FUCK YOU OREIMO AND FUCK YOU SOME MORE!
best girl won, what's the problem?
Why were you even watching MY LITTLE SISTER CAN'T BE THIS CUTE while rooting for another girl?
Did you seriously think someone other than Kirino would win?
OP are you mad cuz of your picture, or what happened directly after your picture?
>Anti-incest and Anti-Kirino fags still mad
Best girl won
tl;dr OP is a retard
Please make up your own argument.
This is actually a very good question
I will argue for a Kirino end being the most logical.
That argument is generally levelled against people who have consistently failed to understand deeper arguments.
Usually I would suggest reading the light novels. There is a lot of subtext right from the start and Kirino and Kyousuke's relationship clearly progresses.
If you don't want to read them, watch the anime and note the symbolism. Kyousuke is Green Kirino is Pink.
In addition to which the hints about Kyousuke and Kirino's past dropped from the start mean that the ending must revolve around Kirino. Even were another girl to win it would be Kirino's show. But given that Kirino has become a brocon due to Manami's interference, what needed to be resolved was Kirino's love.
Kyousuke decided to resolve that by loving Kirino. Kirnio still rejected the idea when he confessed to her, until he gradually broke down the barriers holding her back and told her that he didn't want anyone else, what society thought didn't mean anything to him and that it was fine for them to actually date.
Thus because of Kyousuke's choice due to having fallen for Kirino somewhere in the course of everything they did together throughout the series, it's an end that sees Kyousuke and Kirino together.
Let's go away from the "this is canon" arguments.
>Even were another girl to win it would be Kirino's show.
Why? It's still the story of Kyousuke and Kirino regardless of an absence of a romantic plot between them.
>Kyousuke decided to resolve that by loving Kirino.
WHY? Is this decision someone logical would take?
>feeding off the sadness of your peers
That's what the "fake Kirinofags" engage in every time an Oreimo thread shows up.
Good work. I'm just waiting for him to pull out the "but they broke up at the end" argument once he catches on.
I'm not that guy, but the questions you pose make it increasingly more clear that you aren't familiar with the series or don't understand it. I'm going to operate on the assumption that you're at least slightly open minded and willing to consider other points of view. The best answer I can give you is:
Read the LNs. Or at least read some of the threads where people have discussed them in depth. I could describe to you the exact developments and events that lead to Kirino and Kyousuke growing closer, but that would be a waste of your and my time when the story itself does a much better job. If you really do want to try and enjoy the series, if you actually care about the answers to the questions you're asking, the best thing for you to do is read the light novels. They're good. Read the thread that was linked a few posts ago. Pay attention to the "recurring themes" that people were talking about. They're important. This is the best I can do for you without working against the point of this discussion. Goodnight.
It should've been Kuroneko instead of Kyousuke
The light novels have narration that shows Kyousuke looking at his sister in that particular way. He realises that he did all the things he did for his sister because he was a siscon.
I honestly can't make a case for the anime because they messed it up. It looks like he just turned into a siscon come season 2.
I'm not arguing that Kyousuke is logical, but he has reasons for loving Kirino. Manami changed him, Kirino changed him back. She inspired him. See his speech about what he likes about Kirino in Episode 5 Season to for a glimpse of that.
>Why? It's still the story of Kyousuke and Kirino regardless of an absence of a romantic plot between them.
That's what Oreimo was about. The story, themes, characters, are built around it. It's not so much "This is canon" but more like "This is what it has always been about".
>WHY? Is this decision someone logical would take?
Maybe? It's not like two siblings that love each other like them or just incest in general doesn't exist in reality. But this is fiction so I don't think it matters to be honest.
I can see where you're coming from.
That motherfucker, ghost bunri, Ruining everything
Your tears are delicious.
>[best/worst] girl won
But WHAT was won?
I'm going to support you by posting this:
"About that, actually we —!"
Kirino was about to say 'our agreement,' but I raised a hand to stop her. Because the fight between Kirino and Manami had come to an end.
Although I made an exaggerated comparison about this and a final battle, the truth was Manami was not a final boss. The last boss of this story, the enemy that we had to face had never showed itself.
I turned toward it, or them and said:
"I don't care!"
I said that.
"Alright, listen well — you are right, we were wrong. We knew that what we are doing is outrageous. Ethics, common sense, image. Eroge doesn't lack protagonists who would say that they are all so boring and discard them all. I feel that they are pretty cool, and I don't think they are a boring dream. All of them are important ways of thinking. I want to be a normal high schooler, want to continue living happily, thus I also think that there are many rules that have to be followed."
That's why common sense and reputation existed everywhere in this world.
Because all of them were correct. However —
"But I want to break them! Because I have something far more important!"
They seem to hold enough of a majority whenever a non-Kirinofag enters the building.
If two parties come into existence at the same time, could the larger group ever be considered the 'fake'?
We need to get Gilgamesh on this.
They won Kyouououououououousuke, a somewhat less interesting variant of Ryuuji.
I contend this series would have been better if there were no romance, and Kyousuke was Kyouko, the younger sister whom Kirino forces to cosplay for her.
Are you telling me that Nagi will win the Hayateb owl?
>Read the LNs. Or at least read some of the threads where people have discussed them in depth.
I wouldn't at this moment with this simmering rage in my head every time I'm reminded of the finale in the anime. I have also been thoroughly spoiled. If I could have a chance to just forget about everything Oreimo then I could have taken it.
>Kirino changed him back.
I wouldn't call that "changing him back". We can't deny that Manami still contributed to their development.
>"This is what it has always been about".
How about what could have been? Well, there's HappyenD, but I don't have the console to play that. And even so, Oreimo HD is not really as canon as the light novels.
>"But I want to break them! Because I have something far more important!"
I would have said "How about your motherfucking relationship as siblings?", but it was already useless at that point.
Oh yeah? That guy didn't even look at porn on his sister's laptop or get to feel her breasts pressing against his back while she wore a wedding dress behind him.
He also never turned down four girls in a row for a reason society would look down on him for.
>"How about your motherfucking relationship as siblings?"
I think that would've been incredibly ironic coming from Manami.
Kirino and Kyousuke hadn't had a proper relationship as siblings for a good while.
>simmering rage in my head every time I'm reminded of the finale in the anime
I hope you've read this. The anime really did a terrible job with everything. This should help you.
I felt the same thing because I finished before I started reading the LNs. But then I read them and understand the story much, much more and I understand the ending much, much more because it makes sense thematically and fit within the context of the series, and it wasn't what it looks like at all.
The son of a Yakuza and an escort who will marry a girl with rich parents? I don't know.
>How about what could have been? Well, there's HappyenD, but I don't have the console to play that. And even so, Oreimo HD is not really as canon as the light novels.
That would be fanfiction or just not Oreimo at all. Like the other anon said, go read the LNs to understand what I mean. The story was built around this ending.
I can't believe I'm doing this twice in the same day. You should really just read the pastebin and the LNs. I'm just going to post the same thing I did last thread with a picture.
That's not bad. But most people would be on his side.
Kyousuke has some wicked cunning. Like how he kidnapped a loli and forced her to cosplay. Or how he gradually won Ayase over with joking harassment.
>The story was built around this ending.
Or rather with this ending in mind all along. Hopefully you get what I mean.
Kanako was kidnapped? scrap that, Kanako was a loli?
>people not realizing this was the only logical ending
Gotta admit Kyousuke somehow got a lot of bitches wanting his D.
>His own sister
>Beautiful model that's also a daughter of a somewhat powerful politician
>Otaku with the body of a supermodel
>loli that's an aspiring idol and model
>Cute otaku girl
Pretty much. If you thought it was going to end any other way or with any other girl you were misinterpreting the series from the start. "What could have been" is basically saying "The series could have lived up to what I was expecting it to be about but didn't, and I don't like that" and I'm sorry but if you thought it was going to be different you had it coming. There is no one to blame but yourself for thinking that Oreimo is something that it isn't. It's about Kirino and Kyousuke. From the first paragraph to the last, that's always been the focus.
Ayase kidnapped her, I think that Anon misspoke. That chapter is much more entertaining in the light novels.
>The two girls entered into the car, leaving me as the only person outside.
>The door slammed shut… and I could hear voices coming from inside the car.
>“Alright Kanako~. Let’s take everything off, everything off~~!”
>Ayase strangely seemed to be having fun. In fact, I’ve yet to hear her sound so happy.
>“Hyah, don’t touch Kanako’s breasts~!”
>“Sooory, my hand slipped. Ah, it slipped again. Kyah, it slipped again! And again!”
>“U-Ugh! … Also, it’s really dark in here, so Kanako can’t even tell where you’re going to touch next… uhii!!”
>“Ahah, Kanako is tickliiiiish~~.”
