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>Tsundere love interest that abuses the shit out of the MC

Do japs really find this funny?
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No, it allows the neckbeard otaku to self insert because it gives them a sliver of hope that all the girls that threat time like this in real life actually try to show their affection.
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Nips like when tsuntsun turns into deredere
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Louise is best girl of all girls.
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>>101530795
Japanese humor is all slap stick, scatalogical, penises, or puns.
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Taiga >>> Louise >>>>>>>>>> Shana
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Japanese men are pathetic so when their women are rightfully awful to them they try and delude themselves into believing it's affection.
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>>101530795
No, they find it attractive which is even worse.
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>>101531152
>and american humor isn't
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>>101531057
>speaking from experience
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this manga flips this shitty trope right on its head
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Tsundere is dead and over. Why even create this thread?
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>>101531152
At least Japs variety shows are creative, and they can talk about sex and political satire with impunity

if you look at chinese standup (xiangsheng?) it's all family safe skits and cheesy puns
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No, it arouses them, and it also arouses me.
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>>101531419
Your arousal arouses me.
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I instantly drop any series with a tsundere. 98% of them are shit.
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isn't the chest thing true for most asian women though?
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>>101531388
Tsundere can be fun again, just have a main character who isn't weak and takes any of the tsundere's girl's shit.

Instead make him win the girl over by dominating and embarrasing her, making her realize her place.

Slap her in the face when she says "i-it's not like I like you or anything"
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>>101531471
Your arousal at his arousal, arouses me.
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Shana a shit
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Remember when tsunderes were done in moderation

and the tsuntsun balanced out the deredere?
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>>101531505
Call me when you find a series with one
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>>101531590
It's called classic tsundere, and they're much better than these modern shits.
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Tsunderes wouldn't be so bad if they were more balanced. They are all 90% tsun and 10% dere now.
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>>101531590
Those were good times.
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>>101531590
i remember when nobody gave a fuck about tsundere its like a new anime hipster term that blew the fuck up last year and the over use of it is just fucking gay
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>>101531590
Except she was one of the worst.
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>>101530795
>Louise
Justified.
>Shana
What abuse?
>Taiga
She's a bitch, I agree.
But a cute one. Would put up with.
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>>101531770
>its like a new anime hipster term that blew the fuck up last year
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>Shana
>abusive
What.
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>>101531802
you take it back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-2dxZ4vWyg
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>>101531770
Shut the fuck up little bitch boy.
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>>101530795
I saw you make that post, faggot
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Marry Louise so I can fuck her all day every day.

Fuck Taiga

Have Shana train me and fight with her no one dies and its fun

Best way of dealing with this
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>>101530795

I find it both funny and arousing.
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>>101531873
awwww did i hurt your little feelings, id be pretty pissed to be an anime hipster thats like the worst kind of hipster
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why are there no tsundere footdom anime
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>>101530795

Hmmm.
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japanese men are all shinjis and wish to be controlled by their wives

patriarchcal society my ass
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>>101532038
Darth Yuji did nothing wrong.
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>>101530795
Taiga isn't tsundere...she's just a straight forward bitch that's her personality.
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>>101531770
>its like a new anime hipster term that blew the fuck up last year

You don't know shit about anime.
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>>101532038
>Apperance

You crack me up.
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>>101531993
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>>101532112
Completely wrong. And how would you explaining her holding back for her best friend despite developing feelings for Ryuuji?
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>>101532170
>hurr durr best girl won
its this board that doesn't know shit
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>>101532231
you have seen only 20 anime
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>>101532038

>turned into Darth Vader

I should really watch Shana S3 one of these days. The anime just reeks of unfulfilled potential and J.C. Staff incompetence though.
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That feel when your waifu is tsundere so she hits you and calls you an idiot. But, she isn't strong enough to physically harm you and you think it's cute so you kiss her to make her stop. She blushes, obviously swayed by your sudden sign of affection amidst her battering of your body and after a few mere seconds she kisses you back in return. You remain like this for at least 10 seconds uninterrupted and then you slowly pull away from each other. She stares into your eyes, and you are already doing the same with a horribly goofy smile that sends her heart pounding at a much faster rate than normal. Her face goes cherry red once again, and she punches you to cover up her embarrassment. She calls you an idiot afterwards. You only stare at her for a few seconds, saying nothing. She asks you why you're staring, acting as though she doesn't care. Again with your goofy smile you just laugh at how horribly cute she is while flustered. And she starts to hit you and call you an idiot again.
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Why wasn't Toradora called Tora no Dora?

