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What exactly is scanlators problem with their edits being hosted on manga-reading-sites?

They do something illegally, get donations in return and have a problem when people use their bandwidth/ressources to spread their work on the internet, not even removing their logo or anything, so they still get their credit?

Am I missing something?
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They're mad that it was done without their permission, as though they have some kind of claim to a copyrighted work they don't own.
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>>101571453
site ads
they want dosh generated on their own website
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They take the manga that scantalators have worked on translating, stick it on a site with tons of ads, add watermarks to everypage and downscale the images. They are getting most of the money for doing the least of the work and making the product worse in the process.
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>>101571518
The translator nominally has a right to his work along with the original authors even when he had no rights to do it.
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>>101571655
This
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Mostly what >>101571655 said. They basically collect all these manga that people put their time and money in AND GET PAID FOR IT. They don't even retain the quality, they make it worse by downscaling the image, making the image blurry and adding obnoxious watermarks. That's a bullshit practice if I ever seen one.
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>>101571793
so what? scanlators get donations and they steal the manga from original copyright owners.

and they don't get paid when people use adblock, so I really don't understand the anger of these faggots. they are autistic 15 year olds, like most manga-fans outside of /a/ and don't know how the world works. just because you put work into something, doesn't mean this object belongs to you. I want to see them their first time in a real job.
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>>101572121
>I want to see them their first time in a real job.
You get paid at a job, mangafox isn't paying them.
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>>101572168
mangafox isn't stealing from them either, only from japanese publishers
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>>101572232
They are stealing from both, the manga from publishers and the translations from the translators.
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>>101572121
>>>/v/
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>>101571655
At the end of the day it's thieves complaining about thieves. It's stupid really, let stupid people that enjoy their shitty watermarked images have their fun, at the end of the day neither the scanalators or mangafox etc are entitled to any money so it hardly matters.
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>>101572310
The translations are made for the fans. Hosting them on a centralized site is doing their own work for them.
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>>101572310
legally the translations are a crime, not something of value.
>>101572313
>>>/mlp/ you fucking kid
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>>101572402
Legality is irrelevant, a drug dealer can still be annoyed if people are stealing their drugs.
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>>101572357
there is no centralized site. there are dozens of manga-reading sites
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>>101572232
Mangafox, or any big site that stuffs itself full of ads, is selling what translators are trying to give away. It's a subtle distinction, but it's a very important one that changes the dynamic completely.
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>>101572446
Morlally is irrelevant, a busted pirate will still cry like a bitch in court, even though he just wanted to bring japanese manga to western audience.
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>>101572357
They are still downscaling and adding watermarks, they aren't sharing their product they are sharing a worse version. There are less complaints about sites which leave the scans untouched.
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>>101572484
>give away
but putting their (scanlator) logos on the manga is okay?

asking for donations is okay?
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I like to troll scanlators by complaining about shit quality scans then linking them to mangafox
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>>101572581
mangafox is not forcing people to read in worse quality. they do it for their own reasons (found on google serach results first, bad internet-connection, etc etc)..
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>>101572348
It's not so much about the thieving as it is about them making their work look worse and therefore giving them a bad reputation. They also don't point at the scanlators, so they get no credit at all.
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>>101572719
It's done to save money in bandwidth costs so they can make more profit.

Just how retarded are you?
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I'm just glad that watermarking is becoming less common.

Still a hassle to go through an old series I like and see the groups logo on every other page and then fire up Gimp and hope I can find a download of that chapter in raw to fix it myself.
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>>101572121
>scanlators are one person

Do you know how many groups there are? There are all types of scanlators. Not all ask for donations, and the most that do you won't even realize unless you go to their site. I read manga every day and I have no clue which groups have a donation button or not. And when it comes to donation there's a difference between just having a simple donation button at the side-bar or begging every day for donations.

