Why is it so common to see anime MCs fail in academics? Are the Japs trying to tell their youths that it's okay to fail?
Because people who did well in school wouldn't be watching anime.
No, it's just that anime lovers are all mediocre students, so they can relate.
They either get 100s or fail.
There is no middle ground.
What about the normal, regular, average high school MC?
But the pretty, athletic, big-breasted student council president always gets perfect grades.
Because viewers can't inset into a genious character, only losers like us watch anime anyway.
You can get good grades and still be a total loser.
It's precisely the opposite. Japanese society has a crippling overemphasis on academic performance, to the point that college graduates literally either head directly into a permanent career position after being headhunted, stay on and complete additional majors until they are headhunted, or become homeless. Don't even joke about trying to live off part-time service industry jobs in Japan; you've got entry-level waitstaff style positions doling out 4-hour weekly shifts perpetually filled by the youngest and perkiest 17-year-old students, idol and companion bars that are themselves extremely demanding career positions that you can't just 'walk into', or janitorial work culturally reserved for the ethnic untouchables.
The academic 'failure' is always an obstacle to be overcome during character development, the most terrifying personal experience your average Japanese student could relate to in the firstest of the first-world countries.
Because kids who get straight As usually spend all their time studying and going to cram schools, and that doesn't make for a thrilling story.
Of course you do have a few MCs that are natural geniuses, but you have to handle them carefully or they become boring. The usual way of balancing out geniuses is to give them pretty major character flaws that make them unsociable or unattractive. Or in Death Note's case, just give the MC a god complex and have him get crazier and crazier over time.
Anime and manga like to escape from that reality. MC's who don't do well in school still end up happy. Plus there's always the option of dropping out and learning to draw and starving to death trying to be published as a mangaka.
52 isn't a failing score. It's an average score
Depends on the bell curve for the class. You're always gonna have one turbo nerd who studied for a week for a perfect score, so he'll shift the average up.
>it's okay to fail
Anime is for adult losers who don't have jobs, not children.
>You're always gonna have one turbo nerd who studied for a week for a perfect score
Or maybe people that just aren't fucking idiots, so they'll at least get an 80 or 90.
A 52 is a bad score no matter how you want to push it. You only knew slightly more than half of the covered material. That's bad.
Are the people in the animu business typically high achievers back in school or do they tend to be drop outs?
Maybe it's something to do with the creators?
>You only knew slightly more than half of the covered material.
That's not how it works.
No, it isn't. It's not a bad score when the teachers gives you trick questions and tests you on material that you didn't even cover in class.
>not removing outliers from your bell curve
>implying i actually study ever
>implying I don't get top score on every test in all my classes in my 3rd year comp sci courses
>A 52 is a bad score no matter how you want to push it. You only knew slightly more than half of the covered material. That's bad.
How little he knows.
You should be able to see through trick questions and uncovered material shouldn't be anywhere near a test.
That's not how Japanese grading works.
Must be nice taking easy courses where you can get As without studying. If the class average is far above 50% the tests aren't nearly hard enough.
how does it work then? are you going to let a surgeon who only got 52s in school operate on your heart?
>take easy courses with soft instructors who devise easy examinations
>brag about passing them with flying colors
An instructor who does not aim for a 50% average on his tests is not doing his job.
>You should be able to see through trick questions
No you shouldn't, that's why they are called trick questions.
> uncovered material shouldn't be anywhere near a test
Not a valid complain after grade school.
>uncovered material shouldn't be anywhere near a test.
That's why cram schools exist and that's why they sell study books at discount prices to high school students. America education is soft.
I don't know how nips do it but I'm pretty sure surgeons have to spend a few years assisting before they're qualified for the position themselves.
Damn you're lucky. Also in my third year for Comp Sci major, if I don't pick up my slack my professors will fail me. My college has no qualms about failing their students; hell, my mathematics department is infamous for failing students.
