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So I saw Rebellion yesterday (Austfaila what can I say).

/a/, what the hell are you on about saying Sayaka did a 180 degree turn or is a hypocrite? She clearly does not approve of Homura's escapism, otherwise why would she volunteer to be part of the rescue team? All that "I can understand why witches would want to build a perfect world for themselves" is because:

1. She was a witch, been there done that. Once upon a time she had her own labyrinth with Kyousuke and Hitomi minions to torture remember
2. She was just demonstrating that she still remembers the old world
3. She was goading Homura to wake up from her dream world
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I watched it yesterday too (mexfag here) and I used to avoid all the Rebellion threads, so whoa, the movie was a real surprise.
Poor Homura. She ended so fucked up due to all her yuri love for Madoka. I still can't believe it, this sure is a... dangerous twist. People were saying they didn't want it as an end.
Obviously, the end is as open as hell, they can easily remake all the shit once again.
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>>101426642
I hear originally Gen wrote it so Homura went to Yuri Heaven with Godoka at the end of the movie. But Shinbo told him to leave the ending open so there's possibility of more works in the future so he added that twist.
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I would imagine part of the reason why Sayaka came back was so she could meet Kyouko again.
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>>101427190
And stay like that a little while it seems, she stated that even she knew that world was fake, she enjoyed it, all she did was to spend time with Kyoko.
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>>101427054
>Gen wrote it so Homura went to Yuri Heaven with Godoka at the end of the movie
Nope.
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>>101427329
All the more reason why she said she could relate to a witch wanting to build a perfect dream world.

I've been saying this even since the series - Homura and Sayaka are more alike than they realise, they're both the "deep love" type for one.
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>>101425772
You like it?
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>>101427054
That's what some people get out of one specific interview. However, there are several others with Urobuchi where he says things like, "I was lost as to what I should do with the story and Shinbo gave me some pointers," or "Shinbo lead the brainstorming meetings and we took it from there," random stuff like that.

Interviews only offer up a fragment of the full story. Don't rely on them as something that should affect your interpretation of the film.
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>>101427932
I did, but not in the same way that I like the series or even movie 1+2. Somehow it doesn't feel as emotionally powerful as the series, even though Rebellion's plot itself was excellent.

The suffering in Rebellion didn't quite reach the peak reached in Sayaka's arc or episode 10 IMHO.
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>>101428150
I agree. The first two movies had me choking up at times despite me having already seen the series and knowing the major events and suffering in the plot, but I didn't get emotional at all in Rebellion.
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>>101428150
Maybe if you aren't a Homufag, but for us about half the movie is abject despair.
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>>101428282
This, I feel that this is the only major failure of Rebellion. The opportunity was there for some really emotional scenes with the dream world theme but they didn't manage to quite capture it. As soon as Homura realised that something was wrong with the world she was determined to bring it down. Other than maybe the lily field scene there wasn't any instances of Homura battling within herself on weather or not it's better to live in her prefect dream.

The twist at the end also robbed any chance of emotional catharsis compared to episode 12.
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>>101428351
Homufags are split on the ending.
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>>101428351
I admit I'm a Sayakafag, but I try to be fair. I still think episode 10 was by far the best episode.

As a Homufag, did you tear up in Rebellion?
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>>101428351
That fucking OP man...2sad4me.
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>>101428687
The scene where Madoka went in to get Homura during the Homulilly battle got me.
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>>101428805
I want to say something about that scene. In the original trailer at the end of movie 2 they also showed this image of Madoka coming through a window in the sky for Homura. But in the movie they had that huge arm that reached through the window. Compared to the trailer I felt that the huge arm was a lot weaker and bit comical. I've always imagined that although Godoka dress up as magical girl Madoka when saving other magical girls, for the other four meguca she would show up in her original school uniform as sort of a personalised "Did you forget me too? Homura?" sort of thing, rather than showing up all god like.
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>>101429191
This is how I've imagined a reunion looks like
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>>101429381
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>>101429508
So yeah, instead Godoka showed up all god-like and I felt that there's now a impenetrable barrier between Homura and Madoka. No wonder Homu flipped out and did what she did.
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>>101425772
>goaded
Sayaka was just helping to guide, as far as they knew, Homura's witch. She was just ferrying her to Madoka, like she'd want.
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>>101429191
Yeah, I recommend you read the manga--it offers a second perspective on the movie and you might find some scenes more moving the way Hanokage does them. This scene really got me.
>>101428687
I'm one of those people who repressed their crying as a kid and so I can feel the welling up but it never goes any further. That said, I had that feeling for a lot of Rebellion. Just Colorful alone was like getting smacked across the face with a bag of bricks.
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>>101428777
I still can't believe someone went to the trouble of doing all of those backgrounds just for the sake of a joke. Elevens are fucking hardcore about their memes.
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>>101429969
If it makes you feel worse about it it's all made through MMD
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>>101429853
I only wish that hanokage's adaption of rebellion was animated by Inu Curry. I know there's no point in that at all but some scenes are just done well like Homura's transformation to Homulilly
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>>101429853
I read the translated first volume, and it was quite the pale imitation of the movie. Does it really get better in the subsequent volumes?
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Guys we finally got our goofy SoL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lXICcYxg4A
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>>101427054
No, he was stumped because that was the obvious thing to do and he knew that it wouldn't be enough to justify a movie, which is why they had brainstorming sessions.

"Why not get Madoka and Homura into a fight?"
"We made a god in the series, so let's make a devil with the movie"
"Lucifer loved God so passionately that it caused his own fall from grace."
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>>101430429
Beach episode where
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>>101425772
It's interesting that Sayaka can empathize with Homura's feelings in the first part, but then at the end Homura is so far gone that no one really understands where she's coming from anymore.
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>>101430429
http://youtu.be/1lXICcYxg4A?t=3m8s

>Mami: "Who could that be at the door?"
>It's Kyoko
>Mami sits back down
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>>101430429
So like...it just shows random scenes while you play the slots? I don't understand the concept of this type of game.
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>>101430808
No one loves Kyouko.
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Reminder that Mami is bad at everything
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>>101430960
Damn, look at those melons.
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>>101430721
I can't wait to see MIKI SAYAKA, HERO OF THE UNIVERSE slap some sense into Homu in S2.

Shit would be the greatest turn around of all time
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>>101430429
http://youtu.be/1lXICcYxg4A?t=9m7s
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My take on it.

Because of her original wish and the near-witchness situation Homura was in, she was able to channel her love for her friend to "extract" her from the law of cycles and set her free.
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>>101430721
Sayaka won't know where Homura is coming from until it's too late.
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>>101431221
She's fixing her bow, not groping herself, you perv.
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>>101430808
I can't stop laughing.
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>>101430429
>Kyubey wack-a-mole
this is fucking great
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>>101430429
I don't understand the gameplay at all.
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>>101431554
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>>101431640
I don't get it.
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>>101430429
http://youtu.be/1lXICcYxg4A?t=15m10s
>Kyubey: It's an emergency!
>Watermelon smashing with Mami-san!
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I like HomuSaya before Rebellion made it cool.
These days I don't know where to turn to to be hipster any more
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>>101426642
Being a utilitarian, I always thought she had to have some weird sense of morality to be able to kill the entire earth over and over for one girl.

Although, the shitgrin still annoyed me.

BTW, if you ever get sick of Mexico and it's drug wars you are free to move to Australia.

But if you're Homusexual, you'll have to wait for a while before we can let you marry your Maho Shoujo partner.

>>101425772
The twist ending, I'll get to that later but first.

I think the problem with the movie is that it lacked explanation. In the dream world (even if it were fake), we didn't get an explanation for the Nightmares.

If you watched the series, you would have either suspected something was up or just plain confused.

If you didn't watch the series, you would just be confused.

One of the things I liked about the MM series was how it explained the universe before building on it and giving it a twist.

And then we got to the Homura twist ending. It was intentionally ambiguous. We know that Homura is now a demon and theoretically Satan. It makes some sense. The first thing we probably thought of was 'if there's a God, is there a Devil?'

With the ending we've got a new system for some reason and we were never shown what has changed about Magical Girls other then Homura is now in charge. At least with the strange Goddess Madoka ending, we were shown the implications for the Incubators and Maho Shoujos.

As for Homura's story, I have a hard time accepting what she did. If she wanted to be with Madoka again then as I understand it Madoka was already going to take her to Yuri Heaven. Or maybe there were already signs she was a Yandere but the idea itself was badly-written?

And that shit-eating grin upon turning 'evil' just plain bugs me as being out of character.
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>>101430325
I've lost a lot of my bias in the past several years, but at my core I'm still a big fag for manga. The artistic beauty is just so much higher than anime can come close to with the production values the industry is used to.
Which is actually why I love SHAFT. Instead of smooth but shitty animation, they sacrifice smoothness and put the utmost care into the frames they do have. /a/ lovingly calls it 'slideshow', but to me its simply reminiscent of manga.
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>>101431862
SayaMami
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>>101431881
Being with Madoka wasn't her motivation. That would make her happy, but she didn't wish to be happy. She wished to protect Madoka and make Madoka happy.
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>>101431881
>we didn't get an explanation for the Nightmares
Was one needed?

>If you didn't watch the series, you would just be confused.
If you watched Rebellion without watching the series, I'd call you an idiot. It's clearly a sequel.

>With the ending we've got a new system for some reason
What "new system"?

>I have a hard time accepting what she did.
She realised that she failed when she let Madoka become Madokami.

>And that shit-eating grin upon turning 'evil' just plain bugs me as being out of character.
She won. I think she can revel in that a little.
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>>101431862
It doesn't seem intensely more popular than before, it was just made more fun.
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>>101432161
The idea certainly comes up a lot more often. And there used to be a couple guys who would always post disgusted_non-anime_reaction_image.jpg whenever someone posted it, but they seem to have given up after Rebellion.
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>>101431881
She doesn't want to be with Madoka because that goes against her views of Madoka's happiness. She wants Madoka to live a normal life while still having everything she wished for intact. From her perspective, the only thing she ever accomplished in life was wiping the love of her life out of existance, and she jumped at the chance to "fix" that. Her main goal is ensuring that Madoka and by extension her friends can live happily together while she's left all alone, mostly because she thinks of herself as rotten and unworthy of anyone loving her. The "evil" bit is an act to make her look bad in the eyes of others, just like her coldness was before. it breaks once nobody is around or Madoka appears to be on the verge of breaking free.
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>She won
No she didn't, we know and she knows that her "victory" is hollow. Sooner or later her little dream world will be turned upside down and she will probably lose Madoka for good.
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>>101431888
>The artistic beauty is just so much higher than anime can come close to with the production values the industry is used to.
I assume you mean this in a general sense, and are not referring to Rebellion specifically?
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>>101431862
I've always been KyouHomu. It feels like they're able to really speak their minds around each other. When they're together in Rebellion, we get to see them both in a sort of calm state between the two extremes of their personalities. It's probably the most natural and casual relationships I've seen in the series.
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>>101432612
It works great as Bowmura pairing after Sayaka dies
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>>101432612
HomuSaya fag here, to be honest Kyouko and Sayaka are too hung up on each other now to seriously consider any other pairing. But in S2 I'm expecting a "Look, I understand what you're are feeling, but I'm still going to tear down your dream world because it's wrong. Try and stop me." from Sayaka to Homu.
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>>101432272
Cool continuation of Rebellion fanfic you have there.
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>>101433113
Well it makes sense.

Whole point of her Soul Gem World Dream arc is that sooner or later someone will realise that the ideal world is fake.

And I guess that's the same case with Madoka.

Which leads to a question of what happens from there with a God and a Demon?

