Well, this might explain why most female characters in animu are plain, unidimensional, oversexualized and boring.
Which board are you from?
>Mfw Nausicaa is a female power fantasy
The reason most female characters in anime are plain, undimensional, oversexualized and boring is because they use the shitty Ghibli girls as inspiration.
I came here hoping somebody would post this.
Miyazaki is 100% correct, the anime industry is turning to otaku's making anime for otaku's.
It's absolutely disgusting. Now you see a bunch of anime with oversexualized children.
Otaku's are single handedly ruining the anime business and making it lifeless and for pedophiles
Here we go again, to another 500 posts!
Ghibli girls are just asexual and boring.
Yes, but that's not the point. Half of them don't go five minutes without getting a panty shot.
This pasta had potential, but it just gets worse and worse with every post.
Don't remember Chihiro having any panty shots, I just remember a movie about a strong girl overcoming obstacles.
/v/ probably. Why else would they post the late escapist re-post of this news,
Get a load of this manime fag.
Imma enjoy my glorious otaku pandering shows that keep the industry healthy.
did slowtaku cover this yet?
Funny, I remember her being a cry-baby with naive morals who needed the strong boy to save her.
He's from whatever is the endless link spamming board, was in with the evangelion thread earlier plugging this kind of shit, along with quotations.
Don't let him bother you, he's just trying to be a pain for whatever reason. Thinks he's "proving" something.
The thing is it's show like the otaku based shows that are killing the industry
The only panty shots (if you could even call it that) I remember seeing in Studio Ghibli films were in My Neighbour Totoro and Kiki's Delivery Service, but they were entirely unsexualised.
It's pretty ridiculous by this point. They got it from Anime News Network who got it from Rocket News 24 who translated it from golden times.
Read this version before posting:
Oh, you guys are talking about THESE kinds of "strong female characters".
I partly think he's just a pretentious cranky old prude who makes decent movies sometimes.
And I partly think he has a few good points.
Industry does not rely on gaijin to survive, son I can't be bothered with it. I only want more likable girls like pic related
>it's not sexualised because I say so
but muh BD sales
The funny thing about /v/ disliking otaku is that their hobby has been overrun with normals and has turned into AAA mass marketed movie-game shit for normals when games used to just be for kids and nerds.
This threads been made multiple times today with the same jpg and all. It's sad that I witnessed all of them. Please stop posting.
Yeah killing it with all their BD and merch sales. They are choking to death on money.
im from /v/ and I can tell you that your industry is going the way of ours, cod rains supreme and everyone wants its audience.
OK, let's remove all the otaku shows so we're left with glorified toy commercials and 0 budget left for shows that are occasionally made for non-otaku.
Man I don't know if it's just really late at night or if you can't type for shit, but this post makes less sense the more I read it.
I think you're implying anime budgets are a zero sum game between all studios for some reason? I dunno.
Shows that aren't made for otaku rarely do well. CoD is a series that sells millions worldwide, you can't use it as an accurate comparison to anything in the anime industry.
Non-otaku aren't buying the goddamned product even when it is made for them.
>im from /v/
>oversexualized and boring.
Don't you think these things contradict each other?
>over a week late
Congratulations /v/, the only way you could have been more of a faggot is if you posted kotaku.
The ping pong hipstershit next season is a guaranteed flop, btw.
Stop posting this
Because nobody but otaku regularly spend money on BDs and merch. Once and a while you get a super big hit that sells really well among normals, but you can't model your entire business around big hits. Majority of shows are only bought by hobbyists, so you market to hobbyists.
What does cod have to do with anime or video games?
Thats a type of fish you idiot
Lets see what happens when you make shows for non otaku.
> Aku no Hana
>Kids on the Slope
sold like shit
Normal fag fans don't buy stuff even when it's given to them.
Make sure it is mentioned in every one of these threads that he was not talking about stories or character design, he was just talking about animation.
Doesn't matter. I agree with this mistranslated quote.
The headline is definitely misleading and morons jump right on it.
What exactly does this mean?
