Why is there no full version of this OP? This version of Little Busters! EX sounds much better than the EX VN version, dammit.
Was LB so shit that everybody forgot about it when it stopped airing?
I'm watching it now. I'm on refrain and at times the show's been shit but mostly I like it. I doubt I'll forget about it after I'm done watching.
The anime was a shit adaptation of the VN, so yes.
They'll probably do an EX OST release after EX airs or something. The EX Anime version is pretty great.
I'll be editing for RefrainSubs but I'm not watching eps 3-4 of Saya's arc. No need to spoil what's apparently one of Maeda's best routes, after all.
Our subs are slow because we're waiting for a proper BD rip so that we don't have to v0 our release.
>after EX airs
I assume you mean after all the BDs are out? I hope they would, anyway. The first OST has it already, but only TV size, which is pretty much useless since I could've ripped it out of the episode to begin with.
And yes, Saya's route is indeed great. In LB, it's only second to Refrain, I'd say.
But how will you edit the subs without watching, though?
Is the VN worth reading? I like the anime and you make the anime sound like shit compared to the VN, which is expected.
IMO, it's not as shit as everyone makes it out to be.
If you liked the anime, you should check out the VN, anyway.
I wrote a bit hastily, I guess.
I'm going to watch EX episodes 1-2,5-8 to edit them. I'll be absent for episodes 3-4, when the more important stuff is shown.
It's a pretty weak adaptation. I don't even feel like KyoAni did a successful job at presenting Kanon, and I'd even recommend that VN over the anime if you want the full story impact. If you can read the source material for something before watching its adaptation, it's probably worth it, especially for VNs. There's so much lacking in the LB adaptation in every regard. As someone who has seen/read almost everything from Key, the anime adaptation is one of the most disappointing things derived from Key.
The anime has an overwhelming capability for the following: cheesiness, not engaging overall, has rushed story development and unnecessary anime-only plot holes, is unintentionally unfunny, is poorly and clumsily animated, has overly annoying voice acting that isn't similar to the VN (Masato). There are so many unnecessary issues that when you add them all up and factor that into thousands of people watching, you're guaranteed to piss off people and ruin the intended experience of the show.
I personally was annoyed with Ayu's portrayal in Kanon. I watched it and she annoyed me too much and I never liked her. Her voice acting made her sounds YEARS older in the VN, and her speech was more pleasant and enjoyable, and now she's a favorite Key character of mind. After rewatching the anime, she's annoying there again. It's a sort of thing that happens in adaptations.
A friend of mine watched all of LB and hated Masato, and now finds him be hilarious in the VN. A main character being ruined because of annoying portrayal should justify picking up the VN. Seeing even KyoAni have issues with this has further reminded me that the source material is usually better.
>when the more important stuff is shown
A certain scene in the OP itself spoils the main twist in Saya's route, though the spoiler is basically hidden in plain sight.
I already know a handful of the twists, and with JC Staff in charge of subtlety, I've already seen them toss out a bunch of hints. I've seen the CGs and glazed over the synopsis. I'd rather just read it in its entirety and get the buildup and impact for the scenes there. I can't expect to get attached to Saya in a measly 4 episodes. I can't get around to learning Japanese with my backlog and college work. I'd rather read and watch things somewhat leisurely in English rather than pour a lot of my time into learning Japanese right now.
I still laugh at that. Fucking JC Staff.
>and with JC Staff in charge of subtlety, I've already seen them toss out a bunch of hints
This is honestly kind of pissing me off. They're giving out obvious hints where there were none in the VN. Why do they even do that? It's been a while since I read EX, so I don't really remember, but I think the VN didn't even have the part where Riki gets a sense of nostalgia upon seeing Saya.
Anyway, if you know the general idea of the plot, I guess seeing the whole thing won't make much of a difference.
I liked the VN but the refrain adaptation was so bad I forgot about it and started discussing other better things.
Wont even bother watching EX, I dont need a double dose of disappointment.
Hell, it's even there when Riki first goes to see Kyousuke to ask about the Executives of Darkness.
Why are they doing this?
RIP in piece Saya ;_;7
Vladz0r, are you talking about the adaptation as someone who had been thoroughly exposed to the VNs? No wonder you're disappointed.
Friendly reminder that Sasami is the final member of the Little Busters! and that her teamwork with Riki is better than with the others.
Reminder that when Saya was in the picture, Riki didn't give two shits about any of the other girls and kept spending time, loop after loop, with her until Kyousuke hatched a plan to kick her out.
Everybody surviving at the end made Rin and Rikki's character growth cheap.
And then she died buried in a mudslide thanks to Kyousuke. No wonder the Sayafag in the Best Key Girl thread hates Kyousuke so much.
Not really. Where would they apply what they learned from Kyousuke if everyone died?