It doesn't fit with the other series names.
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>>101532273
Season 1 was great
Season 2 had a shitty first half and a great second half they also play the OP during the finishing moments of the big fight, this redeemed the whole season
Season 3 was just fucking amazing as long as you're not a retard and can do some thinking.
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>>101532273
S3 was a lot of fun. It kind of fell apart a bit when the mystery mobile showed up near the end, and the beginning would have been confusing without knowing from LNfags what was actually going on (which was a porblem with S2, not S3), but it was definitely the most enjoyable season overall.
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Tsundere is only good when they're not abusive bitches who beat the MC for no reason.
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>>101532272
yep exactly 20, because i definitely only watched 20 across 9 years.
Ill level with you though, your probably very new to this board and probably havent seen what it once was, now its literally tsundere everything and best girl competitions /a/ is now neckbe/a/rds
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>>101532038
Actually the whole entire point of Toradora was that love is some big thing we can't really see. (hint hint the first episode and last episode)

Adoration is a part of growing up. What Ryuji and Taiga had for each other was actual real love but they had been adoring Minori and Kitamura. The show isn't about seeing about what's in front of you because if it was Ryuji would have just fucked Ami and called it a day. It was about stupid kids being stupid, and realizing that's okay because it's part of growing up.
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>>101532038
>appearance French
What?
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>>101532410
Fix your fucking grammar.
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>>101532471
You know, french people have pink hair and shit
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Minori>Taiga>Ami
Shana>who?
Belldandy>Pink bitch> Useless Elf >Blue robot> Cock blocking maid>NTR Queen
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>>101532273
You should. S3 is the best season, and it's actually mostly decent. It's worth it to see Shana's development come to a full circle and Yuuji being badass.
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>>101532273
Shana S3 is actually the only reason I would even recommend Shana to anybody. maybe the first few eps of season 1 too. You're missing out
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>>101532509
>Belldandy
Who?

Also, Shana had Yoshida, who wanted MCs cock for no reason and her whole appeal was cooking and living in the city.
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>>101532410
Please leave
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>>101532493
sorry got alot on my screens right now and really dont give a shit bout you hipsters
>im so tsundere
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>>101532534
S2 second half was great.
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>>101532509
Taiga > Ami > Minori
Shana > what'shername
Louise > Cool Elf > Rei clone > Meido > Elf Cow > Queen
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>>101532649
This is best taste list so far

whatshername is Yoshida
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>>101532106
actually...you're right. He really didn't.
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>>101531817
>Louise
>Justified.

How so? She blows up Saito whenever she feels like it.
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Did Margery ever go to Xanadu?
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>>101532739
Well he should start blowing the other bitches off instead of cheating on her all the time?
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>>101532739
He was a manwhore in the anime

I love you Luoise
But yeah those elf tits were great, let me kiss her just cuz
I want to marry you
Oh hey there's the princess lets kiss her
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>>101530795
I know this is a troll chart, but I want to point out anyways that Shana doesn't have a flat complex.
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>>101532038
>Appearance: french
Last time I was there I didn't see that many chicks with capes and pink hair
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>>101530795
>Boyfriend: Japanese schoolboy
What would you expect? Fat faceless men?
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>>101532775
idk bout the manga but I'm pretty sure no
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>>101532832
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>>101532861
Would be an improvement, least they know how to treat a lady
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>>101531388
>Tsundere
>Dead
Certainly not that anon. Quality aside, it's still the most popular archetype in Japan. Besides maybe loli.
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>>101532832
>>101532816
You're right. I was unclear.
Sometimes there were times that he was with other girls (whether or not that deserves explosions is another debate, but it's an anime).

