Why did 2012 and 2013 not have any anime series as popular and iconic as Steins;Gate, Madoka, and Nichijou in 2011?
It's the madoka of the k-on genre.
Give it time.
What is SSY? What is Jinrui?
"Popular" I wont since it "helped" spreading anime to those kinds of normalfags who come to these boards to tell everyone about how they have mature and adult tastes unlike manchild moefags etc. but it's so far from iconic it isn' even funny
Show is boring as fuck. Its a struggle to watch the last 4 episodes. It's not funny at all. Its just really well drawn KyoAnus shit.
You done goof'd
Well, there's Monogatari
I'm not a titanfag, but making sense of your post is really difficult.
Stop spouting shit you don't know shit about.
But it did. And it's getting an S2.
2012 has plenty.
2013 was kind of shit. I agree.
The JoJo manga is far more popular and iconic than the anime, dude. The anime was just great fanservice, and perhaps gave birth to new and a few annoying jojofags
Switch it for Nisemonogatari then?
I've actually been thinking about this, We haven't really had a series at Madokas, Steins;Gate or PenguinDrum's level since 2011.
Say what you want about Madoka but it had such a huge impact and episode 3 was really one of the bigger shock deaths in recent years it was also the last anime that really had a unique style.
Steins;Gate Had a good story and some very memorbile characters
PenguinDrum was really the last 2DEEP4U anime.
nothing has really came close to 2011, When your anime of the year is a pretty generic .Hack// clone and another average show somethings not right, Not saying they were bad they just wern'weren't great.
>Why did 2012 and 2013 not have any anime series as popular and iconic as Steins;Gate, Madoka, and Usagi Drop in 2011?
Madoka is the only one that really stands above. Steins;Gate was good, but no better than the best anime of other recent years.
I think 2014 could top it.
Fate/Zero, SAO, Jojo
SnK, Kill La Kill,
Both years had plenty.
Regardless of peoples opinion of Nichijou, 2011 was a damn good year.
Man I miss those Nichijou threads, I loved the it but it was such fun acting as though the whole thing was shit and annoying the fans.
>popular and iconic
I really shouldn't even have to say it.
Holy fuck, what a newfag pleb. Come back when you've seen more than 10 anime.
Personally, I think SSY is also up there with those but sadly it's extremely underrated due to faggots dropping it over one homosexual kiss.
Oh? So these aren't some of the most prominent anime to come out in 2011?
Fuck off and die you useless shitposter.
Like I said, come back when you've seen more than 10 anime, little newfag bitch.
2012 has SSY
2013 has.. don't know.. does NnA count?
>little newfag bitch
Oh, the irony.
2013 has Little witch Academia.
What about Shinsekai Yori? It wasn't nearly as popular as Madoka or Nichijou but it's still one of the best shows recently. I woulnd't call it iconic but it deserves to be mentioned in this thread.
2013 has Monogatari Second Season.
2012 has SSY.
Nichijou was a flop dude.
>faggots dropping it
I thought people were just joking about this.
I fully agree, the problem is it just wasn't popular enough to be called iconic. It did suffer from some problems in production values and slight pacing issues around the middle, but it's still mostly due to the fact that so many people just dropped it at the first sign of homolove, no matter how relevant or well-done it was.
People are still huge homophobes, and SSY could never get any recognition.
Nope, people actually dropped it because of it. Retards.
JoJo I'll count.
Fate/Zero started in 2011 and the back half wasn't as good as the first.
No, tons of people actually did drop it over that. For every 'joke' you see on 4chan, assume that a significant portion of the people saying it mean it very literally.
The fact that it was a flop doesn't mean it wasn't iconic. Plus it's more of a love it or hate it thing. There are many huge Nichijou fags around.
Because they were shit years.
Hopefully 2014 will be as good as 2011.
A great show, but a sequel. I think an original series is necessary for the spirit of what OP is talking about.
It was absolute shit, no I didn't drop it because of homo stuff. Watched it completely.
Just because you don't like a show, that doesn't mean it's not popular or iconic.
Then you wouldn't say it is "shit"
2012 icon is SAO, SnK
Face it /a/, it's so shitty that we will remember it for the next 10-20 years, the icon of 2012.