If Aku no Hana had the same art style as the manga I bet the Otaku would've been all over it
It means, people don't read the source article.
Cod sells millions worldwide, its the best selling thing ever in vidya. Companies try to get its audience all the time. There also exist a few niches that still sell but by far all the companies strive to be like cod.
Its a good comparison, stop being so retarded.
Miyazaki is saying that the characters don't physically move like people because animators don't spend enough time with people to understand how they move.
He is not talking about moe.
Yeah it's all those horrible otakus, they barge into offices and make studios draw moeshit. They obviously are the problem, not the fact that Miyazaki regurgitates same tropes every damn time he makes a movie.
jesus /a/ is being really dumb today
cod is not niche, cod is the popular
cod sells millions worldwide
otaku does too
Everything not pandering to it doesnt do well
cod = otaku
He's doing a fine job promoting his movies by bashing part of his fanbase, even if few.
Oh my, a white knight central being against anything with sexualized females, what a shock.
I doubt Miyazaki cares. He has his own fans. His most popular movies sell in million copies.
>cod sells millions worldwide
>otaku does too
anime doesn't sell millions worldwide, most shows made for otaku sell between 3 - 5k with most money made from merchandise and sales from the source material. Big hits can sell from between 15 - 40k but again it's rare. Anime is a niche industry for otaku, CoD is a mainstream videogame sold and marketed to millions of normal people.
Can people from /v/ actually read?
COD = Sells millions worldwide
Anime = niche industry for otaku
The only anime that actually sells in millions are Miyazaki movies.
>>The only Japanese animation that actually sells in millions are Miyazaki movies.
That & TMS western productions.
>industry makes a fuckton of shows that any normal person would go "that's fucking weird"
>Be surprised when they want nothing to do with it.
People won't be too horrified if a 30-40 something revealed he was a bit of a gunota, but if he revealed he was an anime otaku people would be.
Don't waste your time, /v/ thinks Neptunia and Atelier games are Japan's CoD. They just throw "CoD" around at anything they dislike.
Well within that niche you can still compare it to cod, though at a smaller scale. You look at the bulk of what is being sold and to whom its being sold and you will see that these industries look very similar, if you subtract a zero or few and tune down your autism.
Because people in industries think alike. In vidya people pander to the cod demographic and quality suffers because of it, diversity withers and the same is happening in anime. The bulk of it is moe bullshit that op describes with the best anime sitting in the past, like cowboy bebop, logh etc. (planescape, diablo series etc.)
>the problem with anime are the people that watch it
It's honestly true, given that nerds are sub-human, or at least excessively quirky, but they're also the reason the industry exists at all.
The screening was enjoyable because we received a large number of entries with a variety of content reflecting the current situation in animation. The works varied from those of a commercial level to long features for theater showing. It was a plus to realize that animation is about to grow out of the experimental stage of digital technology. However, one negative effect could be that the works showed poor quality in story creation and composition, both indispensable for film making. Even for the production of animation, a theatrical sense is essential. I must stress that concept is essential. Seen in that light, this year’s selections include factors that I could not affirm entirely; however, there was the issue of the contemporary aspect being more critical. Especially among the commercially based works, we came across a weakness in literary quality and theatrical composition. I hope that everyone will rise to a point where they feel that “we must aim for theatrical quality.”
Still rings true today.
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Anime Industry survives off otaku money, normalfags don't buy shit.
No, what you're doing is saying "I don't like CoD, therefore the type of anime that sells well it Japan - which I dislike - is comparable to CoD." There is no faithful comparison between CoD and anime to be made.
normalfags don't buy shit because they don't want anything to do with it because of all the creepy otaku shit unless it's so big it's it's own thing.
Jesus fuck off to /v/ already, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
>>normalfags don't buy shit.
TMS says other wise.
Otakus are where money are in that industry. You put minimal effort into drawing cute girls with non-existing plot and get huge profits from it. And you can't do anything about it, you have to chose either making something of quality and get underpaid or make something popular and get lots of money.
Great anime you got there.