There were a lot of times that he didn't really do anything wrong and she blew him up anyway.
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>>101532576
Bell dandy was Guiche's familiar. Dragon girl was great too. The Yoshida thing was intentional tought.
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>>101531388
Have you been living under a rock for the past couple of years? It's still alive and well. Strong still.
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>>101531388
Is still going, but the loli tsun with the Rye is dead.
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This thread is making me want to go re-watch ZnT. Better yet, re-read the LN.
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>>101531600
Kaze no Stigma springs to mind, although it's not quiet 'slap her in the face'
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>>101532649
Mah niggah
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>>101533081
>re-read the LN
Was the author that "i want to live" guy?
;_;
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>>101533081
If there was one LN I wanted to end without the author dying, it was ZnT. ;_;

Did the author leave any notes behind with some sort of ending?
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>>101532739
When you are openly groping and hitting on all the girls around you, it's justified.
Especially after you confess your love and share a kiss.
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>>101532213
Are you fucking dumb? She straight forward in actions but also fucking stubborn as fuck.

Rewatch the series and you'll see it's not her being Tsundere it's her not understanding her feelings. When Ryuji said during the pool arc that even if she loses he'll make her food for all the days he's gone implying that's the only reason she spends time with him. Taiga flips her shit because her body and heart know it's more than that. ESPECIALLY THE SAME ARC WHERE SHE DECLARES HIM HER'S AND ONLY HER'S. The confession wasn't for the audience it was for the characters they all saw the heart felt moment and understood what would develop in the coming days. That's seriously a BIG part in why Minori herself didn't act on her feelings for Ryuji.

Anyways skip forward to the Christmas arc where Ryuji does kawaii Santa but when she finds out it's him she kicks him out to go to confess to Minori. AS SOON AS SHE CLOSES THE DOOR SHE STARTS CRYING, why? Because again her heart and body knew she loved Ryuji but her mind hadn't fully grasped it. She wasn't "holding back" she didn't even understand until it was too late when she had literally told both people to go out with each other. How much of an asshole would she look like?

She's not tsundere she's just a kid who doesn't fully understand what love is. *cough* first and last episode
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>>101532709
>>101533093
Just a heads up, by Cool Elf, I meant this girl. I really like her, wished she was introduced sooner.
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>>101533167
Sometimes Louise blew up Saito because of her actions that provoked him. Sure, she may have been embarrassed, but exposions...
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>>101532038
>Appearance : French
But she looks like a slu- Oh, wait, no, nothing, you're right.
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>>101532112

She's Tsundere. More the classic kind of Tsundere than the modern kind. She starts off disliking Ryuuji like she dislikes everyone that's not Kitamura and Minorin, but she grows to like him eventually.

The modern kind of Tsundere is pretty terrible, what with the whole loving the guy but denying it constantly, it only serves to keep status quo, which shitty writers do when they want to stall for ideas. Only time Taiga does that is when she wants Ryuuji and Minori to go out.
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>>101532957
>bell Dandy

I fucking thought it was verdandi
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>>101533346
I have seen the name translated both ways, sorry if I mistook it.
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>>101533297
I don't think you understand what tsundere is, dude.
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>>101533301
Rarely.
And the explosions were more comical relief than real abuse.
The whippings were more serious.
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>>101533444
>The whippings were more serious.
Okay. Those were too much, then.
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>>101533126
>I really want to live.

Yeah. I'm still sad and mad.
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>>101532957
Wait, my memory of S4 is a bit hazy, but did that mole thing really turn into a girl like Rei's dragon?
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>>101533299
It's ok for me, mah niggah
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>>101532390
Move everybody except Kirino up.
Nobody deserves to be in the same tier as her.
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>>101533304
>wall level 90
>No dual shield barge tactics
Come back later.
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>>101533443
Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing his or her warm side over time.

Taiga shows her kind side to Ryuji pretty early on.

Thanking him for staying up all night to fix her swim suit.
Confiding in him to help with her relationship issues.
Promising to help him with his issues.
Even after she confesses to Kitamura and he declines she accepts Ryuji as a friend instantly.

Idk man it seems to me you're just retarded.
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>>101531590

I couldn't stand Akane's interactions with Ranma, they treated eschoither downright awful 80% of the time.
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>>101533591
Have you read the LN or seen both seasons of Oreimo? I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't rank her high, even top tier after reading/watching it all. Hate it or love her, you can't deny how beautiful her love is.
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>>101533299
Were there any other elfs?
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>>101533510
fuck not again
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>>101533762
>beautiful
>love for the generic male self-insert harem MC
Yes. Quite.
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>>101533721
>Wikipedia

