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>http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-21637.html

ufotable remake confirmed for Fate route.

Discuss.
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>>101394546
Actually it just says that they don't know yet which route it will take.
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>>101394704
pls be UBW
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>tfw it's a original route.
I will lick the tears of every HFfag on this board.
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>yfw it's THE route that mixes every route up
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>>101394956
>mfw it's the Ayako route
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Ufotable can't possibly recreate an adapation of the VN since Zero was much more serious in comparaison. Ufo saber lusting for Shirou would look pretty retarded.
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>Fate

FUCKING DROPPED
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>>101395071
Why did they create her again

Like seriously
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>>101394789
>original route
Ilya route incoming.
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>>101395126
Butthurt HFfag detected. You guys are more autistic than Arcfags and Gilfags.
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>>101395137
They wanted to utilize discarded Rider design.
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>>101394789
I would love an original route, mainly because we've seen 2/3 adapted and I've read through it like 10 times or someshit. Hopefully it would have more Caster.
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>>101395106

Seibah's pretty cute in any situation, though she's cutest when she's not talking at all or at least about, "muh fault for everything"
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>>101395181
EH?!
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>>101394546
thought they were writing a 4th route. Have Nasu consulting in the writers room and everything.
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>>101395212
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>>101395250
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>>101395239
They can reanimate Fate if they want, that would rustle my jimmies, but I'd be okay. But a 4th route? Nigga, please don't.
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Nothing about that say anything about it being Fate.

Especially since we all know it is new
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>>101395212
to be fair, she ordered her wife be executed to protect a lie and killed her own daughter by stabbing her through the chest with a pike. You'd feel pretty messed up too.
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>>101395232
pic related

>>101395239
No, nothing confirmed, not even a 4th route.
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>>101395344
>rustle my jimmies
>>>/v/
>>>/leddit/
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>>101394546
>ufotable remake confirmed for Fate route.
I don't want to live in this world anymore.

Goodbye, cruel world.
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>>101395382
Thanks to the Origin they changed designs.
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>>101395382
This explains all the Rider and Ayako interaction now.
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>>101395152

Please make it happen.
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>>101395472
It is called Prisma
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>>101395382
>Thus far, the scenario for the series is half-complete and work has been done on several episodes. The scenario has been written to preserve the feel of Fate/Stay Night co-creator Kinoko Nasu as much as possible. Nasu himself is present every time the scenario writers meet and provides a great deal of background information. ufotable are trying to incorporate as much of this information into the show as possible, a lot of which wasn’t included in the original.
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/28/new-fatestay-night-anime-serious-like-fatezero/#ivezUtplpIFTh6ez.99

Apparently new material will be in there regardless. Though yeah, no word on route.
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1) Heaven's feel adaptation, with multiple edits to fix pacing.
2) Original/Illya route.
3) Proper UBW adaptation.
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>>101395587
4) Fate/Extra.
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>>101395535
Second season when?
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>>101395630
Maybe if ufotable does well with all 3 routes and FH/A. Otherwise unlikely.
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>>101395652
This summer
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>>101395652
Most likely summer.

>yfw no one bothers to scan the full spread from the latest TM Ace.
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I just hope it isn't Heaven's Feel. Nasu would probably get ufotable to sugarcoat it with more Sakura in it and tell them to write her differently as some long winded apology.

>>101395630
Give it to SHAFT. CCC had huge amounts of fanservice plus they did the animation for the OP them. So I would give the job to them.
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>>101395587
I can only dream.
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>>101395790
>>101395838
Sweet.
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>>101395904
To Shaft...? I'm okay with that. Extra is basically Fate/service, so, they can work on that.
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>>101395838
>>yfw no one bothers to scan the full spread from the latest TM Ace
I, too, wouldn't scan a pic with that horrible dogface they drawn Ilya with.
Also summer is unlikely. F/SN is coming out in fall, too much Fate shit at once is unhealthy for sales.
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>>101396056
It was promised for 2014
Spring is the earliest and we haven't heard anything about it

Won't be winter 2015 either as fate will be 2 cour and like you said it would effect sales.
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>>101396415
>It was promised for 2014
For real? Is it in the TM Ace?
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>>101396415
They are holding a fan event on April 13th, we might see an announcement+ trailer then.

http://prisma-illya.jp/portal/archives/981
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Huh. This might be interesting.
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>>101395374
she ordered her wife killed? how does that work? she was lesbian or sumethin?
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>>101395212
She barely talks about any of that though. Shirou is always bringing it up.
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>>101395152
we are not that lucky
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>>101396664

She temporarily had a magical dick.

Don't ask.
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>tfw it will be the harem route
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>>101395374
>to protect a lie
What do you mean? The affair with Guinevere and Lancelot was exposed, so the punishment at that time was death. I don't know what Saber could've done other than faked Guinevere's death, or just tried to change the law directly, though that would've made her look like a wishy-washy king.
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>>101395071
A man can dream.
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>still no new info about tsuki
>still no new apocrypha chapters translated
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>>101399484
Sacchin route is scrapped.
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>>101399761
prove it.
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>>101395581

>Fate
>Brazzers summoning Cu
>Getting killed is a plot twist
>Cu vs servant battles included
>Archer vs Berserker
>Caster and co vs Berserker

>UBW
>Flashbacks to Emiya's past during his fight with Shirou

>HF
>Shadow vs Medea + Kuzuki
>Sasaki vs shadow

Most of the fate stuff could also be added in if they did other routes
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>>101399484
From the rumors that are going around the last volume of Apoc is supposed to be the same size as the first 3 put together so expect delays
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>>101399173
Because Saber didn't care who her wife had sex with. It's not like she was using it, other than for heir producing purposes. If anything, she was relieved by not having to worry about her. The only reason she had to execute her was for the sake of appearances.
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>>101395630
>implying Shaft won't snatch that up
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>>101395382
jesus christ how horrifying
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>>101399929
They didn't include her remake pictures in TM Ace 9. Unlike others.
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This is all the world needs. More Fate/Shit.

Oh well can't be worse than the last one. Or that movie.
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>>101402734
>not wanting Shiki as a servant
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>>101402459
>It's not like she was using it, other than for heir producing purposes
>If anything, she was relieved by not having to worry about her
Well yeah, Saber couldn't actually reproduce without Merlin's magical assistance, so there's no point worrying about who Guinevere slept with.

But Saber had the death sentence done mainly because it was what the law required, and not just done to conceal the fact that she was a girl. Saber was distraught over the situation anyways.

Besides, I'm sure some very close knights realized that the king was a girl. What kind of person stays like 5 foot 1 and weighs 80 pounds for 10 years? And I'm sure the king had to bathe at some point in time.
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>>101403077
>wanting shiki
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>>101404117
>not wanting Shiki
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>>101404490
>Sticking your dick in crazy.
Anon, she would probably orgasm while killing you.
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>>101405230
>not wanting to hold crazy's hand first in order to develop a mutual love with crazy so you can safely stick your dick in crazy without being mutilated
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I'm disappointed it's not a Fake adaptation
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>>101405494
>Fake
This was a surprisingly good read, im glad this got translated.
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Is it finally time for the Illya route?
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>Type shit month and shit mushroom Tsukureyo quickly sequel of "night witch" Because good
>I can not help but inspire a question to management policies of the company

Seeing google translated versions of bait is pretty funny
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>>101406284
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>>101404083
Because she stopped aging when she drew the sword, and in FHA she says she never undressed and swam because she couldn't expose herself as girl.
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>>101395071
Nah, man. It's going to be the Taiga route, just you wait and see. ;_;
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>>101406361
Who the fuck makes a gif less than a single 1MB in size? Jesus.
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>>101405342
>safely
>Type-Moon female

You fucked up.
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>>101406751
If the Jackhammer can do it, anybody can do it.
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>>101406535
I know who does, tumblr.
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>>101406790
>40 canon bad ends
>dies in the majority of them

Sasuga Machine Man.
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>>101406751

Mikiya managed
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>>101407289
Because Mikiya is a madman.
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>>101407146
You don't see any of those deaths caused by Taiga, further proof that she's the best girl.
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>>101400088
Upon reading back it's a bit obvious that True Assassin was the one who killed Kuzuki while Caster could do nothing but watch.

Shirou even says he feels for just the slightest moment that something is still watching them when they get there, and Shadow cannot hide it's monstrous presence which warps the world.
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>>101407289

>Ryougi

Did Mikiya take Shiki's name or is she being like Azaka and is trying to put distance between them so he'll see her as a woman and not his daughter?
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>>101407799
Caster also confirms that she didn't kill him, but if she knew it was going to end this way it would have been easier if she had. Saber just took it to mean she did it anyway and killed her outright.
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>>101407289
>lost an eye

Managed is the right word.
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So when will we get a VN version of Fate/Zero with Waver as the MC with Rider, Kayneth, and Gilgamesh routes
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>>101408351

It's not Shiki's fault one of the crazy people he keeps attracting finally turned on him. Besides, she killed the shit out of Leo for messing with her man
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>>101408570
Never. Instead you should enjoy that cellphone VN with Saber as MC with Gil, Lancer and Kerry routes.
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>>101408570
>Kayneth route
For what purpose
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>>101408699
>Unlimited Wheel Works
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>>101408699
You'll never understand, Taiga, because you never had a route.
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>>101408699
>Kayneth near death, waver holding him in his arms
>I... just wanted you to prove me wrong, that's why I was so hard on you...
>Waver starts crying, holding his old professor tight in his arms as the life leaves his body
>...and all I wanted as for you to be proud of me for once...

It basically writes its self.
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>>101409102
Except it doesn't, you gayblade.
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>>101405978
Berserkers masters cameo was a nice touch in Apoc
>Asks Volumen Hydragyrum out on a date

Im pretty sure you could catch somthing from fucking mercury.
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>people still think it's going to be HF
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>>101395212
why does her head look so big in this particular picture
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>>101409264
Not even that anon, but it does.
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>>101409521
E-Emiya-kun...
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>>101409520
Wait, he was in Apocrypha. When?
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>>101409732
Volume 3, Waver is talking to Kayneths sister, then your man pops in all jolly as he is and asks Mercury on a date .

Waver fucks him out
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>>101409521
Wanting the series to finally be fully adapted and not just cover the first route again was just a dream within a dream to begin with here. Not once will we ever see the climax that actually reveals the truth behind this twisted ritual ever animated here.

It's like wishing for Kohaku's route animated since that's the one where it all comes into place, but you just know it'll never happen because you can't beat the main girl to begin with and you'd somehow need to work in Hisui's route which just would be too much work for most studios to figure out how it should work. So if they ever do the Tsukihime Redo anime one of these days we all know we're guaranteed an Arc route here, and at best the only reference we'll get to Kohaku is a brief nod that she exists at all and maybe a scene of Shiki drinking coffee in the park.
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>>101410144
Nobody's adapting Fate route, m8. No need to worry.
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>>101410144
Still think the best possible way to do it would be 5 movies. If they all were Paradox Spiral in length they would be amazing.

To save on costs they could reuse animation for the scenes that are identical in certain routes.
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>>101395904

>Nasu
>apology for HF

So you're that anti-Sakura/HF poster that keeps popping up. Could you go back into your corner and be quiet already? No one is going to swallow your tripe.
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>>101409929
Whats Kayneth's sister's name?
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>>101411242
Reins or somthing like that
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>>101410890
>that
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>mix of all three routes
>it is somehow not terrible

I believe in nasu and ufotable.
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Granted we don't know about his NP yet, but him vs gil who would win ?
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>>101410890
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So despite being a LONG time lurker I never took any interest in the Fate series.
Are the games any good / easy to translate?
Or should I just watch the show?
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>>101411877
You should use Google.
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>>101411620
There comes a stage when we all must face the truth
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>>101411962
WHAT THE FUCK
NO
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>>101411877
If you have no interest in the rest of the series, you could just watch the show, but you'd be losing a lot of the story.
If you have hundreds of hours to spend, read the VN and after that watch Fate/Zero and then go on from there.
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>>101412325
>hundreds of hours to spend
Jesus Its not THAT long....
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>>101412325
>>101412422
I fucked up. It's around a hundred hours, not hundreds of them.
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>>101411877
Read the VN, it'll be about sixty hours but anything else in regards to the main-line story will just be shit in comparison and waste your time.

Fate/Zero anime was designed to be stand along so that's also an option, but you'll miss some of the references and some things will be spoiled from the main game early on.

