What are some glaring plot holes in Attack on Titan? I'm trying my hardest to figure out some. I know there are some smart dudes that browse this channel, so I figured I'd ask.
I haven't really noticed any but I don't think the plot is very strong since a lot of the developments are just so very predictable. Although I think I've heard that the story gets a lot more muddled up ahead of where the anime is at but other people can tell you more about those plot holes.
Why didn't they build bigger walls?
>I know there are some smart dudes that browse this channel
Try harder next time.
because they didn't know about the Colossal Titan and normal ones are much smaller
How come they can build high-speed high-precision gas-powered grappling hooks, but not invent like... you know... a rocket launcher?
I'm serious. Smart people browse this place. You guys are able to notice so many cliches, problems, and what is essentially wrong with someone that your watching.
As far as I know, there theoretically aren't many, if any, plot holes because the author hasn't explained anything at all yet.
That's why if you're looking for a list of instances of bad writing or unanswered questions you'd have a field day.
There are none. You can't have plot holes in a story that hasn't explained anything.
Nothing's a hole yet because the author can still explain. Except maybe, why don't they have guns
Ok then, what are some instances of bad writing?
They do have guns they used them to blind the titans below the elevator
They have guns, but they don't do much against a titan. If you mean fully automatic guns, it's the same reason they don't have cars, light bulbs, or astrophysics.
Fuel, materials, fucking rocket science isn't easy, not practical, low mobility.
Basically everything is wrong with rockets.
Eren you must use this key to go to the basement!
bitch never goes
because their tech level is really inconsistent to make things look cool?
And you think gas-powered ninja grappling hooks are easy to build and practical?
Nigger we've had rockets since the 16th century, we've never built anything close to resembling 3D maneuver gear even with modern technology.
how come they dont have a gun that shoots swords?
Why not have a sword that shoots guns that shoot smaller swords?
fuck, I dropped the manga. What's going on right now?
Eren has fantasies of him being a girl
They're impossible to build and impractical but that's the point, they're there because rule of cool.
How come they don't fire explosive cannon balls at their heads.
Instead of shooting simple cannon balls, why don't they attach a steel (or super-metal) wire between two or more balls in hopes the wire cut the Eoten's neck?
Whatever you don't like
They did that already, it's not easy to hit the exact spot on the neck, and if you don't their head just grows back.
Wouldn't the explosion, provided it his big enough, take out the neck as well ?
And those rocket were accurate enough to hit small fast moving targets from long range? Even if they were we didn't have the technology limits and resource limits they they have.
The only reason it hasn't been done in real life is because its impractical, and generally impossible.
Think of it this way:
Assuming one out of ten rockets actually hit correctly and kills a titan, thats
10 rockets+training-maneuverability=One dead titan
One reusable 3DMG+10 Blades+training+maneuverability=5 dead titans assuming 2 blades are used per neck.
Rockets are just not practical considering their situation.
Almost every plot twist.
If you even hit, if it even explodes, if it's even in the right spot, if you're extremely lucky.
How does no one break their fucking legs using 3D gear? I dunno about you, but going 30-40 mph and simply landing on a roof without any kind of injury seems impossible.
>Flat characters across the board
>No coherent plotline whatsoever (What the hell happened to the basement? Instead we got an arc about moving a rock.)
I'm not going to actually take the time to type an entire list out, but my least favorite moment was when the Titan turned out to be Eren. That completely defeated both Eren's "death" as well as the entire premise of humanity vs. titans.
Dafuq is titaans!
I'm not arguing that bazookas are more effective than 3D gear, I'm saying that it's nonsensical that they invented 3D gear but still use cannon and musket weapons.
There's a whole host of other inventions that would have had to come first long before they would have been able to build 3D gear, such as rifling and basic rocketry.
My friend keeps telling me that Eren and Mikasa are not great characters, but that what makes them great characters. I really don't know if he's telling me the truth or not.
>What the hell happened to the basement?
Getting to the basement would require multiple days of travel across miles of titan infested terrain.
Scout legion can barely handle being out for a few hours.
the holy trinity of stock protagonists?
If they have small cannons on the wall, why don't they have field artillery?
theyre never going to get to that fucking basement.
They're not. Attack on Titan is literally going to be the next Naruto in terms of fucktards thinking its great and cosplaying in public.