Being relatively nice/able to act natural without reservation around Ryuuji doesn't mean she made her feelings clear and can spit it out. For most of the earlier episodes until the Xmas arc, she was conflicted about her feelings, and her actions (mood and anger) contradicts the feelings of affection for Ryuuji. All this makes her tsundere, as anyone can easily see from the perspective of the audience (us).
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>>101532649
I really like Siesta season 1, but then there was that change and the Siesta I knew was gone.
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>>101532853

Motomu Toriyama disagrees
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>>101533822
That big boobed one.
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>>101532390

Zappy Dan the Magnet Man isn't that bad, she can be cocky and violent to people other than MC, and she actually never manages to harm him.
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>>101534171
How you think of Kyousuke is irrelevant, what matters are the reasons and quality behind her love and also the hardship it took to get there.
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>>101534236
STOP
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>>101533762

Has to be bait.
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>>101534373
Nope.
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>>101534302
So much for so little.
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nigger it's not supposed to be funny it's supposed to be cute
ever heard of gap moe? the concept is to make the girl mean and unlikable so that when she shows her loving side she becomes 10x cuter by contrast
that is the appeal of the tsundere, sorry if your plebian simpleton mind cannot fathom it
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>>101533762
>Have you read the LN or seen both seasons of Oreimo?
>anime pictures
>expecting me referring to the LNs
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Fools.
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>>101532649
>Taiga before Minori
no
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>>101534595
Cross out Louise and you got a good list.
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>>101534595
Nope. See >>101532390
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>>101532649
What about Brown-Tits?
Was pretty good as well.
Although she gave up on the D pretty early.
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>>101534684
That one's shit though.
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>>101534702
She starts lusting after the bald teacher.
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>>101534302
>the hardship it took to get there
Bullshit, it was never a hard task, it was Kirino who made everything complicated.

She could have talked to her brother like a proper human being but nope, let's beat him and abuse him like a fucking dog.
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>>101534684
No.
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>>101534758
>>101534795
Plebs.
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>>101534702
That's because she was the only one to respect Louise's feelings.

All the other girls were whores.
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>>101534850
Mad worst girl lover detected.
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>>101534208
I dunno because of the after the Culture festival arc when everyone tries to touch her she's really violent. I would argue that it's her personality and not entirely a troupe.

I would agree to disagree at this point man.
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>>101534789
Are you serious? She didn't like in at the start. It took many counseling, slowly turning Kyousuke into a sorta otaku who plays sis-con eroges, giving in to Kirino, helping her despite all her abuse/tsun, and butting heads with Ruri, and bunch of other shit to get to where they got.
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>>101534595

Chris isn't tsundere at all. She might look like one but that's about it. She's just a bit bossy.
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>>101535012
She's one of the most popular tsundere in recent years. Don't be fooled by her meta knowledge about the tsundere archetype. She acts like one even if she doesn't intend to.
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>>101534921
Tsundere shit eater detected.
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>>101535008
didn't like him at the start*
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>>101535202
He's right though. Most of those girls are the best in their series. I think it's you who has the taste problem here.
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>>101534595
Best tsundere.
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We need a chart for male tsunderes.
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>>101535303
Only the top girls are the best, the bottom six are definitely the worst.
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>>101535774
You're wrong. It's clear as day you say that only because of your transparent dislike for tsundere with lots of tsun. Character and personality don't seem to matter for you.
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>>101536060
Enjoyment and good interactions are what matter for me, and bitches abusing poor MCs for stupid reasons is not enjoyable nor a good interaction.
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>>101531057

/thread
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>>101530795
yes

their target is teenagers

older people generally stop watching anime, or at least move on to different shows after realising that most of the characters are carbon copies of one another

the real question is why you're still watching these shows, and if you aren't, why you care what's in them?
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>>101536149
Projecting onto the MC much? And what a load of crap. A girl like Rin has the best interaction with Shirou. She's the most fun, entertaining, likable, interesting, and insanely cute when she shows dere.
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>>101536408
Rin is a fucking bitch. Like the rest. She's only popular because babby's first VN sex scenes.
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>>101536572
She isn't even close to being a real bitch. But anyhow, you're only proving my point about you.
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>>101530795
Yes. And so do I. Tsundere girls are cute. The only gf I had was pretty tsundere.
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>>101536788
Yes she is. There was nothing enjoyable about her interactions with Shirou from her part, Shirou's denseness is what made them tolerable.
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>>101536952

Words of eternal wisdom.
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>>101534171
>harem
Stopped reading right there. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>101533154
The anime.
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>>101532390
But that's wrong, anon.