Then there's Apocrypha, Extra, and Ataraxia.
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>>101411962
I didn't want to know this
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>>101412290
>>101412625
You guys seriously didn't know that yet?
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>>101411540
Depends.
Gils ranged spam is superior by a long shot but Chiron is strong enough at melee to give a Saber a run for their money. Also depends if Chiron isn't nerfing himself in human mode and if Sagittarius is in the sky.
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>>101411962
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>>101412881
Even if he can push Saber back a bit he was fucked up in the same moment, and he's pretty much fully divine.

How is it a contest?
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>>101412881
With wisdom of the gods he could arguably give himself protection from Arrows. I mean at A rank Gils weapons should just be avoiding him
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>>101411962
Wh-what?
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>>101395212
You're the worst type of saberfag.
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>>101413009
or wait, was he fully undivine at the moment since his wish had something to do with that or does that still count?
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>>101413073
>>101413009

See >>101411540
He's C rank divinity
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>>101410144
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>>101413183
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>>101394789
>yfw taiga route
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>>101413183
>>101413252
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>>101413157
C-rank Divinity and B-rank Strength are what Iskandar had; it was enough for Enkidu.

Sure, Rider was wounded at the time, but it's ludicrous to believe that this guy is going to defeat Gilgamesh when we don't even know his NP.
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>>101411962
Never!
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>>101413336
Centaur mode might increase his super powers enough to break shit

Since he has lesser divinity and his true form will raise his stats quite a bit. If Hercules can do it with that level of power and divinity then it should be possible as long as you have more power than divinity.
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>>101413336
>Wisdom of the gods
the guy could give himself Monstrous strength, Natural Body hell even a low rank madness enchant to boost his strength.
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>>101413626
From what I'm hearing, isn't this ability just Emperor's Prerogative in another form?
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>>101413729
Yes but better cause he can use it on others.
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>>101413729

>Imperial Privileges (Skill)

>The skill of Red Sabre.
>The acquisition of skills that one should not possess in a short period of time, due to personal wishes.
>Skills available included Riding, Swordsmanship, Artistry, Charisma, Military Tactics, etc. With A rank or above, alteration of the corpus (Divinity etc) was possible.
>It could be said to be the ultimate unfair advantage, but it could also be called a form of vanity.
>The Roman Emperor was no different from Gods. All skills converged at Rome... no, converge at the Emperor. If the Emperor called white black, then it was black.
>However, even so, one could not acquire skills without basis. Since Sabre was a polymath with ample curiosity, she had experience in most of the skills.
>Let's say one day Sabre decided "I can pilot a jet! It is nothing, just adjust the plane according to altitude, not too different from the jet chariot I invented!" And just like that, she would figure out how to pilot the plane.
>.... but because of her short attention span and headache, she would soon forget what she learned.
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>>101413305
>A quarter of the way in, the entire show becomes a flashback from Taiga about her her family's rise through the ranks of the Yakuza
>Shirou and the HGW don't even show up past episode 6
I could dig it.
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>>101413729
Emperor's perogative can give Saber ANY skill

Wisdom of the gods is limited to generic skills. (Basically stuff that somone could learn, Galvinism for example can't be used, nor can emperors perogative)
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>>101413358
Heroic Spirit Emiya is the best. I cried like a bitch at the end of UBW when he smiled so widely.
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Issei route confirmed?
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>>101413837
Nah, it's more interesting if

Kiritsugu left his magic bone bullets with Taiga's family along with his other mage fighting stuff, then the mafia joins Shirou to take down servants to protect this quiet town. Mafia takes down Rin who claims dominion over the city as it's guardian to say to the Association "Stay out of our city magic types". Then it starts playing out like a neutral ending in SMT as humanity pushes both other fractions away.

I have no idea how that idea went off track that fast, but that's where we ended up.
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>>101413776
It's not better. It's more restricted.

He has the tools to piss off Gil, but without knowing his Noble Phantasm, he's not getting far.
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>>101414294
>Mafia takes down Rin who claims dominion over the city as it's guardian to say to the Association "Stay out of our city magic types".
The Mage's Association doesn't give two fucks about Japan. Also, Shirou just went full superhero and is hunting down everyone in your organization for killing Rin.
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Despite the fact he decided to jew his master , his NP was pretty swag. i have no idea why it's not EX ranked
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>>101414686
Remember the Caster from Fate/Prototype? Now that was OP
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>>101414501
Then Rin can join the Anti-Magus army after they send storm troopers into Fuyuki in order to cover up a certain incident that leads to magic being discovered by the populous. The Fate crew joins together to take down the Association before they are killed instead.

That's the truth about Taiga route

Secret routes are always the most bullshit; just look at Sacchin's route involving Arc/Shiki/Sacchin vs Nero/Full Roa at the school while Kohaku builds and Anti-magic canon on the Tohno Mansion as it's just all out chaos. Sacchin is able to take down Nero using her RM which she figures out how to use in time after Shiki gives her mana, and the rest is pretty much unknown at this point.
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>>101414785
Rin joins the mafia with Shirou, Taiga, Sakura, Rider, Saber, and the rest of them to stop the Assosiation anyway. Maybe they'll also go after the Enizebern's while they're over there, free Ilya, and take over Europe.
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>>101414785
>storm troopers
They don't have those, they have the 30-40 Enforcers who are all fucking overpowered and competent.
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>>101415018
As long as the masters still have a couple servants on hand they should have a shot against most things, as very few humans can really stand up to a servant. I'm sure some of the Association can though, but will they really send those people at the first mark here? Even Bazett who can kill servants could mostly only do it because of her infinite lives cheat going on.

We know Fate crew would pretty much be fucked if they made enemies like this here for one reason or another, which is why there's some interest involved. It's an uphill fight for reasons we can't even guess, but as they discover one last trump card in their arsenal they realize there is still one chance for victory left.

Taiga finding out about magic is the core incident that leads to shit going out of control, as it somehow ends with others finding out. Hm, might help to keep Bazett alive for that scenario as well since she knows the trouble they'd be getting into there, and could help plan against it.
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>>101414767
I'm pretty sure they never showed the Caster from Prototype.
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>>101415863
It was supposed to be medea.... i think he's refering to the argon coin and the whole dragon summoning shenanigans.

Which is weird because Avicebrons NP is better despite being a lower rank
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>>101415863
I meant Strange
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>>101416130
According to Nasu the dragon Caster summons is weak; so she would only be bumped up from weakest servant to mid tier at best.
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>>101416130
It is technically better, but to be fair, Avicebron's NP took months to complete.
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>>101416276
Oh Dumas. The army of NP wielding police officers is silly but effective.
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Yukika route when?
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>>101416716
Who?
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>>101416512
Man fake was awesome, the main character was actually kind of balanced when you think of it
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>>101416779
The moest. Read ataraxia.
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>>101417016
I read it.
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>>101417016
Speaking of HA

>TL is at 100 again
>Probably all machine translations again
>If not it'll probably take at least another year for validation
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>>101416933
I wish they would do more with it. I wanna see Gil boss around that native american girl, I forget her name.
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>>101417276
It's not machine translations or spammers, but it probably will take a hell of a long time for validation.
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>>101417363
It's not machine translated, but many people did the job, so the style will be even worse than fate's translation's.
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>>101394546
>link says they are going for a mixed route in collaboration with Nasu

>"ufotable remake confirmed for Fate route discuss"

average 4chan quality thread
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>>101417276
>>101417363
>>101417429

Once they finally release it I'm going to bet we are going to see a lot of "What the fuck is this shit" posts on here with a screencap of some shitty translated dialogue. The entire thing is probably a mess.

i don't really care, i just want to finally read it
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>>101417645
People would shat on it even if it was the best ever written and translated.
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>>101417645
I don't think it will be quite that bad, but I'm expecting a lot of scenes that make sense on their own, but have discrepancies when connected to other scenes. No "Why did they translate 'Lancer' as 'Spearman'?", but lots of "Why does it say 'mollusk' here when last time they spoke it was clearly 'salmon'?"

I don't really care either, though. If I cared about it that much, I'd just learn moon.
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>that feel when original story but still no Man-Saber
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>>101418131
No one wants a male Saber.
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>>101418295
Personally i want Fergus Mac Roich
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>reading last half of thread
>filled with fanfic drivel
>the small shitty town of insertfaggot Type-Moon fags
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>>101418295
Shirou does.
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>>101418413
I see about two posts about Taiga's hypothetical route, but that really isn't "The entire thread is filled with fanfic drivel".
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>>101413626

>Monstrous Strength

Bad idea. Why do you think Medusa rarely uses it? Sure, you'll be strong, but then you'll become a drooling ogre.

Man I wish we could see her transform though.
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>>101418873
>Astolfo doesn't have it as well
It's just in Medusa's case here it makes her go gorgon...if anything in chirons case it would make him turn centaur if nothing else
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>>101418873
That only applies for Medusa for the most part
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>>101418295

I disagree
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Fucking hell is anyone ever going to upload the Fate/Kaleid character songs properly? The only ones that are up on nyaa sound like fucking shit.
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>>101418408
I've never got that, Caladbolg is literally supposed to be a Zwei hander and yet its a damn short sword in UBW and in the anime.

What the dilly oh
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>>101419708
Archer approved modifications. That's why it's Caladbolg II.
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>>101419708
Archer uses Caladbolg II, not Caladbolg

He warped it to become an arrow by changing the shape and form entirely. It may have lost a bit in the process, but the power is still there and in addition it's gained some bonuses for being a long range weapon now.

However you can see that the original blade is just twisted around itself in order to become aerodynamic. That's one of the two weapons that Archer knows inside and out well enough to have altered the original in order to suit his own ends.
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>>101419601
Why would one ever need trash like character songs?
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>>101419601
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms831CTa2wo
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>>101419987
Because Rin sings one of them. SURGE MY FLAME is awesome.
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>somebody tweeted "Kotomine Rin" sprite edit to Jouji Nakata
oh god
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>>101421934
FUCKING SHIT ON A FUCKING STICK WHY
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>>101411540

Not a contest.

Wisdom of the Gods is incredible, yes, and future sight thanks to EotM+Clairvoyance makes him broken as hell, but he's no Gil.

Enkidu's always a good stand-by, but as we don't know its limits regarding Divinity:STR let's pretend Gil doesn't use it.

Anything Chiron has, Gil has. Chiron can see the future thanks to his personal skills? Gil has an NP that lets him see the future, and his does it better. Chiron has access to every generic skill in the book? Gil has an NP that functionally grants Imperial Privilege. Serious!Gil against any Servant isn't a contest, because he has the origin of anything and everything they have. Thanks to CCC, he even has things like Avalon and Arondight, he just doesn't know he has them.

Honestly, if Gil wants to end it quickly he could just pull out the original hydra arrow, strap some other NP that gives it the concept of never missing, and let it fly. Even if Chiron uses WotG to get Protection from Arrows, it and skills like that fail against "great Noble Phantasms", and Gil has a lot of those.

Gil vs any Servant = Gil victory, that's just the brunt of it. There can be some weird exceptions if we bend the rules a little (read: a lot) a la Moon Cell shenanigans, but Chiron doesn't fit the criteria.

That said, god Chiron's strong.
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>>101422896
Then again, if we assume non-serious Gil, then yeah, maybe. Hard to say when we don't know how below 100% he'd be fighting at. Him and his arrogance.
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>>101422970
Gil would see the horse tail and start busting a gut.
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So I just finished the VN and now I feel empty inside. I guess I'll watch the anime so I can see how bad it is.
Also, should I read the Fate Zero LN or was the anime adaption good enough?
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Will Shirou have a happy ending in Prisma Illya?
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Here is some Mordred flashback
───It was an uncomfortable dream.

Mother whispered into my tender ears:
"My dear son, become a knight and overthrow our king. As my son, you have a right to the throne. However, should the king knows of this now, he will surely...... Therefore, for now we must lie low; for now we wait."

I don't want to hear
Noises appear.

I don't want to hear
Ill will emerges.

I don't want to hear
I wish to ignore them.
An artificial life, born of a twisted lineage; I grow faster than others, age faster than others, and shall die faster than others.
While those innocent children are frolicking about in the village, I am already practicing the art of swordsmanship ─── yet we are of the same age.
By the time they reach adulthood, I shall have already withered and passed away.

I admire them. I envy them. I hate them.
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>>101423866
So I swore to become a being that surpasses mankind; I must outpace them.
It was given that I shall be superior to everyone else.