The biggest issue I have is the retarded military organization. Forcing ALL of your garrison troops to use 3d maneuver gear seriously slices down on the number of soldiers you can man the walls with. There's an enormous number of cannons up there and none of your artillery crews can shoot for shit. They're literally missing houses from 500 yards with rifled breech-loading cannons when a napoleonic 12 pounder with an average crew of frogs could hit that spot on every time. They need to cut that shit out. Make the artillery independent of the ninjas so you can constantly keep the walls manned with people who don't need to learn how to grapple across buildings they JUST learn how to shoot their fucking cannons. This alone would solve like, 50% of their problems. Seriously this is basic military organization it isn't fucking difficult to come up with.
because that doesn't slice
I'm not saying you're wrong, but the real reason they didn't do that is because the author doesn't want to and would rather focus on whatever nonsense instead. He could easily move it closer if he wanted to.
Why don't they make the musket's bullets out of titans?
>The biggest issue I have is the retarded military organization
This isn't some long-standing nation with generations of war at its back. Not only is their military less than 100 years old, but they didn't any serious conflict with the titans since its inception.
It would make far less sense if they were some kind well oiled tactical military machine.
1) How did humanity in general manage to build large walls in the first place? I'd imagine if the titans were out and about eating people, they'd notice a lot of people working on a giant wall and start eating them as well.
2) Why swords? I know it's all for action scenes but there's seriously better weapon choices than giant box cutter blades. Like harpoon launchers or a giant crossbow for instance. Anything is better than getting yourself in range of things that want to eat you.
1. Mixed up technology in terms of having 3DMG but terrible guns, but that's an ongoing discussion.
2. Why the hell didn't they find a cave system and live underground? Stay underground during the day and go up at night to take care of crops and animals. So many problems solved right there.
3. Why did they never think to booby trap the wall in some way? I mean, they built three massive walls, you think they could dig a few pits and put some spikes on the bottom. It wouldn't kill the titans obviously, but it would contain them for easy kills.
You know who else has a military less than a hundred years old?
South Korea. They figured out the whole war thing pretty quickly
I will finally be able to wear my head band in public without shame.
You should lurk more before posting OP, don't reply to obvious joke.
Next time, try start a thread with something like "/a/ is hipster shit" with "hating on popular franchise", etc, bonus if you said the plot is good, consistent, no plot hole or the like. /a/ will imediately stomp in and shit on it, after that is endless argument. Or maybe not, people will just call it b8 then thread abandoned, depend on the time and whether you're lucky or not.
>I mean, they built three massive walls
IIRC the walls were there as long as they could remember. Nobody knows "who" built the walls or when they were built.
This is my biggest issue with AoT. Everyone in the military are fucking stupid.
Why don't they set the Titans on fire?
why don't they build a giant moat in the remaining walled areas and fill it with spikes?
This is literally the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on /a/.
A world, full of war examples, and a country figures out war.
Compared to a fucking nation that, for 100 years, hasnt faced war, and a nation that before that warred against other HUMANS, and only humans.
>spend 10 minutes explaining the idea of spreading out
>wow Erwin is a tactical genius for inventing this formation
>no one knows what the fuck is going on the whole time
They do. They used many of them to trap Annie.
>Why don't they set the Titans on fire?
They're already pretty hot, don't think fire would do anything.
>why don't they build a giant moat in the remaining walled areas and fill it with spikes?
That would mean going outside the walls where the titans are and risk being attacked and it would probably take a fair while to build a moat big enough.
>browse this channel
You missed the point. We're talking about a country that went from no modern military (pre-Korean War) to a fairly modern force within a few years.
The fact that they can figure out the infinitely more complicated matters of modern artillery employment implies that putting some effort into their artillery corps would be more useful than spiderman knife fighting
The tallest known titans were 15 meters.
Also they didn't even build the walls
Square cube should stop the Titans. Remember how shallow a ditch is needed to stop an elephant in a zoo.
If we're bringing up the square-cube law then we might as well just accept that the entire premise of the series is completely nonsensical.
y the fuck does Eren's titan have skin but the other three don't really. I'd only guess 'cause they got their powers differently...
Yea, it's not a plot-hole, deal wid it.
>mikasa wants eren's dick
>erens too busy with "muh feelings"
stopped reading there
a ditch outlining the circumference on the inside of the wall?
The biggest problem is that somehow the underground city failed.
Theres no explanation for this or rationale. Its just, it failed.
Why didn't they head directly from Utopia District (which is on the exact opposite side of Trost) when Wall Maria initially fell, then moved along the top of Wall Maria, where it would be safe, to get to Shiganshina district and attempt to seal the breach that way? The engineering corps could have definitely come up with the metal net they used in Trost and used that as a temporary plug.
1) It's almost explained in the Manga
2) I believe there's a section in the back of the neck that actually has to be cut out entirely. Those other weapons will only poke into it and then they'll just regenerate.
Eren's a "raging titan" who basically loses control in Titan form.
Also, Ymir has skin.
Read the FUCKING MANGA.
UTGARD IS LIKE A FEW CHAPTERS AFTER THE ANIME ENDS.
You'll do yourself a HUGE SERVICE.
