Cheer up anons, Madoka aired during your lifetime.
In other news, how does it make you feel to know that Homura has effectivley dismantled Madokami's message of love and hope?
I'm rewatching the series (again) now and it makes me a little sad.
>Madoka aired during your lifetime.
>Homura has effectivley dismantled Madokami's message of love and hope
>magical girls turn into witches
>numbers of witches are limited to the amount of magical girls
>grief seed supply is limited but so are the number of witch attacks
>magical girls don't witch out but die instead
>wraiths are abundant so grief cubes are abundant too
>magical girls have a better hope of surviving but muggles and regular folk get the short end of the stick because of constant wraith attacks
Homura did nothing wrong.
Homura hasn't dismantled Madoka's message of love and hope, she's just being a baby and shows the whole balance theme from the series more clearly.
Madoka created a loophole where she thought she could get away with generating hope. But for all the hope she gave magical girls, an equal amount of despair had to go somewhere.
>using the same grief seed over and over to purify a soul gem results in the grief seed turning into a witch
Why don't magical girls do this again? They'd have a renewable source of grief seeds.
Why didn't Sayaka ask Mami to heal Kyousuke's hand?
How come Mami is permanently K.O. when Charlotte bit of her head? Her soul gem should still be intact since it wasn't bitten.
Why didn't Sayaka wish to revive Mami and then use magic to heal Kyousuke's hand?
Madokami got message of hope. Message of love is Homura's. It's a bit sad that she ruined Madoka's sacrifise, but it was super effective. Homura has done much more for whole series, so she really deserves this.
>How come Mami is permanently K.O. when Charlotte bit of her head? Her soul gem should still be intact since it wasn't bitten.
Her soulgem is on her head and, though people like to forget this, her entire body was chewed up and eaten.
Mahou shoujo "healing" is more like "repair." I don't think it works on normal people.
>Why didn't Sayaka ask Mami to heal Kyousuke's hand?
>Why doesn't Mami just spend her time travelling to different hospitals and healing the shit out of everyone's hands?
>Her soulgem is on her head and, though people like to forget this, her entire body was chewed up and eaten.
I know but Charlotte only bit Mami's neck. Homura should've still been able to retrieve Mami's head along with her cap. Assuming the head survived Homura's bombs.
Go watch the movies.
Madoka sucks. It is not deep, it doesn't point anything, it fails to bring emotion to it's audience and people who glorifies that shit has apperently have no taste.
I've been reading Sayaka/Kyouko doujins all day and I've only masturbated ONCE
What's wrong with me
You have shit taste.
>In other news, how does it make you feel to know that Homura has effectivley dismantled Madokami's message of love and hope?
Homura has good reason not to be bothered.
Stop wasting your virility with such bad taste.
QB pls. You are mad you got outjewed.
There will be a Season 2, right?
You first, faggot.
Maybe yes or maybe no, it's 50/50
I would expect something like Rebuilds after 5-7 years.
It will come
Totally missed this the first time
>no mention of Mami/Kyoko
the shittiest taste of all
Because this doujins don't exist.
The movies didn't add anything that the series didnt already have (with the exception of rebellion and a couple minor things in 2).
But Charlotte ate the shit out of Mami, so no helping her anyway.
The movie added a shot of her soulgem being shattered when she got eaten.
would be nice if different story OVA would come out.
>No baggy eyes
>No shit-eating grin
This is a screencap from movie 2.
I wish I had similar control. I think I already read every non-futa, non-forced doujin I could find of SayaKyou.
Masturbated too much.
Madokafags are the most annoying fanbase in anime.
That happens with almost every big title. SNKfags were unbearable last year.
Nah that award goes to the big three (four including Fairy Fail).
At least Madokafags have taste in quality anime not into typical shounen, ecchi, harem shit.
>And then you realize that the whole show was about Homura and that Madoka a shit
>Madoka was literally just an object through the whole series and Rebellion.
>HOMU NUMBER 1. HOMU BEST MAGICAL GIRL.
See what I mean? Madokafags refuse to admit their shit stinks as much as anyone else.
Any Sayaka x Violinboy fags here?
If you were Sayaka what CD would you buy for him?
Try SAO fags
>dont like the show because its too feely eh
third is actual quote from Daisuki's youtube channel from Episode 4 where this stupid bird from the girl we knew for 5 minutes died.
How can anyone love Homura and insult Madoka at the same time?
is this supposed to be a james bond reference, but instead of the Sean Connery/Roger Moore/ batman/ weird australian guy/ new guy that sucks, it is a number 8. Which is ironic since James Bond's agent number is 007
The salamander anon.
Because Madoka was a cardboard cut out the WHOLE SERIES.
>OH MAN I SHOULD TURN INTO A MAGICAL GIRL
>OKAY I WON'T
Best friend is now magical girl
>OH MAN SHE COULD DIE I NEED TO HELP HER
>OKAY NEVERMIND I GUESS NOT
Madoka was not interesting in the least. Homura was genuinely struggling. Her story was way fucking better. Turning back time thousands of times in order to find a way to protect the one you love.
Whereas Madoka is such a vanilla shit. I'm surprised that Madoka even has fans.
I don't know what that is but doesn't seem like a salamander, anon, you are seeing things that aren't there.
so I'll take it that Homura is actually not James Bond sent on a mission to protect the ambassador's daughter to America, Madoka from SPECTRE's newest villain, kyubey
The ones in the corners.
The definitive choice.
I'd like to think that this is what happened if Sayaka followed Kyouko's advice.
>Look at this picture
Try not to feel.
Rick Astley's greatest hits
But that's the point of timeline 5, that Homura is stopping her every time she wants to transform.
It's Homura's fault that Madoka looks like a cardboard cut. In the other timelines she is always fighting.
Why those lizards had to be there?
She's also doing a very shit job of fighting except for when she's madokami level thanks to who?
Just admit that Madoka would have been a terribly bland character regardless of whether or not Homu had stopped her from transforming.
She was a shit Magical Girl, and would have been killed anyway. You can thank your lord and savior Homura for giving Madoka her god level powers.
>the only one who can kill Walpurgis
>The only reason she could is because of Homura
Homura basically put on a shitty Halloween devil costume, went back in time, ripped Jesus off the cross, and hopped up there herself
Leave it to /a/ to cheer up a cripple.
>loli timelord demon in a shitty walmart succubus costume
>implying you wouldn't put it in her
>not samefag at all
Dat post cooldown anon.
Homura in the first timeline just cries and acts like a coward while Madoka fight Walpurgis alone.
Homura doesn't have time powers long ago. That's Bowmura who became devil.
Character development, of which Madoka has none.
I've been out of the loop for a while. The Madoka movies subbed?
Because Homura keep fucking erase it, go see the series again.
How the fuck can she have character development if she is being taken back in time every one month?
It is impossible to hate Meduka
Is it her period?
Lol stay mad
>Come to a thread about a show you don't like
>Your show is shit, guys!
>Actually, it's not.
>See? They refuse to admit their show is shit!
You just unlocked the true meaning of the series.
Fuck me for trying to discuss something in /a/
No no. He's talking about their shit not their show.
The problem is that she had none to begin with. If you made a show centered around Madoka it'd be a plain jane slice of life piece of shit. Even with Magic. If she was given the chance to develop without Homura, she'd be either dead or a horribly dull character. She's basically the Osaka of this show.
I think there's something that you are painfully unaware of. There is no civility on /a/.
>Fuck me for trying to discuss something in /a/
Just this thread anon. Although Madoka threads in general are becoming more and more shit now that the shitposting meta for rebellion has reached its zenith. April is going to be just complete shit when the slowfags finally watch the bluray rips and the shitposters go to town with what they learned.
