Bleach 567 Spoilers Summaries
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这话主要是露琪亚跟罗罗布打，露琪亚好像说要使出真正的袖白雪。 使使用者的身体温度下降到0度以下，然后使出了-18度，-50度几招，最后在绝对零度活动界限是4秒 罗罗布被冻住 本话完
Chapter is mainly Rukia fighting Aes. Rukia says she’ll use the real Sode no Shirayuki. The user’s body temperature drops to less than 0 degrees, and Rukia uses techniques which drop to -18, and then -50, and finally to absolute zero.
There’s something about an activity boundary limit of 4 seconds, but I can’t quite translate it properly.
an entire chapter that makes Hitsugaya look like an idiot compared to Rukia.
last week chinese spoilers were fake
No. Last week baidu got the entire raw chapter posted.
but before that for hours there was a fake chinese spoiler which was poorly translated into english by google translate (usually the fakes are by people who try translating it from english into chinese)
something about Juha being offered to join SS and shit.
It already happened a million fucking years ago when she first brought out Sode no Shirayuki. She blew up !Gin in like 5 seconds flat; suddenly Icekid's abilities include near-infinite regenerative capability when before it was just Ice and a cool Dragon.
sounds like fan fiction
I want Nanana to do something.
We Absolute Zero now?
and ten trillion skeletons doesn't?
>rukia literally can control when she is dead or not
>also has gone full saint seiya levels of overpowered
well holy crap.
>Rukia can momentarily kill herself
That's a new level of bullshitting, even for Kubo
And still nothing happened in this chapter, just bla bla bla
This arc will last for at least 8 more years of asspulls and boring fights
So now Rukia can fuck logic in the ass. Welcome to the club I guess?
>Asspulls and boring fights
You realize what you're reading right?
That's the main problem of this manga. Ichigo has basically one attack he spams in every fight. Compare that to MCs from a good manga.
Thought the same thing at the end of the chapter.
>super rasengan - with element powers we pulled out our collective asses 5 years into the fucking series
>giant rubber punch
>several giant rubber punches
>extra strong two handed rubber punch
>rubber punch that goes extra fast
>rubber punch that's fuckhuge
the luffy part in your post is obvious trolling but even rubber punch and rubber kick are still more moves ichigo has ever showed.
also i said GOOD manga
Don't get me wrong One Piece is the shit, but the thing you're arguing is silly. Attacks don't make fights interesting, things like damage, environment, fighting styles etc actually causing fights to evolve and change make them interesting. You know the shit that bleach and naruto for that matter did early on then forgot about after power levels spiked.
>things like damage, environment, fighting styles etc actually causing fights to evolve and change make them interesting
none of that describes an ichigo fight. it's only "look behind you" GETSUGA TENCHO, all that in front of a white background
The first soul society arc had a ton of it, right up until the kenpachi fight. Ichigo having to adapt to different fighting styles and all that. I think that's about the time they stopped actually.
>At absolute zero, the temperature at which all molecular movement stops, I can move
haha fuck you kubo
Saitama has like move.
It's alright anon, I'm sure he'll explain it with Rukia using a badly drawn chart later on.
so is kubo just outright ripping off jojo now
>jojo invented the absolute zero
>...stop saying nonsense.
>If you freeze your body below zero molecules will stop moving and you won't be able to live.
The dialog in this chapter was even retarded for bleach levels.
Ichigo ain't no Saitama.
It's like comparing Goku to some regular human
Half expected her to point out they're in the afterlife, so everyone's dead.
Are those shoulder blades? They are strangely arousing.
OK, three things:
1.) I love that Rukia actually looked competent, for a change. It's been so long that the character has been relevant that this is a welcome change of pace from what we usually get..
2.) I hate that Kubo still stupidly has his characters stop and explain their techniques to their opponents for no other reason to setup said character to get one-shotted by the next person that shows up. Yeah, it's Bleach and characters are fodderized to the point where battles feel wasted, but come the fuck on, man! Just shut the fuck up, beat your opponent and move on. If Kubo's going to do the explanation anyway, just have a third party do so, in thought, without revealing it to their opponent.
3) I've 'read' Bleach long enough to know that the ending of this chapter isn't setup to show that Rukia is looking badass, but that the Quincy Nazi guy is going to transform despite being dead, with Rukia's new technique conveniently being the prerequisite needed for them to do so. So a preemptive "FUCK YOU, KUBO!" is in order for the next chapter when this happens. Instilling fear into As Nodt's is the key to his power up.
>implying she isn't colder than absolute zero
Remember when Soul Society was still treated like an afterlife in Bleach? When shinigami were dead and humans were alive? When dying meant dying in the real world and becoming a spirit?
Now being a spirit is pretty much just treated as being alive, only with superpowers and very long lifespans. You can be double-dead like Rukia and Komamura now, apparently. I mean the story always had the implicit assumption that you could "die" a second time as a spirit but right now it's being taken to bullshit heights with being dead while being already dead but not quite dead-dead becoming a technique.
I thought Bleach was supposed to have ended like 2 years ago. Is Kubo still fucking dragging everything out at a snails pace?
>I've 'read' Bleach long enough to know that the ending of this chapter isn't setup to show that Rukia is looking badass, but that the Quincy Nazi guy is going to transform despite being dead, with Rukia's new technique conveniently being the prerequisite needed for them to do so. So a preemptive "FUCK YOU, KUBO!" is in order for the next chapter when this happens. Instilling fear into As Nodt's is the key to his power up.
Of course not.
Because that would mean Byakuya couldn't swoop in and save his imouto, Renji and revenge-rape As Nodt with his shikai. Can't go without pleasing them Byakuya fangirls after all.
>You can be double-dead like Rukia and Komamura now, apparently.
Komamura might even be triple dead. Living world dead -> Animal realm dead -> Soul society dead
>I'm currently not alive
Anyone think Kubo may have forgotten the initial premise of his own manga...
Spirits of the dead "dying" never made sense to begin with.
PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY ARE DEAD
I've stopped asking myself about all of that long time ago.
The amount of inconsistencies and plotholes about human death, soul society and whatnot is just ridicolous.
you're right its not like there's a pattern or anyth-
>bad guy whose power is turning things into bombs
That boat already sailed a long time ago.
don't even try to think about it.
Kubo doesn't care for the "plot" anymore
Where do you go when you die in SS?
>i am not alive
Yeah, we know, you are a fucking shinigami. No one in SS is alive not even those quincies. Fuck you, Kubo. Hitsugaya has frozen people before. Hiyori and Yamamoto were cut in half and survived. It takes much more than simply freezing to kill someone in Bleach.
Ass Knot will fuck her up in the next chapter.
The Dream Sleeve
Back to Bach
Remember that plot point about zanpaktou being able to purify hollows and send them to SS?
Remember the tons of arrancar that were struck down by shinigami during the winter war?
i think you mean four year long ponderous circle jerk in kakkura town
Pacing has been fine in this arc actually. Unless fights are involved then it gets pretty slow.
Arrancar are not just Hollows. They are Shinigami/Hollow hybrids I don't think they go to the SS when they die.
>Remember that plot point about zanpaktou being able to purify hollows and send them to SS?
>Remember the tons of arrancar that were struck down by shinigami during the winter war?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Who would win in a fight, Don Kanonji when he removes his limiters or Aizen?
Arrancar are actually not shinigami hollow hybrids, just hollows. That's why natural arrancar existed before aizen,
mr.satan would probably put the winner in a chokehold
You people are all stupid. We knew from the beginning about how the cycle of reincaration goes. Rukia considering herself "living" might be a little weird but we always knew she could die again which would make her reincarnate. People losing everything that makes them who they are and becoming some random baby god knows where is kind of terrifying.
just read and cant WTF enough
Spirits are alive, too.
Death seems just to be a process were souls go back and forth between two states of living.
Only annihilation of the soul is actual "Death".
Rukia must think of herself as alive. She died when she was a baby and so her death is the only concept she has of living.
Hell some characters where born in SS so how can they be considered dead?
Why is As Nodt so big?
Ichigo has a more diverse moveset than Luffy.
Contrary to what you think Ichigo is stacked with different attacks and abilities, though not all them are named.
The Getsuga alone can be broken down into 4 sub groups, then he has Mugetsu and Kenatsu, a dozen different applications of natural armor, stat enhancing fullbring, regen, cero, like 3 different kinds of step techniques and 2 different methods of trans-dimensional travel.
Cause he's a beanstalk.
I mean it's an okay thing to have like 1 move. Seriously Saitama has 4 moves so far.
Punch (counting all different levels of effort as one move)
and Side hope
Well apparently quincy killed hollows are absorbed into Bach and shinigami killed hollows get turned into swords. I mean seriously, has any hollow that got killed made a reappearance in SS at all?