Oh, ymir does...that's right.
Well, that's just a given but pretending to give some attention would have been nice.
>how come titans dont poop?
Because they don't need to eat. They do vomit however.
yfw they basement this chapter
Eren isn't even straight tho
they dont but they do
The way you type is retarded.
I want to fuck you.
They don't have a proper digestive system. Tier stomach is pretty much just one big bag.
They do it for the heck of it.
They just eat until their stomachs are full and then they barf it right out, so they can eat more.
I just had a revelation about that. They eat humans, and specifically only humans, because they are attempting, by instinct, to consume a Titan shifter and return to being a normal.
See Ymir was trapped in Titan form for 60 years until she ate one of Reiner and Bertolt's friends and was able to return to being a human.
The ridiculous amount of time characters spend repeating themselves and saying nothing?
Also, bert and ernie just saying "we're the titans".
Even the anime explained it. They don't need sustenance, and can survive without eating. Therefore, they don't need a fully functioning digestive system. They only go after humans after all. Alsothey Vomit when they get too full.
I almost flipped my shit at that part.
So, Eren...we're the Titans that are responsible for the gate breaches....wanna join us?
I mean...holy fuck.
Have they explained yet in the manga why the Titans want to kill humanity so badly? Or what they even are?
I'm pretty sure SnK will head in a similar direction to Claymore.
There aren't any, just forced mysteries and miscellaneous shittiness.
working near the wall is prohibited by the church, durrrrr
1) This one hasn't been fully answered, but the idea is that it doesn't make sense to the characters either. It's been pointed out that the wall titans could have potentially hardened their skin together, but it hasn't been explained why. Regardless it's pretty clear that it wasn't built brick by brick by humans.
2) It's been known since the beginning that the back of the neck has to be removed to kill a titan, and later shown that it's because of the human host in the neck. Anything other than a lethal blow will slow them down at best. I think even blasting their entire head off has been shown to not be effective, although I don't think it's ever been said why, so close up work is basically the only option.
1) The reasoning is that humans developed to deal with the titan threat rather than to fight other humans, and guns are completely useless. However 3DMG is a weird jump and it doesn't really make sense for them to have developed things like compressed gas canisters for any other reason. This is probably one of the biggest actual plot holes unless it ends up being explained how humanity came up with the idea and technology.
2) It's never really explained how people lived before the walls or outside of the walls, but in the walls they weren't worried about the threat of titans. Building cave cities to live in would be a major inconvenience for no reason. The Colossal and Armored Titan were unprecedented and it wouldn't make sense to change everyone's lives so dramatically without proof of a risk otherwise. The only reason they wanted to find out how to get rid of titans at that point was so they could potentially live outside of the walls, but based on the low number and size of expeditions at that point it didn't seem like a major concern.
3) Same as 2 essentially. It would be an unreasonable burden and waste of land and manpower to fortify what was already a perfect defense. The humans reasonably thought they were perfectly safe.
In what way?
Titans are just training humans to fight the real enemy
If illiterate korean peasants can do it, so can they.
They are using humans as ingredients to create an army of Titan grunts to fight other Monkey Trouble like Titans who have their own clans and walled cities. The attack by BRA was to lower the amount of humans that walled city could convert into Titans.
Not necessarily that specific.
But I definitively believe that, all thing considered, included the wall, everything is happening because some higher power wanted it that way (one alien to both Humans and Titans), and there's some outcome to be had off it.
Mystery all over the place
>when the Titan turned out to be Eren
This bugged me a little as well. As soon as I saw Eren's titan form I thought, "That's fucking Eren."
I hoped it wasn't but when it was revealed I just kinda sighed and let it go. It doesn't ruin anything for me but I would have really preferred a strictly humans vs titans story.
It does give the viewer something to think about when we see the female titan and Armin figures out there is a human inside. Who is this person controlling the titan and what is their aim? Now titans can't just be mindlessly slain for there's a chance someone is inside it and we want to know what they are up to.
They actually have a plan to get to the wall in one night. Which was when they would get Eren to seal the hole, but since Eren can't get hard, they abandoned that plan. However, the point still stands that they could make it there in 1 night. After that, they could use their 3DMG's to get to the top of the wall and just relax till night fall and then make their way into the basement.
So where does all the new mass of the titans come from?
>He's a titan
>She's a titan
>They're both titans
>The monkeys are titans
>The walls are titans
Is there anything in SnK that isn't a titan?
Magic. The Titans actually have very little and are extremely light. To the point where a human can kick a severed Titan head like a soccer ball.
Remaining core cast except Eren, Ymir, Bert and Reiner
Hahaha... Just you wait
He's a dwarf.
