>101584424
>Ichigo was never very fast to begin with.
Did you even read bleach. It was kinda his thing for the first 100 or so chapters.
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>>101608743
It was, until the bad guys ended up being just as fast/faster than him, ultimately leading up to his shikai becoming obsolete and useless
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>>101608854
It was his bankai that made him sanic fast and even then Byakuya was still able to keep up with him the first time he used it.
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>>101586114
>still waiting on what the hell that form Ichigo took when he fought Ulquiorra
Wtf are you talking about, he lost control and his zanpaktou/hollow fusion took over. As with every other time Hichigo took over..
I mean it's fairly obvious that while Ichigo progressed, so did Hichigo..
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>>101583797
>>Tsukishima being fast enough to dodge Byakuya's flying blades when Ichigo had to go Bankai to do it
It wasn't so much that he was fast, but had instead co-opted the experience needed to not have to be fast: he learnt a major weakness and exploited it. Plus Ichigo by that point in the story had only just learnt how to flash step, Tsukishima had done the fullbring version for much longer.
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>>101588876
It was a combination?

The exposure to such intense reiatsu from ichigo allowed many people to be able to see spirit beings, for people like chad and orihime, who had slumbered powers, it caused a forced awakening of them. Chad is confirmed to be a fullbring power, whereas Orihime's is still unknown. As for the Hogyoku, it was instigated by sending hollows to them causing them to have to use their abilities? That or it was just Aizen mouthing off, as that was also said to happen.

How is that hard to understand? Makes sense to me.
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>>101590769
>not how the story's universe functions
>Implying bleach is near ending.
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>>101573229
That's really retarded.
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>>101609377

Hello, welcome to the beginning of the thread. I suggest reading the whole thing before posting next time, so that you don't waste time going over subjects everyone else has already figured out.
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>>101591220
It's a manga dickhead. And one that's all aout crazy abilities. Didn't realise abilities had to be completely logical. Go suck your dads cock somewhere else.
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ITT: people still don't understand that Rukia did not die in this chapter
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>>101595534
The absolute zero attack is probably her finisher though. Seem's like she was doing an Ichigo v Azien style overpower finisher. Where she goes all out to end it quickly. She probably can't sustain the ability for very long. And will probably be useless after this fight for a while.
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>>101593459
>m: The method of Rukia's Absolute Zero technique doesn't line up as a proper counter to the Fear Effect.
>Hypothesis: It was supposed to, but the result would make Rukia broken as fuck and stronger than any opponent Bleach protags could ever face.

Damn, the old man was a mother fucker
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>>101596379
Got 'im.
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I don't understand why people are trying to make this more difficult than it actually is

As Nodt's spikes release a black liquid that induces fear in its victim, rukia notices that while dodging

By making her body absolute zero, the black liquid that touches her has no effect because it has no molecules that it can feasibly interact with

Therefore she is immune to As Nodt's fear power since the black gunk can't technically physically affect her
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>>101610374
Thank you.
Finally someone else gets it.
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As far as movement goes, it's really likely that the exterior of rukias body (upper few layers rather than the whole thing) are reduced to absolute zero, and her mind and brain are still functioning.

She then is probably moving herself similarly to how Ishida moved himself in the Ishida Vs Mayuri fight, using reishi puppet strings despite the fact that his whole body was paralyzed. Apparently this technique works even with the body is broken to the point of not technically being able to move so I don't see why it wouldn't work for rukia either.
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>>101597830
Hahaha that was great.
Link to more?
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>>101610374
Because, while that may be a semi-logical explanation, that's not the one that we were given, but one you constructed because your brain can't actually handle the kubo of the actual explanation and simply rewrites the words as you read them into a form that you can comprehend. Others have had years of kubotepretative experience enabling them to experience kubo in short doses. This thread is them trying to put fragments together.
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Tfw I love bleach and have loved every chapter.
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>>101610676
I get that you're trolling, but the translation I read makes it pretty clear that what I said is the case

A: "freezing has no effect, my 'fear' (the black liquid) doesn't need an open wound to seep or spread" This implies it just needs to make contact with the skin in order to infect/affect the victim

R: "My body is below zero, my molecules are in a suspended state, your fear has nothing it can interact with"

A: "That's impossible, a body below zero can't produce the chemical reactions required to sustain life"

R: "I'm moving and functioning temporarily through reishi manipulation"

I cut out unnecessary parts but that doesn't really leave much room for interpretation. It's pretty clear that as nodt's fear poison can't seep in to rukias skin cause her skin is frozen solid
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>>101610982
>I get that you're trolling

What fucking happened to the world when obvious jokes get interpreted as 'trolling'? Can people not just smile and laugh instead of going "he must be acting stupid to get a rise out of me?" Where did your innocence and belief in others go?
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>>101611019
I thought what you said was funny, I just wanted to clear things up when people less intelligent than you inevitably find themselves agreeing with what you said
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>>101611019
>Innocence
>Belief in others
>4chan
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>>101611019
lurk more
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>>101610891
my sides
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>>101573229
its a stupid powerup that makes little to no sense but whatever. i dont think many people here are pretending that bleach is really great or has amazin writing. its entertaining and ive been enjoying this arc so far. yeah its a dumb asspull but thats what bleach has been for a while. besides it fuckin RUKIA, be happy
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>>101606494
>100 chapters
Try about 300 or so.
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>>101608629
Ok.. Thank you for your imput.
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>>101608854
Hence why I said 100 or so chapters. He was fast im comparison to SS, but the enemies stepped it up.

