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This character contributed literally nothing to the plot.

Prove me wrong.
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but...
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana_Asumi
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>>101504937
I actually want to like her, but she does so little that matters and has so few lines that she is completely forgettable.
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What plot?
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I mildly laughed to myself when I realized her appearance was so unimportant, and that she was barely what all the hype was bounding over.
I was glad that she wasn't at all one of those characters who personally create and resolve the story of focus.
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>>101505156
She does literally nothing
and the like 1 or 2 important things she did do were either done with sayaka, or could have been done by sayaka.
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>>101505202
But isn't she Charlotte? Shouldn't that be enough for her to be important?
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She was more important as Bebe. And more entertaining as well.

I did like how her face changed into Charlotte's when she was fighting though.
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>>101505265
Charlotte isn't important she's just a witch that kills mami.
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>>101505202
Exactly. She was just a superfluous arbitrator, and something that could easily address multiple dilemmas/scenarios while being able to utilize some fanservice.
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That star in the sky contributes to absolutely nothing in my life, but is still beautiful and fascinating. Plus i'm happy it exists.
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>>101504886
But muh fanservice! Gotta buy all them Charlotte's merch at the cinema.
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She exists solely because of MamixCharlottefags
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She ate the cheese.
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bebe's VA gave me a fucking brain anurism
So loud in cinema as well
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She must be destroyed so that the sad Mami quota can be maintained.
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She was Mami's friend
That's kinda a big deal
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>>101505463
>Implying the other megucas aren't mami's friend
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>>101504886
Is this your first anime movie?
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>>101505346
That's pretty profound, Anonymous.
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>>101505463
She was a fucking pet, fuck that bitch.
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>>101504886
>Prove me wrong.

Why would I? It's not the first time a new character is introduced in a series for the solely purpose of selling merchandising.
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Didn't Nagisa witchify because her mother died after she wished for cake?
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>>101505523
She wished for cheese, yeah, so?
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>>101505395
That pairing wasn't really a thing, Nagisa was just introduced so that Mami would stop being the third wheel, they never really cared about Mami in SHAFT.
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>>101505809
>That pairing wasn't really a thing

You must be blind or something, go check Pixiv.
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>>101505523
>>101505568
I thought it was that she had a naive wish to eat with her mother one last time before she died and then when her mother died immediately after they had dinner, Kyubey asked her why she didn't just use the wish to cure her mother's disease and she became a witch.

The cheese was supposed to be her mother's favorite food or some shit.
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>>101505809
>Mami is frowning
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>>101505904
Where is all this? Did shaft sit down and confirm, or what?
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Nobody contributed to the plot besides Madoka and Homu.
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>>101505904
>"It's really a delicious cheese cake. My dying mother wanted to eat it, but maybe I should have cured her disease instead. However, that surely was impossible."
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>>101505952
Production notes.
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I had no idea what was going on in the last half of the movie. I hope I'm not alone
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>>101505904
>Kyubey asked her why she didn't just use the wish to cure her mother's disease
Never implied, stop making shit up.
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>>101506070
>I hope I'm not alone

I'm sure there are lots of retards out there too.
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>>101506070

You're not. Check the wiki though. Or see it again!
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>>101505313
That's what literally everyone is who isn't Homura or Madoka, deal with it.
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>>101505952
Inu Curry made everything related to witches.
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>>101506070
Pay attention to the subtitles instead of watching it for the pretty colors next time.
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>>101506189
>deal with my lies and bullshit
nope.
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>>101506323
But it's true, the story is not about magical girls anymore, is only about Madoka and Homura relationship, all the others are irrelevant, just see the fucking movie.
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>>101506440
>just see the fucking movie.
Take your own advice.
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This movie contributed literally nothing to the plot.
Prove me wrong.
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>>101506491
What plot?
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>>101506514
touch'e
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>movie screenings in Australia lately
That explains the spike in shitposting and idiocy.
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>>101506550
I'm sorry if not everybody liked your shitty sci-fi movie.
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>>101506323
Bebe's presence in Mami's history gives her the confidence and calm mind to lead the megucas; Mami's parental concern for her is what gives her cause to ribbon-track Homura.
Her witch form is what provokes Homura to action in the first place, and her being a part of the team puts Homura back into rogue, Sentai Black position.

Compared to this, all Sayaka does for the main plot is serve as exposition dump for Homura, and Kyouko is simply a backboard for Homura to bounce ideas off of.

Also, the benefits to the LoC angels using buddy system are pretty apparent. Nagisa almost got killed by Homura, and who knows what Homura would have done to Sayaka if the latter hadn't gotten away before timestop. Sayaka also almost got wrecked by familiars.

