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If traditional 2D animation is so good, how come more studios are gradually switching to 3D CG?
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>>101542490
Budget
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Rapunzel is the only 3D I would stick my dick into.
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Because it's easier.
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>>101542760
This. CGI is actually more expensive, though.

It really saddens me how much 2D western animation has gone to shit. Everything is either flash, CGI or some lazy Korean shit animation. I foolishly hoped that regular cartoons would have had Disney quality animation by the time I was in my twenties when I was a really small kid.
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Cheaper and easier.
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They both look pretty attractive.
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>>101542490
Because Jews
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>>101542490

Because you compare digital still art to post production movie screen shots.
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Because once you make the 3D character you're done you can get whatever animation from any angle you want
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>>101542576
I wish to fuck her eyeballs.
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>>101543032
Princess and the Frog's animation was visually stunning.
It reminds people how good western 2D can be when you throw a ton of money at it.
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Eventually anime will all be cg made to look 2d. A lot of current anime already uses it for certain scenes and no one really notices or cmplains.
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Because it's easier and therefore cheaper.
Once Disney was persuaded that they could make the same amount of money on a product they themselves consider inferior all bets were off.
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The western one looks so pure
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If they could make actual anime like that picture on the left, no one would use CG.
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>>101543140
This, plus you can apply mocap, which make animation a lot easier than 2D animation (except you are tracing).
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If you tried traditionally animating a film with the level of detail of the left picture, half your sweat shop would die from exertion within the first week.
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"We want the Pixar audience" - Every western animation company
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Frozen was in 3D because Tangled left behind abunch of assets and more from its failed art style.
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>>101542760
3d actually seems more difficult because you need skilled and experienced modelers (for all characters and environments), the people who make the rigs, and then the actual animators. In a disney feature they have like 3 animators who only ever work on animating hair.
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>sweat shop
yeah only sophisticated clothing factory can make adventure time
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>>101543198
I agree. I wonder if, not only money-wise, it also has to do with children seeing 3D as more eye-capturing and less boring than 2D.
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>>101543202
>no one notices
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>>101543032
Paperman was testing combining 3D and 2D for future movies and that looked really good.
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>>101543383

Sweat shop, not sweater shop, you fucking idiot.
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>>101542490
Name one anime that looks like that all the time and in every episode
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>>101543181
It's like they are screaming "rape me rape me"...
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>>101542490
Is cheaper.

Same with 3D and sprites in video games.
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>>101543440
God that looked so shitty. Did they do that on purpose? None of the other CG in the show has looked nearly that bad.
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>>101543198
>Princess and the Frog's animation was visually stunning.
Did we watch the same movie? PatF looks like shit and I can't believe it cost $105 million to make.
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I wouldn't mind if all anime were eventually made in 2D-looking CG. Would it be easier than default 3D?

But I wouldn't appreciate a bit if they changed anime to 3D. Don't think it will ever happen, though.
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>>101543440
>tumblr

klk is the opposite cheaply done. Look at Hagani for example. Heavy use of CG for tons of scenes.
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>>101543687
L-Lewd
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>>101543687
The prince turning out to be evil was such a cop out.
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>>101543411
Kids don't care. It's the adults that father them that do.
2D movies are for kids, 3D movies are family friendly because the parents think them being 3D somehow makes them less of a cartoon and more of a "real" movie.
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>>101543567

KLK's budget is just really small from what I've read. Rumor says that they're also saving up the budget for the last episodes, in the same way that TTGL did.
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>>101542490
Who did left?
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>>101543510
>sprites and 2d are more expensive than fully rigged 3d models
>this thread

This is how it actually is:
>movie cgi > 2d animated movie > full cgi tv series > 2d tv series > really cheap cgi (knock off movies like Kiara the Brave and Chop Kick Panda)
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>>101543569
No we must not have watch the same movie because plot/voice acting/music aside that movie was fucking beautiful to watch.
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>>101543687
Western 3D girls are easy.
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>>101543758
>Rumor
You misspelled "Apologists".
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>>101543742
I thought it was pretty well foreshadowed and a nice change from the love at first sight bullshit.
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>>101543742
I knew it was going to happen, because you don't have mutton chops in a disney film without being evil, but it still made me mad.
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>>101543032
>CGI is actually more expensive, though.
uh, not if it's shit, like what is found in most low budget broadcast animu. Some of that shit looks worse than mmd vids rendered in real time on a 5 year old computer.

a lot of the cost and time consumption is with rendering.
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And the budget difference is almost 10:1 per episode.

Just another reason why CGI is awful.
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>>101543742
Fuck even the Disney princess movies follow the same twilight 3 sided romance bullshit now.

We think girls are fucked up in the head now? Just wait 10 or so years.
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>>101543892
More.
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>>101543800
Then why are you still virgin?
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>>101543742
Gotta have a villain.

Muh black/white morality.
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Isn't the only reason why people fawn over the garbage on the right cause of a song?
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>>101543770
Movies as expensive as the money you spend on it. It's hard to get 3D's level of mobile detail in 2D, and it's hard to get 3D as aesthetically pleasing as 2D.
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Tangled and Frozen are a good move back to the hot princesses of the past. It is kind of annoying, because you still make a feature length film 2d on less money than a CG one, but I think they prefer CG because it gives the animators more ability to change scenes on the fly when doing the animatics and initial animations. That and, mo-cap makes the process faster.
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>>101543746
actually, it's because Shrek contains "adult" jokes,
also some Pixar movies contain unconventional themes for animation

since they were the only relevant 3D movies at the time, they shaped the opinion of the people about 3D
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>>101543770

>sprites and 2d are more expensive than fully rigged 3d models

To get the same quality animation out of 2d animation as 3d would require many times more man hours of animation and be much more expensive. It also opens up more fancy effects like moving cameras which would be nearly impossible to do with traditional animation as you would have to redraw the entire background for every frame the camera moves which is unrealistic and generally looks like shit.
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>>101544019
By 'movie cgi' I meant features that you'd see out of Disney, Dreamworks, and Pixar.
>It's hard to get 3D's level of mobile detail in 2D, and it's hard to get 3D as aesthetically pleasing as 2D.
No shit? Who was arguing that?
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>>101543975
mor plese
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>>101542490
Source on left pic?

Obviously Google isn't going to give me any results.
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>>101544016
Yes, cause Disney.
Or pic related.
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>>101543892
>>101543975
wow
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>>101544059
And 2D disney movies used to have people being brutally murdered.
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>>101542490
Comparing a still art with an animation is wrong, you're doing it wrong, why do you exist? Kill yourself
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>>101543202
I always notice, there's just no use in complaining about it's use in shows like Yowamushi Pedal, even though it certainly looks like shit at times and they even use it for still shots for some reason.
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>>101542490
Its cheaper and easy to do. Big budget 3DCG movies like the stuff done by Pixar aren't typical because they're usually made over the course of many years with a very high budget.

3DCG in anime is typically done either to save money or to make a scene with a lot of animation seem more fluid.
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>>101542490
Fairly sure it's both cheaper and "easier" at this point in time
Anime studios just needs to learn how to properly animate at this point of time.
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>>101543742
He was a filthy non-aryan from the south, of course he was the bad guy
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>>101543366
the same applies to 2d animation, except for "a bunch of people for specific jobs" it's "a bunch of people for everything"
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>>101544016
Idina Menzel is a big deal in the American Broadway scene. This was her first major role in a movie so her flock of rabid 'drama team' fans hyped the shit out of a less than average kids movie.
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>>101543770

And even in movie CGI, there are so many different tiers. Current WDAS and Pixar are top tier, Dreamworks is sometimes right below or way under.
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>>101544205
>Dreamworks is sometimes right below or way under.
What? Have you seen some of Dreamworks works lately? I think their stories are complete bullshit, but the visuals are amazing.
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The western market simply prefers 3D according to Disney.