>I wonder what’s going on in that car behind those tinted windows…
This is just one of the many, MANY great scenes cut from the anime.
>kyousuke protecting kirino from an earthquake
>akagi and kyousuke comparing imoutos
She has a loli body. Kanako's much harder to catch than Bridget too.
I don't know why people are mad she won, because from where I was watching it looked like she didn't.
And I was mad.
So, a less interesting version of nothing really. Okay.
If the prize was never worth winning in the first place, why all this ruckus over who won? It's like winning the Special Olympics.
Finally read it.
So Kirino's the one at fault for interpreting her admiration for Kyousuke as romantic feelings?
Oh Kirino definitely won. She had thought they were going to break up afterwards but the kiss and the specials confirm Kyousuke intends to continue it. He still loves Kirino. I'm betting she still loves him too.
That, or if it had Kuroneko as MC. She has sisters, right? You could still have your precious incest AND a MC that doesn't ruin the series.
>Oneself is at fault for falling in love with someone
You know what, this show was actually fucking worth something in Season 1. The moment the Yaoi girl was brought in it was ruined, nothing wrong with her as a character but we seriously did not need another girl.
OreImo 1 = Fun twists, amusing references, moves very quickly and super easy to watch
OreImo 2 = Bad teen drama, except for pic related.
Also best girl is Saori
So Kyousuke was already a siscon from even before the accident?
Seriously, I hated Manami and didn't really have much of a problem with Kirino but holy shit, look at Manami's posture - she's got her elbows tucked in Kung-Fu style, that punch had been practiced in front of a mirror for hours.
It should have ended with Season 1, with Kirino and Kyousuke becoming better siblings.
What? No, that's not what it meant at all. Where are you getting that from?
Also see >>101427355 and pic related.
The only thing central to the ending that involves Kirino being at fault is that she idealized Kyousuke unfairly, and comes to terms with the fact that she was thinking he should be some invincible superhero. This subplot was pretty much cut from the anime though so don't think too hard about it.
Really, everything will just make more sense if you read the light novels. They're really good. They aren't just confusing, there is tons of humor in them you will have missed in the anime and all characters get more time. You will like them. Just start reading them.
Also read the spoiler FAQ in this pastebin. Hop to it Anon. This is what you get for watching a butchered anime adaptation. The anime producers dropped the ball, so fans have to pick up the pieces or else anime viewers will stay confused, and it's not even their fault. I'm sorry.
Kirino was a major source of inspiration for him as a kid, because she'd always praise and support him.
He wasn't a siscon then, but a combination of him being deprived of her and her changing significantly seemed to have resulted in him turning into a siscon as they grew closer again after the cold war.
Nevermind all the people who hate incest, what's wrong with you!?
Sena's the best Fujoshi ever!
>What? No, that's not what it meant at all. Where are you getting that from?
Instead of keeping her admiration as simply admiration, she overextended that feeling into a form of obsession. And she could just support Kyousuke a hundred times more than Manami if she could instead of being distant to Kyousuke. That's what siblings are, right?
>Really, everything will just make more sense if you read the light novels. They're really good. They aren't just confusing, there is tons of humor in them you will have missed in the anime and all characters get more time. You will like them. Just start reading them.
I'll just end up with an even more dismal mood and possibly some broken computer parts. I'd rather not until I've forgotten the rage.
Kyousuke won't let it end like that.
>Instead of keeping her admiration as simply admiration, she overextended that feeling into a form of obsession. And she could just support Kyousuke a hundred times more than Manami if she could instead of being distant to Kyousuke. That's what siblings are, right?
Kirino kept a distance in part because she felt disgusted with herself because of what Manami had told her and because she hated what Kyousuke became. She couldn't support him because of a combination of both.
>So Kirino's the one at fault for interpreting her admiration for Kyousuke as romantic feelings?
We don't know what she interpreted them as, but we do know that Manami pushed onto her the idea that they were disgusting and abnormal.
I think it's implied that he was a siscon but not in the same way that he turns out to be in the end. You know, in a caring, overprotective way that's non sexual.
That obviously changes by the end of the story.
One of the better characters in Oreimo, because she is a meganekko.
It was a form of an obsession, Kirino's stubborn like that. It became that way because Manami told her to forget her feelings because they were disgusting, but instead decided to fixate on them. At the time her feelings were just an admiration that would've faded, but she promised herself she wouldn't forget them. Though because of what Manami said, she was too insecure with her feelings to support him in the same way she used to. She thought that if she let on too much Kyousuke would hate her.
There's an alternate timeline story where Manami doesn't meddle with things and Kirino and Kyousuke's relationship ends up normal.
This obsessive love isn't the same love she has for Kyousuke at the end of the series, though. For the cold war and a chunk of season 1 she held the love of her idealization, and that's why she was so impatient with him. As 'normal' Kyousuke did his best for her, she fell in love with him all over again, for who he actually is.
>but we do know that Manami pushed onto her the idea that they were disgusting and abnormal.
Manami was right. It's strange. It's not normal. It's not average.
>Instead of keeping her admiration as simply admiration, she overextended that feeling into a form of obsession
To a degree, yes. But I don't think that her romantic feelings are so essentially linked to her obsession. Those are two very different things. She is never able to give up her love but in the end she is willing to forget her obsession.
It was normal and healthy until she fucked with it.
I'm really glad this comic exists to help rectify the anime's shit ending.
>My Raven Haired Sister can't be this cute
That made me cry. They even meet Kuroneko and Saori, but they don't become friends.
Nothing happens! You can't have Oreimo with Kirino.
>best Fujoshi ever!
I thought Sena was fun, but come on.
Oh sorry, I forgot about the girl off Robotics;Notes. That's who you meant right? Well Sena's still a good second.
You mean 'without' right?
In which we return to Kirino being the one who made this story possible. Manami just worsened it, but I doubt that she would do anything if Kirino was capable of keeping her admiration in check.
By the way, I remember someone saying that the series is actually a harem centered around Kirino, not Kyousuke. I think I can see it, considering a lot of the girls were more interested in Kirino than Kyousuke.
>Inb4 someone jumps on that and quotes me.
Alternate Kirno is nice... But she's not our Kirino.
Have you guys missed me?
Kirino is a shit-tier character even without the incest.
>full fantard for a generic shitty Mahou Shojou series
If she was a tripfag on /a/, everyone would fucking hate her.
Oreimo without Kirino similar to Garfield minus Garfield.
Kyousuke spazzing out over an imaginary little sister.
Well yeah, that was the point of that. To show that without Manami/Sakurai nothing "weird" would have happened and they would have lived completely "normal" lives.
Manami/Kirino/Kyousuke make it possible.
>Kyousuke for inspiring Kirino
>Manami for being a bitch
>Kirino for inspiring Kyousuke
>Kirino/Kyousuke for being stubborn as fuck
As for your harem comment, I think we discussed in the last thread.
>At the time her feelings were just an admiration that would've faded
This is up for debate, really. It's hard to pin down for sure whether or not her feelings were romantic from the beginning, because Kyousuke inspires her and is kind to her even before all this happens. But the way you are saying it is the most logical. I just mean, it's hard for me to accept any theory on Kirino or even Kyousuke's behavior because some of it is made unclear. There are conclusions you can reach logically but I don't think all of it is certain all the time, that's all. Love is a strange thing, and definitely not something easy to understand. I know for sure that both Kyousuke and Kirino acted in ways I don't entirely understand.
Kuroneko is a shit-tier character even without the chuuni.
>full fantard for a generic shitty DEEPshit series
If she was a tripfag on /a/, everyone would fucking hate her.
Ha ha, trying to impersonate me with that image.
The DVD Kyousuke cradles being phantom makes sense.
But the rabit hole starts getting deeper when mum kicks Kyousuke out for a little sister he doesn't have.
>If she was a tripfag on /a/, everyone would fucking hate her.
Everyone hates tripfags on /a/. Well, except for productive ones.
Ruri has her problems too, especially the fact that she's written like a tragic character who deserves no happiness of her own.
what the fuck is that?
I don't hate her, but you made me laugh anon.
>she's a total selfish bitch guys!
>kirinobros point out her endorsing kyousuke's relationship
>her subsequent support of him in his time of need
>her helping kyousuke make up with manami
>her helping kyousuke make up with sakurai
>her being kind to kyousuke and treating his wounds from ayase even though she is upset he is dating kuroneko
Kuronekofags are so desperate, it's pathetic.
I read, and liked the first novel, but wanted to know when this relationship really starts to be a relationship. Can someone tell me?
And Is this really the greatest love story ever told? Will it warm my heart with sweetness?
There are people ON /a/ RIGHT NOW who don't automatically hate tripfags on sight.
Those who don't love both Kirino and Kuroneko are my enemies. They're both great and deserve equal love.