Plus, Bebespeak is fucking cute. Complain less.
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>>101506656
Did you quote the wrong poster?
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>>101505809
>Kyouko leading the pack
Kyouko confirmed for main character of season 2.
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>>101506704
I'm down, kyouko might as well have been dead during the movie, she had no personality.
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>>101506550
Have you been in the Aussie threads? They were so much more civil pre-viewing that the US threads, and post-viewing everyone has been much more okay with the ending than US reactions were. It's really weird and makes me wonder if the stereotype holds any ground at all.
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>>101506703
Sure didn't. Are you done making worthless meta posts?
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>>101506656
>Plus, Bebespeak is fucking cute. Complain less.

You are one of the reasons this worthless character was introduced, good job Anonymous, now go buy some Charlotte keychains.
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>>101506756
I found the ending and the general plot good.
But I found a lot of the shit was awful, like the yuri fan pandering, adding nagisa just because charlotte was popular and stupid comic relief ruining scenes that didn't need it at all.

The overall story was good, but the small scale had problems.

It felt like shaft was making what they thought the fans wanted, rather than actually continuing the story.

What people want and what people need are different things though, and I think some of the choices they made were bad.

It was still good though.
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>>101506704
But Sayaka is the protagonist
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>>101504886
If there is no Bebe
- Homu and Mami will not fight
- Homu will not find the world is strange since no one is obviously strange like Bebe
- Mami will never feel really happy in fake world.
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>>101506785
>>101506323 is saying that the other characters aren't just superfluous arbitrators as >>101505313 calls them. You just supported his point and told him to stop complaining. I don't get it.
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>>101506844
>Homura regains some memories anyway
>Homura finds the world strange because kyouko is passive as fuck, sayaka is acting mature and they're fighting nightmares not wraiths/witches
>Mami would be happy having a team of megucas by her side, she just needs companionship, it doesn't matter who.
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>>101506827
see
>>101506656
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>>101506849
The subject at hand was if Nagisa was more worthless than the other characters, so when the anon responded, "nope", it could be assumed that he was denying the previous post's point that the other characters are just as much supporting characters as Nagisa is--that the anon was referring back to the original point that only Nagisa is useless.
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>>101506916
please don't abuse quote-kun
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You know who didn't contribute to the plot? Kyouko
She did exactly fuck all in the movie except some fighting and pandering
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>>101507089
>it could be assumed that he was denying the previous post's point
Not really. The post that he's responding to is the post that he's responding to. That's it.
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>>101507167
She was there to say "OI!" constantly.

Someone has to say "OI!" in an anime, Anon.
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>>101507167

>Kyouko in school uniform

Generally I'm the first to criticize fanservice but that was fucking excellent and I have zero complaints.
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It's Homura's story, I don't know what you guys are looking for in character involvement. Every single one of them supports Homura's plot advancement in one or more ways.
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>>101507206
I heartily laughed.
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>>101507167
Just like in the show.
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>>101507203
which is what I meant by 'previous post'. This meta shit is fucking inane by the way.
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>>101507167
She helps Homura realize that the world is fake. Without her, Homura may not have found the way out.
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>>101504886
2chaotic4u
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>She helps Homura realize that the world is fake. Without her, Homura may not have found the way out.

Bullshit:

>There's something strange about Mitakihara, it's as if there's nothing outside of it...
>I know, I'll go visit my parents back in Tokyo.
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>>101507305
Homura's world was going down before she even said a word to Kyouko, she only accelerated the process.
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>>101507270
Fucking this. Homura takes the spotlight and Madoka is her deuteragonist. It's funny to see people arguing over third place though.
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>>101507436
Calm your tits, we all know Sayaka is the hero of Rebellion
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>>101507412
Yeah, Kyoko helped her. If they didn't do the bus experiment together, perhaps Homura may not have figured it out.
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>>101506916
>Homura regains some memories anyway
Then what she do the whole movie is useless?
she should just drink tea and wait for all memories to return?
Nope, she gain memories because she act and have something to investigate like Bebe. Homu able to gain all the memories because of the chain event starting from when she kidnapped Bebe > Fight Mami > Sayaka decide to tell more information to her.
So Homu decide to kidnap Bebe makes her regain cause her to regain more memories, she will not able to gain any memories if there is no clue to investigate.
>Homura finds the world strange because kyouko is passive as fuck, sayaka is acting mature and they're fighting nightmares not wraiths/witches.
There's nothing more to investigate at that point and she can't prove anything gone wrong since they are normal Human.
Bebe is obviously strange compare to everything in the world so Bebe existence ensure Homura that something is wrong with this world
Investigate Bebe is the only thing she was able to do at that time since she still didn't regain memories that Sayaka is already dead.
She will not be able to learn/remember anything more than that if there is nothing to investigate.
>Mami would be happy having a team of megucas by her side, she just needs companionship, it doesn't matter who.
She state that before she meat with all Megucas she was all alone, only Bebe staying with her at that time.
Also HomuMado KyouSaya pair always being together most of the time so Mami will always being lonely if there is no Bebe
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>>101507514
Again, she only accelerated the process, Homura already knew something was wrong with the world.
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>>101507462
And she lost.
Hardcore.
Getting your memory changed is basically just as bad as being killed
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>>101507553
So you agree that Kyoko was a necessary catalyst.
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>>101507583
So, Homura killed everyone in the end? Outrageous.
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>>101507553
Kyouko was a key piece of evidence for the contradictions though, Kyouko doesn't understand witch barriers and witches, but sayaka does, implying they come from different timelines or something along those lines.
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>>101507604
Not at all, it was just matter of time until Homura realized they were inside a witch barrier, Bebe was just more of a catalyst than Kyouko for the reasons stated in this very thread.
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>>101507659
>it was just matter of time until Homura realized they were inside a witch barrier
Cool fanfic.
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>>101507683
>Cool fanfic.

