Yes, yes, we've had the same thread a dozen times already.
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No, I don't want your "realistic" shit for children, Miyazaki.
Fuck off and go jump off a wall.
love this meme
Why should I care about what an old man says?
Sounds like someone is an angry basement rat
pretentious tryhard dinosaur thread?
How does he know that the animators are otaku? He probably doesn't even speak Korean.
Of course I am.
The new 'I had such high hopes"
>he hasn't seen any of Dogakobo's recent animation
I love how angry this makes people. Its probably because he is right.
Why doesn't he just make anime he wants to see instead of telling others they're bad and wrong?
This is like George Lucas getting upset that science fiction movie fans are nerds and geeks.
Miyazaki is better than George.
Didnt his latest movie just come out? I dont know much about anime but I think this guy made like 2 movies or something
He's correct, but the reason he's saying it is because his western success has made him think he's above being Japanese. He thinks he's Disney now. Too bad Frozen is going to crush The Wind Rises.
I said it's LIKE, not that it's exact. It's as if he doesn't like his audience, and that's just pitiful.
Cocky bastard. He deserves another Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>I dont know much about anime but I think this guy made like 2 movies or something
Wow, stop posting anytime.
Where is he disparaging the Japanese?
Ghibli audience != TV anime audience
his audience aren't mainly Otaku, though.
>shits out the same "little moe girl goes on a fantasy adventure" shit for his entire career
>thinks anyone will take what he has to say seriously
Everyone is above being japanese, those fools kill themselves religiously.
>I don't know much about anime
Are you saying /a/ doesn't like lolis and eat up anything with cute girls?
He's saying that he's above otaku culture and influence, and that his work is better. His work is full of western influence, it's pretty well known that he loves Disney and draws inspiration from them. He's basically a race traitor. Note the fact that as soon as Western critics start awarding him things, he turns his back on Japanese culture.
>football industry is full of football lovers
>music industry is full of music lovers
>movie industry is full of movie lovers
That seems reasonable.
>anime industry is full of anime lovers
CALL THE COPS
It's mostly because people love to take one single out of contest sentence from an interview and lash out on it without even reading the rest or understanding what he was trying to say. The fault lies mostly in the sensationalist son of a bitch who thought it would be a good idea to put that paraphrase in the title of an article.
I think I was too subtle
>the kind of people that are interested in anime end up working in anime industry
mind = blown
I'm saying Miyazaki is a pot calling the kettle black.
No. Pretty much every good, famous Japanese director would be disgusted by otaku and TV anime.
Are implying that ANN isn't top-notch, critically acclaimed, unbiased and fair journalism?
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES
HOLD THE PHONE
WAIT JUST A MINUTE
It all makes sense now. Miyazaki is a GOD DAMN GENIUS.
The problem with the anime industry is that it's full of people WHO LIKE ANIME.
ANIME = KILLING ANIME
>anime industry is full of people who jack off to little girls all day, buy pornographic fanfictions of random characters and spend money on pillows, figurines and similar crap
So? Does that mean you're not an anime fan?
Where's Korea spam?
The problem with anime is that it's full of people that like detestable material and lead to the degradation of society.
>football industry is full of people who jack off to grown women all day, have jobs, probably buy porn magazines and spend money on food, their kids and their hobbies
I don't understand your point
Yes. Your appreciation is extremely shallow, because you care more about derivative works and merchandise than the anime itself.
otakus are the cancer killing anime
I'm not saying otaku culture and Japanese culture are the same thing, but otaku culture is definitely an element of japanese culture. And all those "good, famous" directors wouldn't happen to be directors praised by WESTERN critics, would they? Basically you just have to sell out and be a complete westaboo and bam, critical success! It's the western idea of "Hey, when these japs do things the CORRECT way, the way that conforms to our cultural norms and societal ideas, it's actually not shit!". And the Japanese are one of those cultures that got brainwashed by the American superculture into viewing 'western' as synonymous with cool, hip, and good. You need look no further than anime, where girls that wear western clothes are more fashionable and transfer students who speak English are cool.
so wait a minute! does "otaku" translate to "anime fan"?
None of this is related to football. Everything I said is very much related to otaku culture and anime industry.
>Castle of Cagliostro
>Howl's Moving Castle
>little moe girl goes on a fantasy adventure
People here forget that the people who pioneered in Japanese animation, people like Tezuka and Yas, were huge fans of Disney.
They'd be disgusted at the lack of variety and how cheap it is now. They wouldn't care about the "otaku culture".