>Make Princess and Frog
>100M budget, 250M box office

>Make Ralph
>165M budget, 470M box office

>Pixar shits Monster University
>200M budget, 700M box office

It's just business. Probably faggot normalfags think "cartoons are for children but 3D is okay"
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>>101544091
Yes, but that's impractical, which is why with cgi they'd just opt for that if they really wanted lots of moving cameras. And why hardly any studio has attempted a full animated 2d feature with the level of detail you'd see out of a cgi movie.

The real answer is that cgi has proven to be bigger money makers in theaters so execs see it as worth the investment.
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>>101544205
As long as we are here can we lament the fact ILM will never create another feature film because they got bought out by Disney.
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3D = digital downloads, itunes, etc.
2D = Vinyl records
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>>101543758
TTGL had plenty of budget for the Genome sequences and plenty of budget for the Generals before him.
The reason the inhaling deeply incident happened was because it stood out compared to the already established quality of the series.
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>>101542490
It's cheaper
2d animation is an art. Disney is dead
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>If traditional 2D animation is so good, how come more studios are gradually switching to 3D CG?
>traditional 2D animation
I don't see this in the OP's picture
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>>101543850
The Admiral on the roof in Poppins had righteous chops and wasn't evil.
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>>101544321
It's more to do with that no one wants to see a niggress
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I wonder sometimes about the notion that CGI is killing traditional animation. The occasional stop motion films that have come out have been reasonably successful and generally have lower budgets than the CGI cartoons. I wonder if the 3D aesthetic isn't just a current trend that people are following for the sake of following a trend.
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>>101544312

Recently, Guardians, Croods, and Puss in Boots. All decent, but I never felt that they were visually stunning. Then again, I didn't see them in theaters.
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>>101544444
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>>101544444

Fucking Brave beating ParaNorman, what a farce. I do have faith in Laika.
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>>101544321
They are not making movies for you anymore. They are making them for kids and what current kids want.

Puppets > Cartoons > CGI > ?
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>>101543366
Its easier to replicate after you have the models. When artists die, thats it but 3DCG allows anyone with sufficient knowledge to animate the exact quality
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Would it bother anyone if some anime started using extremely high-quality CG for the majority of the show?

Probably not quite the best of what we have currently, but say with the tech we'll have to produce it in 10 years from now.
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>>101543762
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=808978
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>>101544444
Who knows, in vidya it's certainly not going anywhere, so the billions invested in developing tech to create it won't go totally to waste. I feel like there might be some resurgences in 2d now and again out of nostalgia and history's sake, but cgi's probably going to reign with animated western features for a while.
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More than anything, it's a trend. Remember all the shitty 2D animated films that came out in the 90s that copied Disney? Yeah.

Don't correlate 3D with "less budget." Those Pixar films take literally hundreds of times more money to animate than your cute girl cartoons. That said, LOW QUALITY 3D CG is far easier to execute than low quality 2D. So yes, in the future, we might see a lot more of that - hell, we're seeing plenty of it already.

I do believe there will be a resurgence of western love for traditional animation in the near future though. I mean, there's already sort of a hipster thing going on, along with the retro fad, of going back and watching old cartoons and shit like the Last Unicorn and what not. As much as I hate the site, Tumblr is fairly instrumental in this. All it'll take is one majorly successful 2D film that isn't Disney, and the momentum could quite easily shift into 2D again.
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>>101544552

Yeah. If you scrutinize the old Disney films, you can see that even they go "off model" from scene to scene, depending on who's animating. Doesn't happen with CG.
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In the Animators Survival Kit, the author talks about how he went to see "The Yellow Submarine" in the theaters, and it sucked. The animation was bad, and the movie itself was stupid. Then he goes on to talk about how people decided that "if the Beatles couldn't beat disney, no one could" and how most of the big shots wrote off animation as a failure, even though the reason these films failed wasn't due to them being animated films, just bad ones.

Now just extend the metaphor.
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>>101544688
Going "off-model" is half the point of Disney Animation. Hell, distortion is one of the twelve principles, and western animation takes great liberties with squash and stretch motions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn4sUzlSSA4
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>>101544653
>Don't correlate 3D with "less budget." Those Pixar films take literally hundreds of times more money to animate than your cute girl cartoons.
Dude the fucking Simpsons movie cost like thirty times as much as 5cmps.
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>>101543366
its easier compared to 2D animation, you have to be seriously talented to do 2D. Not saying 3D definitely isnt hard, but its easier compared to 2D.

It makes me really sad we'll never get Sleeping Beauty quality animation again (please someone HELP)
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>>101544774
That was mostly for the actors, though. And advertising. Pixar films also have that to account for, but the work of 3D animation on that level of fidelity is extremely tedious and time intensive.

5cm/s is barely animated in the first place. Pretty backgrounds =/= animation
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>>101544653

I think the major difference between 2d and 3d animation is how much harder is it to actually animate. Like look at all those low budget CG hentai, those are made from just being able to embellished and move models, something anyone with a tiny bit a talent and a lot of time can do. But you need both tremendous talent and time to actually animate 2D, even on the 3s.
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>japan will never animate snow this well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1gRQ6S7gg
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>>101544774
It also looked 30 times smoother than 5cmps.
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>>101544332
I loved Rango, I didn't expect it to be as good as it was.
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>>101544828
>3DPIG
top kek
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>>101544743
SOON
http://youtu.be/JAFhkdGtHck?t=1m36s
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>>101543456
I hope this becomes a thing. To me animation is an artform, and you just cant completely forget 2D or reduce it to only being used in TV shows.

CG allows for more detail but to me 2D will always be amazing in its own way
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>>101544321
So much was working against the success of Princess and the Frog. I'd say the primary issue would be demographic failure, and I'm just not talking about african-american. My young niece and nephew watched Frozen and liked it, and they both have toys and merch. for it that would fit their tastes. Neither of them would give a shit about Princess and the Frog.

The film was made for nobody.
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>>101544848
Do people really fucking care about shit like that?

/co/ goes on and on about their fucking framerates all day. I'd trade framerate for frame quality all day any day. I fucking like Bakemonogatari.
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>>101544825

Not to mention, Shinkai himself was taking on multiple jobs in creating 5cm, and not being paid that money several times over. If 5cm were a production where Shinkai was had one of the jobs, the budget would have been higher because there's more staff to pay.

"Producer, Director, Sound Director, Script, Storyboard, Original Character Design, Color Design, Art Director, Director of Photography"

This is why 5cm was so cheap.
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>>101544914
Bake is pretty smoothly animated, broseph.
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>>101544848
Well that is to do with budget obviously
>they will never be funded by a western company
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>>101544949
Who the HELL are you supposed to be?
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>>101544880

It might have been made for those who just love animation, and maybe the bayou setting. I liked it a lot.
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>>101544827
>I think the major difference between 2d and 3d animation is how much harder is it to actually animate. Like look at all those low budget CG hentai, those are made from just being able to embellished and move models, something anyone with a tiny bit a talent and a lot of time can do. But you need both tremendous talent and time to actually animate 2D, even on the 3s.

In terms of raw difficulty it goes

Shit 3D <<<< Shit 2D <<<<<<<< Good 2D <<<<< Good 3D.

You can't really judge something SOLELY by how the worst looks. By that logic, even shit 3D in piss poor porn videos look better and require more effort than

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfbebOtjLD8

Expert CGI is just as detailed and complicated, if not more so, than a Roger Williams production. Actually, probably more so.
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>>101544179
Fact: the only 3D animation that is gorgeous is the kind that comes out of Disney, Pixar and Dreamworks. No other company has the money or talent to make the movies look great
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oh boy cherrypicking with weeboos
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>>101543202
I really don't like newer anime's use of CG for backgrounds. It contrasts way too much with the character animations.
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>>101543984
damn nigga
white bread just made toast.
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>>101544880
Maybe. The Disney directives saw it as "people don't like 2D anymore!" (or at least that's what they had to say because any other interpretation would be racist right?) and switched Walt Disney Animation Studio from 2D to full 3D.
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>>101544321
Such bullshit though, Princess and the Frog still did great. Disney already has all the money in the world
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>>101545015
Disney's stuff is shit now.
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>>101545012
Er, you mean Richard Williams?
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>>101544958
>Bake
>Smooth

Pfft

>>101544914
That's because /co/ doesn't know as much as they think they know. Same with /a/.

