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Just how powerful is Araragi, /a/?
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Not very.
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can't even avoid getting bullied by a loli

I'd say he's like, .8 Shinobus, or approximately .3 Kiss-Shots
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His powerlevel is completely unimportant.
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He's only powerful in Kizu.
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I knew this was powerlevel bullshit

Avoiding it was the right thing to do
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>>101541583
Completely dependent upon Shinobu's. He has the potential of being the 2nd strongest being on Earth and the potential of being a notch more than human.
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>>101541783
Man, I still have to read that shit, given the fact it's pointless to wait for the movie.
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>>101541829
this
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>>101541583
Not powerful enough to protect this smile
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>>101543028
;____;
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>>101541583
Depends on your definition of power
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>>101543028
You anon are an ass.
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>>101543028
No one is powerful enough to protect her smile. Ougi's broken as fuck.
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>>101541893
it's really good but it doesn't really translate that well
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>>101543391
>Ougi's broken as fuck.
Seriously, fuck Ougi.
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Yami > Kisshot > Vamp Araragi > Snake God Nadeko > Occult Club > Shinobu > Hanekawa > Suruga > Araragi > Karen > Hitagi > Tsukihi > Mayoi
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>>101545174
You forgot ougi at the top. She could fuck all of them in the ass
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>>101545658
Did you not read the list?
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>>101541646
He varies between .1 and .3 Shinobus. Shinobu is about .2 kissshot acerolaorion heartunderblades.
So he's weak as shit.
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>>101541646
>>101546407
You guys are being pretty generous with the power levels relative to Kiss-Shot. You should really be using orders of magnitude.

Full power vamp Araragi might get to 1% of Kiss-Shot's power. The duel they had in Kizu was set up so she couldn't use anything close to her full power.

That said:
>Monogatari
>Power levels.
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>>101541583
No stronger than Touma.
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>>101543301
Wait, is that an Eva reference? Not the quote, obviously.
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Is Occult Club including Oshino?
Because Oshino literally took Kissshot's heart-yeah it took a lot of work for him, but if he worked together with Gaen, Kaiki, and the rest of the occult club they could probably manage something like that.
Also, I'm pretty sure Karen is stronger than Araragi and Tsukihi can't die so I don't know where she would go.
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>>101548245
I don't think Karen is. She's still just human. Them sparring doesn't mean shit - Araragi didn't do his vampire eye rage thing.
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At the very least, his taste isn't powerful enough to choose the best girl.
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>>101548325
>So many implications.
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>>101548299
Yeah sorry, I forgot that SHAFT took a lot of liberties with animating this whole series
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>>101541583
He's a faggot who doesn't deserve to kiss my feet
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>>101548325
I'm pretty sure Nisio's preferred method of inflicting suffering in the Monogatari series is to write an obvious best girl, make it incredibly obvious that she SHOULD win, and have her not win.
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So what is Ougi anyway
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>>101548994
Ghost cop.
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>>101548741
She's guaranteed to win eventually anyway when the other girls die.
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>>101549929
Call me greedy, but I want something that actually happens onscreen.
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>>101545174
> Hitagi > Tsukihi

Tsukihi can regenerate and all Hitagi had was weightlessness, how would she be more powerful?
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>>101546407
>>101541646
>Not reading kizu, making up bullshit
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>>101549929
>>101550103
Shinobu is going to die before the series is over. You guys are delusional if you think she's going to win anything. Even if she deserves it. [spoilers]She doesn't.[/spoiler:lit]
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>>101541583
>Trying to make sense of Nisio powerlevels
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>>101550898
Shinobu had deathflags but they pretty much disappeared once she started pursuing Araragi romantically. I'm pretty sure that was a major point in the new novel.
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>>101544381
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>>101545174
I think it's too early to put Kurayami in any power rankings. It's already demonstrated some potentially glaring weaknesses.
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>>101551045
Shinobu Mail only makes it seem more likely. She wanted to die in the first place. Araragi wanted her to find a reason to live, and now she has and it will be her undoing. It's pretty obvious at this point she's not going to be around for much longer.
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Hard to say because the only time he actually tried fighting back was against a specialist who deals with slaying immortals. However since his vampire powers scale off of Shinobu when she was kiss-shot and hes currently somewhere around 1/10th we can assume hes still somewhat ridiculous.
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>>101552420
>and now she has and it will be her undoing.
The undoing of her death flag certainly. The only way a previously suicidal character (especially one central to the story) accepting living is detrimental is in the context of Nisio trolling hard, but when Nisio is trolling hard just about anything goes anyway.