I wish that I could erase Rebellion from existing.
I hate her!
>The problem is that she had none to begin with.
She can't even keep herself in not separated condition.
Why? It was pretty good even if I am annoyed with the ending. The shitposting existed before and after the movie. It just took a while for the shitposters to find the right topics to push so we actually had discussion for a month.
In a better world, the whole show would have revolved around Homura traveling back in time to find the perfect route of choices to have Madoka fall in love with her. I would love to see a slice of life anime of a lesbian love story between Homu and Madoka.
This video is better than Rebellion.
As always, music and animation was spot on, but I hated it. Not because of the slight increase of shitposting, but because it just didn't feel like a continuation from where the series left off. I know it's not very specific, but that's just my two cents.
>dat background image
Hameru es una lagartona
>How can anyone love Homura?
>numbers of witches are limited to the amount of magical girls
Wrong! Witches still reproduce by spreading familiars.
>muggles and regular folk get the short end of the stick because of constant wraith attacks
Completely unfounded, we have no idea what the mechanics of wraith attacks are, it's very likely they're significantly weaker than witches so individual attacks are less of a threat.
There was a pretty good thread last night, in general I think adding the Australians to the mix was a positive thing.
Homura did nothing wrong.
Kangaroo go home.
That's wrong, faggot. Akemi Homura did nothing wrong.
I'm just saying, they seem to be nice guys in general. It's good to have new people to discuss it with rather than having the same arguments over and over.
Homura wouldn't like you saying that.
But Homura really would like to fuck Madoka, anon.
That's only for her to do though, not some anonymous pig.
There we go.
Was there a timeline where Homura just said to herself "Fuck this shit I know I gotta do this again" and just raped the hell out of Madoka traveling back in time when she finished?
She is to beta for that
>Homuotter eyes go black when you open the image
In Doujin-land, yes.
fucking what the hell, it happened only once
What are you babbling about?
>Homura undid Madoka sacrifice but not her wish, Law of Circles is just a law now, without the Human aspect of it.
Is it somehow bad?
Yes, Yuri Valhalla doesn't exist.
Homura is suffering now. Madoka wouldn't want that.
Man, I remember that doujinshi where Homura raped Madoka´s corpse with her futa dick, went back in time for accident and cum all over in Madoka´s face in classroom
She would suffer much more in Madoka's valhalla.
So are wraiths still the norm in the new world, or did Nightmares + Homu's Familiars replace them?
I mean technically we're still in Homu's Barrier.
I like to believe that we live in a post S2 timeline where Sayaka and Nagisa have risen up and overthrown Homura. Madokami is restored and forgiven Homu and they all now rest in Yuri Heaven.
S2 have already happened and the megucas have already experienced it. It's just us with limited temporal vision who are still waiting for it to come out.
Wraiths are normal. Other things may or may not be happening, Urobuchi said he doesn't know.
No she wouldn't. That's the whole point of valhalla.
That's the whole point of Homura that she is not ok with any result.
Because she thinks Madoka is suffering. Valhalla is a nice place and if she went there I'm sure she'd see that Madoka is having a fine time.
>belly of a soul-eating monster
Well, at least it has chairs.
Do you understand that Homura will better die or destroy everything than accepting Madoka's sacrifice. That's the point which Rebellion made. Homura won't give up anymore like she did in 12th episode.
Don't be silly.
Gretchen =! Madokami.
Well, with Homura taking the humanity of Madokami they are probably the same thing now anyway.
Sayaka and Nagisa seems to enjoy Valhalla. When they came back they were at peace with themselves unlike when they were magical girls.
Sayaka still had regrets, and Nagisa wanted cheese. How can it be a good place, if it doesn't have cheese?
Having a poorly-stocked larder doesn't make it a bad place.
Probably they have cheese but doesn't taste like anything because they don't have real bodies, they are just souls.
Stop talking about Rebellion. I'm waiting for the Blu-ray so I can't enjoy the conversation.
All Madoka threads are Rebellion threads now, sorry. You could always watch the camrip.
Can't be helped. You're better off getting out of /a/ or filtering if you don't want spoilers.
Better give up and see the movie already. I did that in order to be in the threads. Also, someone care to explain me the Nightmares? What happen with the demons?
I lack Madoka reaction images
Nonsence. What else don't they have? Everything besides chairs?
So Madokami cannot even make proper cheese? Because Homura's cheese wasn't actually real too.
No, he's saying that even if it is proper cheese, without corporeal bodies they can't strictly speaking, "eat" it.
Nightmare is a pure Homura creation. It falls somewhere in between witches and wraiths which seems fitting for someone who's seen both systems.
Homura wanted a traditional magical girl setup for her dream world. So she can't have witches, wraiths are probably too grimdark for her too so she came up with a new novel concept.
Reminder that Fancutfags are releasing superior versions every Thursday.
But anon, even with corporeal bodies, when magic girls eat cheese is it actually them eating cheese or the body eating cheese?
If the sensation of eating cheese is just a feedback from their lich body, then is there any difference between corporeal body eating cheese and some kind of direct stimulation against the soul gem to make the soul feel as if it's eating cheese?
Nightmares are Homulilly's plush toys, which she uses to play with magical girls. Apparently they have to treat them food and sing them songs to send them to heaven.
Wraiths(proper name for demons) are the real threat, but they are outside.
Their "lich" bodies are still perfectly capable of feeling normal sensations. Souls, on the other hand, have no taste buds.
Fuck Homura, that bitch needs to just leave everyone alone. She creeps Madoka out and makes everyone miserable, like that loser kid you unwillingly invite to your birthday party who ruins everything for everyone by just existing.
We don't know, man, for all we know Nagisa is a little shit who doesn't like the cheese that Madoka does.
Souls don't have nerve endings either, yet can be made to feel pain.
Fuck off /sp/
Now what are you going on about?
I see, so while everybody were at Homura´s Heaven the Wraiths were free to move? Sound like a bad thing
Another question: in the Homura Akuma´s new world does Magical Girls still exist?
When QB was torturing Sayaka he applied pain directly to her Soul Gem bypassing the body.
If you could directly project pain onto a soul, who's to say you can't directly project the sensation of eating cheese onto a soul?
I doubt it sadly. Unfortunately, unlike Bill Murray / Rika / etc., she doesn't have the freedom to say, "fuck my goals, I'm gonna screw around." She would probably witch out.
It was her body that felt the pain, not her soul. He was using magic to simulate the sensation of being stabbed with a spear. Without a body, she wouldn't even have a consciousness.
>Wraiths are the real threat
Nightmares are perfectly capable of destroying an entire city if they are left unchecked, for all we know Wraiths are so weak that they need to attack in groups just to catch a group of people.
>Nightmares are perfectly capable of destroying an entire city if they are left unchecked
Nightmare fights seem to take place in a barrier-type of place, what with the quilt sky. And Mami and Madoka just fix the buildings right up anyway. They're not very threatening. Wraiths apparently have lasers.
The whole universe is now Homura barrier, so there's that.
I don't see what that has to do with anything.
I wonder how many Japanese people died from the earthquake before the finale. ;_;
Woah hang on, you're getting confused.
When people say "Dream World" they normally refer to the world Homura created inside of her isolation field enveloped Soul Gem. Most "people" you see inside this world are nothing but Homura's minions putting on a show. A few people are lured into this world by Homura since the isolation field is one way and made to feel as if they're still in Mitakihara. Godoka, Sayaka and Nagisa infiltrated that world to free / wake up Homura.
Outside of this dream world the real world still exists, so presumably there are still other magical girls around fighting Wraiths.