I'll never understand why a nerdy loser wants to self insert as the same nerdy loser he is when he can use his power imagination to be a handsome hero fighting for great justice and pussy.
Someone sounds jealous.
Because it makes the characters more relatable.
>No you shouldn't, that's why they are called trick questions.
Yes you should. Just because they're trick questions doesn't mean they're impossible. Fucking learn to read.
>Not a valid complain after grade school.
It's a completely valid complaint. You shouldn't be tested on knowledge that you were never taught or were assigned.
Oh god that text
I would frequently get perfect scores on tests but I ended up failing classes because I didn't meet attendance requirements. School bored me so much that I wasn't challenged. It's the fault of the system. If I had been challenged maybe I would have attended classes. I'm not even that smart.
last semester class average in two of the classes was around 40%, i was averaging 92 on the tests and 100% of the assignments.
the point is that you wouldn't let someone who crashes 48 out of 100 times fly an airplane so why would you consider a 52% a passing grade?
>Intentionally designing a test expecting half your class to fail horribly
No, he's not doing his job at all. That does not help the student's learning in any way at all. In fact, the insane difficulty and shit grades would probably intimidate the non straight A students and make them only perform worse. In fact, if he did it repeatedly he'd probably get replaced.
If Japs fail they commit to sudoku.
Because the MCs in SoL anime tend to live pretty comfy lives and they want to lie to themselves that their life is just like theirs. The handsome hero fighting for great justice and pussy are the ones that put those losers where they are in the first place. The losers are jealous and envious of them. If they were true heroes then why didn't they save them from a life of a loser?
Why be someone you despise when you can just be yourself and convince your own loser life is just A-OK
Well at least that means they'd land the plane more often than they'd crash it.
>Just because they're trick questions doesn't mean they're impossible
If anyone that hasn't taken the course before can answer it, it's not a real trick question.
>You shouldn't be tested on knowledge that you were never taught or were assigned.
It's called self study.
Anime isn't a respect industry and the pay is shit so they probably wouldn't be working in the anime industry if they were high achievers.
No, just showing up on time in of itself puts someone ahead. It's your fault you didn't bother, you fuckwit.
In freshman year I ended up making a habit of skipping my discrete math class because the prof didn't take attendance, and homework was never checked. I lucked out with a passing C for the final. My GPA would've dropped below 3.0 if I hadn't done well in my other classes. Dumbest thing I have done in my entire life and I still kick myself for being too lazy to attend it.
>A 52 is a bad score no matter how you want to push it. You only knew slightly more than half of the covered material. That's bad.
I bet you don't know how exams at universities work you dumb 12 year old fuck.
>the insane difficulty and shit grades would probably intimidate the non straight A students and make them only perform worse
That's the point, school has to prepare them for the real world.
what about yamakan? he went to kyoto uni and is doing quite _bad_
If it is anything like America, the kids who get 90s are the one who are jobless and NEET. The one who gets 60s are socialites and living the good life as company executives.
>If anyone that hasn't taken the course before can answer it, it's not a real trick question.
Anyone who takes the course and actually pays attention and studies should be able to handle any trick questions a professor throws at them.
>It's called self study.
Not an excuse, especially when you're paying hundreds of dollars to be taught the material and earn credit for the class. Self study should be for the student's continued interest in the course, not for when the professor feels like throwing out random curve balls specifically designed to fail students who didn't memorize Wikipedia.
>went to art school
>got an overall average of 52.5
>anything above 50 was passing
Who knows more?
Someone that scored a 95 on a tests that were all multiple choice questions and the students were given a study guide with all the answers for the test in advance
Or someone that made a 50 on a test where the questions were not multiple choice but write in, trick questions and a portion of those questions were material that was not covered in class or barely covered.
who are you going to hire for a job, someone who can do it right 100/100 times or someone who fails almost as often as he succeeds?
I went to one of the top engineering schools in the world and would attend classes where 30 was a passing grade. The tests were so unbelievably hard that most students weren't expected to even get half the questions right.
