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Could Kuroko beat Touma? Her spikes are not esper related, she merely places them in her targets with her power. The only thing she couldn't do, is teleporting Touma. Unless maybe if she doesn't touch his right hand?
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There are actually alot of people whom Touma would get his shit kicked in by if the villains in the Dexverse weren't retarded.
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No one can beat touma retard he got his arm chopped off and he still won
anyways
Whats the best touma/kuroko doujin
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Her spikes cannot penetrate his plot armor.
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I don't understand why the church never pulled a gun against him
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>>101419355
Touma's actual power is to make anyone who wants to harm him go full retard.
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Touma has more plot armor than Kira "Jesus" Yamato
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Divine Punishment materializes inside the body and that doesn't work on him, so probably not.
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>>101419355
>No one ever pulls a gun on Touma
>Anime-only fag
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>>101419355

Killing Touma is just part of the issue. I would like to see what they would do against the "invisible thing" inside Touma's right hand.
Most magicians would probably be defeated by it, safe Othinus and maybe Ollerus.
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>>101419518
Lucia's wheel does work on him though
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>>101418559
http://exhentai.org/g/558304/8b734e90c1/
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>>101419355
Oi m8, best read the novels
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>>101420097
Lucia's wheel just stabs you and then rips the splinters, not sure what you're saying.
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>>101420317
10032 thread?

10032 thread.
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>>101420317
Both Kuroko's teleported items and Lucia's wheel are moved by supernatural reasons

Unless she teleports the stuff directly into his right hand it should work

>>101420417
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>>101420417
>Not even posting 10032
Will-san is best Misaka regardless.
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>>101420468
Teleportation is shit in Raildex. We've been over this for ages now.
But seeing as how there are multiple posts complaining about PLOT ARMOUR it's full of anime-only so whatever.
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>>101418406
Seeing as Imagine breaker only negates things at his right hand and things which apply to his whole body in general, Kuroko should be able to teleport things into everything except his right hand without problems.
Now of course if teleporters could aim for shit at moving targets there'd be a higher chance of it working. The delay before the actual teleportation happens makes it hard though.
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Yes. Precognition would kick in and he would either dodge out of the way or IB the teleport before it happens, like he did in Remnant.
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>>101418406
> Could Kuroko beat Touma?
Comedy relief scenes? Yes.
Otherwise? She is not living her live correctly.
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Depends. Touma's "precog" isn't infallible. If it happens too quickly, he can't dodge Kuroko's attacks.
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>>101421368
Or you know, she can just sneak up on him.
Or you know, bring a gun, knife or any other projectile/melee weapon.
Or you know, Kuroko is supposed to be pretty good in martial arts. Even without her teleportation she's capable of taking down adults. The problem alone is that she'd likely get confused due to not being able to teleport him around at first.
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>>101421368
Kuroko certainly isn't fast enough. She has a 1 second time lag between each teleport, which increases when she's stressed or in pain.

As long as it's supernatural it's fine. Touma couldn't block Acqua's regular blows but once Acqua used a magical physical attack, Touma could suddenly keep up with him and block his strike against Kanzaki. And Acqua is well faster than Kuroko. He can also keep up with Biri's attacks and reactions, who is fast enough to keep up with Saint-speed and shoot shrapnel out of the air.
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>>101421504
>Sneaking up on Touma
Do you think she's Hamazura or something? Touma is the one who sneaks up on you. And bringing knives and guns hasn't worked out for other people who have tried it against Touma, he's a sneaky bastard.

And considering he was mowing down a whole crowd of people in NT 7, and could take down Aogami even with a broken arm and a knife wound in his gut in NT 9, I think he can handle Kuroko. It's top-tier martial artists like Tsuchi who wreck him.
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>>101418406
any one with combat training could beat him.
aka Tsuchimikado
or some one with a gun
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>>101419355
Because his enemy isn't actually the Roman Catholics but God's Right Seat, a small group within the church that is balls-deep in magical knowledge and tradition. No shit they wouldn't use guns at him, that would imply that their magic was useless against Touma. Also, it's not like they never wrecked Touma. Three out of four of the GRS members were defeated only because of circumstantial reasons (aka plot armor).
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>>101421510
no because his right hand would cancel the efect of canceling powers
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>>101421785
Terra was fucked even before the bombing.
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>>101421554
>but once Acqua used a magical physical attack
kek
He was waiting at the sides as a third party, of course he could easily get the timing right. He'd have a hard time blocking that attack if it was coming right at him. Would probably turn out similar to his battle with Othinus, 'cept there's no reset button.
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>>101418406
In theory, beating Touma isn't terribly hard as long as you know what his power is and don't bother getting into punch range. Most espers with a combat-applicable power could do it if they played smart.
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>>101421991
Touma is smarter than people give him credit for.

He is able to beat a lot of people who can use their powers well against him, or just downright have no powers at all and are just physically strong, like the whip girl in Kamijou SS. If he can get a single hit in on Kuroko, she probably wouldn't be able to teleport anymore. She could probably teleport things into him like the needles though, but let's face it Touma has suffered through so much worse. Kuroko isn't one to kill people either, so she wouldn't just teleport something into his brain and end it.

Although there's always the chance that IB does something similar to Accelerator's reflection, where teleporting something through it causes weird things to happen.
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>>101421504
>Or you know, bring a gun
Dude, that's so not happening. When she's not in lesbian rapist mode, Kuroko's one of the biggest moralfags in the series, and in Raildex that alone says a lot..
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>>101418406
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>>101421368
Fiamma's holy right moves faster than light and Touma can still block it.
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>“Kanzaki-san. I did it.”
>“~ ~ ~ ~!!”
>Tears welled up in the corners of her eyes.
>No words came to her. She merely threw Shichiten Shichitou aside and embraced the square body of the washing machine like it was a long-lost family member.

Kanzaki is best girl
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>>101420222
Plans to get Uiharu raped
>Based Kuroko
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>>101426311
Eh, his HR is less faster than light and more just ignores the concept of speed entirely. Hard to get anything from it.
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>>101426311
Touma's hand can't move faster than light. All he's doing is predicting when Fiamma will attack through facial expressions and body language. It's just a matter of knowing when to raise his hand at the right time. Remember how he couldn't block Rensa's attacks initially because she went completely stiff?

If shit moves faster than he can perceive he won't be able to block it.
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>implying NT Touma won't beat the shit out of Kuroko and anyone who tries to pull the whole "lel why don't they use guns like an murrikan"
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>>101418406
Maybe the reason why they don't use guns is because it is hard still hard to get guns in Japan even though it is Academy City?
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>>101428927
The reasons why most factions don't use guns are quite simple.
Magicians have a lot of pride. Most'd consider using a weapon from the science side a disgrace.
Most high level espers are a lot more dangerous than a simple gun, and aside from that they're usually schoolchildren who do not have access to firearms. Inside AC, firearms are also heavily regulated, so the upper parts of the society will never get their hands onto them.
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>>101429160
Actually there's a treaty in place not allowing Magicians to use high-tech weaponry. It's mentioned in the Stiyl side story I believe.

Course they get around that later by just hiring mercenaries to do it for them.
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>>101428927
>It wasn’t unusual for Skill-Out to be armed with handguns.

From SS1 Chapter 4
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>>101428722
It's kind of sad though, Touma basically took all the stuff Hamazura was good at.

