Do Japanese really consider NEETs worse than yakuza?
Japan is retarded, what do you expect? They make fucking anime, what's worse than that?
NEETs are worse than Yakuza
Of course. Yakuza is a legal job.
NEETs are just leech.
Anyway best manga I am following right now. This chapter is fucking hilarious.
>doing business, albeit illegal
>pay taxes and/or illegal briberies
>usually don't bother normal people
>pay no taxes
>is a burden to guardian/society
you be the judge
"muh honor". being unemployed blings shame to famiry.
of course it is worse than causing bancrupcy of other people or doing physical harm.
> s-s-s-s-slutty, norway!
ye I never got norway part
>slavery worse than anime
>doing business, albeit illegal
produce nothing, actually lower the GDP
destroy jobs by giving loans to gambling managers
>pay taxes and/or illegal briberies
corruption is fine, its just an official form of trickling down. look how great life is in russia and ukraine
>usually don't bother normal people
no, the muscle are not total brutes assaulting people for looking at them
*unofficial form of trickling down.
What if you enslaved people into making anime?
the norway is a mistranslation
it was probably written "ノー。ウェイ！？” (no way!?) in jap and the translator derped
>he doesnt know its already happening
because repairing broken windows is a net gain.
GDP is bullshit.
It's a running gag.
do you even know who translates the manga?
yakuza are fuckin everywhere in Japan though. every construction site, every pachinko parlour, every whore house, not to mention the entire drug industry and the ENTIRE entertainment industry.
you dont think groups like AKB and the tv variety crap wouldve ACTUALLY gotten popular on its own do you? course not, the entire Jap Sex and Entertainment industry is controlled by the Yaks and allows them to turn big profits.
not to mention, depending where you live, if you open a business you have to pay protection money and give a cut off the top to the local yak-group to be allowed to conduct business there.
when you start to look carefully Japan is really like having Farmville-like wallpaper stretched over walls made out of Eve Online
name me one activity the yakuza do that is actually a gain. just one. and I don't want to hear "earthquake reconstruction" bullshit. mexican cartels built churches in their home-towns too.
Not to mention that the yakuza absolutely do hustle small business and heist shipments of consumer goods and some of the bigger gumi even have their fingers in zaibatsu profits. But their influence is so systemic and the law enforcement so backwards and focused on appearances that nothing is rarely done about any of it. The only reason the average Japanese might have a reason to appreciate the yakuza is because they traffic foriegn women and likely indentured natives to work in their quasi legal brothels that authorities turn a blind eye to. Which is still fucked.
As much as yakuza like to fancy themselves as folk heroes to the public, no one really buys it. There have been riots in the past in some cities to try and oust them from the community.
Don't tell me they insert "norway"'s into the manga as jokes.
I'm going to be so fucking embarrassed if they do.
>Japan is really like having Farmville-like wallpaper stretched over walls made out of Eve Online
I can only imagine how obese you are irl.
i'm from norway, and it is pretty embarrassing
Japan's a society that's so tied up in the bureaucratic crap that that Yakuza are amazing in times of strife. The JP govt is so slow to act on anything, so when shit like an earthquake happens its the Yakuza's (because they follow traditional samurai-like codes) obligation to help out with shit like that.
I've drunk with a bunch of them in bars n such. they're actually bretty gud guys, just stay away from the younger ones cuz they're highschool dropout cunts that think they know shit.
honestly though everything the Yaks do is under the radar. most you'll see or hear is a gang of them at the beach covered in tattoos, noisy motorbikes at night and ofc the Sex industry and Entertainment industry, which is as simple as dont pay for girls and dont sign a record/tv deal in JP.
70kg, get on my level
At least the NEETs don't kill people and are having fun with their lives.
>because they follow traditional samurai-like codes
Actually it's because they want to build up positive PR so they can operate their sex slave based industry more easily.
Kan vi finne fyren og myrde han
Really it's the same with the mafia. I've actually meet some former mafioso who helped my uncle out of a real tight spot and all they asked of him was to let them use his business for some kind of deal one time and that was it. They seemed like nice guys.
your point? most women want to be sex slaves anwyay
thing is... like another guy said they have negative PR that no-one's buying due to sneaky govt campaigns. there are posters on the trains everywhere telling ppl to not let the yaks get their feet in and telling em to "kick them out of your town!" n shit, but the average Japanese person is raised/taught to not stick your head out or itll get chopped off. Literally.
When Yaks are cool, they're fucking bro man. Drank in a bar in north Osaka with a mate one night, some old Yak guy called us over to his table and gave us free drinks all night. Asked us if we were single, my friend was at hte time. Yakboss clicked his fingers and told 2 of his girls to go home with my friend. I was so damn angry that I said I had a g/f
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything you said, but would it kill you not to write like a brain-damaged kid?
i've had a lot of scotch tonight so forgive me if I have a little brain damage lol
yeah, you remember that line from bioshock? Help the homeless, give them shelter, food and a job and you're a saint.
When you're desperate, even demons look like angels, and for them to render help, in your eyes it looks like they've saved the fucking world. In return all they ask for is just a small price in 36 easy payments of your soul. I'm sure your uncle will be extremely glad he sought out the mafia when he finds out that they are still using his business to launder drug money and he comes under investigation.