This is the reason why some schools are better than others.
You miss the point entirely.
The one with the 95 considering they had a good teacher that taught them all of the material and they utilized the things that would help them succeed.
The one who has friends and a wife.
>tests in any way an accurate representation of what you get in the real world
I think the point is, if all the other students are getting 80s and 90s and you get a 50 it's still a terrible grade
I think it will be alright. No normal employer gives a fuck or even asks for high school transcripts.
no you're the one missing the point. school is supposed to exist to teach you the skills you need to do a job. all that should matter is that you can do what's asked of you with compentency by the time you graduate.
>The tests were so unbelievably hard that most students weren't expected to even get half the questions right.
That's kind of sad.
Oh and they didn't even give you enough time to finish the test. It was deliberate. Nobody was expected to complete the tests.
They're aiming for more than competency.
Maybe engineering students are just dumb. I've been in math courses with engineering students. They're terrible at math.
>johnson, nearly half of the reports you filed last month were wrong. what the hell is wrong with you?
>b-but sir, half was enough to pass in school
>not covered in class
So students get lower grades on an exam because the professor didn't teach them what they needed.
Sounds like a fuckstupid professor. All you guys are doing is whining and saying "it's too easy", I don't think you're bothering to look at the retarded logic behind what you think you're saying.
Was that supposed to be a trick question like the ones on your favorite tests?
Don't you see that the Jews are playing you for the goyims you are? They make the test deliberately hard and shorten the time allowed to do them so that they can spend less time marking them AND make you think the money you're sacrificing is worth it. "Preparing you for the real world" is fucking bullshit. You've been living in the real world your entire life. You should've at least know by now that life is hard mode when you realized you actually need to pay to do work before actually working a job for the rest of your life being a slave to society.
What you call teaching is actually spoonfeeding, there's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a test with material that wasn't covered in class, as long as the teacher tells you what that material will be.
>Professor didn't teach it to you and you failed the test? Your fault, you should've known things that you didn't know in the first place, and didn't even know that you needed to know them.
>What's that? Gotta make a test? Alright, I should be super hardcore and aim for half of my class to fail.
Are... Are you guys serious? It's been a while since I've seen /a/nons this stupid.
Thank you /a/
For reminding me I'm a failure.
>Why is it so common to see anime MCs fail in academics?
It's not that common unless it's something like harem animu.
A perfect example would be Hajime no Ippo, where despite Ippo taking up boxing he was quite smart during high school, to the point his teacher was seriously questioning why he would take up a sport such as boxing when his grades and work ethic could EASILY get him in a good college.
The professor teaching you is his job. Not educating you for assignments he gives you is not doing his job. There is everything wrong with a professor that tests students with things he did not teach them.
>paying thousands to have a professor only teach 30% of what he'll be testing you on
His job is providing you the tools so you can learn.
I think "top school" means that the school has a good PhD program. I went to a "top school" and had some lazy or incompetent professors, they're being hired because of their research, not their ability to teach.
this anon knows what's up. University academics aren't actually there to spoonfeed their students. It's independent learning, the teachers guide you and give you an introduction on topics then it's up to you to research and study beyond.
I've had a few exams where the teacher gave us material on what will be covered in the exam but the exam of course went beyond that.
I thought this was standard in most universities and colleges?
so your professor is a glorified librarian?
You don't even need a teacher in that case. Just buy some textbooks and self-study.
>I thought this was standard in most universities and colleges?
They did this in high school too. College is nothing more than glorified high school that you have to pay for.
Pretty much, the teacher is there to facilitate things, but any student should be able to pass any test by self study. You're paying for the right to take the test and a chance to get a degree, nothing else.
We must have gone to very very similar schools. In more algorithm and test based classes, grades were almost perfect normal curves with means of 50%. 35% was a guaranteed B- (the bottom 15% or so depended on the prof).
