So, if Shaft really wants to continue the Madoka series, why not have them explore the lives of the ancient magical girls instead? I'd be down for a Puella Magi Cleopatra Magica.
There's already the Jeanne d'Arc spinoff.
oh...is it any good?
>Shaft really wants
This franchise completely belongs to Aniplex. And nothing confirms that they wants it.
>And nothing confirms that they wants it.
> why not have them explore the lives of the ancient magical girls instead? I'd be down for a Puella Magi Cleopatra Magica.
There's a fanfic of that.
But speaking seriously, I want more Madoka-concept stuff but with new characters. I'm sick of the main 5 already, it's a good concept and world, the least they could do is try to expand it instead of rehashing the same story forever because infinite timelines and whatever.
Not translated yet.
Well the last time they tried something with totally new characters it was Kazumi and it sucked. Hopefully the new stuff is better.
>dat timing with the se gave me a kiss
>And nothing confirms that they wants it.
They said they'd do it if a good script is written.
As if. Madoka is too much of a huge cash.cow, no matter how much times they promise they will end it it will never end.
surely Gen might be okay with doing prequels, right?
Gen is busy with Gaim.
What about Psycho Pass and Gargantia
Rebellion gave perfect ending to start new show with new cast in Madoka vs Homura conflict.
The script is finished you retard.
This has to be the deadest Madoka thread I've ever seen.
Somebody please make me say the magic words to revive this thread
Come on guys
>not wanting an entire series dedicated to Bear
I'll take this chance to ask something, then.
How do I get into Madoka? I know there's the series but apparently there's a lot of manga and movies and other materials. Apparently the movies are recaps, should I watch them over the series?
Dark hair a shit. But I want to see the original magical girls, like a cavegirl or one in a tribe.
NO. Just get the Meguca subs of the original series and watch the 3rd movie, unless someone who actually watched those movies can proove me wrong.
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT. SAYAKA A SHIIIIT
The movies are IMO the superior way to watch now if I need a fix. Though they leave out a few important details only gotten through watching the series. (which is where the Fancutfags release will be great) The series is only an hour longer just watch that first.
Watch the TV series. Either watch the 2 movies then the last movie or just watch the last movie. The first two movies are recaps. Generally with anime the recaps are meant to be enjoyed after the show and the TV series is better, so you can watch the TV series without seeing the recaps but you can't really just watch the recaps for the full experience. You don't miss much but sometimes there's new footage. Everything else is optional but shouldn't be read before the TV series.
Viking-chan is infinetley supperior
A group called Fancutfags is releasing the series using frames from the movies, releasing weekly. If you want to get the real once-a-week release experience, now's a pretty good time.
You know that's probably where the wheel came from.
She is not even sexy, except for her long legs and glasses. But Kyouko and Mami are fine.
Right, just make sure what you get is a bluray rip from Meguca subs, and not shitty stuff like Nutbladder, or GG's hilarious troll subs with Morning Rescue ads thrown in them at inappropriate times.
Fuck off Homu
I'll get on the series and the movies afterwards then.
Where do I find this fancut thingy? On Nyaa?
Thank you for the help. I appreciate the kind responses.
Just search Fancutfags on Nyaa, yeah. They usually do release threads on thursdays too.
Homu or not, I'm still mad he did that.
The series is slightly better paced, the movies have better animation and are a bit condensed. maybe watch up to episode 9 of the series (I think it was 9, someone else confirm this) and then watch movies 2 and 3. the spinoffs aren't even cannon for the mot part, though the different story manga is some really nice backstory, but watch the anime and films first regardless
This. Watching until episode 8 and then movies 2 and 3 is the best option. The second movie doesn't skip anything from 9-12.
I don't care. She's cute.
I still remember that anon saying they gave out statefarm cups too
Shouldve gotten a cup and put it on the board for extra butthurt
Some could be cannon, like Oriko as shitty as that one was. Also aren't there hints that Kazumi and some other magical girls could have formed Walpurgisnight?
Homura did nothing wrong?
It's all Sayaka's fault when you think about it.
No, it´s your mom´s fault m8
sayaka a shit
More like Sayaka unintentionally was the problem, due to all her shitty trust issues and her bad judge of character. Then again, it's not like Homura did the best job of getting her point across.
>Homura dies for the universe end
>Homura is killed and Godoka comes back end
>Homura forgets Madoka end
>Madoka dies and Homura has to live with the responsibility
>Madoka and Homura die for the universe end
>Kyubey kills everyone end
Homura sure fucked up.
don't listen to the rest of the idiots ITT
start with the TV series, AND DON'T DROP IT UNTIL EPISODE 10
then go watch the third movie, Rebellion. It's shit but it nicely animated
Dualism end is the only true end.
>implying puella magi anne frank wouldn't be entertaining
>living with your rapist whose powers come directly from imprisoning you
I can't wait until we finally get a continuation and Madoka and Homura are separated forever.
Actually it's been like this all morning. four different meguca threads pruned at 100-150 posts.
Be careful with that edge, anon.
This. I want to see meguca fighting Homura's mooks.
Not gonna happen, they'll be too busy with their SoL S2.
But it's true, every character has had their stories wrapped up except Madoka and Homura's relationship, and Homura blew it up for some temporary, selfish happiness.
If Homura like Madoka so much,
Why don't she just switch body with her?
Just like The Witch House
Life has meaning because it ends, anon.
Yeah, it's pure coincidence that literally every girl got the happiness they only ever could have dreamed of, right? Nah, that's the power of Homu labyrinth.
Why would you do that?
Look how cute they are!
don't be suckered in.
It doesn't matter if she made everyone happy, she fucked herself over by separating herself from Madoka forever just to see everyone act out a happy reality that has no reason to exist. There's no happy ending any more because Madoka can't be happy without Homura, and it's all her own fault.
>It doesn't matter if she made everyone happy, unless you're one of the over 6 billion people in the world who value happiness.
You're not getting the point, everything was already resolved except for Homura and Madoka's relationship. Homura ruined that, so now neither of them can ever be truly happy.
Homura is happy, just like Lelouch when he sacrificed himself.
Is this from the same guy who made that tomato farmer comic? Could I have a link?
She's not happy, she's content, just like in the end of the fucking series and you know what happened with that, mada dame yo.
Madoka absolved every witch in existence of whatever they did and gave them a happy afterlife. Everything Homura did was caused by her talk with Madoka, who had no memory of her godhood. I doubt a misunderstanding like that is enough to break the bond between them, especially when taking into consideration all the shit they went through together during the timeloops.
It's probably one of these
>it's pure coincidence that literally every girl got the happiness they only ever could have dreamed of, right?
Actually, yes, yes it is, the only reason they got their temporary happy ending is because they are friends of Madoka, otherwise Homura wouldn't have problem erasing them, like she makes horribly clear with her conversation with Sayaka.
>Homura ruined that, so now neither of them can ever be truly happy.
[citation desperately needed]
The meaning of 'made dame yo' is "Not just yet." Have you listened to the song? "The night is half-eaten--what color will the morning come in?"
It's saying that nothing is finished yet. You can't make and judgments on Homura's ending because we haven't seen it yet. This is simply the half-time.
that would be fucking terrible and you know it.
Reboot the series make it about magical boys instead.
>Sparing someone from cursing the world and becoming an avatar inside their own self-propagating labyrinth of despair is a bad thing
I guess Homura is already a cold-blooded murderer then.
Homura has become an entity of evil, nothing can save her now.
Homura has thrown away Madoka's trust and damned herself from ever being able to be together with her.
Pic related, it's Madoka and her trust issues
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
No smile is going to be able to save Homura from the pits of hell.
Are you intentionally substituting the actual events of the ending out for your personal speculation of what could be?
Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven anyway.
>Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven anyway.
You Homufags are really fucking annoying.
I'm the biggest Homurafag ont he board and I'm depressed as shit she's killed off her happiness in self-hatred, and by extension Madoka's.
Sorry for raining on your parade with controversial concepts like 'the pursuit of happiness', 'living past age fourteen', and 'preventing aliens from turning a god into fuel for their utilitarian utopiaverse."
I'm sure Madokami would forgive her. I mean in trying to create a heaven for the other megucas Homura made a personal hell for herself.
Regular human Madoka might not be so pleased at first though.
Since you're so devoted to Homura, you'll come to understand why her will to power is not a depressing turn of events at all.