Do the Borg side with Goddess Madoka to fight the Demon-worshipping Chaos forces?
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>>101433258
>the ideal world is fake.
>fake
Literally stopped reading there
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>>101432811
I mean it as a BroTP, of course.
Madoka and Sayaka are the ones who are always running forward in the series, and Homura and Kyouko are the ones chasing them. They're comrades in that sense. They're also the two realists who are able to accept their fate and play the hand they're dealt.
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>>101432987
Is this where HomuSaya leads?
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>>101433309
The movie is intentionally left ambiguous enough to leave the door open to all sorts of interpretations and speculation. Instead of fighting over things you can't prove, you should just let your imagination wild with "what if" scenarios, anon.

I for one hope we get more dark Bowmura doujin works now.
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>>101433572
One day they will both follow Madoka to yuri valhalla and be friends. Count on it.
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>>101432612
My nigger. I hope the KyouHomu anthology gets translated as if.
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>>101433723
She rewrote shit the same way Madoka did. It's not fake. This isn't my opinion. Kyubey said it.
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>>101433772
Yeah, one day everyone will be friends in a happy ending yuri heaven. Sure.

For now, fun times.
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>>101433723
Hopefully we will get to see more of Homura's 'Don't you dare touch Madoka, you worthless shit 'face in the future.
It was great to see Homura all giddy and drunk on power, but it doesn't feel comfortable because we can all see the fault lines in her new world. "Mada dame yo" and all that.
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So guys, the last scene with Homu dancing under the half moon.
What's your interpretation?

I personally don't think Homura is happy at all with how things turned out. She can act smug as much as she want but having a world full of puppets dancing to your every whim gets old for any god. It's like Kyouko's father and those bewitched followers he had.
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>>101434066
Angry Homu is pretty great.
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>>101433882
It's a mixture of both. She redid the universe to include the three previously dead girls in history, but at the same time she's still using her labyrinth to sustain an artificial peace.
>>101434066
Yes, this. Homura always holds back from going full pragmatic to protect Madoka's feelings. I want to see how far she'll go if that limiter is removed.
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>>101434256
>I want to see how far she'll go if that limiter is removed.
We know that humanity, the world, the universe, her own hapiness and dying are not obstacles for the sake of Madoka
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>>101434195
Well there's the whole fact that she's still distant from Madoka. She's gone so far that she sees herself as unworthy of Madoka's love now. I don't think she can deny her own desires for personal happiness forever.
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>>101434195
They took some stuff out from the final product because they felt the ending didn't need it and was more nebulous and "huh, what the fuck?" with out it.
We're not sure just how much Homu lines were cut, and apparently they might be an extra in the BDs, but Chiwa said for the ending she did a recording of Homu humming "Mada dame yo" that she thought would be in the final cut.

Which meshes with the theory that the ending is using imagery from The Fool arcana--this isn't an ending at all, it's a new beginning. >"Not just yet. The night is still half-eaten. What color will the morning come in?"
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>>101434256
>she's still using her labyrinth to sustain an artificial peace.
[Citation needed]
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>>101434405
Yes, but she's never killed anyone and she created a happy world because that's what Madoka wants. But what if she faces a real obstacle? I want to see her in "all bets are off" mode some more.
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>>101434717
>she's never killed anyone
Aside from Madoka.
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>>101434596
>Homu humming "Mada dame yo"

We did get a classy accordion solo version at least.
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>>101434717
>she's never killed anyone
What? She killed Madoka in timeline three and there's no indication she hasn't killed any of the other girls before. She was gonna laser Sayaka's face off just because she was making Madoka sad. The only reason she stopped because doing so would involve getting on Kyouko's bad side.
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>>101434713
I think he means that Homura's new world order is a labyrinth and she's using it to suppress Madoka's dormant will.
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>>101434816
I fucking love accordion
This OSt was absolutely awesome.
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>>101434931
There was a live broadcast version of Kimi no Gin no Niwa with a live accordion, but I can't find it anywhere after it was taken off of youtube.
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>>101434914
I know what he means, but that's fucking retarded and there's no indication that that is the case. She's not a witch anymore, anyway, and we saw her barrier get destroyed.
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Epilogue best scene
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>>101429191
There's a lot of symbolism in the final scenes

Like Madoka's name meaning window or something, the window closing when she became a witch, the Red Spider Lily representing a meeting that can never happen again between two lovers, and the Salamander representing transformation and rebirth.
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>>101435059
Suppose she's not a witch but a god. One that can manipulate the fabric of reality however she want to build that perfect world of hers.

Is that all that different from a witch building a perfect world for herself inside her labyrinth?

Is there even a meaningful difference between the two? Aside from a matter of degrees?
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>>101435059
Well there's familiars all over he place, that could be an indication that the world is a labyrinth. I
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>>101434713
How did you see the imagery of the familiars running everywhere, the green sky that lurks under the surface of the world?
>>101435059
You're right anon, Homura made a new universe where the Earth only has half of the original Moon orbiting it. That makes so much more physical sense than considering that Homura is able to alter reality because everyone exists within her own personal reality.
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>>101434713
What do you think this is exactly?
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Discuss.
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>>101435415
Except Homura's just fucking insane
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>>101435059
>She's not a witch anymore, anyway, and we saw her barrier get destroyed.
We saw the isolation field get destroyed. Try to keep up anon.
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The MC of Shaft's next anime has their birthday on April 30th.

April 30th is Walpurgis Night.
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>>101435415
>Both outsmart a clearly more advanced being
>Both create their own ideal world.
>Both raging homosex
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>>101435125
Ultimate Madoka's symbol is a pallet-swap of Gretchen's witch kiss, except the grief seed part is replaced with a crown, and it has the runes "das Ewig-Weibliche" or "the eternal feminine", which is a reference to Faust's Gretchen.
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>>101435280
It's certainly not very different for Homura, since she went full witch before she got more powerful, and the familiars and stuff are still there afterwards. I definitely don't think you could call it a normal labyrinth, though. It's definitely not the kind of personal hell that your normal labyrinth is. AkuHomu still has agency/sanity, but her subconscious is embodied and throwing tomatoes at her and shit.
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>>101435379
Universal law rewriting, just like Madokami. You gonna claim she's a witch now too?
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>>101435525
Walpurgis Night anime confirmed.
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>>101435557
>pallet
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>>101435643
Except Madoka didn't have something that looks an awful lot like a barrier consuming the universe when she did her thing.
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>>101435415
This is what I think.
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>>101435536
>Both merely created temporary solutions because the bubble they created will pop with time, because nothing like that lasts forever
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>but that's fucking retarded
Where is the cause for this? Are you thirteen? Can you not hold a discussion without calling the other party a faggot and flipping them off?
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>>101435656
Wait woah.

It's strongly hinted that Sayaka is going to stir up trouble in Homura's new world.

What if the old theory was true after all? Walpurgis Night is Sayaka, Oktavia just changes her form after absorbing all those other magical girls?

After all, we now know that Sayaka is really good at spinning.
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>>101435882
So? Homura doesn't need a permanent solution, only Madoka's mortal happiness.
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>>101435368
>You're right anon, Homura made a new universe where the Earth only has half of the original Moon orbiting it. That makes so much more physical sense than considering that Homura is able to alter reality because everyone exists within her own personal reality.
I don't understand why you're being sarcastic here, the latter isn't more plausible.

>>101435368
>How did you see the imagery of the familiars running everywhere, the green sky that lurks under the surface of the world?
Her projecting onto reality.

>>101435712
>looks an awful lot like a barrier
No barrier even remotely resembles that.
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>>101435379
It kind of seems like Homura turned into a witch right as she grabbed Madoka. And her grief used Madoka's power as a catalyst to cover the world in her labyrinth.
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>>101435656
Really, it just means that somebody might have created a work inspired partially by Madoka, then ended up getting an anime adaption of that work by the very creators of Madoka.

Like some kind of weird cycle.
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>>101436084
>It kind of seems like Homura turned into a witch right as she grabbed Madoka.
Nope, fuck off.
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>>101436008
>No barrier even remotely resembles that.
The one inside the isolation field does.
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>>101436008
>Her projecting onto reality.
Wow, that explains...nothing. Look, familiars are witches' minions. That is the nature of their existence. If there's a bunch of familiars running around, you should be on the lookout for some witches.
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>>101436177
She's not a witch. It was stated not once, but twice.
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>>101436084
Not her grief, anon, her AI YO
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>>101436223
I am aware. I'm not saying she is a witch. But she clearly has some witch-like powers.
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>>101436285
>look guys, I'm moving goalpoats
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>>101436285
It was also stated that she was rewriting reality very explicitly.
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>>101436337
What "goalposts"? The original contention was that she was using a labyrinth, not that she was a witch.
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>>101436337
He was just unnecessarily vague. Just because she's not a witch doesn't mean she can't form a barrier of some sort.
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>>101436383
And then he said "minions ergo there's a witch".
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>>101436350
But how? She can't make a wish to re-write reality, like Madoka did, she already made her contract.
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>>101436455
She used Madoka's power to rewrite reality like Madoka did.
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>>101436452
I apologize for the unfortunate turn of phrase. I assumed my argument was clear and it was not. Can we move on?
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>>101436455
Ai yo~ + the piece of the LoC she stole

Seriously, it's not really that ambiguous. Even if it isn't explained too well HOW, it doesn't matter, because that is what happened.
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>>101436425
This is speculation time.
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>>101436547
The piece of the LoC she stole was the human Madoka, not the goddess Madoka. How would human Madoka give her the power to rewrite reality? That makes no sense.
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>>101436589
She phase changed the hope that is Madoka and her own despair into love and used the power that generated to do it.
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>>101436589
It's in her Dark Orb, which is the source of her devil powers.
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>>101436223
She's not a witch, but something more. That doesn't mean "completely different from a witch and totally dissimilar in every possible way", and I have no fucking clue how you chose to interpret it that way given that her witch symbolism (the record) and her familiars are everywhere.
>>101436008
So what I'm getting from this is that you're saying "your interpretation is wrong because my interpretation", right?
There's no need to be a condescending asshole and pretend you're any more in the right than anyone else. Get over yourself. They intentionally created Rebellion to be extremely ambiguous to leave the world open for the fans to explore and play with. Go ahead and provide your own "what if", but don't act like yours is better than others'.
You're acting as retarded and close-minded as the people who started wars in the name of religion.
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>>101436567
Exactly.
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>>101436665
>You're acting as retarded and close-minded as the people who started wars in the name of religion.
Muh strawmen.

You're the one going and stating your shit is fact with no evidence to back it up.
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>>101436628
>She phase changed the hope that is Madoka
That's not indicated anywhere. We know she changed her own despair into love, which apparently involved enveloping the entire universe in some...thing. And filled it with familiars. I'm just saying, that's looking fairly similar to a barrier.

>>101436640
But the Law of Cycles isn't trapped anywhere, it still works as it is supposed to.
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>>101436679
I want to make love to that butt.
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>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
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>>101436771
She literally (okay, figuratively) ate Madoka. That's an indication.
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>>101436771
>But the Law of Cycles isn't trapped anywhere, it still works as it is supposed to.

Did you not watch the transformation sequence? The literal beginning of that scene is the piece of the LoC (that spool of thread) turning into her Dark Orb and then her eating it later to become the devil.
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HomuSaya bullying, which direction do you prefer?
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>>101436831
>>101436847
But she didn't rely on its power, she trapped it. The scene where the spool of thread is encompassed in the Dark Orb takes place after she rewrites the universe. The spool could be interpreted to mean several things, like simply grabbing hold of Madoka (in a figurative sense) or whatever. It's not entirely clear.
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>>101436337
Homura says it herself. "What tainted my soul gem, it wasn't a curse anymore. . . Brighter than hope, deeper than any despair--love!"
A lot of people take this to mean that Homura's hope and despair combined to create something greater than the sum of its parts.
Either way, we know from seeing her familiars that her despair exists, right?