Not to mention it was a fake sword and his new one will most likely have some reasonable abilities.
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>You will never get a absolute zero handjob from Rukia
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>>101611499
>Implying you'd want her to freeze your dick off.
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>>101611595
>implying you wouldn't
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>>101611595
Bliss
R34 when?
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>people that still read Bleach say One Piece is bad
That's crazy talk. Don't put down a good manga to justify your love of a manga that has long since turned to shit. I used to be like you, and I'm sorry things worked out this way, but pointing out the few flaws One Piece has isn't going to make you any less stupid for still reading Bleach. At least Naruto fans have the grace to admit Naruto is terrible now. What needs to happen in Bleach for you guys to do the same?
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>>101582489
I want to rub my dick on those shoulder blades.

>>101582538
It's not the first time.
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This is her Shikia just how overpowered would her bankai be if she ever unlocks it.
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>>101612316
>freezing the soul fragments of YHVH to severely weaken him
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>>101573229
I can't think up of a worse fight in bleach
lots of crap talking from either side, then one of them dies. The whole fear potential was instantly dumped because powerlevels.
not even mention shinigami being living or having temperature.
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>>101574256
miss this
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Rukia is GAR as shit right now, best Rukia.
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>tfw Bleach will never be solely about Rukia being cocky as fuck
>tfw it'll always and forever be KUBO outside of based Rukia
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>rukia has no brain activity for emotions
>can still talk and act like a smartass

WAT?
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>>101612431
>lots of crap talking from either side, then one of them dies
They both dead though. Like double dead dead.
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>>101613185
Being a smartass has nothing to do with emotions. You can be a smartass and not feel emotions.
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>>101613185
>>rukia has no brain activity for emotions
[citation needed] She does have brain activity you fucking retards.
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>>101613185
She's supercooled her neurons to the point they're superconductors. This somehow makes her super smart.
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>>101613216
You're a fucking retard. Kill yourself.
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>>101613216
I refuse to believe anyone is this stupid.
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Well guys, I might've just developed a hypothetical PoV for looking at the world of Bleach that may result in some serious Level 3-4 predictions if I share it and let you guys play with the concepts a bit.

I was writing up a post making another attempt at figuring out what the hell is going through Kubo's head with no specific goal in mind, but instead of trying to look at it from a typical literary reader/writer to figure stuff out, I decided to try my hand at working my way through key points of the story following Aizen's outwardly expressed views and using them not to put myself in his shoes, but rather to understand how he came to stand in them and why he choose to keep standing in them using the significant amount of context provided about the working of the universe as well as taking into account some basic tendencies of both individual people and those of the kind of society that come about given a wide variety of circumstances.

Every time I reach a point where I needed some kind of data confirmation to keep going and went to look it up, it's like there was some statement made somewhere that fits the bill perfectly. A couple times, and it's convenient. When it keeps happening time after time, it starts feeling like there was some preexisting expectation that I would be looking for that tiny shred of evidence for something that I know's going to be terribly vague until it's full pieced together, and done so well. Word count is 1.24k atm and there's more to go yet.
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>>101612822
>>101613185
>>101613195
>>101613216
>>101613265
>>101613285
>>101613290
>>101613317

D-did I interrupt something?
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How do molecules work in spirit realm?
This is Air Gear level of bullshit I sware
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>>101613317
I prefer this one

Although I believe a combination, with the senbaitzakura plus the shinigami fish would be supreme
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>>101613265
Tis just a brain wound
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Holy fucking shit these past few threads on this chapter have been filled with some of the worst posts I have seen. I'm not sure why that is maybe "I only read Bleach for Rukiafags" are actually trying to discuss he manga and end up being wrong most of the time? Is it that Mangapanda's translation was actually wrong and people misinterpreted what was happening? I'm not really sure, but let me clear somethings up that some people have wrong.

1: Rukia's ability allows her to control the temperature of her body. Now if she gets too cold she will die, but she didn't die because with her new reishi ability she is able to still be fine even though she should be dead.

2: Rukia did not beat As Nodt's ability by freezing her brain, getting rid of her fear, or some other bullshit you guys are saying. What happened is As Nodt's fear liquid needs to get into your body to work, but it didn't work for Rukia because her molecules are in a suspended state thus making As Nodt's fear liquid do nothing. Do you understand? Rukia was never hit with the fear ability in the first place. If As Nodt's ability did hit Rukia in this state it still would effect her.