What's a "true appreciation" of an anime series then? What arbitrary things have you and this old fuck made up in your mind that lets you say "you aren't a true fan"?
Not animators, the main audience. Animators just make shit to get money.
>movie industry is full of people who jack off to porn of all kinds, buy pornographic books/membership/pass of random people and spend money on dildos of various kinds and other sex toys shits
This doesn't cause an issue for movie industry.
But what does it matter? I don't see how liking perverted things stop you from liking, I don't know, Hidamari Sketch.
ANN a shit.
He was expressing his dismay at the quality of the art and animation. Most otaku animators don't know what they're doing because they learned everything they know about drawing/animating from watching anime.
They should have learned by observing the real world.
To fix this problem, Miyazaki should become an animation teacher, instead of a bitter ass-hat.
The fuck? What do you imply with appreciate?
The point is that they're anime fans, stop being a goddamn hipster.
I'm talking about real, good directors (of live action films). They were praised everywhere in the world.
Watch Japanese films. They are nothing like anime. They are mature and yes, appreciated in the West.
Alright, children, gather around.
I will tell you a tale of travel, adventure, and Japanese entertainment.
It was the '60s.
I had arrived in Spain in the previous decade, seeking education.
I remember it was summer when my good friend, Benicio, had invited me to his mansion in Venice. We had lunch together, and he began to tell me of a journey he intended to undertake. Benicio had always been in love with the far east, ever since he had traveled to China in his youth, and asked me if I would like to join him in a sea voyage to a distant land known as "Nippon".
I'll be honest with you, it took a lot of convincing, but eventually I agreed. We departed the following morning, on a galeon heading to the far east. It was a perilous journey, I must admit, for I had never been much for sea travel. Much of our time was spent in the cabins, telling tales and dining with the other travelers. We met a British nobleman, Lord Reeves, who had just returned from the Americas. This was to be his final business trip before he would return to settle in the colonies.
It was a long trip, and yet the time passed ever so quickly with the help of good company. We arrived in Nippon. Through an introduction written by Benicio's uncle, Guillermo, we were then accepted into the company of the Araki clan. Their youngest, Hirohiko, did his best to welcome us.
Much of the time in our first few weeks was spent drinking sake with Hirohiko, a man in love with the world, music, and fashion.
But it was then that I found "it".
It still supports the industry. And most of the time anime is just advertising something else (like, for example, TOYS LINE or MANGA).
nice blog, faggot
So they are really shitty fans then. I wouldn't even call them fans.
It's like calling retards from /tv/ who masturbate to Disney girls films fans. They obviously aren't.
Benicio had invited me to a parlor, a geisha house as one might call it. Much of our walk there was spent with me reminding my good friend that this was haram, but he assured me that we weren't going there for the women, for something amazing he had discovered the previous night.
We arrived at the place, and were escorted to a room in the far corner of the mansion. We sat there and waited, with drinks in hand. I kept asking Benicio what it was he brought me for, but he kept assuring me that it was something that was best seen, not heard.
Eventually, an old man entered. He carried with him a strange device. He seemed to recognize Benicio, and was delighted by my presence as well. He soon began to prepare the tool he had brought with him.
In time, the old man directed us to "look at wall in-front," and as we did something came into view.
At first, there was a light. The light had covered the wall in a blank whiteness, accentuated by popping blackness. In time, a young girl came into view, but not like any Benicio or I had seen before.
She had a cute face, but her body was covered with the most amazing musculature I had ever seen. She soon began to flex, and perform different feats of strength.
Once the show was over, I turned to the old man and asked, in my broken Japanese,
"Korea war nani death car?"
And he replied,
"Kore wa anime desu."
I learned that the figure on display was that of the patron Japanese goddess, Kinniku-chan, who was greatly revered in all of Edo. Unable to fully portray her appearance within the material world, they turned to art to display it. This eventually turned into "moving art", or "animation", as it were, and we had witnessed the fruits of their labor.
I soon returned to my homeland, after receiving a letter informing me that my father had gotten into the sugar vats again, but this would be a memory that I would always keep in my heart.
>The football industry is full of people who watch copious amounts of porno and like to drown themselves in beer and fastfood.
You can do that with anything.
They were fan of Disney because disney was the only source of animation back then. Do you have no sense of time?
>Watch Japanese films. They are nothing like anime. They are mature and yes, appreciated in the West.
I almost spit the juice I was drinking on my screen. Modern Japanese films are almost exclusively shit.
Yes, supports shit. Thank you, otaku for supporting bad shows.