You're for some reason very caught-up on arguing about the denotations of words when everything about the movie is very blurry, and not clear-cut at all.
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>>101436996
Homu bullying Saya always,
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>>101436996
It's cute either way, but sadist Homu is the best.
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>>101436739
> going and stating your shit is fact
Nope. I've called my interpretation exactly that multiple times. That's what theories and speculation are. You're the one acting like it's a pissing contest by insulting everyone and using buzzwords to condescend them. Grow up.
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>>101437088
Then it's just ai yo~ if you decide to go with that. Either way, she rewrote the universe, as it's stated explicitly once and then implied that this is the genuine article by Homura saying, "Oh yeah, I've seen this happen twice, but you don't remember."
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Is that SayakaxHomura rapist faggot here again? Jesus christ.
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>>101437404
Yes, love is clearly the power source, but we're talking about the implementation, if you will. Again, the aura encompassing the universe and Homulily's familiars running around the world as if they belong there are both very telling to me.
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>>101437430
HomuSaya spammer is not here YET don't trigger him.
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>>101437404
>Then it's just ai yo~ if you decide to go with that.
Why would you not?
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>>101437651
Sure seems like he already is.
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did aniplex usa put the blurays preorders up on their american store yet?
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>>101437509
If it was a barrier and it consumed the universe, wouldn't it just be the same as rewriting the universe?

It seems to be the same as Madokami's, as the sequence they showed before cutting to Mitakihara again was more or less the same, with all those shots of the galaxies and stuff, and once again, Homura did say that she's seen this before, so it appears to be the same processs.
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>>101437509
Charlotte's and Oktavia's were too. They exist because their owners are enlightened beings locked out of the Law of Cycles, not because they're in a witch barrier. That's also why they're non-violent.
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>>101437656
It's possible it was ai yo + the piece of the LoC, depending on whether you think the thread inside is powering the Dark Orb or whether it's just a prison for it.
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>>101437733
Yes, Charlotte and Oktavia's familiars exist because Sayaka and Nagisa are part witch. Homulily's familiars exist because Homura is part witch. That's my whole point.
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>>101436567
This image reminds me of something.
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>>101437823
>Homura is part witch
see
>>101436160
>>101436223
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>>101437879
That doesn't contradict what I said at all. She is not a witch, but she still has witch-like aspects. Hence the goddamn familiars!
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>>101437832
Lelouch and Rolo who grew his hair out to look like Nunally?
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>>101437733
It's implied that all witches are now magical girls and part of the Law of the Cycles, Nagisa uses Elsa Maria's familiars to fly around in the Homulilly battle, and H. N. Elly's rescue the people trapped in Homura's barrier after they get out and let's not forget the army of Anthony's. It's just that only Sayaka, Nagisa and Madokami herself ventured in Homura's barrier to save her.
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>>101437948
No, it's stated Oktavia was lent those familiars by the other witches personally because her's couldn't fight for shit, not that they're all part of the same entity.
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>>101437948
They were both loaned to Sayaka and Nagisa, becoming their familiars. That's why the Anthony have mermaid tails.
Sorry anon, if you'd just read the archives and wiki all of this could be avoided. Step it up.
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>>101437948
They needed at least two people to play divide there and get Kyouko and Mami on their side by getting in close, but any more than two would have drawn suspicion. This is the lesson Madoka learned from all of Homura's time-travel failures; you need more than one person on your side for a good game of divinde and conquer.

In order to steal Kyouko and Mami away from QB's intentions when they time came they needed to max out their trust level on both ends and get them in on the plan.
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>>101425772
>Homura's escapism

She was forced by the QBs to be there, it was more like a prison than escapism.
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>>101438062
>>101438096
Fine, fine, in my defense I haven't watched the movie yet, sorry.
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>>101438194
Gertrud lending her Anthonys to Oktavia was only stated in the guidebook anyway.
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>>101438155
She wasn't forced by the QBs to do anything. They simply cut her off from the LoC. The world is her own creation and reflects her inner desires, just like every other labyrinth.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp08D7Siseg

Battle Pentagram confirmed for Bowmura's dream
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>Shipping game where everyone bands together and defeats Walpurgisnacht
>It was all Homura's dream
Whelp.
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>>101427617
Not really.
Homura's love for Madoka is way deeper than Sayaka's love(?) for Kyouko. Also, Sayaka would never make the things Homura did for a person she loved. Sayaka isn't capable of selfish love, otherwise she would just follow Kyouko's advice in the tv show and just kidnap the violin boy after destroying his legs and arms.
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>>101438315
>otherwise she would just follow Kyouko's advice in the tv show and just kidnap the violin boy after destroying his legs and arms.
I would hope you aren't asserting that Homura did something similar to that to Madoka.
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>>101438315
>Sayaka isn't capable of selfish love
I wouldn't go that far. She admits to herself that her wanting to heal Kyousuke is a little selfish, because she wants to be "the person that healed him". But she at least tries to fight back against that sort of desire.
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>>101436787
Don't you have any faith in Shaft?
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>>101438295
Even Homura wants to have a sweet dream at times, and even she dreamed of a world where they could all be together.

:CONTINUED IN REBELLION
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>>101438295
The Battle Pentagram = Colorful
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>>101438537
Shaft should do more originals and stop with the adaptions. Then we will have more faith.
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>>101438546
>>101438574
I suddenly have more respect for that game.
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>>101438574
>"What happened, Homura? Did you have a happy dream again?"
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>>101435938
And when Madoka finally dies from old age the world is fucked. Homura will probably just lose interest and ignore everything.
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>>101438979
Can't she just let Madoka's spirit return to godhood when that happens?
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>>101438979
If Rebellion Homura really is inspired by Nietzsche, she would probably just reset the world over and over for eternity.
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>>101438408
Your hope is correct.
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>>101438979
It's a stasis loop; they won't change, grow older or develop, they'll all just be repeating their days forever in that bubble in eternal happiness. The groundhog day is something she's learned about quite well, but now it''s groundhog day as a good time where no one remembers they're in a loop, like Little Busters.

Besides, Madoka has only currently forgotten she is something more than human, that side of her is just being suppressed. She's still something more than human here though, and thus can't die naturally as she is eternal.
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>>101438804
If you were Sayaka /a/, would you destroy that lovely dream?
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>>101439313
Could I do it by masturbating a lot?
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>>101439313
Yes. Homura needs to wake up.
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>>101439407

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=41364389
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>>101439313
If I were Sayaka, I'd do everyone a favor and kill myself.
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>>101439448
talk shit get hit
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>>101439313
Are you kidding? I'd probably just have my friends and family congratulate me for realizing that I'm not a useless zombie.
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>>101439469
>This guys started drawing Homura again
Fucking finally, his Sayaka phase really was a blunder to his art.
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>>101439313
I don't know, but one thing is sure:
Suffering awaits in the next Madoka story.
I want to see Madoka and everybody else hating Homura for what she did while she is brutally executed by the Megucas. Next she would be reincarnated as a pig and eaten by poor people, and this cycle would keep going until the end of their universe, in which Madoka would just take her soul and send it to oblivion together with the QBs.
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>>101439469
Good gracious
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>>101439313
In order
>Grow out my hair
>Sex Mami
>Help Homura get together with Madoka
>Sex Kyouko
>Tell Kyousuke he's a fucking faggot
>Sex Nagisa
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>>101439477
That's probably the best way to shake up Homura's dream world. If a god is forcing everyone to live happily ever after, nothing says "fuck you" better than offing yourself violently in front of everyone over and over again.
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>>101439582
>I want to see Madoka and everybody else hating Homura
>Madoka
Stopped reading right there.
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>>101439510
I don't understand why someone would draw pictures of Homura and Sayaka performing pro-wrestling maneuvers on each other.
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>>101439589
>>Grow out my hair
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>>101439632
Clearly you did not stop reading there, since you managed to parse the next five words.
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>>101439648
Elevens do enjoy their wrestling. I just like how cool Homu is in the images.
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>>101439648
I don't understand why people don't draw more pictures of Homura and Sayaka performing pro-wrestling maneuvers on each other.
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What would you do if you were Nakazawa and became aware that everyone in the world was fake?
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>>101439448
no
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>>101439313
I don't know about destroying nice things, but I certainly need to keep an eye on that devil.
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>>101439582
>trying to torture Homura
>giving her what she wants

When will you people learn? The only way to kill Homura is out-love her to death and let herself die from denial and embarrassment.
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>>101439758
That's an anaconda vise, good move.
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>>101439795
Tell Saotome-sensei to shut up and stop being such a crazy bitch
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>>101439660
>Having a disgusting tomboy haircut
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>>101439795
I imagine that non-megucas are unaware of the labyrinth's effects, just like normal people who've been witch-kissed and the people walking around in Homura's world unperturbed because they don't see a green sky or purple drink everywhere.
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>>101439632
Homura will be the one to teach Madoka what is hatred. This new feeling would give her strength to defeat Homura. Never Madoka would feel love and mercy for another human being, and she turns into pic related.

A man can dream, can't he?
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>>101439878
Short hair a best.
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>>101439795
It's not rape if they're fake, right? Those black-hole eyes might be cute once you get used to them. Just don't turn the lights off.
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>>101439836
He's just some edgy kid who hates Homura and wants to watch her suffer in grotesque redundant ways for some petty reason. Ignore him.
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>>101439795
If everyone except the megucas, Hitomi, Kyousuke, Nakazawa, Saotome, and Madoka's family were fakes, then was Saotome getting fucked by literally faceless men?
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>>101439861
>Homura getting ready for the F-U
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>>101439878
>not liking tomboys
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>>101439804
Someone should typeset this, it sums up a lot of Rebellion threads.
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>>101439975
I thought the whole point was that she wasn't getting fucked by anyone.
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>>101439974
> who hates Homura

That's where you are wrong. I don't hate Homura, I just want to see her getting what she wants and to see Madoka corrupted by it.
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>>101439991
>BAW GAWD SHE JUST BROKE SAYAKA'S NECK, THAT KILLED HER
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>>101439795
Why the hell did Nakazawa even remain lucid or whatever and get taken out of the barrier? What worth does this no-name have to Madoka? For all we know, he's just the poor loser teacher always abuses to make a point about her personal life.
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>>101440057
Well he sits next to Homura. That's about it.
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>>101439701
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>>101440057
Maybe there is a meguca in love with him? As if the whole fiasco with the violin boy wasn't enough of a lesson to them.
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>>101440057
Sensei would be lonely.
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>>101440057
The isolation field is one way, Homura probably lured him in.

Maybe he gave Homura a love letter or something.
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>>101440048
>I just want to see her getting what she wants
>Homura is a masochist
It's like you don't know what is a bittersweet love.
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>>101440057
Homura sat next to him in class.
He was the first classmate whose name Homura learned.
His name gets called on a lot.
He probably left an impression on Homura.
Nakazawa x Homura when
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>>101440057
Homura loves Nakazawa. This whole aio yo Madoka shit is just a distraction for her because she doesn't want to admit her true feelings. Her subconscious says it all.
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>>101440053
Is Homura training to be a luchadora?
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>>101440048
>love Homura
>hate Madoka

The only way this could possibly work is if you hate Madoka inadvertently torturing Homura by leaving her all alone as the only one that remembers her for no reason and completely ignoring her feelings, thereby deserving what Homura did as she brought it upon herself. Even then, Homura is guilty of the same shit.