She can't be saved by Madoka anymore, and once Madoka decides she doesn't want Homura's imposed happiness that will be the end of her. There's nothing Madoka or anyone else can do to fix her mess,a nd that's the saddest thing because now Madoka will get to feel what it's like to lose the person she cares most about.
Homura really didn't accomplish any of that, anon.
Obviously Madoka is smiling at the end because she doesn't know what happened. That has no bearing on her "trust issues" or lack thereof.
She would have eternal life with Madoka in yuri valhalla if she wasn't so crazy.
It sells because Urobuchi, not Shaft.
What if Shaft animated Gaim?
So, about that citation I've been asking for...
Speaking of evidence, we have the part where Homulilly is prepared never to meet Madoka again. This is symbolized by the red spider lilies.
But she meets Madoka, and the lilies are replaced by cherry blossoms.
Through death and rebirth, Homura has become a stronger person. Yes, she has to live with her own despair, but it's not so sad that we should call it a dream. She's accepted her inner demons as necessary to reach her miracle ending. Once the night is over and dawn comes, we'll see the fruits of her effort.
But it's way to early to give up yet. Don't you want to see that happy dream?
You're right. In Nagisa's case it's "reaching a double-digit age" and "having a special person in her life who can fill in the gap left by her mom's death".
Go on though, tell me why a world where an elementary schooler is forced to fight monsters until she dies, exhausts herself, or gives up on life completely (which doesn't take long when your mom is terminal) is better than what Homura has in mind.
What Homura "has in mind" is a world where Madoka is happy. Sayaka and Nagisa being brought back to life was an accidental byproduct of that.
Madoka's greatest happiness is being with Homura, Homura denied that forever because she refuses to believe Madoka could love her back. Therefore Madoka can't be truly happy due to Homura's hubris, and neither can Homura because she's suppressing her own deepest desires.
> Madoka team
> Suzune team
> Tart team
Better question, where are the fucking translations
No so much a byproduct but rather a condition required for her idea of a prefect world for Madoka. If Madoka didn't know Sayaka and was indifferent to little girl suffering Homura wouldn't give a rat's ass about any of them. In fact she would probably go out of her way to remove Sayaka and Nagisa so they don't endanger her world.
She doesn't want the other megucas to be happy because she's a nice person, she only does so to keep Madoka happy.
Or, as a being whose magic has ascended beyond but is still founded upon hope and despair, Homura gathered everyone by means of the inner desire reflected by her labyrinth.
Seriously, if she didn't want Sayaka around, she could make it happen. Is that not obvious?
Anyway Homufags, why would you ever give up on Homura if you love her and want to see her happy? Pick your sorry asses off the ground and send her some prayers.
No I mean it was literally not something she intended to happen. The way Homura talks to Sayaka and says "you two have become unable to return to where you belong" heavily implies that Homura didn't expect them to be brought back to life.
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my AI YO.
It's not that she doesn't want Sayaka around, obviously. She just didn't intend to bring her back.
>Seriously, if she didn't want Sayaka around, she could make it happen. Is that not obvious?
No she couldn't because fucking Madoka told her that she want Sayaka in her life, it's as if you faggot ignored what actually happens in the movie and read too much into the fucking symbolism.
What did you expect her to say, anon?
>"Yeah, I actually care about you on some subconscious level that I'm not entirely aware of. Also, destroying the world would be pointless. Do I really look that evil to you? It should be obvious from how my familiars act that I consider myself a rotten, corrupting blotch on Madoka's happy life. Miki-san, would you become my friend and rekindle the warmth in my heart?"
of course she's gonna say "whoops lol dunno how that happened! I must have made an oops. yeah, destroying the world? since you're so against it, maybe I should just to make you mad. Haha see you later, I have 'better' things to do."
>Sayaka's inclusion was an accident! She wasn't necessary to the new world, she just fell in
>Homura can't remove Sayaka! She's necessary to Madoka's happiness in the new world!
pick one guys
You could use that logic to apply any motivation you wanted to Homura because she's too shy to reveal her true feelings or whatever. Not very compelling. The idea that she simply didn't intend for Sayaka to be brought back makes a lot more sense. She's not literally God after all, she can't make the universe exactly the way she wants it in every detail.
because symbolism in the series has, from the beginning, a bunch of red herrings that don't relate at all, rite?
Madoka is dead
There will never be another anime
deal with it
watch the Madoka fan cut.
it takes the blu-ray release of the series and replaces parts with the scenes from the movies.
Except that even as a demon, her basis is still 'witch', and witches' labyrinths and familiars are their innermost dreams, aspects, and desires given form. That's why the world kicks off by flashing us the record player, which is imagery for the return to beginning of the loop.
>witches' labyrinths and familiars are their innermost dreams, aspects, and desires given form
If that was true, Charlotte's barrier would be filled with cheese. A lot of times, barriers specifically do not give them what they want.
Will Madoka be milked by Aniplex and its master Sony?
Like Star Wars or something?
I won't complain if next official one is great but can't take it dying with shitty cashgrab sequels
“Fleeing is much worse than losing. You can’t win if you’re afraid to lose and refuse to put up a fight…”
Damn, Homufags, stand up for your girl. She's got a lot of sleepless nights ahead of her.
If it works for PreCure, it should work for Madoka.
>Like Star Wars or something?
Yes, and shitty cashgrab sequels is what you get, Rebellion proved that.
>all that speculah of Madoka's ototo being a dimentional travelling magical knight
>nothing came of it
such a tragedy...
You mean great cashgrab sequels.
>A lot of times, barriers specifically do not give them what they want.
Just like Homura's new world then
If you liked circular plots that throw entire character arcs in the shitter with Kingdom Hearts tier writing and making fan shipping canon.
Someone didn't understand Homura's motivations.
Madoka is going to be the next Gundam in terms of how big the franchise will get, spanning multiple shows and alternate universes. Screencap this and post it 35 years from now.
Well then shaft is shit out of luck.
Man, I wish.
Charlotte could create infinite dessert and her familiars were designed to seek out and nurse the cheese she craved. Obviously she couldn't actually get what she wanted--the point her is that the labyrinth reflects the desires. If the witches got what they wanted, they wouldn't be cursing the world, would they?
Which brings me to my next point. Homura isn't suffering from ordinary despair. She never curses the world. Instead, she uses her despair to get exactly what she wants--as Homulilly she makes the wish once again to protect Madoka. Homura's no normal girl.
>implying the Holocaust happened
Puella Magi Anne Magica when?
With that wish, would you soulgem shine?
Jeff Magnum pls she's ur waifu not a real person
>Obviously she couldn't actually get what she wanted
Exactly my point. Just like how Homulily couldn't die, no matter how much she wanted to. Witches are often tormented by their own barriers. They are clearly not the all-powerful masters of their own realm.
And yes, Homura managed to get what she wanted and re-write the universe, but that doesn't mean she's all-powerful. That would be boring.
>Anne Franks wish was to make everyone believe the holocaust happened, eventually allowing Jews to take over the world.
>fan shipping canon
Yeah, who could have fucking guessed. KyouSaya is such a crack pairing. There certainly weren't undertones present in the original series, and it's not like a ridiculous amount of staff members who worked on the series are devout KyouSaya fans.
Hetfags disregard subtext and symbolism for not being explicitly sexual, and disregard everything else in the extended franchise for not being canon.
Then when Rebellion Story comes along they have the gall to be surprised and act as if the yuri was unprecedented.
Wow, they're holding hands, it's like that never happened before in the series or anything.
Why is Sayaka so lewd
That's a predatory gaze if I ever saw one
>"I wish they never find us!"
>"Impossible! How did you..."
>"You were betrayed"
This never would have happened if only Adolf Hitler were still alive.
I like my apple raspberry as much as the next guy, but that page can definitely be seen as bro-tier if you choose to read it that way.
But you know, then we get to the extended period of hand-holding with blushing and "hey, read the mood!"
See that, beautiful isn't it? Too bad it didn't happen because Homura destroyed Yuri Heaven.
>See that, beautiful isn't it? Too bad it didn't happen because Madoka brought Kyouko back to life.
Terribly offensive. But would watch for the SJW trainwreck that'd be sure to ensue
KyouSaya can't be a thing, because KyouMami is OTP
Seriously, read TDS already
Then we just have to build a new one. The devil's head will be the cornerstone.