Though they're a little different in that Hamazura is better at on the fly stuff, while Touma is better at longer term planning.
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>>101418406
Just about everyone could beat Touma. The rouble is his real ability isn't imagine breaker, it's making everyone around him retarded. Imagine breaker is a seal that prevents his true power from knocking humanity as a whole back down to the level of lemurs.
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>>101429330
Yeah, but normally skill-out wouldn't shoot Touman for no reason. By the way does it ever explain how they would stop level 5/high level 4 if they got out of control, and wanted to wreck the city just because? Skill-out seem weak, but then again I don't read the VN.

>inb4 NT9
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Touma can simply tear off his own arm against any opponent he cannot beat with imagine breaker.
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I bet Itsuwa could beat him up.

But she wouldn't because she's busy being the best girl and not being in jail
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>>101429502
>VN
Skill-Out are level 0 thugs who try and take out higher levels. Anti-Skill is the police/military.


And out of control high levels are generally taken care of by things like GROUP, ITEM, SCHOOL, etc. Worst comes to worst, AC's military could take out any esper that isn't Kakine or Accelerator.
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>>101429561
He only has to break a few fingers apparently if the Othinus fight is anything to go on.
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>>101429406
I think it's more they were retarded to begin with. Kaori and Stiyl couldn't be arsed to look up how the human brain actually worked and thus swallowed bullshit from a woman they both knew was extremely manipulative. Accelerator was led to believe that somehow killing weaklings one after another could lead him to godhood. Sherry and Vento had huge unresolved anger issues that they had no real constructive outlets for. And so on and so forth.
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>>101429568
>Not being in jail
You're delusional anon
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>>101431727
Kamachi writes characters with utterly retarded motivations in order to have an easier time when writing the respective Touma soapbox speech.
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What is the esper power that Touma's right hand is suppressing? I bet we'll see it before it's all over.
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>>101432009
Fucking roller coasters.
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>>101432205
Limb Exploder.
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>>101429330
And yet

>Most of those were people who rented out a dorm but never went to school and people who went to school but acted as Skill-Out members at night. The Skill-Out members that never returned to the dorms and gave them the image of an armed group was only about 1% of the total.

Out of the 10,000 or so total number of Skill-Outs
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>>101432558
>Limb Exploder
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>>101431727
>Not believing your boss, and most of the other higher ups when they tell you that brains work that way

>Not believing AC's scientists who know more shit about espers than you
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>>101432404
Animeonlyfag detected
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>>101418406
S3 WHEN.
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>>101433042
Never.

Expect Accelerator to get an anime adaptation before Index III
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>>101433529
Depending on how long it takes for the manga to end, I'd expect a third season of Railgun. With Liberal Arts City, Shopping Mall Demonstration, Jihanki no Fanfare, and Daihaseisai 2.0, it's not like they're lacking for potential material even for the Railgun side.

With that having been said, I don't see them doing that unless they're even more gunshy about an Index III than we thought...
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>>101433736
>I'd expect a third season of Railgun. With Liberal Arts City, Shopping Mall Demonstration, Jihanki no Fanfare, and Daihaseisai 2.0, it's not like they're lacking for potential material even for the Railgun side.

It must be fun to live in a fantasy world.

They won't bother with any of those except the Daihaseisai since it's in the manga. They had their chance to adapt LAC but you get Nagai Space instead.

Now buy the DVDs and we will think about Index III while we rape your waifus.
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>>101433042
Probably never.
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>>101418406
>>101418506
>>101419437
>Don't know about precognition and 1000 years of fighting experience at Touma must die mode.
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>>101433953
Fug.

Is there an Index manga or something?
I don't like readin Light novels.
Theyre too light.
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>>101434059
When you talk in real life are your sentences full of nonsensical video game lingo?
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>>101420590
Teleportation in Raildex isn't shit. It's a more powerful ability than Accelerator's, there just aren't any broken users of it like there are for other powers.
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>>101434277

Considering all the video game analogies Kamachi uses, its actually a pretty fair comparison.
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>>101434269
The Index manga hasn't even caught up to the anime yet.
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>>101434368
>It's a more powerful ability than Accelerator's

Tell that to Kill Point's corpse.
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>>101434414
Well.
Let's say I watched all the anime and want to keep enjoying the story.
Do I start from vol 1 or can I continue at a certain volume?
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>>101434387
Just because Kamachi writes analogies that he thinks teenagers should understand doesn't mean others should emulate the idiocy of it.
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>>101434463
I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be. Raildex isn't exactly known for fights being decided by the potency of characters' powers.
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>>101434533
You can start from 14, but you should at least read 2 and 4 as well. The anime significantly changed the story of those volumes.
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>>101434665
Also
>Kill Point
>Broken
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>>101433837
>It must be fun to live in a fantasy world.

An anon can dream, can't he?

But more to the point, I figured it wasn't entirely impossible given the teaser at the end of S.
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>>101434533
If you don't want to reread the stuff, you can start at Volume 14 or the later part of SS2. You should read the epilogues of 6 and 13 as well for important forshadowy things. All the novels after 13 are way better than the stuff the anime covered, and they just keep getting better.

You should really reread some stuff though, at least Deep Blood and Angel Fall (2 and 4) because JC Staff butchered the fuck out of them.
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>>101434588
>I don't like thing.
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>>101434368
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Now, I haven't read much of Index, but I hear the term personal reality tossed around in the threads. Can you tell me if my impression of this word is correct?
It sounds to me that they convince these kids that they have powers, the kids start to believe they have powers, then through practice, they actually gain powers through their belief. Strength of powers is determined through how delusional they are, believing they possess these powers.
Toumas power is basically to say, "No, you idiot, you don't have powers so I'm going to punch some sense into you."
Yes? No?
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>>101435662
Partly true, yes
They also have their brains and bodies tampered with so that they can produce AIM which is what makes their powers manifest.

Imagine Breaker dispells most supernatural stuff, whether it's Esper powers, or magic
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>>101434368
No, Teleportation IS shit. Read vol 8.
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>>101434368
>Teleportation
>Not shit
The only one worth a damn is Awaki
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>>101435662

It hasn't actually been explained in depth, but I dont think its quite that simple. The process involves lots of drug treatments and fucking around with brains to the point where they're different from a regular persons brain. Then there are Gemstones, who are naturally born with their powers.
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>>101435384
Higher difficulty is not the same thing as being a weak ability. In vidya terms that's like saying the tryhard do-everything character is weaker than the one-button-wonder who is weak but simple to play.
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>>101421785
GRS didn't even want Touma dead since Fiamma needed his right hand.
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>>101435893
Awaki is easily best teleporter.
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>>101435384
>instant teleport
Fucking Chinese translations.
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>>101434755
No, you start at vol 13 epilogue, then SS1 ch3, then vol 14. Also read vol 6's epilogue before that. Read the earlier novels you skipped after catching up if you want.
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>>101436022
That's not really saying much though
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why doesn't kuroko materialize her hand in touma's squishy ball sac and explode his genitals so he can't mate with her waifu?

it wouldn't hurt her since there are no bones there.
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>>101436022
Awaki is great.
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>>101435959
It's weak precisely because you need to play perfectly to even hope to be on par with the one-button-wonder.
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>>101421792
But he knows all of Touma's moves.
Even if he couldn't use the IB he'd still have the advantage.
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>>101436140
>Read the earlier novels you skipped after catching up if you want.