Maybe not equal, but close.
All of the girls in Oreimo are shit for associating themselves with Kyousuke.
I suggest you leave it alone. Nothing good will come from touching something tainted by a trip.
The mere word "dutch" is infamous.
Kyousuke is best girl.
Yes, but with each other.
Never really did see the point of Kyousuke.
I could use a folder for the two of them. Post more pics that has Kuroneko and Kirino (preferably newer ones around S2 time or later) please.
Bitchrino a shit.
But Kuroneko belongs to Ayase.
They confess to each other in volume 2. They go to a love hotel by volume 3.
But seriously, it's a terrible sibling relationship at first that turns into incestuous relationship. So there's a lot of hate initially and then denial from both sides until they eventually find out that they love each other. You don't see him realize that he loves her until the end of volume 8 and it's the same for her. You'll get to see them go on dates and stuff all throughout the series but they won't be in a relationship until the end.
hang on why is the sister blond and blue eyes and the brother dark hair and dark eyes
is this like the whitest man in argentina thing, like the asianest girl in japan
Be patient. They have a lot to sort out in their relationship. Mending fences is not so easy as kiss and make up, not with the past they have. It's a great love story if you take the time to observe the motivations of the characters and the recurring themes of the series. Also most importantly, I wish someone told me this when I read it, but you can't always trust the narration. Kyousuke will often observe or think things, when in actuality the facts or his actual feelings are the exact opposite. Kyousuke is not honest with himself at all. Pay attention the the events and the character's action, and try not to get hung up on narration. This denial he has in himself will start to unravel as time goes on, and lots of hints are dropped early in the series, so it makes it rewarding to see Kyousuke's feelings grow as he accepts them.
That said, I cried at least 8 times while reading. There will be rough patches and there will be boring parts. Stick with it. Even with the scenes without Kirino, there is always a point to them.
They're not related.
>no larger version of this
>Kyousuke doll in official art
Trolls/Haters can samefag all they want, but they can't stop Kirino's love and cuteness.
Kyousuke is a high-level protagonist.
Deal with it.
>too much tsun, not enough dere
Even more embarrassing since you're probably anime-only cancer, who would ignore her dere side either way because a fictional character hurt your self-insert feelings.
That scene was fucking amazing at Otakon
They're both nice girls and very cute, but Kuroneko doesn't deserve happiness until she gets over her own chuunibyou/jakigan/denpa delusions. Moreover, she will be -unable- to. Kirino has enough development to show that she's changed significantly and gotten over a lot of her flaws by the end of the series. Kuroneko still has a ways to go. But of course that's okay because Oreimo isn't about Kuroneko.
>spoiling it for him
Why would you do this, you dick? Also you meant Volume 12, not 2.
Both Kirino and Kyousuke confess in volume 2.
I think there was an interview before Otakon for some American website where they ask the author
>Kirino or Kuroneko?
>I don't want to answer that cause it'll get me death threats
Good fucking call. Later in Japan, after the episodes were released, he finally admitted that Kirino was best girl.
Thanks anons, I appreciate the help.
I will probably start volume 2 tonight.
Thank you for spoiling that, I just realized what you meant. I hope you didn't spoil things for the Anon reading you asshole. That's not a complete confession though, since neither of them were being entirely serious with each other. If it could be counted as a confession of love then Volume 12 would be pointless. I understand what you mean though.
I don't blame him.
Saori da true best girl.
Both were their true feelings, though. It just took them a little while longer to accept/admit them.
That's what I thought. Kirino meant what she said for sure.
This is a reminder that Ruri Gokou is the the BEST in my little SisTEr can't Be this cute, and a miracle of the universe because she is a genius, loyal, unselfish, witty, brutally honest, funny, talented, a great sister and a great friend.
>Kuroneko doesn't deserve happiness until she gets over her own chuunibyou/jakigan/denpa delusions.
>implying that stopped Rikka from getting the Dark Flame Dragon
I thought it was far more obvious in Kyousuke's case than Kirino's. That fucking narration.
then why the furor about it being incest
That's what I said I know what you mean. I agree with you. But I think a confession implies that the confesser has accepted those feelings. I was just arguing over semantics really. I agree with you, it just feels like there might be a better word for it.
Yup. She definitely did, of course she plays it off as a joke. Kyousuke did too because of the hints in his inner dialogues but he of course won't accept it until Volume 8.
Pic very related.
Stop reminding me you stupid fuck.
They are related. Ignore that anon.
you're being trolled
Funny you mention that, I honestly considered adding a footnote in my post that the quickest way for her to find happiness is if she got sucked into the world of Chuu2.
>Kirino has different eye color and hair color from everyone else in the family
>And Who's holding the camera in the family picture?
You're a retard.
Shit taste, all of you
I think Sena's right. You have to hide your power level in front of most people. She was just lucky Makabe was already nerdy and came round to her fusjoshi tastes (Including her idea of gang rape. He must be weirder than her.).
What is everyone's favorite Oreimo doujin?
The only girl Ayase is better over is Manami.
This one obviously:
But I like how mature Kirino looks in Love Replica.
Ayase only liked Kyousuke because she wanted to learn how to be a good sibling for Kirino.
I meant lewd doujins
At last now i know what to advice to watch for newcommers except Boku no Pico.
This one was fucking lewd and cute as shit holy shit I don't know which penis was more erect the one in my pants or the one in my heart.
>not preferring vanilla doujins
Good gravy, this is a pure love story you know.
I'm not saying I don't prefer them, I just wanted to know what people thought of the lewd ones.
There are some really great ones like you posted though. I wish there were more.
Liking Ayase is good taste.
Disliking Kirino is not.
Haven't read this one. Do you remember it's name?
THIS IS THE MASS EFFECT 3 OF ANIME
GOOD TILL IT RAPES YOU IN THE BUTT WITH NO LUBE
I think they might be individual pictures by artists. I found the non-translated version on Danbooru
Ah thanks, appreciate it. I had thought that was a crop from a comic so I didn't bother searching, sorry.
I want to worship Ayase's butt.
What a slut
Ayase has the best interactions with Kyousuke, but that's just it.
Does anyone know the original image here that Kirino was shopped out of?
Sakurai > Kirino = Ayase
I am probably certain that she's in the bath.
Reminder that Kirino is the one who deserved to win the most
>Kanako being the most mature
I thought the day would never come. This must be why people like Kanako's route.
She was hardly interested in him in the first place.
It's not like it was nothing.
She even did it in front of all her fans.
Oh god she's so adorable
Wish she wasn't in this shit series.
Same with all the girls.
>Kyousuke is Green Kirino is Pink.
Holy fuck I never noticed this please explain more
No. She has the best butt and best boobs.
Wow, I seriously can't believe I never noticed any of this. I knew there was some sort of symbolism with the pillows and the phones but I never really bothered to look at it.
Are the pillows ever shown in a certain position that's significant?
Yellow poofball pajamas is best Kirino pajamas
Kyousuke is the green thing, Kirino is the Pink thing.
The first OP ever ends with this picture.
Have a picture of a cat pouncing on the green thing while Ruri and Kyousuke sit in the background. I wonder what it could mean?
>Are the pillows ever shown in a certain position that's significant?
Other than together, not really.
I guess you could say their persistent appearance in Kirino's room is analogous to Kirino always thinking about Kyousuke.
That's pretty obvious but still clever.
Gosh, you guys are deteriorating my hatred for the anime. This is too much.
Essentially there is a lot of symbolism implying the intertwining of green and pink which represent Kyousuke and Kirino.
In particular the OP of the anime ends with their symbols together.
I've always been bothered by how fucked up her legs look in this picture, jesus christ it's awful.
What color do you get when you mix green and pink?
Best girl won 43-8
Just checked, brown.
MANAMI A SHIT CONFIRMED
The second season was really rushed
But 1st season and the Light Novels
Kirino looks so pretty with her hair down. I wish we got to see her like this more often.
Of course, I'm sure Kyousuke gets to see her like this every morning.
Even better in the LNs.
>I'm sure Kyousuke gets to see her like this every morning.
>You will never get to see Kirino's face in the morning
>You will never be Kyousuke
I wish we got to see he final light novel haircut animated.
And now, a short poem.
In Nipland there was an anime of controversial subject
On /a/, they thought the fandom was quite suspect
So they turned their heads up, and proclaimed as they sneered...
Incest is weird
>Tsundere shitposter is also the incest is weird anon
I bet you're that Manami guy too.
Don't you have a little sister to put your penis in, anon?
Stop being so asinine.
Incest is fine.
I do... But we can never be. Also I'm a mess, I need to get /fit/
I'm not feeling any love from your poem, like you don't truly believe in it. Frankly it could use some more polish too.