Jean because fuck him
they are nowhere near that light. if that were the case there's no way the armored or colossal titan could have even touched the wall
im not gonna lie, i chuckled a little at that
Because the guy who made 3DMG was way way way ahead of his time. And he's dead/lost/hibernating at this point.
Remember that they're barely past medievil other than 3DMG
Armin is cross dressing as Historia (Christa)
you may think I'm joking. You'd be mistaken.
special training on how to land/take off. Involves shifting your weight around or whatever. Also people do fuck up using it quite regularly.
>but since Eren can't get hard,
Are you actually completely retarded? So you're saying a country that gets trade, attacks, tech and societal/cultural structure from the countries around it can be compared to a regressively feudal middle-aged piece of shit?
You should try to shitpost less.
>I think even blasting their entire head off has been shown to not be effective, although I don't think it's ever been said why
Because you have to cut them right below the lower neck joint and that part doesn't come off if you blow up their heads.
If someone gets swallowed whole like Armin almost was, couldn't they stay alive in the stomach until the titan puked them back up?
Or do they still have digestive juices for whatever reason?
They'll get crushed when they are puked anyway. Go read the extra chapters of the manga.
I barely want to watch the anime, why would I read the manger?
To be fair, by that time Reiner seems to completely have lost it.
>Hurr durr Imma warrior doing warrior things
the MC was eaten whole so yes, they can stay inside. But they will die due the digestive juices
Loads of people located in the ideal settlement (hideout against Titans) + no authoritative entities of any kind = ?
Calling it now, the blades of the 3DMG are made out of Titans because only Titan can cut Titans.
The metal's called titanium.
I wanna fugg the 3DMG creator.
Man, sometimes /a/ embarasses me. Plotholes aren't necessarily things they didn't do. Plotholes are mostly things that contradicts earlier established plot element/rule of the story world. All these "Why didn't they" bullshit aren't plotholes. Probably.
On a related note. This thread reeks of newfag.
I'm pretty sure it will be explained why Mikasa is so strong.
And I bet it has something to do with titan powers.
Does anyone have that image where the poster outlines SnK with a pic of SAO?
>botton left panel
that loli must be fucking badass
Why even mention that shit?
Don't mind me.
I thought the titans don't have digestive juices. In fact I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in the manga
Lots of faith, lots of idiots.
Now that I think about it, was there ever a single protagonist that wouldn't fit this description?
There is nothing wrong with using some tropes, as there is nothing more left to invent.
One thing I really don't understand, why not live mostly underground instead of having a huge stretched out line of defense on the surface, that takes away like 50% of your living area when 1 wall is breached.
It was already explained in that Levi spinoff aimed at fujoshits.
WHY NO AIRPLANES
WHY NO LIGHT PLANES
If they can compress gas enough for 3dmg, they could certainly make a light plane out of available materials (fine cloth, light wood) and use it for scouting their immediate location at the very least. Add in a few supply towers further out, and they could have aerial scouting of most of their area. It wouldn't even affect the plot very much, since the planes would be so limited; they would just help out the scouts on the ground until their fuel ran out, and give everybody a much more detailed knowledge of local titan movements.
Everything would be the same, it would just be less stupid! It's a huge hole that nobody's pursued flight; even big kites tethered to the walltop would give people a way better line of sight on their local area.
Though I suppose a couple of terrible disasters with that sort of thing early on, and everybody's general hopelessness, could have prevented air travel from ever gaining ground or research funding. But still.
Provided the majority of the garrison cant hit the broad side of a barn, I find more pressing problem is their top 10 system. Like really, the most able bodied men are held in MP/reserve till forever delegating menial tasks to other star MP rookies. Talk about poor use of resources.
That's part of what I'm saying. Train your garrison troops to not suck with the cannons. You spent all that time making better cannons and mounting them on the wall and you still use retards who literally could not hit the broad side of a barn.
It only takes getting your shit slapped once to shape the fuck up.
They already bring up the square cube law in the story and explain it.
Even something as simple as a hot air balloon.
You'd think living confined in walls with monsters outside your whole life would inspire someone to devise a way to get out.
old school 3d gear
I seriously think more people would die from using the 3D Maneuver Gear than actually being eaten by Titans.
This is where it jumped shark.
Now its going to be revealed that there is another colony vying for coexistence with the titans and have been at war with the church for years ect generic shonen big plot of shit.
Honestly, even with the justification 'you gotta hurt the titans in the neck' the swords and close quarters combat makes little sense.
You'd think they'd invent some really fucked up ballistas/cannon shells with lots of sharp bits and armor piercing materials so you can shoot the titan in the neck from the front and the blades will slice out the vital point on the exit wound.
But then I guess no flying around and shit. Who knows.
that's literally 4 generations
They don't have a full digestive tract.