While you could do this, I would strongly suggest you read from volume 1 and just blow through them now. The translations are worse (not done by based js06) and they are a lot more boring than the later novels. If you go through the later ones first it will just make reading the earlier ones all the harder.
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>>101435662
Personal reality = the way a specific esper "observes" the world around him. There is no belief involved. Powers are caused by an interpretation of the observer effect.
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>>101435959
It's an ability that requires extreme concentration, and if it's interupted in the slightest you could lose complete control over your powers. While it can be very useful and very powerful, it's gimped by that sole factor.

Also it can't be used against people like Accelerator. Trying to teleport something into him just causes weird things to happen to the teleported object, since his reflection still works in the 11th dimension.
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>>101435384
Oh I see, so it's one of those faux-weaknesses that is as debilitating as the author currently feels like making it.
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>>101436460
>faux-weaknesses that is as debilitating as the author currently feels like making it.
What the fuck are you even going on about now?
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>>101436254
Difficult=/=Weak. There being no good teleporters is not the same thing as Teleportation being a weak power. A weak power is something like Uiharu's, which has almost no combat application no matter how much plot armor the user has. Teleportation on the other hand has the most offensive, defensive, and utility applications of almost any power, the only thing it doesn't completely trump Acceleration in is mass-destruction capability. (IE smashing a wrecking ball through 10 buildings vs precise and localized attacks.)
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>>101436370
That leaves me thinking, if Accelerator can even do 11th dimension calculations subconsciously then he would be a pretty wicked teleporter.
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>>101436719
It didn't seem like that complicated of a sentence, but I guess I can break it down.


"It's really complicated" as a weakness means the author can just choose when and how weak it is at any time.
Need Kuroko to win? Oh she's teleporting everything just fine.
Need her to lose? Oh no the calculations are suddenly too complicated and she loses.

It's not a concrete rule like Water beating Fire in pokemon or something.
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Who is best Level 0 and why is it Fukiyose?
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>>101432205
The Power to makes Maidens fall in love with Him
wait that's not sealed is it?
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>>101437067
second.
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>>101436971
To simplify it further: It's just plot armor.

Literally the only thing that keeps Teleporting from being OP is plot armor. IE the same thing that allows Touma to keep winning with that fucking arm even though it's one of the worst abilities in the series.

Teleportation is one of those abilities like Time Travel that need to be bad because it would shit all over the plot otherwise.
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>>101436971
>>101437229
I'm assuming you haven't read any of the novels.
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>>101437067
Because she'll win the Toumab Owl
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>>101437229
A plot armored teleporter in Index would be the most broken thing ever, particularly because Index teleports aren't typical teleports. With that 11th dimension shit they could effectively transcend space. (and possibly time)
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>>101437379
>"Want a potato?"
>"My bra is hooked in the front"

Jesus she really wants that T doesn't she.
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>>101437309
I'm assuming you haven't, because evidently you have no clue what makes Teleporters in Index "bad".
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>>101437451
She doesn't want the T, it's just that he already unhooked a girl's bra seconds before
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>>101437451
No, actually. The only one that doesn't.

She only says that because she thought he pulled that shit on Himegami on purpose.
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>>101436846
It is both difficult and weak.

>applications
It has less uses than even simple Telekinesis. Literally, the only thing it has going for it is ignoring 3D barriers.

>Acceleration
Why are you talking about stuff you know nothing about?
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>>101436899
He doesn't do any 11-dimensional calculations. Auto-reflect is what blocks teleports.
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>>101437408
>time
That's not how it works. Time is not a spacial dimension. We're talking about euclidean dimensions here.
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>>101437466
Other than everything that's been listed up until this point, or the copypasta by Unlucky made ages ago that's outlined every fucking reason why it's shit tier? There have been tons of similar "why doesn't Kuroko just teleport spikes into ____ (usually Accelerator's) brain?' and every single time the same shit has been brought up but you apparently are writing it off as plot armour/convenience.
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>>101436971
Except it never works out that way. She can teleport just fine as long as she isn't in pain or incredibly stressed. It doesn't magically become too complicated for her, there are conditions that need to be met for it to be messed up.

It's not even unique to teleporters, as the same thing happens to Accel in NT 6.

It's like saying your aim suffering when you're in pain is plot armor.

Teleporters are shit for other reasons anyways. They can't do anything against superior speed and reactions, which most Raildex chars have.
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>>101437466
Nope. You're the one who hasn't read anything at all. You don't even know how Touma fights, you don't even know who or what his enemies are and why they are his enemies, and most of all, you don't even know how your precious teleporters perform in battles.
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>>101437826
To reflect the 11th-dimensional vector, he'd have to do the calculation. It would just be a piss-easy 11th-dimensional calculation because he only has to multiply -1 across each dimension.
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>>101437466
It's pretty clearly defined.

Teleporters need to do very complicated 11th dimensional mathematics just to move something. They can't do this if something is distracting them. Pain, trauma, and stress are the main cause of this. Kuroko can't use her abilities after getting kicked a few times by a thug or having Awaki teleport shit into her.
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>>101437899
>arguing with a "touma wins all the time with plot armor" fag

Ain't worth it mate.
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>>101437989
He doesn't calculate every little thing that gets reflected by Auto-reflect. Else he would get swamped by simply reflecting UV rays and dust particles 24/7. Auto-reflect just applies the preset calculation (*-1) automatically with not input from Accelerator himself. That's why strange stuff happens when he reflects teleports.
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>>101436355
It can get pretty weird as well.

Like when Umidori thought of the cliff as part of her body, and so it was because she thought it was.
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>>101438392
She's a cyborg, so she has that luxury (presumably, she was already conditioned to be able to do so). It's the same as accepting her two synthetic arms (and 1000 others) as her own.
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>>101438306
Even a simple preset calculation is still a calculation. He wasn't able to reflect that bullet to the brain for a reason.
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>>101437763
>It has less uses than even simple Telekinesis.
That's bullshit and you know it.

>>101438022
So you're saying that if something incapacitates a teleporter they can't use their power? Well shit, I guess literally every power that isn't "breathing" is shit too.
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>>101438736
He wasn't able to reflect that bullet because he took down Auto-reflect. Why do people never understand how Accelerator's power works?
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>>101438818
>That's bullshit and you know it.
Unabara Mitsuki. But I guess you wouldn't even know the context of this name.
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>>101438863
You can't create something from nothing. Why do people never understand how physics work?
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>>101438863
And he took it down because he needed the calculation power it takes up while active.
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>>101438818
TK is pretty hax in this series. Even the normal kind and not Accelerator's insane kind.

>“But at the point of death, he used his esper ability… Telekinesis. He changed every particle in his body into a solid block, going into a false death—maybe cryogenic stasis is a better term. Stabbing his heart was like stabbing a frozen slab of meat; no damage could be done. Not even the Spear could take him apart. I had no other ideas, so I could only tie him up and lock him in the room…”

and

>“Mm… His grades at school are indeed top of the class… but his ability is Level 4 Telekinesis, a kind of unseen power that can control objects from a distance.”

>“Does that have anything to do with his grades?”

>“Of course it does.” Mikoto crossed her arms and said, “According to that nosy Shirai Kuroko’s behind-the-scenes investigations, he actually got his grades through cheating. His method is to put a thin layer of his ability on the computer screen for the exam, feel the minute heat and radiation, and reverse-engineer the correct answer… Simply put, it’s like a stethoscope. So, his grades and his knowledge have no connection.”