>love is being dumb together
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>>101440185
Of course I don't, where do you think we are?
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>>101440196
What would Sayaka and Homura's wrestling names be?

I can think of a few good ones for Sayaka.
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>>101440183
Nakazawa is one smooth operator.

>Clip girl: Hey, Nakazawa-kun. Do you think I look better with my green clip or my pink clip?
>Nakazawa: It doesn't really matter either way, does it?
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>>101440043
If a guy's complaining about your eggs, it's probably because a few hours ago he only cared about the size of your breasts and now that he's fucked you, he has no reason to brown nose.
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>>101440261
She wasn't talking about eggs in the barrier though, she was talking about wanting the world to end because she wasn't getting any.
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>>101440257
She's looking at him with such relentless lust. He's so fucking cool. No wonder Homrua thinks about him all the time.
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>>101440302
Well, who knows. We get a month-long timeskip after that scene.
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Calling the ending to Madoka Magica

1. No more magical girls
2. Society is less advanced (Meaning modern day Japan instead of Avant Garde Shaftistan)
3. Mami is alive, still has no parents and lives alone in an empty apartment with nobody to talk to.
4. After all that Kyouko/Sayaka shipping that's going to happen it's going to end with Sayaka visiting violinfag everyday until violinfag eventually kills himself making Sayaka miserable and driving a wedge between her and Hitomi's friendship.
5. Kyouko is starving and miserable with her cultic parents, or she's barely surviving on the streets.
6. Homura is just a frail girl with a heart condition and isn't expected to live much longer.
7. Despite that she still manages to meet and befriend Madoka and eventually confesses to her allowing her to finally get what she always wanted.

and thus they lived happily ever after.
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>>101440251
What do you have for Sayaka?
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>>101440257
Imagine how troll it would be of SHAFT to make Nakazawa the protag of the sequel?
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>>101440439
Hija de Puta
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>>101440439
The Blue Bird of Mitakihara, of course.
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>>101440213
That's precisely the reason. I'm still mad at Madoka for letting Homura keep her memories, even though it would be the best for Homura to forget her. Also, that's why I'm satisfied with Rebellion, serves Madoka right.
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>>101440459
>The entire world becomes split between those that side with Madoka and those that side with Homura
>Nakazawa stands up in the front and asks if any of this really fucking matters
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>>101440394
No one would allow Mami-san to live alone and friendless. She doesn't deserve such an unhappy end.

Besides, she does have friends in Different Story, she's just busy being a magical girl
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>>101440459
It literally writes itself. Madoka pulls a genre shift and turns into a harem staring Nakazawa. Based Shinbo will make it happen.
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>>101440394
> Homura is just a frail girl with a heart condition and isn't expected to live much longer.
> Implying Madoka wouldn't find a way
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>>101440257
That's bullshit. Clip-tan even tried to invite Homura to cafe after school and she doesn't get lured?
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>>101440568
God dammit Madoka stop finding ways
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>>101440550
>being mad at Madoka
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>>101440550
>I'm still mad at Madoka for letting Homura keep her memories
Madoka has no control over that, faggot.
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>>101440251
Sayaka - Mask de Bitch
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>>101440579
Well then you explain why Nakazawa was lured.
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>>101440439
Marshmallow Justice.
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>>101440257
>one arm casually leaning
>the other one attentively on his lap
Holy shit, he really goes all-out with his mantra. (Well, except when he doesn't. Either way is fine, really.)
>>101440559
Nakazawa is the missing link that Dualism needs.
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>>101440750
Because Nakazawa being the target of Kazuko's rants is an everyday routine in Madoka's normal life, which Homura was trying to emulate.
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>>101440750
His sensei's true love and the forever the person chosen to answer the fucking egg question.
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>>101440559
This needs to be a thing.
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>>101440792
What about everyone else who is prominent in class? Like all the girls who nag her all the time?
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>>101440787
Clearly he comes from the Neutral Planet.
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>>101440251
>ECW Homura
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>>101440871
I can see Homura taking some Foley bumps.
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>>101440852
They're not as prominent as Nakazawa. They don't even have names. And she hates attention anyway.
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>>101440750
>Homu lures in Kazuko because her wacky antics in front of the class is required to make her labyrinth feel real
>Kazuko always ask Nakazawa strange questions, Homu lacks the imagination to dream up how Nakazawa deals with them
>lures in Nakazawa as well
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>>101440550
And Homura will deserve her comeuppance for hurting Madoka. The problem is neither Madoka nor Homura is honest about their own desires, and neither understands the other at all but share a close bond that makes them literally star crossed "lovers."

It's a shame Homura's love power is going to get absorbed by the universe and fix the entropy problem forever at the cost of Homura's own existence, except nobody will ever remember her.
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>>101439469
I can spot that panty fetish from a mile away

is he apart of Katamari-ya?
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>>101440909
They talk to her all the time though. In episode two, they asked her out and it's implied that it's not the first time they did either.
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>>101440944
Yes, and she just wants them to shut up and go away.
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>>101440251
Stone Cold Sayakaustin
Hulk Homu
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>>101435047
>live broadcast version of Kimi no Gin no Niwa with a live accordion

The Rebellion Premiere show on Nicovideo right? I found a copy it here

http://www.bilibili.tv/video/av812280/index_3.html
I remember someone from Canta-per-don ripped the music video before, but I can't find it right now.
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>>101440970
But she doesn't want Nakazawa to shut up and go away? Interesting.
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>>101439795
So I guess Poorfag is a fake in Homura's world.
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>>101440990
He doesn't bother her.
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>>101440990
He doesn't give a fuck to Homu that's why his okay.
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>>101441020
She's not shown in any shots when the fakes are visibly fake.
But she's also not shown with the rest of the victims in chairs in the desert outside the barrier.
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>>101440550
>I'm still mad at Madoka
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>>101440920
Is the real Saotome in the labyrinth?
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So I thought well how the fuck would they continue a bitter sweet ending? So I walked right into the movie theatre expecting a happy ending epilogue because where the fuck are you going to go with that ending in the series? So what the flying fuck Urobutcher? The ride never ends.
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>>101441020
Yeah, at least she has a boyfriend in the fake world.
>Implying he takes good care of her
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Guys guys remember, witches tend to plant their kisses on people with a few screws loose in their head:

>Kazuko is way fucked in the head
>Kyousuke and Hitomi have a dysfunction relationship

Maybe it's a simple matter of Nakazawa having some problems that we don't know of. The rest of the class are too well adjusted to be lured.
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>>101441020
Poorfag does get a boyfriend at the very least.

God I'm so happy ;_;
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>>101441020
>>101441083

Poorfag?
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>>101441180
>that one-sided luminous
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>>101441175
>not know who poorfag
Disgusting.
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>>101441222
oh shit, SYMBOLISM
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>>101441180
I've watched the movie three times and failed to notice that. Thanks.

Can't wait for 4/2
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>>101441022
So everyone in the class but Nakazawa, the teacher, and the other megucas bother her?
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>>101441175
Newfag detected let me guess you don't even know who Brown Sayaka is.
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>>101441263
Or they're just irrelevant?
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>>101441265
Sure don't
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>>101441122
Welcome to the club, pick your poison
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>>101441180
Also, those are Roberta's familiars I guess? I don't think we saw them outside of that scene.
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>>101441263
And hetumi and kyusiko
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>>101441279
So Nakazawa-kun is relevant.
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>>101441161
Remember this is Homura's ideal world, maybe Homu knows about poorfag and fixed her suffering when she dreamt up that world.
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>>101441175
Rewatch the series and look for the one lone girl whose family can't get her a laptop like the other kids
kind of depressing really
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>>101441374
Yes, I'm glad you were keeping up,
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>>101441310
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>>101441385
Thanks for the help. That gives me more reason to go through the series again.
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>>101439536
He's been drawing all Meguka pretty regularly these days
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>>101441391
So Homura loves him.
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>>101441376
What a good girl. I'm so happy. Thank you based Homura ;_;
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>>101441444
I can't help but feel you made a bit of a logical leap there.
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>>101441310
Too bad.
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>>101441477
>annoying but still relevant people don't make it
>Nakazawa makes it
See the picture?
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>>101441265
Do you mean that Tan girl?

God she looks fucking perfect.
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>>101441476
Wait, I thought she was still brown-haired and got a laptop in the movies.
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>>101441476
Interestingly I think her hair color is blue momentarily in Rebellion as well, and vice versa in the movies. It's really inconsistent.
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>>101441552
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>>101441544
Yes, he's relevant but not annoying.
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>>101441585
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>>101441594
That means she loves him!
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>>101441624
Ah, I'm afraid you've lost me again there.
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>>101441552
Is Homura trying to sneak glances at Nakazawa?
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>>101441622
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is she ok
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>>101441668
She's fine.
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>>101441552
Holy fuck, look at everyone 'mirin Nakazawa in the movie version. They really are setting him up for protag.
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>>101441666
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>>101441668
No Homura hates her.
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>>101441668
Totally fine.
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>>101441552
Homura is totally eye raping him.

Does this make Homura bi instead of full lesbian?
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>>101441640
>>101441724
She's looking towards Madoka you doofuses.
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>>101441707
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>>101441724
She's glancing back at Madoka you double baka. Go wild with speculation on something useful.
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>>101441749
stop
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>>101441749
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>>101441668
I don't know ask her.
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>>101441758
Wrong.
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>>101441714
>>101441800
So no, then?
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>>101441800
Madokami is sleeping. Please let her rest.
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>>101441552
Kyousuke is missing in class again in movie 3? But isn't he fine?
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>>101441878
I want Homu to have a big rest not Madokami...
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>>101441748
Why? She can clearly see that Madoka's about to fall asleep from how boring the lecture is

I mean it already got Sayaka and the guy in front of her.
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>>101441928
Those aren't Rebellion, silly.
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>>101441855
It zooms in on Madoka, and then on Homura glancing back.

Nakazawa belongs to Saotome, fuck off with your crack shit.
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>>101441928
Too busy with his violin.
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>>101441928
No, that's from episode 4.
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>>101441980
>looks at him in class
>invites her into her personal dream world
Doesn't sound like crack to me
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>>101441980
>She always picks on him
>That means he must be her bitch

Yeah, no, fuck off with your crack shit
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>>101442061
Next you're going to be telling me that HomuSaya is crack.
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>>101441980
Hey now, there's nothing wrong about mirin' a guy's aesthetics when you're sneaking peeks at your waifu.
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>>101433258
>Whole point of her Soul Gem World Dream arc is that sooner or later someone will realise that the ideal world is fake.
>the ideal world is fake
>the ideal world is something that Homura really wants and she just being honest with her true feelling and make it comes true at the end.
Fixed for some retard
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Why is Homura such a waste of space? All she does is ruin the lives of everyone around her, she should just fuck off and die.
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Seen as we're talking about the class:
Did Homura actually swap her seat with Madoka at the end of movie 3?

If so, that means she's setting next to Sayaka now right?
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>>101442390
Homura don't you have better things to do than continuously shitpost on /a/?
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>>101442390
Well yeah, she does want to die but NOOOOOO.
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>>101442433
She sits over in the back.
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>>101442390
Homura pls.
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>>101442481
So I guess she replaced...that dude.
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>>101442481
Woah what the fuck, she did some serious shuffling here.