For fuck's sake it's a misquote. ANN's basically Shitkaku nowadays, purposefully wording something in a more inflammatory way.
Quit your bitching and stop giving them siteviews.
This, basically. He was complaining about the realism in the movement, not about Moeblob show #1453. He's saying nothing about the content, but about the choreography of the characters.
That's what I'm talking about. Why should they need to give up their culture for us to enjoy it? Hollywood somehow magically produces movies where everyone isn't eating sushi and sitting under a kotatsu, and they're still commercially successful in Japan. Why can't Japanese movies be Japanese and still good?
That's almost cute.
They aren't. Kore-eda is a great director with sensibilities matching the great Ozu.
Who gives a shit what you think? No, seriously, when has your and every other bigshot director's opinion ever been relevant?
You want to criticize, and criticize, and criticize, and expect people to take you seriously?
>Watch Japanese films. They are nothing like anime. They are mature and yes, appreciated in the West.
This will be the third time I am asking this. Does that fucker even know what he's criticising? Is there possibly an example of deficient animation being done by shut-in, otaku animators? Who ARE these otaku animators?
May you please just give this guy a public ban already?
Mizoguchi movies were far more Japanese than any anime. And well, they were successful in the West.
Why is this getting posted every day?
Thank you for your understanding, but I think it's already too late. Abandon thread.
why the fuck would he care
his pretencious crap cant even be called anime its disney tier children shit
le niwaka face when /a/ is mad that miyazaki is correct
Have you told someone about this?
I like Kore-Eda but... Ozu? Seriously?
Maybe when you can answer >>101462562. Until then, he's criticising a non-existent phenomenon.
An emotional reaction is no proper measure for an argument's validity.
Japanese sounds like Corean when they speak outside anime
>This will be the third time I am asking this. Does that fucker even know what he's criticising? Is there possibly an example of deficient animation being done by shut-in, otaku animators? Who ARE these otaku animators?
He does know what he's criticizing, ANN just makes it sound stupid as hell. He's saying the characters in anime don't MOVE like real people anymore. He's complaining that the way the characters move aren't realistic. He's not saying that he thinks Otaku interests are ruining the industry - he barely mentions that in the original. He's not saying the animators are all shut-in hikkis who can't "stand to look at people", he's saying they need to look more closely at moving people to get an idea of how to animate that motion.
ANN viral advertising
Yes. Still Walking was very Ozu-like, don't you think?
Yet one of the most praised recent Japanese films is basically an anime.
Go watch The Wind Rises
When it was shown on theaters in Japan it was basically Adults ONLY
>Who ARE these otaku animators?
The anime community is pretty dang small. Everyone knows each other, and Miyazaki is no exception. It's not like he's a recluse with no connection to the industry.
The weird thing is that there are a nice handful of otaku animators/directors that are actually good, like Anno and Imaishi. But I guess that's not enough.
>Otaku are ruining the industry!
>They are by buying pillows, figs, and jack off all day
This was made by a doujin circle.
Exactly, which is why I would like to see a clip of unrealistic walking animation, or something akin to that.
Never heard of him. Bet if I look it up, he wast pre-war and received critical acclaim post-war
My god, it's as though I'm a psychic! Or maybe it's just the fact that white guilt causes western critics to review war-era directors well in order to make themselves feel better. What a brave opinion, enjoying their nationalist propaganda AFTER we nuke them.
It's far better than most anime, but yeah, it's j-pop.
>one of the most praised
Do some more research on sakuga or whatever yourself then.
Otaku = one who is obsessed with anime
We have these types of people in every industry.
Car industries have car nerds but there isn't a special word for them.
Movie industries have movie nerds but there isn't a special word for them.
Art, music, train, bike, sport does too.
The west does have a equivalent word. Nerd. I suspect the only reason the word "otaku" was coined is because it is the first major obsession phenomena the japanese have known since the war. Anime fandom dominated that scene when anime became widely popular.
A N I M E
If otaku animators are killing the industry, how come old Gainax was the best studio ever?
>Otaku = one who is obsessed
Most stereotypical otaku are obsessed with cute girls, not anime.
This implies fresh blood, then. Maybe, for example, Bahi JD? But I'm not well-versed in animation and its up-and-coming talents.
Most animators nowadays are otaku. Or at the very least pretty devoted anime fans.
>I didn't read
Thanks for clarification.
Because old Gainax was full of actual artists that knew how to draw and animate. It's partially their fault for why the modern industry is full of people who don't know anything outside of anime. Gainax inspired them, but didn't teach them.