>“Uwaa…” Kamijou was speechless. He had heard of a special kind of machine that could measure the slight magnetic field released to decode the electronic flow of information. But for a human to be able to achieve the same thing really surprised Kamijou.
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>>101438922
>Can't create something from nothing
I'm looking at Kakine over there. Hell, most espers. Their abilities break the laws of physics literally as the way they work.
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>>101438818
>incapacitates

9982 could still use electricity even after Accel ripped her leg off seconds beforehand.

Kuroko couldn't do calculations after being roughed up a little.
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>>101438922
All superpowers break physics.

>>101438935
Auto-reflect needs a set amount of calculating power to keep up. It doesn't increase or decrease. He took it down to free some resources and so random reflections wont interfere with his work on LO's brain.
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>>101438922
>Raildex
>physics
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this thread makes me want to read the novels. but i want to wait for the anime.
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>>101439164
>Wait for the anime
I have some bad news for you anon...
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>>101439164
Be ready to wait forever for inferior shit then
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>>101418406
What's the point, he would still steal her waifu.
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>>101439164
>waiting for shit

Hell nigga, the anime would have to get to Index V just to reach the point in the novels we are in now.
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>>101438919
I don't know why you think Telekinesis is an inflexible power, in practice it's a more flexible version of Accelerator's. (But weaker, because reasons.) Are you only capable of judging an ability based on how they appear within the series?

In the end though, it doesn't allow you to bypass the laws of physics like teleportation does.
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>>101439278
More like Index 6 at this point
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>>101439047
Why do you think everyone has the exact same pain tolerance?
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>>101439302
>Bypass the laws of physics
>Only teleporters
>Accelerator
>Kakine
>Measure Heart
>Uiharu
You mean like every Esper does? It's literally how their powers work. They replace the world's laws of physics with their own.
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>>101439302
You're not even making any sense at this point, plus you also don't seem to know how Accelerator's power works. All superpowers bypass the laws of physics.
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>>101439425
Also Mugino and Gunha. Synchotron-users (the graviton bomber), Maaya's float dial...
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>>101439404
You're grasping.
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>>101439404
Pain tolerance doesn't matter at all when you're losing loads blood from a severed leg.
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>>101439047
It's made clear teleportation is much more complicated than controlling electricity. It's even stated explicitly.

Hell, Mikoto can literally use her power by accident, she's embarrassed about it. Apparently doing that kind of thing is a taboo in AC.
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>>101437379

Kuroko is going to win da Tomato Bowl, nerd
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>>101439606
Hell, Accel was passed out with a bullet in his skull and he was still able to calculate Yoshikawas bloodflow to keep her alive.
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>>101439722
Kuroko a shit.
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>>101419355
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZqRzHnI8s
C'mon Index nuns and wizards, step up your game.
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>>101439722

Is it that time again?
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>>101439425
>>101439444
Not really, the vast majority of super powers are actually grounded in reality. "Sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic" etc. Super strength is very much grounded in physics (authors forgetting how mass works aside) as is Accelerator's power/telekinesis (apply kinetic energy in X fashion)

Telekinesis breaks physics because it allows an object to change places in space, instantly, without any of the associated energy expenditures taking place. Velocity, trajectory, (sometimes) mass, energy, all these things are completely bypassed with teleportation. Whereas kicking a truck 100mph or making a person spontaneously combust can be theoretically calculated (where the energy for these phenomena comes from is another question entirely, however) there does not exist any real-world or modern-science equivalent to the idea of teleportation.
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>>101439661

...Yes? The point from the beginning was that teleportation is less useful than other powers due to how easily disrupted the calculations are if the user is in pain. Were you following this conversation?
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>>101439901

>Dat smug Kuroko
>dat butthurt Biri
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>>101439923
No, you don't get it. Breaking the laws of physics is literally the whole point of Espers. Personal Reality and all that shit. All of them are reality warpers.

Also Kakine, Mugino, and Gunha are all breaking the laws of physics no matter how you swing it, and they're not teleporters.
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Can Misaka win against Touma if they fight? No plot armor shit.
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>>101439256
No. If Biribiri was the prize, Kuroko'd beat the shit out of him without dropping a drop of sweat.
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>>101439661
That uncontrolled discharged was caused by the effects of a people-clearing field.

>>101439923
No, they're not. There is no "super strength" in Raildex, and that's not how Accelerator's power works. You have no idea about AIM, Personal Reality, the Aeons, Magic, and phases. Please stop talking about things you know nothing about. You knowledge about other series' conventions does not and will not apply to Raildex.
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>>101439901
That's far too much of an "aniki" aura for that to be Kuroko-vision.

I'm confused.
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>>101439923
Whoops, second paragraph is meant to say "teleportation", not Telekinesis. I'm sure you guys realize that though.
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Even with the occasional retarded science debates it's always nice to see how little shit posting Raildex threads usually have, you anons are great.
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>>101439923
>the vast majority of super powers are actually grounded in reality.
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>>101440035
>No super strength
>Saints
I mean there's an explanation for their super strength, but it's still super strength.
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>>101439923
And Dark Matter isnt a violation of the conservation of mass?

And Uiharu being able to preserve a constant temperation isnt screwing with thermodynamics?

And Gunha is such a god damn mess the fucking KIHARAS dont know what to think of him.
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Where is Unlucky's copypasta?
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>>101440024
Depends on the situation mostly. Iron Sand and Lightning are useless against him, but throwing shit at him should work. Touma's sneaky bastard enough to trick her into a situation where she blows herself up or something though.
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Is Touma going to break Crowley's fucked up illusions with his right hand?
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>>101440015
>After Touma reveals her the promise he made to protect Biribiri and her world
That scene was always a Kamikoto flag more than anything else.
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>>101439901

>Doki Doki
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>>101440107
Saints aren't part of the science side, and their power is far from just "super strength". If you want to include the Magic side, superhuman abilities are not limited to just Saints. Even normal people (non-magicians) can have them. All it takes is a little Telesma.
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>>101440130

The teleport one? Here:


Lets look at Index Teleporting in terms of a gun.

Imagine you're trying to shoot someone. Easy, as long is the distance isnt too far and you have somewhat decent aim and practice.

Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving. This is harder, and requires experience and a higher degree of skill.

Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving as you are also moving. This is getting pretty damn hard at this point.

Now imagine you're trying to shot someone that's moving as you are also moving, but your gun's capacity to fire is not based off of a motor reflex, but on how fast you can calculate multi-dimensional calculations, while factoring in all of the other things such as 'leading the shot.' Also keep in mind that if the target suddenly jumps to the left (or basically does anything else outside of predicted movement) a second before you get done calculating, you cant stop, because you "bullet" is in the process of firing and you have to start over all your calculations from scratch.
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>>101440290

Further imagine all of the above, but the enemy also has a power or "firearm", and is using it against you. Only their firearm is much, much easier to use then yours, as they require a lot less calculation to fire. They can fire probably twice as fast as you can at the very least, and depending on the type of “gun” (esper power), they can also course correct their bullet on the fly just in case shit goes wrong.