So F and J are still around. But Homu put F forward one, put Kyouko in F's original seat and then kicked out L.
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>>101442603
Couldn't L just be over in Homura's old seat next to Nakazawa? Well, obviously someone must be missing since Kyouko was added.
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>>101442481
>>101442519
>>101442603
RIP girl hair girl, the first victim of Homu's tyrannical rule
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>>101442603
>Kyouko sits next to Sayaka
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>>101442689
Fucking brilliant.
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>>101435712
Doesn't Madoka more awful? She interfere with the law of universe and making a new rule to satisfied herself and small group of girl while making the collecting energy to prevent entropy harder.
Futhermore, all despair didn't vanish but its gone more widespread than before.
Because compare to the witch, wraith have more number and they just born out of no where so the victim from wraith must be numerous than the old universe where there's only the witch.
by looking at overall image, Madoka universe is better for only small group of selfish girl while its makes the whole world and universe becomes worse then before.
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>>101442457
She can't even die properly without failing miserably. What a worthless bitch, Madoka deserves way better than her.
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>>101442854
Homura, please, you have to be 18 to post here.
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>>101442728
They'd probably be throwing shit at each other all the time if it weren't for the fact that they're constantly asleep in class.
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>>101442845
>Because compare to the witch, wraith have more number and they just born out of no where so the victim from wraith must be numerous than the old universe where there's only the witch.
That's silly, we have no reason to believe that. Even weak witches like Elly were entirely capable of ensnaring dozens of victims at a time, I'm sure wraiths are individually weaker since they attack in groups.
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>>101442879
Homura is in her twenties if you subscribe to the theory that she's experienced 90+ timelines.
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>>101442854
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>>101442941
A theory which is confirmed by the author, but some people just don't care for it so they say "Death of the Author" to note that it's not canon.

Besides, it was only called approaching a hundred, rather than giving a specific number.
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>>101442941
Biologically and on her documents she'd be 14, so Homura needs to go to bed.
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>>101442941
>>101442972
What's the commonly accepted loop time? 47 days still?
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>>101442944
>Homura
>bragging
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>>101443001
But she's god so fuck the documents.
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>>101442944
Sayaka may be dumb, but she's a much better friend than Homura ever was. Unlike Homura, her presence didn't constantly make her miserable, and she never led Madoka to her own death like Homura did on multiple occasions.
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>>101442854
Pls stop Homu, you just wait for me.After I get this fucking ribbon off of this damn window
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>>101443018
Somewhere around a month at least
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>>101443018
I think 48 from midnight of March 16th to midnight of May 1st.
>>101443001
Does this look like the face of someone who goes to bed to you? Clearly she spends all night shitposting.
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>>101443043
I AM THE LAW
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>>101443079
I'm not saying she does, she just should. She looks tired.
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>>101443079
>Clearly she spends all night shitposting.
So if Homura shitposts on /a/, do you think she watches anime? What did Homura pick up this season?
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>>101443079
She doesn't wake up midnight of 16/03 though. When she wakes up in bed the sun is pretty bright outside. I'm guessing it's more like morning.
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>>101443079
Someone please cut off her internet! She needs a long beauty rest.
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>>101443130
This season? Sakura trick and Nobunagun.
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>>101443130
Chuunibyou demo koi so she can learn how to be the master of darkness.
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>>101443130
Sakura Trick so she can self insert as Haruka, Chuuni and Nobunagun.
Probably watching her backlogs maybe F/Z
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>>101443130
Saki and Sakura Trick. Or maybe she'd take catharsis from the fucked-up romance in Golden Time.
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>>101442854
>>101443068

Damn...
I guess Oriko really was right.
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>>101443306
I wonder how Oriko and Kirika are doing in Homu's dream world.

Probably not well...
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>>101439233
>Talking like Madoka becomes god because she's meglomoniac
Madoka don't really care about LOC if the world is in peace in the best girl's hand like Homura
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>>101443026
She's smug as fuck at the end.

>>101443306
Saving Madoka > the universe

deal with it Oriko
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>>101443306
Except the part where that bitch wants to hurt Madoka.
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>>101443141
Right, but could her soul have entered while she was asleep? Not that a few hours is really important.
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>>101443257
>homura self inserting in sakura trick
This shit is hilarious.
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>>101443340
Probably very dead.
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>>101443386
It's already a thing, check out /u/
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>>101443386
She'd have some kind of happiness overload if she was kissing Madoka all the time.
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The only way I can accept a Homura-defeat end is if she's conquered with love. Gotta fight fire with fire.
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>>101439890
A man can dream, can't he?
You want to be a magical boy? make a contact with me then
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>>101443400
Killing people for crimes they haven't committed is bullshit. Down with the false god.
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>>101443611
Both sides are guilty of that shit
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>>101443683
How the fuck Madoka side was guilty of that?
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>>101443590
You are stupid Coobie don't go asking contracts in here most of them wish to be a cute 2Dgrill.
You're already doomed.
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>>101428351
Gen said Rebellion would split the fanbase. I was worried he might be full of it, but oh did he ever deliver.
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>>101443611
I assume you're aware of the irony in that statement.
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>>101443751
Moron, Orikos side.
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>>101430960
Is this from the pachinko game?
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>>101443828
Yes.
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>>101443429
>madoka is babbies first implicit yuri
>sakura trick is babbies first actual/explicit yuri
This definitely explains the huge crossfanbase. Babbies.
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>>101443589
I'm a Homufag, but a happy ending would be just disappointing.

>Sayaka somehow restores Madoka's memories
>human Madoka rejoins with Madokami
>Madokami and Akuma Homura have their final battle for the universe
>Homura takes it too far and strikes a killing blow to Madoka
>she realizes what she's done and has a breakdown
>Madoka forgives her with her last breath
>Homura says something to the effect of "I wish none of this ever happened"
>we see another universe altering scene
>we're back at the ending of timeline one, with Moemura crying over dead or dying Madoka
>only this time there's no magic, no kyubey, no anything to stop it
>Homura clings to Madoka's dead body, puts a gun to her head, and shoots
>the screen goes black and the movie is over
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>>101443816
You see, when Oriko punishes a criminal before they've committed their crime you know it's right because Oriko foresaw it.
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>>101443940
And Homura is from the fucking future.
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>>101443939
3edge5me
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>>101443939
Wow how about no
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>>101443940
Goku knew that Gero would destroy the future if left alone, but still felt it was wrong to punish someone for something they had not done.

Homura knows Oriko if left alone will still fall to the same path, so by your logic she's not wrong either. However that's incorrect, the sin is still the same either way even if they really are going to do it. You can't punish someone for something they haven't done yet if you condone it in a different set of circumstances that's really the same.
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>>101444008
There are no brakes on the suffering train.
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>101443940
Actually post Rebellion it becomes hard to say. Since Homura is now on level with Godoka, she might be able to see the future and all timelines. If she kills Oriko and Kirika and say "I had to do that since there were going to kill a lot of innocent people", there is no way of knowing if she's actually telling the truth or bullshit out of spite
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>>101443940
Yeah right.
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>>101443939
Homufag pls don't make it more worse.
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>>101443939
I guess this is what separates fanfics from professional writers.
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>>101443939
Homura's suffering is an old concept though.

You know how Code Geass R2 ends with all of Nunnaly's idealism comes crashing down on her? That's what I want to happen to Madoka.
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>>101443939
At this point another bad ending would just be torturing the girls for no reason and be edged just because.
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>>101444207
We gretchen now?

>>101444272
The whole thing was torturing the girls for no reason.

Does Homura even know how to be happy? Would she be happy in Yuri Valhalla? It works on witches, but she's something else entirely.
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>>101444272
So far, Madoka has had despair and hope equally represented, so I agree. Going all for one side would be uncharacteristic.
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>>101444364
>The whole thing was torturing the girls for no reason.
No, not really.
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>>101444365
What a flawless edit. thank you anon.
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>>101444207
>>101444272
As long as there are Madoka fans forking out money for more series/movie, the suffering will not end.

Megucas will only get their Good End once all the fans have given up and left.

Search your feelings
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>>101444470
>tfw we've doomed Homu to suffer forever
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>>101444364
>Does Homura even know how to be happy?
This bothers me, I don't know what Homura is thinking at all. It's like she operates only to fight anything. Does she even know that she's not happy at all? Her self hate and thinking that she deserves nothing is cringe worthy.
Why won't they just let her sleep for eternity.
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>>101444585
You know what? It feels good.
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>>101444585
That's why Homu doesn't want attention leave her alone ;_;
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>>101444606
She wouldn't want that, unless it was with a Madoka. Then she'd just want Madoka to live.

I wonder if or when Homura sat down and thought to herself after Rebellion "what the fuck have I done?"

>>101444695
i can't help it
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>>101444470
That's only if they want to torture the girls and the fans for no reason, they can make a happy ending and continue to milk the series just fine.
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>>101444606
Of course she knows she's not happy. She never wished for happiness. She's at least...satisfied in observing Madoka's happiness. Just like Madoka is okay giving up her connection to the mortal world if it means she can help people. They're a bit alike in that way. Thought I think Homura is significantly more insane in her martyr complex.
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>>101444606
>Urobuchi: I think it's a happy ending, at least for the main character Homura

It's kind of weird you think that sleeping for eternity is something desired.
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>>101444470
>>101444585
Is this were true, I'd feel bad.
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>>101444768
>I wonder if or when Homura sat down and thought to herself after Rebellion "what the fuck have I done?"
That was the point of the final scene, but didn't carry that message well.
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>>101444871
Don't feel bad you idiot, your suffering will just create more wraiths that have to be cleaned up.

>>101444848
She's not more insane, she just has something real to fight for rather than idealistic hope.

Okay, maybe giving up anything and everything, sacrificing your soul, and then making yourself a devil beyond salvation is a bit insane.
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>>101427054
Gen "You're a Butcher" Urobochi writing a happy end? HAhahahahahahah
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>>101444861
Yeah, Homura truly is Faust.
>"Psh, heaven is probably overrated anyway."
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>>101444879
Actually the point was that Homura isn't finished just yet, if you heard the song playing in the background or noticed the imagery that relates to The Fool tarot card.
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>>101445030
He mostly writes bittersweet ends at worst, to be honest.
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>>101445066
Personally I still find the tarot thing kind of a stretch, a lot of the connections are pretty tenuous.
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>>101445072
Yeah, it's usually either 'protag wins at cost of the world', or 'the world wins at cost of the protag', and Madoka has had both.
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>>101445066
>The Fool tarot card.
And we've already gone over the fact that that comparison is not the case, the case is suicide.
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>>101445118
But the only one who really lost in Rebellion was Kyubey, and if Homura is feeding him grief cubes, he's still getting energy out of it.
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>>101445208
In Rebellion's case I'd say it's "protag wins at cost of the protag".
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>>101445099
The Fool is dancing mirthfully at a cliffside with a flower in his hand that represents his appreciation for beauty. The dog at his side represents his desires--a tamed dog means that the Fool has accepted his desires.
The Fool falls off the cliff without realizing it, symbolizing crazy wisdom.

The Fool is the beginning and the end.
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Imagine what would happen if this movie was screened at Hoyts Bankstown, Sydney.

People descend upon the area with Anime T-shirts and dressed up as anime characters.

"Oh you see that Moe [Mohammad]. You see that fat Asian kid with a little girl t-shirt. Like what a faggot."
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>>101445149
Shut up Homura. If you wanted to die you would have told Madoka to fuck off, but you didn't. You said, "I can bear any sin. No matter what form I'm reduced to, I'm sure it'll be fine as long as I'm with you!"
You want a happy life. Try to hide it all you want by antagonizing everyone, but we all know that the labyrinth reflects the true desires.
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So recently I've come to accept that Homura's actions don't make Madoka's sacrifice meaningless. For example you wouldn't call a willing martyr a coward just because the moment they were about to be executed someone shows up unexpectedly and saves them.

I also acknowledge that it is better that Madoka be allowed to live a normal life, especially if nothing is actually wrong with the Law of Cycles.