Stop watching mafia movies son.
stop talking norwegian on an english imageboard
la oss ta en titt på siden deres så finner vi han nok
>most women want to be sex slaves anwyay
Jesus christ, that's a lot of ass-pull condensed in one post.
I don't care how fun they are to drink with, the yakuza are fucking thugs. >>101507368 has pretty much got it right, in addition to the fact that laundering and loan sharks are another big source of revenue for them and yakuza don't have to operate in front businesses, they actually rely on people to come seek them out. Even if they aren't so stonehearted that they'd feel obligated to assist in disaster relief out of goodness of their cold dead heart throbbing once, which I don't entirely believe they are without ulterior motive, that says nothing about their overall character. If you actually think a fucking gangster is a good person, you're damn gullible.
You'd have to be a brain damaged kid to think violent organized criminals that make a living off of murder and destroying people's lives are cool guys because some wasted thug wanted to throw around his dosh and make a scene. And you'd have to be fucking brain damaged to not be highly suspicious of such a generous offer from a fucking murderer that makes a living off of forcing people to be in debt to him.
Manga mafia beat me up.
How accurate would Kaiji's depiction of the Yakuza be?
>implying the Yakuza isn't saving the Japanese economy with it's huge sex industry.
Even more ass pull, the entertainment industry is fine on it's own, the bigger portions aren't yakuza managed, I'm contracted a normal record deal and so is the majority, you'll only 'notice' yakuza at the bottom of the barrel.
And it's still all a choice, it'd be your own retarded fault and choice if you get dragged into it.
>they traffic foriegn women and likely indentured natives to work in their quasi legal brothels that authorities turn a blind eye to. Which is still fucked
thats fucking true but the womans have to be idiots to fall for that in the first place
>What is debt
We're going to start copying AV titles soon.
>womans have to be idiots
Women ARE idiots.
Dude, go to think progress, read a few articles about sex trade and human trafficking, there were a bunch because of the Super Bowl, and go not get fucked.
The fuck does this sentence mean
If you're are not part of the hive you are nothing.
I'm sure Japan has a proverb or saying that matches above.
Those foreign women likely are being trafficked out elsewhere considering the current situation and overall crackdown.
>We're going to start copying AV titles soon.
I would but I'm at work.
>>usually don't bother normal people
But that's their job.
Also the fact that most yakuza are hardline ultranationalists that fucking hate foreigners with a passion. They WILL fuck you up for no other reason than not being Japanese.
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So because some people are gullible it's okay to use them as slaves?
Go read about abduction, rape, psychological torture, forced prostitution in first world countries and say "they'd have to be pretty fucking stupid" again. Don't blame the victim, asswipe.
The ass pull is beyond strong in this thread, where do you guys even make this up from?
Surely you don't live in japan or have ever been near a japanese person.
I'm not saying that all of them or good people or justifying their actions. They aren't all bad, especially a lot of the old school guys. Also as I stated they haven't ever asked him for anything else and it's been years upon years since then and I highly doubt they could be laundering money in his business without him knowing. They pretty much saved his life, so I can't really hate those guys in particular. I'm not saying the group as a whole is good, but there are some good apples among the rotten.
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they'd have to be pretty fucking stupid
Impossible to know because if people like that exist you'd never hear about them. But it is possible that they exist, though I doubt they'd be making that sort of gambles. Or managing underground cities.
Akagi's depiction of Yakuza in the '60s or so is pretty legit, so is Gin to Kin's in its own time period. This goes for Yakuza groups that don't dabble primarily in sex trade and such stuff of course.
Also, movies and anime or manga series are a very bad way to gain understanding about the Yakuza, like Fukumoto's works might be well researched but he doesn't try to paint a completely realistic painting either. You have to read books if you want legit insight.
That wasn't me, asswipe, I just commented on your retarded sentence.
How do they always manage to make tracksuits look so comfy?
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That's one hell of a last name.
Isn't there like 3 shows with NEET MC's next season?
Uh-huh, that's why they have tons of Koreans among them, even among the bosses.
Well, it's not like it's not true...
Essentially talks about the increasing number of women (quite a few single mothers not that I notice this trend) entering the sex industry as they're unable to support themselves otherwise. Most of them are doing it to save money for their children's tuition. Sad.
>If you're are not part of the hive you are nothing.
We Alpha Centauri now
Women being whores, who cares.
It's a choice and an option.
Men can't do it, so they don't, I love when they make it seem like a part of the roster.
So fucking pathetic.
I'd rather die and be poor than be a retarded whore for money.
But of course they don't care.
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if you're in america you'll probably go to jail for this one
It's just a title...