Just because you like a show doesn't make it iconic either.
Nichijou and Steins Gate are nothing special and I liked Steins Gate.
>watched it completely
I will never get this. Anime shouldn't be a chore. If you don't like it, maybe find something better to do?
What is Shingeki no Kyojin
But Stein's Gate and Nichijou aren't original series.
Anyway to answer your question Fate/Zero, Kill la Kill, Kyousougiga, Shin Sekai Yori, and regardless of whether you like it or not SnK
What the hell do you mean by iconic anyway?
If you have to ask, then the answer is no.
SnK is 2013.
I watched it because I made a friend of mine watch something else.
So he watched Black Lagoon and I had to put up with this shit.
I disagree about SSY being iconic.
It's good but that gay kiss sure hammer it down quite low.
'12/'13 didn't really have stand-out hits... it was just a subdued, overarching victory for slice of life.
I agree for sao, but SnK wasn't shit
Oh god, it really is isn't it. You know a year sucks when the only thing close to iconic is the popular shounen action show of the year.
Yuyushiki will probably keep a decent fanbase around /a/ for a while, but its nowhere close to iconic.
SSY makes up for all the shit in 2012.
I don't think I'd call any of those except SnK iconic. Iconic is something that becomes somewhat of a cultural icon, at least within its own realm of influence. Steins;gate and most certainly Madoka are such shows; shows that virutally every current anime-watcher has seen, that are referenced elsewhere (not just in anime but in pop culture), etc. Nichijou not so much, unless you possibly count its affect on 4chan specifically (and maybe 2ch, I don't know since I don't read moon).
SnK definitely fits that bill, but the rest don't. KlK might fit it in the future, depending on how it ends and what kind of impact it leaves.
2013 has been one of my least favorite years in a while. Probably since 2004, and I'm probably just saying that because I haven't watched a lot of shows from 2004
I already figured it out, but no is probably right. Too many people like me that never bothered picking that one up. I'll watch it eventually.
Steins;Gate is part of a series, but can stand alone. Nisemonogatari was simply a follow up to the much more iconic Bakemonogatari.
That said, I'm not going to argue that Nichijou and Steins;Gate are iconic. To be clear, I am not OP, I'm just trying to get at what he means.
The gay kiss was iconic. Free was kind of important too for similar reasons.
What none of the shows listed are like that.
Unless you're listing what is popular among Western Anime fans, but who gives a shit about them?
Is it just a glorified popularity contest then this thread is worthless and everyone should be banned.
people are tired of anime with school setting and cute girls doing cute things
I can't imagine that the OP would ask such an inherently wrong question unless he/she was thinking, "well, I didn't like the popular and iconic shows of 2012 and 2013, so I just won't count them".
Yeah, judging by the 2014 lineup, we have a few contenders for shows that might be remembered
>Sidonia no Kishi
>Mekaku City Actors
and who knows, maybe Chaika or Captain Earth might be remembered.
Yeah, 2013 was weak. Good thing 2014 is looking decent so far.
>none of the shows listed are like that.
Okay so S;G is sort of arguable (I'm not OP, btw), but are you seriously suggesting that Madoka or SnK isn't like that? Where on earth have you been living?
You don't know what iconic means. The gay kiss was a shitstorm. It was not iconic. Free was a shitstorm and a notable turning point for KyoAni as a studio, but again, not iconic.
Wait, I agree with you about that.
>Free was kind of important too for similar reasons.
Everyone will remember the destruction of Kyoani
Yuyushiki deserves more love.
and a second season
Do you guys forget the VVV rape?
>people are tired of anime with school setting and cute girls doing cute things
You're a total newfag if you believe that otaku will ever get tired of that.
Also, stop acting like SnK or KlK are the only titles of the year that aren't set in high school, faggot. Not to mention neither of those break anime norms either, they're both full of edgy teenagers trying to save the world. Yeah, real original. If anything broke a norm it was Psycho-Pass for having a horror / action setting and NOT having the cast entirely composed of teenagers.
Stein's Gate and Nichijou are both adaptations, is what I was getting at.