Says the one saying Kyouko was relevant to the plot.
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>>101507605
Well, yeah.
Their bodies are still alive but the individuals are gone, they're different people now.

If I take you, and remove all your memories and replace them with different ones, you're no longer the same person, unless there is a way to recover those memories, you're functionally a different you, and the original you is gone.
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>>101507722
Yeah, because that's a fact.
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>>101507412
Why does that matter? It's not about providing narrative movement. Homura does that on her own and all four of the supporting girls are therefore unnecessary in that regard.
What the girls do is help provide an insight into Homura's character that makes Rebellion a complete look into her psyche, not one that needs the series to support it. We start with Moemura, and Kyouko pushes her into her default personality. Bebe sends her back into her role as the rogue, lone wolf character. Mami serves as a chance for Homura to show off her abilities and martial proficiency. Sayaka's confrontation with Homura brings up the psychological aspect of the witch's labyrinth. Homura starts a monologue on her own about Madoka's role in the past, and the flower field scene takes us through Homura's motivation from timeline 3 to the last time loop, wherein she wanted to prevent Madoka from ever even becoming a magical girl.

Basically, Rebellion is everything you could ever need to know about Homura's character.
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>>101504886
She contributed to the merchandise sold. Sole reason for her, and the Madoka films.
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>>101507742
wwww
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>>101507768
Yeah, keep shitposting you fucking Aussie.
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>>101507462
Oh, Sayakafags. That explains all of the bitchy shitposting about how other girls are inferior. Should've known. Please stop making your girl look bad. She doesn't want a fat virgin like you, and even if you were attractive it wouldn't matter because she's lesbian and has a girlfriend. You're too shit for your waifu--kill yourself.
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>>101505809
>madoka's TINY arm
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How's the samefagging going for you OP?
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>>101507749
inb4 OP responds with a four-word response that sidesteps every point in this post
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>>101507798
>because she's lesbian and has a girlfriend.
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>>101507742
They could kill off Kyouko and the plot would barely be affected, The Rebellion did not any good for secondary characters except for making Sayaka a bearable character and giving Mami a partner.
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>>101507749
I don't get why she betrayed madoka and pulled her out of the law of the cycle, becoming antagonistic towards madoka.

If she'd just been saved like every other meguca, she goes to happy sunshine whatever it is where she spends eternity with madoka, which sounds like a win for homura to me.

But with this system, she corrupts what went down, possibly with some hefty consequences down the track, and quite possibly ends up with madoka hating her, which sounds like the opposite of what homura wants.

I followed most of it up until that point, I've been thinking it over, and the main thing I can gather is that it's to illustrate homura's selfish desires and the fact that she only cares about madoka, but then I remember other parts of the series, like the fact she didn't take the headshot on mami, which implies she cares a little bit about others suffering needlessly.