That's kinda the point. He's a simple character with simple moves who is easily understood. His motivations always boil down to "I want to protect my friends." He never thinks for himself, his opinions are never threatening in any way, and half his fights come down to sudden power ups where he discovers a new power thanks to his "eternal willpower" or his "nakama."
He's a machine produced hero for the modern masses.
Maybe SS is like limbo and when you die after achieving great things there you get to got to heaven
I cringe everytime.
>Well apparently quincy killed hollows are absorbed into Bach and shinigami killed hollows get turned into swords.
I thought they use shinigami souls to do that?
>has any hollow that got killed made a reappearance in SS at all?
That bird kid with Chad I think.
There is no heaven.
heaven or soul king's stomach?
Will As Nodt's fight take longer than Superstar? He's not dead, will probably require Byakuya to come in, and then Renji.
>He's not dead,
>implying not jobbed to showcase Rukia's awesome power
He does, but any hollow from the gillian class and onwards, are formed by several souls, so when they are struck down by zanpakutos, it's ALL those souls that are purified, not just one, so are all those souls that go the rukogai, not the full hollow.
Tier Hallibell was struck down in Fake Karakura town while it was transported to the living world, and she ended up in the Ice Palace that turned out to be in the shadows of Soul Society.
So how will As Nodt counter. Will his own 'Fear' actually empower him?
His fear will allow him to break out of absolute zero?
He will develop and Absolute Fear that scares even the double dead.
He's not dead anyway, so how harde would it be to break free from it?
You have good taste, anon.
I'll admit that got a laugh out of me.
I can't imagine that Kubo hasn't given Rukia a Bankai yet, but As Nodt isn't worth using it on.
So I don't know what the plan is.
>Momentarily kills herself
She might as well commit her whole life to sudoku
Yeah, you tell her.
"Fear is frozen". Seriously?
>My face this entire chapter
Clearly, she moves with enough force before her molecules freeze so that her momentum carries her movements through without any need for her to exert any more effort. Clearly.
Bleach 568 scenarios, go
As nodt drops and breaks.
A panel or two foreshadowing the battle of renji with NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa [...] NaNaNaNa, then a change of scenario to either urahara and Mayuri, Mexico or any other place.
>As nodt drops and breaks.
I see... Kubo's been watching some T2
So how happy would you be if somebody called out somebody else on explaining how their power works?
It's already happened quite a few times.
I propose we calll NaNaNa Batman.
>gets more powerful observing the enemy aka prep time
This has happened multiple times already.
>when batman dies he goes full quincy and ends up in the bleachverse
>proceeds to still be batman
oh god why.
Bruce Wayne is not a nigger, and takes proper care of his teeth.
no i mean why the fuck is he still batman, and manages to fuck up which side he is on holy shit.
>implying he didn't literally become a dark knight
>he has preptimed for when the quincy king will inevitably try to eat his soul cause the quincy king is a dick.
>either has a clone, or just switches alliances, thus somehow fights it off and proceeds to fuck off to hueco mundo to go beat up undead arkham inmate hollows for the rest of forever.
>or it turns out he is aizen.
what if somebody's powers are activated by explaining to your enemy how your powers work?
yes that's probably why Kubo gave him that name
(S)he is already dead.
>Rukia is throwing logic to the curb
>Rukia is row row and fightan da power
>Rukia is fucking awesome
I can't even KUBO if I want to, I legit like this.
Happened in HxH I think.
You mean NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa Katamari Damacy?
>people nitpicking about the fact that people in this manga die twice
Technically they can die 3 times.
>Once as human
>Become a hollow
>Get killed by shinigami and go to the shit after-life
>Get killed there
Isn't "death" for shinigami and whatnot in SS basically, they become bricks and trees in SS?
Reincarnated into living world as new baby
B-but..people die when they're killed.
Yes and didn't Oetsu say he used dead shinigami souls to make Zanpaktou?
I always hear this, but I don't remember it being stated in he manga.
But then how does the worlds population increase? do new souls just randomly form or something?
This wasn't that complicated folks. Her body was frozen so the fear poison couldn't interact with it. She manipulated her body using her sword's power.
She shouldn't be able to do anything at absolute zero.
the fb arc explain that everything has a soul, even juice
Probably. I mean what happens if no one dies in SS, but someone is born in the real world?
So souls follow the laws of matter then?
Alright, what the hell is up with that image?
Clearly not as zanpakuto abilities violate the law of conservation of energy and matter
Well, there must be a limit to how much biomass our planet can wield (living creatures cant just grow to weigh more than the whole planet) so when human population increases, other populations decrease.
However, the body mass of one human could feed millions of maggots, so human souls could be formed from many souls of rabbits, or just a fragment of a blue whale. This is the only way I can see the "cycle of reincarnation" working without entirely new souls popping out of thin air.
So souls can break apart and combine together? works for me.
Just like Vasto Lordes are made out of many hollows.
When the number of living people surpasses the number of souls in circulation a new one could be created.
Nothing strange about being aroused by what looks like a woman crawling out of the blanket after a night of passion, looking back as if not yet ready to part.
Vasto Lords are made from lots of menos which are made of hundreds of hollows which consume countless people. A single Vasto Lord could be made up of millions of souls.
Yeah, that's many hollows.
Translation is out.
Also, why is Rukia so damn delicious?
>273.15 below zero
Is there a reason for Soul Society to use Celsius scale besides Japan using it?
That's the only reason, the entire world uses it. We're just retarded in America.
because she just is
Rukia is fucking GAR as shit lately.
Are you suggesting that it would make more sense for them to use a scale that literally only America uses? Why?
>Rukia will never freeze you to near death and then cuddle you afterwards telling you it'll be alright
Fuck this gay earth.
Because using Celsius makes sense?
I was so hyped to finally see a truly powerful Vasto Lord, but then it was ruined by Arrancars.
Have we seen a proper Vasto Lord at all?
I think Harribal was one in her flashback, but I think that was just a filler episode can't remember.
Ulquiorra and Starkk, IIRC.
Maybe Barragan too.
Ulquiorra, maybe Stark.
The Top 4, Ulquiorra, Harribel, Barragan, Starrk .
Is there a reason for the afterlife to be mostly based off feudal Japan, besides Bleach being a Japanese manga?
No, not besides the reason you excluded.
When was Ulquiorra confirmed to be VL?
so Rukia is stronget that Hitsugaya?
She's better at dying at least.
But... But Kubo... They're all already dead. They're in the afterlife after all.
Right now? most probably. when he gets his proper sword back? Probably not
she didn't die even after she died
>"This is Bleach, after all. As a protagonist, even if I'm dead... I won't die."
i meant him with his bankai mode
With his old Bankai? Yes. With his "Retraining"? Probably not.
What? That wasn't her Bankai?
Rukia will shit on him.
nope,it was shikai
So, shinigami confirmed for not dying when they're killed? Or not being killed/killable when they're dead? Or, deader than usual, at least.
Doesn't appear to be, it appears to just be a upgraded version of her Shinkai
Right now? Yes. When he gets his bullshit power up? Probably not.
You can tell because she didn't say bankai, and by how it looks exactly the same as her shikai.
it's a unique case since it was her own power
Sadly she wont, I believe Hitsugaya was confirmed to have the strongest Ice Sword, which is retarded considering how overpowered Rukia is now.
She's not even shown her bankai yet, it will destroy him infinitely.
Damn. I thought she got yet another compression type Bankai.
Hitsugaya is 'said' to have the 'most powerful' ice bankai... but thats completely unrelated as to whether Rukia will destroy him in terms of combat ability or not. His is called powerful because it summons crazy dragons that hit hard. Her bankai is much more likely to be haxxy/skill based rather than power based, and it'll probably blow Hitsugaya out of the park.
Rukia's bankai has to be something beautiful.
She has the most beautiful Zanpaktou in all of SS after all.
I mean, all he can do is freeze her. And she evidently can do that to herself and survive.
Hitsu's bankai is the strongest weightlifter in the world. Rukia's bankai is a gun
Kinda like that.
I'm wondering why they're not using their own system. Considering the cute "culture shocks" it suggests that they're not too in tune with the living world.
I hope they fight
>inb4 they pull off another Unohana
My prediction is for to have something related to the dance Shinto priestesses do to make gods possess their bodies.
Yeah it'll probably be something like a shirabyoushi. I kinda hope hers is a 'compression' type of whatever someone else called it. One where she just gets a shirabyoushi outfit and kicks ass.
Your guess is as good as anybody's, I suppose, since it's not as though we'll ever see it.