3: Rukia did not fucking die this chapter. What happened is Rukia is supposed to be dead, but she isn't because of her Reishi ability. Understand? Not dead, but should be. I still can't believe people still don't understand this. Mangapanda's translation was bad and wrong.

4:Rukia is not in absolute zero all the time she can only be that cold for 4 seconds. Also all of you muh sciencefags please fuck off she can move in absolute zero because of her ability. Which means magic is involved not science. inb4 b-but muh logic. Nope fuck you pic related this is Bleach fuck your logic.

Seriously I don't know if you guys are actually this retarded or just pretending.
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>>101614182
I don't care eabout rukia or butchered physics.
Its like the fight or reason was discarded because Kubo didn't have a clue how to make it. Fear? Who cares, freeze ya ass, woop woop.
What's the point of bringing the power concept if you don't employ it.
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>People actually defending Bleach

Even in a Bleach thread you should realize this is unacceptable.

>>101613365
>When you die you don't REALLY die you just go to the place where if you die there you REALLY die THE END

That's always been awful and stupid.
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>>101582692
we fairy tail now?
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>>101614357
You don't get it at all. It's literally i'm possible to beat As Nodt's ability. There is literally nobody in Bleach that would be able to beat him without finding a way to counter his ability. Unless you're Mayuri i'm sure he could find some science way to get rid of his fear or something like that, but my point still stands Rukia had to find someway to not get effected by As Nodt's liquid so she made sure the liquid didn't get to her. That's all she just used her head in a fight instead of brute strength or some bullshit reason as to why she can't fell fear.
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>>101573229
I'm more surprised Kubo didn't keep this crap for his uber kuul Hitsugaya.
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>>101614890
Kubo hates Hitsugaya, its the fanbase keeping him alive
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>>101614592
Mayuri could simply fuck with his brains fear part
Boom instant counter
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>>101614435
Why? Because it doesn't match your religion's idea of an afterlife?
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How is "my ability is being dead" not so bad it's good?
Shit's just silly and stupid, which makes it fun.

Only LoN takes this shit seriously anyway.
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>>101614182
In both translations she straight out says that she is technically dead.
She just controls her body with reishi like a fucking puppet or something.
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>>101613317
>>101613369
Anybody remember when "THIS IS MY BAN KAI" was a meme? Usually it took the form of a thread of people posting ridiculous reaction images.
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>>101613338
Seeing how the first draft broke the text limit about 5 times over before I dropped it in Word, I'll just write out the whole thing, clean it up so it reads comfortably, then try condensing it as much as possible. Very few people want to read through a manga analysis that's written as a rambling philosophical discourse, but luckily it looks like be straightforward enough to make it a reasonable read.

It's the kind of thing that shouldn't be tossed out there half-done arbitrarily, but I've already put too much into it to leave it unfinished. It's getting posted in one form or another within the week sometime, ignore me for now because I'm not providing anything worthwhile yet. But when I do, I'll be counting on /a/ to criticize it nice and harshly with a savvy observation or two slipped into the jokes and insults. /a/ is always at it's absolute keenest when there's something shitty to be pointed out.

This next year (or three, it's Kubo here) will likely reveal whether Kubo is either a truly superb storyteller or one very, very confused writer. The "subtleties" if they can even be called that so low key enough that they could've certainly been intended as nothing more than their face value, but they'd suffice as foreshadowing for a finite number of very enticing possible scenarios and taking into account how Kubo usually conducts his story it isn't impossible to narrow the amount down even further. It'll make for some discussion of interest, at the absolute least.
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>>101615188
>implying ghosts can die
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>>101615543
Bleach ghosts are alive and are made out of ghost particles.
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>>101615543
They killed a load of ghosts in ghostbusters.
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>i'm currently not alive
uh..i missed the part where shinigamis were revived?
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>>101615275
Except you're wrong faggot. Get some reading comprehension. See pic related. As Nodt basically says if you get too cold you will die. Then Rukia explains how she is able to use her reishi to keep herself in this "I should be dead, but i'm not because reishi" state. Mangastream's translation is also pretty shitty, but it's not as bad as mangapanda's
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>>101615606
Shinigami have always been alive, it's just a different kind of alive to humans.
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>>101615757
You clearly cannot read. Let me point you towards two key factors in that page
>I am by definition, dead
>I have mastered the ability to function in a state of death
>in a state of death

She is dead, but can control herself like normal while being dead.
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>>101615757
>"I should be dead, but i'm not because reishi"
>I am by definition dead
>I have mastered the ability to function in a state of death
She's clearly saying she's dead, not that she should be but isn't. It's like the "she was dead for 5 minutes on the operating table" kind of dead though.
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>>101615900
This, she is temporarily dead, but unlike everyone else, she can move around and shit in that state now.
It's not like "I'm dead forever!" kind of dead, it's "Her body has stopped functioning, she is dead" kind of dead. The kind of dead you can revive from.
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>>101615369
What's the deal with those soul chain things that some plusses have? Ichigo had like a hexagonal plate with six dots, Orihime had six dots in a hexagonal pattern but no plate, the demi-hollow Don Kanonji molested just had the chain through the flesh like a piercing and no pattern or plate. I can't find any other clear examples of the chain and the connection to the spirit.
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>>101577128
Kenpachi and Unohana fight was year ago on valentines, right? We will see them soon, both allright kicking quincy next week, r-right? ;_;
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>>101615812
>>101615900
As Nodt says that if Rukia gets to cold she will die. Rukia says that she is that cold and should be by definition (considered) dead, but is able to function in this state of "death" because of her reishi ability. Which means she isn't really dead.
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>>101616120
>As Nodt says that if Rukia gets to cold she will die.
Yes, because this is what SHOULD happen, not what IS happening. As Nodt is not Rukia, he does not understand.

