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deconstruct the Shounen genre
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>>101500648
>deconstruct
>Shounen genre
>genre
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>>101500648
the latest dbz movie.
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>>101500648
>shounen
>genre
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Give the MC all the qualities of an endgame superboss and subtly turn fights into a clash of morals while at the same time emphasizing how brutal the MC can be.
Basically Bleach
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Hard work doesn't get you shit.
There is always someone better than you at something.
Its much easier to use underhanded and pragmatist tatics than hot blooded fighting.

ETC ETC ETC
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Make the protagonist lose, because he was ill prepared and just believing in his own power wasn't enough against superior tactics and possibly being outnumbered.
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>>101500648
Make the protagonist morally reprehensible but extremely relatable. Make the fight lost on the onset, because of something beyond the MC's control or knowledge. The MC should be aware he is being used to advance a plot. May or may not have second thoughts. Maybe. Possibly. Instead of being a convenient self sufficient orphan, the MC has a controlling parent which gets in the way of his life, and ultimately helps in his downfall. Each episode uncovers more secrets, sometimes secretly. Cue end, nothing is explained.

Oh, and worst girl wins.
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Fate Zero
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>>101505337
basically Valvrave
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>>101500648
>shounen genre
>tfw no good post-shonen albums out there.
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>>101504026
This actually doesn't sound too bad
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>/a/ in charge of knowing what deconstruction means
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>>101500648
'Shounen' (少年漫画, shōnen): Shit, to be shit, objectively bad. e.g. "This is a shounen anime", implying it is shit. [1][2]
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>>101506108
Don't worry, I've read the tvtropes page too
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>>101506108
It means that things go from bad to worse, everyone is a cynical asshole and in the end everybody dies? Right?
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>>101502527
>>101505337

Doing the opposite of typical cliches is not a deconstruction. It's when you partially execute the typical cliches, but you expose realistic consequences to them.

See >>101504026 or >>101503225
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>deconstruction
stopped reading there every time
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>>101500648
2ez
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>>101500648
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>>101506232

Please learn what words mean.
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>>101506200
You're equally off.
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>>101506316
Well explain what a deconstruction is to us
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Anime made for young boys who have no taste in life.
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>>101506336
A method of criticism of an existing work that follows it to the point and exposes its flaws that way.
A work can't be a deconstruction of a whole genre, in that case, it's a parody and nothing more.
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>>101506282
He probably doesn't know it himself.

>To situate deconstruction within philosophy in general, it is a critique of Idealism[21] and a form of antifoundationalism.

So I stand by my choice of Bakuman.
>>101506221
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Shounen is not a genre.
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>>101506471
Theoretically it's not a genre.
In practice it's very much a genre.
Doesn't matter if it's about cooking, sports, fighting, supernatural activity, it follows the same framework ergo - it's a genre.
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>>101506521
Aku no Hana is shounen, you twit. It's not a genre.
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>>101506436
Is bakuman any good? My fanboyism besides Sorachi impeaches me from reading it, i also dropped it because it was too happy-go-lucky to me. MC is pratically "Monkey D. Luffy does a manga"
>>101506521
No, it's called being lazy and greedy.
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>>101506521
But then, what's the differences between Shounen and Seinen?
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>>101506521
Someone apparently hasn't read a manga in his whole life.
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>>101506577
>manga released on shounen jump
>manga released on young king,animal,jet comics etc.
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>>101506547
It's just part of the "other" shounen genre - the haremshit. Just a very edgy newage interpretation.
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>>101506585
Post a manga you think breaks away from the genre tropes of a shounen and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
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>>101506108
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There is no constant protagonist because morality is a fickle gray and people actually die and stay dead when they are killed.
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>>101506664
Super Dog Rilienthal. Your move.
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>>101506664
Shounen just means it was published on Shounen Jump, and then some dipshits started using as "it's like DBZ", but i accept your challenge, Lucifer and the biscuit hammer.
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>deconstruct
>shounen genre
Fucking retard.
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I MUST ANNOUNCE EXACTLY HOW MY SECRET ABILITY WORKS.

