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TV rips are so much better! Streams are crap!

http://check2pic.ru/compare/31776/
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Tv rip watching master race!
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>>101460577
Nice source description.
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Web streams just can't compete with that great MPEG-2 ts quality.
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>>101460759
>MPEG-2
Where the fuck do you get your TV Rips? Some kind of Uganda otaku site?
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>2014
>watching streams

ROFL so dumb!
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>>101460856
Transport streams are mpeg-2, which then get filtered and transcoded to give you the brilliant and wonderful superior TV rips we all love so much.

Ignorant web stream watchers just don't know all the details and smooth gradients they are missing out on!
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Are you shitposting or just being retarded? I don't get it
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>>101461028
Shitposting, obviously.
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>>101461028
I'm celebrating how us informed and superior master race don't watch shitty ass web streams like those dirty stupid people who do!

God they are so dumb! We are so smart for preferring TV rips!
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TV rips win again.
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>>101460577
All you need is a bit of filtering and the TV rip will look much better.

Any good fansub group like Commie can handle that source file just fine.
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Bluray > HDTV > WEB-DL when talking about quality. Quality:filesize ratio depends a lot on the show, but usually its Bluray > HDTV > WEB-DL.
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They are, what of it?
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>>101460968
The joke is that streaming sites upload the fansub videos.
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>>101461471
We should all pat ourselves on the back and look down on people who watch HorribleSubs.

And can you believe there are even people who pay for web streams!? Crazy!

Personally I pay $100/month for TV because it's just so superior. I also love how you pay and still get advertisements.
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>>101461546
After it gets converted from mkv.
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And the streams aren't even 10bit!

Once you convert that blocky MPEG-2 mess to 10bit it will be beautiful and won't play with hardware decoding.
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Nice cherry picking and lack of proper source information for the TV screenshots (are these scaled transport stream shots or shots from some encode?), OP.

Anyway, what looks better is really something that needs to be evaluated on case-by-case basis. Sometimes TV broadcasts look overall better (even with the MPEG-2 artifacts), sometimes CR 1080p looks overall better. Saying that one would always be better than the other is just silly and wrong.

And if you actually care about video quality, you wouldn't want to watch neither raw transport streams nor stream rips without proper filtering to deal with the source artifacts.
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>>101462276
Don't you use CR as a video source some times?
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>>101462276
Go away no one even did the summoning thing
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>>101461362
>Web-DL below everything
>Not marginally worse then Bluray

Are you a baka?
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>>101462276
Oh shit, OP just got told hard.
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Except the problem with horriblesubs video quality is because they're literally ripped straight from the stream with no filtering.
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>>101462345
I do if it's better than the TV broadcasts, and I don't if it isn't. As I said, it's a case-by-case thing.
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>>101462410
Godammit did not mean to save as jpg
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How does filtering even work? If you have blocky artifacts in the video file, how can you automatically remove that shit if the artifact has fucked up how it should look?
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>>101462419
Yeah you can tell by the OP comparison how horrible direct CR rips are!
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>>101462600
You can't really do much about the extreme blocking you can get with MPEG-2, but said extreme blocking tends to only shows up in very high motion scenes. While the blocking is obvious in static screenshots, the effect is drastically reduced when actually watching the video.
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>>101462600
You blur the shit out of it.

Luckily 10bit does a good job of preserving the blurriness.
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>>101462724
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>>101462410
>>101462488
Yes, everyone who watches western TV acknowledges that WEB-DL is the best quality available until retail bluray.

But for some reason /a/ thinks WEB-DL is bad and TV rips are good.

I think it's just a lot of fansubbers salty about the fact that they aren't needed any more. And retarded lemmings follow along with the "web-dl is bad" meme.
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>>101462724
As far as I can tell from the Underwater page, you only release series as they air for the most part, is that right? So if you got a re-muxed copy of the first Kill la Kill volume, you wouldn't re-encode it and just drop in the subs from the tv rip release?
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>>101462837
>So if you got a re-muxed copy of the first Kill la Kill volume, you wouldn't re-encode it and just drop in the subs from the tv rip release?
Since when do groups do that? They'd always encode from a BD source, not just release it muxed with subs.
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>>101462824
Are you completely incapable of reading or what?

I just wrote that web streams can be better than TV broadcasts, but the opposite can also be the case depending on the series.