However, that was only for test-based classes. In project-based classes, the mean was around a 90%. (The exception was that fucking compilers professor, fuck that guy.) Just a few points here or there could make or break your grade, although in the end, grades really only mattered if you wanted to pursue academia.
Work experience, internships, research, and interviewing skills were by far the most important things to focus on if you wanted to work in the industry after you graduated.
not really, high school for me was all spoonfeeding. We knew the topics and subjects in exams. The teachers would basically teach us the entire course. Almost no self study or access to research was needed for assignments and papers.
Maybe my high school was just shit..
Yeah I never got that.
This is a Confucian country.
If your son or daughter is failing, you will most likely be sent to cram school until you can raise your marks.
>Maybe my high school was just shit..
Could be, but then again I was stuck in the classes for turbonerds so I suppose the standards were different.
and you see nothing wrong with a system where you put yourself into a special kind of debt that you can't declare bankruptcy from or even refinance, just so you can get a piece of paper saying that you taught yourself a skill well enough to barely get half of the questions on a test right?
In high school some teachers would give us a study sheet a week in advance for a test. The study shit had all the answers for the test. I would just memorize the study sheets in the few minutes before the class started and the test began. I made I made 100 on most of those tests. Other than that I did no studying at all for those classes.
Did I actually learn anything? Not at all. I just memorized the answers with my short term memory.
Someone that actually had a difficult class on those subjects would definitely know more than me.
Personally I believe that education should be free, but that's besides the point.
have you studied in college before? The workload and requirements are very different from anything in high school.
>You're paying for the right to take the test and a chance to get a degree, nothing else.
I'm paying to be taught the skills that I need to pursue my career. If I wanted to learn everything by myself then I wouldn't be spending thousands of dollars and 4 years of my time here.
>If I wanted to learn everything by myself then I wouldn't be spending thousands of dollars and 4 years of my time here.
But you want that piece of paper that can decide your whole life.
Well, shit, If I was japanese I'd go live in the woods and kill and eat pandas with a bamboo spear, maybe that'd be easier.
This varies greatly from school to school and even class to class.
Some classes in uni are abysmally easy.
Hunting pandas in Japan would be pretty difficult.
>Implying good grades in med school= good doctor
Oh my god, you are precious. You have absolutely no idea how the education of a doctor goes, right?
so you're telling me that in order to become a doctor, a medical student never has to do better than getting it right 50% of the time? that makes me glad I haven't gotten sick in a long time.
>I need to get 60+% to pass in mine
Regardless of how easy someone finds a course the workload structure and study requirements are very different from high school.
To say university is a glorified high school is ridiculous since they're completely different.
I'm telling you that after a med school you are piece of shit without any responsibility, You don't have enough experience to decide on anything, and noone will let you. Doctor here, so its legit info dude. I could rant about this stuff for hours. but its offtopic. Unless you have specific questions.
It's routine work, for at least some of the professors. I'll tell you my >anectode that you may or may not believe.
In my school there's one professor (exercises from Organic Chemistry) that routinely fails 90% of the students with normal course of study. I managed to squeeze through the retry, but that's not the point. In last years, block system was approved, and now failing the exercise parts means you fail the lectures too AND without them you can't begin the laboratories. The magical part? There's a 12 limit of debt points you can get before proceeding to the next semesters. The three parts sum up to 13.
So yes, at least the second part is true in some cases at least.
so if you're a gp you have to do things like diagnose illnesses, or if you're some kind of specialist you have to do certain procedures. are you telling me that you can be considered a successful doctor if you can only identify a disease half of the time, or if half of the people you perform surgery on end up dying?
The problem is that the questions on exams are usually a pool of let's say 300. People tend to check the questions the older students remembered and during their own exam, they have instant answers. It's not that hard to get better grade, than somoeone who really knows the topic, since as you can imagine there are tons of trick questions. Saying good grades= good doctor is oversimplifying things to the point of nonsense.