Also, I don't recall Tohsaka ever hurting a person she didn't intend to kill. When she started flinging spells at Shirou, those were supposed to either end his life or scare him into giving up his participation the war. Hell, she had even set up the attack so Shirou might fall into a trap that would force him out of the war with no bloodshed.
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>>101532439
>because if it was Ryuuji would have just fucked Ami and called it a day

I don't know why, but the image that conjures is just really funny to me.
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>there are people on this thread RIGHT NOW that do not know that tsundere is best
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>>101538144
They're heathens and plebeians.
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>>101538144
They just don't understand, anon. It's okay though. We always get best girl.
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>>101531869
Are you telling me I should ignore how it ended?
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>>101538144
>>101538486
>samefag
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>>101532390
Hinagiku is quite fond of beatings, you should kill yourself right now.
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>>101538657
You wish, heathen plebeian.
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>>101532471
People there seem to be French.
It's possible that long ago their ancestors were pulled up there from Earth, like Saito.
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>>101532390
>Kaname Chidori
>good tsundere
She's only good once she STOPS being tsundere, ie basically once she's written out of the plot
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>>101538144
Tsundere will always the largest and strongest dere religion with the most followers.
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>>101538657
Nope!
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>>101539109
Fumoffu is an exception right?
I mean the tsun stuff made sense since despite loving him, he's still an uncultured idiot.
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>>101539301
Nobody is, strictly speaking, "in character" in Fumoffu, which is OK because its a non-canon gag series.
It was GOOD, but its not really relevant here.
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>>101532498
Why did I never see this before?
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Are you talking shit aobut Louise, faggot?
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>>101530795
>can't into masochism
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Tsundere a shit
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>>101540037
Falsehood.
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>>101540037
Say that to my face, worthless existence.
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>>101540510
Tsundere a SHIT
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>>101540626
You see, now that's just a mean lie to make.
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>>101540626
>being a faggot with shit taste
Sorry you're shit girl always lost and always will.
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>>101531057
Self-insert as the guy ?
people do that ?
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>>101531544
all this talk about arousal is starting to arouse me.
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>>101536327
Seconded
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>>101532038
>turns into Darth Vader
lost it
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>>101532390
What girl is that Top Mid?
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>>101541134
Tsundere #3583
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>>101541134
A certain pink haired whore
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>>101535377
Oldest tsundere?
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>>101534595
>Have Rin but no superior Akiha

Best fix that.
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>>101532390
A good tsundere should not be able to be indentified as such in the first 10 minutes after she appears.
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>>101541834
Literally no one ever.
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>>101541834
That doesn't exist, yet good tsundere does. So your logic is flawed.
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>>101541834
Archetypes are archetypes for a reason. They're supposed to be identifiable, idiot.
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>>101542144
And that's his point. A character that isn't written under the horrid tsundere archetype can be good.
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>>101542814
Says you and your bullshit.

List some characters that cannot possibly fall under ANY archetypes. You can't.
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>>101532112
I agree with this. At the very least, she's different than the other tsundere types...
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>>101542963
She's different from most, but she's still a tsundere.
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>>101542953
She's tsundere but actually funny and interesting.
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Thank god Tsunderieshit is almost dead.
Now we have to get rid of the rest of JC Staff tsunderes and the archetype will be cured of cancer.
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>>101543057
>A character that isn't written under the horrid tsundere archetype can be good.
>List some characters that cannot possibly fall under ANY archetypes
>She's tsundere

You have gone full retard.
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>>101543167
It'll never die and people will always seek them. Your years will be very delicious to taste when you cry at that fact.
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>>101543258
>year
>tears
Muh goof.
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>>101543187
She's such a good tsundere that they should have to create another archetype only for her, different from the typical shit tsundere girls.
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Kamidere > Dorodere = Tsunshun > Tsundere = Ojoudere > Kuudere = Darudere = Kiredere = Tsundora > Teredere = Bokukkodere > Yandere = Dandere = Bakadere > Goudere > Yangire > Hajidere
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>>101543057
>name a character that doesn't fit into any character archetypes
>tsundere
>>101543167
Bakana, The best Dere will never die!
We will persevere, baka inu!
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>>101543363
Not really. Blue Junk is at the same level as tsunderes like Houki and Sera. She's shit.
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>>101543363
It's like a negative version of the Scotsman fallacy with you.
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>>101543167
>Thank god Tsunderieshit is almost dead.
Except it isn't and you're being delusional.
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>>101543167
In your dreams, faggot. Three down and two to go still. Won't be done until HnG ends and until there's at least two seasons of MASTERPIECE.
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>>101543397
You're just making up words
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>>101532942
That was in the beginning since she didn't see him as her equal, but rather as her familiar, servant since she's been waited on hand and foot herself her entire life.