>>101545015
It depends. I've seen plenty of good CG productions from minor groups.

Not to mention, those big hollywood blockbusters with the giant transforming robots or what not? That's all animation. That's all 3D CG animation. And that shit is expensive and complicated as all hell.

>>101545024
>Half the thread is people defending CG

How bout no.
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>>101544505
Laika is wonderful. I hope they keep up the trend of great films
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>>101545001
Yeah, that does seem like who it was made for. Also for people who can appreciate the historical, musical and culture influences and blah blah.

It doesn't matter because outside of film critics this is a microscopic demographic.
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>>101545015
Captain Harlock shows Toei can do 3D animation.

Also, there are plenty of video game companies that can do 3D animation better than Disney.
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>>101545108
I liked Ralph and Tangled.
Haven't seen Frozen yet because I don't live in the US and every cinema was like "children movie? Well we better show that dubbed instead of subbed".
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ITT: masterpieces of animation
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>>101545135
Yeah, yeah, I was thinking of Who framed Roger Rabbit.
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>>101543742
What >>101543849 said. I thought it was a good subversion of the usual princess crap Disney makes, or at least made early on.
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>>101543687
The fuck? Wasn't this a kids movie?
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>>101545166

What language? Yeah, it's a fucking broadway show, you don't want that dubbed.
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>>101544880
I live in the southern United States.

They STILL won't shut up about this movie.
News reports on how this past holidays the stores were sold out of Princess Tiana everything.
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>>101545166
There's a 480p screener out. pic related
(the 780p floating around is upscaled shit)
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>>101545015
Those TMNT and Astro Boy movies animated by that Hong Kong studio (I forget the name) weren't good when it came to the writing, but visually, they were great. The TMNT one might be aged by now but it was good for its time. Rango also came from none of these 3.
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>>101545164
>Captain harlock

Precure Endings have been around for years. Besides, the realistic designs don't really work well with the CG.
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>>101543198
Sadly, Princess and the Frog put the nail in the coffin for 2D animation by Disney. It was a colossal failure financially.
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>>101543456
watched this a few days ago, thought it was great.
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>>101545181
What are those supposed to be?
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>>101542490
Disney made a few 2D movies that did poorly, declared 2D to be shit rather than owning up to theur bad movies, and has pretty much tried to kill hand-drawn movies with everyone else playing follow the dumbass. Western cartoons are all digital cuz they think animation is for babies and cut as much of their budget as possible.

Walt is probably rolling in his grave.
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>>101545108
It looks great. although they dont really experiment or do anything different anymore
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>>101545293
Precure endings also have a fair amount of money and time thrown into them. A long form series would not look as good.
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>>101545287
I stand corrected, I guess. Ultimately it was still a box office failure, for whatever reason.

I'm up in Canada here. No fucks were given.
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>>101545308
Her lunch.
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>>101545287
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What do you guys think of miss monochrome ending?
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>>101545276
Spanish. Even if it wasn't musical the voice acting of dubbing is generally atrocious.
>>101545288
>Screener
I'll just wait until a proper version comes out.
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>>101542490
Maybe it's just that kids these days are more used to the visuals in CGI animation. I saw Mulan on TV with my 14-year old cousin recently and I was very impressed with the art and animation. You'd be hard-pressed to find any holds in the character animation and it was very expressive. At the end of the movie I asked my cousin if he preferred hand drawn or CGI films, and he said CGI because the colours in the hand-drawn films were flat and boring. Maybe Disney needs some 5-tone shading to get the kids attention these days.
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>>101545181
KMB is just ironically low budget. It's too deep for you.
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>>101545300
>First black princess
>Is a frog for 90% of the movie
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>>101545350
The art style is vomitrocious.
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>talking with someone about 2d vs 3d in Disney films
>whatever, 3d is just as good
>mfw his valid opinion
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>>101542490
Source on the left?
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>>101542760
like ur mom
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>>101545399

Well, they're never gonna be won over by Sleeping Beauty or the Last Unicorn, then. Then again, I was bored by Snow White as a kid and never really watched it much. I as all about dat Mermaid and dat Arab.
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>>101545412
FUCK YOU MUFFY, YOU FUCKING CUNT
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>>101544552
Well, not quite the exact same quality. You still need to acquire certain skills in animation to produce good CGI movement.

But you do have a point about it being easier to train and specialize the production of CGI as compared to hand-drawn. If you want high quality hand drawn animation, you need people who can both draw and animate well. For CGI, you can split the tasks of modeling characters, and then animating those characters. So in that sense the level of risk is lower. You're less reliant on genius artists, who might take a long time to train to genius level and therefore not have much time left in their career, or who might decide that their genius level skills are worth more than you're giving them.
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>>101545389
What's your problem with screeners? There's an occasional copyright watermark, but we're not strangers to text at the bottom of the screen around these parts.
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>>101545437
Even though I'll always prefer 2d animation, movie cgi has come to a point where it can look really good, now. It'd be a little painful to re watch Toy Story 1 again but Tangled is easy on the eyes.
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>>101542490
mostly cause 3d sells better than 2d in theaters

suck it
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>>101545300
PATF did alright, it just didn't make as much as their CG films did. Winnie the Pooh bombed though.
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>>101545403
deconstruction of budgets
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Guys if it's not 3D anime take it to /co/.

This is all western shit.
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>>101545523
Sometimes some stuff is a bit different from the final version. I don't really know what the case is for Disney's stuff though.
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>>101545399
3D allows for a LOT of detail, it is amazing. Like you can tell what fabric Elsa's dress is made from in Frozen. But still, there's something great about drawing something from nothing, and just knowing how fabric and people work you could emulate it without actually having to have textures
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>>101545399
When you preferred Bugs bunny over rin tin tin
Your grandparents thought you had shit taste as well.
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>>101545592
That one goes to Musashi Gundoh
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>>101542490
The 3d bitch looks hot. What was Frozen even about? Explain it to me like it was a anime.
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I really thought Frozen will be a bad movie. The initial trailers were horrible. It's like they wanted to discourage people from watching it.
But yeah, this film has something from everyone:
- kids love it because it has fun story and nice characters
- waifufags love it because of Elsa and Anna
- tumblr shippers love it because of "lesbian unertones"
- LGBT crowd loves it because they see some homosexual metaphors in it

To be honest, there is some tendency to make female characters more and more cute instead of sexy. It's already common in Japan, now it's getting popular in the West.
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>>101545300
because niggers, what did they expect
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>>101545723

It also pisses other SJWs off because 19th century Danish royalty and other characters aren't Africans or 200kgs.
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>>101545628
As far as off topic discussions go, this is fairly /a/ related.

>>101545716
DECONSTRUCTION
YURI WINCEST END
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>>101542490
>>101542490
>>101542490
>>101542490
>>101542490
>>101542490
can you stop fucking posting Frozen? It's a shitty movie and trying to force it as a fandom onto the board is only making it worse
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>>101545716
A blonde ojou-sama has secret ice powers so she locks the castle. Her genki imouto wants friends. Their parents are dead. They open the castle for her coming of age, and the genki imouto gets proposed to by Kaiki Deishun. This triggers ojou-sama's wrath and accidentally reveals her ice powers. She then runs up to a mountain, creates an eternal winter, sings about homosexuality, and creates an ice castle to live in. Genki imouto must travel with MC-level-Dense blonde ice climber to get her to come home.
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>>101545723
plotwise it wasnt great. I love it because the songs are fantastic. those book of mormon songwriters are good
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>>101545816
Frozen confirmed for anime.
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>>101545792
I just wanted to download this special for that bounce, thanks for saving me some time.
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>>101545567
Yeah but Toy story is still a good movie when Brave was a piece of shit
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>Frozen
>/co/ threads are basically /u/
>more than 400 fanfictions of Elsa x Anna
>plenty of lesbian fanart
And I thought only Japan is so fucked in the head.
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>>101545300
>make a movie based in the cajun south
>expect anyone to see it
I mean, the movie ended up being pretty good, but I didn't even see it in theatres because it didn't look that interesting. And a lot of people I talked to said the same thing.
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>>101542490
because it's cheaper
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>>101546007
>Japan is so fucked in the head

You don't belong here.
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>>101545994
Don't talk shit about my bear waifu.
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>>101546007
/co/ can't help it. This is probably the only thing they'll have to talk about for a year or two.
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>>101545716
2 BFF sisters. The older one discovers she is an ice mahou shoujo. She accidentally hurts her genki imouto so she distances herself from her.