Deciding she wants to live doesn't mean her character is done. Her character actually needs to, y'know, live first.
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>>101552420
>Shinobu Mail only makes it seem more likely.
What happened?
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>>101552598
> 1/10th

I know they outright say this but after reading Kizu that seems like a load of shit.
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>>101552765
The fight with Kanbaru she was possessed by a devil which is fucking scarey, the Jagirinawa he couldn't attack or at least tried not to, black Hanekawa is op and counters Araragi who is a pseudo-vampire without a drain, Karen he wasn't attempting to win just keep her at bay and preferably drag her back, Kagenui specializes in killing creatures like him and hes just a watered down vampire, and kako who araragi basically shat on.
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>>101553028
1/10th of Kissshot or even Vamp Koyomi is still absurdly superhuman though, and Araragi never really displays feats of anything other than endurance and regeneration. Shinobu Time is a prime example, when not only his but also Hachikuji and Shinobu's lives are potentially at stake but he can only pedal his bicycle as quickly as possible and have Ononoki carry him with a jump. Kissshot on the other hand can leap goddamn continents like nothing. The numbers very obviously don't add up.
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>>101553280
I rationalize it by thinking maybe its distributed like a stat calculator in any generic rpg? He could have really good HP and SP but his strength and speed are only slightly better than the average human.
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>>101553028
Yeah but in Kizu he beat 3 vampire specialists through brute force with 0 experience simply through raw power, they specifically only fuck up vampires, hell he was turned by the Kaii Killer a specialist in fucking up other absurdly strong apparitions.

And so far all he has done is not died. Hell even when he powered up to fight Kagenui he got his shit absolutely pushed in.
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>>101553864
Yes but you have to realize, she is a specialist when it comes to slaying immortal creatures. Thats to say that even if Araragi were metaphorically a blazing inferno shes still a fire extinguisher. Believe me I've read Kizu and while I do agree with you that him scaling off Kiss-Shot is ridiculous you have to realize that at 1/10th his power he is still probably lesser than ANY full vampire. We can also assume that Kagenui can and probably has killed vampires on a regular basis.
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walk in see this, what do?
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>>101549929
Arararara is probably going to die before her.
Either that, or she's going to die.

They both have a lot of death flags on them.
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>>101541583
so powerful he can see why kids love cinamon toast crunch
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>>101554235
Nice muscles
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>>101554272
Dude everyone in the main cast thats still directly relevant to whats going on has deathflags. Even hitagi who should be safe since her writing was pretty much finished in hitagi end, still has a bunch of death flags.
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He could probably beat Kaiki's ass seeing as he gt done in by some kid with a bat.
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>>101554235
>rape
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>>101554144
I think her specializing in immortal creatures had little to do with her utterly beating the shit out of him. It has more to do with actually, y'know, killing immortal creatures.

Kagenui had no intention to kill Araragi, that's why she simply gave him a good old-fashioned beatdown instead of an exorcism.
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>>101554500
Most people could probably beat Kaiki's ass. Hes just really good at manipulating people and getting out of tight spots. The whole bit with the bee was just him fucking around, if something dangerous were to come at him out of the blue he'd be fucked. The reason hes so good at what he does is because he'd never let it happen.
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Fuck, this thread reminded me that I have to go to the bookstore tomorrow to pick up Owarimonogatari (δΈ­), I totally forgot about the release date.
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>>101554144
>you have to realize that at 1/10th his power he is still probably lesser than ANY full vampire
Lolno. Based on statements like this I can only guess you have never read Kizu. Dramaturgie was a bona-fide 100% Vamptire with specialization in vampire hunting and god-knows-how-many years in experience, and he was far weaker than Araragi who didn't even know how to fight. That's far greater than a 10x difference. Kissshot in her weakest form with her heart and all limbs gone was able to drag Araragi out of the goddamn son, which would vaporize a normal vampire instantly.
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So how the fuck do Oshino, Gaen, and Kagenui rape so hard if they're just humans?

is it because of DISBELIEF?
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>>101554939
How does Gaen know everything? There's obviously shenanigans involved.
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>>101554235
unzip and bend over
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>>101553028
>Karen he wasn't attempting to win just keep her at bay and preferably drag her back
He out right said that if he tried at all he would kill her. So it's safe to assume he's still way more powerful than a regular human.