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ok fags im going to tell you guys a story from SA, it was in the 80's. there was a jap that came to my country to "recruit" latin womans for modeling in japan so my mother and her friend went to meet this guy, my mother thought it was odd and refused to keep going but her friend went and finally she went to japan. after 10 years of no one know anything about her not even her family she came back, she talked to my mother what happened to her, in her first day in japan the yakusa took her and raped her for a week after that she was put to "work" for the yakusa, without money and not knowing the language she was traped in there, they only gave her food and drugs and she keep doing that for years, she tried to escape once but she got caught and was send to "the room" a place when they put girl to punish. in that room they had her tied and the japs went in groups to rape her. finally she managed to escape with the help of a costumer that feel in love with her. they guy was and old fat man but it was her ticked out that hell, after that he came back to our country.
Those money that they used to help your uncle with came from crime, murder and human suffering that they inflicted on some other people.
Yes there are.
I'm not sure if this is good or not, especially because in those shows the NEET's life starts to have changes because of a girl that shows up for plot convenience.
> costumer that feel in love with her
Sounds very legit.
I think I watched that one
There are thousands of stories like that, not just in Japan, so it does.
Now make it into LN title you can't
In my opinion being NEET is the worst thing a creature can be, really it is the epitome of failure, in a natural system they are weeded out for they contribute nothing and fail to live by there own.
Yeah and that's a terrible thing. Doesn't make those guys particularly bad guys and it's not like I can cite things they've done, so I can't really blame them in particular. Like I said I'm not justifying the mafia as a whole or it's actions as a whole. I'm just saying that it isn't all bad people.
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Yes and at least one of them looks good if I remember correctly. Maybe two.
>a girl will never show up randomly in your life and change your NEET ways
Thanks for reminding me, anon.
>live in southern california
>FOBs fucking EVERYWHERE
>every now and then hear about vietnamese pimps being arrested for human trafficking and forcing girls into prostitution
I don't even bat an eye anymore. If it's this bad in America I can't imagine how bad it is in countries where you actually expect this to happen.
but they are. every single one of them.
You have to be over 18 to post here.
>all mafiosos have killed dozens of people and ruined billions of lives
No, it doesn't work like that.
If you think those people (in developed countries) make their money by ganging up on poor and helpless people you absolutely don't know anything about how the underworld works.
stop it anon, no one is buying it you pushed it too far.
dont belive me if you dont want, but thats how shit happens here in SA at least with the yakusa, aslo it didnt end in a love story she just lived with the guy for a few months and then she returned to our country
well they also have more conections here in SA due to the corrupt govement and the fact that we sell them the drugs that they sell everywhere else
Are people really saying CRIMINALS are better losers? Least losers keep to themselves and don't bother and disrupt society. Criminals go around killing, raping, stealing, lying, cheating, etc.
Personally I would just get rid of both since they're both cancer but then again humans have proven time and time again that no matter how "civilized" they are they just some how keep fucking up. Only a matter of time until humanity wipes itself out but I'm banking it will be sooner than later.
nobody claims that, you fucktard. of course they rather earn money by smuggling drugs and human slaves from third world countries or blackmailing business-owners or producing fake goods.
but the muscle that helps them out with it, even by guarding a fucking door, gets their equal share of karma. they dont have to fucking murder someone to ruin lives.
The Yakuza run Japan better than the government does. The government should be abolished and replaced with the Yakuza
>money by smuggling drugs and human slaves from third world countries or blackmailing business-owners or producing fake goods
That's still not their main income. You are a child who has no idea how the world works, get out.
Are you sure you're old enough to post on this website?
>Thinking NEETs don't kill people.
Are you retarded enough to not know about human history?
yes, japanese are actually saying that. they commited mass-seppuku after WW2 in shame of losing the war instead of even thinking about all the evil they have caused in the pacific.
Yeah, you definitively need to get back to your 3rd period class now.
>being this conformist
So how come the how of Japan didn't commit suicide if they were so in touch with as a whole?
Good thing I was home schooled instead of being indoctrinated by government schools. Do they still teach you that six million kikes died in the Holohaox?
you just went full pol/ there
Well anon before kitano the yakuza was portrayed only as a romantic anti-hero.
They don't even know how much the yakuza it's fucking their society.
oh, funny, a literal kid accusing others of being young and naive.
what's the matter, you saw some documentary on tax-fraud and business/stock schemes and now you think you figured out "how the world works"? think your little virgin dick is now in manhood mode? you gonna lecture me? how about I put my dick in your boypuss?
NEETs vs Yakuza
whoever wins, we lose
Closeted sexual frustration is not a convincing counter-argument, anon.
>calling someone a child without any argument at all, not even stating what your opinion is, just calling the other one wrong, it sure is a better counter-argument, anon.
NEETs and yakuza are both cool
I wish I lived in Japan so I could join the Yakuza. I wonder if they'd accept a smelly NEET into their ranks. Maybe in another universe I'd have an older brother that would get me in through connections
No, but suggesting that you buttfuck someone is even less of an argument than that. Stopping to someone else's level is not the way to get your point across.
You need to practice your greentext because damn son, that's not how you do it.
Not all "CRIMINALS" cause destruction.
The Yakuza specifically started out as gamblers, and branched into serious crimes much later, when the government started getting in bed with them. But gambling was and still is a crime in Japan, so the first generations of Yakuza were criminals just because they were gamblers, and were heavily punished if caught. So in your opinion those people were terrible human beings just because they made money by gambling?