After Homura becomes devil she recreates the universe into her idea of an ideal world. Magical girls still exist there, people are real people and not just her minions, but her reality bending power allows her power over everyone, like say rewriting people's memory.
We had a really big discussion yesterday on weather or not this new universe is "physical" or some kind of universal witch barrier that Homura is applying over reality. We didn't come to any consensus and there probably isn't that much difference in between the two.
Urobuchi said that girl, who lost her body could learn to scan her surroundings and do other stuff with magic. So she would have a consciousness.
That Nightmare don't need a barrier now because Homura could provide them with one, the universe.
Wasn't there an interview confirming that Rika was so apathetic at some points that she slept with most of the main characters? It would certainly be a sight to see if Homura had ever reached that point.
Now what the hell are you talking about? Sayaka lost consciousness when she was separated from her soul gem.
Nightmares don't exist anymore.
Not him, but I feel like what's going on there is that the body needs to die for the link to be severed completely. When the Soul Gem is >100m away, it's like having a "searching for signal" sort of thing going on.
That's how I see it anyway.
It's probably true. In Kazumi there was a magical girl who was two soul gems sharing a single body. Most of the time one girl will be running the body yet the other seems to be aware of how things went down.
Her final form has both of them inhabit the body at the same time allowing access to both half's magical powers.
Don't talk to me about Kazumi, none of the shit that happens there makes any sense. In the actual series, it is demonstrated that a magical girl without a body has no perception.
Kazumi is irrelevant.
So in the new universe the Wraiths are the enemies of magical girls? As far I know Homura enslaved the incubators but for what purpose?
But she has a body that's unconscious and her gem is returned to her before the body expires.
Yes, wraiths are still the enemies of magical girls.
>Homura enslaved the incubators but for what purpose?
Because they were going to run away and abandon humanity otherwise. She wanted them to continue the magical girl system. And also probably take revenge on them.
We don't have any information on how the magical girl system works in Homura's new universe, save for the fact that magical girls do exist.
Now now, don't be like that. After all Kazumi came up with the idea of the Isolation Field first, Rebellion actually borrowed that concept.
Kazumi is stupid bullshit.
>@hanokage: If a magical girl just damages her external hardware wherever, she might not be able to recover... if all her blood drained out of her neck or something like that, wouldn't that be too much for her restoration magic?
>@Butch_Gen: It's also the case that, if a magical girl who didn't know the truth of the Soul Gems genuinely thought 'I'm dying, I'm dyyyiiing!', her Gem would almost immediately blacken. Also, a girl who's been reduced to just a Gem could use magic to gather information and substitute for her regular senses, but could eventually become unable to do so and lose her awareness.
Don't know how it works, maybe she has to concentrate on that.
In any case, soul gem carries memories for Homura, so it is more than just soul.
The point here is that physical sensations still have to come from the body.
That means magical girls can't have sex in Yuri Valhalla or it works differently?
They have methods.
Valhalla is probably like Instrumentality, their souls are constantly touching.
Souls fusion is more intimate and probably feels just as good.
Why is Madoka such a shitty drawer?
Better than Homura, not even her handwriting is pleasant to look at, kind of like her in general.
When do we get the answer to Madoka like Gurren Lagann to Evangelion?
And then hopefully the Star Driver to that.
What about all this stuff?
You already have Nanoha.
Star Driver on the other hand...
Madoka is not really good at anything but she still tries her best.
Clearly not her own art, just historical documents. Although I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to claim it was her own since she's such a fronting bitch.
Historical documents of witches, right. Makes perfect sense.
Those are her research material, notice some of them are medieval woodcuts of Walpurgisnacht.
This is Homu handwriting, they're trigonometry calculations for distance for her mortars
using the same grief seed would just make the witch stronger everytime it hatches, as I'm aware of.
And where the hell did she get medieval woodcuts of Walpurgis?
She begged for source on /a/.
Walpurgis don't need a barrier to materialize, is not surprising that there is some kind of record of her.
Went from angry to empty inside, I don't think episode 12 will ever really do anything for me emotionally anymore. Oh well, I got to watch the tv series twice before it became nothing.
But where would she get them from? Mami is the most veteran magical girl she knows, and even she only knows rumors.
Why? The message of hope remains for everyone that isn't Homura, and that's all because she can't hope without Madoka being physically with her so she damns herself purposely.
Medieval art? Rich noble magical girls having woodcarvers depict the witch that they failed to kill.
Well, Mami really don't have a reason to investigate Walpurgis.
She has gone through thousands of timelines (maybe). Even if she had to search on foot through the forests of Germany she could easily find the information needed. It's just a matter of how much time she spent.
I really doubt she felt the need to take a trip to Germany just for some pictures of Walpurgis, given that she knows exactly what it looks like and how it fights from the first timeline onward.
Interview state it's under 100 timelines. No I don't have a link to source that, it's been discussed here through countless threads.
If that's the number then I'm wrong about time spent.
Well she does know but she's never beaten it without relying on Madoka. So perhaps she went looking to find some secret information like its weak spot or some such. Or at the very least some other information that might contribute to beating Walpurgis.
>Homura has effectivley dismantled Madokami's message of love and hope?
>Homura has effectivley dismantled Madokami's message of false hope and give a message of love can overcome everything
Stupid reason but I guess its the fact that the Law of Cycles works without Madoka. It kinda feels like "No, you're not needed Madoka. Go back to feeling useless and not helping anyone." Maybe if we were shown that part of Madoka's universe has been damaged like maybe the afterlife aspect I'd feel Madoka is needed. Right now it just feels she simply has good intentions but is not needed in the world.
>So perhaps she went looking to find some secret information like its weak spot or some such. Or at the very least some other information that might contribute to beating Walpurgis.
This, Homura has always been a pretty methodical person. When Kyouko questions how she knows when and where Walpurgis Night will appear she answers "statistics".
I could imagine Homu keeping a spreadsheet on timelines and what events happens on which days.
But the Law of Cycles wouldn't exist without Madoka having made her wish.
Jesus christ how heretical
Yeah because Sayaka and Nagisa sure hated Yuri Valhalla. I'm sure a safe zone where you can learn to accept your grief was an awful afterlife.
>message of love can overcome everything
If anything Homura is the one giving a false message. What did love give Kyoko and Madoka when they tried to use it to get Sayaka back from Oktavia? A dead Kyoko. No magical girl can follow what Homura did so there is no message because apparently no one in the entire world loves someone as much as Homura does Madoka.
I want an angry Madoka/Madokami in a sequel.
Has Madoka ever even gotten angry once in the series? Maybe you can count when she calls the Incubators humanities enemy but she was more depressed than angry.
That is a good point...I guess I've been looking from a Homura perspective for too long.
I still need to think it over, I might end up just watch the original series again some time and see what it does for me emotionally.
The only time Madoka was angry was in Pentagram, she was angry with himself for being such a useless girl who slow everyone and get everyone dead, then she go witch.
We'll probably get something similar in the second season.
Madoka is made up of more love than Homura is, she'd never get mad at anyone. The first thing she'd do when she realizes Homura betrayed her is get depressed and mope how she failed to save her best friend and cry about how stupid she was to let her sink so low.
I want to see Madoka turn her back on Homura before Godoka forgives her in S2
>Homura's face when
like being legitimately mad or just turning her back so Homura can squirm a little before forgiving her?
Also if human Madoka won't forgive Homura why would Madokami forgive her?
Daily reminder that Rebellion is not canon.
When a writer becomes unable to depict the universe of the show properly, the depiction of the universe is no longer accurate. Urobutcher was unable to portray the Madoka universe in an accurate way, either because he usually sucks at writing or because he was forced to continue the story because of Shinbo.
The original series was a masterpiece that almost surpassed art itself.