You could call it character progression, and I suppose a part of it is she's kind of losing her mind, and she does go half witch, which to me indicates she's lost most of her stability and her actions are no longer rational, which explains why she'd do something to fuck over everyone, (including possibly madoka) to get her hands on madoka again.
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>>101507881
I'd love to hear your explanation to And I'm Home, the canon ending song which doubles as a image song shared by Kyouko and Sayaka because they're too gay to have their own individual image songs.
Oh right, you have none, so all you can do is greentext with reaction images.
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>>101507798
To be honest even though Sayaka got a lot of spot light she didn't get any character development either outside of "well she's better now after going to Yuri Heaven, oh and she gay".
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>>101507979
OP, stop shitposting to make us, real Madokafans, look bad.
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>>101507885
They could kill off any one of the four support meguca. Where are you going with this? Do you have a point or are you just trying to be vindictive and start shit?
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>>101507885
I totes agree with you.
I was glad to see sayaka presented in a positive light, but I like all the megucas and they shafted mami and especially kyouko quite severely, you can argue it's all because homura edited everyones memories and shit to fit her whims, but it's disappointing to see kyouko do jack shit the whole movie.
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>>101508020
that's not me, I'm not a huge fan of the yuri side to madoka, I didn't mind it when it was subtle but in rebellion it was pretty much forced down my throat.
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>>101507979
Sayaka is still jealous of Kyousuke and Hitomi's relationship at the end of Rebellion. Also, there's no indication that Sayaka and Kyoko are dating. Please stop confusing your little headcanon with what actually happens.
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>>101507885
Okay, they could kill Kyoko then Kyoko wouldn't have the role she has in the plot (aiding Homura and helping her conduct a test) because she'd be dead. Excellent point.
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>>101508116
Homura noticed something was off right after they fought Hitomi's nightmare, if she wanted to make an experiment she could have tried going back to Tokyo by herself like some anon said before. But, yeah, Gen had to give Kyouko some minor role.
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>>101507887
Pretty tough to say. It's ambiguous as to exactly what being LoC entails. Is there a paradise or is everyone just part of a spiritual instrumentality?
Either way, Homura didn't wish for such happiness. She wanted Madoka to have her happy life back.
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>>101507270
>the franchise's called Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
>It's Homura's story, you guise! What else did you expect?
Maybe Shaft should retitle it then.
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I think we should focus in the important points, like how Mami beat the shit out of Homura for like the third time, even with Homura being dirty is fuck.
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>>101508221
>if she wanted to make an experiment she could have tried going back to Tokyo by herself
But she didn't think of that. She didn't think of a plan, she was alone until she asked Kyoko for help. The reason she asked Kyoko for help is because just like in the series, she would prefer not to do everything on her own.
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>>101508084
You mean the part where Sayaka realizes that she's actually alive again, in the real world, where she can see her friends Kyousuke and Hitomi again? Where she can say good morning to her mother (and Kyouko) every morning when she wakes up?
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>>101508282
So we should rename The Legend of Zelda, right?
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>>101508038
If they killed off Mami there wouldn't have been Bebe (a witch in a supposed witch-free world).
If they killed off Sayaka, we wouldn't have had that speech in the alley that opened Homura's mind.
Without Bebe and Sayaka, nobody would have carried Madoka's memories.
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>>101508252
I can't help but feel like it's going to go wrong though.

I'm not entirely sure but did homura take over the role or what? I can't help but feel like she wouldn't give a solid shit what happens to everyone when they're about to turn into witches.

I guess the thing that pisses me off about it is madoka was happy taking on the role, she said herself she couldn't be sad knowing that there were no more witches, so it really feels like homura has stuck a spanner in the works just to get what she wants.

They say it's the final chapter but it's so open ended (and I can sense like 100 different ways it can completely fuck up and ruin everything) that I can't help but feel it's not resolved yet.

If anything, it's less resolved than the original ending to the series was.
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>>101508334
That was actually the first time they fight and it was pretty close.
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>>101508334
It's the ribbons with the lock again. I bet Homura secretly enjoys it.

That said everyone seems to be able to beat Homura in her own dream world.
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>>101508486
>That said everyone seems to be able to beat Homura in her own dream world.
what
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>>101508486
That can be explained as homura's subconscious desire to not break the tiny little paradise she'd built for herself.
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>>101508349
Eh, did you forget Homura's words where she says she doesn't need to rely on anyone anymore?
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>>101508349
>because just like in the series, she would prefer not to do everything on her own.
>she would prefer not to do everything on her own.

What?
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>>101508540
Except that's bullshit, homura has never succeeded at anything she's attempted alone, the most success she ever has is with assistance (for example, she and madoka successfully kill walpurgis night, but alone homura just gets hammered)
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>>101508334
In gunkata they're equal, and between ribbons and timestop it simply depends on who surprises who. Why do you insist on making this a pissing contest?
Mami won because she had a calm mind and kept the pressure on Homura the entire time, as well as exploiting Homura's reliance on timestop. She played smart, and I loved it.

That said, Homura didn't use explosives, and the fight would've been over in seconds if it was Bowmura vs. Mami.
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>>101508349
>because just like in the series, she would prefer not to do everything on her own.

When did that happen? Didn't she say she was going to do everything on her own after she mercy killed Madoka? Or am I remembering wrong?
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>>101508282
Are you actually replying to everyone's posts with retarded shit like this on purpose, or does it come naturally?
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>>101508618
It pissed me off that homura didn't use any explosives in the movie at all.