Led by Mother, I gazed at the figure of the king from the dark.
Valiant. Calm and determined, like steel.

"That is your target. The enemy that must be defeated. The king that must be overthrown."

Impossible, I thought.
Because the king was so perfect.
His decisiveness. His swordsmanship. His tactics. No matter which aspect you look at, he was only too perfect.

Therefore I gave up defeating the king, although this means I must betray Mother. I decided to join him, to become his blade and cleanse the filth.

───I will become a knight.
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>>101394546

Isn't the original anime that we pretend doesn't exist the Fate route? Even if it sucks, I don't think Ufotable would do that, since it would come off as an insult to the studio that made it (I think it was Deen).
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>>101423938
......The end came quickly. From Mother, whose plans I thwarted, I knew of my true birth.

I was not the child of Morgan, enemy of King Arthur. Although I did not understand the exact method, I was his clone, his true son.

I was overjoyed. The King of Knights that I so admired actually had such a close relation with me. I was the only knight that inherited his blood.

───That is to say, I am the only one qualified as the successor of the King of Knights.

I told King Arthur everything. The reasons that I had the right to be his successor, every single one of them. The king did not change his usual attitude and told me coldly,

"───I see. Although it was due to my sister's treachery, you are indeed of my blood. However, I do not consider you my son, nor do I intend to pass to you the crown."

To speak of the crown was admittedly too hasty. The choice of a successor need not be made in a moment.

However, he did not consider me his son.
Those words wounded me deeply. Deeply.

That should have been the precondition for everything.
I believed that, this at least, he will be willing to accept.
Even if he cannot admit it in public, due to the problem of succession, I could understand.

In a conversation with just the two of us, he would have told me his true feelings. He would praise me, the son he was so proud of. That was all I asked───

"───You say you do not consider me your son, King of Knights."
I murmured.
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>>101424032
The king who turned his back never expressed any care to his knight. He simply left.
My voice, filled with hate, contained spite to a degree I never experienced in my life.

But after I gave it some thoughts, I realized that this was a matter of course. A child created by his enemy, Morgan, by force. Who would admit that it was his own?
To the king, I was but a curse.

After that, I was placed the least among the knights. My excellence was not appreciated. My enthusiasm drew envy. My efforts were ignored.

Only because I was made by Morgan───just because of that was I never forgiven!

"Very well. I shall make you regret those words."
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>>101424112
I made my decision then. Let hatred change myself. Depreciate everything my father had done. Be they the fruits of politics or warfare; everything that the king spent ten years to acquire, I shall make them worth nothing.

The king will hate me───that cannot be helped.
The king will punish me───let him, if he can.
The king will pay attention to me───if I can see him face to face, I am willing to sacrifice everything.

The long war for Britain drew to an end. After overcoming many difficulties, the nation shall become one under the rule of the King of Knights.

Warfare brings glory to the knights, but misery and poverty to the poor. As such days neared its end, discontent grew.

The king dealt with such matters without a change in his countenance. However, I knew that he must have felt great sorrow in his heart───yes, just imagining that made me smile in content.

The adultery of the Queen, Guinevere and Sir Lancelot of the Lake, a peerless man.
The one who made this affair escalate out of control was no other───it was I.

Rumors saying the king was unfit to rule appeared, especially concerning the incident with the queen. Even as I conspired with the knights disaffected with the king, I served him loyally.

It must have been bitter to the king. The knight who claimed to be his son was loyal to him even now.

Ah───his face full of gloom, as if right in front of my eyes. Thus, King Arthur made his first and last fatal mistake.

To punish Sir Lancelot, the knight betrayed him, King Arthur decided to lead an expedition to France. I was of course ordered to stay behind and command in his absence.
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>>101423626
Well Kirei is still alive in Miyu's world and Miyu's Shirou is slowly turning into some kind of EMIYA, they can relive HF fisticuffs abortion debate and both will REJOICE.
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>>101424189
The king named me regent and set off for France. To fight against the Knight of the Lake that he trusted in the past, how depressed must that have made him?

I estimated that the war against France───against Lancelot will be bogged down, so I immediately declared the news that King Arthur died in battle. In an emergency council, I made others accept the fact that I, the regent, was qualified to be king.

I retrieved from the vaults the symbol of kingship, "
Clarent
The Brilliant Sword of the King
" and held my coronation at Canterbury. Although it was only in form, I still became king.

After that, I proposed to Guinevere.

"Why do you speak of such foolish things?"

To the cold Guinevere, I laughed and said,

"The ones who are really foolish are you two, with your fake marriage."

I took off my helmet as I mocked them. Her frozen look in that instant was unforgettable.

The proposal had never been serious. However, the king's hatred towards me would grow. That is fine; hate me, spite me; hate me even more.

Of course, the deceit was seen through quickly. King Arthur arrived back at Britain from France.
Normally, I should have been killed when the lie was discovered. Although I was given command, I would surely be punished for making such a mess. However, those who were coerced, enticed or persuaded by me all stood at my side without exception.
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>>101424276
It might partly be that my words were very persuasive.
However, the fundamental reason was that the people harbors discontent towards the king.
As for why, it was probably that the king was absolutely reasonable, absolutely cold; no matter who it was, he can discard them if necessary.

They said that, compared to the king, I was a more humane knight.
There has to be a limit to their foolishness.
I have never held affections towards any person other than myself.
Humans are beings that are no good besides talking.

Be they innocent children or adults, this is not changed.
If you throw in a piece of meat, they will start fighting for the spoils.

I did not slaughter humans only because I had no hatred towards them. Although they are to me but swarms of insects, I do not hate them.

Therefore I picked whatever strategy I wanted to pick. I acted without considering those who followed me.
But strangely, I was said by people to be more like a human.

───The king who wanted to save every single person was denounced as not understanding their feelings.

───I, who never considered saving anybody, was praised for understanding them.

Laughable.

I did not betray him for any of you, but for me alone.

If you want to follow me, so be it. I will not waste any time on you. I am not interested in you, who abandoned the king who took every care for you and flattered me.

Thus, the last war began.
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>>101424393
Although the battle of Dover was lost and the enemies landed, we slew the exhausted Sir Gawain.

After some skirmishes, I finally stood against the king on the hill of Camlann.
At this moment, the fate of the nation shall be decided, no matter who is the victor.

Even then, the king was calm.

I repeatedly called my father's name on the battlefield. Every time, his soldiers would surround me and I would scatter them.

I killed, I killed, then I killed. I cannot help but wonder why things turned out like this.
From others' points of view, this must be very boring and very foolish───I do not care.

As Mother prophesied, I became the one who doomed the kingdom───I do not care.

I engulfed the entire nation in warfare just because of my own hatred───I do not care, I do not care, I do not care!

"AR───THUR───!!"

The King of Knights finally responded to my call───thus, the final duel began.
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>>101424479
......The victor had been determined.
The king's holy lance pierced my breastplate.
This was my defeat; no, rather, it was my victory.

After all, everything that the king has, I have reduced to nothing.
So, look at me, hate me. Curse my name, let hatred twist your face, and howl.

But, even to the very end, the king had refused to acknowledge my existence.

He turned to leave after ascertaining my demise with his emerald eyes. Without a word, without a tear, and without hate.

That was when I understood.

───Ah, indeed.
───They were right.
───The king does not understand his people.

I admit the king was perfect even to the very end. However, that was precisely the source of my hatred. O perfect king, even if you are perfect, your reign was a failure.

If I were to rule, I would have been able to accomplish it. Where the king failed, I shall succeed.
Father, if you are the perfect king, then I will certainly surpass you.
Ah, just give me one more chance. Just once more, give me the chance.
As the king did, let me draw the sword of selection.
Just, once more───
The end
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>>101424564
Delicious Daddy issues.
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>>101424741
That severe case of butthurt of daddy doesn't care about me.
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>Mother whispered into my tender ears:
"My dear son, become a knight and overthrow our king. As my son, you have a right to the throne. However, should the king knows of this now, he will surely rape you and force you to bare his children. Therefore, for now we must lie low; for now we wait."
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>>101424820
but girls can't rape girls
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>>101424874
Merlin can make Saber grow a futa cock.

http://exhentai.org/g/573129/eec799e786/
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>>101424741
>told Saber everything
>Saber won't even acknowledge her.
Mordred's right; Arturia got what she deserved.
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>>101425267
>Hey Arthur, I'm your son cloned from you by your sister and raised to destroy your kingdom, but I think your awesome and I wanna help you instead.
>Fuck you kid, your not my son.

Saber really was a dick.
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>>101422896
>Thanks to CCC, he even has things like Avalon and Arondight, he just doesn't know he has them.

That's not how shit worked in CCC; Gil is stated to have the origins of human shit from his day and age. They even included a cheat that Mankind's ideals have not changed since then, so of course they had planes and shit back then" but he only has the origin, he only has things from his age even if it's the origin of human knowledge, he doesn't have things connected to a different source or from a different humanity so shit that was gifted by the gods or Faeries are not his since they aren't pieces of humanities knowledge. Just read this quote to get how it works.

>That which Gilgamesh stored, rather than being treasure, is "the origin of the intelligence of mankind" itself. If it does not exist in Gilgamesh's treasury, then it is "something produced by a new breed of humanity, according a completely new concept," "something made from the technology of the culture born from the intelligent life from another heavenly body," one of the two.
>For that reason, of course he has airplanes and submarines. The desires of the people from before Christ are not different, and it would not do for the crafts of ancient times when magic was in good health to be inferior to the crafts of the modern age. People generally realize the "tools of hope" that they dream of, and each time that occurs, it ended with them being confiscated by the king's hand.

Avalon and Arondight are creations from another heavenly body, they are not creations of mankind, he does not have them. That's not how it works. This is the reason why he wanted all of Karna's NPs in CCC since he did not already have them in his vault, but if he had added them then it would have been his, which is probably how he got anything we can assume is already divine in his collection. However the only things naturally in his vault are things he picked up from his travels, and the origin of shit humanity makes.
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>>101415018
don't a bunch of enforcers get fucked by F/E Lancer?
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>>101425628
Yes and it was F/A version of Vlad
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>>101424564
Even in Fate route flashbacks Arthur basically confirms that she never saw much of anything in Mordred; there was no love, no hatred, just "Oh, so you claim to be my offspring is it?".

Mordred was a cliff-note upon a cliff-note to Arthur, not something even worthy much attention compared to the Kingdom itself. That's kind of Saber's flaw as a king; she did not understand or connect with her people, she denied all human emotions to be a great king but those human emotions she denied may have saved it instead.
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One of the better servants
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>>101426354
But that is not Saint George
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>>101426422
I know, he's even better

Guy is one of the more legendary figures in the Bible, has some broken NPs, and generally seems to be a fun guy.
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>>101426354
Fluffy Archers 1 and 2 are way better than David.
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>>101425566
I've been wondering, does Gil have anything like Kanshou and Bakuya? Not the shape or design, specifically, but the "Kill all Monstrous entities with one strike" ability bearing items?

I sort of doubt it, since Kanshou and Bakuya had a unique creation story and if he did have them couldn't he have struck down Bluebeard with one strike?
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>>101426725
Of course, there are a near infinite amount of NPs under his command, and you do run into a lot with similar abilities. For example even Lancer has a special Rune that will target Monsterous entities to give very special damage to them.

There are a number of swords that claim to be "Unbreakable", and of course there's probably far more than claim to "Be effective against monsters" since that's all people fought in a lot of myths.
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>>101426851
Then I really don't understand his behavior in FZ.
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>>101426725
>>101426851
Also the reason he didn't feel like fighting Blue Beard was literally because he didn't feel like it there, he was never serious against that thing. He made light of it with four mountain breaking NPs, but even that was just him screwing around because he was insulted Tokiomi even wished for him to fight that thing, and especially when he asked him to use Ea.

He could have killed it easily, but he was just not going to bother when instead he saw it as a chance to test the other refuse that called themselves heroes.
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>>101426934
He could have easily killed Caster, he just didn't because Tokiomi was the one asking.
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>>101394789

HFfag here and i would love a new route. Who's lickig tears now faggot?
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>>101425564
Saber a shit can't even learn to acknowledge an incest child as her son/daughter/clone/thing
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>>101394546
If it's an original Route, then Sakura better win.

It's her turn
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>>101426697
I want to pet catgirl Atlanta.