After she fell in love with him she only really yelled at him because he was being a terrible manslut.

Like, he gets an estate, asks his wifey to move in with him and cheats on her, constantly. Then when she catches him cheating on her with her best friend he lets her run away instead of him running after her. Then she has to run back to him, because some other bitch threatened to take him.

Saito was like the worst fucking boyfriend ever.
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>>101543501
>mature and delicious tsundere
>not flat
>bitchy but lovable
Are you a fag?
Though that's a given when you like midgets with the body of a boy.
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>>101543842
I don't think there is anything with a realistic chance of an S2 in the near future I am actually more looking forward to anymore.
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westerners have this belief that anime is made for them, and should therefore cater directly to their tastes

westerners should shut the fuck up
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It's just a thing nips like, OP. Japanese men are actually more submissive than American men. That's why tsun-tsuns almost always win in every harem.
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>>101544097
>Blue
>mature
I chuckled. Hard.

I love both loli and non-loli tsundere. Appearance don't matter so much to me, what counts is their personality, traits, and relationship/interaction with the MC. Junko is too much like Houki, so she's not a good tsundere.

I see you're a normalfag. It's time for you to get the fuck off /a/.
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>>101544379
>I love both loli and non-loli tsundere.
Bullshit, otherwise you wouldn't be bashing every tsundere that's not a flat loli like Houki and Blue.
You're just a hopeless lolifag.
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Shit > Taiga = Louise > Shana > Nagi = Aria
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>>101544438
Paranoid much? Not liking Blue, Houki, and Sera doesn't equal hate for all non-loli tsundere. Otherwise, I wouldn't love Rin, Eri, Haqua, Kurisu, Haruhi, Moka, Kyou, Akiha, etc.
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>>101541134
>>101532390
How can you not recognize Hinagiku?
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>>101544609
We baito now
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>>101544289
Also, tsundere loves the protagonist the most.

It is a proven fact.
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Type B Tsundere are best Tsundere.

This is objective truth.
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>>101544724
But anon, 'type B tsundere' is a classification invented by TV Tropes.

Is there something you aren't telling us?
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Toradora's author learned from her mistake and wrote a better heroine for Golden Time.
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>>101544712
True unless there's a bro-con imouto or a selfless true girl heroine around.

Tsunderes often are the purest too.
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>>101545031
Kouko a shit.
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>>101545139
Lindafag pls. Your girl is an irredeemable bitch, deal with it.
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>>101545031
Taiga was already perfect. You can't improve what's already perfect.
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>>101545222
You can always improve anything. More so if it is your own work.
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>>101545205
Linda being a bitch does not make Kouko less an annoying cunt.
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>>101545222
>you can't improve on a generic tsundere
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>>101545284
>Not liking her interactions with TADA BANRI
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>>101545375
Characters you don't like != generic.
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Tsundere isn't dead, but I think the Kugyuu era is over. I was really hoping for one last thing like Seirei Tsukai or Ryuu Kishi.
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>>101545375
Go back to tumblr, faggot.
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>>101545375
Fuck you
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>>101542953
>>101542814
>>101542144
A character not falling under an archetype means they don't have ANY personality features, which is impossible. What people are saying is that you need to make the character interesting beyond that main archetype. Don't just make a tsundere. Make her have odd personality quirks, mannerisms, etc.
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>>101545478
HnA S2 might happen. There's supposed to be upcoming news that's big for HnA. it could be just that.
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>>101545478
Thank god. The old hag needs to kill herself.
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>>101545642
>Caring about real VAs past their voice
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>>101545642
>Hating teh Rie. I think you need to kill yourself.
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>>101545458
>"tsun" consisting of constant verbal and physical abuse of MC
>ridiculous physical strength despite being tiny
>major insecurity complex
>bitchiness is ok because buried childhood issues
>shows all of 10 minutes of dere side until last 2 episodes
>some attracts MC despite being a bitch to him

Remind me how Taiga isn't a generic late-2000s tsundere again?
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>>101545284
>Kouko
>cunt
Fuck off.
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>>101545458
>>101545489
>>101545510
Baww did I insult your precious waifu?
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>>101545815
Not one of the people you're replying to, but yes.