>Rukia says that she is that cold and should be by definition
No, no she does not. "SHOULD" implies that she is not, she does not use should. She says she IS by definition, dead.

You have no argument, you are relying on what a bystander says instead of what Rukia says herself.
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>>101616120
>but is able to function in this state of "death" because of her reishi ability. Which means she isn't really dead.
She's in a state of death but not really because no reason.
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>>101583274
>This chapter was cool
More like absolute zero cool
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>>101595534
It freezes before the point of entry into her body.

So the fear technique would still technically work on her, if she it could get past the "absolute zero" defense.
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>>101616097


>2 kenpachi stroll out of muken


>/a/ combusts
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>>101616178
Yes she is BY DEFINITION dead. Her body temperature is below zero therefore, by definition, she is dead, but we see her perfectly fine and not dead. This is enforced by her saying that she learned to function in this state. Point is she is not dead, but by definition, she should be, but isn't.
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>>101616059
With souls in Bleach, everything about them tends to be a reflection of that individual. The chain of fate is something every plus has, so it'd be safe to assume that if there's anything being represented at all, it's a particular kind of characteristic that's being displayed across the board. It tends to be the obvious answer more than not, and the chain connects the soul with the body.

If I'd hazard a guess, the properties of the chain are likely representative of the relationship between that specific body and soul set. The plate could indicate a resistance of some sort that Ichigo has but Orihime does not. The shape and number of points could be indicative of being human, the chain no longer having that and just piercing the flesh would make sense as something to show the decay of the soul-body relationship.

The more data to work with, the better the quality of the hypotheses that are possible to put together. If we got to see the chain of fate on an animal and it's, say, a triangle, then the hypothesis that it's indicating the type of body it's attached to would become that much more valid.

When there's something broad like the SS/SP's structure to examine, any indications of how particular characters feel about the state of things become quite valuable. The trick is to find bunch of a particular brand of data regarding a specific thing that's broad and too vague with just one piece, but with a large amount looking for logical themes/patterns is possible.
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>lolno we're already ded

irony is not lost on me kubo

but this is shit compared to masked wrestlers
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>Renji and Rukia finished with their stomps
>Just over a week until valentines day

Either Kenpachi next week or one week of plot development and Ken the week after.
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Do we really need to go through this again? Rukia being a shinigami and shinigami being dead are such basic elements of the story that the readers are getting the benefit of the doubt that they aren't dumb enough to take the comment as literal. Being already dead, there's only about 2 other things she could possibly be talking about. Either she means death as in the kind that shinigami undergo, or she's simply making a well-chosen metaphor for the effective state her body has entered. She's still up and kicking, so I'm willing to bet it's the latter.

Not only is it a fair comparison (death goes hand-in-hand with lacking movement/heat and the cold, it's rather appropriate if you think about it a little and don't expect authors to spoonfeed you detailed information of everything that's going on when it's clear in the first place), describing it as "death" to your enemy when their only weapon is fear is a respectable psychological move on her part by feeding him a dose of his own medicine. She's in, as she said, a "state of death". A reference between what her ability does to her body and the fact that dead things don't move under regular world physics.

If you still want an explanation to make you feel better, see >>101603815
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>>101615088
Didn't know that.
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>>101617967
Apologists pls go
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>>101617967
>shinigami being dead
Failed at the very beginning of your argument. Shinigami aren't dead, they're another form of life made of a different type of matter.
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>>101618787
Shinigami are dead humans with high reiatsu.
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So... the anime ended at 366, is that the end or is it just a temporary hiatus?
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>>101615579
You're confusing the ghosts with the actual Gods
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>>101619253
It's a weird case. When anime is canned due to low ratings, it's always announced one way or the other. If it's the case of necessary hiatus for manga to catch up, it's also announced publically. The bleach just ended.
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>>101575711
All those utterly irrelevant characters.
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>>101618758
Oh wow, you sure told me off with that nugget of wisdom. I'll be sure not to point out the obvious ever again.

>>101618787
They're dead from the human perspective. A shinigami's perspective on life/death is fundamentally different from a regular human's view, they're privy to how souls cycle about before, during, and after "death" plus they get all the perks of having a body made of reishi. The only true death in Bleach is erasure delivered from a quincy to a soul that became a hollow, but there's clearly something a bit fishy with the whole process.