>Rukia channels Soul King to defeat Bach
>It is revealed that Soul King is the big bad, and he possesses Rukia
>Ichigo must kill Rukia
>As she lay dying in his arms, Soul King withdrawn from her, IchiRuki happens
Hmm... I should draw this.
>One where she just gets a shirabyoushi outfit and kicks ass.
And she does it all while doing an elegant dance.
Make it happen, Kubo.
I just want a good writer to write some canon-destroying fanfiction which recasts the entirety of Bleach with Rukia as the true protagonist.
I dunno, maybe because Kubo doesn't want to have to explain their temperature system just for that battle and no explanation would leave people going "huh, wtf is she saying? What's a <made up shinigami temperature unit>?"
>I mean, all he can do is freeze her. And she evidently can do that to herself and survive.
Name ONE enemy that got frozen by Hitsugaya and died from it.
Well, there was that minor arrancar, and... not Luppi, not Hallibel, not the Fullbringer kid, not Cang Du...
cant believe it
Which one? I hope you don't mean the one that Rukia froze to death.
This is what I want as well. It's too bad that most fanfiction writers are shit.
Right, so it'll never happen.
No, the guy Hitsugaya fought. You know the one, the one who's so minor I can't remember anything about him. His power was sharp nails or something.
Yeah, don't remember that, I guess he must have been really minor. Did he really kill it with freezing and not some other way?
I don't what I was expecting.
>His power was sharp nails or something.
UNDEAD FROZEN RUKIA
I think? I remember the battle ending with the guy frozen, anyway.
Rukia's bankai will be a white walker version of million kaga geist.
So Rukia is a Lich now?
Well, he did freeze him, but he also stabbed the guy through the throat.
Does that count?
>I think? I remember the battle ending with the guy frozen, anyway.
Then the only thing we know for sure is that one really minor character didn't dramatically break out of the ice like every major enemy has done. He probably thawed out after a few days and went home.
Lets call it a 0.5.
Oda had that too.
I feel like the throat stabbing probably had more to do with it. Hell, if anything the freezing probably STOPPED his death by preventing blood loss and let him remain alive for a while longer, though incapacitated.
So I guess I can only name half a guy.
In which case I think Rukia's actually beating him. She got that shark arrancar and the sand guy by freezing them. Or was the sand guy anime-only?
This chapter Rukia is kill
But people don't die even when they are killed
>Ichigo now has a fire themed zanpaktou
>Rukia has a cold themed one
That also means my Hitsugaya x Yamamoto OTP had been correct all along.
Fuck yeah Kubo!
You're slightly late, Rukia's zanpakuto was revealed to be an ice one oh, I don't know, hundreds of fucking chapters ago?
ichigos is not fire themed
>最后在绝对零度活动界限是4秒 罗罗布被冻住 本话完
Lastly, she can only move for 4 seconds under absolute zero mode. Aes is frozen. End of chapter.
He will soon though. Just you wait.
So now that Rukia and Renji have gotten their standard curb-stomp battles that always follow power-ups they're going to fight some worthwhile opponents next. Nanana mentioned he had never observed anyone as long as he did Renji so he's probably got an advantage now and Rukia could match up against Buzz-B or whatever since he already thrashed one ice zanpakuto.
>only 5th level reader max
I would quite enjoy Rukia beating Bazz-B.
Rukia will get rekt by the girls who absorbed the slut Quincy.
Rukia will go Bankai for Bazz-B.
Question: why do so many girls want to fuck Rukia?
Take my money, take all of my money.
Rukia not having bankai ever in the story would be a fucking travesty.
Because everyone wants to fuck Rukia.
Because there's nothing feminine about her.
Not necessarily, if she kicks everyone's ass, even bankai-level enemies, through ingenuity then that'd be awesome.
bazz be will overpower her ice with his special 21 fingers techniwue, but then Rukia will just reveal her bankai is reverse thermodynamic, so she will suck all hit heat, and the more flame he produce the colder he gets until he dies, frozen by his own fire power.
She didn't die. She went back to hueco m undo where she was captured,
>All that "All living things fear death" bullshit
>Expecting Rukia to bring up that she's a fucking Ghost already
>She's a goddamn Shinigami for fucks sake
>BUT I AM ALREADY DEAD WHILE BEING DEAD ALREADY BUT ONLY TEMPORARILY
read the mangastream translation, it makes much more sense
Actually it's just going to be the standard Kubo science class.
>"my shining finger flames will melt your ice"
>"I can stop molecules from moving so your heat doesn't have a medium to transfer through"
>cue Buzz-B inside a frozen flame
No, no it doesn't. I read the mangastream translation and it's not a translation issue, it's a logic issue.
So, ghosts can freeze now?
If Shinigami are already dead and therefore can't die then how can there be any conflict or tension when lives aren't on the line? All those life threatening wounds really wouldn't do anything? Just because they're a shinigami doesn't mean they can't die, don't be stupid.
>"I can stop molecules from moving so your heat doesn't have a medium to transfer through"
I can see Kubo doing this, considering what's just happened.
they wher always chilly
After Renji's and Rukia's new blades, Zangetsu has to be god-tier now.
the logic is fine. what part of it is bad?
Shinigami are already dead.
I'm expecting dual getsuga
What the fuck is the problem every has with this?
Her body is frozen, so her heart and brain and the like stop functioning, which by standard definitions is fatal. However, she is able to use her "soul" or some other weird magic shit to control her body - or if that's still to strange for you, she uses her spirit whatevers to animate herself and imitate the standard functions of life. There's nothing amazingly unbelievable about this.
The failing of this chapter is that it doesn't regulate the effects of extreme cold accurately. Even then, barely any explanation is needed to make it seem fine.
>logic is fine
How old are you?
Rukia is legally dead much like people who's hearts stop. I assume she could be "revived" if her temp goes up. She can move because she is manipulating her body using reishi. If she couldn't do that she wouldn't be able to use her new power.
if you are to retarded to figure this out
its not even worth completing that thought
Ceros and Hollow armor. Please.
The problem with this is that she is a soul. She doesn' thave a soul in her soul.
She's claiming to be unable to fear because she's somehow technically dead as a result of the cold, yet her brain activity is evidently 100% fine which is what enables fear. Fear does not disappear from a functioning brain because the attached body is frozen.
Her soul is in her Reishi body
shinigami and objects in the spirit world are based on material with properties analogous to living realm material. things can have energy, be hot, be cold, have locations in space and time.
why is this not intuitive fromeverything you have read so far ?
She's saying she can't fear death because she's technically dead.
We've been through the basics in nonsensical Shinigami biology before. It's not unthinkable there's a bit in her body that is used to manipulate reishi, and that part of her body isn't stopped by being frozen.
Seriously though, why does kubo bother with using real concepts in a world with a completely different phyiscs?
You mean the concept of temperature?
Yeah, the guy should come up with something original. Also, what's the deal with using objects? Or human beings?
they are moving. they have bodies and minds. wait, could it be... that death is a concept applicable to something outside the scope of a human body's life ? fucking maybe.
ALRIGHT LISTEN FAGS. RUKIA IS NOT REALLY DEAD.
She is SUPPOSED to be dead because of her body reaching temperatures below zero, but isn't because she learned how to manipulate reishi in way where she is able to function in this state.
Also read mangastreams translation it's much better.
her being technically dead means her brain functions are stopped hence she can't feel fear
WE HYOGA NOW
>Shinigamis actually don't think with their brains at all, they think with their souls, but fear can only affect the physical brain and somehow completely cripples them if it does, even though they're not even thinking with those brains
How can you not see a problem with this?
>Or human beings?
I haven't seen humans in bleach for quite a long time.
she's using metaphors. the normal functions of her spirit body have stopped. she's technically dead. she's using the word dead to describe her state. she's frozen and the molecules of her body have stopped normal routines. the fear power cannot circulate. the fear power only works under normal conditions of life. she's able to function because she can manipulate her body with reishi. do you get it now ?
Fear probably isn't meant as a physical reaction, but as a conceptual attack.
The person fears death, but as they are already dead, are immune to concept of fear of death.
It doesn't make any biological sense, sure, but did you seriously fucking expect it to?
NO STOP SAYING THIS SHE CAN'T FEEL FEAR BECAUSE AS NODTS POWER NEVER REACHED HER. Holy shit what's so hard about this chapter that people don't understand?
its not that her brain doesn't function, it's that her body is not in a traditional living state, which is a prerequisite to the fear power spreading effectively. you can clearly see that it never circulated past the surface of her skin.... because her body is in a state which can be referee to as dead, inert, non-circulating, inactive by normal means, etc. fuck.