It means that he's full of shit when it comes to animation. since, you know, all of his characters look exactly the same.
thats just your opinion man, the decline of quality and originality is a direct comparison. The vidya industry realized that it could appeal to wannabe soldier children. The anime industry realized it could appeal to the waifu fags within the otaku demographic.
Both industries then proceeded to be centered around them. Leaving those who are not like them scrapping for tiny bits while seeing the majority of releases as trash.
>You put minimal effort into drawing cute girls
Except these shows have some of the best budget and animation in the industry for the last 5 years.
Miyazaki is apparently above it all.
Thanks, How I Spent My Vacation is the swan song of TMS OVAs.
I have no idea why Warner Bros used such crummy box art for the DVD release however.
Your problem is in thinking that the anime industry has taken some kind of dramatic change and that shows of Cowboy Bebop's quality were regularly churned out every season. That isn't the case and never has been. Most of the tropes and cliches that exist in anime today originated a long time ago. You underestimate how long waifufags have existed for and how long they've been pandered to. The videogame industry may never see a crash again but the anime one is guaranteed a crash in the next 30 - 50 years. Otaku is all it has left.
Just look at /a/, and see the reactions to anything that tries to stick to the mainstream or tries to be acceptable to casuals.
No, they don't buy shit because anime isn't important to them. Even when anime is marketed right to normalfags they don't buy it. The only time normalfags drop money on BDs is if it's a huge fad like SnK or something, where it's trendy to be into it. They have no seasonal buying habits because they don't watch seasonal anime. Otaku are a much better demographic to target.
Jesus, does NO ONE research shows anymore? You seem so sure that the industry appeals to otaku, But when facts and different lists from past seasons show you otherwise, you'd still cling to that statement.
/a/ reacts that way to keep /v/ off of this board.
He's an artist and also old. Old people are programmed to think everything is going to hell in a handbasket.
It's like people who claim that music is getting bad because they only remember the stuff that was worth remembering.
Where are these facts and lists?
>30 - 50 years
Not any sooner?
Let's say you make pillows, and you have a market of 5000 people. But your pillows are a specific kind of pillow, which you know are bought by 10% of the market. That's 50 pillows you know you'll sell.
Now, the pillow market is highly fragmented, and you decide, hey, let's try and capture more of the market. You start researching the specifics of other pillow companies, what appeals to their buyers and such. You add down innards, silk seams, etc. And you manage to expand to 15% of the market. But you're still barely making a profit due to the increased cost of adding all these features to your pillows.
That's the state of the anime industry today. What Miyazaki is saying is that the people that buy these pillows are now the ones making the pillows, and they only make and buy pillows that they like.
>>Even when it is marketed right to normalfags, they don't buy it.
TMS says otherwise.
There has been a demographic shift, you'd be blind not to notice. There have always been cute shows, because that's what japan does. But back in the day there was a lot of shows aimed at various ages, and some was all ages stuff which still sorta exists but is mostly gundam, which meant that it was possible to grow up with the anime you were choosing to watch, now you sorta, can't do that as much, it's so top heavy in the young adult category compared to the past.
Are we gonna have this every day?
I'd say I'm 50/50 on his comments, I can understand where he is coming from but this is what sells these days these cutie females who are tsun or nice.
Here's one example and this from years ago, the argument is getting stale.
>hurr moe was invented only recently
>nobody made anime about cute girls before Lucky Star!
Retards, I swear.
Though it's a fact music nowdays sounds more generic. Not as much as old people would have you believe, but we did lose a lot of vocal range at some point and pop songs started to approach the same base cobination of instruments more often.
Not that this is entirely new, but it is a measurable thing.
>The videogame industry may never see a crash again
Its only lifeline is mostly fifa and cod. The mmo part of it is dead, wow tanked and only eve online is doing okay. Bioware is dead. Ton of shitty mobile apps are being made. Only indy shit is bringing something new to the table. Stalker is also dead. Some studios who bring out the witcher are still okay though. The rest is kinda shitty. Compared to the past, we are also almost dead and/or dying.