I'm still waiting for a decent canon explanation of where all these quincies came from, Kubo'll have to explain it eventually but he has both terrible timing and pacing for a weekly manga.
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>>101619794
>"death"

Meant life.
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dumbest fucking chapter in a while

fuck you kubo
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>>101616948
>This is enforced by her saying that she learned to function in this state.
The complete opposite. The fact that she is temporarily dead is reinforced by her saying that she learned how to function in that state.

You realise people can die and come back, right? Happens every now and then in hospitals. She is doing this to herself, only she can still control her body with reishi.
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>>101597830
Here
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>>101620515
If she didn't have the reishi control she would be dead, but since she does have it she is alive. There is literally no reason for her to die it would be pointless. This would be much more simple if the translations weren't fucking awful.

>>101621210
Honestly the last 2 panels could be better they are pretty meh in my opinion.
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>>101573229
Chapter was good, but the translations were really really bad and confused a lot of people.
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I just plain don't care for the way she's talking and explaining everything normally when she's dead and her brain and internal organs should be frozen. Explain how the power works in a flashback as she's no longer able to talk while using it or something, but don't just have her monologue the entire time while all mental capacities are shut down.
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>Reminder that if you disliked this chapter because of the "science", you're a sperg lord
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>>101621709
Reishi and she isn't dead.
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Which is better Bleach or Naruto?
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>>101616097
I've got bored of the series so long ago, but Kenpachi vs Unohana(who appeared to be so brilliant sick fuck) gave me hope once again. It'll suffice for another few years. Although now Bleach is meh.
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>>101621846
Yeah, Reishi isn't really a magic enough answer for how she's talking and thinking normally while her brain is literally frozen solid in order to not be touched by his ability. Not to mention her body is forzen on the inside and she's still movie faster than him here by far with just "reishi". It's nothing but cheap in a way if she's just written exactly the same without missing a beat naturally while explaining "My body is incredibly fucked up at the moment, but I can still move with reishi". Instead of all of that you could just have swordsmith explain her powers in flashback spread out, and just have her not be effected by his ability as she slowly moves forward freezing more every second as he understands fear for the first time in his life. The issue is obviously that on the outside she is acting the same as always in direct contrast to everything she is saying and they're just waving it off with "Reishi" when instead they could just convey the concept better.
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>>101621210
Last panel should be replaced with this chapter absolute zero bullshit, and the previous one should be "the jews were the nazis all along"
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>>101622529
I wonder at what temperature fear boils
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>>101622073
>Yeah, Reishi isn't really a magic enough answer for how she's talking and thinking normally while her brain is literally frozen solid in order to not be touched by his ability.

She can function perfectly fine see >>101615757
She learned how to manipulate reishi in a way so she can function in this frozen "dead" state. It's not that hard to understand don't over think it.
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>>101622529
agreed, we need something about absolute zero dumbness
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So I'm still wondering how no one in soul society ever realized who Isshin. Didn't Hitsugya and Matsumoto both see him? Neither of them mentioned anything.
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>>101623095
I don't think they ever saw him. The only shinigami who have seen Isshin is Rukia.
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>>101623273
B-but Rukia didn't recognize Isshin on first sight even though she should've been in the Gotei when he was a captain
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>>101623095
hitsugaya was unconcious when isshin arrived
and matsumoto was more worried about gin

isshin also aged 20 years and grew a beard between the last time he saw matsumoto who was also more worried about gin at the time
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>>101623095
They probably know everything now
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Are not shinigami already dead people?
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>>101623382
Isshin looked completely different 20 years ago. He aged like a normal human.
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>>101623494
some of them are, but they're all souls and souls can be killed
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>>101623382
gotei 13 is very disjointed most unseated officers dont know what some captains look like from what i remember
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>I'm not alive

HOLY SHIT! YOU MEAN THE GIRL FROM EPISODE 1 THAT WAS A SOUL REAPER AND DEAD ISN'T REALLY ALIVE!? HOLY FUCK BLEACH IS THE BEST THING EVER! I'LL GO DRINK SOME!
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>>101623468
I would think they would know at this point, but honestly they've proven to be so incompetent that it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't.
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Rukia confirmed for extremely skillful/intelligent.
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don't discuss bleach with people on /a/. low reading comprehension, poor perception, shit interpretations. it's just all bad.
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>>101624338
You mean, Rukia confirmed for perfect
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>>101624521

>It's not me that's an idiot for not recognizing the numerous flaws with Bleach, it's everybody else around me!
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>>101575771
>>101575798
He feels fear, but he revels in it.
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bleach is shit and all, but all i really want to do is use rukia's bullshit powers for science
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>>101624561 would be true if the criticisms commonly made against bleach withstood analysis, but they typically don't. people can't even understand that 'dead' is being used as a metaphor here. saying shit like 'she can't be double dead, that doesn't make sense!' or 'you can't move while frozen!'

are you kidding me? 98% of the discussion is balls to the wall retarded. it's so embarrassing. there are plenty of valid criticisms about bleach but nobody comprehends what is going on well enough to make them.
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>>101624338

this. I bet the reishi technique she is using is ridiculous.

also, I like how he expressions stop. like she stops controlling the molecules in her face or something. because its a waste of effort.

also, I doubt this is the extent of her training, it's just what she chose to do once she understood how to counter the fear attack.
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>>101573229
It really isn't that outlandish, the mangapanda translation was pretty bad though.
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>>101592248
It's honestly one of the better portrayed instances of absolute zero in fiction. "lol soul magic" is a better explanation than none.
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When someone has issues with Bleach they'd like to bring up, it generally helps if they state them politely like a rational human being instead of making vague comments that look like they're trying to imply some major flaw without actual stating what the issue is.