I fucking rage every time. How fucking DUMB can you be to actually tell someone what the fuck is happening?
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>>101506641
>haremshit
Either you do not know what that means or you have not read Aku no Hana.
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>>101506752
Going against a trope mindlessly doesn't create a good outcome. pic related.
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>>101506798
Totally not fight/gag of the week, brah.
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Usual friendship power battle bullshit. Halfway through protag's team takes on superior force and is brutally murdered and he's left alone and crippled. The rest of the show is protag dealing with his PTSD and working as instructor in some academy full of young idiots that has similar naive behavior and ideals that protagonist had at the start of his journey.
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>>101506872
>1 guy x random number of girls
>not haremshit
The girls are sluts this time around but that's the only difference I can find.

2/10
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>>101506435
Thats satire.
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>>101507028
So edgy.
So edgy it's already been done to a large extent.
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>>101507148
I sure hope you're merely pretending to have an extra chromosome.
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>>101507162
How? The main character awakens his rainbow eyes later in the novels and fucking shows them all, how is that a deconstruction?
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>>101507028
In fact after thinking a bout it a bit more it's HAS been done.
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>>101507236
After all of his friends died.
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>MC is kicked into a building so hard it collapses on him
>antagonist puts on a pose as he watches the dust settle
>MC is helped out of the rubble by bystanders before the dust settles
>then gets arrested for vandalism in a trial that lasts several months to years due to past counts of assault and murder
>antagonist still waits for the MC to emerge from the rubble
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>>101506200
> you expose realistic consequences to them.
Well, the post before does exactly that.

Typical cliche execution: The protagonist believes in his own power (friends, teacher, love, hope, etc)
Realistic consequence: He lose because he is not well prepared.
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>>101500648
>Shounen
>genre
pls go
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>>101507278
that supposed to be a con?
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>>101506108
Madoka
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There you go
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Deconstruct the slice of life genre
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>>101507354
Thanks, I chuckled.
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>>101507374
>that filename
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>>101507341
>Usual friendship power battle bullshit. Halfway through protag's team takes on superior force and is brutally murdered and he's left alone and crippled. The rest of the show is protag dealing with his PTSD

It follows this story. If we disregard the part with him being crippled. Though you can argue he was severely emotionally crippled.

And if you want the EXACT same story there's >>101507245

Only the youngsters are the MCs and the old crippled man is just a side characters. Because who the hell wants to watch a show about an old man ?!
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>>101507322
I think the "See X" part is what he thinks is a deconstruction and the people he replies to are not.

As far as I know a genre deconstruction is just following the cliches of a genre but applying realism to it. Watchmen deconstructs superheros, because it shows how "degenerate" vigilantes would be, how a super human would lose all interest in helping humanity and how vigilantes would shape politics and society and be shaped by it, it's also about morality not being black and white (which is the basis of most superheros).
For a manga example Shadow Star / Naru Taru is about putting immensely powerful Pokemon or Digimon type monsters in the hands of mentally unstable teenagers and how things like that would evolve.
After the wave of spaghetti westerns, there were gritty western who'd show the heroes as less shining and more scumbag (think "The Good" in the good, the bad and the ugly who cheats the law out of money, nearly lets his partner be executed for a cool laugh and leaves him in the desert to die or suffer greatly for no reason.) Or see The Great Silence, set in snow, the villain is a bounty hunter and the protagonist just gets shot to shit because that's what happens if you are against a superior enemy.

That pop culture definition got something to do with deconstruction in philosophy but it's not quite the same.
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>>101500648
I used to do that to my sister's doll. God damn the laughs.
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>>101500648
Naruto;
Main character express how you can win being an underdog, but in the end he isnt an underdog.

Hero turn into villain, (as opposed as villain turn into hero) Sasuke.

Hero is defeated, making a whole arc useless (sasuke retrieve arc) Sasuke wins even with MC power of friendship.

Main character wins with words and not with power up/power of friendship:
Pain, Tobi.

Side characters are more likable than MC:
Rock lee, kakashi, chouji, shikamaru.

2 Years of timeskip for training and MC slighty increased his strenght while 2 weeks of "special training" just jumped him into God mode.
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>>101511554
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TV Tropes did a great job ruining this word.
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>>101500648
Consider the following:
The Protagonist, following some form of defeat or tragedy, acquires animu protagonist level power and exacts vengeance. This occurs within the first 3 episodes.

The rest of the series explores the nature of power and the responsibility and failures of being an absolute force. Played for drama, but not juvenile tear jerking. Ultimate message and theme is the value of restraint and purpose.

Basically, OPM played straight. Might work best as a Mecha to have some eye candy though...

Pic related to thread, though not to my post.



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