One is not inherently better than the other, and claiming anything else is just wrong.

And it's not even something you could say on a channel-by-channel basis - for example, a series airing on Tokyo MX and Crunchyroll could look better on either, and the only way you could be sure is by comparing the two.

>>101462837
If we did the KLK BDs, we'd encode them as usual. Straight remuxes of anime BDs aren't very common because anime BDs tend to be faulty (most common artifacts being banding and aliasing) just like every other source with anime.
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>>101463010
Daiz how much hair do you have
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>>101463010
Daiz, is Underwater still working on Wizard Barristers?
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So long as Daiz is here;

How much space does 10 bit save on average? Episode 16 of KlK was 415 mb, how large would it have been at 8 bit?
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I can never understand any of this mumbo jumbo, where is the entry level encoding read up?
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>>101463096
Daiz is actually made entirely of hair.
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>>101463223
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=1_37&filter=1&term=hatsuyuki

This is probably the easiest point of comparison. I'm pretty sure they would use the same settings for both versions.
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>>101463223
It'd be 15-20% bigger, and could still suffer from visible banding on top of that.
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>>101463297
>10bit is a placebo
Surprise!
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lol forever at people who care about video quality. why don't you, uh, go post at the technology board or something instead. jesus christ
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>>101463401
You can't enjoy your anime with shit video quality.
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>>101463401
Yeah, and why don't you watch your shit in XviD instead?
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>>101463333
10 bit reduces banding? I thought it was just for smaller file size at the same quality level.

Also, why stop at 10 bit? Can you go further than that conceivably?
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>>101463401
It is entirely in your right to enjoy shit, but simple logic dictates that audio-visual media should be handled with proper care for sound and video.
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>>101463493
The thing with banding is that 8 bits per channel just isn't enough when it comes to dealing with large smooth gradients (of which anime has plenty of). In order to have those smooth gradients with 8-bit video, you need dithering - and dithering is very expensive to compress, as it's essentially just fine noise.

With 10-bit, you have four times more color values to use for storing gradients, which means that you basically don't need to have dither in the encode. You save space AND get smooth gradients. (Of course, as most of us are using 8-bit-or-less screens, it still needs to be dithered to 8-bit at some point - but with 10-bit, it's done on playback where it's basically free.)

On top of that, 10-bit compression is also generally more efficient than 8-bit compression.

There isn't really a point to going beyond 10-bit with H.264 because of diminishing returns and the fact that going further would make playback much more demanding.
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There is no point in encoding from TV broadcasts when CR video is good enough already and you can watch in less time than it takes to wait for an encoded raw. Really, the difference is minimal (save for serious fuckups which don't happen nowadays) and you don't even notice it unless you autistically examine every frame for artifacts instead of watching the damn show. Fansubbers just can't deal with the fact that their time is over and waste their time advertising their "superior" releases just to stay relevant.
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>>101464197
Not everyone has as low standards as you do. I certainly don't watch to watch shit like >>101463333
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>>101464539
>first defends mpeg-2 ts rip issues as unnoticable in motion
>secondly claims unnoticable artefacts in CR ruin the experience

Make up your mind.
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>>101464197
I think you don't have any experience watching your chinese cartoons on HD TV. banding and some artifacts ruined your experience watching your glorious chinese cartoons.
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>>101464848
>unnoticable artefacts

if you don't notice those "banding" while you're watching your chinese cartoons, you're fucking blind.
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>>101464867
Blurriness from filtering and encoding as 10bit ruins it even worse.
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>>101464539
You're the only fansubber that actually puts in effort to make good encodes though. With most groups its a 10 hour extra wait for the same shit plus a few memes and translation fixes.

I'll accept their improvements if I was busy at the time HS released and never got a chance to watch the episode, but I'm not going to wait 10 hours, missing the best discussions, just for some tiny fixes.

Banding like in that example rarely happens with CR rips nowadays anyway.
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>>101464848
One: I didn't say MPEG-2 artifacts would be "unnoticeable" in motion, just said that they don't stick out nowhere near as much as they do on static screenshots.

Two: Unlike said high complexity MPEG-2 artifacts, banding like that can be present in basically completely static scenes, where it will be very noticeable.
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>>101464994
madVR exist. use it.
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>>101460577
Tv rips are streams.
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>>101466614
Oh shit...
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RnL WHEN



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