If you read the thread and are still thinking Rukia must be double dead because you can't into figures of speech, Bleach might actually just be 2deep4u. She stated exactly what she was making use of to make absolute zero movement possible; it's an interesting combination of her sword's ability to completely eradicate her body heat while using reishi manipulation on her own body that allows for both sustaining that temperature with minimal harm and movement without shattering herself, which would have to mean that she's using reishi as the lubricant necessary between molecules, atoms, etc. because otherwise the force of the friction between them at absolute zero would completely destroy her body if she was moving (or getting hit).

Also, for good measure, look up zero-point energy. There is indeed still motion occurring at absolute zero. Things are stopped on the outside, but the quantum level keeps busy regardless.
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>>101621210
Nothing on Wrestling dude?
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Would you a Rukia?
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All this "HURR SOUL REAPERS ARE DEAD" shit is pretty sad.
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>>101621210
Change the fucking Fullbringers.
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>>101621210
I don't know what you guys are talking about. That last panel is funny as fuck.
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>>101626536
Mask was awesome, but his fight didn't really have anything to put on there really it was just a normal fight with ridiculous abilities.

>>101627589
Seriously this. Why is it still not changed?
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>>101627712
>Why is it still not changed?
Because nobody bothered.
Also because people didn't really give a shit.
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>>101627137
No.
>inb4 faget
I'm sorry but I like my girls ______taller____
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Do the Fullbringers still have their Fullbring? If I remember correctly, their powers are hollow-based, which means the shinigami's zanpakuto should have purified them of their abilities.
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>>101628288
Yes they do considering we see Facebook still with his sword.
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>>101573455

Everyone acts like that now. Even fucking Doge captain acts like that now.
And this sucks, because I hate Byakuya
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>>101629361
its called resolve. they werent accustomed to war. but now they are. theyre getting their killer instinct back.
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>>101629400

Can't they show their resolve without looking like faggots?
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>>101629361
Komamura wasn't smug he wanted revenge.
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>>101629558
i think their rapefaces are cool. it enforces that shit is getting real.
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>>101629558
>thinking cocky Rukia is a bad thing
Would rather she be moping around? And she isn't really cokcy in the first place. She's serious.
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>>101629558
You blabbering idiot.
Would you prefer them to scream their lungs out and give you 5 minute speeches on their aspirations and ideals like archetypical shounen heroes?
They aren't smug, they're calm and collected because that is how they should act.
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>>101631314
So fucking unfunny.
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>>101631314

Eh, not really that funny. Good effort though.
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>>101631343

Oh hello tripfag, looks like you forgot to turn your trip off.
Anyway I'm not arguing with a clear Bleachtard fanboy why Bleachcharacter expression are tryhard and shit
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>>101631513
I'm getting eye cancer from trying to read what you just wrote.
Learn to articulate yourself before you post again.
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>>101631625

Oh yes the Tripfag sure told me.
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>>101631691
>>101631513
>Anyway I'm not arguing with a clear Bleachtard fanboy why Bleachcharacter expression are tryhard and shit
There's a simple solution to this.
You believe what you want to believe, and they believe what you want to believe.
Now, back to discussion!
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>>101631691
Actually I did, it is clear as daylight that English is not your mother tongue and that you've never made an effort to master it.
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>>101631863

May I ask you why you feel the need to put a trip on? Do you need attention? Do you want people to recignize you? What important thing are you doing that requires people to recognize you as the one tripfag in this thread?
Or do you just want to be recognized as a poster like those lowlifes from anime forums that carve for confirmation with upvotes and reputations? Do you want me to tell you how cool you are? Because in that case I can only tell you to fuck off
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>>101632072
Intriguing, it's almost as if you wrote that yourself.
If you must know then there are two reasons for why I use a trip.
1 The archive. I can easily search for my own posts when I need to.
2 The park ranger effect. If I were to quit tripping I would become your new scapegoat, any dissenting opinion would be attributed to my name and before you know it these threads would degenerate (further) into pure shitposting.
And 3, I've been doing this for too long to stop now.
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>>101632506
>The archive. I can easily search for my own posts when I need to.

That would be convenient for all of us, but we all have the decency to not act like faggots because of that

>he park ranger effect [...]

You're implying people actually care about your posts. You're also implying people don't know that you can just put your trip off anytime to shitpost.