I feel sorry for her though, she's gonna get REJOICED by Team Rejoice.
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>>101428086
Her turn's passed, she got CCC.
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>>101428213
Doesn't count
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>>101428289
Why not? She's a perfect copy right down to the soul, plus worm free.
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>>101428858
If I recall Blossom is different from all other programs in Mooncell because there's no human basis or core for her, since she's the AI. Meaning she's not a copy of anything, she's a creation purely unlike the other NPC. Which is why it's an actual miracle when she suddenly develops human emotions when there's no human basis in her programming, and as such the soul she shouldn't have had was suddenly filled to the brim.

We probably need a full translation to get the low down in some places, but it really is supposed to be something of a miracle when that which isn't human at all becomes real, kind of like Tin Man.
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>>101429031
Blossom would've been replaced by Caren and with Caren, the MC dies
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>>101429358
Yeah, she may be a special sort of program as she's the only one not recycles after each war, but she's still very replaceable. If she breaks down then of course someone else will come in and take her place, which is why she has no value in her own existence at first. She's the AI, but other programs can be modded to fit the same spot she's currently placed in. Although Karen program does have the structural flaw of not being able to put priority on the masters life If I recall that right.
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>>101429031
I repeat, worm free.
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They could do all three omnibus style, and Zelretch could narrate. Or, they could do Hollow Ataraxia and incorporate the three routes into the time loop.
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>>101395904
But their OP was shit.
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Hey guys, have any of you seen download links for this album?
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I like the way this thread is going.
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>>101431483
Extra dumping?
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CCC thread?
Translation when?
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Everyone Servant is shit except me Andersen
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>>101431600
Not soon enough.
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>>101430725
No but I would love to hear Caster's song (even though she sounded exactly like Kimi from Horizon on the preview)
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>>101431711
Best Servant is best.
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>>101431723
Oh god, those melons

>>101431711
His seiyuu is so fucking awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRtG3sDJOo
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Why would you mess up Mordred, Arturia? She's such a qt3.14
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>>101431861
Official lewd is best lewd.
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>>101430725
>>101431766

If you want to hear all the previews then check out the http://www.hobirecords.com/fate-extra/
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>>101431600
CCC will begin once F/HA is out for a few years. never
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>>101431871
Seibah a shit daddy
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>>101410247
Remember when these were the only Sabers we had?
She sure have multiplied quite a bit in a comparably short time.
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>>101432162
Does anyone know who the artist for this is? Very good for a sketch.
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As long as they pick a route at all I'll be fine.

Fuck some original strung together bullshit. Don't deviate from the formula that made Fate/Zero so good.
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>>101432344
Slut.
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>>101432367
>Fate/Zero didn't deviate
What about those two Karry flashback episodes?
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>>101432496
That only layered onto the established story. It wasn't out to change it.
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>>101432367
It's gonna be an original route.

If they pick the Fate or UBW route they leave the Sakura plot threads from Zero completely dropped.

If they pick HF, they basically drop Saber's and Gil's plot threads.

If they pick UBW they basically reduce Ilya to a bit part as well.

If it's going to be a proper sequel to Fate/Zero it needs to address all the leftovers
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>>101432452
Not her fault FemHakuno makes every girl gay for her
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>>101432620
VN adaptation when?
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>>101394546
Hopefully, it's an original Dragon route.

Got ya.
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>>101432620
Gil doesn't really have plot threads; sure he's still around doing shit with Kotomine, but it's not like something much needs to be resolved there.

People may not like it when he dies, but it's not like something grand needs to be resolved for him since he already has it.
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>>101432790
FeMC isn't the one who shoved a planet in her vag.
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>>101432990
I'd prefer a Tiger route.

Yes, I know it'll never happen.
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>>101432620
It's really okay if they don't address literally every plot thread. That's the point of routes.
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>>101433379
That's the point of routes, but not an adaption. An adaption banks on the fact that there might only be one of it, so it has to try appealing to as many different angles as possible while keeping the core intact. Not every adaption has to abide by this rule if it's guaranteed other seasons, but for the most part and especially for any adaption of a VN they just have to try to hit every spot since they know there most likely won't be a second chance unless they're lucky. Primarily an adaption of a VN will try to do the main route of a series, but this doesn't work as well for stories where the content is split up in such a way that routes are linear as more info is revealed later on. It's more suited for stories where "Okay, I choose this girl, and I get the full story for her but there are other routes as well" which is more a harem story.

There have been exceptions in recent days like Amagami that did something almost no other adaption has thought of before, and did every route for every fan, but not many can do that. Sure it's possible for a second season to take place here if this is Fate route, but by the sound of things that is not the case really.
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I wonder if they'll use the animated cutscenes from the PS Vita. Not that I mind.
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What if it's straight Archer route?

I want all dat suffering
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>>101433592
A VN has the luxury of splitting up the content, but an adaption must try to cram as much in as it can to reach all the fans. However in most cases this leads to some real problems all around.

If handled shoddily it will be DEEN's FSN, but if handled well it can be Tsukihime manga.
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Sakura cares about Shinji, right?

Like although she rapes him and stuff, she still doesn't want him to die, right? (up until the final one in HF) I can't really remember what her reaction was to Shinji's death in Fate. I know we don't actually see it, but I remember there being some offhand mention about Sakura in Fate somewhere after Shinji's death.
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>>101434084
They could divide the episodes for 3 separate routes. Assuming it would be at least 24 episodes each arc would cover 8 - 9 episodes each. Question is can ufotable cram all of the content without seriously gimping the each story.
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>>101434076
Who's to say his variation of the Grail War was really that suffering? The suffering only came later on in life for the most part, as he learned the path of a hero is nothing easy by any means.

The idea that he was dating any of the girls in life is probably out though; or at least it doesn't seem he dated Rin or Sakura, but Saber seems like an oddly high choice. Saber leaves him with nothing stopping him from going on his journey later in life, Fate route leaves him with Ilya at his house as he watches her die which shows his regrets towards her he had in HF route, he's basically confirmed not to have been with Rin/Sakura in Extra as Nasu has confirmed his history lines up exactly with that Archer and that Archer currently denies it but in a very sketchy way, and the scene in Ataraxia as Saber kills him is very... well he's still got a huge hard-on for her even now despite doing his best to hide it.

Fate route is the most likely to create Archer as it hits every major point, but we know it was not Fate route exactly as Ilya denies any of the routes in the end being the one to lead to him. All routes have the chance to create him, but none of them are the one, but it's likely that he came from something similar to Fate anyway.
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>>101434039
I'm more interested in what the new outfits will look like. I always thought the way they dressed in the VN was a little boring so I'm interested to see what they'll look like.
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>>101423529
Anime adaptation's pretty good.
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>>101434362
She pities and loves him in her own way, and his death in HF was an accident as it was the event that caused her to break down and accept herself as a monster or else she wouldn't be able to keep going at all since she did such a thing that can't be taken back.

She doesn't want him to die, she does wish he'd go back to how he used to be, but she understands just why he's angry with her so she takes it all without a word. She visits him in the hospital in UBW ending, and he seems to be doing better those days. Although nasu reports there won't be any major changes in his attitude, just a huge weight has been lifted off of him after failing and accepting his failure.
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>>101430725

https://mega.co.nz/#!N8QGlAjC!uy9Rh0KniEnuzHM4c-9GKFEI-_6CxtFKCQmKEKTR_f8

Found this on archive
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>>101424564
Woah, this is actually pretty decent writing. It doesn't make me like Mordred more, but it does elaborate a lot further into her thoughts.

Though if the sword was redrawn, would Mordred have been able to draw it? Merlin did enchant the thing to only be drawn by the rightful heir of Britain. So while Mordred is technically related to Arthur by blood, would the sword accept some weird clone blood of the son of Uther?
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>>101435057
Maybe since she has blood from Arthur and Morgan
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>>101435057
The sword does not accept one because they have the blood of Arthur, or even the soul of Arthur, the sword only accepts the one rightful King. So no, even if she has the same blood and genes she cannot draw the sword most likely as it's not a choice based on genetics but rather ideals.

She's doing all of this to prove herself to her father so he'll finally accept her, but her dream cannot work. Which is why she's actually one of the most likely to win here in the end. So she can go back in time and try to pull the sword, only to realize she can't as her dreams and everything about her breaks down at once as she realizes she really isn't worthy, all at once she realizes she created the downfall of Camelot and the lives of all for nothing, and she breaks.

Years later when Arthur draws the stone a reformed Mordred appears before her as a different figure in history this time around, one who tries to atone for what she did before. Maybe she's Gallahad or something, which makes three Knights of the Round literal Saber clones.
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>>101435250
Sword doesn't choose it's master based on blood or lineage, but on worthiness or Fate.

Arthur himself was nothing special before he drew the sword, but within that child who would sacrifice all for her kingdom the sword saw a noble ideal.
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>>101435374
>The sword does not accept one because they have the blood of Arthur, or even the soul of Arthur, the sword only accepts the one rightful King. So no, even if she has the same blood and genes she cannot draw the sword most likely as it's not a choice based on genetics but rather ideals.
Are you sure about that? I have a modern translation of Le Morte D'Arthur here, but I don't think it says specifically what requirements the sword needed. But it seems to be saying that Merlin made it so only Arthur could draw it, so I assume it's a mixture of both ideals and genetics?

>So she can go back in time and try to pull the sword, only to realize she can't as her dreams and everything about her breaks down at once as she realizes she really isn't worthy, all at once she realizes she created the downfall of Camelot and the lives of all for nothing, and she breaks.
Sounds super interesting. If we're lucky, maybe we can get the translation in the next 10 years!

>Maybe she's Gallahad or something, which makes three Knights of the Round literal Saber clones
But Galahad was the son of Lancelot and this person whose name I forgot.

How does that even work?
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>>101435772
>But Galahad was the son of Lancelot and this person whose name I forgot.
>How does that even work?

Doesn't have to be him exactly, it's more about the ideal itself that she ends up as some other figure in the past now that she's stuck there, and tries to atone.
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>>101435928
I guess, but Galahad in the legend was proposed to be pretty much perfect, and that's something that Mordred's definitely not.
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>>101431871
Saber never had time or allowed herself to be anything other than "The King". It wasn't a matter of "how to deal with her child" because that fell outside of the persona she had to construct. She thought she could not afford to show emotion or to let that influence her judgment.

Left alone, Mordred should not have been able to cause any major damage, but Arturia did not account for the court being full of scheming retards. Even Mordred herself points out how the people who follow her are a bunch of morons.

"The King protected the Country, but the Country did not protect the King." Arturia did everything to preserve and care for her people above all and to set an example, but that example needed to be followed for it to work. That's what Lancelot whines about during his CRAWLING IN MY SKIN rage: Arturia's rule relied on her trusting her subjects to be good people. Her failure was not accounting for the fact that she was actually leading a mass of self destructive drama queens who needed more group counseling than spotless leadership, and that instead of being inspired by the image of a perfect king, they would actively resent her for upholding that image.
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Since this is kinda become a type-moon general, I'll ask here;
I just finished the Ciel route in Tsukihime, which route do I take next? I get the feeling it's Akiha.
And also how long is the next route compared to the first two?
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>>101436393
Akiha, then Hisui, then Kohaku.
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>>101436487
Thanks man
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>>101436307
She was also quite estranged from her people because of her act as the perfect king which accounted for her not even realizing they were in turmoil until it was already over.

She did not even understand Lancelot's grief despite him being one of her closest friends, let alone the rest of their shit. Each Knight had his own stuff going on that led to the destruction there, but there was no unity in that sense as each man took his turmoil upon himself and acted. Which is why it's a bit laughable people think Saber would be able to ever have an Army of the King attack like Alexander, when there was no such ideal in the end that brought them all together. Each of them suffered in silence without any of them understanding the others unto the end. Saber could not understand Lancelot until it was made obvious to her in his Berserk fury, she could not understand the lamentations of the child who wanted acceptance, or her own people, but that's not really on her as not one of them tried to understand her either.
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>>101424032
>However, he did not consider me his son. Those words wounded me deeply. Deeply.
>The king who turned his back never expressed any care to his knight. He simply left.

Saber is such a fucking douche.
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>>101436393
Gotta do it

Arc --> Ciel ---> Akiha ---> Hisui ---> Kohaku ---> Eclipse

Kohaku is the climax, you don't do it before the others of course. But it's locked until you do them all anyway hopefully. For understanding something deeper about Shiki and his homelife it's important to do Akiha next, which futher shows the impact of Hisui's route.
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>>101437012
I'm still mad the Fate/Extra didn't give us a chance to kill and crush Saber

Come on Saber/Shirou would have been a fucking A+ secret boss fight.