Rebellion was generic shit that should be forgotten about just like the Star Wars Christmas special.
Well, Madokami knows everything that Homura's been through. Human Madoka doesn't have the benefit of an expanded perspective.
So it's not canon because you don't like it?
>Daily reminder that Rebellion is not canon.
We can only dream.
>he usually sucks at writing
>The original series was a masterpiece that almost surpassed art itself.
I know you're just trying to rile up the "Homu was right" faggots but fuck it I'll bite. What was inaccurate about Rebellion's portrayal of the setting?
Human Madoka is also willing to kill herself to save Sayaka. The most she'd do is argue with Homura's ideology and then just become her enemy, but she'd never turn her back on her. Her being there for her friends is the cornerstone of her character, like how Homura is a cold bitch whose ends justify her means, Mami is a lonely sap who wants to be a senpai, Kyouko is pure at heart but forced to live a rough life, and Sayaka is a slut.
Holy fuck, man! You need a cup of Madoka´s will. Shall I call her paladin?
You're a slut.
Legitimately mad. To human Madoka, Homu has zero reason to fucking over Sayaka. She will have to become Godoka again to understand the bigger picture.
Plus it makes a nice opening for Sayaka & co, since Homu have never been seriously cold shouldered by Madoka. It will make her unbalanced and question herself, during which Sayaka can take advantage and slap some sense into her.
It has nothing to do whether or not I like it.
You have to draw the line somewhere and realize that an artist won't always be able to depict the universe of the original IP properly. If he got fucking dementia and wrote a universe filled with scat-covered octopusses with the Madoka title, we'd all know it's not a true depiction of the Madoka universe, therefore not canon.
Look at the quality difference between the series and Rebellion. They shouldn't even share the same name.
>Look at the quality difference between the series and Rebellion. They shouldn't even share the same name.
So, it's not canon because you don't like it.
Madoka was omnipotent and omnipresent and omni-knowledgeable at the end of the original series, which is inherently canon since it's the original depiction.
Rebellion contradicts with that. Madoka was not omni-anything in Rebellion. Therefore Rebellion cannot be canon.
>Still no London screenings
>Madoka was omnipotent
No she fucking wasn't you stupid piece of shit.
It has nothing to do whether or not I like it.
You have to draw the line somewhere and realize that an artist won't always be able to depict the universe of the original IP properly. If he got fucking dementia and wrote a universe filled with scat-covered octopusses with the Madoka title, we'd all know it's not a true depiction of the Madoka universe, therefore not canon.
Good thing Rebellion didn't involve any scat-covered octupusses. Close call there, eh?
>Look at the quality difference between the series and Rebellion. They shouldn't even share the same name.
Still waiting for your examples anon. The way I see it Rebellion based itself pretty well on what ep. 12 depicted. For instance at the end of the tv series Homura did agree to fight for the world but it wasn't as if she was completely happy in this world. She expressed doubts and fears if Madoka ever existed. The only real change is that ep. 12 seems to depict Homura as having faith in Madoka; Rebellion pretty much confirms that she either never had faith or it went away after Sayaka's death.
She created every universe and destroyed every universe simultaneously. She was omnipotent. Rewatch episode 12/
You sound like a pissed off Homutard with no brain and just like jerking it to those delicious legs, so you were unable to understand her motivation like almost every fucking poster in a Madoka thread.
She did nothing more than destroy every witch. The universe rewrote itself as a consequence of the concept of "the Law of Cycles" coming into existence.
Madoka is only omnipresent.
You forgot the part where Madoka was all-knowing at the end of the series Rebellion didn't include that.
Homura is just a girl.
Deserved to be loved.
I'm not saying this as an insult, but you need to rewatch episode 12. She pulls her bow, and with a single shot, the whole universe is destroyed and recreated. She actively did it, the wish didn't do it.
That was explicitly explained. Before infiltrating Homura's dream world Godoka entrusted her memory to Sayaka and Nagisa to become Madoka again, so as not to attract incubator's attention.
An ugly, useless girl who butched everyone she ever cared about. Nobody would or should ever love her.
Did she say she was all-knowing? No, she did not. She only said that she could see every possible universe. Not to mention she was still suffering from memory loss when she came out of the barrier.
She deserves to be punished
That was her destroying Gretchen, dude. She wasn't targeting the universe. I think you really misunderstood some basic concepts of her wish. The fact that she destroyed all witches is enough to create the new universe.
No, she has no direct power over regular humans. The most she did with them is give her little brother memories of her to create an imaginary friend.
I actually was never involved in "best-girl wars" in Madoka and never participated in the threads that the fanbase had. I was however a huge madokafag and I'm extremely butthurt that they ruined they original series with Rebellion because Madoka was my favorite show. It still is, I guess.
I even drove 6 hours down to LA with a friend to see the premier of the first two movies and then 6 hours back up afterwards ;_;.
If you participated in the threads perhaps you'd come to see Rebellion differently. We've had some very enlightening discussions about the movie. There's a lot of it that you can easily miss just watching it once.
Thank you for posting the screenshot that confirms exactly what I just said.
Madoka is only needed for her potential, potential which was given to her by Homura, her sacrifice, her decisions and everithing she go through was not necessary because Homura could do a better job than her and for free, that's what really piss me off.
Relax, they're going to make more Madoka. The twist at the end of Rebellion is just to keep that door open.
Evangelion didn't have an open end after EoE and they still managed to make Rebuild.
>Homura could do a better job than her
No. Homura's universe is built on Madoka's sacrifice. Madoka still had to make the wish she made in order for any of this to be possible. Homura only modified it in a minor way. Homura herself could never have gotten rid of the witches.
Please ignore the plot holes.
I hope this is true. But still, the original show was a statement on the nature of reality (hope and despair balance out), whereas Rebellion was just focused around an event.
They aren't the same type of show in my mind. Maybe I'll eventually come to think of it differently.
It's only a plot hole if you assume things that were never implied and see Madoka as an Abrahamic god, when in fact she was always a polytheistic-type, fallible god.
Of course they're not the same type of show, that would be redundant. Madoka's story was about hope; Homura's story (Rebellion) was about love.
That's what I mean when I said that Homura did a better job than Madoka, Homura fix everything that was wrong with the system of Madoka without any disadvantage or consequence.
She did not destroy the universe with her will. She destroyed it by creating a paradox and causing it to have to be rewritten. Her wish was to get rid of all witches before they were born, this wish changes the way the universe has been playing out and so it must be destroyed so it could be "rewritten" to fix the paradox. The arrow she shot went back in time to strike the soulgems of magical girls about to become witches, it didn't destroy the universe.
>without any disadvantage or consequence
That remains to be seen. It certainly wasn't Homura's intention to "fix" the system, she only wants Madoka to be happy. There are familiars running around the world when they shouldn't exist at all, and Homura is clearly insane.
>Of course they're not the same type of show, that would be redundant
I agree. There shouldn't have been a movie at all, even if the movie was the same as the series. It should've just been the original series.
>telling a new story is redundant
Now you've lost me.
Still is a plothole, even if Madoka is only omnipresent she knew about the possibility of Akuma and did nothing to prevent it.
She is all-knowing in a way, but not really. She can see what events happen, yes, but she can't necessarily see why these things happen. Nothing says she can read minds, nothing says she suddenly learns everything there is to learn in all subjects.
Basically, it would look like she can see every universe there is and could be just because she has to be able to so she could stop any witches from being born as her wish dictates.
If she could really see all universes, why couldn't she see the universe where Homura uses her "god powers" to create an entirely new universe?
Characters acting in ways other than you think they should is not a plothole. Madoka fully trusts Homura, she's her best friend after all. Madoka is a very trusting person.