> I've been doing this for too long to stop now.

So you're just being a faggot out of habit
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>>101632685
>You're implying people actually care about your posts.
No, I'm implying that you'd make me into your fucking scapegoat like you did parked shit.
>You're also implying people don't know that you can just put your trip off anytime to shitpost.
I did no such thing.
>So you're just being a faggot out of habit
Pretty much. Also I scan shit and provide spoilers for Highschool DxD among others.
Some people benefit from it.
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>>101632950
>No, I'm implying that you'd make me into your fucking scapegoat like you did parked shit.

Oh and being an attentionwhoring tripfag that shows other people to trip is ok?

>I did no such thing.
If it comes from a tripfag, I surely can trust him

>Pretty much.

Case closed
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>>101632506
>>101631863
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>>101633793
Update the fucking fullbringers.
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>>101633837
Not gonna happen. Nobody gave a shit then, nobody does now.
Wait till they are back to suck.
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>>101633793

Oh wow another tripfag. Are Bleachthreads really that cancerous?
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>>101633925
>LoN
>LM011
>WHO ARE THEY?!?!! LE CANCER THREAD!!11
Your new is showing.
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>>101633793
Nice.
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>>101633994

>not knowing some tripfagging attentionwhores
>new

So this is what /a/ has become
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>>101634105
>So this is what /a/ has become
As if you're here long enough to even notice.
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>>101633896
I remember when you used to be cool.
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>>101634164

As if you're not the tripfag defending yourself
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>>101634192
In other words, there was a time when I was cool.
Unlike Fullbringers.

Protip: Change it yourself. Nobody has a monopoly on the chart. If people back you up, it's what stays.
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>>101634352
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>>101633793

This always cracks me up.
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>>101634432

Yeah surely screenshots mean shit. Nice try tripfag
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>Rukia will never ask you to cuddle and spoon her to warm her back up after using her absolute zero

Why even live?
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>>101634736


>assuming shes alive


im sorry
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Haven't read since Ichigo was denied sword repair. Can anyone fill me in on what happened in the meantime?
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>>101634975

didnt u even read the thread?

>>101633793
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well at least the rukiafags got something to jerk off to
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>>101633896
Hey man fuck you I like Ginjo and Facebook. Also fucking Ganju returned that chapter he at least deserves to be there.

>>101634975
Start reading now God-tier flashback arc with Masaki, Isshin, and Aizen. Also Ichigo gets his sword repaired, Zangetsu shows, Massive Plot twist, and a bunch of fights.
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>>101610374
Everyone understood that, but its still lame as fuck that a random Lieutenant has a shikai that outdoes a Captain's Bankai.

Hitsugaya cant achieve absolute zero.
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>>101635279

Hitsugaya a shit
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>>101635279
Hitsugaya's Bankai got defeated by non-shikai Aizen literally the page right after he uses his bankai. Hitsugaya sucks as a fighter and can't even use his abilities correctly half the time.
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>>101635175
I actually read the flashback arc. Think it was right after that that I dropped it. Think I'm gonna pick it up again now.
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>>101635279
>Hitsugaya cant achieve absolute zero.
There's no need for him.
Basically Rukia's power relies on direct contact with one range attack.

Hitsugaya can spawn ice dragons, summon ice prison weather and more.
All that without putting strain on his own body.

He sucks at using it, sure, but the area he can cover coupled with range advantage is substantial.
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>>101635374
>>101635436
Rukia was even weaker than him, but a short trip to a healing spring suddenly made her Shikai stronger than a Captain's Bankai, at least Renji had to use all of his power against Mask, but Rukia took As Nodt down as if he was nothing.
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>>101635595
Renji used bankai against fully boosted Vollstaendig Mask.
I don't believe As Nodt is done.
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>>101635595

It's Kubo powerlevels, I ain't gotta explain shit
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>>101635436
>Hitsugaya's Bankai got defeated by non-shikai Aizen literally the page right after he uses his bankai.

Actually Aizen used his Shikai for that. He made an illusion of himself standing still and cut down Hitsugaya while invisible. Not that he needed it.
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>>101635668
Seems likely, but can he engage Vollstandig while frozen?
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>>101636006
>Not that he needed it.
I don't know, man. Hitsugaya managed to stab Momo. The only other person who did that too was actually Aizen.

>>101636062
Well, we know it can even be triggered by another person going Vollstaendig. Next chapter will tell.
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>>101635595
first off, we saw that As Nodt was actually fairly weak for a stern ritter, he just relied on his fear to make his opponents easy prey
note that byakuya's shikai broke through his blut viene
Mask then proceeded to lecture as nodt

Since we had already been introduced to the ulquiorra/yammy stereotype, we initially presumed it was a repeat, but the truth is mask is clearly the more powerful of the two.

So Rukia's "jump" isn't quite as high as one might think, considering she was clearly top tier vice captain before. Now she's probably capable of holding her own with any captain without trouble, but she's yet to show off any sort of power compared to renji.