Compounding on all this is the fact that you have to make sure you don't get hit while doing all this, as you cant really process simultaneous calculations (firing your power and teleporting yourself at the same time) of such a massive nature all too well. Also, if you get hit by ANYTHING or feel ANY discomfort, your proficiency in all of this drops by half. This discomfort factor effects other espers, but not nearly as much as teleporters. This is primarily the reason why Kuroko wears skimpy underwear (aside from trying to seduce her onee-sama); she feels like she is wearing NOTHING AT ALL (NOTHING AT ALL!). This prevents her from being distacted, since it would hamper her abilities alot if her panties were riding up her ass mid-battle. I would also like to bring up at this point that girl teleporters like Awaki and Kuroko can still get discomfort-nerfed monthly, depending on how bad their period cramps are. Basically, teleporters are squishy as fuck compared to most other espers.

The only thing they would really excel at combat-wise would be for assassinations, as long as the target doesn't know they are about to be attacked. Still, even with that, a bolt of lightning to the face gets the job done just as well as a needle to the brain... it’s just messier. A normalfag with a sniper rifle can accomplish what a teleporter could do there, and at a longer range to boot.

And that is why teleporters in Index are considered low tier.
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>>101440024
Stealthy controlling metallic shit and drop it on him at the most convenient moment like she did with Mugino should do it.
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>>101440290
>>101440329

Thank you
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>>101439606
>>101439584
different guy, just throwing this out there but maybe its because she was still in the mindset that she was just a doll. Maybe she overcomes that type of thing to accomplish as much as she can before the simulation is over. Not to mention, she's experienced over 10000 other deaths before. She's pretty mentally prepared for losing a limb.
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>>101440182
>It was a human wearing a green surgical gown who appeared masculine yet feminine, young yet aged, saintly yet sinful. Overall, he was an ambiguous person. He had a different type of silver hair than Index. His appeared to have lost all its color. That hair that extended down to his waist seemed to make it even harder to determine his age or sex.

>His bare feet slapped against the floor as he approached.

>“Why are you two not in class?”

>“What? Who are you?”

>“Well, it appears I am the board chairman character. I have serious doubts as to whether that qualifies as an entire category, but I must play the part as that is the part I was…ghbh!?”

>Before the mysterious figure could finish speaking, Kamijou reflexively threw a punch.

>“Gh..gbh… Wh-what are you doing?”

>“I don’t really know, but I get the feeling it will solve everything on a global scale if I defeat you here.”

>“P-please wait. I understand the desire to interfere with a secret character you never see on a daily basis. I do understand, but…bh!? But I must ask why you have so readily knocked me to the ground and climbed on top of…ghghgrbh.”

>With the board chairman character defeated, Kamijou Touma wiped sweat from his brow with a gentle look on his face.

>“Did that bring peace to the world?”

>“What? So is this how you always do things?” asked Accelerator.
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>>101440017
My point wasn't that Teleportation is the only power that breaks physics, it is that it is a power that ONLY exists outside physics. (This was partically bad wording on my part, sorry about that.) There is a distinction there. You could say that Mikoto is a reality warper, but when she can only apply her reality warping to create electricity (a physical phenomenon) the statement loses most of it's meaning. Also, I wasn't trying to argue teleportation is the only ability with no explanation in physics, (that would be silly in a series where divinity is a thing) however I was arguing that it is a difference between it and most of the esper powers in the series.

And really, this is also about practicality, which Teleportation is extremely high in. (Albeit nerfed because reasons.)

>>101440035
>There is no "super strength"
My post was partially in response to someone who generalized "all super powers". Why you suddenly think this is only a discussion of Raildex application of powers when one of previous posters explicitly stated otherwise is beyond me.
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>>101440167
I wonder why Iron Sand and Lightning wouldn't be effective gainst Touma.
For the lightning all she needs to do is alter the relative electrical charge of her target and the electrons would move naturally. The Iron Sand/Sword is physical too so Touma shouldn't be able to do jack.
Touma can't negate physical shit.
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>>101440536
Point. What about Mugino? Stabbed in the eye and her own ability destroyed an arm, but she could still use it to a degree.
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>>101440607
Pretty sure Kakine's power is still outside of physics. His power is to create a material which doesn't actually exist in the Raildex universe from nothing.

Plus Uiharu, who defies conservation of energy, and Gunha who does whatever he wants.

Mugino is an arguable case, as she makes electrons act really fucking weird.
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Why is she so best girl
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>>101440290
>>101440329
>Imagine you're trying to shoot someone. Easy, as long is the distance isnt too far and you have somewhat decent aim and practice.

>Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving. This is harder, and requires experience and a higher degree of skill.

>Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving as you are also moving. This is getting pretty damn hard at this point.

Now imagine none of these things matter anymore because your bullet doesn't have a travel time. This pasta is terrible and I'm pretty sure whoever wrote it has never handled a firearm in their life.
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>>101440650
Touma's right hand explicitly acts as a lightning rod, Biri can't do jack against it.

Touma can negate physical shit if something is actively moving it. For example the golem which was propelled by magic, the stone darts which were propelled by a TK esper, etc.

He can't do anything once something stops affecting it.
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>>101440823
Travel time is instant, calculation obviously isn't.
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>>101440823
Travel time is irrelevant in this metaphor unless the person you're fighting is fast enough to dodge bullets. For someone with human speed at close range, there's no difference between getting shot and getting hit by a laser, you're not fast enough to dodge either.
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>>101440823
>doesn't have a travel time
What series are you talking about? That's not how teleportation works in this universe.
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>>101440536
Kakine lost everything except for his brain but he was still able to use his power extremely effectively.
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>>101440738
Yeah, matter creation is certainly a violation of physics, albeit a less interesting one. However, even something like creating a rock out of thin air can theoretically be explained by breaking down oxygen into it's most basic components and assembling it as such. (You would need a fuckload of oxygen to do so though.)
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>>101440668
Unfortunately that point would only work for the clones ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I haven't read that far in the novels nor know all too much about Mugino so I'm not going to spew bullshit I think could be right about something I don't know.
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>>101440823
>Now imagine none of these things matter anymore because your bullet doesn't have a travel time

Touma negated Awakis big attack in the middle of it being teleported. Travel time is not instant.
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>>101440963
Dark Matter isn't even made out of particles.

>“Did you know, that everything in this world is made of elementary particles?”

>While saying that, Kakine retracted his wings to protect himself. When Accelerator made contact with the wings, they immediately disintegrated into countless white feathers and stopped the attack.

>“Elementary particles are things even tinier than molecules and atoms. We know that there exist gauge bosons, leptons, and quarks. There are also hadrons which are made when antiparticles or quarks gather, but, well, they're all divided into a few general categories. These elementary particles make up the world.”

>“However,” said Kakine in a soft voice, “That kind of common knowledge does not apply to my Dark Matter!”

>Boom! Accompanying gale winds, the six wings behind Kakine instantly recovered their forms.

>“The Dark Matter I create is matter that does not exist in this world. It’s not matter that hasn't yet been discovered, nor matter that theoretically exists, but rather matter which undeniably does not exist.”
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Who would best voice Gunha, if he ever gets animated?
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>>101440607
>it is that it is a power that ONLY exists outside physics
Strictly, all esper powers exist outside of physics. However, even if taking into account what you mean, you are still wrong. Teleportation is very possible in reality, and there have been experiments regarding it. Wormholes are also basically a form of teleportation, and higher-dimensional Euclidian space has been a thing for generations now. Esper powers that are completely outside physics are things like Dark Matter or Meltdowner.