>familiar running around
under her control, even if they insult her and what not they'll do what she orders them to do.
paranoid about losing control of Madoka, and self-destructive but not insane.
There was no consequences shown, its pretty fucking annoying of the writers to not even show a hint that some consequence occurred.
>under her control
What about the other familiars, the pyotrs and anthonies and whatnot?
>There was no consequences shown, its pretty fucking annoying of the writers to not even show a hint that some consequence occurred.
There's plenty hints. It's an ambiguous ending, but if you want to look for signs of bad things in the future, you'll find them. The half-moon, the half-Luminous, falling off the cliff, Homura saying that one day she may have to be enemies with Madoka...her dream world can't last forever.
>What about the other familiars
Under the orders of Sayaka and Nagisa, they simply were trapped in the barrier like everyone else, you can argue that they can become witches if left alone but I really doubt that is the case considering that they must be purified by the Law of Cycles.
>There's plenty hints.
That's all stuff that Homura is inflicting on herself because she hates herself, they aren't direct consequences of her actions.
There's really no indication that her actions had a negative impact in the world.
>What about the other familiars, the pyotrs and anthonies and whatnot?
Don't really know what to think considering they don't seem to be harming humans. Not sure if I'd accept them suddenly craving the taste of manflesh in a sequel.
>half-moon, half-luminous, falling off the cliff
Seems to be Homura related problems, not actual problems with the world.
>enemies with Madoka
not really all that suspenseful because we know that Madoka will never hate Homura or not forgive her.
Does anybody know, if there's finally a better upload of the 3rd movie?
I can understand if there are only screenings available, but the one that I found didn't even show a good third of the screen.
Familiars shouldn't exist, period, they should be purified with the rest of the witches before they can come into existence. Something is wrong if they're allowed to wander around.
>That's all stuff that Homura is inflicting on herself because she hates herself
Pretty sure the half-moon isn't part of Homura. Moons shouldn't look like that.
>not really all that suspenseful because we know that Madoka will never hate Homura or not forgive her.
Oh, come on. You think that means there will be no conflict? Regardless of Madoka's feelings, she subconsciously wants to be a goddess again. Homura will never accept that. One way or another, they have to be enemies when that time comes.
Second part was supposed to quote >>101479192
>end where Madoka lost her friendship with Homura and Homura ends all alone
>Madoka does nothing to prevent it
>somehow this makes sense in character
She listened to Sayaka's advice and embraced her inner witch rather than hunting it. That's why none of the familiars are violent and are coexisting with people.
Madoka didn't think it was something that would actually happen, because she trusts Homura.
She deserved to be excuted. Look at her witch form.
Yes, but why?
Madoka's omniscience is a funciton of her omnipresence. If she's not omnipresent she's not omniscient.
I don't think listening to Sayaka's advice had anything to do with it. She realize that her despair was dear to her because it was all for Madoka's sake. In Sayaka's case, it was more about forgiving herself and getting over her mistakes, not relishing them.
She got angry at QB, kinda. I mean, she yelled at him, called him the enemy of mankind etc.
Remember what Homura says to Madoka before they blow up Kyubey's seal? She says she'll take any sin and be reduced to any form as long as Madoka is by her side.
Madoka thought Homura was saying she wanted to be with her. So did the viewer
In hindsight we now know this wasn't the case.
>Madoka aired during my lifetime
I was happy enough
Remember, Madoka killed herself to kill people.
This thread is quite slow now.
Everyone should post Nagisa/Charlotte pics since my folder for her is practically empty.
Nagisa a qt
Nagisa a shit.
The pain was overwhelming, Mami thought as she let Nagisa do what she wanted with her body. She was not quite used to regenerating her body as the other magical girls. Especially not gaping wounds of the flesh. Nagisa was biting her, not only that, but ripping, chewing, and swallowing. Apparently Nagisa liked, well not just liked, but loved the taste of her body. In their first few sensual nights together, she always nibbled a bit, but never really went too far with it. However, Nagisa always seemed a bit disappointed after those nights. Nagisa kept refusing to tell her, but Mami went on the verge of tears demanding to know since she couldn't feel right. When Nagisa confessed her desires, Mami in that situation felt she could do nothing but accept them.
Right now, Nagisa was gorging on Mami's breasts. Her friends always playfully called them "Mami's Mammies." Nagisa was however feasting so fast as to force her ribs to show. For that moment, she was the flattest of the entire group. Nagisa went in for a quick kiss with her face covered in gore and strange fluids before moving on to another part of her body. Was some of it milk? It felt quite disgusting, but Nagisa kissed far more passionately than usual to the point Mami could not help but return it as best she could.
Mami was enduring was what she thought, but then she realized she was wet from this. She was getting used to it. This rabid play of consumption where she was the meal. As Nagisa was moving her mouth, she felt herself squirm not only from pain, but pleasure as well. It seemed Nagisa noticed as well, with her knees and legs usually near her crotch. Nagisa was making her way down, slowly, but surely. Nagisa finally reached Mami's privates and had flipped herself showing her crotch to Mami's face. It was quite the sight to Mami, dripping ferociously unlike anything she had seen on nights before. She didn't have much time to reflect on it however as Nagisa had started again. It was a long night
I will cut you.
Agreed, I want to feed Bebe a quesadilla.
Homura made them maintain the suffering of the LoC inside them that´s why they look so fucked up on the final scene
Anthony is really the best.
All the suffering goes to the Incubators now that´s why they look so fucked up at the end
I see your Anthony and raise you rental Anthony
When is this doujin getting scanned damn it
Madoka is omniscient only because she is omnipresent. If something were to interrupt her omnipresence, then she is no longer omniscient.
>Madoka won't forgive Homura why would Madokami forgive her
Because Homura do the right thing and Madoka knows that.
What are those things they use as weapons, anyway? Ornamental toothpicks?
If Madoka is omniscient, and she gave half of her omniscience each to Sayaka and Nagisa, does that make them demigods for the duration of Rebellion?
I don't think she gave them her omniscience, they were just holding on to her memories.
>doing anything right
Madoka finally knows that Homura can't be trusted and is completely insane. The only way to make things right again is either kill the crazy bitch or reset her memories so she's Moemura again and isn't lusting after cosmic pussy 24/7.
Do you even know others Gen's work?
All of his work have the ending pretty much like in rebellion
Its just not Canon because you never look at the series at the same perspective as the writer and when he reveal the true nature of the shows, u got mad?
>understand all of it
>don't understand it
Let me get this straight. Kyubey trapped Homura in this isolated space so that she can become a witch without Madoka trying to save her. In this space she created this fake world, and somwhow (?) she realized it was fake. Then Kyubey wanted her to discover it was fake so he could find out if Madoka can save her and therefore try to control Madoka, but Homura decided to just become and angry witch. Then I don't understand why Sayaka and that BB were there, but they ended up destroying Kyubey (?).
Homura wakes up (?) and Madoka comes to take her to Yuri Valhalla, but then Homura decided to instead captre Madoka and become a Demon (?). Now she created a new world where everything is to her liking, except that Sayaka is still a magical girl and Madoka still remembers that she was a God (?).
The question marks are all the parts that I don't fully understand. Someone pls help I'm a retard ;_;
My guess is marching band baton
You should probably watch it again
Takes about three times for the movie to really sink in, but once it does get through it's actually pretty simple.
It already is and has been for several weeks now.
>An ugly, useless girl who butched everyone she ever cared about. Nobody would or should ever love her.
>A beatiful, strong will girl helping everyone she care about and give them a happy life. Noboy would or should ever hate her
Well when is it going to get translated damn it
Not the guy you're replying to, but the ending of Rebellion and the ending of the original series are both very Urobuchi-esque endings in their own ways. I thought when it came to Madoka he was sort of living up to his promise, in the end, to writing a "healing type" anime. The ending of Madoka is nice and bittersweet. That last scene with Homura and Tatsuya is one of the best bittersweet moments I've ever seen in a show. It was really powerful.