Indirectly. Taiga isn't my waifu, more of a daughteru, but still. My waifu is also tsundere.
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>>101545693
Shows dere all of ten minutes in the last few episodes? She shows plenty of dere throughout the series.

Also, the puny powerhouse thing is really more tsunRie, not tsundere in general.
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>>101545637
Neat, ZnT with guns S2 should be fun.
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>>101545693
>MFW I'm taking this bait.

Whatever, you're trying way too hard.

Any tsundere dishes out either physical or verbal abuse. Having them don't make them generic. Since when is abnormal strength a factor in a design tsundere? Tsundere in general have some kind of complex or issues, it's normally used as reasonable/logical qualifier for their behavior/personality, and that usually goes away/gets overcome after character development. Tsundere are designed with the intention to be lovable/endearing. Getting past their tsun means making them deredere. It's a challenge you take and come to treasure after completing it. Taiga went deredere after the Christmas arc. Even before that, she shown plenty of dere. That's way more than 10 mins. Ryuuji is a better man than someone petty and anal like you. He falls in love with Taiga because Taiga is a treasure, something the world can't see, but he can because the time he spent with her allows him to see aside of Taiga that no one else sees. It's an attraction of a fierce tiger that's sweet, caring, adorable, and actually fragile girl he sees.

Moreover, Taiga's trigger for her tsun is quite unique compared to other tsunders. She's doesn't dislike or is mad at Ryuuj when she is tsuntsun, but it's because she doesn't want people getting too close to her due being hurt by her father in the past. She acts mean and combative for that reason, to protect herself. Ryuuji is the sole person to be able to break past her defense by spending intimate time, lots of effort, and hardship/pain to see who she truly is.
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>>101534281
She is bad because her interest is absolutely one-sided, and so her abuse comes off as self-entitled and resembling of a creepy stalker. At least with other tsunderes you can see the MC acknowledging them as a girl and something comes out of it as time goes by between them as they grow closer, but Touma just wants to avoid her altogether while she forces herself onto him, and the direction of the story will not let this change, ever. This makes for a terrible dynamic.
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>>101547613
Not that anon, but I strongly disagree.
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>>101546672
tl;dr
She's generic but I love her so she's not.
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>>101546672
Anon I love Kugyuu, but I couldn't find anything I liked about Taiga besides her voice and even that is an acquired taste. Taiga did nothing to earn that affection. If anything he just felt guilty and obligated to take care of her. It was practically babysitting.
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>>101546672
>Moreover, Taiga's trigger for her tsun is quite unique compared to other tsunders. She's doesn't dislike or is mad at Ryuuj when she is tsuntsun, but it's because she doesn't want people getting too close to her due being hurt by her father in the past. She acts mean and combative for that reason, to protect herself.
Not unique at all. Tsunderes never dislike MC, the tsun is always just a cover for their attraction. The whole "she's distance because of [dark event in her past]" is frequent of tsundere girls as well.

>It's an attraction of a fierce tiger that's sweet, caring, adorable, and actually fragile girl he sees.
Waifu detected
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>>101547760
Really? I honestly can't see how a tsundere stuck in a story with zero romace can be good as one. A big part of their appeal is see how the tsundere and her love interest have mutual chemistry and help each other develop and progress.

But when it is 100% one-sided with no chances in hell of being reciprocated? Only the girl develops her stance towards him, nothing special happens between them, she's just there to get jealous and show him how mad she is for seeing him hanging out with other girls while not expressing or even giving a hint of how the fuck she feels about him. Keeping the status quo. It becomes more stale and not interesting with every appearance she makes.
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>>101548107
But she's never tsun to Kitamura, and when she's around Ryuuji, it's more general circumstance that activates the tsuntsun.
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>>101548316
This is the biggest flaw of her entire character. The whole supposed reason for her tsun is that she had a shitty life at home and didn't want to get involved with anyone, yet was infatuated with Kitamura after she turned him down for some reason.
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Tsundere's need some proper romance to balance out their violent defensive sides

what are some good examples, chidori from fmp?
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>>101548608
Katerose from LoGH
Ayano from KnS
Asuna from SAO
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>>101547817
>tl;dr
Every argument ever.