I could expect prequel of Rebellion and sequel of it.
It's nice to see magica triplet in prequel. Revealing exactly what made Homu's soulgem corrupt. And some TDS styled Mamikyou.
Concept of Majuu will be important, wish they make them as impressive as witches
Could they ever make it great? It's difficult I think. Unfortunately
I guess one way to look at it would be in some worlds where Sayaka and Kyouko both witched it did actually happen. It's just that it didn't happen to that particular Kyouko in the post Godoka world.
Sayaka who's been to Yuri Heaven and therefore gained memories of all possible previous lives would have experienced this, but the Kyouko we saw on screen in Rebellion have not.
This. TDS gave so much more chemistry between Kyouko and Mami than the series and Rebellion gave to Kyouko and Sayaka.
They will never be gay and they will never make official, keeps crying though.
Anon, you only posted two-thirds of the best trio. Let me help you out.
Anti-Homu anons will jump on me for this, but I would love to see a 3v3 setup in the next season. I mean that in the loosest of terms, because everyone cares about each other and would be totally torn about ever being on opposing sides. I just mean in ideologies on the matter of laws vs. desires.
>Liking mustard and ketchup pairing
>QB I wish all juden to be removed from this Earth
>As you wish
>PLOT TWIST: Anne Frank was the juden
If they would just give us a canon explanation of the meguca afterlife, speculation would be 300% more straightforward.
>Sonic heroes style Puella game
>Kazumi, Umika, and Kaoru make up the 3rd team
would you play?
what about Oriko and Kirika?
I FINALLY FOUND WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR
I'm not the one who always screams that his fanfiction is canon, bro.
What is Kyouko even doing? What is she ever doing?
I'd love a series just about these three witch hunting, I liked them a lot more than the other characters.
I just got done watching the main episodes, and Sayaka's a dumb bitch with boyfriend wangst out the ass, and Madoka was as a whole pretty boring. Neither interested me that much.
It really felt more like Homura's series, Madoka was just the plot device.
You're a dumb bitch with boyfriend wangst out the ass.
It all depends on who you identified with, really. Every character makes significant contributions to the plot and thematics.
Yeah that's true too I guess. Different strokes and all that.
Some kind of role play with Mami.
It's fascinating how the only one who can pull off Mami's hair is Mami.
HOPE VS LOVE
ORDER VS DESIRES
or whatever the fuck I can't remember
Stop saying stupid things.
They were just watching some Precure and then go outside to play? I don't know, I wish more people would translated more MamiKyou doujin.
How can one girl be so useless as to let the biggest bitch in the universe usurp her and throw the whole universe into hell?
>You still alive?
>Oi Mami, looks like you haven't changed a bit
>You started smoking cigars?
>Huh? What are you talking about.
>This is an umaibou stick
>Looks like you haven't changed either
>Hey what are you trying to say!
These are definitely the best three.
Kind of off topic but I was reading the TDS manga and it implied that Mami trained Homura as well. Anything to confirm that?
Of course. In timeline 2 both Homura and Madoka were Mami's students.
Everybody has been Mami student at some point, anon.
Mami trained Madoka in the first few timelines.
When Homura became a mahou shoujo in the 2nd timeline, Mami trained her too.
Go watch Gaim then
Kind of interesting since they both fight with guns.
So who did Mumi learn from?
There is also not nearly enough Homu and Mami being friends.
What so good about lifeless Madoka's heaven
- No cheese
- No Kyousuke's dick
because she was selfless and want to give Madoka a TRUE happiness
>Implying that Sayaka can ever get Kyousuke's dick
>So who did Mumi learn from?
From experience, Mami has been a magic girl for almost 3 years.
Yep, her life will be more happier if she don't know anything from the start, her smile is a smile full with joy not bitter smile like Madokami that looks like "It can't be help there is no better way than this".
>Fate Unlimited Codes style Puella game
>two character tag team mode
>Rebellion style combined attack
>Grief bar, once filled can be used to activate a time limited witch mode
Would you play it /a/?
>Madoka's greatest happiness is being with Homura
Any evidence for that? Homura's feelings for Madoka are completely unrequited.
>You started smoking cigars?
No one would do that but you, Mami...
>enslaving her consciousness to become essentially a hamster stuck in the most beautiful cage ever
Madoka's true happiness is Homura, and that's lost forever.
Madoka will obviously happier if Sayaka didn't exist.
Bitch like Sayaka always ruin everything in every timeline
Sure would. Made by the Melty Blood/Dengeki guys preferably. They make the cutest fighters.
Fuck off with your "Madoka is not truly happy being Madokami" shit.
They hinted Mami teaching others in the series. See this? Exact same type of magic as Mami's enchantment on Sayaka's bat.
What is every timeline Madoka becoming closest with Homura and her own words at the end of the series? Just because she's not obsessive like Homura doesn't mean she doesn't love her. Granted, she loves everyone, but Homura is her special one.
What? Kyouko is the one who is most likely to start smoking of the group.
Stop wearing Yuri-goggle so you can see something else in the movie instead of focus your mind to detect the pairing.
Yeah, her body could start smoking at any second.
i-it's not lost forever, Madoka just has to fight love with love
pls no more crying madoka
That sounds dangerous, she should go to see a doctor a about that.
>Homu tries to smoke
>"This doesn't appear to be doing anything."
>QB "Soul Gems are also able to neutralise toxins entering your body, isn't it great?"
Well too bad, bitch, you're too retarded to just take the pussy you're given. Now it's too late, you're an abomination and she's crying her eyes out into her magical pillow about how her crush didn't like her.
Madoka will never give up about Homu.
She has the tough girl act on the outside, but she's still rather soft on the inside.
Plus smoking makes food not taste as good and generally has some other effects she wouldn't care for. She's the type who would try it once or twice while trying to act punk, but would end up hating it before she throws up like a kid who tries drinking a beer at fourteen since the older cool kids seem to do it.
>didn't like her
u wot m8
I distinctly remember Homu grabbing herself a Madoka and not letting go.
Yup, which brings me to this image, which I had all along to prove my point and definitely didn't scour the internet for.
She could stand to work her dawdle a little less than. Homu is in a bit of sane-girl danger here.
Pls stop bullying Homu
> work her dawdle a little less than
I'm gonna sit the next few rounds out.
>homu homu has no soul gem now
>only that crown thing and her earring
>she probably had a grief seed at one point
Can't bully the willing.
I don't think Mami would smoke, she cares too much about her appearance and health to do that, I can see her drink a little when she's alone and depressed though.
Would smoking affect her health?
also more meguca wrestling
>"Give up on Miki Sayaka!"
>"I'll never give up!!"
nanoha > madoka
Why couldn't she wait a little bit? Grabbing so quickly, pulling so hard, it made everything super complicated.
I always felt like a casual for liking John Cena, but if Homura employs the same moves as him, I guess I'm in the clear.
Homu what are you doing? Stahp!
Madokas are for being gentle with.
She only likes bully if is Madoka who is doing it.
Madoka probably likes it complicated
Madoka Kaname: 3 hours casual sex, 8 hours if with someone she loves (Urobochi notes, though, that Madoka would probably never engage in the former)
Miki Sayaka: 1 hour casual sex, 2 hours with someone she loves
Akemi Homura: 30 minutes casual sex, 45 minutes with someone she loves (Due to her health problems)
Mami Tomoe: 3 hours casual sex, 5 hours with someone she loves
Sakura Kyoko: 4 hours casual sex, 0 minutes with someone she loves (Urobochi said that Kyoko would be too shy to approach someone she had feelings for)
Goofy looking bitch.
This is as out-of-date as the power-level chart is at this point.
Impractical outfit too.
You try waiting a little bit when your Madoka shows up again after abandoning you in the universe.
>not even human anymore
Also, imagine if Homura died during sex with Madoka. That would turn Madoka into a witch for sure.
She looks like a male
o yea, i can see it if i squint my eyes really hard
and then shut them.
She looks like a man with short hair, kinda like Sayaka.
Any news about rebellion vol 2 and 3?
>I'm the biggest Homurafag ont he board
Nope. I am
Why do people talking about sexual intercourse between megucas?
It is obvious that they are pure.
Just a couple of shitposters. Best ignore them.
Nice lies anon.
Homura is so modest she even wears her stockings in the pool.