>divinity
You are seriously not talking about Raildex. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
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>>101441156
Not sure Raildex teleportation counts though. According to Uiharu anyways, it's not wormholes.

Basically they just move along a different frame of reference. Rather than moving "up" or "left" they move "Sandwich."
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>>101440607
>Why you suddenly think this is only a discussion of Raildex application of powers
We are talking about Raildex. This is the context of the conversation. Any mention of "all superpowers" is within the context of Raildex. Talking about powers in the context of other series is nonsense and has no bearing at all on this discussion.
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>>101441016
>not arguing about things you don't know about

B-but thats practically the point of these threads!
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>>101440875
Yes, but I don't know why you think guns are exempt from calculation time. Sure you can fire and forget, but chances are you won't hit anything. If anything the 11th dimension nonsense is the only thing keeping teleportation from being quicker calculation, as instead of having to calculate A to B with trajectory, delay, wind resistance, and possible obstructions you're just calculating A to B.

>>101440895
>Travel time is irrelevant in this metaphor unless the person you're fighting is fast enough to dodge bullets.
>Also keep in mind that if the target suddenly jumps to the left
It sounds like you agree that the pasta is full of shit. If the target can dodge an instant teleport then they're certainly going to be able to dodge a bullet as well.
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>>101440668
Mugino is also fucking insane.
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>>101440963
Ignorantfag, pls. You don't even know Kakine, much less how Dark Matter works.
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>>101441281
>instant teleport
Go back to DBZ.
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>>101441241
They're not using actual wormholes (ie there's not tunnel), but the explanation Uiharu uses is practically how a wormhole works in the context of high-dimensional space.
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>>101441156
>Wormholes are also basically a form of teleportation, and higher-dimensional Euclidian space has been a thing for generations now
There is literally zero scientific evidence supporting this.
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>>101419849
wasn't the only way to destroy IB having touma kill himself? (rumor?)
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>>101441334
>I don't know the difference between calculation time and travel time
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>>101441445

That was Othinus' plan, yes.
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>>101441281
If the person suddenly jumps to the left and you're aiming a gun at them, you move left.

If they suddenly jump to the left and you're trying to teleport something inside them, you've got to redo the calculations for their position in three-dimensional space in relation to their position in 11th dimensional space.

Besides that we already know speed wrecks teleporters. Komaba's hard taping let him wreck Awaki's shit, and he's a huge target.

>Musujime concentrated. She gave a slight wave of her flashlight calling for 5 corkscrews that were lying on the ground nearby and moved them all at once to coordinates inside Komaba’s body.

>But…

>“…You won’t hit me.”

>There was a loud roar that didn’t sound like something that could come from a human body. Komaba zigzagged left and right down the narrow alley at a tremendous speed avoiding all of the teleported attacks Musujime sent at him.
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>>101441417
What? You don't know about tesseracts and other higher-dimensional analogues?

>>101441486
>I literally don't know how Teleportation works
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>>101441505
but it failed when wanted the D?
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>>101441597
It failed because Will-San is Best Misaka.
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>>101441597
It failed when Willsaka saved him, then her plan to just kill him and handle the next person with IB failed when she wanted the T.
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Why are you guys acting like attacks that ignore conventional defenses are rare in Raildex?
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>>101418406
>Kuroko
Who?
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>>101441522
>If they suddenly jump to the left and you're trying to teleport something inside them, you've got to redo the calculations for their position in three-dimensional space in relation to their position in 11th dimensional space.

In other words if they suddenly jump to the left you... Aim to the left?

You are describing literally the exact same thing trying to make it sound like something different. In both cases you're updating your firing coordinates in face of new information.

>Hitting a fast-moving target moving in an evasive pattern is difficult
Whoa, really?
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>>101441861
That dead girl Biribiri used to hang put with before Touma got her panties soaked.
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>>101429598
or Aliesters "toys"
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>>101441942
Ah, the lesbian stalker. Thank you.
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>>101441868
I'm saying if you have a gun, you move your arm to the left.

If you're teleporting, you fill out a dozen mental pages of equations and then you get to adjust your aim, which you hopefully don't mess up. We know this can happen, because even Awaki, the best teleporter who was on the fast track to level 5, messed up and telefragged her own leg inside the floor.

Do those really seem equivalent to you?
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>Don't like the anime
>Can't assed to read all the light novels.
Well you just can't win, can you?
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>>101442091
Oh, we learned what that incident was after all.
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>>101442320
Yeah, it's mentioned in 8, right before Accel stomps her. Then again in 15 i'm pretty sure when she telefrags herself again.
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>>101440832
>Touma's right hand explicitly acts as a lightning rod, Biri can't do jack against it.
That doesn't mean anything to Misaka since she can just alter the charge to make it go somewhere else. Besides based on the way Touma's hand works it makes more sense for the lightning to steer away from it.

>Touma can negate physical shit if something is actively moving it.
Once Misaka alters the relative charge physics would do the rest. It doesn't need constant input to achieve the effect of Touma getting zapped.

Also that golem punch thing was complete BS.
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>>101442091
I think you're exaggerating things quite a bit on both ends. First of all, it's not a matter of "just moving your hand to the left" when dealing with a moving target if you actually intend to hit them. You aim where you think they're going, and shoot when you reach there. When you lose your aim it's back to square one again. I don't see how this is any different from how you describe teleportation. If you have a full automatic you can do sweeping fire, I guess.

All we can say is that in some vague way adjusting aim for a teleporter is more difficult, but without specifics on exactly what the calculations involved are it's impossible to say to what degree. However, in a situation where computational power is a non-factor (such as with Accelerator's wings) teleportation is certainly one of the strongest powers.
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>>101442523
The golem bunch was BS when Touma does that all the time? He can block physical shit just fine.
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>>101442666
>Accelerator's wings
Accelerator's wings let you shrug off continent-destroying blasts without even using your power. It doesn't even matter what your power is at that point.
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>>101442694
Then why wasn't he able to block Accelerator's steel girders or eart tsunami with his hand? Why can't he block Acqua's sword or Kanzaki's steel wires?
Checkmate illusion breakers. Misaka wins.
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>>101442833
>Negates stone blades
>Negates momentum of water
>Negates esper TK thrown blades
>Negates golem fist
IB does what it likes.
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>>101442833
Just gonna jump in here, how the fuck do you think misaka could beat him when he beat accel twice, whatever roundabout way she would need to actually hit him in a straight up fight would be less effective than accel fucking around

Unless she blasts him in the fucking back while his guard is down I think he will be fine
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>>101442666
>where computational power is a non-factor
>teleportation is certainly one of the strongest powers
So not in Raildex, then. Again, go back to DBZ with you "instant teleportation".
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>>101442523
>>101442694
>“I really can’t stand you, how can you still smile after this situation? Did too much fatigue cause you to be so hyperactive? Anyway, I must remind you that one more step, your hand would end up with complex fractures."
>“You seemed surprised, don’t you? But this is really very likely. The human hand can do many intricate things, but as there are too many joints, it can’t withstand impact. If it’s just a simple attack, a hammer would be a lot safer than a fist.”
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>>101442965
Also drunk Touma rapes.

>Without meaning to, Mikoto sent bluish-white sparks flying from her bangs.