Just to seem Saber get verbally abused and humiliated
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How is he so perfect?
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>>101418295

I do. I also want Prototype Lancer and Gilgamesh.
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>>101437196
He isn't

Cu is far more perfect than that fake.
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>>101437196
Perfect people don't talk to gates.
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>>101437196
Despite the fact he has such a small part I think his motive in the war is pretty well written, even though it is simplistic. The whole idea that anything he has achieved in life has been forgotten or attributed to Sasaki Kojirou, and that even if were to win the war he would the wish would go to Sasaki, not him. Basically anything he does is meaningless, so he simply wants to fight. Even though he has hardly any screen time, his appearance at the end of UBW was one of my favourite parts about the route.

I seriously hope he gets good treatment in the coming adaption. Being simply forgotten or instantly murdered by True Assassin is shit... I want him to have that final fight with Saber (or somebody), no matter what route it is.
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>>101437856
>Being simply forgotten or instantly murdered by True Assassin is shit...

He was killed by Shadow if you go back and read it, he even laments that the being is more a serpent with one of his usual animal puns as we see it's tendrils roll across the screen to cut him. It was only after he was laying there dead that True Assassin used his body to give birth to itself, as Zouken needed him vunerable to use the corpse as the catalyst for the True Assassin.

True Assassin was born from Assassin's corpse, of course Assassin needs to be mostly dead before that works, so he can't be the one to kill him. Although it was shown that TA was the one who killed Caster's master. Still Shadow was the one who killed Sasaki as he held no chance to that beast.
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>>101437856
Kill two birds with one stone and have him fight Lancer.
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>>101438274
This scene happened mere moments later; most assume that Zouken summoned TA into a worm somehow that ate it's way out of Sasaki from the inside out to gain the rightful servant container from his core in order to be summoned. Zouken had an ample chance there considering he was watching the entire thing from inside of Shadow at the time, so upon seeing that thing lying there half-dead he took his chance and gained a servant.
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>>101434076
What if it's an Archer route? It would take UBW to its logical conclusion. Rin was just a side-character in UBW anyway.
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new emiya theme when
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>>101413358
>Wanting some story about some idealistic man-child becoming Batman that will forever hate himself.
Archer is better off as an enigmatic hero anyways. If we actually got a story about Archer, it would come off as fan-fiction tier writing.
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>>101439251
He only hated himself postmortem
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>>101436967
There's also the fact that Lancelot's grief was his own fucking fault and that he was a giant whiny baby.

One perspective people don't pay enough attention to is that of the knights that remained loyal to her. Surprisingly, the ones that weren't conniving cunts or drama whores had different opinions of the whole thing. Gawain simply regrets not speaking up when he should have, and Bedivere's position can be summed up as "Yeah, no, you are all a bunch of ungrateful little shits. Fuck you." The fact that her court could not be trusted not to implode at the merest opportunity is a good indicator of how tipped the scales where from the start.
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>>101439329
That's why I said 'that will forever hate himself'.
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>>101439478
This definitely was the best epilogue (except maybe HF normal), and I don't even like Fate that much.

After going through an entire route where Saber hates herself because she believed she had failed her subjects, having an epilogue from the perspective of a knight who cared deeply for his King was pretty touching.
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>>101439478
Gawain regrets chasing off Lancelot when he came back to save their asses, he blames himself for the downfall of their kingdom. Which is why in Extra he's deveoted himself fully to saving Leo, because "If I.. if I could do it all over again I want to not make that mistake again. I'll be a perfect knight, I'll do all I'm told without question or hesitation, I'll be the ideal knight, but please just let me have another chance"

Which is why he tries to keep his personality in check with Leo and just acts like the ideal knight without voicing his opinion or giving into his own thoughts, but his hot-headed nature comes out eventually in the game. Still the fact that he tried to play that role was actually his greatest failing yet again, as he could have chastised Leo and told him if he was going down the wrong path, or told him he was still missing something, but instead he bit his tongue and tried to act proper. Leo because of this only understood his own failing far too late, he only understood what he lacked on the verge of death.
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>>101439751
>himself fully to saving Leo,

serving Leo

Because his only wish is to serve someone as a proper servant should to make up for his previous failing and rash actions. Also If I recall he blames himself for more than just the Lancelot thing.
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>>101439751
How do you tell someone like Leo failure is necessary for life. He'd tilt his head an be all DoesNotCompute.
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>>101440278
It was just something said in their last moments together that just stuck with me for the most part. Something along the lines of "Gawain, you knew I was lacking such a thing all along... didn't you. It's a shame I could only realize It just now when I can do nothing, but you watched out for me all along".

http://youtu.be/Lf0vy5VI1xY

Starts around the 20:00 mark; Gawain knew what Leo lacked all along but knew it wasn't his place to tell him, so he just silently watched the Soon-to-be King's growth while protecting him with his utmost effort. He knew as long as Leo still was lacking in that which was meant to be human he would eventually lose, but he protected him until the end.
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>>101440772
I don't know if the plot expected something there, but I could just never come to hate Leo. His death scene only gave him more credibility, but even from the start he had a certain interest or kindness about him. He took everything in from the start, relished the small meetings he had with you even when Gawain said he shouldn't waste time, and in some small way hoped for your victory each time even if he knew it wasn't happening or didn't really effect him in the slightest. He was just a guy who grew up sheltered and strict without once experiencing something all too human, but in CCC we see a new side of himself that actually gets to be with others and experience such a trivial thing.

Somehow I ended up liking him more than Rin despite the plot basically telling me repeatedly that he was wrong and she was the one to follow.
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>>101441001
I didn't like Leo simply because of how inhumane he was. He saw people as subjects and didn't even care his brother died, instead he got all happy about getting to fight someone stronger than Julius. Beating him and watching him slowly realize that he lost for the first time in his life was satisfying as hell.
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>>101441601
That, and thrashing Gawain.
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>>101441777
His trash talk is cute, all bark no bite.
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So is Extra worth it? I managed to get to Shinji but gave up before I got to the next Master. The gameplay is pretty fucking boring, I felt like I was watching paint dry. Should I try and play it again? I went with Nero the first time, if that means anything.

also have to admit i was pretty shit at the game, mainly because i was getting annoyed and rushed through it which resulted in me doing stupid decisions. really wish i could just skip all the fights
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>>101441978
People either like it or hate it I guess; I know someone was starting it the other day and really loved it so far, so it usually has to do with whether you hate the battle system or not.

It's worth it for the characters at least even if you don't care for the gameplay generally, but there are guides out there that can make it easier. Every enemy has a certain pattern that switches up randomly between a few certain choices, and as long as you can see at least two panels guessing the patten shouldn't be that hard after a few repeat battles.

Still, the characters are the draw here as there honestly are some interesting servants to be found in the bunch. Also getting close to your own servant is a real draw as you learn a lot about them over the coming weeks, and if you pick Archer you really learn a lot of his backstory there.

It all comes down to whether you think it's worth it or not
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>>101441978
Did you play it on Easy? That lets you use healing fountains in dungeons, which makes it much simpler to get through them.
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>>101441978
Extra is a love it or hate it sort of thing. If you don't like the characters or your Servant you'll hate it. It also suffers a lot because Nasu was handed a half finished script and told to fill in the blanks. My personal opinion is find a Servant you like and play for them.
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>>101434656

Its more pity and guilt than actual affection based on the interlude, which explained how he treated her like a pet dog since they were little (there was stuff told about this in Hollow too). She doesn't really consider herself human and bears her burden (which is why Medusa loves her and is loyal, she bears the same cursed fate with a smile).

Shinji hated her from the beginning, due to his selfishness. There was no time when he was "good".

In CM2, Nasu noted her greatest strength was empathy for others, so that is why she behaves that way with Shinji, she considered him like herself, a victim of mage family issues.
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>>101442306
Actually it's more like he was given the original script, rewrote most of it from scratch since he hated what they had originally, and delayed the release going over it all.

In the end it was something he could sign off on and he liked a lot of the concepts he ended up creating there as he wanted a much more active role during CCC, but it seems he just didn't care for a lot of what they originally had.

We also see that he really changed the battle system around when he came onboard since what we got looks quite different from the original promo in a way. Still maybe it was someone elses choice to switch that around near the end of development, but part of me wants to believe that the R/P/S idea was sort of in reference to the way Nasuverse works to begin with. Everything is compatibility, the strongest can take down the weakest if he has the right compatibility there, but that's pretty much just theory.
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>>101439478

Lets just be clear, Arthur did fuck up by trying to be too perfect and mechanical, you can say people were working against her, but she also ignored warning signs.

The king and country should work together, a martyr is not what the people need, but a leader to inspire and guide, and a country to support their king and work toward prosperity. She tried to keep lids on the parts that stunk until they couldn't be ignored anymore, to fit a perfect king's image.

You can find subterfuge in the best examples of monarchies. But a good leader is able to handle that by being flexible and intelligent. Saber even admits that her prosperity was indebted to a decent counsel, who was able to use funds well in campaigns. She was no brilliant strategist or a silver tongued diplomatic, she was a knight.
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>>101429563

And? If you're a real Sakura fan, then that should not matter to you.

Besides, she is free post-HF and Hollow anyway, so chittering away about being "worm-free" sounds like an excuse. BB and Blossom are pretty nice though, but the original is still tops. Haters can kick rocks.
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>>101394546
I love the adventures of Generic Anime Guy in food preparation.
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>>101428858
I love Sakura, worms and all
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>>101443515
>Generic Anime Guy
>Shirou

Top kek
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Such a shame that the talent of a studio like ufotable is being wasted on such garbage material like nasuverse.
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>>101395338
God, she so beautiful here.
Thank you, Ufotable.
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>>101447659
Still has black hair and isn't a ball of pure suffering, this must be right before the first visit to the basement or something.
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>there won't be any romance
>there won't be cooking scene
>there won't be any wormslut

Iliya route confirmet, brother/sister relationship, HFfags will tears, no stupid date scene, this sound sooooo good.
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>there will never be a Kotomine route
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>>101448230
no one want a route about a delusional guy.
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>>101448230
Been there, done that

Two men driving their fists into each other while putting all of their hearts into it against the only other person in the world that can understand them has more meaning than any H scene
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>>101395344

I wouldn't mind it being a proper fate route, I won't watch but a different route would be great. Though I'm not sure what the fuck Nasu would do with it. We have the three main divergences in mentality as it is, so unless they want to turn it into the same mess the first series was, they'd some how need to please people and give a route that makes sense (becoming archer? Ilya/Eizbern side of things). Considering they've been milking AU shit for that last 6 years I'm not sure how to feel about the sudden return.
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It's gonna be an animated mind of steel route. Words cannot express my hype.
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>>101442740

Arturia was a perfect king, it's just that a perfect king and an imperfect populace don't mix.

A supreme ruler who swiftly and effectively guides the nation to safety and glory with an iron hand is the best anyone could ask for.

Once and Future King a best.
Britain a shit.
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>>101449051
She's someone who plays the role of a perfect king, but she is not a perfect King. Even Shirou notes the difference there as he realizes "Just because she's good at something doesn't mean she's suited for it" at one point, although that's really more of a tangent.

The role of a perfect king meant she could not expose any flaw before her men, which meant she had to keep her distance from her men, which means a distance grows between her and the populous as she grows a bit ignorant of their suffering or lacks understanding of them. This is a very clear flaw and far from a perfect king, as she could not see things for what they were, thought Mordred was a fine knight at one point, and knew nothing of Lancelot's grief.

The flaw is that in order to maintain the aura of perfection she cannot be anything even seemingly close to her people, and thus she ends up not knowing anything of them aside from what she's told directly in meetings.
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>>101449304
Well, the "Just because she's good doesn't mean she's suited" is really more.. how she's good at fighting but that doesn't mean she likes it or that this is what she enjoys in any sense. She's good at it, she because a sacrifice towards it, but that was never what she wanted to do by any means.

I don't think that really had much to do with the point before, but it still feels like a distinction to be made. It's something she's very good at, but it's something that was never suited to her from the start as it just didn't actually fit her as a person. This is the path she chose as no one else could fulfill such a role, but there is a difference.
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>>101434973
Oh god, thank you.
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>>101437233
I just want Prototype
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>>101449447

The big thing with Saber is that she tried too hard to be perfect, and expecting perfection. The whole thing with Lancelot wasn't just because he was emotional, but because the law enforcement was skewed. The marriage she had was a sham and she knew it, but went ahead with the execution to keep appearances.