And I like it that way, because it makes her have to rely on her intellect and strategy to beat opponents, which is where Rukia shines.
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>>101636262
>considering she was clearly top tier vice captain before
That's a stretch.
Hisagi, Kira, Renji, Oomaeda (also Yumichika and Ikkaku, as they're in that tier) outclassed her as warriors.
In terms of Kido Momo, Isane, maybe Rangiku and as we now know Nanao were superior.
Nemu is probably the most proficient Hakuda user among officer.

Iba and Yachiru are a mystery.
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so rukia controls her body in a state of death?

ignoring the dead shinigami thing. is kubo confirming that spirit bodies actually react to real world mechanics, and then somehow ignoring the consequences?

rukias body cant reach a point of stasis where the fear would not infect her until absolute zero-for her to do any of that her brain at least would still have to be functioning ie: not below zero-but a brain that needs blood would not function if blood stopped moving in oxygen-why even introduce the concept?

but all that means is that her higher brain functions are still active, meaning fear should still work.

but its probably a metaphor......i hope


convenient action aside, doesn't this power for all intents and purposes make rukia temporarily immortal?

the 4 sec time limit is the only fall back, and thats just shikai? aizen just shit his pants.
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>>101635595
>at least Renji had to use all of his power against Mask but Rukia took As Nodt down as if he was nothing.
That's cause Renji wasn't able to get rid of Mask's ability while Rukia was able to get rid of As Nodt's ability. Also As Nodt hasn't even used Vollstandig yet while Mask did.

>>101636006
Are we reading the same chapter? In chapter 170 Hitsugaya gets hit once by Aizen and he's down. Did I miss anything?

>>101636062
Cang du did I don't see why As Nodt can't.

>>101636262
>considering she was clearly top tier vice captain before
No she wasn't.
>Now she's probably capable of holding her own with any captain without trouble
No no she isn't. She would still lose to over half the Captain-tier opponents.
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>I follow bleach on a weekly basis to shit on it

I think you should professional help
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>>101636517
Iba was beating up ikkaku during the SS arc so hes one hard fucker.
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/a/ is completely fine with:
>a sword that magically rewrites the past of whoever it cuts
>a sword that summons the skeletons of everyone it ever killed out of nowhere
>a sword that turns into a million flower petals that can all be controlled by a guy's mind
>a sword that instantly kills anyone if it touches the same spot twice
>a sword that's actually a gun that's actually a little girl that shoots wolves
>a sword that alters the rules of reality into childrens' games

/a/ loses its shit over:
>a sword that gets really cold and freezes enemies to death
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>>101637524
There's no problem with Hitsugaya's sword, which freezes people. That's not what Rukia's sword does. She explicitly states the sword itself isn't cold, it makes her body cold, and then that in turn freezes stuff. The problem is that she attempts to have a semi-sciencey explanation for it instead of just "ZANPAKTO MAGIC LEL". It's suspension of disbelief: If she had just said "I'm immune due to magic", it would've been dumb but at least consistent. The problem is that science is a real world thing that people actually understand so attempting to say "I'm immune due to science" doesn't actually work.

What I'm trying to say is that all of the things that /a/ was fine with were just magic and never even attempted to explain how they worked; Rukia's power did, but did so really dumbly.
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>>101637780
Skeletons. Out of nowhere. Of everyone who ever died. Sorry, I don't give half a crap over Rukia's sword physics when there's that shit on the table.
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>>101637780
She explicitly stated that sort-of-SCIENCE fucks her over so she mastered the MAGIC to move and not just freeze and expire.

I fail to see your point.
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>>101637780
I don't think you understand Rukia's powers. All her power is being able to lower her temperature all the way to absolute zero. Now she should be dead because of being this cold, but isn't due to her reishi ability. The only thing that involved semi-science is blocking As Nodt's ability from entering her body and that was perfectly logical.
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I had to check it, but damn. "Planned" may not be the word, but Kubo surely worked nice from this single panel.
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>>101638024
except the part where brain function continues, that part is not logical, even partially.

blood frozen,skin frozen,organs frozen, brain still working fine.

not sure why kubo introduced the concept.

especially since the power itself would work just fine without any explanation.
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>>101638583
She used reishi so she can still function you retard.

>>101638481
Also in chapter 297. I made this point in yesterdays thread. http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101563445/#101573184
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>everyone shitting on Rukia because she's strong
M-muh strong men. Muh fragile masculinity.
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>>101638746
Ah, I missed that thread.
Kudos.
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>>101638746
the fuck you crying for?

reishi or no, unless you can manipulate reishi without your brain the whole concept is shit.

her body hit absolute zero but her brain is unaffected?

and this only sounds ridiculous because the concept was introduced. i still dont know why
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>>101639253

to add to this, her ability would also be more powerful than Ransōtengai, since by the logic of her brain being dead once her body reaches absolute zero, and being able to use her brain to manipulate her body, she can function without her brain being active.

making her immune to all senses and mind techniques.

aizen,hirakko etc. are now gettin curb stomped.



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