Our two industries are pretty alike, almost like we are bound to the words capitalistic depression/decay.
>daicon 4 on that list
>a short animation made for the opening ceremony of a sci-fi convention on a list of "shows"
>The mmo part of it is dead
F2P MMOs churn out 21b/yr. It's far from dead.
I'd say that's mostly the sad result of us having more control over our music because of the rise of incredible digital manipulation. Same thing with anime, really, as old stuff was handrawn and a little messy by necessity.
In this case, the genericness is a result of an increase in quality, not a decrease, though as a result we've lost something else.
well okay, you proven your point fairly. Its hard to really know when the only thing you get recommended from the past are good shows. But the same thing really goes for vidya. Though since its a newer medium our starting period produces a little bit more better works. Yet we are also reaching the staleness period now.
But normalfags have never been interested in anime outside of the shit they watched as kids. It's just a fucking fact that normalfags won't buy really any anime. The only reason a lot of them bought into SnK is because it's just anime TWD and now they don't care and moved on and wont' be back for another 5 years.
I don't understand
You hate CoD which is a serious game about war and fighting and you hate the fact that its influenced people to make even more serious games about war and fighting yet you also want all anime to be serious and about war and fighting while hating all other anime that isn't?
You talk about diversity yet it doesn't seem like that is actually what you want
You just want things to be flipped around so that everything panders to you rather than who it's pandering to now but you also have no leverage or ambition to make such a thing happen so you complain about it on /a/ instead
>"So, Tarou-kun, I've heard you've been watching quite a lot of anime lately."
>"Y-yes, Miyazaki-san. Recently, I've been watching this show called Ch-Chuunibyou - "
>"WRONG! Stop working at once, you autistic moeshit-loving otaku. Don't come back until you've spent some time observing REAL women."
>CoD which is a serious game about war and fighting
That's not what he's saying at all you fuck wit, he was talking about animation styles not resembling life due to the sheltered nature of the people animating them.
And your analogy is stupidly simplified because anime is entertainment: each product is unique and its quality changes over time, not to mention that each studio is competing against the others as well as against other entertainments. You understand maybe a quarter of what makes up the anime industry.
Everyday until you like it.
I swear to god, every time I come to /a/, I see this exact same fucking thread for the past several 3 or 4 weeks.
Look at the ratings for Space Dandy. 1.3 million viewers, even more than Bleach and Naruto Shippuden.
Normalfags love anime as long as it's not too weird, like Rotte no Omocha or Infinite Stratos.
Miyazaki-san, I have a dat- an opportunity to research a real woman in the wild today. May I be excused from work?
They should dedicate generals to this shit.
Yet most of them are in decline and unstable. The ONLY stable mmo right now out there is eve online. Wow is losing subscribers. Elders scrolls online is already hated upon even by the normal fags before its release. Tera and the other mmos that came out before these yeasr are almost dead.
The only few slivers of hope are experimental things like dayz, star citizen and hopefully source engine 2 and its varying mods that it will produce.
SP games are also pretty much shit. There is almost nothing to look forward to besides EA getting destroyed by the recession and normalfags who one day may also get bored of fifa #354967
Don't forget shit like the Lupin tv specials can get like 33% viewership
Was this anime worth watching?
I dropped it part way through the first episode because of the shitty depiction of england which really annoyed me
Vidya will most likely have a crash, but I somewhat still have hope.
especially that even KIDS are starting to get bored of generic FPS games.
>But back in the day there was a lot of shows aimed at various ages,
Actually there were barely any shows, period. The industry exploded in the 90s with waves and waves of OVAs and production has only increased since then. Variety of shows has only gone up since 2000, we get more shows in a season now than used to air all year 30 years ago.
You are a retard.
How many of them do you think are going to buy the blu-rays where most of the money comes from? They won't because they really don't care. Also don't act like their watching Space Dandy for any reason outside of the fact that it's from the dude that made Cowboy Bebop AKA that anime they watched as kids.
How do you explain the popularity of Miyazaki films around the world? Or Mamoru Hosoda?