>She was Academy City’s #3 Level 5 and had the highest ranking electricity-type power. By making her alias of Railgun a reality at the base, she could manipulate high-voltage currents with a maximum of 1,000,000,000 volts.

>As such, the lightning spear that she accidentally fired was quite the destructive attack.

>But…

>“Funyari…”

>“W-what!?”

>Mikoto’s face paled as he evaded it with the unnatural movements characteristic of a drunk.
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>>101442833
>Accelerator's steel girders
>eart tsunami
Push vs Carry. Welcome to 2 years ago.

>Acqua's sword
>Kanzaki's steel wires
The same reason why he can't block bullets. Are you stupid?
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>>101443013
He watches too many jackie chan movies apparently
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>>101443064
No, getting drunk obviously just unlocks his true potential.

Post-NT 9 Touma needs a bottle of saki.
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>>101442949
>IB does what it likes.
It can do whatever it likes in canon but not here.
Referees have set up an anti plothole/plot armor field and Frodo is on standby.

>how the fuck do you think misaka could beat him when he...
No plot armor here Toumafag. Misaka wins.
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>>101442833
Because a steel girder flying at you is a steel girder flying at you. Accels ability only affected it on the initial touch.

The golem had magic affecting it constantly. Removing that caused it to fall apart. Same with iron sand, without Biribiri constantly holding it together, it turns back to normal and separates.

Aquas sword is still a sword without magic in it. Kazakis wires are still wires
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>>101442965
She can punch him just fine.
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>>101443134
>Implying Touma wouldn't just force himself on her.

>His fist struck her wrist from below, causing her left arm to shoot straight up. Kamijou took a step forward into the empty space this left, grabbed Mikoto’s neck with his right hand, and slammed her back into a nearby bench.
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>>101429391
>Though they're a little different in that Hamazura is better at on the fly stuff, while Touma is better at longer term planning.

Nope.

NT8:
>And thanks to this, Kamijou Touma was absurdly good at adlibbing.

>He was used to having absolutely nothing go according to plan, so the only way to reach the success before his eyes was to make his way there by adlibbing. Several times in the past…no, about a dozen times in the past…no, no, several dozen times in the past, he had made his way through unthinkable deadly battles like that. No battle had ever followed his expectations from beginning to end. Whenever he was perfectly surrounded, he would destroy it all at the root by using an unexpected method that would only work in that specific instance.

Every single one of Touma's "plans" have been on-the-spot indy ploys. No long term plan of his would ever survive first contact with the enemy, and in order to even develop a plan, he'd need to see most of the enemy's plans beforehand first, something he almost never gets a chance to do.

What Touma specializes in is analyzing the enemy's attack patterns during the battle and coming up with countermeasures immediately on the fly. Compared to Hamazura's "run and hide until I can think up a suitable strategy" angle, Touma's the Raildex king of on-the-fly indy ploys.
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>>101443044
Lightning is push. Fight me faggot.
I did 2 years ago and I'm ready to do it again.
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>>101443181
NT 5 was a long-term thing though.
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>>101443116
>The golem had magic affecting it constantly. Removing that caused it to fall apart.
His hand did get fucked up though, HC calls him out for it >>101443009
Hell, even the anime implies it (rather poorly) by slapping a huge bandaid onto the back of his hand.
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>>101443213
That came from Touma punching it. It's still rock, it hurt his hand from the force of his own punch.

Notably his hand didn't get hurt when he just held his hand out and let it hit him earlier.
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>>101443213
His hand just gets fucked up? He should've turned to paste.
The golem was robbed! IB is a fraud!
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>>101443255
Yeah, but people seem to be getting confused about the whole fight and are mixing the instance up with Kanzaki's wires and Accel flinging shit at him.
I think.
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>>101443295
Kurokp please, you lesbian jealousy of TouMANs swag is embarrassing.
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>>101443295
You were misled.

>BAM! The two fists collided with each other.

>Blood flowed out of the boy’s fist.

>But that wasn’t because of the strength of the stone golem, but because the boy had used all his strength to hit the hard and rough surface of the rock. The cannon-like hit of the stone golem had lost all its power the moment it had touched the boy’s fist. No, more accurately, it was the moment when the boy’s fist had touched the transparent membrane which surrounded the stone golem’s fist like a magnetic field.
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>dat feel when whatever the shit toumas suppressed ability is it is probably at least LV 5 or it could be a LV 6 one with the fact that the few times it has happen he literally just shits all over reality whenever the crap.
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>>101443206
That was the first and only time he ever used that sort of tactic.

And even then, he had Thor's help. Since he knew exactly where Marian was, he could freely manipulate Birdway's movements without fear of accidentally immediately directing her to Marian, a very real possibility considering his misfortune.

Hamazura's specialty is different. What he specializes is in utilizing the tools he has and maximizing their benefits. Touma can't drive cars or operate heavy firearms, but Hamazura's more savvy with that sort of thing. Touma's only tool is usually just his right hand, but Hamazura has more of his surroundings to work with. His specialty is on-site procurement and utilization.
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>>101443423
Level 6 supposedly = Magic God, and Othinus crushed his power without effort.
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>>101443335
The moment the membrane dissipated, the golem spurred by inertia would've crushed Touma and put an end to his miserable life.
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>>101443450
yeah but othinus is literally walking bullshit.
but still, its probably some high powered thing, because holy hell.
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>>101443444
Eh, I'd say he did something similar with Lessar's glove in 20, when he faked an air strike.
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>>101443460
Golem spells create magical inertia.
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>>101443499
Lessar was the one who used that glove.

That's like saying that Touma can do the same things as Hamazura as long as he has the appropriate specialist with him. That's only natural.

If Lessar weren't there, he wouldn't even have been able to drive that coach.

Touma's pretty resourceful, yeah, but Hamazura's the one who can actually use the shit he finds himself.
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>>101443460
>Reference point of the world
>Not being able to handle inertia from supernatural momentum
I laughed.
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>>101443423
You mean when he gets his hand cut off? Thats not his esper ability, its the thing IB was created to contain. Probably Chronozon.
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>>101443601
Literally all Lessar did was turn the glove on though.

Touma's the one who plotted out it's course.
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>>101443643
>tfw the power that crushed Chronozon and gave him IB back is his Esper power.
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>>101418406
>Biri's nails
Why are they so long in comparison to everyone else's?
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>>101443655
That's not the issue, here.

If Lessar weren't there, Touma wouldn't have been able to do anything.

If you put Touma in the middle of a place with a bunch of cars, he wouldn't be able to do shit. Even if he gets the idea to use the cars somehow, he doesn't know how to hotwire a vehicle, nor does he know how to drive. An idea's only useful if you're capable of carrying it out. Hamazura has both the know-how and enough resourcefulness to use that know-how.

Touma, on the other hand, is usually limited to his right fist when he's alone.
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>>101443733
There's always coffee pots.

Which I just realized is actually a Kamachi-gag because Touma always drinks coffee whenever he can. Never realized that before. Feel a bit slow now.
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Guys, guys.
What if, bear with me here, what if the number six level five has "Power swap"
They can swap the powers of any two people, including themselves with others.
Think about it. The reason they were said to be difficult to locate is because there is no single number six. The person with power swap could swap it with someone else's power (e.g. telekinesis), so the identity of number six isn't constant. The person who was the number six level five is now a level three telekinetic or whatever.
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>>101442815
That's kind of besides the point though. The main limitation of teleportation is simply the computational cost, something that some characters can handle better than others. The ability itself is very potent.
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>>101443908
So he's Rikou?
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>>101443982
I'm not really seeing the comparison. A level 5 Takitsubo cant switch powers with others, she would create or boost them.
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>>101444087
Nope.