They were her weapon of choice in every timeline for fucks sake. She only switched to bullet based weapons when she was working in a team.
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>>101508554
If she didn't want any help, she wouldn't ask Kyoko to help her fight Walpurgisnatch.
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>>101508413
>Reading comprehension
any one of them, not all of them at once.
According to you, Homura's world was going down before she ever talked to Kyouko. She talked to Kyouko before Bebe/Mami/Sayaka, so by extension she never needed conflict with the latter 3. Unless you'd like to backpedal again, anon.
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>>101508658
I guess she didn't use any explosives because gunkata is cooler than Homura just blowing Mami up and then Mami using a clone. It was for the sake of making the fight cooler.
>>101508655
He's right though. If Mami didn't nail Homura with the ribbon on her leg back at her apartment, the fight would be totally different. Not that it ultimately means anything, since the fact of the matter is that Mami does get the prerequisite to beating Homura down.
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>>101508658
She probably doesn't want to escalate too much or actually kill them. Plus everyone and their mum have explosive skills so it just raises the stakes. I bet even Sayaka got her exploding whip sword now.
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>>101508427
>I can't help but feel like it's going to go wrong though.
Who do you think you're talking about? She'll succeed in creating the happy world that only existed in everyone's dreams beforehand. She won't compromise one bit.

Akemi Homura is gonna be goddamn happy.
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>>101508658
She switched to bullet weapons so she wouldn't kill anyone, right. She didn't want to kill Mami, now did she?
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>>101508845
>She didn't want to kill Mami, now did she?
Nope. This movie shut up a lot of faggots who kept saying that Homura doesn't give a shit about other megucas than Madoka. If she wanted to kill Mami, all she has to do is fucking shoot the bitches Soul Gem when she's let her guard down (so she won't have a clone set up). She likes Mami-san though. Everyone loves Mami-san.
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>>101508964
>This movie shut up a lot of faggots who kept saying that Homura doesn't give a shit about other megucas than Madoka.
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>>101508737
>She talked to Kyouko before Bebe/Mami/Sayaka, so by extension she never needed conflict with the latter 3. Unless you'd like to backpedal again, anon.

Why do you think she wanted to make an experiment? She already suspected they couldn't get out of the city, that they were inside a witch barrier, and who's the only witch alive in that world?
By the way, I'm not the guy you were arguing with at first but he's got a point when he said Kyouko only accelerated the process of an imminent result.
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>>101508797
She didn't look that happy at the end.
She was smiling but that was the smile of a broken person, not a happy one.
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>>101508349
Asking Kyouko for help in the series was understandable because Homura can't beat Waluigi on her own.
Asking Kyouko for help in The Rebellion felt like it was just to give her some shallow role.
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>>101509151
And this is why The Rebellion Story is pure garbage in comparison to the series.
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>>101509151
Homura needed confirmation that she wasn't going crazy and that she wasn't the only one who felt like this world was weird. She didn't trust her own judgement and didn't want to be alone. It's not only that she thought she needed help, she WANTED it as well. You can write it off for your bullshit meta reason or you can try thinking about it.
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>>101509151
Homura wants the help of Kyoko in particular because she trust her more than other megucas. There's a reason she didn't ask Mami to help her fight Walpurgisnatch, but asked Kyoko right away. She goes to Kyoko when she needs help basically.
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>>101509095
If we believe The Fool arcana and the tune of "Mada Dame Yo" (which Homu is even humming along to in recordings that were cut from the final version), Homura's smiling because she's only just begun.
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>>101509251
>You can write it off for your bullshit meta reason
b-but $hinbo
muh 'Urobuchi's intended ending'
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>>101509362
Maybe because Mami was dead?
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>>101509251
If I take a bus to the outskirts and I end up going in circles no matter how many times I try, I know that it's not only me. The bus experiment could have easily been done without Kyouko.
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>>101509397
Do you really think she's going to be doing good things?

It's pretty clear that by the end Homura has gone completely off the rails, changing peoples memories as she sees fit, doing shit as she pleases, destroying and creating.

Does the phrase, mad with power mean anything to you? She's gone whack, there's no way in fucking hell someone as obsessed and broken as her will function as a benevolent god.