The only anime original series on OP's list is Madoka
>Iconic is something that becomes somewhat of a cultural icon, at least within its own realm of influence.
No none of the shows listed accomplish this.
SnK and Madoka are not some cultural icons among anime, they're just shows that sold well and got popular.
JoJo is working off of 30 years of legacy. It's great what David is doing with it, but JoJo as a series is already iconic. It's hard to call the adaptation of it in 2014 anything but an extension of the original.
Is inferno cop so shit it gets mentioned like this?
>SnK and Madoka are not some cultural icons among anime
But they totally are.
I though word like deconstruction become popular and abused after Madoka. So I think it's have quite of influence.
But they totally aren't. This is disregarding what Western Anime fans think, because they're opinions are more or less worthless when talking about things like this.
I suppose I misused "original series". What I really meant was "Not a sequel to the already popular series".
What is Evangelion
I doubt you know what it means. That kiss is iconic in terms of SSY at least. Free is iconic as the start of that turning point. It's a mark of the current era of KyoAni.
Kill la Kill was set in high school, though.
I actually dropped SSY well before the homo.
I can't see how many word of deconstruction being misused before madoka. It's limited to Evangelion.
Just look now, an anime that just trying to be a little different and word like deconstruction is easily spotted.
Jesus are you some sort of ultra-weaboo who thinks that things aren't popular in Japan because they are popular in the west?
Madoka is one of the best selling anime in years, has the best selling movie based off late night anime ever, and is lauded by fans and critics in Japan, including directors from other studios. SnK is fucking huge, with every cosplayer and his mother dressing up as a titan or levi or whatever, and has even spawned a fucking car commercial for Subaru.
Both shows have been taking up about half the top ten character polls on newtype for like a year. How dense are you?
Chuunibyou aired in Fall of 2012.
Free aired in Summer of 2013.
It is currently Winter of 2014.
What you are saying right now is the the "current era of KyoAni", which was unarguably marked by their production of original series rather than adaptations, was marked by Free! 2 seasons ago, 3 seasons after it began.
Those shows are huge cultural phenomena in Japan with mainstream recognition. Stop acting like the west is the entire world.
2011 > 2010 > 2012 > 2013
2014 is already a good year. I like this decade a lot so far.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
>problems in production values
What do you mean?
Because then it just becomes a popularity contest.
Hence why the discussion just becomes, what anime is REALLY popular, and why hasn't x anime been AS EXTREMELY POPULAR as this anime. These things don't make them cultural icons either.
Gundam is a cultural icon in anime, Fist of the North Star is a cultural icon in anime, JoJo is a cultural icon in anime.
Madoka and SnK are not they're just really popular shows. If you use iconic to mean, which show do people think about when they see x year then yeah those shows are going to come up, but not which show has become a "cultural icon" in it's medium then no those shows won't come up because that isn't something we can measure in such a short space of time.
If that's the case then Nichijou doesn't.
Do you understand how time works or do I need to draw a chart?
It sounds like you mean to say "iconic" is defined as what you personally fap to as a gay faggot. You might as well consider all kinds of porn like DxD, Queen's Blade, and Qwaser iconic if that's all it takes.
Why do you think SSY is shit? Please develop.
You seem to be arguing from an historical perspective. Everything you just listed as iconic is 30 years old. Does nothing else qualify? Would you have called Haruhi iconic? If so, why does Madoka not qualify?
It was really, really gay.
Alright, in all seriousness, it was merely alright. Don't know why some people like it so much. Wasn't boring. Had pacing issues though.
I'm not gay. I think you're getting upset that one of the defining images of your favorite show of 2012 is two men kissing. I liked the show too, but you're wrong to deny that that image is iconic of the series in many viewers minds.
So you're saying you can't possibly call something iconic until a decade or so has passed? I disagree. If it made a large enough impact, even for a limited time, then it is iconic. If it broke records in terms of sales or recognition, it's probably iconic.
Either way, I'm willing to bet that neither Madoka nor SnK will be forgotten anytime soon (and for the record I hate SnK). Regarding Nichijou I agree, but I never claimed it was iconic.