>FEAR DOESNT WORK BECAUSE IM ALREADY DEAD HURRDURR
That's some Naruto shit. Dropped this shit like a rock.
I get where you're coming from, but it seems ridiculous to suggest that the fear needs to infect her physical body while her consciousness is entirely separate from her physical brain and body. You just can't reconcile these two things.
bleach readers are retarded and they prove it in every thread with the dumbest interpretations and lowest reading comprehension of any fandom. its best to not discuss this manta with people on 4chan in order to preserve your experience.
>Mayuri is secretly Kubo
See you next week.
but her consciousness isnt separate from that body. if you destroy that body, you destroy her. no need to reconcile anything
Now, fuck off.
Shitty translations don't help either.
>Rukia referred to as Death in the first chapter
>is now able to kill herself
confirmed for pleb understanding of this chapter and bleach mechanics.
level 1 reader detected
So, when does she get the Aquarius cloth?
>I'm a Quincy
>I don't shoot reishi, I shoot FEAR because that sounds super cool xD
Bleach is reaching Naruto levels of retarded. Get over it.
>AS NODTS POWER NEVER REACHED HER
He attacked her before she froze and his powers reached her.
But after she became dead they stopped working.
didn't they just explain how juha Bach's powers work ? the quincy under Bach who have been assigned a letter are afforded special abilities which relate more to the nature of defined constructs than uniform dominance of reishi. its like how a spell, a defined construct of energy, can have clever functions
level 1 reading etc
But Adjuchas are supposed to be non-human/animal themed and Harribel is a Shark, Ulquiorra a Bat and Starrk a Wolf... I can only see Barragan as a Vasto Lorde.
maybe that attack was able to penetrate a bit deeper than the later ones, but it was still rendered ineffective to her state. it did not reach her brain, I suppose
no, it was shown that she was feeling fear before her powers kicked in
source? at no point was that shown. she didn't react at all. all she did was make remarks about how his shit wasn't working and wasn't going to work.
adjuchas are supposed to huamn sized thats about it
Guys, you know... for fear you need that brain part called Amygdala.
First, other parts of a brain activate "fear" state in the Amygdala. Then, this thing will send a messenger substance through the rest of the brain and the body. If Rukia manages to move her body without using her bloodstream, she can shut down her fear. Yes, it would damage her brain. Yes, deep freezing alone wouldn't prevent that.
This is where shounen logic needs to step in and cover it with "lol shinigami brains tolerate more oxygen shortage if trained properly". i think this should be what rukia refers to.
It's still bullshit because she freezes everything around the rest of her body. Kubo might say she blocked it with specialized reiatsu.
There, explained everything for you.
*Moves body for short time with Reishi like Ishida's puppet thing
It still needs a way to block out the cold or she'd freeze herself solid. that's what I'm talking about.
>People trying to read super far into it
>Mfw it's literally just LOL IM DEAD and his powers don't work
I'm almost certain that Kubo didn't think about it anywhere near as much as the people defending it.
she does freeze herself solid. she can only move for 4 seconds. I imagine she's freezing things she attacking more than she's freezing herself.
Why are you using real world logic about a manga where people levitate in the fucking air?
God you people are retarded.
I assume she'll use her power to reverse the freeze and then realise she's fucked when As Nodt goes Vollstandig and she cant reuse it. Then she whips out her trusty bankai or Byakuya steps in and saves her.
Because Kubo went full retard and tried to bring actual real world science into it.
you don't give him enough credit. the dude likes to play with metaphysics. im sure he has a more coherent vision of the concepts in play than we do. deal
as nodt is girl??
t..this changes everything.
None of this happened As Nodt's fear didn't work because it barley touched Ruika. Her molecules are suspended so the fear has nowhere to go at all and is stuck on the surface of her hand basically.
Yes it's pretty simple, but you're wrong on how it works.
except he didn't bring real world science into it. he used concepts which have analogies within the spirit world. not everything has to work as traditionally as it doesn't in reality. something is wrong with your ability to abstract concepts and that is why you cannot accept shit like ghost people have ghost physics.
No, it's a he, but some people mistakenly think it's a she.
Shh, that hasn't been relevant since the second volume.
>he used concepts which have analogies within the spirit world
Absolute zero, which is specifically stated to be -273.15 degrees celsius, is not an analogy.
I thought the whole KUBO thing was just a meme but it seems like there's really some deluded, retarded fanboys here.
Kubo just thought it'd be cool if she was "dead". It's not some 10/10 genius mechanic. Get over it.
He went to Hell which was only mentioned again the movie.
> fear has nowhere to go at all and is stuck on the surface of her hand
That not how emotions work, faggot.
>there are active differences between people of the living realm and people who have left the living realm
>everything that happens has a basis in these differences
>some things have similar properties so the wealth of established differences are not relevant
As long as you understand that Rukia isn't actually dead.
Yes, but it's how As Nodts attack works.
How does As Nodt's fear power exactly work anyway? Is it like some sort of poison?
it is a measurement is the movement of molecules >which don't have traditional one-to-one properties with reality<, so yes, it is an analogy.
I think its like the old dudes Aging.
You're forgetting she already died as a newborn some 300 years ago.She's double dead. Never forget how stupid that is.
the fact that you force a dichotomy between no complexity and 10\10 genius complexity only displays your own lack of understanding about the actual complexity conveyed by events.
Can Rukia win against Barragan because her power turns her body into a static, unchanged state?
I hope not
No. Nothing works against barragans power except Barragans power.
its a metaphor for the state of her spirit body. it describes what would be technically thought of as a dead condition. its not stupid at all, there is just something inflexible about the way people are interpreting what they are reading(probably their brains)
She isn't dead though. Why don't people understand this?
I always thought ikki's brother was a faggot.
I miss that dude.
He should've been the one to force Aizen to get out his Hogyoku form (because immortal and all that).
Except there aren't. There has been no difference between people in the living world and people in the spirit world. They age, they get sick, they have children, they eat, they sleep, their bodies function under all the same biology save that they do not seem to die of old age. That is the blandest interpretation of an afterlife I've ever heard of.
its 4chan. most of these people are young, and also westerners. they have rigid models for how things work which do not help reconcile the information they are receiving, as well as perception problems and noise issues between translations.
The funny thing is, Rukia has already used her power to freeze her body before, albeit unconsciously.
Remember the fight she had with the Espada no.9 when she ended up kill?
Zommari then found her covered in an ice layer that was preventing her from fully die.
And Kubo strikes again.
What chapter or page?
>the particles underlying the realms are different
>soul-mind-body influences are different
>cell biology is different
>time and space are subject to different rules
>boundaries between entities are different
>acquisition of memories is different
>aging is different
>disease origins are different
>reasons for eating are different
>need for sleep is different
>everything which constitutes their reality is subject to altered rules not necessarily bound to the ones of the living realm
>visuals have a similar basis, there for nothing is different
>Punch (counting all different levels of effort as one move)
guys should i point the pointless mind blogging here?
Rukia is still no using her bankai,and she probably will not and thus she in the end will defeat a enemy quincy only with shikai.Thats some bullshit right there.Renji needed his new bankai form with all the training gathered to defeat his opponent and the weakest rukia compared to him will defeat her enemy without using it.
*297, my bad
one frezzes when below zero
she freezzed herself when below 0 degrees
after that she just kept going with more lower temperatures.Its complete bulshit
that's not how temperature measurements work.
Yeah, but Renji didn't have a technique to make his opponents ability useless while Rukia did. Also Mask was in vollstandig form while As Nodt isn't.
bulshit he never went into volstanding you have to check again
and even so you do realizre that rukias opponent will go to volstanding as well and thus rukia able to win....
Jesus fucking christ, kubodrones.
She specifically says that MOLECULES IN HER SOUL BODY OR WHATEVER THE FUCK IT IS ARE ALL FROZEN, SO THE FEAR DOES NOT AFFECT HER.
How come she can even move or think? The reiatsu training is such a blatant bullshit, it's basically the "it just works, lol" explanation shoved down your throats.
for one, we don't know how the reishi technique benefits rukia. two, below 0 is freezing for most substances. rukia is not made of most substances. three, she does freeze. she states that she cannot move herself after she gets cold enough.
Weird soul magic.
Why is this weirder then the rest of Bleach to you?
that is exactly how temperature measuremnt is in CELSIUS and thus she said she is frozen when she is below 0 degrees and so they do mesure it in celsius.
if you have some trouble beliveing water freezes in 0 degrees i sugest checking google.
also there are the chemical measurment of temperature which is Kelvin and its sysmtem starts with absolute zero which is −273.15°C,
or 0 K.
Hate to break it to you but after all im even e chemical engineer so i know what im talking about
Yes he did he had a cape go check.