Everyone survived BECAUSE of the Rin and Riki's growth. Don't know how it could be cheap if it's like that.
Except she didn't die. She was dreaming the whole time and woke up in a hospital. she got a great ending
That's set in the afterlife anon. >That final りきくん！あそっぼー！
I hate him for it too. But I somewhat I understand why he did it. Considering he thought he was dying, he had to prioritize his best friend and his sister over everyone else. No time to think of some random dying girl.
I still fucking hate him for it, though.
Fuck you, man. It's not nice to lie about this.
Can we all agree Kurugaya a best and they completely fucked her route in the Refrain adaption?
Saya died in the real world. But before her death, the "time machine" she found sent her to another dream world where she grew up with the Little Busters instead of having her father take her to some war-torn shithole.
It really killed my passion for the discussion of the source material and left a bad taste in my mouth,sadly. I was so hyped for it to air, and now I've seen every event I looked forward to just appear mediocre and forgettable. I'm playing through Key's other works and finding other stuff to do, and I still try to recommend the VN to people and deter them from reading the VN.
I was dying laughing when I saw this in the trailer.
As a stand-alone anime, it has a ton of fundamental issues irrelevant to "being close to the source material."
I've examined the adaptation on several different levels and discussed it for hundreds of hours. Some other VN adaptations I've seen aren't as much of a huge disappointment with how things are handled. The anime just screams mediocrity most of the time, save for some episodes where they randomly decide "Okay, let's do really precise screenplay with a lot of nuanced characterization and make a great episode." But then later on, "Okay, so let's make Masato a skinny drunken zombie. This should work fine and still be emotional and relatable."
I went into several episodes with extremely low expectations, and JC Staff managed to fall even lower than that. It's just a cheap and rushed adaptation that caters to the core VN fanbase in Japan. I personally couldn't even enjoy the climax of the anime.
Anyway, I've discussed it to death already, and I've heard the "judging it based on the VN" argument literally at least 100 times. I should've used trips from the beginning, but I'd probably have gotten flamed back when I discussed this shit all day.
Well, on another point, I find it cool to see bits of Refrain in Maeda's older works. Stuff like in Kanon ""Mai, from now on will start anew. The time that had stopped will now move forward" transient miracles, a world of endless red (blue=Mio), transient miracles (Kanon and the LB dream world), etc.
Anyway, I'm out for now. LB saikou.
You're definitely mistaken bud. I just finished her route yesterday. Basically there was a construction accident after saya returned to japan and she ended up stuck in that situation. The whole route was a long dream as they described it. She woke up not too long afterwards in a hospital, the same one as Riki.
>I've examined the adaptation on several different levels and discussed it for hundreds of hours.
Well, that's the problem.
>I was dying laughing when I saw this in the trailer.
If you're already at the point of laughing at that, sad to say, but you'll probably not warm up to Saya very much. Knowing that her spy persona is that of a manga character can change your impression of her.
Sorry, but you misunderstood the end immensely.
But this can be a good thing. Get out now and never look up the real end. Be blissfully ignorant.
How are you interpreting it? I don't understand what you are trying to prove
I'm not trying to prove anything. The real ending is >>101377139 , and I don't like that. It's better to interpret it your way, but it's too late for me now.
No no no no that's not even close. That shithole was one of the places her father traveled to. He's a doctor and they kept moving around to different countries around the world to treat people. She doesn't die no joke
The adaptation really killed my passion for LB too, im just going to forget the adaptation exists and that EX exists.
I loved LB and the ending so I dont want to ruin what was a great experience with shit like this.
Im going to put my hopes on rewrite now, Rewrite anime when?
>That shithole was one of the places her father traveled to. He's a doctor and they kept moving around to different countries around the world to treat people.
>She doesn't die no joke
I wish, man. I wish.
Fuck I really want to watch EX, but I don't want to go in without having read the VN EX first, I'm so anxious for a translation
But LB was good anon.
Also, at the assumed time that she dies from that post they have already moved back to japan. Her father and her agreed that he was done with being involved in all those things. The time machine she mentions is a metaphor referring to the fact that when she wakes up from the dream she'll be a kid again. It's not a literal time machine nor did she find anything.
>I'm so anxious for a translation
You can stay anxious for your whole life.
>He thinks doki will release any time soon
Wait until 2016.
It was to see the psychology behind different people's reactions towards the show. I knew it didn't click with me well at all and with a lot of anime watchers, and I started to look at other shows more closely, trace character development and narration more closely and just simply figure out how anime convey their content successfully. Things like music direction, drawing angles, voice acting, pacing, dragging on events for too long or developing them too little, etc. I wanted to see why some people are tearing up or getting excited for the show and others are just like "Wow, that came out of nowhere." It wasn't that I nitpicked everything on my first watch. I sat down comfortably and watched eat episode with some breakfast and hoped to enjoy it.