I didn't really care for Rebellion but I don't think you can say it's "not canon" with reference to its content alone.
>Homura's universe is built on Madoka's sacrifice
So Madoka get her happy human life back is count as sacrificed?
I came in with no expectations and I thought it was pretty good. That option is not on your poll.
Forest Village doujins usually get scanlated, give it some time.
Homura changed an aspect of Madoka's wish, but that doesn't mean Madoka's wish never happened.
We still never got that one with Hitomi translated.
>lobotomizing all your "friends" and denying their true self is "helping everyone".
>Non translated FV doujin
Gee, I wonder why. But seriously, you would think those KyouSaya worshipers at yuri-ism would have done it years ago.
>The universe that might one day be
Because Homura makes a miracle and break out from the tragic fate. That's why she create a new possibility of the future where everyone can live happily that Madokmi can't perceive
Exactly! I don't know what the deal is. Don't they only like to do stuff they can personally acquire the raws for or something? They're weird.
>Don't they only like to do stuff they can personally acquire the raws for or something?
Exactly that, I hardly have ever seen them working with public raws. They're weird sometimes, considering it's just a two people team.
Familiars turn into witches when they feed on humans right?
Why don't the megucas just let the humans get eaten? I'm sure if they get together they can come up with a system that ensures they have enough grief seeds for everybody.
What's the story with the spear Oktavia card? Did she actually appear in the movie?
How could that come about? Kyouko isn't part of LoC, and that particular Kyouko don't even know the connection between Oktavia and Sayaka.
Because that would be UNJUST.
> to writing a "healing type" anime
That's just a bluff because his name was leak before the tv series air. Later he apologise for tricking people by telling that he is a"healing type" writer.
>What's the story with the spear Oktavia card?
Pandering to SayaKyoufags.
Oktavia got a spear because Sayaka of FRIENDSHIP
That's why she take Madoka's back so she don't have to sacrificed for her own wish anymore and she will do something about law of cycle by herself. (probably since never told at the ending)
How many times have you re-watched madoka?
3rd time in progress here
speaking as a SayaKyoufag, the amount of fan pandering in the movie really got on my nerves
More times than I can count.
>caring about muggles
Magical girls sacrifice themselves to protect humanity and the universe but they only get death and despair. Humans on the other hand constantly wage war and kill each other.
The series, four. When it aired, when the BDs came out, some time last year and again this Christmas.
Then Rebellion two times for now, raw and subbed. Will watch again when the BD comes out.
So you said Madoka wants to die and becomes nothing so she can be a hero?
I bet she prefers to "helping everyone" without leaving everyone she love and turn into nothinng.
Magical girls sacrifice themselves for their wishes. It is their choice whether to use their power selfishly or for the good of others. As the only ones who can, it should be their duty to save people from witches and familiars.
/a/ once came up with a fanfic idea:
Rewind back to episode 8, suppose Madoka wished for a way to save Sayaka before she and Kyouko went into Oktavia's barrier. By absorbing the grief directly out of the barrier in reverse they purify Oktavia's Grief Seed back into a Soul Gem. In the process both of their Soul Gems completely darken but Homura shows up in time with her stockpile of spare grief seeds in her shield and it's tearful reunions all round.
Before long though word leaks out, all the other less moralfag magical girl cliques being stocking up grief seeds in case they need to save themselves, going as for as helping incubators induct new girls and then tormenting them into witchdom just to farm them
>going as for as helping incubators induct new girls and then tormenting them into witchdom just to farm them
That's silly, Kyouko's method of feeding people to familiars makes a lot more sense.
5 or 6. I'm due for a rewatch soon.
See this is why it's bad that they made Homura's actions seem to have no consequences on the world. There is now no reason for Madoka to become a goddess again. The only justifiable reason for the audience to want Madoka to become a goddess again is if something bad happened to the universe like say there is no more afterlife for Magical Girls and instead they just get absorbed into Madokami losing all their individualism.
A sequel needs to show some consequences badly or else we have no reason to want Madoka back into godhood.
I watched the tv series twice, once alone and once with my brother.
I've seen Rebellion once in theaters.
>A sequel needs to show some consequences badly
I'm pretty sure if they do make a direct continuation, they will do exactly that. They know that there needs to be a reason for the conflict.
But humans are cruel and constantly. They kill and enslave each other.
Why should magical girls die for them? In fact, the Earth would be a much better place with mahou shoujo in charge.
All hail the new master race.
I thought that was Rei form the thumbnail.
But humans are cruel and constantly kill and enslave each other.
Why should magical girls die for them? In fact, the Earth would be a much better place with mahou shoujo in charge.
All hail the new master race.
There's obviously some kind of reason since Madoka almost reawakened again.
But Madoka shouldn't have to sacrifice herself, I don't know why you're so determined to make sure she does.
>lifespan of 1-10 years
>selfishness that becomes even worse through magical influence
No, also Magical Girls had their chance to rule the world but failed. Pic related, the conqueror of the magical queen! She even had that traitor Mark Anthony to help but still lost to Augustus!
Humans are just magical girls without magic. Also some of them are male. They're inherently no better or worse.
If something is wrong with the world then yes Madoka has to sacrifice herself to fix that problem; especially if its something as important as say the afterlife of all magical girl kind. She accepted that responsibility and has repeatedly shown Homura that she didn't regret it.
Did you just make this
It was from a thread last night
It's pretty spectacular
We've worked on a lot of publicly available material.
She accepted it because she had no choice, she could not simply leave her friends and magical girls in general to suffer after what she knew.
Also there is no magical girl afterlife, it's just a collective of souls chained to the "law of cycles".
The problems with the new world likely have to do with "order", whatever that means. Or something Homura mentions about the night still being half-eaten, whatever that means.
Do you stiil plan on doing some HomuSaya?
Where is the HomuSaya?
You said there would be HomuSaya
Well, for what I can understand Madokami doesn´t really eliminate the witches but recollect them before they born. Does that mean she use them as her own army of Justice? For that part in the movie where Sayaka and Nagisa fought alongside the familiars.
There just isn't enough HomuSaya bullying in the world.
>don't forget that kindness can bring forth even greater suffering
There will be. My order from Japan was delayed
>Also there is no magical girl afterlife
>She accepted it because she had no choice, she could not simply leave her friends and magical girls in general to suffer after what she knew.
That's still a choice, experiences dictate the choices we make as much as personality.
>also there is no magical girl afterlife
Sayaka and Nagisa seem to have retained pretty much all of their individuality despite being the closest to Madokami. That alone makes it an afterlife even if they are technically a part of the LoC.
Can't really say much about the problems shown with the new world, hell it's still not even official that something is genuinely wrong with Homura's world. However if Homura's actions end up sending all of history's magical girls into oblivion I would say that cross a line of how far you can go to attain happiness-even for someone else.
Thank you very much based Yuri-ism.
>Sayaka and Nagisa seem to have retained pretty much all of their individuality despite being the closest to Madokami. That alone makes it an afterlife even if they are technically a part of the LoC.
More than that, all the former magical girls seems to get on pretty well, hence Gertrud loaning out her minions to Sayaka for Rebellion.
>>lifespan of 1-10 years
There's 8 billion humans on the planet. Mahou Shoujo is less than 1% of the total.
You think MS could live very long lives if they run some sort of human farm? Immortality even?