She is manipulating her reishi so she can still function.
Because Kubo was trying to come up with an explanation that makes sense, and he failed at it again.
Do you even know what internal consistency is?
What part isn't internally consistent?
Using weird soul magic, Rukia can move her dead body which is frozen solid.
That is the literal premise we're given.
the molecules of her body do not have normal properties. maybe she's controlling her reishi to freeze only the parts of her body she needs to. maybe she unfreezes sections temporarily for movement. maybe she entangles her body with the reishi, enabling travel while the molecules are still motionless. we don't know, because we don't know what she is doing or how the GHOST physics works. let that sink in for a minute
ghost physics. ghost. physics.
>She is manipulating her reishi so she can still function.
Fuck, it's just like some other anon said, you guys are plain retarded and don't comprehend the text you read.
I know the explanation, I'm just saying it's bullshit.
>ice version of Zanka no Tachi
unless you know exactly how weird soul magic ghost physics work, you cannot tell me that this isn't something consistent with weird soul magic ghost physics.
>What part isn't internally consistent?
The part where she "dies", although she's a soul. The part where she can think and move, although the representation of her will - her soul - is supposedly frozen or even "dead". How the fuck do you stay on a tree branch after cutting it down?
>Or was the sand guy anime-only?
Sand guy's manga. I don't know if she killed him though, since he's like the sand itself and possibly immortal, but she at least came as close as possible to killing him.
>How the fuck do you stay on a tree branch after cutting it down?
You use soul magic to keep it attached.
She's dead as in her body isn't functioning as an alive one - near as we can tell. We don't understand the details of how the soul works, it being able to function without the spirit body or whatever working properly doesn't violate anything we've been told prior.
and you're retarded. what part of a fictional story about ghosts, magic, and souls is not bullshit to you ? like, what the fuck ? is superman bullshit to you ? what sort of fiction is not bullshit ? are you some sort of robot who can only accept things in 1-to-1 accordance with reality ? seriously, what is wrong with you ? are you literally autistic ?
Well you obviously don't understand it considering you said "reiatsu training" and not reishi training. Also how is it bullshit? It's reishi it can be used for literally anything.
>not using soul magic to remain autonomy even while the representation of you will is frozen and dead.
what the fuck man
>not using soul magic to retain autonomy even while the representation of your will is frozen and dead.
what the fuck man
Maybe he's a ghost chemical engineer?
Now you're just coming up with your own bullshit explanations that you can't support with actual evidence.
>the molecules of her body do not have normal properties
We already know that, don't we? Why did you think it's an important thing to add? There is no real point to this statement, as we are discussing the explanation for how it's possible.
Yeah, it makes sense in it's own way. Every kind of bullshit can be explained like that, even a sudden appearance of a dragon in a WWII movie.
>it being able to function without the spirit body or whatever working properly doesn't violate anything we've been told prior.
But it does. When a shinigami "dies", there is no coming back. He just ceases to exist in that form.
>even a sudden appearance of a dragon in a WWII movie.
Magical realism must really piss you off.
Here, you fucking imbecile. Read this.
>Internal Consistency: Consistency with itself.
Any rules, events, settings, or characters that have been established within the fictional work continue to exist and function as they did previously, unless otherwise indicated.
>External Consistency: Consistency with the real world. The fictional universe is Like Reality Unless Noted. Violations of external consistency are "unrealistic."
Do you understand now?
you are absolutely retarded. I am just about done talking to you. I understand you're not satisfied with the depth of explanation when you're faced with counterintuitive happenings, but that's how magic works. you want evidence ? it's. fucking. magic. I don't need evidence, nor do I have to explain shit, although I did try, if merely to present to you how unknown mechanisms works by unknown fucking mechanisms, which is a concept that appears to be lost on you. may god have mercy on you.
oh my god, she's not dead. she's using the word dead as a metaphor. I hate you
It doesn't, but it has to be consistent within the framework. >>101570819
You can just say its all fiction with no real explanation to my statement and say it is impossible in reality.
We were trying to make sense of it even in the fucking bleach universe which unfortunatelly we at this point cannot make sense of.
For me this is as redicilous as the same thing that rukia will kill her opponent without using her bankai at the end while Renji supposedly more powerfull needed a bankai for his opponent.
i think both kishimoto and kubo went in "just fuck it mode" and started not to care actually following any laws in their own work
Magical realism isn't often consistent. If it possibly is, it isn't explicitly so.
>she's using the word dead as a metaphor.
Then prove it you goddamn mongrel. You can't because it's just what you think she meant? Then fuck off.
Except you still have to explain how it's inconsistent.
confirmed autistic. let me break this down for you. in bleach there is "magic". "magic" is used for unprecedented functionality. rukia uses magic for unprecedented functionality. there you go. there is your internal consistency. I hope you're less fucking dumb now. leave here forever.
>Magical realism isn't often consistent.
This sounds like your opinion though.
also the guy you talkin to is not me (the chemical engineer) and as you see you cannot "image you own" explanation and explain it to us are you 14 yo?The meechanizum must be established in the story fiction for it to be able to use.At this point its complete bullshit negleting any laws of fiction which the franchize established
No because she she never states she is dead you fucking retard. How about you actually get some reading comprehension. She states that she could be considered dead and is supposed to be dead, but isn't because reishi training.
It's like you don't know pomo and its rejection of grand narratives
she's not actually dead. she still there, having agency, doing things, existing as a being. boom. it's a metaphor used to describe her state in relational terms, as she not literally and persistently dead in the sense that would count as such. fuck off you huge retard.
show me your source that she did die and isn't alive as a spirit and that will prove that she wasn't using the word for descriptive purposes. show me the panel that rukia the main character died and is no longer a spirit being.
Anyone remember the lesbian girl who loved playing with boobs ?
Well given that she explained how the whole thing is a metaphor, I'm not sure what to say.
>His power works on everything that has fear
>everything that's alive has some type of fear
>Therefore his power works on everything that's a live
>It doesn't work on rukia because of her ice powers
>Ice powers means she doesn't have fear
>Ice powers means she isn't alive.
It's a metaphor because her ice powers prevent the effect of the fear powers from happening, she freezes her blood so she can't bleed and metaphorically, absolute zero is a universal concept of death.
Rukia is the master of the random power up and asspulls, she is just a fucking low level shinigami that cant even use Bankai
the mechanism is weird soul magic. we don't know how weird soul magic works. I was supplying random explanation to display the possible ways weird soul magic could function, but we do not know, because we do not know how weird soul magic or ghost physics work. oh my god, please die.
>understand you're not satisfied with the depth of explanation when you're faced with counterintuitive happenings, but that's how magic works.
Yeah, so it's basically exactly like what I've said in my first post. Why did you bother to reply in the first place since we agree on this, you moron?
This is exactly the "it just works, lol" bullshit I was talking about.
You see, each fantastic universe has it's own rules. The Bleach one is no different, that's why Kubo provides us with all this background. But this time he completely fucked it up.
ARE YOU GFUCKING SHITING US
she never states she is dead
ARE YOU DUMB AS FUCK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS WRIGHTEN in the fucking chapter
"I am dead"
gtfo also if you are the guy with the "special molecules" i can tell you that molecules have unlimited characteristic in the real wordl but unfortunatelly that does not replicate thier use at any extent.
This is characteristic is shown from their speed of movement that is the only time when they acutally "exist" in some way (thats far not thr right word to use) and thus the speen of rotation of the molecuals are different so the characteristics are different.Thats all to that theory of yours
power levels are definitely a modernist construct
yfw she just used a fucking Quincy technique
Bleach is always shit because kubo writes the fucking plot like a megaman/jokenpo game.
X character will suddenly have the right power to deal with z character, there is no actual skill, no thinking about how to deal wih the enemy with the tools the character already has, eigher they get a new power, or they break the fucking rules laughing all the time.
Ichigo is the only one who is above this because of unlimeted ass pulls.
You have to be brain dead to actually consider this good writing.
You could say the same thing for tessai, for the kids with urahara ( we still don't have any explanation about them ) and what the concil will do in 2000 years when aizen is free...
But I did. >>101569957
No you fucking imbecile. Magic in Bleach works by a set of rules, just like it does in, say, Fullmetal Alchemist or almost every other fantasy action manga out there.
You can't explain everything with "it's magic, lol!". You don't grasp the difference between magic and bullshit explanation.
>I am saying that...
>currently, I am not alive
>in fact, currently, I'm dead
Jesus fucking christ. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
You fucking mongoloids are insufferable. She explictly says SHE IS FUCKING DEAD.