>>101553864
>Hell even when he powered up to fight Kagenui he got his shit absolutely pushed in.
He didn't actually fight her, though. He justs let her kick his ass.
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>>101554875
Alright ya got me kinda, I read it like 3 years ago granted so I obviously forgot some parts because I got shitty retention. Still though obviously if Araragi scales off of Kiss-Shots power hes going to be stupidly op. Drama wasn't necessarily a normal vampire either so there is that too. What I was referring to as a vampire was like probably the most generic common place vampire that could exist in the given universe.
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>>101554990
>Mind read
>Clairvoyance
>Future sight
>She is author self insert.
>All of above
Take your pick
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>>101555103
>He didn't actually fight her, though. He justs let her kick his ass.

I'm watching the scene now to double check and he tries to fight but is literally helpless. Like he initiated the opening attack and from that moment onwards got his shit pushed in.
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>>101555267
Naturally he'll be OP, I was just pointing out that you were either dramatically underrating Araragi/Kissshot or overrating the common Vampire. Kissshot is/was a really, really big deal in the Supernatural world. Monogatari has really wonky power levels but it would not be a stretch to say that she was probably the strongest being in the Monogatariverse. (As far as raw power is concerned.) Naturally that would make Vamp Koyomi, her only living minion, the second strongest. That's not the kind of scale you can balance out by cutting it to only 1/10.
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>>101555384
I watched it ages ago when it first aired, but I am 99% certain at the end he said some shit along the lines of "I didn't actually fight because you're the first person to call me a human.."

Watch til the end, after the fight.
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>>101554939
Oshino works to balance things out. Humans aren't exactly under powered in this universe if they know what the fuck they're doing, it just so happens thats the case for most people. Kagenui is op for the same reason Oshino is except that she more actively acts on the offensive and seems to know more spells that can be directly used to manipulate the super natural.
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>>101555663
Araragi isn't serious against anybody, that doesn't really mean he's capable of winning if he got serious though.
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>>101555645
>overrating the common Vampire
Well I mean they refer to him in the same way they would a demon and Kanbaru's rainy devil which is a low level demon was pretty kick your fucking face in tough. I'd assume the average vampire is probably at the very least on par with that if not much tougher.
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>>101555796
I think it's more of a statement about his character than his power level. I mean sure he could probably kill Karen, but at the end of the day Karen is just a teenage girl. She isn't even physically capable of causing him lasting damage through his mild regenerative powers.
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>>101554235
Comment on his nice muscles and try to touch them
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Even though he's not that strong, his regeneration powers let him go through extreme beatdowns. Anyway, Araragi has other means of being powerful and he is one of the best MCs ever.
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>>101555881
I'm pretty sure "Oni-Oniichan" is just a clever nickname, not a power category. I don't even think Rainy Devil is the type of demon that would be called an Oni in the first place.
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>>101556009
Well I mean like legend wise isn't a vampire technically considered a human with the blood of a demon? Also I though oni was a generic term for like all creatures with a demonic presence or origin?
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>>101555796
We don't know if he'd get his ass kicked either, though. The only time we ever saw him fight seriously was in Kizu, and he was able to defeat three vampire specialists through his raw power alone.

Since becoming a pseudo-vampire, we really have no way of gauging his power. That said, I don't believe he's 1/10th of his power in Kizu.
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>>101541583

Not much really. He may have looked badass, but ironically, he did so well because he has the "kill oddities with a scratch" sword, and surprise attacked it from behind while Hanekawa tanked.

That is why she is the best, she actually fought her oddity, even when she wanted to talk it down and become one with it, and got burned all to hell and was in incredible pain. The anime really lowered the fact that she was really about to die from burns, but totally ignored it because she was happy to see Arararagi. No other girl does that.
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>>101556246

He almost got his ass beat by Episode-kun though. That was the only one of the three battles that actually seemed like a fight. And he got helped by Tsubasa to see through Episode's trick.
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>>101561936
He didn't fully understand his powers at the time. If he had more time to realize how magical vampire bullshit functions he would wipe the floor with him.
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>>101555103

Actually, he said before the toothbrushing scene, that he was foolish to ever believe that he could kill Karen easily if he fought her seriously, especially when she was that strong under a fever. He was actually scared shitless of her when she casually gut punched him when he refused to let her see Kanbaru.
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>>101562090

Point still stands though, Tsubasa was coaching him in other ways because he couldn't figure out things or use his imagination. Saying he could beat Episode after finding out the trick just points out his lack of ingenuity and imagination.