>You... you've got such a strong scent Homura-chan...
>That's just... that's just...
>Because I only have one set of my transformation clothes...
What. I assumed they just magically cleaned themselves.
>Even her fanboys are this obsessive
Welp. Being Homu is just sin.
What kind of play is this?
>implying I'm lying
I am more homu than you will ever be.
Welcome to Homuism, anon.
Fucking twitter I swear.
Homu is a bad girl.
anon, don't even go there. the doujin does not continue in a pleasant direction. there are penises. I don't remember who had what because so far I've successfully blocked it from memory.
What if Mami became the new goddess instead of Madoka?
It's a doujin. Homu's costume doesn't even have pantyhose, she's got that weird pantyhose/heels hybrid.
What kind of date is this?
I don't really like the new Homu of Forest Village, she's not beta enough.
That's kind of hot
>implying that penises are bad
The best kind.
>implying she was ever beta
the world would be far better off
>a world without witches where the megucas could be friends and have tea together
Also, nobody would become a devil because they love Mami in a weird obsessive way and want her back.
I would force happiness on Homu.
Someone made a wish that Madoka couldn't be a magical girl if I recall, so much to Homura and Madoka's surprise Madoka gets turned into a boy and has trouble dealing with it. It's actually not too badly handled and takes a bit of time to get into the story before any porn really shows up which on occasion is nice, and there's this whole action thing at the end where Homura and her arsenal takes on Walpugis now that Madoka literally cannot contract in that world-line. Shit goes wrong as of course Homura cannot win, but maybe one last act of divine intervention grants them a final chance of salvation.
Devil Homu and goddess Madoka show up near the end if I recall. If you're able to overlook one penis or don't have a phobia then it really isn't that bad at all in terms of style.
>Kyubey will never be saved from Homura's crimes
>The innocent will continue to suffer
She always has been and always will be beta, anon.
Can't say I expected this sort of ending going into it, but it delivered well enough.
>not save Coobs
i don't like these options
Did you see the same Moemura I did?
Kyubey is kind of an idiot. He should have just ran away form Homu instead of bothering her while she was sitting.
She never really was unless you count the beginnings of episode 10
Everything else is blatant direct out in the open focus on Madoka
>Do nothing wrong
>Save the universe and countless lives every passing second
>Get enslaved by a psychotic girl who rewrote reality out of lust
Being an Incubator is suffering.
Lets just take Walpugis..
all he/she/it wanted was contracts
and shoot it into space
Kyubey went past ethically questionable when he put Homura in that isolation field, though I suppose we kinda owe him for that. Without the isolation field, Homu probably couldn't AI YO.
I don't even remember why Walmartpugilist was a big deal. Was it because it made natural disasters happen? All it seemed to do was float around like a retard.
it was basically twenty normal witches fused into one super being that was Anti-City rather than the usual Anti-human like you tend to see in witches.
It's like a bunch of F5 tornadoes that just keep converging into one super tornado
basically this >>101601544
Nonmagics would view it as a fucking massice tornado
How did Homura lost her right foot?
She does things for Madoka but never tries to get the Madoka, that how beta as you get.
Does someone remember a Geico commercial-like Coobie video?
Check that image
She shot herself. >>101600767
>Madoka goes through all the trouble of changing reality so that magical girls don't have to become witches
>Homura's in an entirely new universe created by this sacrifice
>Her first thought is to tell the wish-granting aliens who obsess over efficient energy production that they're doing it wrong and that witches used to exist
>It's QB's fault for trying to be efficient and increase the girl-to-energy ratio
I bet you don't even think about the off-screen Incubator foreman that is burning his ass night and day to keep up quota.
Who would you like to see get main focus for the inevitable sequel? Kyouko for me.
Mami and Nagisa.
Putting the spread pages together on a whim
Oh, that doujin with boy Madoka, someone mentioned it was very edgy, so I never bothered to open it after downloading it.
I want to watch Mami's Manly Adventures.
I'm having a hard imagining it will be anyone other than Sayaka
Fuck Nagisa, I hope she fucking dies so we can move to more interesting things.
>>Her first thought is to tell the wish-granting aliens who obsess over efficient energy production that they're doing it wrong and that witches used to exist
Homura was playing a step ahead of the incubators. She knew what they'd try to do, and saw her chance to get a Madoka.
>of course, that's the kind of creatures you are
I hope she's at least feeding him plenty of grief cubes.
I wouldn't really say edgy
>Not wanting a older/younger pairing
Mami and Kyouko a best siblings.
So mean. She didn't even get a chance to develop yet.
But if they don't do it in the next installement then to hell with her.
I'd be okay with Mami and Kyouko raising Nagisa and Yuma. Make a cute SoL.
Kyoko Sakura Trick
Mami and Kyouko have a year apart, that's enough.
Bebe > Nagisa > Charlotte monster
I would call that not being despicable. Obviously anyone who's as serious as Homura is about protecting Madoka is not going to waste time on self obsession about "getting" the Madoka.
Well, until circumstances proved to her that it'd be better to take the Madoka, and so Rebellion happened.
Nagisa > Charlotte > Bebe
It's shit. Just ignore it's existence all together. It's like the magical girl next door except only slightly better, but it's still absolutely terrible.
>It's like the magical girl next door
Nah, you're just mad because Madoka is a boy.
Because of one futa scene?
But magical girl next door is hilarious in a meta sense. Once the truth of the story comes out it doesn't hurt that much.
It's by far not that bad at least
Nothing is perfect, but it's definitely not anywhere near as bad as a story where Madoka is raped, beaten, and killed for a month or more.
Talking about tk, is planning to do something for Rebellion?
I'm kind of wondering if Devil Homura turned Madoka back into a girl at the end.
Thankfully she wasn't raped in TK's doujin.
>Once the truth of the story comes out
You mean that is based on a real story or there's something I'm not getting?
Yep, it's hard to take something seriously when a talentless piece of shit has to rip off a real incident to make money. But it's still bad how it happened in real life.
Glad to see the reference here.
I would say you have to have talent to adapt a real event using fictional character and still make it interesting, especially consistently.
>and still make it interesting
Hahahaha. He's a fucking talentless hack.
You can say whatever you want about his stories but say it's not interesting is just silly, anon.
>a world without witches where the megucas could be friends and have together
So... Hidamari Sketch?
There's absolutely nothing interesting about a poorly written piece of shit doujin.
The Incubators have a set quota for Earth. As long as it's possible to achieve that quota through normal means eventually, anything extra is just being greedy. Yet they do it twice - once trying to summon Gretchen to gain all the remaining energy and destroy the world at the same time, and once using the isolation field to try to try to improve the process by enslaving Madoka.
QB a shit.
I'd watch it.
I don't think Homura cares about the gender of Madoka while she's still Madoka.
Reminder that Mami is love, Mami is life.
The system for magical girls is not only limited to earth.
Mami a fat.
Ah, was going to quote >>101604760
Mami is friendship, Homura is love.
>Implying Mami can be fat when she has endless loneliness eating away at her 24/7
Eating away the loneliness is fairly common, but she does have a child now so no need to look after her figure quite as much it seems.
Said kid probably eats her quite often, she needs to look pretty for her.
Fuck off, both of you.
Is Sayaka kill?
She sure is eating away that loneliness.
love abusing friendship
Post fat megucas.
Mami is loneliness, Mami is everything, Mami is eternal.
The only thing that's gaining weight on Mami are her big fat bouncy drills.
What the fuck is Homura doing ? She has to get closer if she want to do something.
It's okay Mami, we know you're a lolicon.
Maximum lewd achieved.
They should have an SOL anime with me as the main love interest.
I could go for that.
I'm really getting tired of your bullshit.
Kyoko and Sayaka would fight over me. Kyoko would be tsundere.
>Madoka aired 3 years ago
They should, and it should be about how your actions only make Sayaka hurt and suffer more and more.
Nah, she'll fall more and more in love with me. It'll be sweet!
Still waiting on another anime to evoke a reaction out of /a/ on par with that of Madoka. Also waiting for an anime as good.
After everyone's done with her maybe.
What is Sayaka's problem with the new world again?
pls don't do that to Homura's rape toy
>What is Sayaka's problem with the new world again?
She's still a bitch
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
happy ending for madohomu but still a living high school romance hell for her
You forgot the image.
But she has a Kyouko.