I'm assuming you're the usual one who says incest is weird. Even consensus varies exact terminology.
I am actually every poster on these threads. It's just the two of us.
And I didn't even know it was just one guy making the 'incest is weird' posts. I thought several people were doing that. Is that just one guy?
I don't have a problem with it in fiction, anon.
It's just weird in real life, unless they are both goodlooking
>marriage between siblings
>HAS BEEN LEGALIZED
Stop it anon. I want to hold hands with my imouto so badly.
Quoth the demolitionist, "I'm drunk, you don't have an excuse".
Yeah, I wasn't particularly proud of that one. I just thought it was good enough. I didn't plan out the poem, I just wrote the words as they came to me over the course of twenty seconds, which isn't how literature should be written. I'll do better next time.
Even Season 1 was pretty rushed and a decent amount of small things got cut out which really detracted from the experience to me. There's just so many little things in the LNs that feel really significant, and even a few larger things got cut out, particularly the ending to the Ayase arc.
>“I… a-also love my aniki… maybe.”
But I agree, if they could have kept that going the adaptation would have been much better. But basically,
>Ep 1 - 5: Nearly perfect
>Ep 6 (Manami): Fairly good
>Ep 7: Not very good, too many changes, only highlight was the Christmas Eve date which was still quite butchered
>Ep 8: What a shitstain, I don't even need to explain why
>Ep 9: Almost as shitty. Whole episode is non-canon filler.
>Ep 10: Apart from a few small changes, very good. Good side character episode
>Ep 11: On par with the first 5 episodes. Maid scene was a little butchered but still retained the important stuff. Really good here.
>Ep 12 (canon end): Golden. Great episode, near perfectly adapted, seeing Akagi was great, and it stayed meaningful.
First 2 were good but even in the LNs weren't that amazing. Showed Sena and Kuroneko, small changes but still managed to make the reader and Kyousuke miss Kirino which was sort of the point.
The last one with the finale was pretty bad. The moments Kyousuke and Kirino share in her dormitory are incredibly meaningful and important, but 90% of that was cut. In the LNs it was night time and they slept in the same room all alone.
not really a love story, silly anon, get on my level
Way too cute for me.
Unless you're both good looking. if not, GTFO
This needs to be subbed like, right now.
Oh. No confirmation that they're the same poster. I think tsundere shitposter is puffing their cheeks out and sulking.
Manami guy is dutchguy though. He's not sticking to his trip so we can just assume it's always him where Manami is involved.
>Manami guy is dutchguy though.
Dutchguy's too autistic not to stand out. It's dead obvious when it's him.
This is a higher priority.
I'm more eager for the commentaries. At least I have that downloaded and it's got Japanese text if I really need to know what's being said.
No, my cheeks are puffy because I ate way too much food. It was Indian, and I love Indian food.
There's a difference.
It's like they left all the fun parts of the LN to the extras.
Ran-chin is second best girl
Can you stay with kirino in the vn?
Commentaries are going to be mostly or at least half comedic relief. This is much more important. The whole thing was written by Fushimi as practically an addendum to the ending to show what Kyousuke and Kirino's relationship is like, and his inner dialogues should be very important or at least very telling. I'm not saying I want it as relief to the shitty ending, I've read the LN, but it has a lot of dere moments for Kirino and the whole thing will show a lot about their relationship which I would love to see.
Kirino > Sakurai > Ran-chin > Rest
>Can you stay with kirino in the vn
Of course, just like how Kyousuke stays with her in the LN and the anime.
You have a good view of what's important anon.
Well, actually I don't get why people like Sakurai so much. But Ran-chin definitely deserved more time.
What, you thought I was being sarcastic? I'm not.
Are you one of those dense fuckers that think they break up at the end? My sides.
That's the extra though, not the VN.
She's crazy and fun.
I'm looking through the extras and they honestly look more fun than the anime was. It's like all the lighthearted fun stuff was stripped from the anime to fit in all the drama. Oreimo's not supposed to be as heavy as S2 made it.
On top of that the anime staff thought they'd try their hand at anime original again and we got that terrible episode where Ayase went Yandere.
I was sure we were promised all the important stuff would make it into audio dramas too. But maybe that was talking about the commentaries and the extra.
Hahaha, oh wow.
Scroll down and read the FAQ. Welcome to enlightenment. Also you should go read the LNs, like right after you finish reading this pastebin. This text dump has everything you need, so read through all of it.
There's a bunch of audio dramas packaged with the BDs too, but I haven't listened through and wouldn't really know what they were about from listening anyways.
The only thing I didn't like about episodes 1-6 is that any incest hints were taken away. It's annoying. 7-9 was shit. 10-11 mediocre. 12 (canon)-end were good but that's mostly one of the worst volumes in the LN.
Season 2 was absolute shit. It was only good on a per scene basis for very few of them. Every episode can be considered shit if evaluated as such.
Whenever I see posts like this I imagine a single anon standing in the middle of a room, shouting out something, then like 500 anons just dogpiling him.
sage for blogshit
To me it's closer to one anon on a pedestal while everyone tears each other apart trying to get at him.
I don't know about you, but I'm bummed. So much great shit got cut, and on top of that, Volume 11. I'm really, really happy with what we got from Volume 13 as it tells us things even the LN readers didn't know for sure and it was all written by Fushimi. However, 100% of Volume 11 is essential. The Sakurai stuff could have been adapted in 12 minutes of footage easily, a lot of it is humor and it's still really important. And the conversation between Manami and Kirino is super important to their character growth as well.
Really would have been amazing if the author had gotten to do his original 20 episode plan. Damn.
>It was only good on a per scene basis for very few of them. Every episode can be considered shit if evaluated as such.
So much this. If I rewatch S2 it would be only for a few scenes that were done decently. I don't think I can think of anything that was done really well in Season 2, it pretty much peaks at "good enough" for most of the season. The OVAs were pretty good. But that doesn't excuse it.
That episode was adapted from a drama CD and was written by the author. Problem with it is that it's supposed to be a fun extra. The anime staff was idiotic by wasting a full episode on it.
The author was in charge of the extras/commentaries and has been adding things the anime skipped mostly.
S2 was supposed to be a lot more heavy. Even in the novels it was like that. It was the moment when both of them didn't know how they should act, what they should want, or what they should expect from the other.
Speaking about volumes: 7, 8, 11 and 12 were fucking heavy. 10. 9 and 6 were close to them and I think 9 was the only volume that was on the light side.
Damn. And here we were saying commentary translation never when it's the audio dramas that are actually never getting translated.
But they still had all those diversions which the anime cut.
There would have still been that shift but anime-only viewers would have found it a lot less jarring if it was a proper adaptation of the novels.
Guys, if something terrible happens, and I don't survive the night, I want you all to know something.
Incest is weird
It still baffles me that they thought it was a good idea to adapt a S1 extra that was supposed to take place before Kirino left for America.
Any time Anon! I hope your heart can be at peace now. Pic related is the real, canonical ending.
We're all a little weird.
>anime skipped pic related
I don't know if it would have caused more or less anime fans to be Ayasefags. I like to think the latter.
Yep. It's not like they didn't have material either. They could have animated a modification of the Kanako/Ayase part and with that add more hinting about Kanako's eventual interest in Kyousuke.
I think they should have decided to cover the story and be consistent about it instead of covering filler, a bit of comedy and the story to have every otherfag happy.
They had already made a mess of S1 but they just decided to take that mess and make a disaster out of it with the way they handled it.
No relationship that isn't weird.
Problem with that is that we were short on episodes. I don't think it could have happened unless you give even more episodes to volume 10 or more to volume 12. Both options are terrible considering that you also have a very important backstory in volume 11 to cover.
Ayase should have been cut even more to be honest.
b-bb-but I like Ayase...
Her moments were actually some of the most amusing/sweet in the entire show. The problem of the lack of episodes is still there.
If you asked me whether to cut Ayase's part or cut Kuroneko's time dating Kyousuke, I'd have actually said the latter.
S2 would be a lot harder to get through without Ayase.
What's most inexcusable is that they refused to adapt canon scenes and events apparently due to time constraints, but still put in filler. Even worse, of what they did adapt, a sizeable amount of it was still filler-ish that could have been removed for more important things. Cutting out Kanako entirely from the apartment arc would have been a good step forward as she is the most nonessential. Really, they could have cut down that whole arc to about an episode and then end it right away in the first half of the next.
>Kyousuke kicked out
>Kirino gives him fridge
>Ayase and Kuroneko fight
>Kyousuke keeps studying
>Kirino settles to say that nobody will take care of him because she won't allow it
>This saves wasted time on Ayase
>Loosely adapt the stalker subplot with ayase
>Kyousuke runs off to take his test
>show Kyousuke and Kirino walking back together and the conversation they have about her future
>end with ayase's confession
Fuck me, why are they so incompetent? It's as if they wanted to cut out as much source material as possible instead of actually properly adapting it, cutting out what isn't totally needed.