>I learned to momentarily kill my body by controlling my own reishi
No she uses words like "i am by definition dead." She should be dead, but isn't because of her reishi technique.
>but i did
But you didn't Rukia says she is able to do his because of her new ability she learned by manipulating reishi. Also you have yet to explain how Rukia using reishi is bullshit so seriously just fuck off.
>tilt my head to the right in order to read the right bubble.
>can't read it
>tilt my head to the left in order to read the right bubble.
>still can't read it
I replied because you are bitching about a lack of explanation about magical ghost soul physics in a fictional fantasy setting. we know enough that the magic gives unprecedented functionality. that's how magic typically does shit. this is true for every single fictional story that uses magic. you choosing to bitch about this one instance of magic being used for unprecedented functionality is just dumb. it's not inconsistent because it's explained by magic. what is it that you want ? do you want kubo to explain WHY the magic has unprecedented functionality ? do you understand that such a thing is idiotic to expect ? you might as well wish for every fiction writer to explain in detail why everything that divorces the story from reality happens the way it does in infinite detail. why does yellow sun radiation let superman shoot lasers, or ignore gravity ? why does magic exist in harry potter ? why do saiyans look human , or speak earth languages ?
the fact is that the functionality of rukias technique is consistent with the mechanisms at her disposal in her universe. it's reishi manipulation, to an extent which allows her to do something not intuitive with \\\\standard models of reality, to which she is not subject to\\\\. there is no more logic required to make that consistent.
>But you didn't Rukia says she is able to do his because of her new ability she learned by manipulating reishi
And I can manipulate space-time continuum after years of training with my chopsticks. It may be true or not, but ultimately, it doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever.
> Also you have yet to explain how Rukia using reishi is bullshit
No, I don't have to explain shit because that wasn't my point, shitstain. Reading comprehension at it's finest.
>X character will suddenly have the right power to deal with z character, there is no actual skill, no thinking about how to deal wih the enemy with the tools the character already has
daily reminder that Busou Renkin is Bleach done right. it addresses this very concern, among others.
That's your problem.
go ahead and explain why the magic in FMA can create living beings, attach souls to armor, and transport you to different dimensions. keep going until it's plausible, else OH SHIT IT MAY NOT BE INTERNALLY CONSISTENT
are the chopsticks magic? if so, I'll believe you can do that with enough training. seems consistent if the chopsticks or you are magic. idiot.
>we know enough that the magic gives unprecedented functionality.
God, you dull retard don't understand shit. Get it through your thick skull that the way magic works in fiction isn't completely fucking random. Bleach magic also has rules by which it has to work.
When I'm pointing out at the fact that you can't be double-dead you just stand there and scream "NUH-UH, IT'S MAGIC, WITH IT YOU CAN BE TRIPLE-DEAD!". Maybe in a universe that has four fucking underworlds, but this isn't the case in here.
>And I can manipulate space-time continuum after years of training with my chopsticks. It may be true or not, but ultimately, it doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever.
Reishi has been shown do do shit like this though. See the Mayuri fight vs Ishida where ishida's arm wasn't even working and he used reishi to make it work. I don't think you know how reishi works. Rukia is literally made from reishi so I don't see how it's bullshit that she is able to manipulate it really well in order to use this technique especially since she trained with the Royal Guard.
Rukia isn't dead.
>go ahead and explain why the magic in FMA can create living beings
Except that's not the sort of thing I was talking about. I don't need an explanation for that, since it's not against other rules that were set by the mangaka.
In Bleach, Rukia is supposedly double-dead while being alive at the same time. And this little fact is what makes no fucking sense.
And where can I find a better one? How come the supposed metaphor was mistaken for actual death?
Read Mangastream it's still shit, but at least it's way better than mangapanda.
RUKIA IS NOT DEAD
Jesus fucking Christ how do you not understand this? Rukia is supposed to be dead, but isn't because of her reishi ability.
Shinigami aren't dead. When you """""die"""" in the real world, you simply flip over to the mirror-universe, soul society. Instead of atoms, you're made up of what are called (for simplicity's sake) spirit particles. Their laws of physics share some similarities with normal matter but also have some differences. Shinigami are still "alive" and have many of the same requirements as living humans, albeit in slightly different forms.
When you die as a spirit-being you die "for real". Soul Society is a purgatory controlled by the Soul King, designed to snare souls in between life and death, for purposes yet unknown except to people like Urahara and Aizen
yes. it has rules. -the rules haven't been clearly defined to the extend that we know what functionality is possible and what isn't in every single instance- this is typical with magic. you're fucking dumb. oh my god. I cannot talk to you any longer. if you do not understand why the functionality is plausibly consistent with the ghost soul magic and physics, you never will, and no amount of embarrassingly catered explanation will fix your broken understanding of many concepts.
what rule conflicts are you running into. what established rules about reishi are conflicting here ? please don't say rukia can't be double dead. please
>Rukia is supposed to be dead, but isn't because of her reishi ability.
She's made of reishi, anon. She's a ghost for god's sake. Her body is her "will" - there is no additional soul in a fucking soul. If she suspends molecules in her body (which would be reishi) she suspends her very existance. Am I more clear now?
Then shut the fuck up already, because I can't stand the amount of idiocy in your every single fucking post. Since you don't understand what I am talking about and constantly confused external consistency with internal consistency you could at least shut your whore mouth.
there is no confusion. the functionality is consistent as it needs to be for the amount of information presented.
you have been clear, but that is not inconsistent. she's using a reishi technique to avoid being suspended. we do not know what the technique is, or how it is acting, so we cannot say that it's functionality is inconsistent. whatever it may be doing, it's entirely plausible within the constraints of weird soul magic and ghost physics. until she says, 'the technique I'm using does x' and x conflicts with the displayed functionality, there is no conflict. retard.
Despite As Nodt's philosophical mumbo jumbo there's still a perfectly logical medical explanation for why fear doesn't work on Rukia.
As your body temperature drops certain body functions start shutting themselves down as well to preserve energy.
To begin with emotions are just chemical processes, by lowering her body temperature Rukia shuts down her emotions completely, thus making her impervious to Nodt's Fear.
She becomes the perfect 'ice queen' archetype as well as a frosty ghoul.
>bring up thermodynamic concepts in a spirit world only to shit on them in that same chapter
Not really. They can bleed, they need to eat and sleep. They exist on a spiritual level but they aren't really "dead."
Wrong. The fear didn't work simply because the As Nodts fear liquid didn't get to Rukia and she was able to prevent it with her ability. It's simple LoN don't make it complicated.
mangpanda translation was really bad. anyway, we have no idea how rukia is manipulating herself to retain mobility yet still be able to claim her molecules are in a suspended state. no rules or concepts have been breached.
Sure, I'll buy that. Plus when you're close to death, freezing or otherwise, fear becomes kinda abstract.. well, most thing become abstract and you zone out, even though you're still relatively conscious of it all, so works for me.
it could be a compilation of explanations. no reasons to discredit one of the multiple reasons this is an effective counter
She's using the quincy puppet string technique. Because her and her sister were quincys killed in the purge 100 years ago.
I'm not familiar with the term 'ice quake', but what she did is possible in theory.
By instantly lowering the temperature in her surroundings she causes fluids and gasses to shrink rapidly, thus creating a vacuum and causing the structures to cave in.
How the fuck does Kubo know so much about different religious shit and scientific shit? Maybe the reason he doesn't draw backgrounds is because he spends his spare time researching shit.
I like to think she's either being selective about what she freezes, and when, or she's directly manipulating her body functions, including movement, with her will over reishi. or maybe both.
Are you thinking of cavitation?
Nononono Quincy Rukia is not happening I refuse to believe this.
It was 1 not mentioned in the chapter and 2 it's overly complex when it doesn't need to be.
So what if Rukia changes her temperature as she said, but for momments, so she can talk and move and froze in a matter of seconds, she only needs to be constantly frozen where the fear AIDS is on her body, but her mouth is still warm so she can talk and shit.
The absolute zero was explained before, she is frozen but she is going with the momentum that she had before, she is like a rock and As Nodt just didn't dodge her because "lol I don't know what's going on"
Kubo really does just play around.
His knowledge is broad, but not really in depth.
I suppose he was just at physics in high school.
Yeah, wasn't familiar with the English term.
Also not sure how statics come into the picture.
Does the drop in pressure decrease the overall forces of the structure, or does it cause these air pockets to collapse first and then decrease the overall force of the structure?
>Quincy wear white
>Rukia's zanpaktou is all white
>Quincy realm is covered in ice
>Rukia uses an ice-type zanpaktou
Rukia is quincy royalty.
plausible. I wonder if it will ever be explained or alluded to more
>Quincy fight by shooting their sppirit energy into enemies
>The very first thing Rukia did was shove her spirit energy into Ichigo
also she will be confirmed for the next captain commander after this arc.