>>101547941
Just her voice? Seriously? Not even her cuteness, lovableness, and her sweetness underneath her abrasive exterior? How did you feel nothing after Taiga and Ryuuji finally let their feelings out?
>nothing
>guilty and obligated
Wrong on both. Taiga and Ryuuji worked together to help each other out with the person they (initially) liked. The real matter is the time spent together that helped changed and improved each other's character. Both Taiga and Ryuuji came out different than how they started. That was possible only because Taiga influenced Ryuuji with the side she doesn't show to anyone else and Ryuuji influenced Taiga by caring for her and give her strength to face what she hides from.

>>101548107
>>101548424
Not true at all. A tsundere character can dislike their target of affection. Classic tsundere are like that. Progression is needed for them to move from /dislike/disgust to tsun then to dere.

Taiga dislike Ryuuji early on, but got over that quickly. This isn't a major focus of her character, so it's not a significance of her tsundere design.

But the fact Taiga liked someone else and her tsun towards Ryuuji isn't technically the same kind most other tsundere would have is what makes her different than most others. Her tsun trigger is basically to to protect herself since she doesn't want strangers/people she don't really trust to hurt her like her father did.

>didn't want to get involved with anyone, yet was infatuated with Kitamura after she turned him down for some reason.
Really now? It's called having feelings If she an open up to Minori, acting different from how she acts with others, then there's nothing strange in being be infatuated with Kitamura if her heart can allow and accept him. He confessed to her a year ago and Taiga had that much time to sort her own feelings regarding his feelings, and come to realize she likes him.

>Waifu
Pls. I have a harem, not a single waifu.
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>>101540626
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Taiga a poop.
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>>101550020
Louise a poop.
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>>101550020
>>101550234
Baiting an obvious.
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>>101550234
>Louise
>bad
I'm pretty sure that 90% of the problems with her as a character are the result of Saito being a shit MC and the genre the book was written for.
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>>101551671
Someone took the bait.
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Kyouko, Asuka, Kirino, Taiga and Yozora all best girls.
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>>101531057
Holy shit. I can't believe I never realized that.
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>>101530795
Louise is least shit of them
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>good
>tsundere
Pick one.
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>>101554812
Tsun is best dere. Stop ignoring facts and you're bad taste in girls, anon.
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there is a phenomenon like that
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>liking tsundere

you're basically liking something that was originally fujoshi bait. Tsundere was originally and is still popular in shoujo manga:

Cold hearted sexy male character. Treats the lead girl like garbage. Says mean things to her all the time and treats her like a toy. What a dick. Eventually we see his good side and now he's in love with the female lead

yeah you're basically lapping up the same thing that fujoshi do, but you'll never admit it
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>>101554812
Both.
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>>101555739
>yeah you're basically lapping up the same thing that fujoshi do
And I don't give a single fuck. I like it.
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>>101555739
Fujoshi != female shoujo otaku. Stop being retarded and new.
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>>101530795
Yes because it appeal to some of them and masochist.
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>>101552157
Wow much shit taste.
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>>101533085
>>101531600
>>101531505
>>101531388

Akame ga Kill last chapter did what you are seeking.
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>>101561447
I agree with him therefore you're wrong.
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>hating tsunderie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NCd5iTFY1E&t=35s
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Tsundere a best
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Best tsun
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>>101530795
>Not mentioning small, sameface, retarded and socially awkward.
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I don't think Louise is tsundere. It's just Saito being a jerkass.
Usually harem shows end with MC confessing his love and kissing the girl. Saito confessed his undying love to Louise in first season but still kept hitting on girls. Louise has all rights to be mad.
Fuck, he nearly fucked her only childhood BEST FRIEND on their freaking HONEYMOON in their own fucking house.
What would you do if your waifu tried to fuck your best and only friend after few days of wedding?
Louise would be pure deredere if she would hook up with normal guy and not a cheating faggot like Saito.
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Anime was better in 2005 they said
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>>101567474
Meant to say 2006
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Taiga is shit not worthy of Ruyji
Just as Saito is not worthy of Louise
They should swap
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Taiga a shit
Louis a shit
Shana a shit
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>>101549549

FTFY
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>>101543397
What's the difference between teredere and hajidere?



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