Homura just need Madoka as a rape toy, faggot.
Is this hell?
What's Neo's problem with the Matrix again? Everyone inside seems pretty happy.
Kyouko is her FRIEND
>Homura breaks Madoka's heart and becomes evil incarnate so that Madoka can never save her and they can never be together
But it's not a matrix or dream world, it's an actual reality.
Yes. Her friend. Totally not homosexual at all.
>ever not loving Homura
Just give up. You are literally the only person who finds this meme funny.
If Homura's universe is just a barrier, then Madokami's universe was a barrier too.
Of course, and Madoka/Homura are best friends too.
Except we see Homura barrier expand and cover the universe.
>it's an actual reality
For people who's been part of LoC and experienced all previous lives all realities are relative.
This particularly one happened to be under the authoritarian rule of a crazed little girl.
>your best friend completely betrays you and brainwashes you so you don't remember anything
>best friend also denies her salvation to become an entity of evil that would put her at odds with you for all eternity
The more Madoka cares for Homura, the more tragic this is for her since she lost her forever.
I think the overzealous reactions to it are kind of funny, does that count?
We see the same thing with Madokami in episode 12. In fact that scene is much longer than Homura's barrier in Rebellion.
>completely betrays you
You mean "keeps the promise she made to you in timeline 3"
I don't think Homura is lost forever. She's not made of evil, she's made of love.
I think your mom is kind of funny. Does that count?
as opposed to the authoritarian rule of incubators and 'entropy'?
it looks like everyone is largely free to do what they want anyway, despite this silly claim that everyone is a puppet
Homura's original wish is to be the one not protected by Madoka, but the one who protects her. And since Madoka is such a genius she became a god (and kinda regrets the decision since she left everyone behind), what else can Homura do other than become god, or well, the devil herself?
>and kinda regrets the decision since she left everyone behind),
Your whole post, save this line, is accurate.
See to me, incubators plus the modified magical girl system plus a goddess who's only intervention in the world is to take magical girls to a blissful afterlife is much more palatable than a world where your memories and your very essence of being are constantly under threat from the whims of a questionably sane god
From the official movie brochure
>The Madoka in this story is the real Madoka, who has lost her memories of becoming a god. She’s not a fake or Homura’s creation. What she says in the field of flowers is what she’s really feeling at the time. That scene may seem overly sentimental at first glance, but if you think of everything Homura does afterward, her feelings will come across more easily.
Okay I'm a Homufag but there's no evidence Madoka regrets becoming god. The flowery field scene in Rebellion has is from Madoka not knowing shit about what really happened. If she didn't want to be god anymore, she wouldn't have complained when Homura AI YO'd her.
>planned the whole thing from the beginning to get her Madoka back
>We see the same thing with Madokami in episode 12
We only see a white screen, in Homura case we clearly see the barrier (the black stuff) expanding and covering the universe.
Madoka rewrote the universe unconsciously when she created a paradox by erasing witches, Homura uses her barrier to manipulate the universe, even the symbolism connected to the Nutcracker tells you that her world is just another dream.
No one said it was a fake Madoka. Besides, Shinbo and Butcher said totally different things on whether of not that Madoka was "real" or not, so don't use their word. Just look at the movie itself. Anyway, a Madoka with no context said that she wouldn't want to be god. That doesn't mean that a Madoka with context regrets it.
Did she complained? All she said is "stop it Homu you are tearing apart!" which is the logical reaction to being ripped off from another dimension or something.
She never did save Madoka, rather even unto the end of the series she was just one who was protected. Some people like to say "Still counts, she stopped her front contracting once earlier on and saved her from a witch" but that is so fucking not the same thing. Otherwise you could just as easily say she saved her a dozen other times in other time-lines, and just like that she apparently fulfilled her end of the bargain long ago despite the fact that Madoka still dies in the end either way.
She never fulfilled her wish, that's iron clad, but she was willing to try to hold it out for Madoka if she believed that this is what Madoka wanted. However this was running Homura ragged as well not being able to see her, never having saved her, and when she saw an opportunity that said that maybe Madoka wasn't happy with the arrangement and that she only did it because she had no choice but to save everyone she went back into "I'll save your Meguka" mode.
sure, so you're on the incubator side and want everyone to be separated from those they love
and the shit about blissful afterlife is something you made up
don't care how bad you want to make it look, what Homura did can be seen as objectively good on the same level as Madoka
I think she said "I don't want this"
This is why no one can be trusted with my Sayaka.
We saw Madoka's barrier-like thing expanding across the universe in two stages.
>planned the whole thing from the beginning to get her Madoka back
Are faggot still pushing this shit? There's absolutely nothing to support this shit.
I dislike the incubators as much as anyone else but I still think Godoka's world is better.
Incubators at least offers you a choice in contracting, if Homura wants to fuck with you in her world you wouldn't even see it coming.
Also, from what we see Yuri Heaven looks to be a pretty nice place. Both Sayaka and Nagisa came back at peace with themselves unlike in their previous lives.
>Of course you would, that's the kind of creatures you are.
We didn't exactly get an akuma tier smug look when she said that, but it still counts.
You talk about Gretchen? The one that Madokami destroys?
I don't think Homura's world is fake or anything like that since Kyubey says that it's the same thing that happened when Madoka rewrote the universe.
Like I said, absolutely fucking nothing.
But is Gretchen really destroyed? Madoka supposedly destroys all witches before they're created, but Sayaka can still use Oktavia.
She didn't think Madoka was at risk anymore, she thought they were fighting together, Madoka in the heavens and her on earth. As time went on she began to doubt herself and despaired over her passionate feelings for some deity she may or may not have made up, and longed to see her again until she despaired. That's when the Incubators sprung their trap, reopened all of her old wounds, put doubt in her mind about Madoka's safety and happiness, and drove her to become a devil to get the best outcome for Madoka. She doesn't believe salvation can exist for someone as rotten and treacherous as her, so her love manifests as evil in the new world. She was not planning anything prior to the dream world, she just wanted to be with Madoka again.
That's irrelevant, Madoka didn't use the barrier of Gretchen to rewrite the universe.
What if Ultimate Madoka is just Gretchen with Madoka back in control?
Well that's a lot more depressing. I just want to see Homu being okay and having a luminous with Madoka again.
That's the idea. Madoka and Gretchen are samefag.
Homu can always luminous with Saotome.
Is not false per se, because is something that really happen but for the characters is not going to be a real world because they saw when Homura changed the world (ripping Madoka in half).
How about with Nakazawa?
Either way is fine
That picture is super lewd.
>Madoka and Gretchen are samefag.
Yes, because witches are part of them, that still doesn't prove that she use her to rewrite the universe.
It's not lewd at all!
It doesn't prove it, but it could be possible. Odds are that two megucas rewrote the universe in similar ways.
I don't see how so. Want some lewd Homu as a frame of reference?
Yes it is. Look at her index finger and that gaze.
Clip girl must be bi curious.
Just look at how she looks at Nakazawa.
I bet Nakazawa's the same way.
Gay? Straight? Either way's fine.
Then that can only mean one thing. Madoka is getting Homu'd.
Except for the whole "locked out of yuri valhalla" thing
>can't go back to Gretchen's collective until they die after getting a second chance at a better life
What a shame.
Can they even return by dying at this point? Homura said "you've become unable to return to where you belong". That doesn't sound like a temporary thing. Plus, they're already dead.
God dammit /a/! Why do I care more about these background characters than the main cast? (barring Homura and Sayaka)
>not caring about Mami
You are so mean, anon.
Because you're retarded.
I don't think death has meaning for LoC girls any more. They've already experienced every possible death through all the parallel universes when they arrive at yuri valhalla.
>It doesn't prove it, but it could be possible
A extremely small possibility, yes, but there's a most likely explanation which is that when Madoka erase the witches she created too many inconsistencies in the universe to support itself, so to correct this it reboots itself.
wow, are megukas snakes?
Glasses guy behind Homura is totally leaning back so that he can get a better look at her ass.
If I sat behind Homura, I'd do more than look at her ass.
No meaner than everyone else.
>yfw mumi ties up girls so they won't leave her, not because she's a pervert
If pic related isnt in the next sequel i'm going to flood the internet with 0/10 reviews
Mami only tie up Homura because she keeps trying to fucking kill her.