Every fucking thread.
Kuroneko is a lot more important though, it leads to Kyousuke realizing his love for Kirino and Kirino showing how much she loves him. It's hands down one of the most important arcs of the series. There's no way you could cut it out. You can't let your like for a character cloud your judgement. That's what the anime staff did and it turned out horribly.
Yeah, but I'm only weird because I've emotionally attached myself to fictional characters in modern works that only exist in a language and culture that I don't know.
Now I'm sad, all of a sudden.
Well then the only solution is to call for MORE EPISODES!
S2 should've been 20+ episodes.
I meant reduce not cut. Though I'm not pretending I'm not biased, all that time spent dating Kuroneko seemed like fanservice for Kuroneko fans and didn't do anything for me.
You're an evil man for considering a cut to Kuroneko dating time. Episode 9 can't be compressed at all. In fact, it needed even more of an expansion. So we'd have Kuroneko and Kyousuke getting together (and everything that goes with it) and breaking up in one episode.
What's important is episode 9. You'd only need to show like 1 date plus breakup and maybe a quick flashbacks of Kirino/Manami for episode 7/8. They had already skipped part of the Destiny Record that was important, so It's not like they gave a fuck about the integrity of the story.
Yep, skip Hinata. Skip Kanako. And have a mass compression of the party with only Kirino/Ayase/Manami/Kuroneko present.
>All that time spent dating Kuroneko seemed like fanservice for Kuroneko fans
It pretty much was. They even cut the part where Kirino and Kyousuke sit on the couch and listen to voice actors for hours, and when Kirino puts their photobooth sticker on her phone and they fall over each other awkwardly.
That chapter was speckled with Kirino and Kyousuke but that stuff was cut to enhance Kuroneko shipperfaggotry.
A reminder that you're all just a bunch of societally-contrarian idiots.
But you can be idiots that are fun to talk to, sometimes.
She really should have. Even Fushimi said so himself, >>101431161
She's important but they shouldn't have spent so much time on her. It could have been condensed further while keeping the essential parts.
Do we know if Fushimi had rights to the anime? Could he have taken them and refused to let the adaptation be this way and only let them do it if they do it his way? He did do that to a degree, but I wonder if it would have been possible for him to force them to make more episodes.
Oh, if you meant the parts with them dating, I agree. That was pretty painful to watch and it was definitely fanservice. In fact I'm willing to bet Kuroneko was more prevalent after Volume 4 because his publisher demanded it as she was such a popular character. To be honest, everything about Kuroneko past Volume 4 reeks of pandering. Although she is an important character I feel that she is geared towards otaku readers, for some reason. I don't know though, that's just the vibe I get.
>That was pretty painful to watch and it was definitely fanservice. In fact I'm willing to bet Kuroneko was more prevalent after Volume 4 because his publisher demanded it as she was such a popular character
Volume 5 focusing on her actually happened because she won a popularity poll if I'm remembering right. Fushimi still managed to focus on her only when he needed her to push Kirino/Kyousuke together. He tossed her aside as much as possible when he didn't.
>when Kirino puts their photobooth sticker on her phone
This was huge for me. I am still mad. The back and forth teasing and love coupled with excuses is a big thing in Oreimo. It was a little moment, but it felt quite important within context.
>Thank you, Kirino.
>“I LOOOOOOVE MY LITTLE SISTER!!!!”
>“I… a-also love my aniki… maybe.”
>“I decided to put it here! Wah!”
>“ --- I also… stuck that on.”
What chapter was it in volume 8?
>He tossed her aside as much as possible when he didn't.
I noticed this.
I wonder what would've happened if Ayase won the poll.
>tfw no tsundere Oreimo to hug
Kyousuke puts the sticker on near the end of Chapter 1.
Kirino puts hers on in the middle of Chapter 3, the one that shows him and Kuroneko going on dates.
>you now realize the anime staff took an entire 30 minute episode to adapt 1 chapter
I want to rest my face on that butt
It always just looks like there's a gaping black hole in her face when looking at the thumbnail.
Also I just noticed the filename.
But her but probably has things on it.
I'll clean it then
Ayase actually has better development than Kuroneko but I'd expect it would be mostly the same with roles reversed since Ayase admits that she was doing the same thing as Kuroneko when she was rejected. Building up new dreams once Kyousuke crushed them or some shit.
That's somewhat normal. S1 did the same and that wasn't as rushed. Oreimo volumes would need at least 4 episodes to be fully adapted (or like 6 for volume 12). Then there's some chapters like volume 8, ch 4 that can't be done fully in one episode. Just look at Episode 9.
>cleaning things off your waifu's butt
V8Ch4 did get pretty much fully adapted though. The only thing that was different IIRC was the way Kyousuke wakes up Kirino for advice, the lights are off the whole time, and Kyousuke cries a lot more. Then there's a few small differences. But those were just the anime team being shit, not them having a lack of time. I could be wrong here though.
What do you think?
Sometimes, late at night, I'll post on these threads and pretend to be a normal Kirino fan. No plan to make Oreimo fans look bad, no reconnaissance to find out what they do with their spare time. In my tired mind, my logic is 'if I post, that's one less time an actual Oreimo fan can post before the thread hits the bump limit'.
I don't make much sense, in general.
Ummm. Great to have you with us anon?
I actually have a question.
So, there's currently no way to download all the S2 oreimo commentaries without downloading the whole BD right?
Well, at least you made me laugh. Usually we're just dumping images in the wee hours of the night until the bump limit though. The zealous hate for Ore No Imouto really doesn't affect me much. I try to ignore the people that hate irrationally and for the people that are a bit more open minded I just try to help them understand why I like it. Thanks for being honest though.
I'm mostly commenting on
>Only 1 chapter covered in one episode
I was talking more about the fact that the anime (episode 9) wasn't able to cover it (Vol8Ch4) fully. The fight between Kuroneko and Kirino and Belphegor's talk with Kyousuke and all that. Plenty of stuff important there that wasn't covered because of time.
I don't think there is. As far as I know yhe only extras that got ripped seperately and uploaded was the mini-VN with Sakurai. Although you can easily queue the whole torrent of the BD and then prioritize the commentary files to download first in your client.
I was going to do that this weekend but I completely forgot because of the Superb Owl. But yeah, this is a good option >>101439919
So, what do you guys think of the other incest-pandering anime out there? OniAi, YnS, KissxSis, and the like.
YnS was the super-lewd one, right?
I don't really like most other incest anime. Incest isn't why I enjoy Oreimo.
I forgot about the talk with Manami, thanks. Maybe if we're incredibly lucky, it's one chance in a million, but maybe we'll get a re-adaptation a couple years down the line. Of course it still wouldn't hold a candle to the LNs but a proper visualization of the novels would be nice.
Ah, I feel like, Oreimo really can't be done properly unless in word form. Kyousuke's thoughts and narration is really important and it isn't possible to do in anime form, unfortunately.
If only one sibling pair were allowed to get married ever, it would have to be Kyousuke and Kirno.
>watching Oreimo for the incest
>watching Oreimo for the plot
I choose the latter.
What about DentalHygieneAnon and his bitchy little sister from that one series of greentext stories that everyone likes for some reason?
Most of those are terribly ecchi.
OniAi and KissxSis are not blood related and obviously pandering. I have a little more respect for YnS.
Koi Kaze is about incest in a way even oreimo isn't.
But none of them have characters as fun to watch as oreimo.
By the way, has OHB even posted since last May?
I thought OralHygineBro's sister was terribly dere?I haven't exactly gone out of my way to hunt down that story.
What makes Koi Kaze more incesty than its contemporaries?
Well, yeah, but I wanted to insult her.
>But none of them have characters as fun to watch as oreimo
Agreed. With Oreimo, incest is the hook, not the point.
That's too lewd at this time of night.
It's not that it's more incest (apart from the fact it's definitely blood related). It's more that that's pretty much the point of it. The only point and the only hook.
It's a story about a brother and sister who meet when they're older and fall in love. There's no real ecchi and they're almost going for realism.
Hey, people, would you describe Kirino as ξﾟ⊿ﾟ)ξ ?
Kirino ar universums mirakel.
> dat rapeface
Those molestation hands
Go away. Kyousuke would never lay a hand on his little sister without her consent.
But what if she was into that?
What if she gave him an eroge with a sleeping-imouto h-scene a week prior?
That's kind of consent.
Yeah, all he has to do is cry to get her to do anything.
And I'm sure he has it in the series. How did it go?
"The feeling in the air was like 'Do you want to?'"
In a way it was the logical conclusion, pic related
You guys are gross.