First that lifespan comes from the fact that oldest Magical Girl that became a witch in the canon was about 21 when she turned. (It's the birdcage witch that Homura kills)
2. They may be able to be immortal, but a Magical Girls body still ages. Maybe they could use magic to revert the effects of aging on their bodies. Also I seem to recall that the older a magical girl gets the weaker she becomes.
Will this be the first ever translated HomuSaya doujin?
I wouldn't mind a TUMBLING DOWN / congratulation style mindtrip ending to a future S2 with Homura finally leaning to accept Godoka.
>the older a magical girl gets the weaker she becomes
Can't they choose to indefinitely be a little girl?
If they spend the magic I assume they can preserve their bodies to not age or maybe even become younger.
Guys I want to get into Madoka, where do I start?
Or you could just steal some other magical girl's body
You start over at www.google.com
Have you tried watching Madoka
Never. I've seen plenty of threads about it and i'm interested. Is the 12 episode anime the first thing to watch?
I thought it would've had multiple seasons is why I ask
Buy the most expensive Figma.
Or a fresh cadaver or a regular human.
Guys, could you please post few Mami pics?
I need two more to reach 500 in her folder.
I think she can grant them the power to become witches, under their own control of course.
Also can someone answer me this: In the Homuverse why did Sayaka not end up with Kyousuke? It looks like everyone got their happy ending yet Sayaka didn't get the guy. Why?
She wouldn't be happy with him anyway. Hitomi sure wasn't.
Homu has to have someone to abuse.
Did Hitomi look happy with Kyousuke in Homu's dream world? I thought so.
Homura's goal is to create an ideal world, she knows better than to pair Sayaka with Kyousuke from all her time travelling experience. That's why she changed it so Kyouko is in their school and setting next to Sayaka.
Also, Sayaka and Kyousuke didn't get together in the real world, so in the interest of making the dream world slightly more believable it makes sense to preserve that detail.
Nakazawa confermed for the only guy who can ungay Homura.
We M/a/mi now.
So, /a/, if you were Homura, how would you bully Sayaka?
I'd kill her quickly and leave it at that.
That would actually be buglah, just so you know. A trumpet has valves.
I'd kill myself for being a horrible human bean
I'd become Madoka's best friend.
I wouldn't. Sayaka is too precious and sweet to bully.
Make her cosplay while I shitpost.
I love you.
I... I... okay, I take it. Love you too.
Friendship over love, uh? Well better that anything
Yeah, but I was talking about the former witches "helping" Madokami as warriors, or is only a special occasion (saving Homura)?
So...Homu was shipping Kyouko and Sayaka the entire time?
I would split open her soul and rip out all of the memories she hold dearest one by one, until she's nothing but an empty shell living happily and oblivious through life.
Then on her death bed I'll impersonate one of her grand grand children. Watch her take her last breath as Kyouko holds her hand and take the secret of the world with her to her grave, only to be interrupted by her final utterance of "transfer student" and flip my shits.
Then I'll start all over again and try to figure out what I've missed.
Force her to be my ride, of course. Everyone else gets a happy life full of presents, while she gets to be the bitch.
According to Battle Pentagram Homura ships everyone with everyone.
Clearly we live in a world where Kyubey's civilization was destroyed.
This would fix everything.
There is the heat death of the universe, but our sun will have long since broken down by then. I'm sure that if it gets to that point and humans are still around we'll have figured out a better way around it than Kyubey did.
Make sure the guy she likes is still seeing that other girl that's perfect for him in the new world and she can only try to be happy for him, give her strange new powers on occasion like the ability to melt all clothing she's touching when too excited, and make it so that one of Homura's children familiars is now Sayaka's younger sister as far as anyone in the world remembers aside from her.
The heat death thing have always bothered me. I love The Last Question so if the (only) solution to reverse entropy was actually to harvest little girl's emotions then I don't how I feel about QB anymore.
>YFW incubators are AC
According to Pentagram i'm not really sure Madoka is the main protagonist anymore. Its like dating sim with Homura as the main protagonist.
>Its like dating sim with Homura as the main protagonist.
That's because Battle Pentagram is a dream of Ribbon Homura.
I'm just not sure why Homura would want to bully Sayaka. Seems like she would rather give her an "ideal life" so Sayaka is too happy to try to remember the old universe.
Fuck her then clap her and throw tomatoes at her while Linkin Park plays.
>The story after the ending of Gurren is that the whole universe is destroyed because they can't find a way, that's the true end
>mfw dream is far superior to real world
>taking shitty pandering games seriously
So, what the fuck happened in Rebellion? I couldn't understand any of it.
Don't talk shit about the happy dreams Homura fought so hard for,
That's just mean anon
Battle Pentagram literally is a dream of Homura's possibly right before Rebellion. In a moment of peace she dreams of a world where they all could have been happy and together, and then the dream ends.
Let her dream just a little longer, anon.
The dream is explained in Rebellion. There's no need for a poor game to illustrate it when the Rebellion does it better.
>YFW you realise the Battle Pentagram dream planted the seed of "let's create a dream world where no one suffered" in her head, therefore causing Rebellion.
and for those wondering, here's the good ending of the game where it all comes to pass.
That one story where Homura anal rapes Sayaka every morning on the way to school.
What if Madoka didn't stop her killing spree?
Would Mami kill everyobe and commit sudoku?
I'm interested in reading this.
That shadow though.
With no doubt
Screenshot it from the archive. There's also two HomuSaya stories preceding this and some other random ass Madoka fanfiction.
Keep smiling through ,
Just like you always do,
Till the blue skies chase those dark clouds, far away.
Homura's posture is impeccable.
Looking over it again, this was the earliest version without editing to fix the grammar mistakes. Probably should redo the screenshot with a latter version, but too lazy to do the minute long paint job again.
But Homura isn't in love with Madoka, she's obsessed with her to an absolutely ludicrous degree and brands it as love.
Would you luminous with a Saotome?
Anon stop talking nonsense. Does this look like the face of a lunatic to you?
Yes, I like her a lot.
Since you seem interested, here's the story that started it.
Also these vocaroos by a random anon reading the second story where Homura walks Sayaka.
They look like they're 9, anon.
Obsession is a kind of love.
So much weird SayaHomu in this thread
I do feel grateful for having lived through all the livewatches, specially the 2 month wait, and for being able to watch Rebellion in a movie theater. But for some reason, now I can't help but cry with any movie related stuff.
I blame all the faggots trying to make Homura look absolutely evil, that she hates Madoka, reversed what she did, destroyed heaven, etc
If you accept all that bullshit, then the pairing is dead and HomuSaya is more likely.
whoa m8 its just a hatesex thing not a pairing thing
There was a whole plethora of Madoka fanfiction centered around fetishistic sex written after Rebellion by some guy.
>>101481452 was the very first one.
There's some more including this extreme crack pairing story featuring Mami and Hitomi.
I don't think they attribute Homura to hating Madoka in anyway. Just that she feels that she's unworthy of her due to her various complexes and self-esteem issues. So she settles for Sayaka as a lifelike onahole to vent her various frustrations on.
Someone needs to pastebin all of em, this is the kind of treasure that humans will be remembered for.
As someone who was a HomuSaya-fag before Rebellion I maintain that interactions between Homura and Sayaka are always the most interesting. More than any other pairing these two are the polar opposite of each other. Whenever these two are forced to work for or against each other we going to have interesting interactions. Their actions in Rebellion just goes to vindicate that theory.
It's no coincidence that for a long time people wanted a SoL thing where Homura and Sayaka are the centre of a buddy cop setup.
I think you mean "validate that theory".
It would just lead to hate sex, and I'm not into that.