It's going to come crumbling down, and it's going to be ugly.
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>>101509439
Homura could have asked Mami from the very beginning back when she was alive. She didn't because she doesn't really trust Mami though.
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>>101508658
In the situation of Homu Mumi fight, throwing bombs were useless.
Only fast projctiles like bullet could hit target.
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>>101509439
No, Homura actually can't trust Mami to remain composed if she discovers the truth of meguca. Did you already forget timeline 3? Homura even brings the subject back up for forgetful viewers like you during Rebellion.
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>>101509444
>The bus experiment could have easily been done without Kyouko.
Okay? The whole series could have been done without any of the original characters, and could have just been done in a different way. But it is the way it is. What's your point? The fact is, she ask Kyoko for help because she wanted Kyoko's fucking help. That's the whole point you dense fuck. What part of this do you not understand?
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>>101509467
She's not a lunatic doing shit willy-nilly. She has a goal in sight and she's pursuing it.
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>>101509437
That shit is so annoying. I almost wish that they never even did interviews.
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>>101508797
>Akemi Homura is gonna be goddamn happy.
That's not a very funny joke.
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>>101509556
Just like Homura said, she must have kept an eye on Sayaka before she contracted, if Sayaka doesn't contract the truth wouldn't have been revealed. It's been stated in timeline 1 that Mami knows about Walpurgisnacht, teaming up with her was just a given.
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>>101509444
>I know that it's not only me.
Or you could be just going crazy.
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>>101509574
Except that's wrong. Kyouko was necessary in the series because she gave Sayaka a reality check, Kyouko's relevance in The Rebellion was completely trivial.
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>>101509822
Yuri pandering is not "trivial" faggot.
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>>101509822
>acting as Homura's friend and assitant is trivial
Not really. Just like Sayaka, Kyoko, and Mami, she served to further characterize Homura. They were all important.
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>>101509715
What's your point? That's a huge fucking risk to take on whether or not Sayaka contracts. She can't even get Madoka not to contract, let alone having to worry about TWO idiots. By teaming up with Mami, if Sayaka contracts, Homura is now stuck with a ticking time bomb that can do some serious damage once Sayaka dies.

If she teams up with Kyouko and only Kyouko instead she doesn't have to worry about that. Even if Oktavia has adverse effects on Kyouko it doesn't put Homura's life in danger.
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>>101509574
I find it ironic that in /a/'s zealousness in fighting 'pandering' as a shallow, valueless idea, they overlook all literary depth and ignore all of the narrative elements that actually tie the so-called 'pandering' to the other parts of the plot and are necessary to create a cohesive story.

In the first place, 'fanservice' is a meta concept that has almost no literary value. Authorial intent is a slippery slope. It's easy to assume a director/producer would appeal to the lowest common denominator to make a quick buck. But what about the author? What about Urobuchi? We've found out from interviews that Nagisa's inclusion was entirely his idea, because he is so amazed by the fan response to the series and the universe their imaginations have created. He's always talking about how the series has become bigger than him. Urobuchi -is- the free artist in this scenario, and he wrote Nagisa into his very first draft. He obviously thinks she has merit.
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>>101509695
It seriously is, and it hasn't stopped since the Japanese premier.
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>>101510052
>He's always talking about how the series has become bigger than him.
Butcher is a cool guy. He could easily be an arrogant prick if he wants to, considering Madoka's success.
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>>101509908
>That's a huge fucking risk to take on whether or not Sayaka contracts

How's so? Mami managed to do fine the timelines Sayaka didn't contract, sure there were timelines where Charlotte killed her but if she didn't die it was still helpful to have her on Homura's side. Sayaka contracting only means danger, not only to Mami (because every time Sayaka contracts she turns into a witch) but also to Madoka (remember she tried to wish for her a few times), why would Homura not worry about that?
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>>101509822
I think you missed the point of the post your replied to. The point is that it doesn't matter what it could have been, because that's not the way it is. You could have taken the original series and removed all the characters and made something else entirely. But that's not what happens, the original series as we know it is what exists. You can't use what could have been as a criticism for what is. You could have removed Kyoko from Rebellion, but thinking about it like that is valueless because that's not the way Rebellion is. Look at the happenings of Rebellion and analyze them rather than disregarding aspects based on personal whim.
>this is just pandering shit that's the only reason it's there!
>muh fanservice ruined this!
>urobuchi original ending was ruined by $hinbo
Just stop the meta shit. Please.
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>>101504886
She contributed to the Aniplex wallet.
Merchandising. Merchandising.
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>>101510427
>The point is that it doesn't matter what it could have been, because that's not the way it is

It does matter because this movie is fucking terrible for being the way it is.
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>>101510471
You have shit taste then. That's your problem, not mine. Fuck off.
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>>101510382
Are you arguing against me? Because you're just proving my point.
>Sayaka contracting only means danger
which is the exact reason Homura doesn't seek her help to begin with, since there is a risk involved in doing so.

It is possible she can get Mami as a useful asset (assuming Homura has the social skills to do so, which is dubious, but that's besides the point), but Homura doesn't have any way to guarantee that Sayaka doesn't contract short of killing her, and that would upset Madoka. Because of that, there is a high risk involved with getting involved with Mami. In the happenstance that Sayaka contracts, then Homura is potentially screwed because Sayaka will inevitably fail and then Mami will proceed to freak the fuck out. It's better to not be standing next to her when that happens.