They grown up and mom and dad die. People find out about older sister's magic and she disapears.

imouto: I gotta find out who kill my sis
She finds her but she is full blown Homura now.
Power of friendship and siscon saves the day.


Sounds good right?


Too bad the imouto has a side story reverse harem
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If Walt Disney were alive today, what do you think he would say not just about his own company, but the etire philsophy of modern Western animation?
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>>101543440
I didn't realize Satsuki was cg in that scene.
I just assumed they drew her and put a poorly done cg landscape.

Seems like it could have been just as well, and cheaper to not make a full CG model of Satsuki and just draw the 4 or so frames of her animation.
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>>101545792
>>101545816
Damn not sure if it's worth sitting through this just for the girl.

When is America gonna start making Rated R 3D movies with fan service? All the good western 3D pron is on pay sites.
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Am I not supposed to like the one on the right?

To be honest, the one on the left looks slutty and the right one looks like a pure maiden.
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>>101546087
and the ice mahou shoujo ISN'T the main character???

seriously what was running through Disney's head. true princess is aurora
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Is it worth it waiting for a proper home release for decent quality, or should I just download that low quality torrent?
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>>101545716
spoilers nigga
ice bitch and her ginger sister being cute as fuck, ice bitch shoots gingercute with plot device beam
magic troll motherfuckers retrieve band-aid. band aid makes her lose memories.
ice bitch hides from ginger for 12ish years. her powerlevel gettin stronk as fuck.
huege party now. gingeradorable finds manmeat and they wanna get married. ice bitch aint havin that shit. 1/2
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>>101546144
Well, it's certainly better than any anime from this season. But you sound like a huge pleb anyway.
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>>101546144
I thought it was reasonably good.

> Rated R 3D movies with fan service

They already do this, if by 3D movies you mean live action. If by 3D you mean cartoon: Never. Well, not until the rift has revolutionized the world's concept of sexuality.
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>>101546049
>liking Japan
>>>/jp/
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Who here has seen 009 re:cyborg? I kinda liked it for the NPR rendering. Production IG is getting pretty good at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrmbrbQ6c40
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>>101543440
I didn't mind it, it looked fine to me when it was in quick motion.
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>>101546186
>>101545716
2/2
ice bitch gets mad angry, shoots up the place with ice blasts.
ice bitch runs away. gotta find icebitch.
tryn to find icebitch, finds icebitch, gets shot by icebitch again. band aids wont work.
"true love will fix it nigga." -troll doctor
gingermoe gets manmeat to kiss her, BAD END hes da villain.
ginger dies because ice infection, icebitch fixes it because fuck you.
"love will fix it, yo." -gingergirl icebitch uses love to fix everything. the end.
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>>101543742
Once Christoph showed up, I just assumed he'd end up with her sister, and that the old guy would be the evil guy, since that was already kind of set up.
It'd still have subverted the whole "first love" thing.
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>>101546120
He'd be critical of the kikes pushing their shit with his name but he'd be positively lived about the feminization of his company.
Not even joking.
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>>101543975
whats the source on the bottom one?
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>>101546216
>never
Heavy Metal.
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I like the 3D in the Neptune app.

>>101546230
God, stop talking as if you hold some moral high ground. You're on enemy territory, so just shut the fuck up and don't tell others what THEY should do when it's you who's obviously in the wrong.
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>>101546085
yeah. and they don't even talk about family guy when it's on every week
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>>101546232
I didn't like the animation at all. Character animation outside of the action scenes was poor.
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TV 3D won't look that good even in 20 years. Probably even more.
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>>101544010
>black/white morality.
>implying that Hans wouldn't have been an excellent king
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>>101546300
Speaking of Heavy Metal, I heard they made a remake.
Is it as good, or is it garbage?
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>>101546240
Who does ice bitch end up with?
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>>101546240
shit nigga sounds 2/2 wud watch wit ma homies
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>>101546408
no one. 2nd princess who is single
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>>101546296
TMNT 2013
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>>101542760
Uh, I didn't know that, it's like movies in the 80s had some sort of a better realistic visual to them, now it's filter and lens flare. Didn't video games had something similar (Concept). They had pre-rendered background in some FFs, FF7/8 was amazing. I wonder why they stopped.
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>>101546408
No one.

Happiness.

Self-actualization.
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>>101546408
best girl never wins.
you said explain it like an anime.
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>>101546244
The lovve at first sight subversions is fine. The copout is turning him evil for no good reason. Having them realize it wasn't true love and the prince leaving would have worked better. They still had the Weaselville ambassador for the villain role anyway. At least the act of true love made sense instead of it being Kristof.
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>>101546302
>You're
I was a different guy than the grandparent. You're talking like someone who's new to anonymous conversation.

We like anime here, but aren't really fans of Japan. You should know our opinion on weeaboos.

>don't tell others what THEY should do
You should lurk more.

If you just considered replying to me saying how you've been here for years, you've only just confirmed it.
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>>101545723
>something for everyone
>lists four groups of faggots
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>>101546240
>"true love will fix it nigga." -troll doctor
moral of the story
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The NTR subversion in that moive really rustled me for some reason. Love of your life is actually a bad guy, so other guy with more screen time gets to take you. Fuck.
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>Frozen doujins
>Disney sues Comiket and Japan
Can't wait.
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>>101546408
No1.
Wich is grate if she's yo waifu, cuz u can self insert all dayz and not give a fuck aboot some crazy ass cracka stealin' her away.
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>>101545250
It's a reversed gif for when they do an "oh how romantacly awkward trip/fall.
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>>101546540
You just responded to copypasta. I think you're the one who needs to lurk more.
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>>101546729
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Disney Western 2D is bretty good too
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>>101546626
>>101546680
>>101546729
subs for ep2 out yet?
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>>101544743
I just realized that Olive is a slut.
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>>101546805
Ha, shit. So I did.

Points still stand re: >>>/jp/
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>>101546568
>>101546626
>>101546680
>>101546806
Whoa did I just step into the cute as HELL thread?
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If they do make anime CGPD then I hope they make it like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAI4B_2Mfc
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>>101546848
This just reminds that damn Wicked is a good play.
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>>101546406
Wasn't a remake, just a new version.

It was shit.
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>>101542490
2D is expensive and time consuming, especially if it's still done right, with niggas drawing and painting the cells. Even though it's pretty much all done digitally these days, it's still very expensive compared to CG.

This is all quality aside, of course. Some CG looks like complete shit, but so does some 2D.

That being said, I'll always prefer the old method of drawing everything on cells and painting it in. It looks much more natural for an anime.
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>>101543975
Why are they pulling the same moves?
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When will Disney buy the anime industry?
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>公開 日本 2014年3月14日
Wait, Japan still hasn't had a chance to seen Frozen in theaters in Japanese and it's got that much fanart?

I wonder what voice actors they'll get.
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Thing about CG is that assets tend to go stupid crazy sometimes and take forever to fix.

Like Rapunzel's hair having a mind of it's own and basically raping Rapunzel or Eugene randomly or Elsa's hair clipping through her shoulder during "Let it Go"
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>>101547036
Disney actually wants to make money, so never.
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>>101547019
Good to know.
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>>101547025
Because the animators are weebs who like paying homage to their favorite chinese cartoons.
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>>101546794
My sides
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>>101546848
>tumblr_

What is it with the west and oversized noses?
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>>101547023
No everyone's seen it at this point, that might be that sing a long/karaoke version

completely unrelated, but /frz/ has some wicked drawfags, including incase and schrodinger
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>>101547023
>2D is expensive and time consuming, especially if it's still done right
No. Good animation is expensive and time consuming, regardless of whether it's 2D or 3D.