>he didet give me argument!
When someone is completely ignorant of facts and lacks basic knowledge on a subject, you don't give him arguments, you tell him to fuck off and educate himself.
The average Nip seriously belkieves that Japan is going to have an economic recover even with a rapidly declining population.
They also believe shit like sleepking in the wrong position will give you a cold and sticking onions up their assholes will cure a cold. And making laws to have auto cutoff timers on fans because they think fans will kill them in their sleep.
Japan is backwards as fuck. Just try listening to the completely absurd shit they say. It's a nation of deluded people.
Study accountant, get money, go to tokyo and get a business man job, know that all business men in japan have known atleast 1 yakuza, try to manage to join in their ranks, get spit on for being a gaijin, repeat.
They also used gambling debts to gain power over other gamblers straight from the beginning, as far as I know.
We can take your word on all this since you're an average nip yourself, right?
The sad truth is the yakuza provide much sought after entertainment services in a society much deprived of free time and opportunities for healthy relationships. Their shady entertainment businesses are all that keeps the population at large pacified and content, or else they would be rioting to take down the inept excuse that they call a national government - which is even more obvious when the only organizations that can assist in disaster crisis on day 1 are yakuza and the US Navy.
But NEETs? They have no real voting power.Their buying power is limited because no jobs. No real social standing in society. They can't be bothered to mobilize into a populist movement. They have lost faith in the political process. They don't give back to communities or the country's youth. They don't even create offspring. They are a threat to no one, and their only long term prospect is to inherit Japan.long after the conservative base and the nationalists are dead and transform their society to a more liberal, open, and forgiving one.
>argument was that anon doesn't know how to greentext when he clearly doesn't know how to greentext
>I-ILLOGICAL FALLACIES like I'm the guy who anon was "arguing" with (by suggesting anal sex)
You're the only illogical fallacy here.
>Study accountant, get money, go to tokyo and get a business man job, know that all business men in japan have known atleast 1 yakuza, try to manage to join in their ranks, get spit on for being a gaijin, repeat.
no need for that. you can wash money of eastern-european jewish oligarchs, middle-eastern dictators and terrorists and tax-evading scum from all over the world just as well in Switzerland and still be an otaku.
But he wants to be a yakuza, not an otaku.
You need to remember those gamblers are stealing money away from people. The same money that those people use to pay for their home, car, food, etc. With no money the people are left to the destruction of society. Kind of funny since it's the same thing the trash at wall street are doing but it's completely legal and the government endorses it.
They aren't mutually exclusive.
>Anon i s stating his point
>You don't know how the world works
>You are a kid
>Expecting anything but a fallacy in return
That doesn't make any sense. Why would one of the largest intelligent and technological advance society still believe in voodoo and superstition?
>shooting oneself in the foot
Having factories that produce hi-tech stuff and students whose schooling revolves around doing well on national and international tests doesn't make you a nation of intelligent people.
They are. Well, my lack of real knowledge about politics in Japan may be biased, but most yakuza are quite successful in their lives and have studied the market/economy/sociology after "escaping" the yakuza
>Dressing up maid uniform
>Eating my dick
>Begging for more when I pull my cock out of your stinky, hairy asshole
The Japanese national government has and will continue to do things much worse than the yakuza does
No, its funny because what Wall Street wanted to do in the millennial years was illegal until they shilled enough of Congress to make it legal. There are all kinds of rats in the world.
>Workers like the raftsmen didn’t have much cash, so they weren’t all that popular. The people who were really welcome—it’s obvious why—were elderly landowners, rich men’s wives, and so on.
>[...] In movies and plays you sometimes see a guy getting thrown out of a game after losing his shirt to some professional; but that’s a load of rubbish. I mean, if you did that kind of thing and the customer happened to tell the police, everyone who’d had anything to do with the game would be pulled in.
>Besides, anybody who lost so much at gambling that it ruined him once and for all wouldn’t be able to come again, and word would get around that it was that kind of place.[...] The professional gambler was quite different from gangsters nowadays. He was more like a master craftsman, who happened to make his living by the dice. It paid to be considerate—no one who was just out to make a profit at other people’s expense would have kept going for long in that business.
-Confessions of a Yakuza, by Junichi Saga
Those "other gamblers" would have to be powerful people in the first place, and be stupid and/or addicted enough to leave them completely at the criminals' mercy when at the time the police was absolutely ready to go apeshit against them. The system to exploit people down on their luck simply wasn't in place at the time, later it did start to happen because like I said the government itself started becoming bros with the mafia establishment which led the more depraved of those branching out into very serious crimes.
>technologically advanced society
>studying anything as a high-school dropout
It's not like that. More like they still think everything in "analog" despite having latest technology.
For example, a lot of Japanese companies still rely only on faxes and physical mails. E-mail and VOIP concept are exotic to them.
>You need to remember those gamblers are stealing money away from people
A guy goes into a gambling place out of his own will, to gamble out of his own will, fully aware that gambling might bring you money but also take it away.
How is that stealing?
Sociology, as any other career/post-grad. IS successful, now, if you don't feel like studying anything, that's another problematic.
Yakuza aren't necessary dropouts.