Another package of cheese had arrived. Mami was a bit distressed at how much was coming ever since Nagisa signed her up to those mailing lists. She would've simply stored the cheese away for when Nagisa came over, but recently Nagisa made a special request for her to fulfill whenever cheese arrived. To cum in the cheese. Mami reflected the bawdiness their relationship was descending to, but she could never find it in herself to say no to Nagisa. Her dick however was getting sore from all the cheese fucking.
Something Mami had discovered about the brands of cheese particularly notable for having holes is that they really weren't supposed to. Famous cheeses like Emmental and Jarlsberg were higher grade when they had less and smaller holes. Mami found that simply sticking her dick into the cheese wasn't quite an easy task. On top of that there were also the cheese that were simply just solid and lacking in any type of hole. Nagisa's response to this excuse was that Mami should simply penetrate harder.
Mami sighed as she remembered that looking upon the solid wheel of Gouda in front of her. She took out a knife from the kitchen and began the process by stabbing a hole in the round side of it. Not cutting any of it out, but simply wedging a knife into it and shaking it a bit to create a barely manageable hole. Then she took the knife off and her skirt off. Dragging her pantyhose down, Mami positioned her dick at the hole while holding the cheese against a particular section of her apartment wall she kept cleaner specifically for this. Mami drooled a long trail of saliva onto her erect penis as a final preparation.
Then she put it in. It was a rough fit even with her saliva lubricating it. She had to press herself against the Gouda wheel positioned between herself and the wall as she slowly shoved her dick into it. Finally it was all the way to the hilt, Mami's pelvic region touching the cheese as well. The Gouda wheel was a bit more of an oval at this point from being squeezed between Mami and the wall. Mami began to thrust. It was slow at first, but eventually Mami got faster and faster, smearing her cock inside the wheel. It was rough on her dick.
The textures of cheese varied wildly. Some were soft and creamy, others hard and solid. Gouda was one of the harder ones. Still, Mami was experienced at this point. Pounding the Gouda with all her strength as she struggled to reach climax. She found fantasizing helped, she imagined herself fucking various people. Ranging from Nagisa obviously, her underclassmen, characters from magical girl anime, and occasionally even some of Nagisa's classmates. Then she finished. Spurting into the Gouda, angling it downward hunched over it as she drained herself into the wheel.
"Smells delicious," said Nagisa who had apparently been watching unnoticed from right next to Mami. Mami jumped a bit in surprise, cheese wheel falling out of her hands and off her softening dick. Nagisa caught it quickly though, "Hey, be careful with the cheese!" she scolded. Mami was a bit dazed by the irony of the situation. She was also pondering if Nagisa was going to eat the Gouda then and there as she was staring at it intensely. Nagisa had told her it was best to wait for the semen to sit, dry, and be absorbed into the cheese before eating however. Nagisa then took a long whiff of the hole Mami had made and used. "I think I'll try adding my flavor to it for once," Nagisa said as she undid her clothes.
whatever m8, just sayin that no one is replacing this crack hate thing with the main story pairing
they just like how they would interact as you would say
This is incredibly silly
Nagisa stripped entirely bare for some reason, from head to toe, perhaps finding it most comfortable. Readying the wheel, her lubrication method was to simply lick the hole in the wheel. Mami watched as Nagisa started fucking the cheese wheel she was fucking just moments prior while entirely nude. "Mami, strip," Nagisa suddenly commanded her while thrusting into the cheese. Mami complied as quickly as she could. She felt a bit happy at how Nagisa was staring at her while pounding the Gouda. Despite being sore from having cum just moments before, Mami was getting an erection again from both watching and being watched.
In fact, Mami started masturbating, pointing her dick at the cheese wheel while stroking furiously and facing Nagisa. Nagisa was getting close to orgasm, increasing in tempo as she thrust back and forth. She stuck her head forward and started sucking on one of Mami's breasts as they were right in front of her face. Mami started playing with the ignored tit, one hand groping her ignored breast, her other hand on her dick. It was an overall complex sight. A young girl was fucking a cheese wheel while sucking on the tit of a woman who was pleasuring herself right in front of her. When Nagisa climaxed, she bit tightly on Mami's nipple as she let loose into the Gouda, in turn causing Mami to jolt and cum herself, over the cheese wheel and on Nagisa as well.
After wrapping and storing the cheese, they decided to take a shower and bath together. When they came out though, it seemed that another package of cheese had arrived. Nagisa smiled excitedly. Mami smiled a bit tiredly.
>interactions between Homura and Sayaka are always the most interesting.
But Homura and Sayaka didn't have one of the best scenes in the series together. Homura and Kyoko did though.
but that hatesex is so delicious. That raw conflict of emotion, that voice whispering "If I was her, I'll do the exact same thing. But I still want to kill that bitch!", that feeling of "we could have been friends..."
Agreed. Bromance is the way to go.
Don't get me wrong, all the interactions in the series were good, but with Homura and Kyouko it's like:
>Homu "Walpurgis Night is coming in two weeks. I need you to help me beat it, once done I'll leave the city to you"
They're too similar to go much beyond "I can understand how she feels".
They're different where it counts.
only in a few xx amount of universes OP.
remember that Madokami exists everywhere, in every single universe created, so it stands to reason that there are universes where Homura does not become witch and steals Madoka's power.
Homura's power is bound to 1 universe, while Madoka's is not
so not all is lost, there are still universes where Madoka and her angels exists.
If that's all you got out of that scene, it's not wonder you don't understand why it's one of the best in the series.
I'm simplifying of course. And I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but what did you get out of that scene?
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Homu a silly
Not him but I love their bro dynamic.
Homu a lewd bitch
It alludes to a few themes and is good characterization for both Kyoko and Homyra.
>Girls like you are fit to be magical girls. Miki Sayaka is not qualified. - Homura
This line places emphasis on prerequisites for becoming a successful magical girl. You need to be selfish and look out for yourself, like Kyoko. Sayaka however, who is trying to play the hero game is not qualified. And she'll suffer and turn into a witch because of it.
>I want to end this as peacefully as possible. - Homura.
This line tells us that Homura doesn't really want to hurt anyone. While it was obvious up till this point that Homura was in it for Madoka's protection, iirc, it was the first time she's alluded to caring about the other girls at all. Peace wouldn't be a priority otherwise. You could spin it and say that she's lying because later she tries to kill Sayaka however. Either way, it's good exposure for Homura's intentions.
>What's in it for you? - Kyoko
This doesn't really develop Kyoko, but Homura ignoring this question tells us that while she wants the help of girls to accomplish her goal, she's not willing to let them in. She's keeping it purely business. Which brings me to my favorite thing about this scene: the irony. Girls Homura and Kyoko's age shouldn't be talking business. They shouldn't be so pragmatic and cold to each other. They should be enjoying life and playing, which is what Kyoko is doing actually. She's on the dance machine playing DDR or something (while a eeire Connect remix players). It illustrates a key difference between Kyoko and Homura. Homura doesn't have any joy, despite being all about business, while Kyoko still maintains joy and can still smile.
It also introduces Walpurgisnatch. It's cool how it's so casually bought about rather than being made a point of interest. Kyoko reacting with concern (which she rarely does) makes Walpurgisnatch seem like a big deal without making it a point of interest. Good writing in my opinion.
Homura isn't lewd, you guys are just imagining things with your lewd minds.
Also it has some nice shots.
Fair enough, but for me I don't see that scene as particularly stand out.
Without going for the easy answers, Mami's meeting with Homura at night in the park stands out to me and I consider it at least as as good as the Homura/Kyouko scene. There we saw a rare glimpse into the forceful side of Mami - something that subtlety foreshadows her breakdown in episode 10.
There's just so much in that scene - even a lot that I didn't get into. But okay, to each their own.
>it didn't directly continue right where the series ended, it sucks
Why not both?