Before you will be let to diagnose something yourself, you are looking at several years of practice in actual hospital, with actual doctors. Really, the classic sympthoms doesnt show that frequently. You need EXPERIENCE, and if you show your superiors that you don't have knowledge, they will kick you out. So i'm not saying that you don't have to have knowledge. I'm saying that med school grades doesn't really show how good you will be at it. It's neverending learning story with this.
>if you show your superiors that you don't have knowledge, they will kick you out
in other words you're being tested, and you have to be able to do it nearly perfectly to pass. a test where you can pass getting half of the questions wrong is useless because no one wants a professional that can't do the job right every time.
This is high school, retard. In university, self-study is an accepted part of my course, with a total reading time equaling more than my actual class time, so it's expected that I'll have to know things not taught in class. However, in my country's high school, you cannot test people on what they didn't learn in class, because that's the mark of a bad teacher. High school =/= university, don't hold them to the same standards.
No. As a fresh doctor your diagnoses will be wrong most of the time. That's why you are not let to them by yourself. You are being supervised by older doctors. You can speculate what it could be. And if you can't speculate in right direction, they might kick you out. Sorry dude, the work of a doctor is not a test on paper. I saw people get great grades, but not being able to use that knowledge in actual work. Plus diagnosis is checked with specialists in the field. Medicine nowadays is very specialists oriented. It's not like you are doctor after med-school, you say "yeah, that guy has atrial fibrillation, 100%" and he is treated for this because you say so.
>And if you can't speculate in right direction, they might kick you out.
and how is that not failing a performance test? all you're saying is proving that you can't do professional work as a doctor until you prove that you can do it right enough of the time not to get you ass sued for malpractice.
Because those kids are under immense peer pressure, and as others said there is no middle ground. You either get 90s - 100s or you become hikikomori / vagabond / mami dance performer (take your pick).
no, they just want to relate to the loser audience. but they should really teach their kids its okay to fail, because social skills are much more important than being an uptight hard-studying faggot who gets laid first time at 25 and has trouble communicating with his coworkers.
Mine is 73%+ usually.
Oh man, i gotta start some topic on /b/ cause the malpractice stuff is ambigous topic. Anyway, yeah this is exactly what i'm saying,and we are on the same page here man. You have to have proper knowledge, and know how to use it. However, it doesnt mean that if you get good grades on TESTS you will be good at ACTUAL WORK.
well my point was that a test where you can pass with a 52 is meaningless because professionals are expected to do their jobs right 100% of the time.
Let me strike the topic from different angle. Do you know how the tests in med school looks like? I do, and there are many times where they are written so that the answer can be found only in some proffessor's book, or just there are no 100% good answers. And you will have problem with such question, when you knowledge is very wide. Because in medicine there are no absolutes, you balance between facts and try to do your best. You should be able to be better than 52% on a written test anyway, but it doesnt mean you will be worse doctor, than the guy with 80%. This job put great stress on you, sometimes you have to think fast, you need empathy, real understanding of processes in human body. You have to have all that to be good in this job, and you can't measure it with a written test. You would be amazed how many alcoholics and drug addicts are in this line of work, because they can't handle it in the long ru.
>there are many times where they are written so that the answer can be found only in some proffessor's book, or just there are no 100% good answers
so basically you aren't really expected to know the answer. if you aren't expected to know the answer, what is the question actually testing?
Not the same anon, but it would test how well you can do with what you know. Sometimes a doctor genuinely will not know what is wrong or exactly what to do. It's about being able to do everything you can to save lives.
To be honest it depends, sometimes its like >>101502954
said, sometimes the question isn't properly preapered, and the answer isn't really easy to come up. Naturally afterwards you can discuss it with and get additional points, but my point still stands. Sometimes the questions are a little old, and some new research came up. So you will answer it wrong, even though you learned, and have knowledge. Unfortunatelly medical studies aren't as perfect as you would want them to be.
Who highschool dropout here?