Well, thats because when new tech comes along-
>Western company: why not use this shit in our operations?
>Japanese company: why bother?
It still stuns me how Japanese newscasts still hold up paper printouts and flip charts in the era of 24/7 news channels.
That's patriotism right there.
Stupidest to the sense of the word, but who is watching their productions on hardware made by them?
it is the gambling places that give loans to gamblers and they make damn sure that the guy loses at the end. either by cheating or encouraging him to place a higher bet after a win. if someone ever wins in a mafia-run casino you can be damn sure he will be robbed a block down the street.
>what is addiction
>what is desperation
>what is being uneducated about the nature of gambling
>what is unfair loan-shark operations
>what is the house cheating
>what are drunks
This is why working with Japanese is a fucking pain. They just refuse to do it "modernly" or "conveniently".
For example, lots of people who have e-mail tend to have address provided by phone carriers that also worse than Gmail or Hotmail in every aspect, even address is a clusterfuck like email@example.com or something.
I'm happy that your post keeps in mind the fact that I was talking about early Yakuza.
That's not how NEET operate
I once worked with japanese. In meetings there was a guy asking stupid questions for the manager of the company so the manager doesnt feel ashamed.
Their websites in general are also goddamn mess. Everything is cluttered, navigation is confusing, doesn't work correctly on lots of browser, including newer version of IE.
Then again, lots of Asian websites have no fucking clue how to design good looking and user friendly webpages.
I'm happy that your posts disregard the very obvious and logical developments that those gambling operations went through.
NEET is technically just a jobless person. Plenty of Japanese become disillusioned after completing high school or college education, oftentimes from not finding the job that they wanted or from burnout over long work hours. Its partly why many NEETs have fallen back to watching media about high school and fantasy.
There are not "many" NEETs in Japan. This is just wishful thinking of a western NEET who doesn't want to feel so bad about himself.
Did you read the book extracts I posted?
Those "logical developments" only happened due to leniency by the government and police. There are reasons why they didn't happen right off the bat and took decades.
So no, people who just operated gambling houses while also fearing the intervention og the law were not pieces of shit even if they were criminals just because gambling was illegal.
The amount of PC's is low compared to west so it's somewhat natural to assume that there would be less people who know shit about webdesign.
Are mobile sites any better? Didn't smart phones become popular in Japan before they had touchscreens?
If there aren't many of them, there wouldn't be a word just for them.
Read his post again
Yeah. Smartphones in Japan became popular earlier than in the west. No idea why.
>what is love
Not just general web design. The majority of their programmers can't code for shit.
Baby loves me.
It caught on because Japan has huge antenna towers everywhere in a tightly packed regional space, so affordable localized smartphone communication was possible.
The common lack of legal intervention surely had nothing to do with local bribes, bribes that grew in size as the gambling kingpins gained more power and money to bribe corrupt higher officials. The way I understand it (and I may be misunderstanding), is that your argument is the same as those who say that privatizing prisons, hospitals, drug stores, liquor stores etc. isn't harmful because there is a chance that "bad" capitalists don't take advantage of the system. The reality, however, is very different. Just the fact that the gamblers were so very happy to work with the corrupt government when the chance presented itself tells most there is to tell about the characters and goals of those gamblers.
>Didn't smart phones become popular in Japan before they had touchscreens
Sort of. Their smartphones in the past 5 years are more like "feature phone on steroid" than actual smartphones like Blackberry ones.
Is that one No Game, No Life? I might watch it because scanlations are like once every three months, and surely the anime would get firther than the manga. It's not that good though,and it's obvious that it's Gary and Mary the Sue brothers to itsnotfunny levels.
Again, you're referring to a later time. None of that happened in the early days, which is the time I had limited myself to.
What's worse than a bum ?
That's universal not just in Japan.
>The majority of their programmers can't code for shit.
Applies to almost every Asian corps in-house programmers, really.
You'd be surprised but a lot of people are not bothered by thugs. In fact I'd say a lot of cultures glorify them.
This is where we start ranting about FromSoftware, right?
If the government is corrupt why would you want to the government to own the entire economy?
Especially America does.
You realize that the "later" time was spawned from the "early" days, and that there was no huge arcane shift in who controlled the gambling operations and what kind of people they were? Setting in motion something that can only have negative consequences for society as it develops, and doing it to enrich yourself, is to me a harmful and destructive act, even if it at its genesis isn't intended to grow to a international level leech. The people who started it were selfish fuckups from the start, even if they were only given more power to drain society as time went by. So to me, the fact that they developed into what they did, shows only what they were from the beginning, and what environment they were it in.
A lot of people are not bothered by thugs until they are bothered by thugs. Its the latter that makes them thugs.
Because inviting private instances to acquire the power to further corrupt the government is not exactly the ideal way of countering corruption in the government.
That map must be pretty old
>Setting in motion something that can only have negative consequences for society as it develops
Playing competitive games for money is not negative or destructive in itself, not as long as you're not forced to do it, and not as long as there's no one to stop those who would force you. Maybe instead of trying to fit the world into your frame of mind you should read more and actually educate yourself?
No, about Gamefreak.