>yfw she releases Aizen, freezes him to the core and then shatters him so he's alive in a million pieces.
What Kubo knows is jack shit. Everyone knows this stuff if they finished school.
Kubo isn't a scientist. Kubo is a philosopher.
Well, seeing as most chemical processes in the body shut down after a shift of just a few degrees from norm (for instance a sustained fever of around 108F is basically fatal) it seems a bit overboard, but hey Hitsugaya has an ice dragon wrapped around him and genryuusai has a fire coming off him so powerful it erases anything it touches. Shinigami are probably a bit tougher than humans.
It's more the second.
Wait, it's the other way around actually.
Water expands when it freezes, I must've been thinking of the periodic elements.
Cavitation is when gaseous pockets form in liquids dues to various forces acting on it, then these pockets collapse for various reasons, causing implosion from the sudden volume change. If you've ever seen that gif of the tanker that suddenly gets crushed on its own, that's an example of cavitation (on a fairly grand scale).
That's the example I was going for, but if the density of water decreases while solid then it completely throws that out the window.
>tensa zangetsu = kid bach = rukia
dat quincy inbreeding
shes ur sister ichigo 5 generations removed
that doesnt even make sense
bach died 1000s of years ago
rukia was born 300 years ago
He didn't die though.
I don't mean literally equals, just that she's of his direct line, hence all the similarities.
>Great Job, Rukia, you just massacred Momo!
Oh boy, all this butthurt arguing over in-universe mechanics.
Kubo used actual thermodynamics to explain Rukia's ability. Therefor, actual thermodynamics apply. Therefor, absolute zero is a complete lack of energy within molecules. Therefor, those molecules are neither moving nor decaying. Therefor time has literally stopped for those molecules.
As energy merely transfers rather than being created or destroyed, the only way to move those molecules is to introduce energy from outside, therefor absolutely nothing about Rukia using it on herself as a combat ability makes sense, and Kubo dun goof'd. Use it on an enemy? Sure. Use it and move for 4 seconds? Ummm....
Not really. He used spirit-particle thermodynamics, not atomic thermodynamics. Soul Society and its Shinigami have different laws of physics that share some similarities with our world but are not exactly the same.
>He used spirit-particle thermodynamics
Where did it say that this applies only to some spirit-particles? How did you come to this conclusion when there is no mention of that in the chapter?
All I can see is some talk on how tempratures affect molecules, that's all. There is no reason to believe he came up with some sort of spirit-physics.
It's implied because they're spirit entities fighting in the spirit world, it's been long established since the early soul society arc that everything in that world is made from a different substance and those substances interact differently with "real world" substances.
Um, it's been implied that even if it's a different substance, it is still a substance. And guess what substances have? Energy. Guess what happens to substances without energy?
>even if it's a different substance, it is still a substance. And guess what substances have? Energy.
Your argument is rather poorly constructed. We're dealing with a different universe with its own laws of physics here, your assumptions based on your own experience with physics in your universe don't apply. Even "energy" means something different here.
And yet I see a human world with all the regular physics we're accustomed to. The only change comes with this extra molecule, reishi. Reishi is literally the only thing different, and it's one, single molecule that, while it behaves in unique ways just like every molecule, still follows the same rules, as Kubo himself has established, in this particular chapter by using thermodynamics to explain what was going on.
Actually it is your argument that is poorly constructed.
You base your judgement on personal assumptions. If the author didn't explictly say that something in a way his universe works might be different from how it is in the real one, there is no reason to believe otherwise.
Or do you believe there are unicorns in Bleach just because the manga features supernatural beings?
I appreciate the assist, but I'd really rather you backed up the argument that Kubo goofed rather than attacking his own. All that does is make someone dig their heels in.
By that same argument, you can't disprove unicorns exist in the BLEACH universe or in SS, either. This is just going to end in a roundabout. Let's just accept that it's shounen and discussing how these things possibly work is more for amusement than trying to ascertain the proper workings of the world physics.
Are we going to pretend that >>101577978
was never said then?
Rukia stated that the power comes from the sword, while she's only an extension of it.
Somehow that sword is absorbing enormous amounts of energy, all that energy will have to go somewhere later.
Rukia oneshotting Vollstandig Nodt is next.
>Suck my lady-cock, I'm the incarnation of heat death.
Fuck you guys this shit is awesome.
HNNNNG THE PANEL WITH HER IN A DRESS
Yeah, I can't do that, but we both know they don't. Nor does the Aizen's invisible Teapot circulating around Ichigo's dick, although "shinigami magic" explanation would be most likely enough to make the idea plausible for some of you. You realize that the burden of proof is on the one making a claim, right? You could google that thing up, you know.
And shounen is not a genre
MMMM no Somehow you don't get the concept that molecules can come close to absolute zero then achieve absolute zero the instant something stops moving, also it's fucking magic and a story get over it. B-but muh physics degree, Take it to bill nye that science goy.
>You must have an intricate understanding of quantum theory and fluid dynamics to become a manga writer.
Christ remind me not to apply to be a fast food goyim in your universe I'd probably need a PHD in biology. Also stop pulling arguments out of your ass kubo ain't god and you could just ask him if unicorns exist in bleach, infact why don't you ask him how absolute zero thing works in his universe, pretty sure he will Kubo you by saying the materials used in SS are designed according to their users chi and thus hold energy x times more efficiently than this universe. there I did it head cannon you can rest easy now autist.
>having this little understanding of what energy is
>Applying energy in any fighting manga ever to real life
also I used that as an example, do you expect me to know what kubo will say he could use magic to freeze time for the molecules and have rukia move to a higher dimension and reassemble them to attack for all I know. Just like Aizen
rukia was born 150 years ago, not 300
>Rukia can transform into a fearless absolute zero zombie, that can't be affected by anything because every molecule and atom is frozen absolutely still (even thought it violates uncertainty, it's just that cold) and she can freeze time itself in four second bursts and she hasnt even used her bankai yet
What a glorious day.
Whoa, somebody sure got butthurt after getting told. Is this how you guys react when you lose an argument on the internet? Holy shit, get a hold of your life.
>Not refuting my points
WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING RETARD??
Reminder: just a moment ago you were arguing with me as if all of that mattered and now you're all dismissive about it. Why are you projecting your autism on me?
And what points did you have? You were just spouting some nonsense on how shounens don't have to make sense right after trying to prove me that they do. You can calm down by the way.
>that they do
What I meant is that you were trying to prove me Bleach does, sorry for the mistake.
>other people can't input their opinion it's all one person because they replied to me.
Fuck man even I'm not this retarded.
Every Arrancar above ten was a Vasto Lorde before they became an arrancar. That's why they were even in the top ten, excepting the one rukia fought, he was still a Gillian.
Uh, maybe that's because I'm in a middle of a conversation and we're not using trips? People who are not mad nor retarded can actually understand why I've assumed that you're a guy I was talking to for some time now.
Plus, you got all defensive all of sudden and started to justify stupid bullshit that even some middle school kid can see through.
No, they weren't.
How's it feel to be wrong?
Feels pretty great to be right.
Yammi - Yeah, probably
Syazelapporo - According to a novel and implied in conversation in the manga to have been powerful enough
Zommari - Don't know any confirmation of VL status here
Luppi - Same
Grimmjow - Same, but more arguable
GRimmjow was a panther, not human
Aaroneieirereo is Gillian
Syazel is debatable because of the novel
NNNNoittra, debatable but not enough powerfu enough
Starkk, he was same before Hougyoku transformation so Vasto Lorde
Ulquiorra, he is Vasto Lorde, its told in Unmasked
Also since Grimmjow isnt a vasto lorde, why the fuck Espada below him would be Vasto's
Do we have an updated Kubo Reaction pic?
Does Kubo realize he made her into an ultimate indestructible shinigami tank?
It's like he's completely lost control over the fucking power levels
If she gets hit at a point when she is frozen, perhaps her body parts break off?
if ulquiorra isn't #1 why is he the strongest?
because he isnt?
Or maybe he really hid is Segunda Etapa from Aizen.
Also Starkk was completely on a different level
It's not arguable, it's a stated fact. That's the definition of a single digit arrancar. It's not implied by how strong you think they were.
>Also Starkk was completely on a different level
on what grounds are you making this statement?
So is Rukia finally relevant again?
Kubo Chapter Reaction update?
>So strong he needed to divide in 2
I just re-read it said only the top three were Vasto Lorde before becoming arrancar, and the rest are probably debatable. You guys are completely right.