That said, 3D has a couple of advantages over 2D. While 2D characters arguably look better and move better, everything else is better in 3DCG. That is, in expensive 3DCG. Background movement, water, fire, vehicles and technology, snow (as shown in a previous video), plants, and all those tiny and subtle movements that are absent from 2D animation, all can be done very, very well in 3D. Also things like small details and moving patterns are inherently cheaper to do well in 3D, so they actually get done.
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>>101547259
Well, in that pic, the nose probably needs to be even bigger, considering it's the Wicked Witch of the West.
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>>101547066
The snow queen is Maaya Sakamoto, but they got some random bitch to sing Let It Go. What a fucking waste.
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Anybody have gifs the CG parts of GITS: arise? That was pretty seamless.
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>>101547036
Miyazaki movies are already under Disney's name
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>>101547090
The hair clipping was intentional, iirc the animation supervisor guy or whatever said that they tried a few different animations but the phase through with the hair kept the movement flowing during the song. This is a cgi Disney movie feature, multiple people have scrutinized every detail about it.
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If you want my shiteater opinion everything starting form the 21st century looks like garbage.
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>>101547278
So what you're saying is that the future is seamless 2.5D.
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>>101547381
That is a pretty shitty opinion. Jintai looks great.
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>>101547259
You could probably say the same thing about Japan and their general lack of noses.
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>>101547372
It was intentional because they couldn't fix it no matter how many times they tried, so they just changed how the camera looked at Elsa at that particular point to detract attention away from it
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>>101547352
Well, I know there's that pop artist version, but are they seriously going to use that in the movie instead of letting the proper voice actor sing it? That would be jarring and retarded.
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>>101547259
It's a witch. Witches have big noses.
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>>101543850
>because you don't have mutton chops in a disney film without being evil
That's what did it for me.

I didn't think he'd be evil but I knew he wasn't the love interest.
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>>101547564
Yeah, it doesn't even sound like her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1poicuB2s
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>>101543742
Well originally Elsa was supposed to be the villain once she went into full seclusion, but that song wasn't evil enough, so they just revamped the story line a bit.

In all honesty, yeah the villain was weak in Frozen
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>>101542490

http://thecartdriver.com/arpeggio-of-blue-steel-episode-1-one-day-cg-anime-will-look-good/
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Did anyone watch Vexille? That had pretty good CG and artstyle. Shame the plot was all over the place.
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>>101547785
>Changing the entire story for just one song.
You know because villain songs aren't the best part of Disney movies anyway.
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>>101547548
Jokes on them, their parents didn't leave bodies.
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>>101547352
That's because Maaya refuses to sing in-character.
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>>101545816
10/10
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>>101542551

Actually it's more about the return upon investment.

Film grade CGI character animation is ungodly expensive.
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>635 fanarts on Pixiv
>more than many anime from this season and Frozen wasn't even released in Japan yet
>we want the waifu audience
>we want the Asian market
Sasuga Disney.
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>>101547843
Princess and the frog dissagrees
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2DCG and 3DCG are both very time- and talent-intensive, with each medium facing unique challenges. One isn't really harder to produce than the other. And fuck, the last thing motivating the switch to 3D is budgetary concerns, seeing how much money is required to develop and implement the technology for cutting-edge 3D animation.

This isn't to say that 3D is better (or that 2D is, for that matter).
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>>101547679
I knew he wasn't the love interest so at first I was like... "well maybe they'll do something at least interesting with him that doesn't involve just being generically evil 2/3rds in"

But nope. Also he could have "won" but for some reason saved Elsa, even though he really needed her dead. Makes the big reveal later even dumber.
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>>101542490

Because 3DCG its a carnival
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>>101547927
That anon seemed to be saying it pretty tongue-in-cheek to me.

But still, 'friends on the other side' was great.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAY-78zhmw
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>>101547854
It's that her recording label contract doesn't allow her to do so, though.
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>>101547843
Well, Let it Go doesn't exactly sound villainous nor does it sound like something a villain would sing
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>>101547718
>Dat dress transformation
My fucking dick, picked the fuck up
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>Frozen general #296
Is Frozen the Evangelion of /co/?
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>>101547843
The Villain songs are contrived and weak almost always.
Shit like hellfire, be prepared, are awful and kill the beast is just boring.
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>>101545591

Both of those movies would have done much better if they did one of two things (or both):

1) Made a movie that mass audiences actually wanted to see. (I'm referring to the choice of their story in PTAF, the New Orleans spin was actually really cool. Winnie the Pooh was great, but no one was asking for it)

2) Didn't solely rely on nostalgia and "TOODEE IS BACK" to sell the films

The problem isn't attitudes toward 2D. The problem is marketing and the story they're trying to tell.
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>>101547799

Arpeggio look lifeless, and the animation itself is stiff as hell. You want good CG, look to Pixar.

Well, maybe they shouldn't have fucking made it CG then if they couldn't do a decent job with it.
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>tfw you've listened to the Frozen OST and watched the screener so many times you've ruined them
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>>101548318
I know that feel.
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>>101548242

Yes.
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>>101548258
Shit taste.
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>>101547896
disney is insane popular in japan since...always
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>>101546085

Nah, they have Marvel films, webcomics, and Big Hero 6 (new Disney film about Japanese superheroes) to talk about. It's still shallow waters, but there's something.
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>>101548242
still going strong and will only get stronger when bluray comes out
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>>101548258
>Be prepared
>awful
Last time I checked, shot posting got you banned.
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>>101547896
>>101548383

Nippon will drive Frozen to $1 billion worldwide earnings.
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>>101548401
/co/ has seen recent attempts to drive live action comic book movies away and to /tv/. Why, I have no idea.
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>>101546085
it's literally a pocket lite edition of /a/, except instead of waifu's, most everyone talks about Elsanna
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>>101543366

A 3D model is tougher to build than some design orthos, but once it's built it's built and you can just move the camera around it. With 2D every new position you choose to use needs a redraw.
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>>101546162

That film's plot was a bit shallow, but holy fucking shit the art and animation was god-tier.

I loved the focus on pure emotion than logic too.

>>101546179

Go see a late night showing at the theater. There won't be any kids (or many people for that matter) and you'll have a blast.
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>>101548521

>implying Elsanna talk precludes waifu talk
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>>101543440
Most people complain about the way she moves, not the quality of the character model there.

Because she's not moving realistically.
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>>101544321
well the princess and the frog is about niggers
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>>101546162
It's a bit sad, because in the end, the Ice Queen doesn't even end up with a love interest.
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>>101548601
At first I thought it was supposed to be intentionally like that since it was so blatantly shitty.

I'm fucking blind when it comes to QUALITY but even I was wutting.
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>>101548258

Did you just say that Hellfire is a bad villain song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqGL9B_TPTI

That's one of the best villain moments in Disney history.
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>>101548682

>complaining that a waifu remains single
Am I on /v/?
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>>101548682
>Doesn't even end up with a love interest.
Ice Queen a pure.
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>>101548774
No, you're on shipfaggot central
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>>101548438
In Disney the songs get to be silly sincere for comedic purposes. The Villain songs can't be silly so they just come across as contrived, especially in contrast to the other songs in the feature.
This also applies to a lesser degree to romance songs in Renaissance era films.
Only one that feels right in the context of its film to me is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFVG4VfPmg
>>101548762
All of Hunchback is shit. You heard me.
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>>101543742
awwh I haven't seen it yet.. I-It's not like I wasn't even going to anyway
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Did you guys see how Shinkai animated his works ? He used 3d model for everything then draw over them, but he didn't use that on the characters so they look like shit. So, if 3d is the base for 2d, it's far easier for animators and it's also better at the same time
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>>101548318
I listen to the OST, but I'm holding off on rewatching the movie until the bluray comes out. I can't wait to purchase it.
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This is all the Jews fault.
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>>101542490
Sauce?
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the akito OVAs look good, sunrise is almost perfecting the CGI mecha design.
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Let It Go is on my favorites on my phone now. No fucks given. Love Frozen.
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>>101548997
Read the thread.
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>>101548682
She's pure unlike her slut sister.
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>>101547259
That's a pretty normal sized nose, though? Like I love tiny anime noses as much as anyone but realistic they'd look terrifying on any real person, and out of place in a more western style.
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>>101549090
imagine fucking elsa and having your dick completely frozen inside her vagOO

it would be a pretty cool experience
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>>101548814
>The Villain songs can't be silly

But...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuJTqmpBnI0
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I always wondered... We all know that anime lives on BD/DVD's sales. But what about Western films? Are physical copies selling well?
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So, is this a Disney thread?