Just ask /vp/ or /vr/
And giving the government more control over resources is the right way to combat a corrupt government?
You can't be seriously implying that in "early days" there were no organized crime at all and only gamblers.
A government answers to its people on some level or at some point (see: Ukraine right now) regardless of its level of corruption. A private company doesn't share that same level of responsibility.
>A lot of people are not bothered by thugs until they are bothered by thugs.
People that got bothered by thugs normally did it out of their own accord.
dude don't take he limiters off your fedora like that, you can hurt your self.
Hes saying yakuza were just self-sufficient gambling outfits in the early days with no real aims of wider criminal expansion, compared to what the yakuza are now as global, untouchable bastions of extortion and villainy.
>A private company doesn't share that same level of responsibility.
Why should it ?
You can't chose the country you were born in.
But you can chose the company you work in.
Don't like your job ? Quit.
The government has no resources, the government is given resources by the voters, assuming democracy. That means they answer to the voters. But the more corrupt the government, the more it does the bidding of private actors, the more interest it has in fooling and lying to its voters. A democratically chosen government isn't corrupted from the inside, it's corrupted from the outside (unless the inside was just an extension of the outside to begin with).
What the fuck does that have to do with empowered corrupt governments being better or rose than corrupt governments run by empowered corrupt enterprises?
So can we agree that the gooks are dirty subhumans who operate in hiveminds?
Are gooks the new buzzword for brazilians?
Aims or not, the greed that drove them then is exactly the same as the greed that drives them now. The level of greed in the individual criminal doesn't change much, only the scope in which they're able to indulge in it.
Well, then there surely were other criminals under a different name that did all kinds of other illegal activities. In all times there are always people that don't want to live by the law.
>empowered corrupt governments
Governments have no meaning if they are not empowered.
If you just want to distribute money for shit like road repairs there was a thing called a "cooperation" in comunism which did that without any government help.
What is this thread about now?
>the Confederacy has no meaning
Perhaps I'm stupid for not understanding this, but would you please be so kind as to explain what exactly you're trying to say here?
He's saying that a government can't exist if it doesn't have the power to murder you any time it pleases.
Democracy isn't some magical utopian concept that is resistant to corruption. Corrupt governments are called corrupt governments. You can't blame all the corruption in a government on private entities.
It doesn't. Regardless of what your murikan fairy tales tell you. The only reason for a government to exist is to govern.
There was never anything else it was needed for.
I couldn't word it better.
As for how other kinds of organized crime existed, I'm inclined to say they did exist, but I don't really have much knowledge on the subject. Prostitution was legal, and drugs such as meth (at the time not classified as drugs) were sold legally, though I believe certain products such as opium were recognized as harmful and were limited. There was organized thievery, that much I know, as well as forgery for sure, but for the rest I can only guess. And if you yourself have no sources to rely on, you're just doing empty talk too.
How do you separate their greed from other forms of greed? Rich corporations and politicians ruin and have ruined more lives than crime ever did in the history of mankind, for the sake of greed too. Just because they're "legal", the actions of those people somehow good all of a sudden? That's laughable.
Briton pls go and stay go
Social Contract: i.e. Individuals willingly give up some of their rights and freedumbs to authority in order to protect the rest of their rights.
I want libertarian anarchists to leave.
>How do you separate their greed from other forms of greed? Rich corporations and politicians ruin and have ruined more lives than crime ever did in the history of mankind, for the sake of greed too. Just because they're "legal", the actions of those people somehow good all of a sudden?
No, their greed is also destructive. I haven't claimed or implied otherwise.
Well, I won't blame all of it, but my main point is that the power of the private sector and its power to corrupt the government and leech off society go hand in hand. I may have gone too far in my previous post, unsure about that, because as you say, it doesn't NEED to happen that way - but I believe it most assuredly WILL.
are you fucking kidding me
Even England loves Robin Hood
Morgan Freeman can make anyone likable
But you never talked about them being criminals.
Corporations just want to report higher earnings to share holders. Some of them do influence the government in ways that you might not like.
Politicians not only are they driven by greed for money like private entities but also greed for power and power over you.
I'd rather run into a NEET(can that even happen) than a yakuza. Japan is strange.
Typical Does nothing vs. Does everything wrong argument.
They certainly think they are lower than dirt, though.
Slaves are productive. They contribute. They grow their spirits and sense of self.
It's a universal in all countries and mediums that criminals are glorified more than bums.
Since the former actually DOES something they are more interesting than the latter so it's easier to make stories about them.
>he thinks corporations act on behalf of their share holders
Rett etter jeg finner Hideaki Anno og myrder han for å ha ødelagt min vaif Rei
>I would rather run into someone that won't be angry at me than someone that will be angry at me
>lower than dirt
But everyone on /tv/ consideres Tony Soprano a bro
Yes, but not all politicians are the same, believe it or not. Perhaps in the U.S. and many other countries, but not where I live. But the most corrupted politicians tend to have connections with powerful private instances BEFORE they enter politics, and are backed by the private dought (private in that they've legally acquired it by unethically and immorally fooling the voters) to represent the private corporation's or capitalist's interest. Idealists can and often are corrupted along the line as well, of course. But no, not all of them. But the more corrupt the system is, the more power over government and campaign that the private sector has, the more power the corrupted politicians will have to push the less corrupted politicians away from the limelight. Then you end with up with the U.S. where the only two real options are equally corrupted and merely have slightly different ideas on how to best represent the private sector's interests.