She never tried to kill Mami. She just shows up autisticly in episode 3 and tries to kill her only friend in Rebellion.
How very convenient
Viking a shit, Bear a best.
You a shit, loli viking meguca is the purest and best.
Purest is never best.
I realy like those Kyoko and Sayaka´s corpe images
Oh, boy. Stating something like that when the very show this thread is about contradicts it.
but best girl is so impure she's literally the devil
I'd sketch out her entire back side and give it to her as a gift. I'd also follow her around town like I did girls I had crushes on back in high school.
I wonder how Homura would respond getting a confession letters from guys in class.
Homura get off /a/. Don't you have Madoka's hair to be sniffing or something?
I'm not Homu, just a Homufag.
I think we are not understanding us, anon. It's like we are talking about two totally different girls.
I can whisper it in your ears if you want.
You make a fine Homufag then.
I'd sniff Homura's hair. And run my hand through it because it looks soft
Being best at tea parties does not make you best meguca.
What if I confess in person?
Please refrain from touching Homu without her permission.
I have to admit angel Mami-san is pretty cool
Bullshit, if you're not good at tea parties you're not good at anything!
But she is also the best at being a meguca.
Don't you remember Rebellion?
Would work better confessing to moeblob Homura, instead of hardened time-traveling hitman Homura.
You never know, maybe Hommando could use someone to vent all her frustration on.
And by "vent" I mean of course intense, fingers clawing into the back style sex.
But I can't help it.
You can be good at becoming the devil while being too autistic for tea parties.
Only because she's been doing it the longest. If Homura was actually a meguca for 10 years and had a chance to use her powers in situations other than the few she repeated over and over, she'd be strongest meguca.
Wishful thinking. She may want someone to beat up though, in which case, I'd oblige.
I know her hair is utterly amazing, but you can't go around touching it without asking her, anon. It's disrespectful.
Only if that someone is Madoka.
What if gunfire drives her ecstasy?
I'll let her shoot me until I die and afterward if she wants.
I can see that actually. Whenever she needs to blow off some steam she will just go to somewhere quiet, line up some oil drums, put on time freeze and go nuts with all manner of weapons.
She'd have autistic rage fits too.
A meguca's wish is related to her power in battle. Homura have a limited potential, relaying almost entirely in her timestop, meanwhile Mami's tricks are way more versatile.
Take her time advantage away, and you have left a decent shooter but that is just not enough.
And I am pretty sure that Homura has been doing her timeloops for at least a year. Having to fight Walpurgis over and over again, I can't imagine any other "training" as effective and intensive.
Hikki Homu is best Homu
No, all Homu is best Homu.
It's not effective if she never figures out how to beat it on her own.
Also, bowmura doesn't have her shield so it can be assumed she doesn't have her time stop power anymore. Her powers are probably closer to Madoka's at that point thanks to the rewritten universe.
Then rebellion starts and all we got of bowmura is a single scene of wraith shooting.
Akuma a shit.
Why do they give Homura so many different character designs?
>yfw her blanket is Sayaka's cape
MONEY MONEY MONEY
Because she deserves it.
>her blanket is better that Sayaka's cape
She's been through a lot of shit
Wouldn't they make money by giving all the megucas a bunch of different designs?
>Implying they 'gave' her anything
Homura is an ascended being who actually did all of those things in the meta world, and her story serves as a muse for for the PM Quartet and Inu Curry.
Mami would get neglected, as usual.
Blanket HomuMado is best
Blanket MadoSayaHomu is better.
Disgusting. Get Sayaka out of there.
I only watched the original madoka and it left kind of a bad taste in my mouth.
Is the new stuff not as bleak, and is there more dialog as opposed to suffering for suffering's sake?
Blanket Sealotter is the best.
Don't be silly, Sayaka will bring Madoka and Homura back together. You'll see.
>suffering for suffering's sake?
Looks like you missed the point. You shouldn't watch Rebellion or read any of the spinoffs. Madoka isn't for you.
Madoka and Homura can't fuck with Sayaka watching, as that would be too lewd.
No, just fuck off. Sayaka is not apart of this. This is between Madoka and Homura.
Ah right I forgot about the near EVA levels of pretense around it too. forgive me edgy-sama
Yes, Homura's doing a lovely job of screwing it up. Looks like it's up to Sayaka-chan to save the day once again.
end of meguca when?
kyoko fapping over sayaka's unconscious body when?
Is Sayaka going to teach Homura how to be a slut?
Right. Feel free to leave now.
No, she's going to teach Homura how to do friendship properly.
So you really want them to shit all over Sayaka's character and turn her into some perfect problem solver?
Was that strictly necessary?
Well, I wouldn't go that far. Anon may be immature now, but we all have that point. Eventually we come back to the great shows we watched when we were young, and we understand them on a completely different level, and that's awesome. I think that anon should just dive right in.
For my part, I came for Kyouko's fang, and stayed for the most amazing display of dramatism I've ever seen in an anime.
I don't see how her being a helper shits on her character. She came to the mortal plane to help Homura in the first place, after all. Which she never got a thank-you for by the way!
If Sayaka comes in with all the "right" answers and combats the big bad "evil" Homura and "fixes" everything, the series is dead.
Homura could certainly use that.
I want to see Sayaka calling Homura a devil at inappropriate times. I want to see their teacher talking to Junko about the goofy looking girl with the overactive imagination. I want to see Madoka break the awkward tension with "Sayaka-chan, you're being weird!"
Because she didn't help Homura, she just gave her a shitty and confusing advice and went to do her thing because she thinks she's so much better that her.
How the hell can Sayaka teach anyone about friendship? She fucked shat all over Madoka when Madoka just wanted to help her, and she fucked up big time and turned into a witch. That was the whole point of her fucking character. She was a fuck up and she suffered because of her arrogance and naivete.
This is now a best girl thread.
Use your imagination, there's plenty of ways for this to play out.
For one, Homura has screwed with Sayaka's memory explicitly so she doesn't remember about the old universe. So firstly she has to recover her memory, which probably means defying Homura and getting in volved in situations similar to what she's experienced in previous lives to jolt her memory.
Then she has to get other megucas on her side. Kind of hard to do when Kyouko has been totally reworked.
Plenty of opportunity there for some brand new suffering before we even get to Homura.
Everyone makes mistakes anon.
Oh, simmer down, you, I'm being overly optimistic of course. Obviously things aren't going to go so simply. I would like to see Sayaka try to talk some sense into Homura though.
Uh, you seem to be forgetting the whole escape from the isolation field which Sayaka personally orchestrated.
Because she's supposedly at peace with her despair now.
Also she's not autistic as Homura.
Homu was already posted.
Yes, that was her lowest moment. Everyone has one. She's better now, okay? She was purified. Homura should try it sometime.
You Sayakafags are acting like she's perfect or some shit and has all the right answers. Like her philosophy is somehow better than Homura's (despite the fact that it got her killed) and she's going to make everything right. Fuck that shit.
I'm not acting like she's perfect in the slightest and I don't think anyone else is either. Seriously calm down.
>OH SAYAKA"S GONNA COME AND TEACH HOMU HOW TO BE A GOOD FRIEND
Shit makes me mad, anon. Maybe it shouldn't but it really does.
Homura wouldn't like it. Keep your filthy hands off her suffering.
Who said she was perfect? She just made a stupid decision and paid the price in the end.
Someone needs to chill a bit.
It definitely shouldn't because those posts were mostly in jesting tones and excuses to post cute pictures of the three of them anyway. I don't actually think Sayaka is going to teach Homura about friendship. You need to work on your knee-jerk reactions.
How can she know if she's never tried it? Being purified is the best, all the cool kids are doing it!
But what does that mean? I want to actually see Sayaka grow up as a person. Sometimes it seems like people treat Sayaka like a wizened old sage when all she did was grow out of her puppy-love years.
How has she grown as a character? If given a moral dilemma, how would she approach it differently from how her old self would have tackled it? If Kyouko refutes her ideal of justice once again, how will she respond?
Gretchen was about oblivion, she got rid of grief by getting rid of life itself. Plus you're a massive homu apologist if you think Madokami with humanity = Gretchen.
Yup, all of humanity's magical girl population now most likely cease to exist when they die. All so Madoka can have 80-90 years of what Homura believes is happiness.
I'm sorry. I just have to defend Homura no matter how insignificant or facetious the attack is. It's an obligation.