No, actually, my argument is based on explicit facts that are stated in the manga. You should probably go and reread it if you've forgotten that much and are just basing your assumptions off a desire to be contrarian.
trying to inject a knowledge of science into the supernatural is never a good idea
>That's the definition of a single digit arrancar.
Aaroniero was Espada 09 and was a Gillian.
Rukia is already dead, she's a ghost.
So when she freezes herself to absolute zero she's double dead. Frozen ghost dead. Dead-on-dead dead.
Is there even a word for how awesome Kubo is?
Rukia's new bankai should be the frozen center of a dead star where the pressure and temperature has stopped all atomic movement.
The density of Starrk's power was killing every Hollow around him due to it choking the life out of them. He literally had to create Lilynette from himself to stop being lonely.
Ulquiorra was a Vasto Lorde since his shape prior to his mask coming off was incredibly human, and it was his silhouette being used to describe Vasto Lordes to begin with.
>Implying that after Segunda Etapa he and Starrk weren't the most powerful Espada
>Lanza De Relampago was literally a nuclear lance
stark didnt have the right mindset to be fighting. he never once truly gave it his all, he was too much of a lazy faggot to give a damn.
if he had gone brutally all out, his rank would have actually
They can't break off because that would mean the atoms and molecules would have to change position, and they can't because they are ghost frozen and can't move.
You could drop her into a black hole and she wouldn't be hurt.
>We will never see Starkk and Kyouraku share sake under the full moon
>Ulquiorra was a Vasto Lorde since his shape prior to his mask coming off was incredibly human, and it was his silhouette being used to describe Vasto Lordes to begin with.
The problem with this argument is that how Kubo defined "Vasto Lorde" was incredibly vague to begin with and is not simply determined by powerlevel. The Ulquiorra sidestory chapter show several black silhouettes similar to Ulquiorra yet they seem to reject him based on his unique appearance. Were they "true" Vasto Lorde? Did Aizen even succeed in finding these Vasto Lorde? You can argue comparative powerlevels all day but its an issue that's never been explicitly covered by the author and likely never will be.
>The only thing that kept Whitebach from killing Ichigo was the fact that if he died, they'd cease to be, rather than him bullshitting his "master"
The only set rules that seems to be followed by the Vasto Lordes is that they all have vaguely human or near-human shapes.
Sharktits for example was basically a woman in a bodysuit with a mask and shark tooth sword, whereas Ulquiorra was Shikaka from the Wachati Tribe in a human-like form.
Barragan was basically The King of the Mountain Men, if he were a skeleton.
Starkk was The Man With No Name
>people in this thread trying to make sense out of bleach
Forget it people, this is Kubo we're talking about. Shit makes by far less sense than even Naruto.
If we're going by the assumption that each Resurrection form is a perfectly accurate rendition of their previous Hollow form, then most of the Arrancar were Vasto Lorde (unlikely); this probably only applies to Barragan and maybe Starrk although its never stated in the flashback whether or not he had become an Arrancar on his own. Harribel Hollow was anime-only so it can't really be counted.
The act of becoming an Arrancar is what gave them their real human bodies back, bud. All the Ressurecion did was enable parts of their Hollow form to re-manifest.
There's no way you can say that Aye Aye Dinero and Glotoneria were Vasto Lorde level when their fucking lower half was a Cthulhu Spawn.
Barragan you can at least tell was a Lich before he became an Arrancar, somehow.
That's exactly the point I'm making, there is very little to imply Vasto Lorde status solely from a resurrection.
I made no implication of Aaroniero being VL since he is clearly Gillian, but consider all three Primero Espada were human-esque in their releases I'd say Harribel's bears little physical distinction.
My guess is that Barragan was somewhere along the upper limits of what an Adjuchas menos can look like; there just isn't enough info on Vasto Lorde in general to classify anyone as being one (except maybe White...).
As Nodt was my favorite quincy and this has to be the worst chapter in this arc yet. Can Kubo not do anything other than one sided fights, I was so hyped when Hitsugaya was getting raped by Domon Kashou, everything from that point is just dissapointing and feels like filler
I understood this but she could still still have the fear of defeat. This chapter was bullshit.
Pretty sure from Primera to Tricepta (Whatever the fuck the word for Third is, can't be assed) Espadas were all Vasto Lordes because it was even stated they were so powerful that their Ressurecions were forbidden in Las Noches due to how fucking big the energy release would be.
What doesn't make sense about advanced soul manipulation. And Naruto just had fucking Karin take out an enemy that was giving a Kage a hard time.
That's because Karin is Naruto's cousin on his mother's side. She has to have that plot armor from somewhere.
>The problem with this argument is that how Kubo defined "Vasto Lorde" was incredibly vague to begin with and is not simply determined by powerlevel.
>You can argue comparative powerlevels all day but its an issue that's never been explicitly covered by the author and likely never will be.
>An Adjuchas even coming close to a Vasto Lorde in terms of power
Aaroniero was a Gillian yet stronger than many Adjuchas. The point is since we don't know who is and isn't a Vasto Lorde, any comparisons in powerlevel are pointless; it could simply be comparing an Adjuchas to a much stronger Adjuchas.
Thats a special case and explicity stated as such.
better than how kishi usually treats women
That was a pitch black snowflake case.
Worse than Kubo? Because Kubo's pretty fucking terrible.
There can't be multiple exceptions to a rule? There is no explicitly defined power marker for what is and isn't "Vasto Lorde"; you can speculate but there's currently no way to confirm it explicitly.
>Saying this in an arc where Soi Fon and Rukia won
But yes, Kishi was worse than Kubo. He has Sakura say she's not going to be useless and in the exact same chapter has her get saved by Sasuke and Naruto.
I'm not making this up.
stop talking about nabuto in bleach threads. what are you? 15?
I'm your moms lover.
Except there was a power marker you faggot.
>Gillians commonly attack in a group, and one is powerful enough to be a challenge for a Lieutenant of the Gotei 13.
>Adjuchas are commonly solitary creatures, rarely joining into groups. They are powerful enough to challenge a captain of the Gotei 13.
>It is said that their entire number within Hueco Mundo can be counted with the fingers on one's hands. The combat capabilities of a Vasto Lorde are above those of the captains of the Gotei 13.
Bleach women tend to be more useful than Naruto women. It is a know fact.
This. Also, Arrancarization made the distinctions between the classes go away. How can you tell the difference between a very strong former Adjuucas Arrancar and a Vasto Lorde Arrancar? You can't. Nnoitra was almost certainly an Adjuucas when he became an Arrancar, but he leveled up to close to Vasto Lorde level.
yeah right. Then shinji raped him. vasto lorde my ass
This still doesn't give any sort of power marker as to who is and isn't a Vasto Lorde, as none of the Espada were clearly above Captain level.
You've got to be literally fucking kidding if you didn't think Barragan was above Soi Feng in terms of power.
She COULDN'T FUCKING GET NEAR HIM DUE TO RESPIRA.
Okay, but Soi Fon is just one captain out of 13+ Captain Level Shinigami. I'm sure at least one or two of them could beat him under the right circumstances.
And besides Barragan was defeated by a Kido Corps; wouldn't that make him "weaker" than a Captain by your scale? It's an arbitrary ranking system and not accurate for defining "Vasto Lorde". Also, see >>101591015
You're forgetting that Hachi is one of the Visored and the only way to STOP Barragan was to teleport his Respira inside of him.
Jesus Christ it's like you faggots don't understand that the top three Espada were that way because of their previous menos class AND whatever ability they had with them save for Tier Harribel who didn't really seem to have anything nearly as powerful as Respira or Los Lobos.
You're still implying that all three of them are Vasto Lorde when there is no criteria for defining who is and isn't Vasto Lorde. Saying they're Vasto Lorde because "they're the top three Espada" is circular reasoning.
They were Vasto Lordes because they were humanoid (before and after being transformed by the Hogyoku) right?
>Barragan subjugating literally dozens of Adjuchas under him
>Starkk killing every Hollow around him just by existing
>Tier Harribel in general
They're no match for the Sternritter, but they're far from being as weak as Grimmjow given that Ichigo nearly jobbed to him.
Barragan... humanoid? Also we never saw either Starrk nor Harribel as full hollows.
Certainly it was unlikely Grimmjow was VL, but Noitra was much stronger than he, and Ulquiorra even stronger... so where is the line drawn? We simply can't say for sure, this discussion has been going on for years and I don't think there's any evidence left to uncover.
Barragan was a fucking skeleton when Aizen met him. That's humanoid enough.
Logic sectors breaking over here. Also refute all of my points please, if we're going to do this properly.
>Using Ichigo "The Living Tetsaiga" Kurosaki as any kind of barometer