With that in mind, I still can't find myself approving full heart what Homura did and still find myself wanting to see it be torn down with Madoka retaking control. Any ideas why that is? Anyone who can relate?
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>>101445149
The only thing we've gone over is that a lot of different interpretations are equally valid and can't be disproven. Get over yourself.
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After the movie I want to read some doujinshi about Mami and Nagisa: like how Mami reacts to the truth about Nagisa´s Bebe form.
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>>101445328
>If you wanted to die you would have told Madoka to fuck off
Isn't that the opposite of what she should do if she wants to die? Madoka is basically the Grim Reaper of magical girls.
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There ain't no grave can hold my body down
There ain't no grave can hold my body down
When I hear that trumpet sound I'm gonna rise right out of the ground
Ain't no grave can hold my body down

Well, look way down the river, what do you think I see?
I see a band of angels and they're coming after me
Ain't no grave can hold my body down
There ain't no grave can hold my body down
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>>101445149
Why do you think those are mutually exclusive anon? The Fool represents the end and the new beginning that follows.
The Salamander represents death and rebirth.
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>>101445366
>"I'll save you, Bebe!"
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>>101445328
Now she's with Madoka, all is right with the world.
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It is too damn late for all this fucking symbolism, I'm going to bed.
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>>101445354
Because Homura is alone, and Madoka has no idea what is really happening again.That you were expecting Madokami to take her to valhalla with her.
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>>101445426
Except for the part that she's not.
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>>101445429
Yes, come to bed Madoka.
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>>101445424
No, I mean about the witch. The fact that she fucking bite her head.
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>>101445461
Symbolism fight!!
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>>101445354
I was okay with Homura's actions from the start, and I want to see her go farther into this whole devil thing. I want to see her push Sayaka's buttons and then clap her memories of it away. I want to see Homura do some really unforgivable things, and for her new power to consume her. Then I want to see her corrupt Madoka, maybe turn Madokami into Gretchen, and really throw a dick in the universe.

I don't know why, and I don't want to see her or Madoka cry anymore, but at least it would be a fun ride.

>>101445467
>tfw no homu to go to bed with
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homu a shit
YOU HEAR ME
A SHIT

A SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
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>>101445467
>those arrows

I think I'd prefer to look at those legs thank you very much.
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>>101445461
She's totally on the same plane of existence. The Butcher seems to think any continuation will be about a "goddess and a devil in the same class".

At the very least, we can assume Homura will be watching over Madoka. Madoka being Madoka, it's probably inevitable that she'll be drawn to Homura in some way.
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>>101445467
But that's a seal.
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>>101445566
Homu get off /a/
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>>101445589
The point is that Homura is emotionally distant from Madoka. Just like how she said in episode 11 that her feelings couldn't reach Madoka anymore after all the time loops. Except this is way worse.
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>>101445536
You're post did remind me of one reason I'm uneasy still about this end. Basically because it came out of pure luck that the universe didn't get fucked over. Homura couldn't possibly had known what would happen when Madoka was stripped from her godhood. Honestly she got the best possible scenario with the Law of Cycles seemingly still working properly.

There's a bit of annoyance that such a selfish action putting Madoka ahead of the Universe ends up not having any shown consequences. So that solves a bit of my confusion.
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>>101445675
>Homura couldn't possibly had known what would happen when Madoka was stripped from her godhood
Isn't that pretty similar to Madoka's wish? She didn't really account for the fact that some new enemy for magical girls to fight that happened to lead to a nicer system than witches would arise, but luckily that's what wraiths are.
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>>101445354
>So recently I've come to accept that Homura's actions don't make Madoka's sacrifice meaningless.
But it does, Madoka was just being stupid and naive again, her sacrifice and her highest point in the series was not necessary, it was just another stupid mistake that Homura had to correct, everything that Madoka did was unnecessary, she is a useless girl who can't do anything right, Homura has to interfere and do what Madoka couldn't do right and without really sacrificing anything for it, this is how things are presented to you in the movie.
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End this thread with some Sealdoka.

Do it faggots.
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>>101445655
Or the point could be that Homura has refused salvation. Either way, Luminous isn't even in Urobuchi's script (You can tell what's done by Gen / Inu Curry by finding out where the anime and manga are the same.), so I don't think you should put too much stock in it.
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>>101445740
>her sacrifice and her highest point in the series was not necessary
How do you figure that, exactly? Homura's new universe is still built on Madoka's wish. Homura couldn't have done what she did without Madoka's sacrifice in the first place.
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>>101445675
>the universe which demands Madoka sacrifice(evil) should be put ahead of Madoka
Why?
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>>101445715
Similar yes, but in Madoka's wishes case wraiths are still kinda a negative that is required to enter into the universe to balance things out. I mean the best scenario for Madoka's world would have been that Magical Girls don't have to fight anything. Not sure what the life span of a Magical Girl would be if they had no method of purification and only used their magic to preserve their bodies. In that scenario the sacrifice Magical Girls would make would be to use their limited magic to better the world; at the risk of shortening their own life span.

Also I'm sure we can agree that risking everything for all Magical Girl kind is more noble than risking everything in order to do what you think is best for someone else?
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>>101445675
Not only no consequences, but a better world where none of the megucas are dead and Homura controls the incubators. She could have just as easily killed Madokami, turning Madoka human forever and creating a world with both witches and wraiths. Or splitting Madokami could have unbalanced things and released Gretchen to really fuck up the universe as a witch with the power of a goddess.

>>101445740
Madoka can't be useless if she's that wide.
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>>101445808
I don't think he does. No need to feed the trolls.
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>>101445809
So would you justify Homura's actions if what she did completely destroyed the LoC? Witches are back, Madoka's sacrifice completely abandoned; you'd still cheer "Homura was right!"?

The main reason so many can support this selfish action is because nothing bad came of it as far as we know.
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>>101445831
>Also I'm sure we can agree that risking everything for all Magical Girl kind is more noble than risking everything in order to do what you think is best for someone else?
Not really, no. They're aren't too different.
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>>101445831
>Not sure what the life span of a Magical Girl would be if they had no method of purification and only used their magic to preserve their bodies.
Not very long at all. I don't think the system would even function without something to fight.
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>>101445740
This, this nigga right here gets it.

Yes there was much tear and suffering, but through it all all the megucas managed to find meaning in their wish, particularly Madoka. Yuri Heaven even seems to be a great place with Sayaka and the rest having a ball with Godoka.

But then Homura, who don't have the faintest idea what Yuri Heaven actually looks like decides "No, can't have that" and decides to throw all that history away just so she can have the human Madoka again?
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>>101445880
Then please explain how they are similar.
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Ain't no grave can hold her body down
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>>101445868
I dunno, she said what happened to Madoka was worse than death. She might be right about that.

>>101445913
>all the megucas managed to find meaning in their wish
Except idiot Nagisa.
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>>101445868
Not exactly, but I would say that "Madoka was worth it" and "there has to be another way".

Obviously Homura doesn't want to kill off everything else just because of Madoka, that would be pointless. Indeed, she never does do this, and brings it upon herself to change Madoka's fate. It's only due to Madoka always seemingly supporting her throughout the time lines and making that final wish that saved Homura from becoming a witch.

She didn't destroy the LoC, she doesn't destroy the world, witches are not back, Madoka's sacrifice is not in vain. I'm not sure why people have to assume that because Homura managed to do something that might have improved the situation, everything else is negated?
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>>101445973
>She might be right about that.
She's not right about that at all. There's no indication that Madoka is actually suffering as a goddess. She gets to hang out with all the magical girls from across time.
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>>101445808
Because in Homura eyes, her sacrifice was a mistake, something that should never happen, Homura just had to take care of everything and everything would have been fine eventually, that's what Homura think and the movie just proves that this is the case.
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>>101445932
They both did what they thought was best for someone else (on in Madoka's case, many people). They forcefully inflict their helping hand on their subjects regardless of whether or not it's wanted.
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>>101445740
It was necessary anon, who else in the whole series would have the heart to sacrifice their existence and accept that sacrifice happily for the sake of all Magical Girls?

Certainly not Homura or the other girls for that matter.

She has the heart of a martyr, that shouldn't be looked down upon and the series shows the benefits she brought to the world through that saintliness.
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>>101445868
She didn't though. She's moving forward with her life and trying to create a world where Madoka can be happy. Yet she's still treated like a demon? Show some respect.
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>>101445990
>She didn't destroy the LoC, she doesn't destroy the world, witches are not back, Madoka's sacrifice is not in vain.

That's not the point, the point was that she gambled the world for Madoka and happened to hit the jackpot being allowed to keep Madoka's wish and Madoka herself. That doesn't change the fact that she risked the entire world going back to the hell that was the witch system or worse.
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>>101446032
That's what I believe but that not how Rebellion presents things to you.
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>>101446081
I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing. She intentionally left most of the Law of Cycles intact.
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>>101446032
Replace "all magical girls" with "Madoka" and we have a candidate.
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>Certainly not Homura or the other girls for that matter.

Woah woah, let's not make rush statements here, there are plenty of martyrs
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>>101445868
>So would you justify Homura's actions if what she did completely destroyed the LoC?
Yes. Even if she fucked up, she still was just doing what any good friend would do.
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>>101446089
Rebellion does not attempt to present Madoka's sacrifice as worthless. I'm not sure why you think it does.
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>>101446032
>the series shows the benefits she brought to the world through that saintliness
Which are exactly none. World is suffering anyway, Madoka is a some sort of bedtime story for magical girls, which doesn't affect their life.
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>>101446012
But look at the difference. It can almost be objectively stated that Madoka saw the horrors of the witch system and understood it needed to be changed. Granted considering her human ignorance she could have created a worse system; I'll give you that.

What did Homura use to justify her actions, considering Madoka had repeatedly told her that she was happy with this decision during the Space Hug? The flower scene which just said the obvious fact that Madoka loves her friends and family and one ignorant of worldwide Magical Girl suffering wouldn't abandon them.
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>>101446081
>she gambled the world for Madoka and happened to hit the jackpot being allowed to keep Madoka's wish and Madoka herself.
This is the first time I've heard this. Elaborate?
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>>101446089
Oh I get it, you were being sarcastic; it kind of seemed that way. Are you the guy who's still upset about Rebellion ruining the series ending for you? But at least you had the manga ending, until Hanokage ruined that too? Being anon is suffering.
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>>101446108
So you're saying the moment she tore Madoka out; before attaining god-like powers Homura knew that she could preserve the LoC while still taking Madoka out?

I call bullshit, it was a gamble and she got to keep Madoka's universe intact.
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>>101446131
That's why Homura made sure to keep magical girls saved?
The point of flower field scene is that Madoka doesn't want to become a god if world is good enough already. In the end, she is forced into it by circumstances.
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>>101446187
Then elaborate how Homura somehow had the foresight to know that she could take out Madoka and not destroy the LoC?
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>>101446131
The flower scene was all the justification Homura needed. The justification that Madoka needed was observing the Magical Girl system. How does Homura know if this is what Madoka truly wants (does she even care?)? How does Madoka know if this is what every Magical Girl truly wants (does she even care?) What if there were other girls like Homura who wanted to become a witch so that she could destroy the world she hates so much? Just a thought.
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>>101446108
How could she possibly know what would happen when she grabbed onto Madokami and gave her a good yank?