If anyone is going to teach anything, it'll be Homura teaching Sayaka something.
I don't know, it does seem like a lot of people seriously believe Sayaka needs to "fix" what Homura did.
Sayaka is a shitty friend, she's always creating problems for others and everytime she try to do something nice for somebody it ends in disaster, while Homura took horrible decisions she did more for Madoka that Sayaka has ever done for any friend.
>how will she respond?
She'll talk down on her like an arrogance fucking bitch with that goddamn condescending smile she gave Homura. Because Sayaka knows everything! Sayaka is always right.
I doubt her ideals have changed, she's just less likely to go about them in as immature a way.
News flash anon, a lot of people think what Homura did was bad! There have been volumes written already discussed that very topic. Of course people want it to be fixed, and Sayaka is one of the candidates to try and do that.
Becoming the master of your own suffering is the best. Being purified is just weak.
Sayaka is a goddamn idiot. She's not going to fix shit. Bitch is just going to get clapped again. Fuck her.
You seem to have some Sayaka-related issues anon. Do you want to talk about it?
What a profound contribution to the ongoing Hope vs. Love debate. Homura would be proud, I'm sure.
I don't hate Sayaka, I hate you people for treating her like a different person just because she smiles more and seem a bit more sure of herself in Rebellion.
It seems like you're just wildly attacking Sayaka's character in response to any post which mentions her, so I find that about hard to believe. Unless you're simply being petty and pretending to hate her when you do not.
Any amount of suffering and evidence that Homura fucked up Madoka's planned universe will not be enough for a sequel. Fuck, didn't ever suspect I'd be looking forward to one of the main six suffering.
Being purified mean master your own suffering, anon, its just in a least harmless way.
>How has she grown as a character?
Oh oh, I got one. Sayaka use to be a very black and white person, once she's made up her mind about something she absolutely refuses to see the other side's point of view.
She volunteered to go rescue Homura and she's obviously pretty against that sort of escapism. However instead of beat over Homura's head about she said something like "Is that something so bad? To dream up a world where everyone could join forces and live together peaceful? Is the one who desire for this so perverse that it must be exterminated?"
See she's seeing Homura's point of view and telling her that she doesn't consider what Homu is doing to be anything wrong in principle. And it's up to Homura herself to decide if she wants to wake up or keep dreaming.
That ability to see both side of the issue is definitely a new found maturity that did not exist before.
>giving a collective, prejudicial label to everyone who disagrees with you
Please stop with the fallacious judgment so that this discussion isn't reduced to a pissing contest.
>baseless speculation that contradicts what Homura said about the Law of Cycles not being tampered with
This isn't just unsubstantiated, because that implies a neutral position. No, all signs point to the opposite. If the Law of Cycles is shorted out, how come only Madoka's emissaries are present in the real world? Where are all of the other LoC girls that should be living their normal lives in Mitakihara again?
Right, but I guess the tone that some people have is that Sayaka is the hero and Homura is the idiot, or something.
As long as it's not that, I'm find with Sayaka playing a prominent role.
Threads are fully of people saying "Homura did nothing wrong", yet saying Sayaka is a hero is off-limits? Seems a little unfair, doesn't it?
>a lot of people think what Homura did was bad!
because they are fucking idiot alien worshiping impotent whiners
Sayakafags want to throw away what makes the series special in favor for making Sayaka a perfect character and Homura a generic villain. Sayaka will kill her and save Madoka. The end. Wait, no, not the end. Then we can get a good old fashioned SOL Beach OVA! Staring Sayaka and Kyoko making out.
Go away, Homura doesn't want anyone's help. Homu has made herself beyond saving now.
>what Homura said about the Law of Cycles not being tampered with
>steal the main core of the Law of Cycles isn't tamper with the Law of Cycles
That seems like a reasonable point of view. I'm sure you've thought through both sides of the argument very carefully before coming to the conclusion that the entirety of the opposing side is "fucking idiot alien worshiping impotent whiners."
Except again, no one said any of that. Personally I think the fact that both sides are shades of gray is what makes the conflict so interesting. Please, stop your persecution complex or whatever the hell it is that makes you assume the worst of everyone who dares to mention Sayaka in a positive light.
Did you read the next couple of words?
There's no problem with hero Sayaka by itself.
I've never heard a Sayakafag ask for that kind of ending unless they were joking around. Most are content with Sayaka being the catalyst that bonds Madoka with Madokami allowing her to talk to Akuma Homura about this problem as equals.
I was paraphrasing. I think representing either side as flawless is foolish, but apparently only one of them bothers you. Why is that?
Agreed there. That's a sign of growth that I thought was handled very well. Instead of jumping to conclusions, Sayaka sought to empathize with Homura and work with her, not against her.
If you ask me, personal growth doesn't overwrite the core components of one's personality, but rather, it entails the formation of a new layer, adding depth to a character. I bring this up because in the end, we see that when Sayaka is shocked and appalled by Homura's actions, her core resurfaces and she goes on an judgment/assumption-rant like she always used to. "What are you up to, Akemi Homura? . . . Do you intend to destroy the world? . . . I will never forget that you are the -devil-!"
I thought that was cool. We can learn to step out of our comfort zone but we can't change how we're wired.
First off nothing can really be confirmed but it's been argued Nagisa and Sayaka are still around simply because they were present at the AI YO; making them both abnormalities in the new universe like Homura was for Madoka's universe.
If you ask me, I think the Law of Cycles is now just the non-sentient, imperceptible concept that Mami thought it would be in the first place.
Maybe there could be an end where Sayaka brings Homura back to the good side and gets Madoka together with her.
But hey. It's bad because Homura can't be seen 10000 times reversing her mistakes over and over again.
Homura isn't the generic villain and even as a Sayakafag I wouldn't want anything you have written.
All I want for every of those 5 girls is to have a sleepover together and be happy and free of worries because of witches or the fact that they have to kill some to prevent dying themselves.
I just want them to have a happy life.
What? That's not a representation of two equal sides. Sayaka as the hero that will fix everything and Homura as the villain that needs to be defeated?
Yes, one of them bothers me, the oversimplification of what Homura did as all bad. Sayaka being good can still exist without Homura being all bad, you know. I have no problem with that.
I share that opinion anon, though I take it a step further by arguing since its now just a concept and not a goddess then that means there is no Yuri Valhalla where magical girls go when they die. What most likely happens now is the girl's soul is obliterated with the witch.
I know I love that scene. What really rustles my jimmies is people actually say "HUH why is Sayaka so smug, going up to Homura and telling her cryptic shit instead of actually telling she's in her own dream world and help her."
They handed that scene perfectly and it flew right over people's head.
Sayaka being all good should not exist. She's not all good and never should be.
>Sayaka brings Homura back to the good side
I'm literally disgusted.
No, the other side I'm referring to is the "Homura did nothing wrong" crowd. The people who say that there is literally no reason for anyone to be upset with what Homura did.
Good intentions that basically sacrificed the afterlife of all magical girls for Madoka's sake.
>The road to hell is paved with good intentions
There is no happiness left for Homura, anon. She's given up on herself and her own salvation. She knows her future is only suffering and emptiness.
But she goes ahead anyway to just maybe bring some happiness to Madoka.
Why? Have you internalized Homura's point of view to such an extent that you are literally incapable of considering the opposing point of view without anything more than a silly emotional reaction? You'll never really understand Rebellion if you're looking at it from only one side, you know.
It's easy to figure out when you consider the window as the opening between the mortal and spiritual planes. Homura never goes through the window or does anything to affect what is on the other side. She merely seals it shut.
Given that, why Sayaka and Nagisa's presence be considered an abnormality in the first place? If you take in a stray cat for the night and shut your windows and doors, logically the cat is not going to return to where it came from overnight.
They're abnormalities in the sense that they shouldn't exist on Earth at all; they've been cut off from their primary purpose for existence.
>You'll never really understand Rebellion if you're looking at it from only one side, you know.
Not him, but I'm imagining Sayaka saying that with a smug look on her goofy looking face.
The disgust comes from the gross oversimplification of both sides, along with the implication that Sayaka is the good side and that Homura isn't on it or some shit like that. What the fuck is the good side anyway? Absolutely disgusting.
Oh, it does get the point across. She didn't do anything wrong, it's like saying Madoka did wrong by leaving Homura, her friends, and her family.