By going to Kyouko instead, it doesn't matter whether or not Sayaka contracts, Kyouko isn't going to try to kill Homura or Madoka when Sayaka dies.
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>>101510382
The only reason Homu doesn't ask Mami for help is because she doesn't like or trust her. Not sure if she likes Kyoko but she definitely trusts her.
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>>101510427
The series is perfect as it is, The Rebellion isn't because of that load of crap you greentexted.

>>101510488
At least some people don't like to eat shit like you.
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>>101510589
You're just so stupid and beyond saving. Kill yourself.
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>>101510052
Are you implying that if they saw the popularity of charlotte and went
'Yo urobuchi, we need more charlotte in the third movie for the fans, write it in.'
Urobuchi would admit that publicly?

While I'm not saying there's no possibility you're right and urobuchi really did want to put her in, I think my interpretation is just as likely, and makes more sense, I've seen several of urobuchi's works and one thing that recurs a lot is good characters, but nagisa did so little and barely has any character to speak of, which makes me hesitant to believe urobuchi put his best effort behind her.

She feels wedged in.

AND HER EYES DON'T MATCH HER HAIR.

UME-SENSEI WOULD TURN IN HER GRAVE IF SHE WAS DEAD
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>>101510645
>AND HER EYES DON'T MATCH HER HAIR.
>UME-SENSEI WOULD TURN IN HER GRAVE IF SHE WAS DEAD
Neither do Homura's or Godoka's, get rekt you fucking nerd.
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>>101510645
>Aoki: "I think the hurdles are pretty high for a new girl appearing after everything, so I drew [Nagisa] to this desperate mantra of, 'please let her turn out cute, please let the fans love her!' "
Ume-tentei designed her and you don't even think she's cute!!
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>>101510780
I want to love Nagisa but it takes more than being super cute, which she is by the way.
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>>101510780
It was a joke guys.
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>>101510834
>i was only pretending to be retarded
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>>101510645
>I think my interpretation is just as likely, and makes more sense
Holy fuck, who cares? Does it really matter whether she was put in earlier or later? It's been consistently demonstrated ITT that she was plot-relevant, so really arguing the point that OP was complaining about is fucking moot.
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>>101510814
I beg to differ, considering that Nagisa is the Nazuna of the group. She's a moeblob who gets paired up with the lewd girl.
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>>101510889
I was gonna argue but your filename made me laugh hard enough that I can't stay mad.
>>101510943
Nazuna is the worst hidamari and you know that.
she's still good though
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>>101510834
don't pay heed to
>>101510870

That anon's been trying to troll for hours. In fact you can just waive any unusually retarded posts as his.
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>>101511000
Don't let her hear you say that.
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>>101510529
Homura doesn't team up with Kyouko because it's safer with her, Homura asks her because, unlike Mami, Kyouko had no idea about Walpurgis coming to Mitakihara, Homura needed to ask her and explain the situation.

>it doesn't matter whether or not Sayaka contracts

It does matter because Kyouko always end up risking her life to save Sayaka and, in the last timeline, she also put Madoka in danger.
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It was one of the more aesthetically exciting things.
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>>101511377
I wonder if she could always do that, or if that was an extension of her mastery over her witch form.
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>>101511377
I'm still waiting on Bebeface doujinshi. Japan, are you even trying?
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>>101511442
I assumed that was an extension of her witch-transformation power as an archangel meguca, but you bring up a good point. She wished for cheese, so maybe her wish magic was the whole "dish bitches up and eat them" thing?
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>>101509503
>What is air burst?
>what are launchers?
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>>101511360
I don't see why Kyouko's ignorance would make her a better candidate as opposed to her ability to not fucking murder everyone at the first sign of trouble. That generally makes a person more reliable.

In addition her risking her life to save Sayaka does not put Homura in serious danger, and Madoka going with Kyouko is not a direct result of Homura teaming up with her; Kyouko acted on her own accord and it was Homura's fault.
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>>101512095
I forgot to add that working with Mami endangers Madoka AND Homura no matter what if Sayaka becomes a witch; if it's Kyouko it's just Madoka and had Homura been more alert she probably could have stopped her.
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>>101512044
>What is timestop?
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>>101512267
>What is context?
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>>101512267
>What is AI YO?
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>>101512430
Baby don't hurt me no more
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>>101508964
She didn't get all her memories at this time and she was excited to have new friends. Real Homura (Bowmura) and devil Homura doesn't give a fuck about others. Her memory is full of ai yo.
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>>101505488
>friend
There are no real friendships between the megucas.
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rawr
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reminder that the pandering story is not canon
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what's the pandering story? stay on topic anon
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>>101512044
She can't set anything up because her advantage of timestop had been removed. She could've used bombs maybe but mami was staying pretty close so she runs the risk of blowing herself up with them.
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>>101516253
Why are her eyes 8 miles apart?
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>>101516382
>what is rocket jumping
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She's pretty hot, I'm still waiting for someone to do an uncensored version of this,
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>yfw Nagisa is the main character for season 2
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Homura did nothing wrong.
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>>101504886
1) Held onto Madoka's powers in the dream world
2) Since the powers were split between two entities it was less likely to fall to QB
3) Got Mami on their side by building trust so she didn't turn rebel when QB started laying down trickery bombs
4)Since Walpugis was actually like twenty witches rolled into one and thus doesn't count, Bebe is probably one of the strongest single witches to bring to this party to wreck shit in the end.