It's not animation that makes it so appealing, it's the story.
And, more importantly, all mmo's are shit. The only reason EVE is stable is because of sunk costs and severe autism.
Normalfags love anime when they hear the magic words - Gainax, Miyazaki, Watanabe, Kon, Yuasa etc
No one bought Apollon.
Miyazaki actually speaks English fluently, and when he's not crafting masterpieces he spends his time shitposting on /a/ about "moeshit garbage."
But that's not TV anime.
I bet not even 1% of those 1.3 million will buy a BD.
>It's not animation that makes it so appealing, it's the story.
This is the irony of Miyazaki focusing purely on complaining about the animation.
No one bought Kaiba.
>normalfags even knowing what any of those words mean
Can that term just fucking die already? I went reddit to co-opt it just so people stop flinging it around without any rhyme or reason.
which is a damn shame because sakamichi no apollon was fucking brilliant
The industry really exploded in 1981 with TMS' Ulysses 31, before that we were in a dark age, TMS changed all of that.
I found your answer. Film is not the same thing as a TV program. Film has had people arguing for its artistic merit for nearly a hundred years now, TV programs, especially animated ones, are still considered trash by critics.
>there were barely any shows period
Okay, so when 3 shows are aimed at kids, 3 shows at teens, all at varying ages, and 1 shows maybe aimed at adults and 1 at otaku at best (the numbers are random in this example), the ratios are skewered in a totally different way which creates and entirely different perception to the outsider. When your industry is 20 shows aimed at the "anime fans" and 1 or 2 kids shows maybe, that's what people see, they start to see it as a thing for kids and losers. They don't care about the one or two interesting things because the perception is there.
I'm only talking about perception of the industry, and how it makes people wary of it.
In an alternate universe where they stuck to the premise and not the source material.
Not talking about critics though, but about general audiences and what they would buy or watch.
I'm missing my '81 chart, but I'm not seeing anything close to an explosion in the aftermath of '81.
It was alright.
But distribution matters.
Because most people watched Miyazaki when they were kids. Also you're comparing shows and films which is just dumb. Also none of those people that like said things have probably ever tried to watch anime season to season because they don't care enough about it. They'll just watch whatever anime is on Netflix and then they'll watch something that isn't anime. Most normalfags do not care enough about anime to pander to them, so the industry doesn't.
How about studios change their revenue model. Who in the whole fucking world except for nip otakus buy physical media?
Exactly though. The industry doesn't pander to them, and it shouldn't pander to them or make shows designed solely to pander to Otaku interests. It should be making series every season for a general audience, that can be license and put on television.
>wanting 2D to emulate 3DPD
Id have to kinda agree with you, but not because of autisms alone. Though spreadsheets might be boring. Those who can get past them are rewarded with a niche sandbox world and unparalleled options while the rest of the devs outside of them are busy trying to copy wow. Personally I cant play eve online because I hate the lack of direct ship control.
I really do hope so.
But the state of our industry is so bad that I actually have to go outside now so I wont get bored to death. Goddamn vidya industry.
>Who in the whole fucking world except for nip otakus buy physical media?
And this is why they can't change their business model. Piracy and not enough interest outside of Japan.
>listening to a pro-Imperial japan guy
top lel. He literally devoted an entire movie to the creation of the planes that bombed Pearl harbor.
Well that's what you get when you have an industry taken over by NERDS
As opposed to figuratively?
It's the best model they have for making money, and it does in fact make them money. The industry is alive and well, and production of shows remains very high and stable.
meh i'll not bother then
Well... I live in Australia. Third world internet. I buy physical media where I can.
>It should be making series every season for a general audience, that can be license and put on television.
None of them would make it here at this point. Kids don't really care about anime here anymore unless they get into it by luck. There's plenty of stuff aimed at general audiences as well. It's just no one outside of nipland cares that much about anime and isn't actively seeking it out. There's a reason new Toonami is on at night one time a week and it's because nobody is watching anime here besides otaku besides a few things here and there like SnK and Miyazaki.