>>101446131
Homura was still operating under the promise she made to Madoka in timeline 3. She probably relives that scene in her nightmares every single night. She thought what happened to Madoka was worse than death and that she got tricked by Kyubey again worse than ever before.
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>Life gives Kyouko lemons, she makes lemonade
>Life gives other megucas lemons, they throw them on the ground and rewrite the universe so that they can have the fruit they want
Are other girls even trying? Don't waste food.
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>>101446148
Do we have any evidence that when Homura pulled Madoka out of her divinity she could do it without destroying the Law of Cycles? Logically no, there is nothing Homura saw or did that showed her that it was safe to pull the human aspect of Madoka out of the LoC. She risked Madoka's entire wish simply for the opportunity to bring Madoka back down to earth.
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>>101446242
>What if there were other girls like Homura who wanted to become a witch so that she could destroy the world she hates so much?
Homura never wanted that, retard.
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>>101446187
Rebellion paints Homura as evil at the end. But that's not really a point against her, she could be antagonising the other megucas just to put on a face - Homura is well known to behave like that.

But what's troubling is that she foretells Madoka and Sayaka becoming enemies with her at the end of the world. Surely if her new system is good or even stable, It will stay so in perpetuity?
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>>101446230
By splitting her from the LoC, just like she did.
Again, the LoC itself isn't even aware or able to be perceived. It's just a concept. Humanity isn't necessary for a physical law.
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>>101446279
Rewatch episode 10. She clearly states that she wants to destroy the world.
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>>101446242
>What if there were other girls like Homura who wanted to become a witch so that she could destroy the world she hates so much? Just a thought.

Then Madoka is thinking beyond simply Magical Girls and concerning herself with the well being of all of humanity. She'll put humanity before girls who let their grief control them into desiring to do harm to others.
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>>101446279
>let's become monsters and destroy this awful world together
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>>101446230
If she was going to get godlike powers, she could save magical girls anyway.
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>>101446311
Either way, she's possibly disregarding the desires of people because she thinks she knows what is best.
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>>101445868

>Homura
>selfish

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. She is not selfish. She just has a different point of view. She constantly acts against her best interests for Madoka. She is suffering more now then before because she knows she is lying to Madoka all the time now and can't get any real joy out of this existence. So yeah not really selfish she just thinks that Madoka will be happier this way. And as long as Madoka's wish is maintained Homura is only being evil by Mindraping Madoka and Sayaka.

>you'd still cheer "Homura was right!"?

I would not personally. But Homura never would. Betraying Madoka by lying to her about the truth is not the same as stomping on her dreams.

In fact the whole reason she went Akuma was to protect Madoka's wish. She had a problem that needed to be taken care of that is all her fault: the incubators know about Madoka and want to bring back witches. If she went with Madoka the Incubators could try again. Madoka won this time but she only needs to lose once to lose everything. Homura needed to stop that if she could and she did. And she ended up hurting herself more for Madoka and becoming the bad guy for the one she loves.
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>>101446307
She just was conforming to a situation she knows she has no choice, just like the end of the series, that doesn't mean those are her true desires.

And the point of that scene is to show that Homura
just wants to be with Madoka no matter what.
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>>101446277
True. I rather think it was an educated risk rather than a reckless gamble. Since she observed the law and noticed that Madoka seems to have tangible form and Magical Girls that talk about her as if she is an overseer rather than a controller.
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>>101446284
Homura herself didn't take having her memories erased well. It's logical of her to believe that Sayaka and Madoka won't like that too.
And she herself knows that her system might be wrong, but believes that everything will turn out better somehow.
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>>101446307
>tries to find even the faintest silver lining in the abject despair of becoming a witch
What an awful person Moemura was, I agree
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>>101446358
>You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You're the one who doesn't know what that means, Homura is selfish and selflessness at the same time.
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>>101446358
Selfish in the sense of putting someone you personally know ahead of strangers. Obviously we all do this, but not to the extent of preserving our own loved ones at the risk of say a roll of chance determining if all of humanity died. Or hell maybe we would put our own loved ones ahead of the whole of humanity, I've never been in that position so I can't say if I'd choose humanity over someone I'm close too personally.
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>>101446378
>She just was conforming to a situation she knows she has no choice,
There's no need for her to say that she wants to destroy it if she doesn't want to. She expresses great disdain followed by the claim that she wants to destroy everything. You act as if she was forced to express those thoughts in a way similar to how she was forced to accept Madoka's wish. If all she wanted was to just be with Madoka, she'd just lie there and accept it.
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>>101446358
>>101446478
Oh god, it's like early November all over again.
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>>101446454
>we'll kill everything together Madoka, because it's all bad right? Even those innocent people who don't know anything about this.

I'm sure Madoka was comforted at the thought of killing her parents and little brother as a giant monster.
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>>101446478
The distinction tends to mean very little, it only serves to discredit any potential good that might have been achieved.
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>>101446358
>the incubators know about Madoka and want to bring back witches
Because she told them.

>If she went with Madoka the Incubators could try again
She was the only one in the universe who knew Madoka and could pull her into their barrier.

My theory is that she baited the incubators into it. She was never completely satisfied with Madoka's ending, but couldn't do anything about it. She was just a regular meguca, couldn't rewind time, and couldn't make another wish. She tells Kyubey about the old witch system, and she's like "of course, that's the kind of creatures you are" as if she's pretty confident in her plan. Then she intentionally becomes a witch, gets witch amnesia, and everything gets fucky until she remembers her plan and goes full devil.
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>>101446520
>There's no need for her to say that she wants to destroy it if she doesn't want to.
She is selling the idea to Madoka and Madoka said "nope".
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>>101446391
She didn't pull out Madoka herself. Madoka changed and became LoC, something greater than a person. Homura stole records of human Madoka, before she became LoC. It doesn't mean LoC lost her humanity or something.
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>>101446533
She was like "i dont wanna be a witch" after using that grief seed on Homura.

I'll have to block out that scene again, it was too heartbreaking.
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>>101446533
But Madoka was smiling, that means she wanted to kill them.
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>>101446548

>because she told them.

Hence the preface all her fault

>She was the only one in the universe who knew Madoka and could pull her into their barrier.

Mami and Kyouko know her now as well. All they had to do was explain that the girl Madoka in Homura's barrier is the LoC. Then they could chain it by introducing more magical girls to them like a plague.
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>>101446533
>"Homura, I could never hurt anyone who's precious to me. Except you. But it's fine if I hurt you over and over again in every timeline, because you can take it, right? Be a pal."
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>>101446562
That's not substantial in comparison to evidence to the contrary. Multiple times she states that the world is a terrible place. On the death bed, people say things they really mean, and on Homura's she says she wants to destroy everything. I'm taking her word for it.
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>>101446577
>I'm sure you don't lose your humanity if I steal all the memories that make you human
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>>101446562
Why would she try to sell and idea to Madoka that she knows Madoka would object to?
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>>101446548
I think she got that plan going when she found out about magic in ep10. Look how quickly she stops crying when QB asks her to make a wish. Her wish is also well thought-out, to increase the karma feedback. This can only mean she wanted to become a devill all along.
Why would she want that? Because she is a bullied child, so she wants revenge. Her plan is to destroy the universe, as she says to Sayaka.
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>>101446704
Because she don't want to be separated from Madoka?
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>>101446739
What does talking about how shitty the world is followed by stating that she wants to destroy it have to do with wanting to be with Madoka?
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>>101446711
>this is what Homufags believe
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What's with all this Homura blame? She has every right to be selfish.

>Everyone has a right to pursue a happy life. The difficult part is to be given that right.
>Everyone has a right to pursue a happy life. The difficult part is to fulfill that right.
>I too have a right to pursue a happy life. The difficult part is to work out a compromise for that right.
>-Frederica Bernkastel
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>>101446670
I disagree that Madokami still has humanity, but I will argue for his side.

If a person gets total amnesia does that make them no longer human?

But like I said, I think Madokami lost the aspect to see things from a human perspective and without human Madoka and her memories is just what Mami described, a concept that does the job it's programmed to do, no more no less. Which also makes me suspect that Yuri Valhalla no longer exists as a heaven; after all why would a god without humanity care that souls retained individualism?
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>>101446780
>this is what Sayakafags believe
Ftfy
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>>101446781
Only underages and retards hate Homura for what she did.
>stop forcing things on people!
Just kids.
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>>101446780

Nope. I am a Homufag. Homufags don't think she is an evil conniving bitch.

>>101446817

A Sayakafag saying that about Homura is more reasonable.
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>>101446711
I wish I could believe that, but you made me smile.

>>101446844
I'd still love her even if she was full evil
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>>101446795
>after all why would a god without humanity save the fate of souls at all?
FTFY
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>>101446867

>I'd still love her even if she was full evil

Then you would not love her but instead bizzaro Homura who is a different person.
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>>101446670
When are you going to get over your petty contempt for Rebellion? You have my condolences, but seeing you trying to discredit Homura's right to a happy ending is getting tiresome.
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>>101446918
But she wasn't happy at the end of Rebellion, was she?
For all her power, she could make everyone else happy, but not herself.
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>>101446918

>Homura's right to a happy ending

Call me when she gets one. Cause right now she is not happy.
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>>101446869
Because its not a god now, its a concept. Gravity doesn't work for our benefit it just exists. The concept of the Law of Cycles is to destroy witches before they're born, without Madoka why would it care about the Magical Girl as an individual? For all we know, now Madokami obliterates their soul along with the witch, or absorbs it into herself without allowing it to retain its own individualism.
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>>101446906
Most Homufags don't care about Homura as a person and just see her as fap material, anon.
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>>101446832
But everything Madoka forces on Homura is fine, right?
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>>101446966

And that makes them subhuman scum.
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>>101446966
Wow way too lewd.
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>>101446959
>not happy
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>>101446966
>>101446844
>i am the homufag ambassador!
Speak for yourselves you miserable faggots.
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>>101446962
>now Madokami obliterates their soul along with the witch
This is most likely the case, and I'm agreeing with what you says here, anon.
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>>101446959
She's working toward it. It's the Will to Power. Happiness comes at a result from overcoming one's obstacles.
>"Why is mom working so hard for a company that she never dreamed of working with?"
>"Hmmm... Mom doesnt like working, she likes working hard. There are a lot of things that she doesn't like about it, but she likes the feeling of satisfaction she gets when she overcomes those obstacles, those achivements are precious to her. It doesn't mean that she dreamed to work for that company. But Mom is living her ideal life, and some dreams come true this way."
>"So you make how you live into your dream?"
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>>101447020
You Homufags are splintered like the filthy heretics you all are.
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>>101446966
No fuck you, your'e not me.
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>>101447069
How did Madoka's personality get molded from such a Nietzsche lover like Junko?
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>>101447071
At least Homufags aren't goofy looking bitches like goofy looking bitch.
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>>101447071
Watch your mouth you dirty little justice slut.
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>>101447069
>It's the Will to Power. Happiness comes at a result from overcoming one's obstacles.
Don't know why you keep forcing this shit, that's not Homura happiness, her happiness is only next to Madoka.
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>>101447071
We're just not sheep or a wannabe hivemind like most of you other faggots.
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>>101446966
Go ahead anon. Be petty, spiteful, close-minded, and vindictive. But whenever you're ready to actually enjoy the series, come join me over here.
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>>101447134
>>101447137
You seem upset
Transfer student
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>>101447132
It's Homura who did.
>>101447146
She never wished for such happiness. She explicitly says so in the movie. Stop forcing your fan fiction.
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>>101447132
Junko was Homura's secret partner in the Madokami time line, as well as her inspiration for organizing the Rebellion and bringing Madoka back.
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>>101447146
I think Homura would die happy if Madoka was happy and safe. Her desire to be with Madoka could never be meet and she'd be okay.
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>>101447151
Better a sheep of the beloved shepherd, than a goat lost, vindictive, and destined for the flames.
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>>101447146
>her happiness is only next to Madoka
She doesn't even apply that, she believes she's not worth it.What are you saying anon.
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>>101447146
Then why didn't she let Madokami take her and be with her forever?