Corporations are nothing but a bunch of shareholders.
In death note they killed NEETS together with murderers too and nobody said a thing.
There's no guarantee a NEET wouldn't angry or a yakuza would be angry.
are you per chance, implying tony sopranos is not a bro?
He is a bro. Treat 'im right, he'll treat you back right. What more could you ask?
Japanese society and "muh honor", "muh must work to death" is retarded, also their men are the most beta on earth. Being a yakuza is better for them.
oh, so when I buy 20$ worth of apple stocks I can in any way influence apple's management decision?
He didn't treat Christopher right.
Real life anon
>my moral compass is based on anime and manga
He had his chance. He was a druggie and an idiot.
I am not implying, I am openly stating that he is scum that betrayed his best friends not to speak of other people, for the sake of his own, fucked up, good-for nothing family that cheated on him and wanted to see him dead.
Because Christopher didn't treat him right.
Anime will never be as good as Sopranos.
>Real life anon
You have not noticed the dozens of books and films about Pablo Escobar, Al Capone etc?
>betrayed his best friends
They fucked him over first.
>And making laws to have auto cutoff timers on fans because they think fans will kill them in their sleep.
that's korea you shit
Shareholder votes are weighted by how much of the company you own. Somebody that owns a large portion of a company isn't goikng to want a bunch of idiots with single $20 shares in the company fucking around with his money.
You can be assured that somebody with that kind of money tied to the company will take your $20 more serious than you ever will so it's in good hands. Because the people that own a large part of a company make and lose money alongside of you.
>Christopher fucked him over
>The fat guy fucked him over
>the corrupt cop in season 1 fucked him over
>the guy who slept with his FORMER goumah fucked him over
> "muh must work to death" is retarded
Funny how this has nothing to do with the Japanese people and is a result of the west "teaching" them economic models.
Their strict adherence to it is due to their mentality, and the fact that like anywhere else on Earth old men are against change.
>tfw whorehouse three blocks down from me
Christopher was a junky and he fucked up a few times. But he was the only person loyal to Tony. And Tony killed him
Sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between incompetence and willful betrayal. Like Freddy.
doesnt mean much when you are an idiot. he was bad for business and he was not real family.
So, anime, that's a thing right?
Yakuza are dangerous if angry.
Neet can't do shit to you.
I get it and I know why Tony didn't trust him and thought he would betray him. But I still felt bad for Christopher.
Welcome to /a/. Enjoy your stay.
Anime is SHIIT.
Who would get a GF first, a NEET or a Yakuza?
Doesn't Japan glorify delinquents?
I felt bad about people in law enforcement who protect our lives and are being portrayed as manipulative assholes without morals in shitty TV series glorifying crime.
Japan is really fucked up. It reminds me Italy (at least they didn't have a clown for Prime minister like us)
Time to bring the pill.
Law enforcement are humans just like mafia are humans.
If we think about it couldn't we also think that neets are criminals as well? I mean, think about it for a moment they're using money they know that is stolen from the hard working people of society by the government to fun their illicit actions like the Yakuza.
Vice actually used to be pretty decent.
It really did, but it's gone downhill ever since that lil bub special. I want my cannibal warlords back ;_;
Yes but following that, government is also a criminal. Go figure
Mexico sucks. Yakuza are better than cartels.
Where's the subs
Open it in a new tab, embedded player doesn't have youtube subs enabled.
People who want power over others have a few options available: Judicial system, politics, law enforcement (cops rather than judges), religion, crime. Quite a few chose law enforcement, unfortunately, and often for the same reason that some chose crime. It's basically background that decides which way they go. It's just that in law enforcement you'll also find more OK guys, but the bad guys are a bigger deal in Law because they're representing federal law.
>not being able to find a job in the field you were told to study is "stealing"
>deciding not to dump wages even more by working at mcdonalds is "stealing"
get a load of this capitalist shill
Isn't Japan's right wing actually just America's left wing?
When a country hates another(e.g japan hating russians, koreans etc), do you really think they're on the left political side?
I seriously hope you don't
>They grow their spirits and sense of self.
Im reading Vinland Saga and i can tell this anon speaks the truth
federal law is actually better. its often small states that give too much power to their law-enforcement and are corrupt as fuck.
What are you getting up to? Are you going to tell us Hitler was right wing because he hated jews, too?
wow, those are LITERALLY the same guys from the "Gaijin go home" video, assaulting some random tourists at their hotel.
>"b-b-ut we are not racists!"
Well I do remember that in America during the civil rights movements that all the laws that segregated blacks were by liberals which is ironic since Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a conservative fighting for freedom and equality something that many people associate with the left.
>Implying lefts can't hate other countries.
How does it feel like to be retarded?
Liberals are for the freedom to exploit, not the freedom of equality. They pretend like the two go hand in hand, but only the dumbasses actually buy it.