No, Otaku isn't for anime alone, mongoloid.
Car lovers = Car Otaku
Train lovers = Train Otaku
Game lovers = Game Otaku
It's not an anime exclusive term.
Bahi is an exception. He was already a great artist (because art school) before he got into animating. He's also not very otaku-like at all. He only likes certain "normalfag-tier" anime, like Bebop, GiTS, and Jin-Roh.
W H Y I S T H I S A T H I N G N O W ?
W H A T I S T H E P U R P O S E O F I T ?
This article was about an interview with an anime industry insider asking about anime in the context on anime. Thus the term "otaku" correctly translates into anime lover. Not a generic fan of something.
It's a /v/ and /vg/ thing which explains these threads.
Could you give me any names on who you think is a newcomer to the animation industry that perfectly embodies Miyazaki's criticism? I'm not a fan of generalisations, and I do like to put a face on things.
Honestly, I'm not even an otaku, just a hiki NEET.
I don't even understand the at what point you stop being a guy that likes stuff, to an otaku or nerd.
Is it when you become obsessive?
Because it doesn't seem like a lot of you are obsessive at all.
Or is it just anyone that society sees as a loser and/or has little to no social skills?
>Howl's Moving Castle
>not about little girls on a fantasy adventure
Ok, maybe they aren't "little," but they're still underage.
Na /int/ does it a lot more.
I go on /v/ occasionally, it's not too bad if you go on at the right time of day, there's no need to hate it so much.
Also, I've only seen that a couple times, and I am on here all the time.
>obsessed over films, watches all kind of movies from every period, interested in the history of film, film theory, etc.
>doesn't give a shit about the history of Japanese animation, animation techniques or alternative works, buys dakimakuras, doujins, figurines and other shit
>B-but it's okay! They are real fans of anime!
Nigga you dumb as fuck, Howl's Moving Castle turns her into an old woman, and in Princess Mononoke she's not fucking moe at all.
At what point do you start being Hikki or neet and stop being "temporarily out of work" or "staying inside a bit"?
Its the same phenomena with being otaku/nerd. When your whole daily life activities/free time revolve around anime/object of your obsession, then you become that nerd/otaku. If my whole day revolved around watching anime/manga and talking/discussing anime/manga and learning anime/manga character biography then its time. If you still have time for friends (whose interest is non-anime/manga related) then you're still not otaku enough.
OP, it's been a great run, but... this topic is losing steam. You've got likely less than a week before it stops producing.
>and in Princess Mononoke she's not fucking moe at all.
Not exactly. Arguments over "anime otaku" are perpetual.
>implying Howl isn't the moe little girl of his movie
>in Princess Mononoke she's not fucking moe at all.
Nigga, she's cute and moe as fuck.
>>obsessed over films, watches all kind of movies from every period, interested in the history of film, film theory, etc.
Oh man, don't browse /tv/, especially if you think they give a shit about the industry itself.
You have such of a poor assumption on what a fanatic is supposed to be that I'm wondering if you're angry.
Lucas was right. He made a bunch of fun movies for kids, but then those kids refused to let those movies go when they grew up.
This is bullshit. More anime fans cannot do anything but increase the number of anime that can be made. If you want to make a "deep anime", you either make it good and it will be extremely successful (see: NGE), or you budget yourself because you should know you won't make the same profit as you would if you were to pander (fucking duh).
There are amazing directors even though there are many, many casual ones. One doesn't harm the other. One just has to scale smaller than another because they don't pander to as wide an audience. This is basic product economics.
I wish /tv/ was more like that, I just wanted a place to discuss movies and I'd rather argue about JRPGs vs WRPGs on /v/ than experience /tv/ again.
Anime is an entertainment medium that can be very diverse. It doesn't have to limit itself to the tropes that is always seen (high school settings, slice of life, etc.) It can open itself up to a wide variety of genre's such as sci-fi or fantasy.
However, the anime industry is very close-knit and the only way it can support itself is through is selling to a close-knit community which are otaku or people like us. Which is sad. What's even more depressing is that these fans are a minority withing their country. And it sucks that it costs an arm and a leg just to pre-order ONE volume of a series. It sucks being an anime fan, everything you want is very expensive.
Another problem is the Japanese population itself. There are reports of a lot of young men who are not interested in relationships let alone marriage which is why these shows create "waifu's" in order to sell to otaku. They take advantage of that fact that most of them are loners.