Cool, I love /co/ threads in /a/.

What do you guys think of the upcoming "Big Hero 6"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSV3laJplpU
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>>101549202
I'd venture a guess that it's a hit or miss depending on how well it did in the theaters.

Like for sure most Disney classics and current content that is decent still continues to churn money for them
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>>101549022

Same here.

>>101549202

>But what about Western films?
Nope.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=frozen2013.htm
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>>101549202
If they fail in cinema they are deemed failures.
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>>101549169
>No one shitposts like Gaston
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>>101548258
>Shit like hellfire, be prepared, are awful and kill the beast is just boring.
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>Most of reply mention about background
>But the main problem of CG is Character movement not the background.
CG is easier to animate and look clean but the movement is totally ugly, even if they can manage to make it similar to 2d it will take more time and money than doing 2d directly.
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>>101549011
Orange does the best 3DCG mecha work in Japan right now; it's surprising that more studios don't subcontract their CG work out to them. They are the only studio I find on par with 2D.
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>>101549169
He's not the villain yet for Gaston. I like Gaston's song a lot.
But like I said earlier kill the beast was flat.
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>>101543440
Hopefully KLK is a huge financial success and Trigger will continue to save anime with high quality animation thanks to infinite dosh.
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>>101542490
3D look like children toy or Barbie, not look like Human at all
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>>101549223

I'm biased because I'd have preferred a Runaways movie, but I think "San Fransokyo" is an acceptable idea for a mid-90s superhero comic trying desperately to cash in on this new "animay" thing all the kids are talking about.

In any other context, it's retarded. It'll probably lead to some fun /a/ threads, though.
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>>101544321
Ralph was so fucking good
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>>101549202
>Tangled

The film sold a record 2,970,052 units (the equivalent of $44,521,079) in its first week in North America, the largest opening for a 2011 DVD. It dominated for two weeks on the DVD sales chart and sold 6,657,331 units ($102,154,692) as of July 18, 2012.[37] It has also sold 2,518,522 Blu-ray units ($59,220,275) by May 29, 2011.[38]

Disney could buy your anime market. Their annual revenue reached $45 Billion for 2013.
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>>101549011
It's not horrible but I still hate it because Code Geass to me is 2-d mecha
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>>101549519
>Trigger ever making Kyoani/Shaft level dosh.
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>>101543440

Actually, the CGI isn't the issue there, it's that the company that did it fucked up the running cycle. It doesn't match the speed of the background at all. It looks like she's skating or something.
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>>101549685
The only SHAFT shows that made serious money were Madoka and Monogatari.
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>>101549592

I'm glad that Disney's changing the names too.

The fake japanese names in that comic were really cringeworthy.
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>>101548814
> The Villain songs can't be silly so they just come across as contrived

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmrPn1CnzY
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>>101543984

>2014
>Not Being a virgin.
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>>101543742
Movie was full of twists, like
>true love
>ice boy actually doesn't end up with ice queen
>prince charming is actually a villain
Of all these I guessed the last one should have been foreseen, seeing how those side burns just scream "raaaape"
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>>101547896
That's surprising.

I kinda wanna watch the nip dub now...
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Biggest sticker: Because there's a LOT more 3D animators out there, especially in the west.

You still need people to actually get any sort of animation done, and there's a far bigger pool of talent for 3D animation (because of other media) than the traditional 2D craft.
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>>101550096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC83NA5tAGE

Japanese is at about 1:10
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I know it's inevitable, but I hope 2D never dies.
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>>101550420
God fucking damn the budget just to get the voices in all these languages must be immense
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>>101549745
While Trigger have none that can match Shaft.
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>>101545360
he's joking
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>>101550584
Voice actors get paid nothing
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>>101550494

Nah mang, it's alive and well in Europe and Japan.

I suspect it'll have a comeback of sorts in the west, or at the very least the "Paperman" method will go into wide use (which a future Disney film is rumored to use, which involves Polynesian mythology. I'm guessing that Zootopia will use it too).

That, and I'm sure South Korea will start having more and more of their own animations coming out considering two things:

1) Outsourcing is moving to India and China (thought that may not happen since [adultswim] and Nickelodeon have really good relations with the Korean animation industry)

2) Korea has some of the most god tier animators and draftsmen in the east
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>>101550420
Is anyone else a little weirded out that some lady is all alone up on a mountain, bursting into song, making an ice castle?
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It took me 2 months to make one minute of extremely high quality hand drawn animation.

It only would've taken a few days at most with CG.
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CGI is way way better for complicated choreography and movement, as well as shading, if done right. It also has far more artistic potential overall.

2D animation is easier and cheaper to get to a base level of looking decent. In my opinion, even Pixar and other big CGI studios fuck it up and have to rely on strange proportions to get things looking right.

I'd like the entire industry to move into a 3DCG model but only once people stop being idiots in using it.
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>>101550796
>A few days at most
Not at all.
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>>101550796
A few days at most to render it, you mean.
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>>101550796

Let's see it
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>>101550780

Nah, it's more of a musical than any Disney film before.

Also, go see it.
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I've seen some fucking subliminal advertising before, but posting on /a/? Really?
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ITT: People who think Japan will ever go completely 3DCG when they have an entire industry catering to people who only like 2D women
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>>101543687
>disney's_zero_no_tsukaima.gif
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>>101542490
Because they aren't. Even Europe still use 2D for a lot of major productions. Murrica switched to 3D because it's cheaper to animate and more popular with people, big marketeers are also under the illusion that 2D is dead and can't sell.
While they aren't completely in the wrong, 2D would be probably less popular than 2D in western countries, it doesn't change the fact that they know nothing about animation and that 2D does sell.

Japan isn't switching to 3D-only anytime soon. Good 3D needs a big first investment because the tools cost a lot, wich is why they focus on cheap 2D-like 3D that they can use for their primary need : limitate the costs of 2D animation.
However, the huge majority of the market is still in 2D and will stay like that for a long time, because a complete switch to 3D would require a massive demand for 3D in Japan and that it would need the studios to have a sudden raise in their budget to be able to make the investment.

On another note, are the 3D sequences in Kill la Kill directed/animated by Imaishi ? Because it does looks like it.
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>>101543687
>slides down her sleeve
>goes back up anyways
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>>101549666
>It's not horrible but I still hate it because Code Geass to me is 2-d mecha

Well, this is a free world. I think Akito works fine despite still liking 2D mecha myself.
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>>101548814
>All of Hunchback is shit
Whoa whoa whoa, I'll agree that it's probably the worst executed of any animated Disney film and some exec must have been high as fuck to think it would make a good kids movie, BUT that fucking soundtrack, man. The opening song alone is brilliant.
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>>101552176
> the worst executed of any animated Disney film
Little Mermaid and Hercules say hi
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>>101543032
>>101542490

America still got 2D talent... all made in Hollywood, CA

Check out FOX's ADHD (animation domination HD) every saturday nite.
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>>101543032
Flash can be good. IIRC, the Birdy remake was animated in Flash
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How is it that Disney is able to make such great waifus? First Rapunzel, and now Elsa.
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>>101552930
Arial is still best waifu
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>>101552176
All I remember from that movie is Esmeralda being hot, Frodo being creepy, and

>I FEEL HER, I SEE HER
>THE SUN CAUGHT IN HER RAVEN HAIR
>IS BLAZING IN ME OUT OF ALL CONTROL

>LIKE FIRE
>HELL FIRE
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>>101543758
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>>101546805
#rekt
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I got your OTP right here
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>>101553015

>Arial

>best waifu
>ditches her home, friends and family and makes a deal with the devil to get with some guy she knew for maybe 20 minutes

"What's your name?"
"Giselle."
"We'll be wed tomorrow!"
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>>101547953
He needed one of the 2 sisters alive so he could fake a marriage and then kill them.
He assumed Anna had died so he needed Elsa alive to give him the crown.
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Can the west stop using silicone texture for human skin?