She wasn't a person, she was an ideal, and people can't live like that, because it isn't living. If she was resolute enough to sacrifice villlages for the greater good, she could be resolute enough to be honest and upfront with people, which she wasn't. Mordred, Lancelot, and a number of other problems came about because she tried to create a flawless, invincible country, instead of a working one. All this to say that she was not a bad king, but she DID have flaws as a human being, and a king. Anyone who says otherwise missed the point if they say it was just her country.
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>>101451979
>Mordred, Lancelot, and a number of other problems came about because she tried to create a flawless, invincible country, instead of a working one

Effectively all of whichcan be blamed on Morgan le Fay.

That bitch ruined everything.
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>>101417645
If the partial patch was only fully validated stuff, then Sella and Leysritt's dialogue was all incomprehensible, and we'll probably see more of that.
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>>101452611
Saber should've married Morgan instead of Guinevere which means Lancelot doesn't betray her, and Mordred is acknowledge as her son/daughter and Morgan wouldn't be scheming behind her sister's back
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So why is it not HF? There are 3 routes and 2 of them are adapted. Why the fuck won't they just finish the last one?
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>>101454732
Pretty sure they hated each other way before the whole Mordred ordeal.
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>There will never be anime of the worm route
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>>101455578
either you're sad for the lack of ptential rider, or u r a faget
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So when will we get more info?
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>>101460073
Did we even get any info in the first place?
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>>101437115
Yeah. That's really the only way to read Tsukihime.
>>101435988
She's perfect in her own way.
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>>101460734
We got staff info. And now we know that it is slated for fall.
We also know that there will be new clothes, though not to what extent.
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>>101461228
Also that they want to follow the vector of Zero and make it serious like it. Only no actually they want comedy, Also they actually want it to be made as it's own thing and totally not a sequel to Zero because Nasu was in the interview room this time.
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>>101461228
That's barely anything, and why am I so hyped for new outfits?
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>>101461366
Because Shirou wears something other than "that" shirt?
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>>101455310
Saber didn't know Morgan was her sister in som e legend
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>>101461228
>new clothes
As long as they don't put Taiga in a mini skirt, I'll be happy.
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>>101461406
I actually like Shirou's shirt, it's a nice looking shirt, would wear on a cold day
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>>101462688
You know what they will do, right?
off they go - sockless Rin pic where
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>>101460909
>She's perfect in her own way.
>shiki determining perfection
I don't want to hear that from a guy who asks a woman about her three sizes on their first date which wasn't even really a date.
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>>101437196
>Doesn't even have a noble phantasm.
>Caster is worst master.
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>>101465653
Technically, the gate is his master.
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>>101465835
Wasn't the temple was his master though, or was it the sacred ground on the temple caster used as a catalyst and bound him to it?
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>>101465835
Well he still listened to Caster.
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>>101466177
What else could he do, he was tacked on to a fucking gate.
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>>101466379
He could have taken up a hobby, like...wood-carving.
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>>101466379
Fake Assassin was practically a hobo, best thing happened to him was when True Assassin ripped through his corpse or he fought Saber Twice, speaking of which, who's orders were Assassin taking during UBW after Caster died because wasn't Ryudou temple providing enough Prana for him to stay in the world?
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>>101466597
Nah best thing was him fighting off Berserker I'd reckon, that's one to tell your mates at the bar. Well, if he could go anyways
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>>101466597
I think he was just sitting there, waiting for someone to show up so he could fight them.
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>>101466701
That didn't stop Gil from hauling Shinji's ass up there tho. Besides if he was waiting for somebody to fight, Gil would of killed him before he even entered.
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>>101466782

Kojirou isn't stupid. He hid from Gil and let him pass because he could sense that Gil would have slaughtered him.
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>>101466678

That's one of the most impossible to understand fight results. Kojirou literally can't hurt Berserker and Medea would have only been able to hurt him two or three times. There's no reason why Berserker couldn't have just bullrushed the both of them and slaughtered them due to their awful affinity against him.
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>>101403077
What class would Shiki be?
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>>101466891
That sure didn't stop him from waiting for Saber and Co.
Besides wouldn't Kojirou have better swordsmanship/Technique, would love to at least see them fight before he rams TG and Gil goes serious, Heaven Chains him and executes him with GoB. Would of also loved to see him use his NP if he had one.
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>>101465653
>Oh look, a cellphone! How useful.
Every time.
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>>101467140

Kojirou already fought Saber, he knows her fighting style and that he can beat her if he challenges her. Gil wouldn't even give Kojirou the satisfaction of a swordfight and would have just killed him from a distance.
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>>101467128
Beserker=Nanaya Shiki Melty Blood Full moon
Assassin=Shiki...Just regular Shiki
Mystic Eyes of Death Perception rank EX Noble phantasm
>Top lel
>>101467195
Who knows, Gil would of underestimated him too or at least fight him to kill time.
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>>101406486
Could Taiga kill a Servant? Also if she became a servant, how strong would she be?
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>>101466597
>Fake Assassin was practically a hobo
I shouldn't find him 20% cooler with this info.
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>>101408687
Where can I download this?
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>>101467302
>would of
would have*
Would you please either learn to write or get the fuck out?
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>>101466974
Didn't Caster use gravity magic to hold Berserker down or something?
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>>101409520
Yeah, it's called mercury poisoning.
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>>101467382
Hobos are always the best.
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>>101467443
No need to be so mad, it's just a simple mistake. Anyway, thanks for the correction.
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>>101467710
I'm mad because I'm tired of seeing you in TM threads, being stupid all the fucking time
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>>101467382
Does he taste the GOB in Fate? Or does someone else kill him?
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>>101467878
Saber kills him in the anime however the VN doesn't say who killed him.
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>>101467878
Most likely he got killed by Saber, but what really happened to him remains inconclusive. For all we know, he could have died when Caster kicked the bucket.
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>>101467878
GoB, apparently.
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>>101467302
Gil has been mentioned to be excellent at analyzing opponents. In the specific example, he was said to recognize Fake Assassin as a great swordsman and would know to not get close.

Plus he has a shield that cancels Tsubame Gaeshi. Ain't that some shit.
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>>101409520
His homework got increased by 20 times
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>>101468200

UBW shows he outlives Caster. Caster isn't his Master, his Master is the mountainside. When the mana runs dry, he's gone.
However, the mana is enough to last him to the 16th night (he claims he will not survive till the dawn even if he conserves it as best he can, however), and Fate's climax is on the 15th night.
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>>101468249
Gil isn't skilled enough to fight most servants in close combat.
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>>101426354
JIDF pls go
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Remind me why Rin was a poorfag in FSN even though she came from an esteemed family?
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>>101468430
Kirei burned all her money
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>>101468389
Not true. His skill with a single weapon is pretty shit, but with variation and numbers he can wreck even good fighters.

In Fate, his armor was just about done and he still opted to go into melee with Saber and he wrecked her shit completely. The enemy can't predict what special effect will come next and thus is constantly on the defensive.
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>>101468496
What a dick.
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Lancer + Kirie must have killed Assassin because there is no-one left.
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>>101468430
Kirei handled the Tohsaka estates extremely poorly and using jewels is pretty fucking costly. She does have magical patents at the tower which give her some income, but she mentions it's normal for a Tohsaka to go off and get rich after finishing their studies so they can continue their work.
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>>101468389

Which is why he wouldn't engage one in close combat.
The only one he ever does is Saber, and he's spamming Gate of Babylon at full crank when he does anyway, combining both ranged and melee for full troll cheese.
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>>101468496
>>101468593
What the fuck did he blow it all on?

Did he and Gil just go out every night and spend it all on hookers and blow?
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>>101468636
Wine of course
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>>101468502
Does he even know how to use most of the weapons in his vault? I assumed he just fired them and relied on their rank and on-hit effects.
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>>101468636

Church repair fee for the 4th holy grail clusterfuck.
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No, and you tell me.
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I just got into UBW, on the 6th day now, and is there any route where Shinji is not a scumbag? He's possibly even worse in this route than he was in Fate, and Shirou's stupidity regarding him is even more grating now that I know what kind of asshole he is already.
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>>101468636
Mapo Tofu.
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>>101468636
Gotta keep stocked up on decent(read: FUCKING EXPENSIVE FINE ASS) wine to keep Gil from bitching.
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>>101468636
mapo tofu
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>>101468696
Not really, beyond the basics. But when the "create ice" effect comes into play with a normal swing, he really doesn't need to.

Throw in an invisible sword next followed by a sickle that ignores armor and he's got a pretty unfair combo already lined up.
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>>101468696

He cannot declare most of them as a Noble Phantasm, no.
Really, only Ea and Merodach (what Shirou confused for Gram).
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>>101468830
No, Shirou does not confuse swords. What the fuck are you smoking?
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>>101468741
Shinji's a bro in every route
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>>101468741
Just wait til you get to HF. You're gonna love him there.
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>>101468873

It went in the weapons book as Gram, but Gilgamesh owns the originals, and Nasu clarified it was a sword called Merodach ~ The Original Sin.

Shirou can indeed confuse weapons that he only just sees. He confused the original Gungnir with Gae Bolg twice.
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>>101468741
Nope. It's implied that he wasn't always an asshole but magic means everything to magi. It's the reason Tokiomi gave his daughter away, he thought that her future as a magi was more important than her health or emotional well-being. Magi are dicks and Shinji just found out he has no future as a magi. It doesn't help that someone like Shirou is hanging out with his crush, his sister and has become a magi despite having no natural talent.
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>>101468830
He can activate and use the passive effects of many, regardless.
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>>101469075

You don't really "activate" a passive effect.
Lancelot didn't have to declare Arondight to get his rank-up to everything, he just had to draw it.
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>>101469054
I didn't think about it before but Shinji's getting double NTR'd by Shirou in a sense huh? I'm surprised he's as civil with him as he is
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>>101469031
No, it's Gram. The original model is called Merodach.
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>>101469120
Those effects aren't what need to be activated, but some of the phantasms used on the bridge clearly weren't passive.
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>>101469054
Shirou has quite a talent. He was just taught in a shit way.
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>>101469120
That's how I see it. He could call something like Excalibur but since he doesn't know it's name it would essentially be a high rank invisible sword.
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>>101469054
That doesn't even begin to excuse what he's done. He's vain, petty, and cruel, and it's clear to me that the only thing holding him back from indulging in his violent impulses was his own weakness. Rider gave him real power and consequently that's when he inflicted the most pain upon those around him.
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>>101469031
>Fate/complete material II: Character material - >Weapons - Gram, p.134
>English | Japanese
>User: Gilgamesh
>A sword that appears in the “Völsunga Saga” of Norse mythology. It is wielded by the hero Sigurd. The incident where Sigurd’s father Sigmund pulled Gram from the trunk of a tree later became the model for Caliburn, the sword in the stone. After Sigurd reforged Gram from the shattered pieces, it is said to have become a demonic sword capable even of killing a dragon.

Mm, no.
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>>101469240

It's just Merodach. Gram is based upon it, and Caliburn is based upon Gram.
Gilgamesh only has the originals. He doesn't have the recreations or imitations.
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>>101469246
His circuits are pretty subpar. He's untalented, speaking from an orthodox perspective.
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>>101469285
It's been said by Nasu that we see Shinji at his worst in FSN since it's such a bad time for him, he's probably at least decent besides the Sakura thing the rest of the time.
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>>101468593
>Kirei handled the Tohsaka estates extremely poorly
On Purpose
>She does have magical patents at the tower which give her some income
Kirei sold all those off so she wouldn't actually have much income
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>>101469377
So the VN and CM are both wrong?

Cool beans, bub.
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>>101469308
>Became the model for Caliburn
But what became the model for gram then ?
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>>101437012

>Mordred destroys the kingdom because daddy didn't accept her
>Somehow saber is the douche in this relationship
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>>101469471
Milligram
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>>101469285
Actually Rider didn't give him anything. That was Sakura taking pity on him. Do you think someone like Shinji enjoys being pitied by someone like Sakura when you take in to consideration everything she means to him as the last heir of the Matou?
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>>101469378
He has decent amount of circuits, but couldn't develop them because he had shit of a teacher. Shinji was a total muggle.
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>>101469576
Shinji was more of a squib.
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>>101469467

It's very unclear. Both グラム and 原罪(メロダック) are listed as being owned by Gilgamesh.
Which is contradictory to what he says in the VN, being only an owner of "originals".
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>>101468741
He gets worse every route. What little I've seen of him from Extra is probably the least dickish he acts.
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>>101468741
Yes it is called CCC where Shinji is a total bro
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>>101469246
You can't really call him talented because what he does shouldn't be possible in the first place. He's more of a miracle worker than a magi.