This is why the anime industry at this point is stagnant because the of the lack of ideas that want to expand beyond the tropes that otaku are used to.
They aren't. Neither are people from /a/. Most people here are very casual about their hobby.
/tv/ are more fucked up than us.
I'll cede the point on Howl.
Isn't there Mubi for that?
because he wants the industry to be well off after he dies.
But your judgement is pretty clouded if you think EVERYONE who buys figs, dakis, and doujins don't care of the industry or it's history.
Funnily enough, in America, nobody cares. I buy comics and Action figures to go alongside my Gunpla, figs, and Manga. I care A LOT of researching it's history and get pretty informative sometimes (when it comes to participating in an argument.)
I just have no interest in making it.
>They aren't. Neither are people from /a/. Most people here are very casual about their hobby.
That's because you don't lurk well enough to differentiate people who go on this board or crossboarders.
Not really. I like /tv/ better, but both boards are rather similar.
You can still discuss movies on /tv/, just avoid anything that's come out in the past 1-2~ years, anything to do with girls that they like, or anything to do with Ryan Gosling.
They are autistic I'm pretty sure.
That FOR YOU thing wasn't even really funny the first time, and yet they keep saying it.
It's like that whole "the cake is a lie thing", it wasn't even funny when you read what Ratman wrote on the wall, it was fucking creepy and depressing.
People love their fucking catchphrases though, and they all feel the need to fit in, but everyone would like them more(I would anyway), if they just were their socially retarded spaghetti spilling selves.
They won't get any girls that way, but they weren't getting any girls anyway.
What cut-off points are we talking here?
You just described nearly every american male.
I doubt it.
The sad thing is Miyazaki's words are absolutely right, but I doubt even one fifth of the people bitching about it even bothered to read the article past the headline.
>I doubt it
Are you sure?
/a/ is obsessed with fucking/masturbating, /tv/ is obsessed with their retarded memes.
Both boards are pretty shitty and full of casuals.
By losers, for losers.
"Stop animating it how I wouldn't!"
I never knew Miyazaki would be such a fucking little bitch.
you must really get around, to have such a massive data set to base that statement off of...
;_; it's probably truer than it should be regardless.
>Another problem is the Japanese population itself. There are reports of a lot of young men who are not interested in relationships let alone marriage which is why these shows create "waifu's" in order to sell to otaku. They take advantage of that fact that most of them are loners.
Someone should make an anime about ways to escape this lonely life, with thorough step by step, and it's encouraged you do what the MC does as he goes through it. Like there's a god of happiness or something, and he leads the MC to try out different drugs, like DMT and Psilocybin mushrooms, and go see a psychologist, get a part time job, go to their local gaming shop and try to meet some people that are like them and they can relate to(friends).
I know they made NHK, but that was more about what happens when a hikki NEET is left to suffer, where as this is an educational thing for them to be happy.
>I doubt even one fifth of the people bitching about it even bothered to read the article past the headline
Welcome to modern media. Welcome to modern civilization. Would you like that abridged? With newscaster commentary?
honestly I just think of NHK
Maybe but what are you going to do?
Who watched anime? Otaku ... if you make a anime that they will not watch since its for "mainstream" what happens is nobody will watch it, just cartoons are just simply Disney shit no matter the audience its intended for, if its too adult nobody watches it.
Even Avatar was something that they wanted to bury because it was for the wrong demographics of the network.
Shit, I responded before I read all the way through your post. Apologies while I sudoku.
>He's basically a race traitor
More like you're a racist who uses terms like race traitor in the 21'st century. Are you from a parallel universe where Hitler won or something?
This "Disney shit" is superior in almost every way to most otaku anime.
There are very few anime that could be compared to films like Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King.
And barely any as good as Fantasia.
good job anon, you've capture the spirit of the times very well.
Be happy, you have great talent.
I'm not being sarcastic, I want you to be happyWhy can't I say this kind of stuff to people in real life? Probabaly because people not on 4chan are horrible
Some old guy defending an unpopular opinion until his death, pissing off the fans that made him who he is. Never seen that one before.
Hilarious when pig moe otaku think their opinions are the mainstream.
>pissing off the fans that made him who he is
Nonsense. Miyazaki is mainstream. He is loved by critics and normal people. He isn't successful because of otaku.
It kind of does, though.
Think blockbusters, which unless for children MUST have a sex scene in there somewhere, no matter how out of place.
Think shitty plot, with a lot of fan service.
They're making a Fifty Shades of Grey movie, anon. It's going to be a blockbuster.