Only goes to show Oshino should have stopped being a biggity bitch and made Tsubasa an apprentice.
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>>101562256
Well if he would just ditch that slut and marry best girl then he could have that coaching all the time.
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>>101555959
>Araragi best MC
>Not Kaiki
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>>101547929
The quote is, the image not sure too.
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The fight with Episode was pretty good since it gave Araragi some trouble. But come on, you gotta admit Episode relied on cheap tactics to win. It wasn't even a conventional fight, just Episode running away the entire time and attacking from a distance whenever he got a chance. The second Araragi got his hands on Episode, it was all over.
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>>101563006

Wow, someone using tactics instead of letting themselves get beat on when he knows the opponent's regen and strength are better than his? Will wonders never cease.

Koyomi is just lucky he had a bro in Hanekawa.
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>>101563138
I'm merely mentioning this to the person who said Araragi nearly got his ass beat by Episode, but they neglected to mention any context for the fight.

>Koyomi is just lucky he had a bro in Hanekawa.
Best girl in my opinion. He should've taken her offer at the end when he had the chance.
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>>101563914
Hanekawa tit's are huge, what's the point of wearing a top that emphasizes them more
Only flat chests should wear that
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>>101564325
Because Hanekawa knows, tits are life and ass is hometown.
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>>101541583
He's a total loser.
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>>101563914
too bad she is the most boring monogatari by large
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Finally just finished the latest episode.
Is Kaiki dead?
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>>101541583
Nobody but underageb& retards give a shit about powerlevel faggotry.
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>>101564688
3 damn arcs in the anime and they are all the same recycled shit

I fell asleep every time
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I just want one fight with Oshino, Kaiki, and Kagenui fighting together
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>>101564578
Cringeworthy scene, that was really pathetic. Dropped the whole franchise short after.
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SSS+ Iihiko Shishime, Najimi Ajimu
SSS Medaka Kurokami(Altered God Mode), Misogi Kumagawa(All Fiction+ Bookmaker)
SS+ Kiss-shot, Gagamaru Chougasaki, Fukurou Tsurubami, Kakegae Yuzuriha, Namanie Nienami
SS Zenkichi Hitoyoshi(Paradox)
S+ Koyomi Araragi(Vampire)
S Nanami Yasuri(Akutou)
S- Nadeko Sengoku, Nanami Yasuri

AA Yozuru Kagenui
A+ Episode
A Shichika Yasuri("Complete")
A- Koyomi Araragi(Nise end), Yotsugi Ononoki, Dramaturgie, Shichika Yasuri, Zenkichi Hitoyoshi(Altered God Mode)

BB Black Hanekawa, Sorakara Kuu(Magical Girl)
B+ Suruga Kanbaru(Monkey)
B- Zenkichi Hitoyoshi

C+ Deishuu Kaiki
C Hitagi Senjougahara
C- Karen Araragi, Sorakara Kuu(Grotesque)

D+ Sorakara Kuu, Kokera Kakizaki,
D Suruga Kanbaru, Koyomi Araragi, Nonsense Bearer, Kizutaka Kugi
D- Saitou Takashi
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>>101566440
What am I looking at here?
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>>101567801
What do you think this whole thread's about?
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>>101552420
>Araragi wanted her to find a reason to live, and now she has and it will be her undoing.

this is literally the biggest deathflag ever. one of the golden rules. if you want to live you will die.

this rule even applies to authors. if you know what i mean.
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>>101562386
>Kaiki tells the story
>he says he died to a fucking kid
>he actually lied
>implying he didnt lie about even more things

i didnt read the LN but is it confirmed that he is actually a good guy in disguise with just realy shitty ways to deal with stuff?

even if he's good, forcing the family of the person he likes into divorce and turn her into a emotionless bitch dosn't make him a good character.
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>>101541811
It is also a harem - good choice.



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