I know you can do better, I've seen it done before. Why do 3D Disney movie characters all look like they're boob implants?
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>>101553445
true otp
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>>101553445
I actually really like how Disney didn't shoe-horn in a love interest for once.

It really made the movie a bit more mature in my opinion.
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>>101553669
I thought he just wanted to publicly execute her to gain recognition for 'stopping the evil Ice Queen', letting the other sister die so he could get all the power himself.
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>mfw 3d
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>>101548318
>tfw
>>>/co/
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>>101542490
Jews.
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>tfw newfags
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>>101553090
THIS BURNING
DESIRE
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>>101553445
Wow, this pairing actually has a lot of nice art for it. Wtf
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>>101554121
Who are you quoting, kisama?
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What would you do if KyoAni became a dedicated 3D studio?
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>>101554606
Nothing. It'd be better than Kyoukai no Kanata.
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>>101554606
I'm bored with KyoAni. When they do something besides high school drama shit, I'll get back into them.

The last thing they did that was even remotely interesting was Nichijou.
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>>101543758
>people still think KLK has budget issues
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>>101542490
Because the big shots at major studios saw that a couple of well-written children's movies that just happened to be animated in 3DCG did very well, they thought that kids liked the movies because of the 3DCG, so they switched almost entirely over.

This creates a conundrum where if the new system succeeds, they'll give the credit to 3D, and if it fails, they'll say the medium as a whole is dying, 2D and 3D.
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>>101554740
Too bad it was shit

The last thing they did that was remotely interesting and good was FMP, boy that was a long time ago
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>>101545399
I think theatrical 2d animation needs a visual shakeup, definitely. The addition of multi-toned shadows, variation in line width and line color, gradients and drop-in textures could make a difference.

>tfw there will never be a 2d theatrical release of a film based on Alphonse Mucha.

I would pay so much money to see a film that looked like that. I think Paperman technology will be able to get us there.
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>>101554606

KyoAni's works are bland. I don't get the hype about them.

They clearly are just a well managed so-so studio. They really have no innate artistic talent at all.

Through time KyoAni has dropped from the sakuga scene just because of the things they do, are typically the same. The approaches. The animation style. The character's movement and behavior.

Just tell me. What is it that KyoAni has done that is so fresh? Till then I will never accept them as a studio worthy of such attention.
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>>101554968
KyoAni does nothing fresh. Their reputation lies in their consistency with animation and visuals, probably because they're so experienced with doing the exact same thing over and over and all of it is done in studio instead of being outsourced like most others.
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>>101554968

>Through time KyoAni has dropped from the sakuga scene just because of the things they do, are typically the same. The approaches. The animation style. The character's movement and behavior.

This is actually the sad truth. KyoAni is so obsessed about their style that they forget to expand and be a little bit more experimental about their works.

Their CMs screamed more artistry than all of their recent works combined.
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>>101554931
Mucha is my nigga.

Gosick tried: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOrkj_MFXm8
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>>101555128

Disagree. Some of their CMs were great.
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>KyoAni
>being brought up as a legitimate example of a good studio

Nice trolling.
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>>101545668
I like the way her dress looks from afar but close up? I never liked the texture of the bodice. It looks like its made of plastic sequins, that they overlay atop each other makes it look like scales. It makes for a very . . . Las Vegas Halloween sort of look. It really makes the dress look out of place in the context of the world created for the film.

I really think it would have looked nicer if the bodice was made of crystal. Or hey, *ice crystal*, like, window-frost/fern-frost , that would have looked pretty and magical and would have been thematically appropriate.

>pic related, so pretty
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>>101554828
>people still think the first show from a new studio has a huge budget
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Anime should be more like Frozen. Cute, pretty and for the whole family.
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>>101542490
Because it requires less time and money. Plain and simple.
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>>101548895
>not pre-ordering from a disney store to get the lithographs

I have my Elsa litho framed and hanging over my bed.
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>>101555459
you're just being retarded on purpose right
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Greetings fellow carcom posters and sakuga enthusiasts. I'm here to remind you all of our late president's rules.

PLEASE DO NOT EVER BRING UP KYOANI AS IT IS A BANNED TOPIC FOR #SAKUGA

Thank you and may animation flourish more.
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>>101555163
This is actually quite lovely, thank you for linking this, I very much appreciate it.

I give you another qt Mucha girl
>dat profile
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>>101555574
i'm not defending kyoani but kill yourself if you're going to trip newshit
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>>101555505
>for the whole family

I'm sorry, but I prefer my anime without pointless mascot characters, and there's already enough predictable "humor" in my japtoons.
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>>101555517
I think you are. Stop acting like a new studio has tons of dosh lying around. There budget isn't super small, but it's definitely not big. Stop acting like it is.
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>>101555667
what the fuck is funding you stupid cunt
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>>101555620
>>101554931
>mucha
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>>101550420
The slav languages were the best IMO.
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>>101555737
It isn't much I can tell you that. Seriously. Stop acting like they've got a super huge budget the size of TTGL or some other big show because they just fucking don't.
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>>101555769
they're not in enough trouble for that satsuki gif to be a budgeting issue
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>>101555801
It isn't. I'm just stating a fact. The gif is most likely because they don't have much experience with CG and as we can see the CG got a lot better later on.
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>>101555642

Please Anonymous. Do not even mention defending KyoAni.

Bringing up KyoAni is just tantamount to starting a senseless riot.
Remember

No mention of Kyoto Animation in a thread = Peaceful and informative animation discussion
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>>101555864
But KyoAni is saving animation. Haven't you been following the thread?
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>>101555862
it could have been on purpose? you do realize the whole show is taking the piss out of itself
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>>101555864

You know thinking on it this is pretty brilliant.

>/a/ is mostly hipsters.
>Therefor logically they will dislike the more popular studios.
>But they will hate being told not to do something worse.
>Therefor logically if someone mentions not talking about KyoAni then everyone on /a/ will want to do so.
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>>101555930
I highly doubt they'd make an otherwise good looking fight scene look like total shit in parts just to do it. They didn't do it with later fights, so it's safe to assume that it was just their inexperience with CG.
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>>101555759
You . . . dislike Mucha?

I understand people thinking he's overrated and that his artwork can be repetitive and overly sentimental but I've never met anyone who outright disliked him.

Have some Nell Brinkley, it even kind of looks like shoujo.
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Just imagine Frozen anime by SHAFT.
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>>101556078
>SHAFT

This is a thread about animation
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>>101556078
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>>101555864
Why would we talk about a studio that hasn't made a decent show sense 06.
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>>101556116
SHAFT makes good animes.
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>>101556176
Animation is good but the show is suck
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Some good middle ground has been happening more recently. Especially compared to the early 2000s. A good mix between 2d and 3d makes the transition more acceptable I think. This is a pretty good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLXAB6q4oRI
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>>101556176
>Hyouka
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>>101543569
PaTF was fucking great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZAY-78zhmw
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>>101548295
Arpeggio look really good considering tv budget. You can't compare them to pixar or disney who throw money at it as much as they can. I will give you that Arpeggio didn't look great during character scenes, but it wasn't an eyesore which is big step forward for tv CGI.