One thing in particular was the episode 6 baseball game. As a VN player, I didn't find too much wrong with it aside from Miyuki appearing. I was waiting for this baseball game to be adapted for nearly a year at this point, and I was ready for it when it came. I was surprised to see people call the game "forced drama" out of nowhere. I realized that they basically challenge a prepared Kyousuke at the field, to which he accepts to play on the spot, with Masato coming out right after. The mood is barely established. It didn't even affect me when I watched it, but it's something I'm aware for when I talk to someone who's watching the anime and brings up how sporadic it is. It's a sort of thing that could've fit in the episode. Making sure the main event of an episode doesn't come out of nowhere SHOULD be a priority, but it wasn't. From gauging people's opinions and statements on the show, I feel like I've learned quite a bit about how anime work on a few different levels, from the enthusiast to the casual watcher. For that, I'm glad it existed.
I knew about the manga thing, but I thought it was funny for JC Staff to be so blatant about it. I wasn't like "Ahaha, it's Saya on the manga!"
Kill me now. Fucking Dokes
>they have already moved back to japan
Then her father found work as a doctor at a construction site. That's where the landslide occured. That's where she went into the dreamworld from.
Face it, man. She died.
Friendly reminder that you will never see the EX manga translated and edited in high quality scans and that you should avoid Kisu KMS's release and just wait on the translation or the even better option just learn moon.
I have learned to keep myself from over- or under-analyzing stuff in anime. For example, I'd be autistic (read: highly focused on detail) if I watch Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon, but I'll just sit back and watch when it comes to "less fantastical" things like Chuunibyou or Little Busters.
I stopped watching the anime when they skipped almost everything in rin2.
I just couldnt continue, that was too much for me.
The LB love is over, it didnt work out.
nononono, their house/hospital was being built there. That's when the accident happened. It was just a dream man she wakes up at the end as a kid. Barely any time passed for her in the real world
Tell me, under what conditions does one enter the dream world of the Little Busters? What was in common with all of them?
The requirements as stated in the game are strong feelings and a wish.
Kyoukai no Kanata and LB crossover when?
The strong feelings are what created it. But it was because everyone was fucking dying.
I give up, anyway. Trying to explain this is fucking killing me because I don't want to remember it. She's my favourite Key character and I didn't want her to die. Still makes me sad and mad both when I think of it.
You should go to the VN thread in /jp/ or /vg/ and ask about it if you still think Saya didn't die.
You should just find something fun to kill time, that way you'll be surprised when the translation comes in ten years.
It's pretty fucking hard to explain unless I literally do a summary of the whole route. I'm 100% certain she lives, don't believe shit saying shes dead from nobody. Play it and see for yourself.
But I did play it. Twice. I don't see how you think that she lives. You're the first person ever that I've seen that thinks this.
Also look up the lyrics of her theme song.
Did you machine translate it or can you read moon?
I can read. Had to look up a few words here and there, but that's what denshi jisho is for.
if you can though, shouldn't it be pretty clear she didn't die? Everything after when riki wakes up should be enough
>8 iterations of the dream world needed to get rin and riki to the point where they can save everyone in the real world
When we see Riki in the dorm at the end, talking with Kyousuke, Saya is already out of their dreamworld.
Aya seeing herself in a hospital, with her father, is another dream that she's having while she's dying in the real world. She dreams that she is the one who was with Riki as they grew up. Notice how Rin is not there?
And if you still haven't figured out, Aya and Riki used to play with each other when they were kids, before she went with her father on his mad doctors without borders shit.
It's crazy when you think about it and take into account the EX version of Little Busters. With all the bad ends included, Riki canonically slept with all the female members of the Little Busters team. That adds up to around 9 different women I think.
>Saya isn't out of their dream world. They are out of hers. You can confirm this if you refer to sasami's case. At that same point Kyousuke tells Riki if she really did go to the past then they'll meet again.
>At this point Saya has also woke up from the dream and finds herself in the hospital and she tells her dad about everything that happened in that dream. She says she fell in love with a boy named riki and her dad says that the boy who she usually plays with has the same name. It's the same Riki, they are in the same hospital. Everything still happened the same way for riki, but saya is now there with him in this ending.
>Yeah that's obvious
>Saya isn't out of their dream world. They are out of hers.
They were always in Kyousuke's world. The only point at which it becomes Saya's world is in the sukurebo end, which is just a joke end.
And unlike with Sasami's route which happens after Refrain, Saya's route happens before.
Anyway, I'm out of here now. Don't want to remember this shit and get depressed all over again.
And again I tell you, look up the lyrics to her theme song.
I pray for the day Rewrite is animated
I see how you are interpreting it now.
You think after she wakes up that's another dream. In my case I think it's the real world. That'd be the only discrepancy.
>doing Romeo Tanaka's descriptions justice
It'd take a Key magic miracle.