Into being raped?
It kind of is.
That's how it went, yeah.
Anyways, I just said that because I remember he's said it several times. I think at one point he even said he doesn't have any sexual feelings for Kirino, in his narration and out loud. He says he would never lay a hand on her, don't remember where exactly though.
I think the times his monologue slip out his sexual attraction to Kirino far outnumber the times he says he's not interested.
Yeah, you're probably right. I forgot to add that he's probably not honest with himself.
>Damn, my little sister is too cute.
And not to mention he loves to observe what she's wearing every day and describing her figure in detail. And, well...
>"You think that I didn't notice? When I was lying down on the sofa, you looked at my body with ero eyes. Like my shoulder."
>Kirino didn't seem like she was going to let it go, she slowly drew her face closer, she stared at me in a questioning-like glance.
>"So? Speak it out!"
>"…………I looked at your shoulder, the part wasn't covered by your clothes with pervert eyes? Fufufu…….sorry Kirino, that's a big misunderstanding."
>I calmly answered in a deep voice:
>"What I looked at …was your ass."
>Kirino threw her bag at me full force. But that's useless.
>"Why are you stopping it? Accept your punishment!"
>"Refuse. Kukuku….if you want to punish me, you need Ayase-like attack power."
>"Hmph…recently you sexually harass your little sister too much!"
>"Because we are siblings, it's fine if I look at your ass, right?"
>"No it's not!"
>"I don't mind if you see my ass."
>"I do! Gehaa gehaa……Aaa mou……my throat hurts."
>See, that's because you screamed like an idiot.
There's also that one time where they incest-fucked.
Why aren't you out incesting your family right now, /a/? Why are you here, incesting in fiction?
Right, 'one time'
Yeah, but that wasn't really sexual was it? They were just cuddling, with style.
It's just cuddling with penetration.
Onii-chan dakedo ai sae areba kankeinai yo ne?
How do you respond?
Yeah, yeah...! After all, it's fine because they are siblings.
Do everyone in these threads want to have sex with their little sisters?
I don't have a little sister. So, I don't know.
Good response, anon.
Something I've never noticed about OreImo...
Konshinsōkan wa kimyōdearu
Looking through our old threads is interesting. Really, not much has changed...
YnS is on my backlog
KissXSis was fucking godly, Them being unrelated didn't matter to me as much as it does the rest of /a/
>mfw I still haven't watched the last 3 episodes
Don't, ever. Just go read the LNs.
You can do better than that.
I just happened upon this thread while I was looking for a quote I used in one of my old posts. I've only started bookmarking Oreimo threads since christmas.
Sometimes I search old Oreimo images in the archive to see the hilarity that comes up.
Then I realize I posted in these threads and I've been here for too long.
>no image archival for older posts
Damn, this has always sucked. I really wanted to see My Little Potato Can't Be This Cute.
>implying it isn't
That's like saying KissxSis wasn't a harem in its early days.
>implying it is
Damn, the anime adaptation claims another victim. I mourn for the countless losses just like you Anon. I'm not even trying to insult you. I don't even blame you.
Boy someone sure is mad.
Interesting. BakaTsuki's translation really has gotten better I guess.
>Fuck this, this ring cost more than 300 fucking dollars. Who'd buy this for their sister?
>I would've gotten it for her, but secretly. Then I would give it to her on Christmas.
Kyousuke confirmed for /a/
It's all coming together.
Dude I've only watched the anime and even I'm not stupid enough to think it's a harem
Is this thread dying without me having to do anything?
Oh, fraptious day!
this imouto ship does not sink today
we can not let them win
Damn you, you meddling kids and your stupid blood-related intercourse!
>he doesn't into the purest form of love
Blood-related intercourse is the cuddliest intercourse
Incest is a shortcut. Sibligs are obligated to love each other anyway, and they have to do so from birth onwards. Non-related partners CHOSE to love each other, they had to do it later in life, and there they are. At the same amount of love. Without cheating.
Koi Kaze is probably the only incest anime which I consider good. It has all the seriousness and emotional conflict you'd expect from an incestuous romance, which is exactly what I want when I look for stories like these. The age difference between the siblings is somewhat off-putting, though
OniAi is just generic haremshit garbage, not worth my time
KissxSis started off well, but now it seems like it's gone in a completely different direction. Keita barely cares about the sisters anymore
YnS had potential to be as good as KoiKaze, but going with the omnibus format was a horrible mistake and pretty much ruined it for me. At least the soundtrack was good
>It has all the seriousness and emotional conflict you'd expect from an incestuous romance
Funny because Oreimo has that too.
But Kirino and Kyousuke chose to love each other as well. Your post makes me think you didn't watch/read it or at least didn't pay attention.
>Funny because Oreimo has that too.
Yep. Sadly, most of it was lost in the anime adaptation
God I fucking hate Ghost-Banri so much. So fucking much.
Everybody does. He's such a shit.
>Good fucking call. Later in Japan, after the episodes were released, he finally admitted that Kirino was best girl.
>Telling lies on the internet
>Didn't even watch this yet I can tell you lied
Not to the same degree.
They already had sibling love, which, as far as I'm concerned, is an unfair advantage.
>-By the end of the story, his favourite character is Kirino, but it wasn't that way at first and he was just as annoyed with her as Kyousuke was at the beginning. But having her hide her true romantic feelings was part of the setting, and so he struggled to bring out the charm of this hated heroine little by little over the course of the narrative. And then, as all these developments started adding up, the amount of people who came to like her increased, and that made the author happy.
Kirino is sex steroids. Confirmed.
Why are you so romantically dishonest, /a/? Why can't you just let the game be played on an even court?
But it's pretty obvious what Fushimi thinks, his writing speaks for itself. And he did call Oreimo "Kirino's Story" in an interview.
But regardless, I don't care much about who 'best girl' is, because it's obvioust that Kirino is the one that matters in the story and to Kyousuke regardless of how best she is.
>They already had sibling love
Yeah. Except they didn't. They HATE each other in the beginning of the series. You're not doing a good job of showing me that you aren't ignorant of the series. If you can't do that, this discussion isn't worth having.
Kirino runs track and field and is also an animu.
>watching last Blu-ray commentary before the VN-like specials
>Kyousuke mentions this is the last time the viewer will see them like this
>Kirino looks a little bit sad but says that even so, she will not say "Goodbye"
>both thank the viewer for watching and Kirino says "See you later!" while waving
Almost shed a tear. Fucking hell, I'm gonna miss Oreimo
Well, just remember that they're right.
There will never be any more OreImo ever again. Ever. It's DONE.
You don't get any more.
She's pretty amazing.
Thank God. I would hate for them to trivialize the ending by making a sequel. I shudder at the thought.
Jokes on you, the season 2 specials, EDs, and 2ch comics will never be translated.
There will always be more Oreimo!
Stop it anon
OreImo: After Story
Kirino died while giving birth. After a grieving period, Kyuosuke gets back in the game. He gets a harem end: Ayase, a much more dere version of Manami, Kuroneko, and a new girl.
I wonder if they fucked like rabbits
I think I've read the same sort of retarded fanfic for a Toradora afterstory.
Yep. It's an incest series, what're ya gonna do, right?
I mean, I suppose it makes a bit of sense fro Toradora...Taiga is supposed to be pregnant with triplets despite the fact that she's child-size...
How does it go?
This is what I would be okay with. Parallel universe side stories.
Howabout this? Something that really could have happened.
During Kyousuke's confession, he is chasing after Kirino. He almost grabs her, but she runs across a crosswalk at the last moment. He falls down as we see in the anime. But when he gets up and runs across the road after her, he is hit by a speeding car.
He is severely injured. Comatose for 2 months.
When he wakes up, he finds that Kirino ended up going abroad after her graduation. He never gets to finish his confession.
What would happen?
Manami wins, and Kirino meets a nice guy in Americanada.
It wouldn't go like that.
Kirino would've stayed with him until he awoke,
she said she would when she wrote her story.
Kyousuke had already rejected Kuroneko at that point, so Kirino would've heard his intentions regardless.
You're bad at this.
For 2 months? And give up all her plans, even though she thinks that Kyousuke has rejected her?
I don't know man, she loves him infinitely but...At some point you gotta let go. And Kirino has been trying to let go of her love for a long time now.
And yeah, probably. It's essentially the same as her story, in which the main girl 'Rino' was based on her and her feelings for Kyousuke.
If we're going hypotheticals, then how about thisL
The Westermarck Effect hits Kyousuke and Kirino as hard as anyone else.
What would happen?
Ah damn, you're probably right. Oh well, it was a fun situation to think about. First time I read that scene I was thinking what would happen if he got hit by a car, and actually worrying it would happen.