>>101542490
western?
Because films in 3d look more mature and middle aged viewers don't feel so stupid for watching it. It's the way to escape film for kids stigma, even though this stigma never was true.
East?
I have no idea, mostly budget and beeing lazy. And in example of Arpeggio I doubt they could do so many action scenes with ships If they went 2d, so yeah... budget.
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>>101556194
I'm a little bit of a SHAFT fan boy but it pisses me off that this pic is trying to praise them for their story when SHAFT are just the animators.
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>>101552353
>Hercules
Nope dont thinks so
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>>101552756

Are you trying to say Family Guy has good animation?
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Nothing can be cheaper than anime though. They even outsource that shit to north koreans.
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>>101552792
Yeah, like MLP amirite?
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>>101556176
>>101556418

What the fuck is wrong with your spelling?
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>>101554740
>not Free!
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>>101556194
This thread is about animation. SHAFT is just a cheap hack with shitty animation. Also the Anime are generally bad overall. Fuck off delusional SHAFTfag.
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KyoAni can work on a fixed budget
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>>101556833
>We have more than 1 deigner
>But they all draw the same way

Is this what the pic trying to say?
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>>101556852
Have you even seen Birdy?
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>>101542490

I also think some artful rotoscoping makes 3d pretty viable. Compare this
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>>101556863
>SHAFT
>shitty animation
Get educated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8kIJbHANgs
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>>101556686
>Because films in 3d look more mature
>Because Chicken Little looks more mature than The Hunchback of Notre Dame
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>>101556964

I've seen some /co/tards say this a lot, but Birdy wasn't fucking flash. It was just drawn onto the computer using a tablet instead of using paper and scanning it, because they hired a lot of gif animators as keyframers.
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>>101556965
to its final product.
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>>101557069

That's what the audiences think.

>>101556863
>>101556194

Stop this braindead buzzword-using studio war bullshit.
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>>101557065
>muh powerpoint presentation
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>thread about 2D vs 3D turns into fucking studio wars
Come on guys. Why don't you all stop being faggots?
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>>101557119

still looks stiff as fuck
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>>101556965
>>101557119
I agree. I think CG can be fine depending on how it's done and where it's used. CG isn't bad it's just often badly used.
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>>101557343
My dick feels stiff as fuck.
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>>101554931
>>101543456

The very basic idea of paperman tech is that you make basic 3D animations, then draw over it, and then the tech can draw the inbetweens automatically. In normal 2D that's impossible because it can't imagine a three dimensional model from a bunch of flat lines, so attempts at inbetweens are awful (think of flash tweens where everything just squishes together when they move around). The other plus is that complicated things like clothes and hair that would be taxing on the computer would be easier for an artist to draw in instead.

But it's not some magic fix, it's still very expensive and time consuming, I can't imagine it being used widespread.
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Animating in 2D actually takes a considerable amount of skill. It's easier (Not easy, easiER) to animate in 3D, as your knowledge of anatomy, skill of art and the ability to see how seperate frames work totally dissapears.

3D is okay to watch, but I wan't it to stay in the west and just a teensy bit in Asia.
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>>101550420
kawaii as fuck
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Anime is a pulpy camp media that appeals to a nerdy niche. It can't afford to be expensive to make.
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>>101556584
Hyouka is boring shit
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>>101557517
>niche
What the fuck man, do you even know how popular anime is? But as almost no-one outisde Nippon pays for it, I get where you're comijng from.
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>>101557486
>png

what a fucking retard
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>>101557168
Typical SHAFTtard
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Frozen is the best anime I've seen in 2013.
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>>101557599
>jpg

What a fucking retard.

Was a 2.3MB picture to much for your dial-up?
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>>101548404
power of the social media age
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>>101557439
I think we'll find that Paperman is going to incorporate a lot of traditional 2d alongside the CG. They may very well just draw the hair on top.

It will be interesting to see how the technology develops.
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>>101556833
>cherrypicking.jpg
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Has no one seen the CGI opening for Armored Core V?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAXBfDzDHwE
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>>101557750
Your new is showing
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I tend to be more impressed by good 2D animation over anything in 3D, just because of my own biases. I guess Pixar and Disney make some good looking environments and stuff though.
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Cel-shaded CG > 2d
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9Cd4MKqHs
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>>101557664

Pixar's actually done some interesting work pertaining to making CG look 2D. Basically the same as the Vividred example above, except suckier (the UP clips burn my eyes).

http://vimeo.com/64407522
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This is pretty cool.
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>>101557571
No one wants to pay for mediocre writing and animation.

The reason Miyazaki sells in the west is because he's actually capable of making good stories and brilliant animations.
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>>101557450
>>101557814
This.

Also, that Katanagatari scene was just in the "preview" of some episode, who did they bother animating it so well? Did they put that much money into a ruse, or is this something that was scrapped for superior Nanami episode?
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still gonna wait for GGX3RD magic 3d to hit the anime industry
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>>101549011
The new CG mechs in Akito are so overdesigned and impractical. Sure shit was getting overpowered and impractical towards the end of R2, but for the most part the mechs still made sense aesthetically.
Now it's just "LETS THROW ABUNCH OF GOLD PLATING AND MEANINGLESS DECORATIONS ON OUR MECHS TO MAKE THEM LOOK AWESOME!"
"b-b-but, wait, what about the mech's weight? Why weigh it down with meaningless decoration? I mean one or two pieces sure, but all of this?"
"LOGIC?!?!?NOT IN MY ANIME!!!!!!"

ugh. kill me.
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>>101557856
The characters look completely awful.

>>101557909
I can see what they were going for and the tech is impressive, but that texture work is pretty ugly, and the final result feels extremely... flat? Like almost like flash tweening. Maybe I'm talking out of my ass.
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>>101556194
>"K-on" face is of a character from Tamako Market
>3 K-ons in example images
>3 images that don't even look near K-on's style
>Tamako Market

I am still confused how this shit works.
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>>101558100
>the characters look completely awful.

Base retard bro
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>>101557909
A little rough but still very visually interesting. What I've seen from this, Paperman and a few other similar experiments one of the biggest giveaways is how high the framerate appears. It might actually look closer to 2d if they removed some frames. I could be wrong of course, I'm not sure how this would affect motion blur.
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>>101557934

His stories aren't that good. And he sold in the west because of Disney's help.

>>101558003

It was obviously a ruse. The clip fight scene is so self-contained, where would that even take place in a real episode? With the budget the show had, that would be the entire fight as it is, so they wouldn't put the whole thing in the preview. It was a very good joke.
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>>101543742
You really didn't see that coming as soon as he was introduced? It was very well foreshadowed. But it's a Disney princess movie made for children. It's not supposed to have a super sophisticated plot. Frozen did what it wanted to do very well.
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>>101557934
>No one wants to pay for mediocre writing and animation.
Why are you even here then? Also Miyazaki's films aren't really that much better than a lot of anime. The reason Miyazaki sells in the west is because it's pretty calm and Disney publishes Ghibli stuff in the west.
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>>101558314
Please don't make this into a Myazaki discussion. It's the same as with K-On
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>>101543742
Dude, he was the one who the proposal to Anna

How could you not tell it was "fishy"
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>how come more studios are gradually switching to 3D CG?

CG's been used for years
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>>101558363
KyoAni*
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I can't stand CGI
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K-on graphically was shit.
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>>101546012
Eh, I didn't even think it was that good.

Just felt forced and done to have a "black princess". Had no heart put into it and was predictable as fuck.
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>>101557119
it's quite jarring when they's swtching between 2D and 3D.

But the small character shots are just another form of QUALITY
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>>101557486
Love the precure EDs, especially the DokiDoki ones
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>>101546232
lolwut plot, the CG was meh. but at least they nuked dubai.
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>>101548051

>giantpileofburningmoney.flv
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>>101558084

GGXRD has the most impressive CGI model I've ever seen.
I couldn't even tell that they were models until the camera started panning around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGPhKu3jNg
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>>101545300
What, Atlantis didn't do that already?
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But the artist for left pic isn't even Japanese. I thought you guys would be able to recognize a Korean artist when you see one
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Wait, there were lesbian undertones in Frozen?
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>>101560205
the climax was "only an act of tru luv" and they chose the wincest route instead of that-not-prince route
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>>101558092

Giant robots are always impractical. Neither CG nor Akito came up with that. The rest is opinion.



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