Homura did nothing wrong.
Madoka did nothing wrong.
Sayaka will likely do nothing wrong.
Uh guys, you don't think that if yuri valhalla was destroyed, obliterating the souls of countless little girls, that would be an important point that the movie would have brought up?
That's like assuming the entire world outside of Mitakihara's metropolis is wasteland just because we see Homura in a desert a lot. There could be something to it, but why would you assume the worst-case scenario without any literary or canon evidence to suggest such a thing?
Homura thinks of herself as opposed to the "good" side though. That's the entire basis for her calling herself a devil.
I didn't realize I was Homura. As I Homufag, do I need to think everything she thinks now? There is no good side, Homura is wrong.
Maybe because what Homura needed is help and no fucking sympathy, Sayaka is in a perfect position to really help and explain the situation to Homura and she do nothing, which ends with Homura misunderstanding Madoka words and AI YO, I'm not blaming everything on Sayaka but she definitely has part of blame on this.
>but why would you assume the worst-case scenario without any literary or canon evidence to suggest such a thing?
idiot alien worshiping impotent whiners
Well...okay. I think it's kind of strange that you'd defend Homura's actions while at the same time denying the emotions behind it. Even still, I don't see what's wrong with framing the conflict the way the characters do.
Homura would AI YO either way. With the flower field talk she was just more sure of herself.
>As I Homufag, do I need to think everything she thinks now?
Homu wouldn't even be a homufag.
Well I do. Terms like good and bad and right and wrong should be avoided at all costs.
Anything less would be a petty reason for the sequel to have Madoka bond with Madokami. If she really isn't needed at all in the universe then she should remain in the cage of human life.
>they shouldn't exist on Earth at all
They shouldn't? Why don't human beings with thoughts, feelings, hopes, and desires belong in the mortal world where they can live out a happy life? What is the logical basis for your argument?
Help tearing down the very dream world Sayaka was defending? Think about it, what could Sayaka have done? Told her that she was a witch? That would have just been cruel, even if Homura believed her. She gave enough hints to help her along the path to figure it out, and she was trying to help Homura not be so hard on herself. I don't see how you could blame Sayaka for anything that happened.
>Hurr Madokafags don't exist! Just Kyubeyfags
Pretty sure anyone who claims to be a kyubeyfag is full of shit anyways and just wants to play the devil's advocate for extreme utilitarianism.
They're dead. That's generally considered a fairly major impedance to living out any sort of life.
>Homura would AI YO either way. With the flower field talk she was just more sure of herself.
That's the whole point, faggot, that scene wouldn't even happen if Sayaka had explained the plan to her and that Madoka had no memoirs.
I love how Homura was so calm about not being human anymore.
Well, lately there's been some Qbfags (probably more like Anti-Homufags) who want to see Qb torture Homura in grotesque redundant manners. They want to see him take a vindictive role.
So in this case it would have been better if Sayaka saw things black and white?
No, that conversation would have happened at some point anyway. Homura needed to vent out her emotions about feeling alone in a world without Madoka. And Homura is obviously fully aware that that Madoka doesn't have her memories as a goddess, come on.
I don't really understand why they say they aren't human.
There was that one mean anon who wanted to hurt Homu. I pretend he doesn't exist.
Because they're overly sensitive about where their souls are stored.
No no, I think Sayaka handled that situation as well as she could. What is she suppose to do? Grab Homura, shake her around and go "You're stuck in a dream world transfer student, wake up!"
In Sayaka's view, weather to wake up or not is explicitly a decision for Homura herself to make. After all when the three of them first arrived in the dream world they didn't go about immediately freeing Homura. Had Homura decided that she's happier in her dream world they will probably let her be.
Remember what she asked Homura at the very end of that confrontation? "You also didn't answer my question: 'Do I care if I destroy this Mitakihara?' Think carefully before deciding so you won't regret it later." Homura choose to destroy her dream world, then does a 180 degree turn and proceed to AI YO the whole universe. If I was Sayaka I'll be a bit disappointed too.
Homura even make a point of knowing that this Madoka is unenlightened by telling her something along the lines of "I know if you were given the choice you'd be strong enough to make this sacrifice"
Defiling the spirit or whatever is a big deal to some people.
Seems like Kyoko and Homura are the only ones who didn't really care about that. Probably because they're the best megucas.
Well, it seems like an odd aversion to have when the characters aren't in disagreement about it, anyway.
"I think, therefore I am."
Megucas have thoughts and feelings just like everyone else. Why would the container for the soul matter at all?
also, new thread
I don't think Homura had any idea what would happen when she went AI YO, but as soon as she did she got some level of knowledge about things.
Wasn't Kyouko the one who asked Homura "how can you even call yourself human?" Or was it Sayaka?
It's because they're Christian, Kyoko (splinter of Anglican) Homura (Catholic)
They already have a concept of a separation of the soul and body.
Seems like there's been more lately. Unless that one Anti-Homufag is posting very frequently.
Yeah, but that wasn't because of the whole Soul Gem debacle.
It was Kyouko, after Sayaka was witched and Madoka found out about it.
I'm pretty sure Sayaka and Madoka aren't Christian, they're the ones who had the most problem with it.
>Grab Homura, shake her around and go "You're stuck in a dream world transfer student, wake up!"
Yes, that's better than letting fucking QB explain her situation and making things worse.
That's kind of funny. A Christian who is the devil.
How so? QB's great at explaining things. The results would have been the same either way.
Good and evil can mean a lot of different things. If you were to say Homura is evil and Sayaka is good, I would be thinking Homura is going around enacting evil or whatever while Sayaka is trying to save everyone.
That's not the case at all. Homura is only "evil" because she dethroned a goddess and has an attachment to the mortal world. Other than that, she's building some kind of new order, not destroying things or negating good.
That what I meant, Christians would be better off mentally because they already see the body and soul as two separate things. Meanwhile Buddhists/Shintoists like potentially Madoka and Sayaka have a negative cultural identity to death as impurity and what not.
Homura is more of a Madokami worshiper after episode 12.
No, I don't think there's anything wrong with letting QB explain it.
1. If Sayaka tries to explain it in the same terms, Homura is less likely to believe her.
2. Maybe the three of them don't actually know the exact purpose behind the Isolation Field, aside from the fact that it stops her soul gem from fully darken.
Oh. That makes sense.
The point is having a Christian background, not necessarily that they're still faithful to Christianity.
Like how a lapsed Catholic who is now agnostic will most likely still follow most Catholic ideology and views on the nature of the world.
I guess that explains why she calls herself a devil instead of something else.
>The results would have been the same either way.
You really believe that or are you being an idiot? QB only explains things for her own benefit and has no information on the Law of Cycles or the plan that Madoka has. Explain the situation is not easy but at least Sayaka can offer a helping hand after, while QB only offers solutions that are for his own good.
But Homura would have still required an explanation for the circumstances behind the isolation field. From here, one of two things can happen: either Sayaka knows exactly how isolation fields works and gives the exact same explanation as QB did, leading Homura to ask QB why he did all this, leading to the same conclusion. Or, Sayaka doesn't actually know how the isolation field works, so she has to ask QB anyway.
What differences does it make? Homura is a split second away from witching and she's only got two choices in front of her:
Stay in the dream world
Wake up, becoming a witch
Whatever leads to the second option being taken, the LoC gang is coming to burst that Isolation Field open and save Homura's soul.
Instead of forcing Homura to wake up they purposely gave that choice to her, so that she won't regret her decision.
No one expected AI YO to happen.
I don't see how knowing how the isolation field work helped her in make her decisions, she just needs to know that QB is trying to fuck with her and Madoka and that Sayaka can give her a solution.
>QB is trying to fuck with her and Madoka and that Sayaka can give her a solution.
Which is exactly what happens in the end anyway. How would that be different exactly?
She never got the memo of "Sayaka can give her a solution" part, anon.
And when Sayaka breaks her out of the isolation barrier, she seizes Madoka and goes AI YO. What about that situation would change if she knew about it beforehand?
What is AI YO?
Baby don't hurt me
I wouldn't be that surprised if he caved and worked on a full-fledged sequel, especially if it doesn't happen for a couple years.
Didn't we only write a couple episodes for Gargantia?
>Saw her chance to get a Madoka
Madoka was coming down to help her in the end anyway. Why was the Kyuubey plot necessary at all?