I'm not troubled by donations (I don't visit their forums) nor am I bothered by any whining/drama (again, I don't visit their forums) so unless you visit their forums I don't see what your problem is.
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>>101572620
I don't see how any of that is revenue. Donations come close, but unless they hold regular donation drives they're not operating as a commercial enterprise. Big sites that reduce the quality of scans to save on bandwith and stuff themselves full of ads are selling their users, who are attracted to the site due to work translators are doing and are trying to give away.
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>>101572620
Scantalators typically use there donations to buy new manga to scantalate, mangafox uses their ad money to profit off of. Why do you think they downscale everything? Its so that they use less bandwidth and so can earn more money.
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>>101572791
again: there is nothing wrong with trying to make profit. you are acting like a child who just realized the santa at wal-mart is getting paid to be nice to you.
the only level you can complain about this is the legal one and you said yourself before what is legal is irrelevant
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>>101572816
That drama spreads into the manga itself with increase in watermarks or shitloads of credit pages decrying the fans and whoever wronged them.
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Autistic children shitting all over each other.
Nothing to see here, move along.

Reading sites come out top since no-one gives a fuck how much scanlators moan.
If you're complaining about your manga being re-hosted, maybe you should make a bigger better site with better SEO
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>>101572921
The difference is that the santa at walmart doesn't profit off of other people's work.
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>>101572620
Donations to import & host the manga you love to read. How preposterous.

Scanlator logos are usually unobtrusive and they are there so that when mangareading sites put them up people can tell another group made them. Groups like Lively Scans changed their logo once but they listened to their readers that it was a bad logo and changed it back to an unobtrusive one. At least there's still a discussion to be had. With manga reading sites there are none. Deal with the watermark or leave.
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>>101572921
>again: there is nothing wrong with trying to make profit
There is if you take someone elses work to do it. Most scantalators do it for free. Can I come into your work and take credit for your work to earn money?
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>>101572816
>>101572844
but they ask for donations on their "credit-pages" at the beginning or end of the manga, sometimes even in between
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>>101573007
There shouldn't be a watermark in the first place.
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>>101572937
Name me an example. Come on, how seriously does this happen? I'm trying to think of one myself. Considering there are hundreds of manga being scanlated even if you find one it means nothing.
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>>101573100
Recently when /a/ translated ch2 of AYNIK and the original group added 13 credit pages to their version of the second chapter.
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I just checked all three sites mentioned in the OP, and it looks like mangafox leaves their stuff unwatermarked. They also mention that they don't scan or write the material, they merely host it.
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>>101573074
Lots of scantalators don't watermark, they add a credit page or nothing at all. And even the ones that do add their name to the pages are 100x less obtrusive than mangafox ect.
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Reading manga online? Who would do that?
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>>101573052
I have no clue because I mentally phase out credit pages and don't even notice them while I read. Credit pages are exactly separate for that reason. You can easily ignore them.
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>>101573237
>Ruining the art
>Less obtrusive

Haha, no. Just keep it to a simple credits page.
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>>101573235
But they still fuck up the image quality.
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>>101573448
How many scantalators are there that include obtrusive art ruining watermarks?
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>>101573547
not that guy, but I'd wager it's somewhere in the region of fucking nobody
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>>101572121
>>101572620
>>101572921
You can tell the retard who has wrong opinions by their lack of punctuation. Seems you are severely buttfrustrated. How come?
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>>101573605
He probably reads on mangafox and wants us to tell him its ok.
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>>101573649
This is probably the case.
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>>101573162
Like I said anomaly. The same way there are retarded /a/nons and ones who aren't. It's the same for scanlator groups. And these /a/ people who scanlate don't come out of nowhere, they themselves probably have some scanlating experience, even if it's just by themselves. So "scanlators" aren't evil, it's retarded people who are.
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>>101573547
Not very many thankfully and these days there are less watermarks.
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>>101573505
True, but that's on the same vein as getting mad at streamers. If they don't give enough of a damn about the quality, then that's on them. At least MF doesn't take credit for other people's translations. Also, I think scan groups have every right (morally, I guess) to receive donations. They're doing you a service you can't do yourself. I think people upset about this misunderstand the amount of work that goes into a halfway decent release. It's not just a simple scan and trans, most of the time they have to rework shit completely just to make it look right.
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>>101573914
If they show proof that they're using the money to buy tanks and servers like they say they do then sure, donate all the way.
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>>101572775
in 2009/2010 before this shit is popular, those site point the scanlators.
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What if an anon at his own expense pays for manga to scan and translate doesn't ask for donations and it gets uploaded on mangafox.