She wanted to be next to Madoka, but she's put too much in to fighting for it to just stop.

>>101447171
No justice allowed, only rape.
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>>101447245
Homura is the one controlling the flames.
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>>101447227
See the problem is that now

a. She can't die any more as a god
b. She can't be with Madoka again, at least not in the innocent ways of timeline 1

Now, even when she's hold her in her arms there's a wall between them. Madoka is a human and she's a god. Things will never go back to the way it was.

That's why Madoka was brading her hair in the lily field and Homura let it fall down again.
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>>101447227
No, she wouldn't. Pic related.
Also, does "I won't ever let go of you again." sound familiar?
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>>101447245
Can't wait for Sayaka to defeat Homura with friendship.
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>>101447297
Madoka just needs a wake up call and the illusion of power comes crashing down for Homuslut.
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>>101447337
Pic related doesn't really help your point at all. Homura wants to be with Madoka, but she doesn't hold that in high regard at all. Her goal - as she states - is to create a world where Madoka can be happy. That is her wish. It has nothing to do with being with Madoka.
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>>101447342
She'll keep her power, but it's not the power she wants. It's the Madoka.
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>>101447245
Gott is tot. We only put value into sacrifice because aristocrats don't want to risk their own skin so they manipulate the lower class into thinking that dying is worth it for a 'noble endeavor'.
Fuck that noise. Best girls know what's up.
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>>101447341
>i hope the next installment is as insipid and generic as it possibly can be
Why?
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>>101447342
>illusion of power
How silly
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>>101447399
You said Homura would die happy for Madoka's sake. This is your idea of happiness?
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>>101447493
You're ducking the contentions made in the post you're replying to.
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>>101447462
Urobuchi said that Sayaka is the only one who can counter Homura.

Deal with it.
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>>101447564
Does that mean she will? Does that mean it has to be some shonen friendship garbage? Does that means you have to keep shitposting?
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>>101447564
Still it probably won't be friendship that save them. Most likely Sayaka will be killed to preserve the dream Homura wants to create and that will cause Madoka to return to Madokami.
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>>101447564
Well aside from Madoka, only Nagisa and Sayaka have unusual powers from the old universe. In fact it's very easy to write the story so that since Godoka shared her memory with the two of them, they've gained a measure of divinity similar to how Homura did.

Plus it's Sayaka, to stubborn to accept help, too stubborn to see other's point of view, too stubborn to stay dead and now too stubborn to forget.
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>>101447564
We all know what's going to happen to Sayaka the moment she tries.
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>>101447648
Everyones a fucking god now.
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>>101447546
Because the contentions are a red herring, dear anon.

In the anime, we see Homura alone, without Madoka. In the manga, we see Homura's happy life with Madoka ended as Homura gets shot in the face.

The entire point you're missing is that Homura didn't wish for happiness. She wished for Madoka's happiness. But as we see by taking a look into Homulilly's psyche, Homura isn't at all happy with dying for Madoka, she's only doing it because she thinks it's necessary.
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>>101447680
Threatening Sayaka? Where have we seen that before? Did it work last time?
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>>101447702
You're issue is that you think everyone's a samefag, anon. >>101447399 says nothing about her happiness.
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>>101447685
No just Sayaka, Nagisa, Madoka, and Homura.

All the Magical Girls who were in Yuri Valhalla at the time probably were probably all obliterated by a Madokami without humanity. Hopefully Madoka returning can undo that awful fate.
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>>101447648
>too stubborn to forget
Merely believing one of your classmates is a devil isn't a whole lot to go on.

>Madoka: "you're being weird, sayaka-chan. Homura-chan is nice"
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>>101447741
Who said anything about threats?
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>>101447741
No, anal rape.

How did you get threatening from that picture?
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>>101447788
>Madoka: "you're being weird, sayaka-chan. Homura-chan is nice"

That moment when Madoka stops being friends with Sayaka because she won't be nice to Homura will be heart breaking. And Homura will just smugly smile when Madoka's back is turned like a huge bitch.
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>>101447813
Why does it have to be anal rape? She has a far better rape hole.
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>>101447843
Poor Sayaka, she can't manipulate and control Madoka against Homura, how terrible.
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The cool thing is Homura can't actually kill Sayaka. What with her close relationship to Madoka that would probably destabilise the whole "perfect world" thing.

I've said this before, Sayaka could kill herself and Homura will be forced to undo it. Bodily threats is useless, if Homura want to pressure Sayaka she will have to use more creative means.
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>>101447743
Homura's happiness is the point I was addressing. Someone replied to me making a completely different point. It wasn't what I was talking about, so I ignored.
Pretty simple, right?
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>>101447843
It isn't very Madoka-like to give up on your friends.

>Kyubey somehow escapes Homura's control
>he finds Madoka and offers her a wish
>"I want Sayaka-chan and Homura-chan to get along!"
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>>101447923
She could always try the worldly approach by forcefully breaking up Hitomi and Kyosuke and pairing him with Sayaka.
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>>101447399
But that's fucking wrong.
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>>101447995
What part of it is wrong?
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>>101447895
>manipulate and control

You mean voice an opinion? It's not Sayaka's fault that Homura had shit social skills and no way to prove the fact that Kyubey lied to them.
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>>101447743
>you're
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>>101447866
Homura wants to give her technical virginity(vaginaXpenis) to Madoka.

Sayaka is just her lifelike onahole. Her asshole doesn't count.
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>>101448033
>implying autism isn't all Sayaka's fault
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>Everyones a fucking god now

If Rebellion taught me anything it's the fact that you can become a god by crushing your soul gem / kill your own witch in flashy ways.

And Sayaka (and Nagisa) happen to be someone who can switch between human and witch forms.
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>>101448032
The "doesn't hold that in high regard at all" part. It's like you're conveniently ignoring the part where she's prepared to die alone and unhappy until Madoka tells her not to give up. Then Homura says, "No matter what my sin, no matter what form I'm reduced to, it's alright -as long as I'm with you-."
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>>101447947
>QB escapes from Homura
>"Help me, Madoka! Remember your true power!"
>"Yes, I remember... How you tricked and abused my friends"
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>>101448049
Now that's just mean. I like HomuSaya rape, but Sayaka deserves a little more credit than that.

>>101448183
>tfw Madoka's naive innocent side takes over and she helps the cute little kyubey just like in episode 1
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>>101448033
I'm sure she can still voice opinions, she just can't play Madoka against Homura with only her opinion.

Not sure why you think I'm blaming Sayaka for anything.
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>>101448145
But they never accepted their own despair. Instead, their witches spread curses.
Homura did it all for the sake of her wish. Even becoming a witch. She used her own despair to accomplish her goals. That's what sets her apart.
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>>101447947
Yes, because it makes sense for someone who is already a magical girl to become a double magical girl, right anon?
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>>101448163
>The "doesn't hold that in high regard at all" part.
You're right, that's inaccurate. It would be more accurate to say she doesn't hold it in as high regard as she does her promise to Madoka. They are on different levels.
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>>101448270
They accepted their despair after being taken by the law of cycles. Homura did it on her own because she's best meguca.

>>101448309
Like it also makes sense for 3 witches and a buttload of familiars to exist in a universe where those things are impossible? Homura's universe is open to crazy things.
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>>101448311
Exactly. This is why Homura says, "not just yet." She's not going to be satisfied with one or the other. She's going to have her cake and eat it too. Higurashi anon has the right idea--Homura is aiming for a Matsuribayashi end. Everyone survives, no casualties or sadness.
>I'm gonna become much much more happy from now on.
>I'm not gonna compromise with just this. We are gonna take back all of our happiness that we lost.
>For me, that's about a hundred year's worth. For you, a thousand year's worth.
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>>101448270
>But they never accepted their own despair. Instead, their witches spread curses.

I think after Yuri Heaven it's different now. That's why Sayaka feels completely different in Rebellion - she's actually at peace with herself now. Remember after rescuing Homura from Mami Sayaka was going all Oktavia on Homu, and when Homu asked "Who are you?" Sayaka said something like

"I'm kind of insulted, I am nothing but Miki Sayaka."

She's come to accept Oktavia and all the flaws associated with that as part of her.
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>>101448425
Well, one thing's for sure--Homura is just like Frederica Bernkastel.

But which one? Higurashi, or Umineko?
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>"I'm kind of insulted, I am nothing but Miki Sayaka."
What? She says "Exactly who you think I am" and flashes Octavia.
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>>101448425
>She's going to have her cake and eat it too.
I hope she attains that level of success. I really do.
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>>101448481
It's similar, but different. I guess to summarize my feelings, I'd call the LoC girls archangels, while Homura is a fallen angel. Sayaka and Nagisa control their inner desires, while Homura lets hers guide her.
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>>101448664
Who the hell do you think you're talking about? Of course she will.
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>>101448718
I'd say Homu being a fallen angel isn't entirely accurate. She's the opposite of a god: a devil.

>>101448749
>homu without suffering
I don't know if I can believe.
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Seriously though, as much as I like to see Sayaka struggle against Homura and knock some sense into her at the end, I don't want to see this series into a powerlevel thing.
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>>101448749
I wish I could have that much faith in Homura. I feel like Sayaka is going to try and ruin everything. Maybe give Madoka a chance to reascend. Hopefully, Homura ends her with haste.
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>>101448791
She hasn't worked so hard and for so long for some half-assed bittersweet end. Be prepared to eat your words, haters. Akemi Homura is gonna be happy.
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>>101448894
Hail Homura.
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>>101448894
I truly hope so, anon. She took an unexpected turn with the devil thing, so maybe she has a few more tricks.

>>101448930
Akuma Homura has prettiest eyes.
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>>101448864
Cheer her on, anon. If we believe, maybe a miracle will happen. It's what I did for two years, it felt like Rebellion was the answer to those prayers.
But it's not over yet. We can't be content with a half-eaten night. Keep praying.
Go on, Homura. You can do it.
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>>101448996
Between AI YO eyes and Christmas Cake eyes, I don't know if I can pick. I defer to Nakazawa here. What do you think? Either way is fine? Yeah, that's a good choice.
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Anyone has youtube links or screencaps to the Bakemonogatari cast asking you to turn your mobile phones off before the Madoka R movie starts?
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>>101449013
Your post is inspiring, anon. I'll definitely keep cheering her on and hoping for the best. Homura deserves nothing less.
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>>101448791
It probably won't be without potential suffering, just a much stronger bias towards love(desires?), or hope, or something like that. Unlike the previous worlds where everything had to be "balanced".

Maybe Madoka can help her too in some way, since she strongly desires to help those who she understands only she can help.


>>101448797
I don't think it will be a power level thing. Urobuchi mentioned Sayaka is the only one with the "intuition" needed to see something wrong with the world.

So she might play a "lone hero" role as Homura did in the anime. Hopefully it doesn't go in the direction of "Homura is the problem and the only problem, you must defeat her". Maybe more of a mystery approach to figuring out some weird happenings with Homura's new world that no one else can see, which could tie back to Homura/Madoka/others.
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Homurafags are really delusional.
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>>101449484
If someone says it's wrong to have hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every time.
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>Maybe more of a mystery approach to figuring out some weird happenings with Homura's new world that no one else can see, which could tie back to Homura/Madoka/others.

I hope so, I've always felt that Madoka had a bit of an Inception vibe.

>Nagisa "Why does she keep fighting against us like that?"
>Homura "An idea is like a virus, resilient, highly contagious. The smallest seed of an idea can grow. It can grow to define you, or destroy you."
>Sayaka lifts herself off a pool of blood and raises her head.
>"The smallest idea, such as: your world is not real. Simple little thought that changes everything."



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