You couldn't add Westermarck into the equation without changing their past. And the thing is that if you change their past the events of the series never happen anyways. Read "My Black Haired Little Sister Can't Be This Cute".
It's good that Kirino won in the end.
Kuroneko was just too good for Kyousuke anyway
Fuck this show, Ruri was the only winner, Kirino is a bitch.
I'll just pretend Ruri won so it makes it all better.
And what is that story about?
I haven't read it because I know it will make me depresssed, but I know what it's about. Its a side story where Manami never interferes with their relationship. Because of this, they remain normal siblings.
That sounds nice.
>Kanako rejected by Kyousuke
>Vows to become a great idol so she can make him jealous
>Just like Kirino did
Why did I never realize this?
She can be 'too good' and alone.
Is that what people get mad about? I hated the stupid fucking ending. I'm not anti incest or anything like it but for him to be a stupid faggot and choose his sister when he knew they weren't going to be together after he graduated is just retarded.
It sounds unsettling, to me. I don't want to read it and probably won't for a while. Having only finished the LNs and anime for the first time a couple weeks ago, I'm still very emotionally sensitive, to say the least.
>you will never make Kirino's day vaguely unpleasant, or moreso than it already would be
Truly, this is a chilling tale of two siblings being siblings and NOT fucking each other.
The way it's written seems empty and sad, yes.
Can't believe we're still doing this.
When will you realize that posting your little pastebin doesn't actually stop the anons that dislike the show?
I thought you said you hadn't read it.
He didn't say he disliked the show, he said he disliked a very specific aspect of the ending which he misunderstood due to the adaptation.
When will you understand that not everyone is a bitter retard who adamantly tries to stay upset about things?
Like I said, I mean emotionally unsettling. I know that it will make me depressed. Like >>101447217 says, in a way.
Not that Anon, but that's as far as I ever go unless they're clearly willing to learn. If they want to continue being upset over the ending that's fine, but since there are people like >>101437159 who come along every once in a while and are actually not just hating irrationally but unfortunately just misled by the anime, it's cruel not to at least help them out a bit.
Different anon, my bad.
I've read it.
So, it's portraying the fact that they're just siblings that love each other in a normal way as tragic?
>there are people on this thread right now that aren't posting while balls-deep in adorable baby sister
They're not as close, they're not honest with each other or themselves, Kirino's not as passionate about the things she loves, etc.
Both Kirino and Kyousuke are happy as siblings but even then it's a fraction of the happiness they share in canon. It closes with Kyousuke winning Kirino a Meruru doll from an arcade and her putting it in her empty hidden closet.
It's an empty feeling timeline.
Man I never thought this would go on for so long, it's still hilarious.
But everyone says the souring of the relationship and thus the eventual incestifying of it came as a result of Manami. Shouldn't they be all fine and dandy?
It's tragic because it challenges the fact that Manami was wrong about their relationship. It's thought provoking. It shows what would happen if she has her way. It is naturally scary to think that the events of Oreimo led to a conclusion less favorable than the one it was arguing against for the whole series. They seem happy. But are they, really? I don't know. This is why it's unsetttling. There are arguments on both sides that it isn't a happy story though.
Regardless, things happen in life that are beyond your control. If the better future would have been them as normal siblings, it wouldn't matter. Sometimes bad events befall people and ruin a potentially bright future. But you can't do anything about it but try and achieve a different future that is also bright.
I'm not sure what you're asking.
The second half of that post seems rather sisconnected from the first, but sure. Why not.
>you will never play eroge with Kirino
Yeah. It's hard to believe people still think Kirino isn't best girl.
Are you some type of manami fag?
let me tell you something
society is the reason why incest is even viewed in a bad light.
moralfags are horrible monsters.
they are the reason for every censor and ban there is on anime
and real life
the only reason anything can be seen as tragic is because the based opinions of one seeing it as tragic.
stop being cows that take grass from moralfag farmers.
But...he's saying the opposite, is he not? Aren't you two on the same side?
>Are you some type of manami fag?
No, don't operate on that assumption. All I was saying is that it's interesting to think about what their future would be like if they were normal siblings, and that the story is frightening to me because it makes me consider that Manami might have been right., which I don't believe and don't want to.
Manami a shit, as always.
I really want to play the VNs, but I've still yet to learn nip.
But calling their love tragic is taking it too far.
It doesn't challenge anything. If it wanted to challenge the notion that incest is wrong it would have shown the consequences involved to say that they aren't that bad or could be managed or something. This is purely masturbation material for people with a tsundere incest fetish. Don't force your own opinions on a show.
By the way if it actually did challenge the notion that incest is wrong it would not have legally been allowed on TV.
But he's calling how they DON'T fall in love in an AU fanfic tragic.
I wasn't calling their love tragic you moron, you misread me. I was calling the spinoff story tragic because it exists in a world where Kirino and Kyousuke never get together.
When did anyone say that it challenged the notion that incest is wrong?
How does an alternate timeline where they're less happy and less close make Manami seem right?
It isn't tragic, it's stupid.
>Manami a shit, as always
And here I thought we could have civil conversation
Oh god i went full retarded....
Sorry my misunderstanding.
your a faggot
There have been many civil conversations involving Manami a shit.
It inspired a peace treaty pre-season 2, after all.
But that made these threads even more carcinogenic
It got rid of Dutchguy.
So what if Kirino is in fact best girl? It's not about a universal opinion about who is best girl, it's about which girl is best girl in your heart, anon-kun. I'm okay with Kirino winning because Ruri is mai waifu anyway.
I'm sure there's a decent English patch by now.
To butt in...
I never met Dutchguy, but he doesn't seem that bad. The bizarre demonization of him that's been going on just makes me feel inherently sympathetic towards the poor Netherlander.
You can't judge the story based on how it lives up to the ideal that Oreimo was working towards. That just isn't fair and it defeats the point of the whole thing.
The problem is that we don't know, that's why I'm saying it's uncertain. Sure they aren't as happy in the story as they are in Oreimo. That's because they didn't just find the love of their lives. Once they grow up and get spouses of their own, fall in love with someone and get married with them, who's to say they might be happy then? It leaves room for that, that's all I'm saying.
I feel it's unfair to measure the weight of the story based on their closenes. Of course they aren't as close as they are in canon, no 'normal' pair of siblings would be that close.
Let me reiterate this. I am NOT saying Manami was right. In fact I'm saying the opposite. . I firmly believe she isn't. But this story leaves open the idea that they could have had a future as happy siblings with their own happy futures. Who knows? Like I said, it's open. And you can't say that my argument is moot because it speculative, because the only way to see the story as proving that Manami was wrong is by seeing that it isn't Oreimo.
So it can go both ways.
Sorry if I don't seem coherent, I've been on /a/ for over 12 hours and it's like 4am, I'm trying to finish the S1 commentaries.
Only for the second VN and only for Kuroneko, Kirino and Ayase I believe. And you'll have to use an emulator.
But the first one's translated on youtube.
>he doesn't seem that bad
>I never met Dutchguy
He used to dump Manami in pretty much every Oreimo thread. He's one of the hyperautistic waifu types who pretends Manami is physically living with him, that sort of thing.
Volume 11 drove him legitimately insane and probably deeper into alcoholism. I think he avoids Oreimo threads now because they upset him.
He's pitiable now, but that wasn't the case for the past couple years.
What I'm getting is that he's from the Low Countries, he likes Manami, and used to post here. I hear 'autistic' being thrown around, but we brush our teeth with the word 'autism' on these threads.
So, who was he, really?
So, was it just roleplaying, or did he have a tulpa?
Props if the latter. Never had the brain for that.
You don't want to meet him.
>but he doesn't seem that bad
I have had fights on theses threads with him
and i can say he is THAT bad.
he was a shit.
Well, you don't seem all that great, either.
>I'm sorry, but I just simply do not believe this is possible. I imagine her being with me every waking and sleeping moment of my life, but I wouldn't call it a tulpa or a mental illness.
>It's the same as if having conversations with yourself, you know? But the other side just has a different voice and a personality of its own.
>>I'm not crazy, you know?
I think he's actually schizophrenic rather than the induced schizophrenia tulpa's imply.
Let me see if I can find that thread where three tripfags derailed the whole fucking thread and turned it toxic.
A shitposter. He takes Oreimo way too seriously and is literally seething with hatred for Kirinobros and anyone that doesn't love Manami. So he shitposts about it. Autistic tripfags are commonplace now, this shouldn't be surprising. But he takes it to a new level.
Was this recent? Because there was this one, holy shit
Are you a kirinobro or
Are you just shitposting on me?
I think "My Black Haired Little Sister Can't Be This Cute" is only sad if you've read the series as it normally goes. Otherwise it's kind of happy. Two ordinary siblings spending some time together.