JoJo is an icon in manga, and its anime didn't have that much of an effect. Madoka and SnK are the crossover hits representing modern anime to the mainstream in Japan. If those aren't iconic, then you must think nothing can be iconic until it's more than a decade old. Age is not part of the definition of iconic.
Haruhi is 10 years old
Chuunibyou isn't even really original. Tamako Market was not popular enough. Free is the icon of modern KyoAni.
SnK, Sword Art Online and Fate/Zero were definitely as popular as what you've listed.
I wouldn't describe any of what you've listed as iconic.
For me Penguindrum was a standout incredible show, but that's personal opinion and those shows don't have to appear every couple of years.
Chihayafuru 2, Jojo, Kyousogiga are all great shows in this year.
things just happen
iconic =/= good
Quality, awful pacing
Killing of the kid with black hair after a while, his development was not enough for me to care about him.
And there's a lot of other stuff that was just bad.
Not enough Yuri as well.
>Nichijou aired three years ago
Simply put it's too new to measure whether something like that has the lasting impact to be considered iconic.
SnK is WAY too new to see what kind of impact it will have.
Really arguing which shows are iconic "in the sense that I think OP wants to use" or not is a really silly because there's more to it then what has been popular over the last couple of years.
Whether or not something has become iconic isn't something we can tell right away.
Come back after the SnK manga has ended and Madoka has finally been wrapped up and we can make a decision on this.
The fact that OP has shows like Nichijou and Stein's Gate means that he's probably just looking at Western Popularity which definitely is definitely NOT a good way to determine whether or not something is iconic.
Both of the events that caught your attention were gay ones, so it's pretty likely you're gay. And favorite show? Please, it's still on my backlog and I don't remember hearing that much about the kiss before this thread, since everyone seemed to be more concerned with bonobos, their social system, and Squealer at the time.
Psycho pass maybe
If you do require something to be old to be iconic, then OP's question wouldn't make sense, since it would then be impossible for anything from 2012 or 2013 to ever be iconic.
>Both of the events that caught your attention were gay ones, so it's pretty likely you're gay
The gay scene was bonobos. Squealer is the other big thing in SSY. I don't know how you can pretend to know what you're talking about if you haven't even seen the series.
My favorite of 2012 was Hyouka, but I'm not going to pretend that was iconic just because I enjoyed it.
It was an in-house production. Even the fact that it was adapted from their own LN is almost irrelevant when you consider how utterly divorced the anime is from the original.
Popularity has nothing to do with it either way. The turning point of modern KyoAni was when they stopped producing adaptations for others and started producing their own shows.
Okay, I totally agree about "killing the kid with black hair", I didn't cared too much about him too but on the other hand you did't have too. It was important because of what it brings to the story, and his whole story explains many things about how the "New World" works if you know what I mean. So his death was more important as a point in the storyline, not because of it's emotional impact, because, like you said, it hardly had any.
You mean "quality" graphics and animation? There were quite many beautiful landscapes and well made sceneries and overall graphic design was really original and just pleasent to watch so "quality" is the last word I would describe this show with.
> awful pacing
Slow pace doesn't mean awful pacing. Do you watch any other movies than Pacific Rim or Avangers?
Both did though. It's just a lot of them are bad like SnK.
Does KyoAni publish their own LNs besides the ones that get adapted or do they just buy the things they turn into anime?
You're ignoring the other half of it. Free represents a change from the moe/slice of life/cute girls style KyoAni was used to. The beginning of an expansion in what kind of material KyoAni is willing to animate. KnK continued this trend, even though it was again an adaptation.
2013: VVV S1
Only the rape scene got any attention really.
None of those are iconic.
They haven't departed nearly enough from moe/slice of life/cute girls to call it a meaningful trend. KnK was not a departure from that. Even Free was just a gender switch.
>just a gender switch
>implying meguca is good
Wow what a shit opinion.
Madoka and Steins;Gate are. Fuck off nui.
And Nichijou is probably in the comedy genre
Mushishi second season this year.
>Gurren Lagann aired 40 years ago
>Gurren Lagann never aired
If were considering "iconic" as in iconic of anime as a whole, there's no reason to say that SG is iconic but SAO and SnK aren't.