But what he's mostly referring to is the technical side of the industry
>it shouldn't pander to them or make shows designed solely to pander to Otaku interests
Why? Because you say so? They make good money off of otaku because otaku are actually willing to buy stuff.
> It should be making series every season for a general audience, that can be license and put on television.
They do. And they make no fucking money off of them because the "general audience" doesn't buy BDs. How fucking stupid are you? Get it through your head: they make money from merch. Otaku buy merch. Normals do not buy merch.
Apart from the female designs, I still have nightmares.
That's like saying kids don't care about cartoons.
If it gets on at the right times, is marketed right, and is the sort of thing that would appeal to them, they'll get into it.
Toonami is different because it's aimed at an older audience, but the material that appeals to them can't be shown profitably during prime time television.
It's clickbait phrasing. Besides, no one in this thread actually reads the article.
No one cares. They'd rather shit-talk the imaginary wall of harem anime you're apparently supposed to go through before you get another Bebop.
Wait, wait, wait. Do you even know how Japanese broadcasting works?
>That's like saying kids don't care about cartoons.
>Toonami is different because it's aimed at an older audience, but the material that appeals to them can't be shown profitably during prime time television.
Bleach and Naruto are aimed at an older audience? Seriously?
>That's like saying kids don't care about cartoons.
They really don't. It's mostly teenagers and college students watching most popular cartoons. Look at Adventure Time and Regular Show. Those shows are less for kids than most of the stuff on Toonami.
>aimed at older audience
only if you're watching Robot Chicken and Sealab
Just make something more serious and mature but with plenty of action (Breaking Bad). There you go, a perfect anime for everyone.
They are. Seriously.
Stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh and Duel Masters is aimed at kids. Things with explicit violence like Naruto and Bleach are aimed at a more mature audience, 14+.
Those were aimed at an older audience, and the audience LAPPED IT UP. We loved it! If you look at the demographic ratings for them, in 14 and up age groups it scored fairly high for a cartoon. But toy sales (merch) failed, or were killed off because the suits decided that it wouldn't be profitable to make merch. That's why the DC Nation block keeps getting canned; the suits aren't seeing the merch being bought by young children despite good ratings.
>That's like saying kids don't care about cartoons.
They don't. Not compared to the 80s and 90s. There are new forms of entertainment that TV shows have to compete against, namely video games, which are fucking everywhere now.
Just look at how the major cartoon stations in the west have fallen: Nickelodeon, Disney, and Cartoon Network. They are empty shells, producing next to no new content and piling on re-runs of old shows. Nickelodeon reruns of Spongebob episodes that have been airing for a decade are the highest rated programs on that channel. It's fucking sad, nostalgia is the only thing keeping western animation afloat because the youth are not interested.
Kids don't care that much about what they are watching apart from a 'cool' factor and a kid won't really get most of the references/jokes/whatever and will follow along only to see the bad guy crushed.
I've got 8-year old cousins and 5-year old brothers. They love My Little Pony, Yu-Gi-Oh 5ds, and some stupid thing called Slug Terra. Kids like cartoons, they like watching TV.
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Do you honestly think something like this has never been made before?
May I remind you that Genndy butcher Osamu Dezaki's last chance to redeem him self after almost a whole decade of wasted talent in the 2000s, he died shortly after it was canned.
Almost the same as US broadcasting, but with alot more support from sponsors as the network dose not give you enough money for said show (for most shows & networks like TV Tokyo & TV Asahi).
Can't think of any show.
>Things with explicit violence like Naruto and Bleach are aimed at a more mature audience, 14+.
You must be from /co/ to think "mature" belongs in the same sentence as Bleach or Naruto. It's marketed to teenage boys for crying out loud.
>Yu-Gi-Oh aimed at children
>Bleach and Naruto not
Yu-Gi-Oh is also a shounen, retard.
Teenage boys aren't children. At least not in marketing parlance nor when you're talking about demographic ratings. 14 and up is when studios start making slightly more complex stories and better quality animation, with more explicit violence or themes.