Talent would be learning about how dance quicker than everyone else. Shirou learns how to dance before he can even walk.
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>>101469704
Different Shinji though.
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>>101468830
>Shirou confused
>about swords
You're pretty dumb, but I can't blame you since the VN does save Gram's profile instead of Merodach's.

Shirou is fucking incapable of being wrong about swords.
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>>101469576
Where the fuck did he get all those circuits in the first place?
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>>101469634
Yeah, it's a better word.
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>>101469725

Fucking Nasu get this shit together, why does Gram even come up
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>>101469664
Wait when did Gil say he "only" had originals? I was under the impression he had the originals but could also have other iterations of weapons
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>>101469748
His dad, where else.
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>>101469380
I just can't see it of him, I've never seen him act decently toward another person. He's manipulative to the extreme.

>>101469556
>Actually Rider didn't give him anything
Are you stupid? Rider is a Servant, she affords her Master real power. Especially for somebody like Shinji who despite being born into the world of magi wielded no magic of his own and was virtually powerless his entire life. The only way he could assert any power was over his sister, who he treated horribly. Then Rider comes a long and gives him a way to exert true power for the first time in his life, and he uses it to inflict pain on basically every person he knows.
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>>101469791
He uses Gram to counter the caliburn blast.
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>>101469748
Same way Ciel did, through chance? His parents were magi? Who knows.

Though, I do believe he's related to Uryuu. Both have the red hair that implies they're descended of Portugese, both had magic ciruits and Uryuu mentions finding the summoning book at his folks garage.

Oh and they're both insane. For different reasons, but still. Probably cousins or something.
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>>101469725
He couldn't read EA.
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>>101469847
Electronic Arts?
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>>101469839

But we've just confirmed it was Merodach.
Then he uses it again and Avalon reflects it.
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>>101469846
>>101469817

Now that's an interesting theory.
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>>101469817
Unlikely; Shirou lived with his mother near the center of the fire. Uryuu had just come to town for the 4th war.

They're probably related somehow, though.
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>>101423866
>>101423938
>>101424032
>>101424112
>>101424189
>>101424276
>>101424393
>>101424479
>>101424564
Wait a minute, how was Mordred born if both her parents were girls?
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>>101469925
Fuyuki was his hometown, though.
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>>101469576
He has decent amount, but the quality is shit. Contrast to Aoko who has one circuit but it's a really good one.
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>>101469969
You know how.
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>>101469969
Homunculus and Morgan's eggs + Saber's sperm
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>>101469969
Merlin gave Saber the D. Literally.
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So, this anime is gonna be the long awaited Taiga route, right?
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>>101469907
No, this>>101469725 is from Gil shattering Caliburn in melee. Shirou makes a sword that Saber uses, probably Caliburn that then beats Gil's swordblast.

Avalon DOES NOT counter or reflect. Ever.
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>>101469925
>Uryuu had just come to town for the 4th war.

The Ryuunosuke family was centered in Fuyuki, it was mentioned in the light novel.

> Deciding to return to the place of his origin, Ryūnosuke came home after some 5 years, breaking into the backyard storehouse as his parents had fallen asleep in this late night. It was in this storehouse that he had taken his first victim, and it was now crumbling, abandoned.
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>>101469969
Merlin magic son.
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>>101469973
Are his circuits actually that poor though or is he just bad at anything other than projection?
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>>101470042
If Taiga gets a route before Ilya, we riot.
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>>101470051

It wasn't truly Avalon that reflected it, but the combination of Avalon and Excalibur that pushed back Merodach's light. Or something along that lines, Shirou was sort of split in half and almost dying so he couldn't make much sense of the scene at hand.
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>>101469970
I've never heard that before. Are you sure?
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>>101470109
Well he couldn't even do UBW on his own so they can't be that great
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>>101470065
Wait, so he killed one of his relatives?
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>>101470019
>Saber's sperm
But Saber is a girl.
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>>101470136
No dud, Avalon doesn't even partially reflect stuff, that's the whole point of it existing in another separate dimension entirely
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>>101470109
They can't handle a lot of magic juice, projection still works great because Shirou has a discount ticket for that.
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>>101470132
>we
Speak for yourself, I'll be cheering.
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>>101470219
Perhaps he is referring to the deen anime?
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>>101470219

For all we know Seiba used Excaliblast with reduced cost, Avalon seems to allow that. Considering she launched it like three times at Fate's climax when even using it twice should have drained her to death.
Again, Shirou was dying and couldn't make sense of what he was seeing.

>>101470154

Yes, his older sister, who was probably the inheritor of their magic.
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>>101470136
No, Avalon didn't come into play.
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>>101470241
>>101470150
So if magic circuits don't have a consistent output then what difference does having more make?
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RAW ARSE
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>>101470042
But that would be a student - teacher affair, it would be indecent. indecently sexy
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I still have no idea where the "poor quality circuits" thing comes from.

>>101470150
His circuits have nothing to do with that.
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Here's how the anime will mix things up.

Fate: Issei route
UBW: Taiga route
Heaven's Feel: Ilya route
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>>101470293
How did a magi lose to a dude with a knife? Did he even have a reason for targeting his family?
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>>101470383
They aren't poor quality, just underdeveloped.
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>>101470317

That is Avalon. The "thing like a sword" is a sheath. This is what appears LITERALLY just before that line of text.
Saber immediately recognizes it and makes use of it.

This is how Shirou describes the scene in his severe-blood-loss haze.

>Saber used something I made and defeated Gilgamesh's sword.
>A light pushed back his light and must have injured him, who was unscathed up to now.
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>>101470403
>gating the routes everybody wants behind the homo route
It's diabolical.
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>>101470408
Same way Bazzet lost to Kirei, sneak attack, I'd assume they'd trust their own family to not kill them
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>>101470408

Catch em off guard.
And he's an insane serial killer.
And nobody knows if his sister was a good magi or anything.
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>>101470383
Didn't Rin say he wasn't able to make UBW on his own because he didn't have enough mana for it? I assumed that was what the circuits are used for with magi
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>>101460909
Not that anon, but I was just reading Tsukihime blind. Is that not the way to do it?
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>>101470042
>Taiga route
>long awaited
But nobody likes her.
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>>101470446
A sheath is nothing like a sword, there's no reason why he would have created Avalon there, especially when Saber used it and then only later comes to the conclusion that Shirou has Avalon.
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>>101470178
───It was an uncomfortable dream.

Mother whispered into my tender ears:
"My dear son, become a knight and overthrow our king. As my son, you have a right to the throne. However, should the king knows of this now, he will surely...... Therefore, for now we must lie low; for now we wait."

I don't want to hear
Noises appear.
I don't want to hear
Ill will emerges.
I don't want to hear
I wish to ignore them.
An artificial life, born of a twisted lineage; I grow faster than others, age faster than others, and shall die faster than others.
While those innocent children are frolicking about in the village, I am already practicing the art of swordsmanship ─── yet we are of the same age.
By the time they reach adulthood, I shall have already withered and passed away.

I admire them. I envy them. I hate them.

So I swore to become a being that surpasses mankind; I must outpace them.
It was given that I shall be superior to everyone else.

Led by Mother, I gazed at the figure of the king from the dark.
Valiant. Calm and determined, like steel.

"That is your target. The enemy that must be defeated. The king that must be overthrown."

Impossible, I thought.
Because the king was so perfect.
His decisiveness. His swordsmanship. His tactics. No matter which aspect you look at, he was only too perfect.

Therefore I gave up defeating the king, although this means I must betray Mother. I decided to join him, to become his blade and cleanse the filth.

───I will become a knight.

The process of growth happened in just a blink of the eye. One day, Mother gave me a helmet. "You must not take off your helmet in front of others. If your face is seen, all will be lost."

As Mother commanded, I put on my mask. Even so, my swordsmanship and chivalry was perfect ─── it was because of this that I received my sword from the king and became his knight. Even though I was the least among them, I was still qualified to sit on the Round Table.
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>>101470569
Yes. But you're confusing things here.

Circuits are the engine, prana is the petrol.
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>>101470635
Those days of joy indeed passed by quickly.
As a knight, I cut down those who sought vengeance against the king.
"Why do you oppose the king?" I asked.
───And he replied,
"The king was too perfect."

Foolish. That is exactly why the king is so excellent. In the long span of history, there is probably not another king who is so perfect.
Most of the kings are a tyrannical bunch, proud and arrogant, making their pleasures the happiness of the people. The king gives them a dream and the king snatches it away; even after their dreams have been taken away, he behaved as if nothing happened. A disaster that came and went as it pleased.

"It does not matter who the king is. The people exists to be exploited."

The King of Knights have no selfish desires. What he possesses is limited to necessities; there is nothing beside him that is not necessary. He does not dream and possesses no dream.

Endeavoring to unify his fatherland, Britain - that is his simple life.

His existence was clear and beautiful like a polished blade. I admired him and looked up to him. I devoted myself to chivalry just as I felt immense shame at my birth.

I can say with certainty that it was the happiest and most brilliant period of my life.

......The end came quickly. From Mother, whose plans I thwarted, I knew of my true birth.

I was not the child of Morgan, enemy of King Arthur. Although I did not understand the exact method, I was his clone, his true son.

I was overjoyed. The King of Knights that I so admired actually had such a close relation with me. I was the only knight that inherited his blood.

───That is to say, I am the only one qualified as the successor of the King of Knights.

I told King Arthur everything. The reasons that I had the right to be his successor, every single one of them. The king did not change his usual attitude and told me coldly,
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>>101470706
"───I see. Although it was due to my sister's treachery, you are indeed of my blood. However, I do not consider you my son, nor do I intend to pass to you the crown."

To speak of the crown was admittedly too hasty. The choice of a successor need not be made in a moment.

However, he did not consider me his son.
Those words wounded me deeply. Deeply.

That should have been the precondition for everything.
I believed that, this at least, he will be willing to accept.
Even if he cannot admit it in public, due to the problem of succession, I could understand.

In a conversation with just the two of us, he would have told me his true feelings. He would praise me, the son he was so proud of. That was all I asked───

"───You say you do not consider me your son, King of Knights."
I murmured.

The king who turned his back never expressed any care to his knight. He simply left.
My voice, filled with hate, contained spite to a degree I never experienced in my life.

But after I gave it some thoughts, I realized that this was a matter of course. A child created by his enemy, Morgan, by force. Who would admit that it was his own?
To the king, I was but a curse.

After that, I was placed the least among the knights. My excellence was not appreciated. My enthusiasm drew envy. My efforts were ignored.

Only because I was made by Morgan───just because of that was I never forgiven!

"Very well. I shall make you regret those words."
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>>101470765
I made my decision then. Let hatred change myself. Depreciate everything my father had done. Be they the fruits of politics or warfare; everything that the king spent ten years to acquire, I shall make them worth nothing.

The king will hate me───that cannot be helped.
The king will punish me───let him, if he can.
The king will pay attention to me───if I can see him face to face, I am willing to sacrifice everything.

The long war for Britain drew to an end. After overcoming many difficulties, the nation shall become one under the rule of the King of Knights.

Warfare brings glory to the knights, but misery and poverty to the poor. As such days neared its end, discontent grew.

The king dealt with such matters without a change in his countenance. However, I knew that he must have felt great sorrow in his heart, yes, just imagining that made me smile in content.

The adultery of the Queen, Guinevere and Sir Lancelot of the Lake, a peerless man.
The one who made this affair escalate out of control was no other,it was I.

Rumors saying the king was unfit to rule appeared, especially concerning the incident with the queen. Even as I conspired with the knights disaffected with the king, I served him loyally.

It must have been bitter to the king. The knight who claimed to be his son was loyal to him even now.

Ah his face full of gloom, as if right in front of my eyes. Thus, King Arthur made his first and last fatal mistake.

To punish Sir Lancelot, the knight betrayed him, King Arthur decided to lead an expedition to France. I was of course ordered to stay behind and command in his absence.