Meanwhile Sayaka built up trust with Kyouko to get her on their side as well, so that she could also be on their side for the final battle rather than potentially falling for QB's schemes. That's one advantage Homura never had for Time-lines, she needed more than one person working people over in the crowd in order to get everyone on her side there.
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>>101518226
Those are just excuses they used to put Nagisa in the movie when in fact there was no reason for Sayaka wouldn't take care of everything alone.
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>>101518226
>Walpugis was actually like twenty witches rolled into one
Wait when did this happen
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>>101518860
Before Rebellion
>Sayaka is a useless bitch

After Rebellion
>Nagisa is a useless bitch, Sayaka could've handled it all by herself
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>>101517074
You disgust me.
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>>101518942
Data Books

>In the last episode we saw the "Walpurgis Night", but what kind of witch is it specifically?
>It has the destructive power to bring about natural disasters powerful enough to blow away an entire town, but originally it was a single witch. It's a witch that has grown from the combination of countless other witches. Walpurgis Night combines with other witches in the same way two powerful tornadoes are able to combine and become larger. It's essentially a "conglomeration"-type witch. Because it's so powerful, it rarely shows itself. The design we used was actually the very first one we received from Inu Curry*, but when we saw it we all thought "Damn this is good." I myself had imagined a more Godzilla looking monster (laughter), and I must admit when I first saw that crazy looking upside-down ballerina I thought to myself "What the heck is this thing?" * - A design studio, they've done some stuff with Gainax and (obviously) SHAFT.

>>101518860
Sayaka could have handled it all on her own in the same sense as Homura could have done it all on her own in the original series. In the sense of "Not at all, it's just more likely to be fucked up somehow trying to handle it alone like that".
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>>101519028
That what Yuri Valhalla do for you, anon.
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>>101519108
Also we see at the end of the series when Madoka busts open Walmart that like twelve or so magical girls are inside.
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>>101518860
no, she actually can't do shit exept being edgy with powers from law of cycles.
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>>101519028
Anyone with a sane mind would know that Sayaka was only included to pander to Sayakafags. Her role in the movie is laughable.
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>>101519108
Except that the problem of Homura was that she had no social skills at all, that's not the case with Sayaka.
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>>101519260
Nooo, every sayakafag believes she got super important role in Rebellion.
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>>101518860
She's also there to be an early on clue and misdirection towards the truth of the film. Think about it, you see what was a villain in the original series hanging around you wonder "What's going on here?"

Since so many people seem to forget that witches aren't villains to begin with, but rather they are just what magical girls are one bad day away from becoming here. So in the movie she serves as a point of wonder, which leads to Homura confronting her to see if she's the source of this Barrier around the town. People seem to like the first half of the movie generally so I'd say that worked out pretty well; in order for a good mystery story to work you often need an early on misdirection in regards to who the culprit might be. Sayaka and Madoka being alive could also be a point of wonder of sorts, but it's not enough as most people would just think "Oh, this must be an alternate time-line" with that sort of clue.
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>Think about it, you see people who were dead in the original series hanging around you wonder "What's going on here?"
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best girl
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>>101516473
Anon, you've been playing far too much UT99
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>>101519621
Read the last line; Sayaka and Madoka do note something is odd, but it seems like alt-time-line at first when you're just seeing that. Seeing a witch hanging around shows that something really is wrong since witches are an impossibility, and it's a good early on misdirection towards the culprit.
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>>101519760
How can someone be so wrong?
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>>101517170

Kyouko is a better Kancolle.
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Nagisa is super cute
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>>101520906
Maybe, but her regular MH outfit is fucking retarded.
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>>101520906
homu is more cute
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>>101521041

Humu a shit.
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>>101520906
Aye
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>>101520961
Am I being retard, or does MH not stand for anything?
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>>101521100
Nice facebook filename.
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>>101521218
Hmm, I was thinking of Mahou Shoujo but it turned into Milky Holmes by mistake.

Silly me.
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>>101521330
Thank god, I thought I was going insane.

Anyway I think it suits an autistic elementary-schooler.



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