But for those of us who have read the series it's nostalgic but different and that hurts because it can never be the way we remember. People never meet and it's sad.
I think it does say Manami kind of created this scenario. But it doesn't say whether she was right or wrong because her intentions aren't matched anyway.
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks.
Now, you see, you seem like a bad person. Switch the names around, and you've got these threads. And I'm looking at the image you posted, and that also seems quite terrible.
It was his fucking BIRTHDAY, man.
So it was just implied that they were going to stay together? That makes me hate the end a lot less. I never read the manga or lns (light novel?) though, did it end differently at all? I was going to read it until I saw pictures of people burning their books.
And the thread has reached an irreparable state of terrible. Well, I've gotta go to bed, anyway. I have to get up and do things in...an hour and a half. Oops!
See you next time, guys. Your series is still terrible, but you are fun conversation at least 70% of the time.
Kirino asks for a new ring, Kyousuke kiss is on the lips, life counseling continues.
If you're going to read nothing else, just read volume 12 and >>101447177 >>101436467.
The anime did a pretty awful job of season 2, especially the ending.
If you enjoyed the series up until the ending, though, it's worth reading the LNs because they're a lot better than the anime.
Yes that one. The one where Dutch announced a new trip and Kevin showed up.
They literally dominated conversation in the thread.
Nasty thread here http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/99825918/#99839662
But luckily we've still been able to have some good threads since, so he's not been as persistent as he could have been.
>Now, you see, you seem like a bad person
I don't get it, why would you think that? I'm just saying he's a shitposter. The image is a bit mean, sure, so sorry for that. But where do you think we are?
Yes. It's hard to pick up on with the anime because it's so shit and they cut out so much plot, so the only way to understand it without checking the source material is to read into details way more than you normally would.
Did you read the FAQ and the things in it? Author interviews, image, etc. You should definitely read the LNs no matter what if you enjoyed the series though. The anime adaptation butchered many things and the ending was one of them. It ends the same way in the LNs but it's much better developed and made more clear that they aren't giving up on their love.
We should really stop talking about him, lest he show up and shitpost to spite us. It's always best to ignore, I'm sure you know that.
Okay I'll read them then. Thanks anon
I actually get fucking depressed over this series. It's pathetic but I can't help it. I just hate that amazing girls like Saori and Ruri are stuck in such a shitty story. Why couldn't this it just be about Kirino and Kyousuke? Why did there need to be such great girls who were doomed from the start literally due to the title?
Hope to see you again. Really, wouldn't be the same around here without you.
Saori and Ruri are shit
That's the wrong way to think about it. They're good characters who faced trials of adolescence and will now come out of it stronger.
If Ruri has to find someone else to love, she will make sure it's someone dedicated to her alone. Or she'll push for a threesome with Kirno, but you know.
You're a moron
One's a shitty Mary Sue moeblob and the other is Fetish Fuel: The Character. Fucking Sena was better than them
No I haven't read them yet, but I'm leaving the tabs open for tomorrow because I need to sleep and that's a lot to read at 3 am.
I'm just happy that it didn't really end the way I thought it did, I always got irritated when I thought of the show after the last episode. Especially since I thought it was so good that I held off on watching it in a few days. I ended up taking a couple weeks.
But she's a fictional character. We will never see this. She doesn't exist outside of the 2d world. There will never be a chance to see her in an environment where she can have her own happy romance, and this makes me incredibly sad.
Holy shit, this entire post is literally just buzzwords with nearly zero actual semblance of meaning.
It gets me depressed too, but for different reasons. A lot of people feel sad after watching Oreimo.
All the other girls are incomplete versions of Kirino. It revolves around Kyousuke and his relationship with Kirino. His time with them is to remind him that he needs her. Thematically, him rejecting them is part of the first of several steps he takes to cement his love for Kirino in spite of the consequences it has on his future. Pic related.
Really the side characters are more elvevant then in most stories because they all are important and help the plot in their own way, and are all well written in addition. It's always about the siblings, everything relates back to them, but it would be boring with just them. And much less entertaining. Most agree that a major plus of Oreimo is the likeable and memorable characters.
Also, none of them had true love for Kyousuke. Any relationship he could have gotten in would have been a mistake in the first place.
Never watch a harem anime
I understand. I'm glad we could help. I was glad when people handed the pastebin to me and showed me the ending wasn't what I thought it was, too. Then I went on to read the LNs and fell in love with this series. Never looked back.
Fuck me, relevant.
Ghost Banri pls go and stay go
No, I hate my little sister, she's an annoying little shit.
Well except for grandma, it seemed like she really loved him. And she was so fucking adorable looking
I started oreimo back when the anime aired, though, so it was too late for me right from the start. At this point, I avoid most harem anime, but I was already invested in these particular characters, and I can't do much about that.
I don't understand. Take her as your waifu if you will. Tell me where that fits into canon. She's unattached by the seems of things.
There is no truth save that which we read into it. Unlike reality where there is a "truth" of a sort. But if you followed a story beyond it's conclusion you would find mundane lives.
This is what the ending of oreimo is. Fushimi giving us everything we need to decide what we think happenned. He did just say "Horray the adventure continues, make up your own ideas from now on", it's more like these characters are three dimensional enough to exist beyond the story that created them. You can see what they would do.
So really, you should be happy.
Manami does love Kyousuke. But, have you read the LNs? The stuff with Manami was cut. You need to read them to understand this. Part of why he doesn't belong with her is the contrast between the way she tries to 'support' Kyousuke by discouraging him in his life, while Kirino does the opposite, inspiring him and supporting him to do his best.
If you are serious about never reading the LNs or don't care for spoilers, read the excerpts that are posted in this thread.
Also forgot to mention that Kyousuke is mostly incapable of loving Manami romantically because he sees her as a replacement for his grandma figure and turned her into a dependency figure.
I know how you feel man. I couldn't just stop watching either.
And while ago I watched an anime called OreShura. It was the only harem I've seen besides the bit of harem my little sister has. Anyway, for some reason I didn't think about how bad it would must likely end until there were only 2 episodes left. And to me it ended pretty bad and realised I didn't want to watch a harem anime ever again. It'll almost never end the way you want it to.
Oreimo isn't intended to be a harem anime, and you don't have to see it that way if you don't misunderstand the series and think that the girls are real romance options for the protagonist.
I am this person and I'm definitely going to read them. And I knew he didn't like her because when they were laying next to each other she asked what he'd do if someone said they liked him. He said something like he doesn't want a relationship or likes things the way they are. But still, even though she was kind of a bitch she was just so adorable. One of the cutest scenes with her was when she was trying to let him put his head in her lap.
Manami was adorable, I agree. But once you realize what she's done that adoration you have might fade a bit. I won't spoil it for you. Go to bed Anon, and then start reading them tomorrow.
That's why I said bit of harem, I meant like harem-ish. I never thought of them as real possible love interests for him but a couple of the girls were pretty amazing so it's kind of sad when they get turned down, at least to me.
Oh okay, my bad. I understand what you mean though. Unfortunately it was something that had to be done. Kuroneko's rejection made me cry a bit just because I could feel her how much it hurt her. All the characters are like this.
Green Polo of justice.
I think we called Kirino's Ass the justice maker. Well I didn't. But Kyousuke seemed to like it.
That's a whole lot of Kirino
And to many more.
Alright. I'm putting in a request Kirinobros for one of us to actually start a thread next time.
I can defend Kirino all day, but we deserve our own thread sometimes.
What episode is this one from?
Let's do it. This was 2 threads in one day and I've been posting for almost 18 hours now. But I'll see this one to the death and then we'll make our own next time. Maybe tuesday or something.
It's from one of the openings
Oh, that's why I didn't recognize it very easily. Thanks
I know I'll be in it. Us Kirinobros have to stick together.
Sure sure. I'll keep one eye on the catalog just in case. I'll make one tuesday if we haven't had one in a while. Sound good?
No. Don't spam them. We already had two threads yesterday/today.
Waiting 48 hours to make a new thread is 'spamming' them?
Kirino a cute
>Also, none of them had true love for Kyousuke. Any relationship he could have gotten in would have been a mistake in the first place.
OP of the other thread that came with this one.
There's nothing that time can't fix.
Time obviously couldn't fix Kyousuke and Kirino's relationship. It made it worse. Something had to change.
Regardless I don't understand your point.
Well, it's bound to get worse if you have a masochist boy and a stubborn overbearing girl.
>Regardless I don't understand your point.
I may have misunderstood it and you're actually blaming Kyousuke for being who he is right now for his incompetence for romance.
Anyway, we're on autosage. Until the next Oreimo thread.
I'm saying Kyousuke made the most important decision of his life and did not make it lightly. And he saw it through to the end and continues to do so.
PLEASE GOD NO
I WANT TO GO TO BED