That was a matter of course. Through the ministers and other knights, I advertised my superiority. In fact, there was no need to advertise, since I was the only knight capable of administration.

The king named me regent and set off for France. To fight against the Knight of the Lake that he trusted in the past, how depressed must that have made him?
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>>101470065
This makes it seem like he might be Shirou's older brother or something.

Them meeting wouldn't end very well, would it?
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>>101470683
Oh right, so it's how much you can use at one time then rather than how much you have.
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Why doesn't Nasu try to make something original instead of letting his franchise run itself into the ground?
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>>101470765
Why is Saber such a bitch?
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>>101470621
>A sheath is nothing like a sword
What? It's a long, thin object. It is literally the shape of a sword because it is designed to cover a sword.

I really don't see how anyone can interpret that scene as him drawing anything but Avalon. It goddamn shows the CG of Avalon. Saber immediately uses it and declares that Shirou holds her sheath. How would she know that otherwise? She already knew he had insane regeneration and didn't make the connection. She shouldn't just "come to the conclusion", and it's not "only later", it's "immediately fucking after that occurs".

There is no possible interpretation that it's not Avalon.
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>>101470822
I estimated that the war against France, against Lancelot will be bogged down, so I immediately declared the news that King Arthur died in battle. In an emergency council, I made others accept the fact that I, the regent, was qualified to be king.

I retrieved from the vaults the symbol of kingship,Clarent The Brilliant Sword of the King
and held my coronation at Canterbury. Although it was only in form, I still became king.

After that, I proposed to Guinevere.

"Why do you speak of such foolish things?"

To the cold Guinevere, I laughed and said,

"The ones who are really foolish are you two, with your fake marriage."

I took off my helmet as I mocked them. Her frozen look in that instant was unforgettable.

The proposal had never been serious. However, the king's hatred towards me would grow. That is fine; hate me, spite me; hate me even more.

Of course, the deceit was seen through quickly. King Arthur arrived back at Britain from France.
Normally, I should have been killed when the lie was discovered. Although I was given command, I would surely be punished for making such a mess. However, those who were coerced, enticed or persuaded by me all stood at my side without exception.

It might partly be that my words were very persuasive.
However, the fundamental reason was that the people harbors discontent towards the king.
As for why, it was probably that the king was absolutely reasonable, absolutely cold; no matter who it was, he can discard them if necessary

They said that, compared to the king, I was a more humane knight
There has to be a limit to their foolishness.
I have never held affections towards any person other than myself
Humans are beings that are no good besides talking

Be they innocent children or adults, this is not changed
If you throw in a piece of meat, they will start fighting for the spoils

I did not slaughter humans only because I had no hatred towards them. Although they are to me but swarms of insects, I do not hate them.
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>>101470833
>I close my eyes and feel the magical energy pouring into me. Tohsaka isn't consciously supplying me with magical energy yet, but it's already enough to fill me up. If Emiya Shirou's magical energy capacity is 20 or 30, she always has 500 magical energy.
Shirou capacity still suck
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>>101470899
But they don't SAY Avalon. Just think about it eh.
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>>101470918
Therefore I picked whatever strategy I wanted to pick. I acted without considering those who followed me.
But strangely, I was said by people to be more like a human.

───The king who wanted to save every single person was denounced as not understanding their feelings.

───I, who never considered saving anybody, was praised for understanding them.

Laughable.

I did not betray him for any of you, but for me alone.

If you want to follow me, so be it. I will not waste any time on you. I am not interested in you, who abandoned the king who took every care for you and flattered me.

Thus, the last war began.
Although the battle of Dover was lost and the enemies landed, we slew the exhausted Sir Gawain.

After some skirmishes, I finally stood against the king on the hill of Camlann.
At this moment, the fate of the nation shall be decided, no matter who is the victor.

Even then, the king was calm.

I repeatedly called my father's name on the battlefield. Every time, his soldiers would surround me and I would scatter them.

I killed, I killed, then I killed. I cannot help but wonder why things turned out like this.
From others' points of view, this must be very boring and very foolish───I do not care.

As Mother prophesied, I became the one who doomed the kingdom───I do not care.

I engulfed the entire nation in warfare just because of my own hatred───I do not care, I do not care, I do not care!

"AR───THUR───!!"

The King of Knights finally responded to my call───thus, the final duel began.
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>>101470977

>I cannot read between the lines, therefore I CAN SAY WHATEVER IS BETWEEN THE LINES!

god fuck have some autonomy.
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>>101470934
She still can't use projection.
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>>101470992
......The victor had been determined.
The king's holy lance pierced my breastplate.
This was my defeat; no, rather, it was my victory.

After all, everything that the king has, I have reduced to nothing.
So, look at me, hate me. Curse my name, let hatred twist your face, and howl.

But, even to the very end, the king had refused to acknowledge my existence.

He turned to leave after ascertaining my demise with his emerald eyes. Without a word, without a tear, and without hate.

That was when I understood.

───Ah, indeed.
───They were right.
───The king does not understand his people.

I admit the king was perfect even to the very end. However, that was precisely the source of my hatred. O perfect king, even if you are perfect, your reign was a failure.

If I were to rule, I would have been able to accomplish it. Where the king failed, I shall succeed.
Father, if you are the perfect king, then I will certainly surpass you.
Ah, just give me one more chance. Just once more, give me the chance.
As the king did, let me draw the sword of selection.
Just, once more───

End of flashback yo
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>>101470899
It has no handle, no crossguard, no blade and is a completely different shape.
>Saber used something I made and defeated Gilgamesh's sword. A light pushed back his light and must have injured him, who was unscathed up to now.

She used something he made, no mention was made of Excalibur.
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>>101470992
Gawain gets wrecked again.
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>>101470934
I wonder how much more UBW costs than Shirou has, I mean Archer does it on his own eventually, so it can't be that much
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>>101469748
I think I remember someone saying that all humans have magic circuits, they're just not active. And quality of a magic circuit is hereditary, so the longer a magus' lineage, the stronger the circuit. First generation magi like Shirou have Wal-Mart clearance bin quality circuits, and that's why he has no talent, except for UBW which comes from who the fuck knows where.
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>>101471103
Archer has B rank Mana,
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>>101470934
In Fate, it's stated that your average mature magi has 25 "units" of prana.

Rin is just a freak like that, she's got great genetics and has been raised since birth to maximize her potential.
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>>101471071

How, exactly, can a sheath be of a "completely different shape" than THE THING IT IS SHAPED BY?
It doesn't have a blade, but it has the shape of a blade. It has no handle or crossguard, but he didn't say he had a sword in his hand. He said he had "a thing like a sword".

And again, he has nearly no idea what's going on because he is dying. But still, nearly everything implies Avalon was projected and that Merodach's light was forced back immediately following.
In particular, the CG shows Avalon with Excalibur sheathed within.
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>>101471121
But we know where UBW comes from, it's from his harrowing experience in the fire of the grail war and having Avalon stuck into him
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>>101471086
Being the sunniest is suffering.
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>>101471121
No. Only magi have circuits. Some might have sleeping, untapped ones, but your average person has none.

Some people just are born with lots of circuits, like Ciel.
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>>101471180
I meant in his life though, like when he's still white haired Shirou, I'm sure as a Servant he gets boosts, especially by being Rin's servant
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>>101464091
He had already killed her by then.
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>>101471263
He might have also made contract with stronger magus, like Shirou with Rin
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>>101471189
Because it's not a fucking cross shape, it's more of a fucking board. You cannot hold onto a sheath like a sword, there's no way Shirou would have made an error like that.

>cg
And this is before Saber runs up to him and grabs what he made, there's no reason for Excalibur to have been there.
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>>101471012
You're just mad because I'm right. It's ok.
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>>101471263

Shirou has to have B rank, at least in human terms. He can meet Medusa's gaze and not be petrified so long as he holds his concentration to its limit.
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>>101470383
Side material states that Shirou's amount/quality ratio is considered weird because even though he has a good number, they can only handle little prana.
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>>101471183
>In Fate, it's stated that your average mature magi has 25 "units" of prana.
I don't remember that. I think it only said that average magus have 20 magic circuits
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>>101471086
He is so tough they had to kill him twice
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>>101471203
You can't gain a reality marble. He was born with it.
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>>101471366

Then tell me what the fuck he traced, why Avalon appeared in his head, why Saber recognized it, and why Saber immediately knew Shirou held Avalon following?
Please, explain to me what else it must have been.
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>>101471413
She flat out tell's him that the eyes aren't as effective once somone knows about them. The whole A/B/C thing is only based on surprise.
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>>101471498
Maybe she saw it in the past. Checkmate.
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>>101471477
His entire origin was changed in the fire mate
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>>101471585

You can't change origins. It goes beyond one's life, it is the untouchable defining mark of a soul that resides in Akasha. His ego was burned away, though, which made it a lot easier to develop a reality marble.

>>101471477

You can gain and even lose reality marbles. It's just your internal world, which changes as you grow and develop as a person.
Everyone has an internal world, they just need to have a complete understanding of their own existence or something to deploy it out over the real world. Which is why it usually takes hundreds to thousands of years to do.
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>>101471477
That's not how it works.

Reality Marbles aren't an inborn power, they're created through the caster's powerful and twisted reasoning overpowering the world egg.

>>101471424
Where was this? I'd like to read it if a translation exists.
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>>101471226
He was such a nice guy. He deserves a better position than the Royal Jobber of Britain.
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>>101471709
Fuyuki wiki probably has it. Maybe. If it still exists.
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>>101471706
You're telling me that Shirou's origin was Sword even before he was put into the fire and had Avalon stuck into him? That just sounds off to me, it's too unnatural an origin to have for him to have had it without that outside influence
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>>101471706
Technically, he died completely as a person.

Shiki's went from "conflict" to "void" with her accident.

I don't see it as too strange.
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>>101471822

His origin, more specifically, is "becoming a sword" wherein sword means a weapon for an ideal.
It's an oddity, but we already have a guy who's origin is "worthlessness" so origins can get really weird.
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>>101471748
He's also the Official Trash Talker of the Harway Plutocracy.
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>>101469673
That's because he's literally a different guy

At first you're supposed to think "Hmph, with this atitude it really is that same Matou Shinji" at first, but over the course of the week you realize that even if the effect is the same the reason is very different. By which I mean his arroganance and foolish attitude is the result of him being eight years old and just thinking that this was all a video game, so he was just some Halo brat in reality or something. He's a very good hacker in the real world which is how he got in the contest to begin with, and he's also a sperm sample child without a father, but he didn't realize this shit was real until he was about to die
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>>101471822
I'm thinking his origin didn't change just because Avalon got stuck up his ass, but because it sat there for ten years.
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>>101471944
Well I meant it was the catalyst, not necessarily that it happened on the spot, else Iri would have the same origin
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>>101471908
Nasu confirmed a few years ago that Avalon did indeed change his origin. He was not born with the sword origin.
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>>101471911
Poor kid. He was still a dick.
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>>101471888

Shiki has an extremely unique circumstance of having two souls, and then the bizarrely unique event of one of those souls dying.

>>101472028

He said it changed his magical affinity, not his origin.
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>>101472029
Most kids are dicks, play Cod sometime or go to a playground
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>>101472029
Kids playing MMO's online do tend to be dicks, since "Fuck you, it's just a game".
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>>101472028
I remember seeing this, but was it "affinity" or "origin" he said specifically?

I've been seeing this argument pop up now and then, and I really want to know.
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>>101471911
Yeah, I knew it wasn't the same guy, he didn't though.
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>>101472052
>Shiki has an extremely unique circumstance of having two souls, and then the bizarrely unique event of one of those souls dying.
Shirou died in a magical fire, only staying alive by throwing away everything he was before and devoting himself to saving people.

It's possible. Though really I do prefer the idea of his Origin being sword from before.
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>>101472176

His body died, but his soul is still there. You're not supposed to be able to change your origin at all, it's a sort of absolute thing.

I wonder where it's said that Shiki's origin changed?
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>>101472110
Origin is essentially what you were born to do, affinity is what you're good at. Tohsaka, I believe, has an origin for jewel and an affinity for the basic elements, meaning she can cast basic elemental spells easily as well as use jewel magic easily.
Shirou has swords as an origin and Avalon changed his affinity to swords. So instead of two powers he has one, but his power in it is exponentially larger. It's incredibly rare to share an origin and affinity and when you do your powers in that very limited subject border on reality bending.
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>>101472014
Oh. Well in that case I agree with you.



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