Theoretically, a Level 5 Rikou could take Accelerator's power and give it to Hamazura. She'd be able to freely manipulate other peoples' Personal Realities at will.
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>>101444132
But she herself can't switch her own power. Thats the central point of what >>101443908
Is saying.
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>>101444168
Switching your own power would be a useless ability.

The moment you switched your power, you'd be permanently locked to that power.

Remember, as of current, Dual Skills are not possible. There are no Espers anywhere capable of having more than one power at a time.
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>>101444219
Hamazura thought Dual Skill could happen with Rikou, but who knows if he's right.

>Personal Realities were the source from which all psychic powers and phenomena were brought into the real world. If they could be controlled, it would mean more than just increasing or decreasing an esper’s level. Simply put, Hamazura Shiage could be given the power of Railgun and Mugino Shizuri could be brought down to being a Level 0. Controlling them would give one the ability to switch out powers and modify the system at will. Dual Skills would enter the field of reality. In that way, reason and skill could be ignored and ridiculous results could be created.
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>>101443908
So he's Pierce?
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>>101444280
As of current.

Theoretically, a Level 5 Rikou could create Dual Skills. However, Rikou's not Level 5. She's a Level 4. She can only, at best, strengthen other Espers' Personal Realities. She can't swap powers or create new ones.

Thus, Dual Skills are currently not possible, at all. The #6 Level 5's power is something else.
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>>101443191
Nope. All the energy in Mikoto's lightning bolt directly comes from her power. No conversion takes place.
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>>101443460
There is no inertia since it's not moving under the physical laws.
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>>101444280
I thought that the whole reasoning behind Personal Realities is that you can't affect eachothers. So in that sense you can't reduce someone elses Level because you can't change their Personal Realities, however once they manifest their abilities they can get canceled/blocked.
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>>101443908
>swap own power with a Level 0
Genius idea. Now how to get it back?
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>>101442987
Except there are cases in raildex where computational power is a non-factor. (See: Accelerator's wings)

I don't know why you're so set on bringing DBZ into this.
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I doubt Kuroko can beat Touma that easily.

To Touma, a teleporting needle isn't actually gonna be must faster than a bolt of lightning. To Touma, they're both pretty much instantaneous. He can't actually tell the difference between the two speeds. Thus, if he can dodge a lightning bolt, he can dodge a teleporting needle. All he needs to do is analyze and predict his opponent's moves.

And even if Kuroko teleported herself, it still wouldn't be an absolute victory for her. Assuming they're fighting on even terms and Kuroko doesn't ambush him with a sneak attack (because if that's how things are, then you can argue that anyone can beat Touma by getting the jump on him), then he'd be able to predict WHERE Kuroko's gonna teleport.

For instance, if Kuroko teleported behind Touma, Touma would be able to predict that and the moment Kuruko reaches her destination, she'd probably see a fist flying straight for her face.
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>>101443308
The problem is a golem made out of stone throwing a punch at him is still a huge fucking mass of rock flying at him at high speed. All that momentum doesn't just cease to exist just because IB touched it.
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>>101444856
Which is why if Takitsubo reached level 5 everything would change. She would be that theoretically broken.
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>>101445186
Actually, Touma's completely stopped the momentum of magical objects plenty of times.

There was that instance where he stopped a magic ice cannonball with his right hand and suffered no injuries.
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>>101445186
But like mentioned earlier by someone else, magic isn't part of "physics". Momentum isn't a part of magic, a golem throwing a punch is just magic displacing a rock in a certain direction, once the magic is dispeled, the displacement stops, since momentum was never a factor it won't keep going.
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>>101445186
It was being moved by magic, unlike a normal hunk of rock it works on a wonky sense of physics and the entirety of it's momentum is based on magic. remove the magic, remove the momentum
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>>101445231
While "magical momentum" is dubious in more ways than I care to retort at, I guess it's something that exists in index canon so I might as well give up.

>>101445051
It boils down to just how strong Touma's precognition is and how competently Kuroko can teleport her in response. If she can teleport herself into a position to lock Touma down immediately she can win. Touma is only human, even if he knows instantly where she teleported that doesn't mean he'll be physically capable of reacting in time unless he's secretly Jackie Chan.
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>>101445417
Touma has done some pretty insane things man, guessing where someone will teleport isn't exactly high on his list
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>>101445417
>…The eighth shot overcame the restrictions of the third dimension.
>Kamijou felt a static electricity-like spark on his spine and immediately swung his head to the side as hard as he could.
>An instant later, space suddenly split open and an arrow assaulted the world.

His instincts are way too fucking crazy for Kuroko to beat him
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>>101445417
On the other hand, if Touma can simply grab Kuroko with his right hand, then it's his victory. Kuroko won't be able to teleport.

Of course, one might argue that Kuroko might be able to sweep Touma off his feet by using a judo move, but Touma's not entirely helpless. He might not be able to beat a master Black Belt, but I doubt Kuroko's any sort of master at all.
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>>101445417
Kuroko has a one second lag between teleport uses and Touma can dodge lightning.
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>>101445506
>Touma can sense fluctuations in the 11th dimension

That's it, I give in.
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>>101445451
Yeah, but there are times where knowing what will happen simply isn't enough. A situation like being caught in the middle of a narrow hallway, and someone appears at the end of that hallway with a double barrel full of buckshot, even if you know exactly where they're going to shoot that doesn't mean it's within your physical capability to avoid getting shot.

If Touma knows where she'll appear before she even does he has a good chance, but if he only knows after Kuroko could feasibly teleport herself into a position that wins the fight immediately regardless.

If she can't do that then they'd be stuck in a lengthy game of cat and mouse until someone fucks up.
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Is Academy city a no-gun zone?
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This talk of Touma and Kuroko battling got me thinking
>Touma gives Kuroko a YOU'RE NOT LIVING YOUR LIFE CORRECTLY speech about being a lesbian
>Beats her up
>Convinces her to fall in love with him instead
>ToumaxKuroko OTP
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>>101445619
>skill out
>anti skill
>the Sisters
>Hound Dog

Somehow I dont think it is.
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>>101445681
I'm still pulling for this even though saint tits is best grill
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>>101445049
>Except there are cases in raildex where computational power is a non-factor.
Why don't you just include the entire magic side while you're at it? Accelerator's wings aren't even directly related to his power, and are a result of magic side intervention.
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>>101445593
Kuroko would probably be more likely to fuck up than Touma.

She's almost definitely not gonna win in a battle of endurance.
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>>101445850
Rensa had no problem using the wings.
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>>101445879
Do you even know how Rensa works?
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>>101445850
Magic isn't the only way to awaken him to the wings.

When Accelerator obtained to wings, he experienced a fundamental change to his Personal Reality. But magic isn't necessary for such a change.
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>>101445966
>he experienced a fundamental change to his Personal Reality
The fuck are you even talking about?

>When Accelerator obtained to wings
Here's a quick quiz for you: when did Accelerator first summon the black wings? What was happening at the time? What was he doing right before he was able to summon his white wings?



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