if he gets annoyed at that does that make him an attention whore and evil?
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>>101574549
yeah
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>>101574290
Nope, I don't even care if they pocket the money. Personally, if I was in their position, I would spend donations on shit necessary to producing the best releases I could and also on servers and shit. Anything after that though I'd pocket. If people want to pay me for work I do then ill give them the best product I can, but I'll gladly keep the rest for myself because I would have earned it.
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>>101574549
I wouldn't get annoyed. If I'm putting it on the internet, of course someone would get and put it somewhere else. Though I would get amused if it got behind a paywall or something.
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>>101574549
According to the average /a/non, yes it does.
It's madness to expect them to even attempt to get the whole picture.
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>>101574649
I would use the extra money to buy even more manga to scanlate.
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Why batoto isn't centering the image align?
It's bugging me when the image is at the left side of my monitor
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>>101574649
That's basically what I meant. There's a group I forgot the name of that just uses chinese scans and pockets the money from donations just to pay his utilities. That's something I have a problem as they say they use it for tanks.

>>101574549
Hard to be annoyed when you're translating it because it's a niche you like and want to see it have more exposure.
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>>101574771
You can't stop those jew sites. Getting angry about them will get you nothing and /a/ will hate you over it if you keep throwing a fit.
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Scanlation groups lose money and part of the dumbfuck audience interaction and ball-licking that goes with releasing translations.

A lot of sites also look like shit and scale everything down and make the chapter look bad, or add shit like their own watermarks or signiture.

It is mostly a money thing, however.
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>>101574832
>Hard to be annoyed when you're translating it because it's a niche you like and want to see it have more exposure.
Exactly. I actually like when I find stuff I did on other sites. At least it means people are reading and may want more.
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>>101574812
then move ur monitor wat are u retardwed or somethign?
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>>101574881
It costs money to get books in to scan if they are doing their own raws but I'm knowing a shit load of groups that don't get the raws themselves they use public ones and act like they had to pay for the manga and beg for donations or the site costs 10000 US dollars a month to run
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>>101574862
I don't really care about /a/'s opinion, but I agree with you. There ain't nothing I can do about it.

The only thing that can stop this is when the big manga companies step in. But at that time it might as well been the final end of scanlations.
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>>101574549
>if he gets annoyed at that does that make him an attention whore and evil?

No, obviously not. But we can't tell whether someone asked for donations or bought a volume to scan out of his own pocket through the chapter alone, and saying you did all that shit is practically a donation request anyway.

Getting annoyed doesn't make the scanner and translator a bad person, just a naive/stupid one. There are tons of sites take advantage of scanlators, this is OLD OLD news. He should expect it to happen, really. It's not nice but this has been around for so long it is practically part of the scene.

It's funny, though, that subgroups don't tend to complain about their shows being uploaded to streaming sites. I'd also like to point out that reducing the quality of future releases to get around this annoyance you should have known existed to begin with is a pretty bad thing to do.
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This shit right here. I dont want it. Leave the fucking frama out of the fucking manga.
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>Daiz gets together with scanlators and make a new proprietary format
>mangafox dies as no one can upload the new chapters that have anti screenshot measures.
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>>101575504
If it can be displayed on screen, it can be ripped.
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>>101574862
>>101574771
Fuck off. /a/ is sick of you coming in here to defend your shitty reader.
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>>101576871
When did we ever defend those sites? Learn to read.
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ITT:
>muh honor among thieves
Fuck that shit, if scanlators don't want to be ripped off they can start a publishign company, acquire the license to translate and distribute the material and then take legal action against manga hosting sites.
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>>101576975
Scroll up. Learn to read.
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