Children on the internet, 4chan /a/ no less, pretending to know how the world works. Amazing.
Half-joking, I'm pretty sure the posters under 18 don't hold a majority over 60% at most. Maybe as low as 40%?
>implying he was implying that
>implying lefts hate races and not governments
>bluh bluh bluh us versus them
The only division of consequence is the poor and the rich. Most people would grumble but be fine with a lot of normal peoples' alternative opinions being enforced, it's just rich people that are enjoying the endless rape against society.
I see our mature poster is still here, still not stating his own opinion because then he would have to actually defend it and realize that some arguments are won by argumentation skills and not truth behind them
why don't you go away and drink some coffee and listen to jazz, mature man?
hey I live there
that was my first post in this thread, I just woke up.
do you always just make up bullshit to seem big? perhaps my opinion is "this is stupid and off topic, take it elsewhere".
I never implied otherwise. I was just saying that Liberalism is at its core the freedom of the private interest to exploit others. I'm not talking about Liberals vs. Republicans, they stand for the same thing with different views on how to best accomplish it.
Who would you rather insult, mobsters with guns or losers who never leave the house.
That being said japan is hopelessly socially retarded.
>Implying he wasn't implying that
Read his post again. He said it's impossible for leftist countries to hate other countries. Visit Latin America and come talk to me again. But only if you are a capitalist pig.
>taking everything literally
1. NEETS have no honuru
2. yakuza have honuru
the choice is obvious. and yes, japanese are as simple minded as that.
>Moving the goal post.
Here have a read >>101509614
nice fallacy fallacy
That's nice. My next reply to you will be when you actually make a contribution to the argument.
Nice ad hominem.
who r u calling homo
NEETs get shat on only because of jealousy.
Yakuza using homeless as slaves for Fukushima cleanup.
Yakuza saving Japan.
>all the off-topic threads on /a/ are about criminals, illegal things and politics and are totally okay
Fuck this, if off-topic, it should be about what certain anime inspires such as sociology and human interaction out there.
Anime doesn't inspire any kind of social interaction.
certain do. just how characters act
like watamote...but nah shes just a bitch
Do you have nay reccomendations?
>The average Nip seriously belkieves that Japan is going to have an economic recover even with a rapidly declining population.
>even with a rapidly declining population.
>the Black Death claimed up to 80 percent of life in some countries in Europe
The great flowering of European society, Renaissance occurred because the lack of people in Europe forced them to mechanize, and because the death of millions of people freed up land to the survivors.
If anything, the average Japanese has his brain on straight better than the pro-immigration, no borders assfuck who thinks cramming more people in a small space will create a better future.
It's like you haven't even gone to a ghetto before.
>Listening to the radio the other day
>Abe said "we're gonna try to have womyn making for 30% of the Japanese workforce within 2020"
I don't blame Japanese men for turning herbivores.
I've always suspected the yaks have a not-insignificant hand in the manga industry. Pretty much all series that has yakuza as a major feature portray them positively; if not the heroes they'll be well-meaning community pillars, as opposed to, you know, a fucking criminal empire.
How's that empty self-righteousness taste?
Yeah, I'm sure having the population consisted mostly of retired old people with barely any young working generation to support them will create a better future.
>he thinks that old people will live forever
WHEN the older generation dies off, Japan's resources will be freed up for the smaller number of people that survive. Just like Europe did before. That is when the economic recovery kicks back in.
You're so concentrated on the near future that you're not thinking of how the country will rebound. Europe rebounded from an 80 percent mortality rate and that created the damn fucking Renaissance.
Most asian websites still look like yahoo geocities circa 2000
in fact, so many of them are actual geocities websites that yahoo never shut it down in east asia
One of the definitions of a government is that it has a monopoly on legitimate use of force. If it doesn't get you to do things by force or indirect use of force (jail time, legal threats) then it's not a government.
Do we get benefits? sure. But governments, like they said in Sun-Ken Rock, are just really big, successful gangs.
>muh 99% percent
You have no idea how demographics work.
>Gintoki and shinpachi are both neets
Explain to me how that is not the end result.
Old people WILL end up dying. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. The only reason this is even a problem is because social security nets make it a problem.
Otherwise, there would be no problem with a graying population.
Oh, and if you're one of those morons who think that demographics stay in one straight trend, remember that the people who created the social security system thought the human population would just keep going straight up.
If you're one of those idiots who think that population growth will forever go down just because it will (and not due to external factors that would obviously change when resources are freed up), then fuck how your "demographics" work.
>HUR DUR WHY DO PEOPLE THINK GANGSTERS ARE COOLER THAN VIRGIN SHUTINS
OP here. no, it's not about being cooler (at least my original question wasn't). in japan not only young kids glorify yakuza, but you will also see plenty of old folks who should know better talking better about yakuza than the millenial generation that has trouble finding jobs because just as everywhere else in the world the economy is fucked in japan and college-level labor market flooded with women and more graduates (who would be working trade-jobs 20 years ago) in general.
we have our boomers shit-talking about our generation, but at least they dont consider us as bad as italian mafia.