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> You get to participate in the 6th Grail War.

> You summoned your servant.

> It's this guy.

What happens next?

I'd peg him as a Rider. Mofuckin Panzer Force.
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You would peg Hitler?
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Nyarlathotep?
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>>101331171
But that's Fuhrer.
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I want this guy, he would make a good Saber, Archer, or Rider.
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Class: Rider
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>>101331963
He'd definitely be a Saber, Master Sword and all.
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Hitler would be an awful servant. His only feat in combat was getting blinded by mustard gas. Armchair generals aren't heroes.
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>>101331171

Instant grail.

NON SO NOBLE PHANTASM: AUSCHWITZ BIRKENAU
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>>101331963
>>101332074
The problem with Link is that there's a fuckin' lotta Links.
It'd be a scenario like Robin Hood wherein you get a Link but it might just be the shitty Legend of Zelda 1 Link and not the hero of time you were wanting.
Also he'd be really poor against non-evil foes and is entirely fictional but who cares.
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Class - Assassin.
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>>101331171
That's not Hitler, that's Nyarlathotep. So you just win.
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>>101332410
What if someone else summoned Ajimu?
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>>101332120

Not necessarily. While a shitty general, he was a half-decent soldier and was able to win the hearts and minds of millions. I imagine his Noble Phantasm would be something along the lines of summoning the Wehrmacht to fight in his name while having Erika play in the background. His Charisma will be through the fucking roof, I wouldn't be surprised if you could make him charm a few masters to win the grail.

Question would be what his wish would be. The Greater German Reich extending into Russia, Pilduski not dying in the 30's and extending his life well past the 50's, or getting accepted into the Art university
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>>101332613
Hitler never marched into battle alongside his soldiers, most of them died cursing him by the end of the war, why would they be linked to him beyond time and space?
Alexander's Ionian Companions is a very special NP, it's not like every military commander instantly gets their whole fucking army to summon at any time. Alexander doesn't even get his whole army, only his advance guard (the Companions) who he recruited each man personally to and fought alongside in every battle.

If King Arthur can't bring in the entire Round Table despite being intrinsically welded to the legend, no commander can just wave their hand and get free armies.
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>>101332843
>no commander can just wave their hand and get free armies
Im pretty sure rider did that
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>>101332937

No, Alexander got a single legion he personally fought with his entire life and persuaded each to follow his own dream. His actual army was far, far larger, the Companions are just the vanguard that he rode into enemy forces with.
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>>101332613
>hitler wins da grail bowl
>wishes to go back in time and get accepted in the art university
>smiles as he fades away

;_;
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>>101331171
i bet his nobel phantasm invoves summoning warships tankds and all kind of militar vehicles that shoot a mix of regular ammunition and magic
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>>101332843

Neither did Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, or Degaulle march with their soldiers on the frontlines. No modern leader marches with the vanguard.

And while a large part of the soldiers did start to hate his guts near the end of the war, that's mostly attributed to the fact they have been fighting the Russians constantly for three years, while having to deal with bombers from the English and Americans. They weren't winning the war either, and that added to the men's frustrations. It was never about the fact he wasn't there fighting alongside them.

The Generals tho', that's another story. Even so, there were those who still believed in Hitler and The Third Reich, fanatics as well existed, so theres no reason this certain people, especially the fanatics, wouldn't be linked to him. I'm not counting chucklefucks such as modern-day American Neo-Nazis by the way.

The whole idea of giving him an army was just to give him some combat abilities of his own, else the Master will have to work with his charm and silver tongue to win the grail.

Actually, wait. Scrap that, that would be pretty interesting. Give Hitler to a philosopher and I'd pay money to see how it would turn out.
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Why is Kotomine such a cockblock? I mean, the entire war Cu could have been doing the Bazett, and Kotomine stopped them at day 4.

Would you a Prince?
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>>101333152

>Goering now leads the German Nazi Party
>Get's elected much like Hitler did
>Drives Germany into the ground in 3 months and completly finishes destroying it
>Communists either rebel again or the USSR and France try to buy out the German land.

Rip Germany
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>>101332451
>yfw Iihiko is summoned as Berserker
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>implying that's Hitler.
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>>101333607
>Kumagawa as Lancer
Who would Zen and Medaka be?
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>>101332843

You realise Alexander basically murdered most of his most loyal commanders and decimated his own army by ordering march through desert on a whim to punish them for disobeying is order to go further west?
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>>101333771
Medaka would be Saber because she always wins.
Zenkichi would be Archer, because he dies. A lot.
Munakata would be an ironic Assassin.
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>>101333833

Yeah, and the vast majority of Alexander's army didn't join him in his dream. Only a war host of ~2000 come to his call in Ionioi Hetairoi. The ones who didn't want to turn back, the ones who wanted to go west with their king.
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>>101334042
>>101333607
>>101332451
>FRESH - Berserker
>Kumagawa - Lancer due to shit lck
>Munakata - Assassin
>Ajimu - whatever class she wants though likely Caster
>Medaka - Saber through her broken ability
>Zen - Archer through snark and not actually using a ranged weapon
...Who's Rider then?
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>>101331171
Caster. He summons GAS
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>>101334489
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>>101333152
>Shirou...ich liebe dich
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>>101332613
>he was a half-decent soldier and was able to win the hearts and minds of millions
I'd rather summon genghis khan, or any khan for that.
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>not having this guy as Rider instead
>implying Red Army isn't the best Noble Phantasm
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Send him back and summon Rommel instead.
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>>101335321
>not summoning Stalin
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>>101335110
Did I say Caster? I mean HOLOCASTER
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>>101335254
...At least choose someone who won't get viciously slaughtered anon.

Proposing Oudo for Super Robot shenanigans.
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>>101335415
Rommel was mediocre at best. He got his position by being close friends with Hitler and was seen as too reckless to be sent to the more important Eastern front, so they sent him to Africa.

He was promoted too fast and put in charge of too many men, he could lead small groups HIGHLY effectively and had a good history of doing so but putting him in charge of hundreds was misusing his strengths. As a result, he often overlooked logistics and dove too deep into enemy territory, leaving his men underfed and underarmed and costing them engagements they otherwise could have won, and then ultimately failed to truly conquer the North of Africa because he didn't have the know how or influence to properly and permanently secure all the territory he won from the Allies - leading to it easily being retaken once they went back on the offensive. He was charismatic, up against equally average generals and the romantic notion of a Nazi who wished to kill Hitler and sympathized with Jews while being too loyal to his country to abandon lead to him being given too much credit for his work.

Guy is overhyped as fuck, for really great German military tacticians you should look at any of the geniuses they sent out into Russia (at the worst possible time and while undermanned, mind)
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>>101335771
He'll do.I mean, even he's out of his league due to everyone else involved, but I like him. Our only other viable choice would be Hanten'in, since he did drive that armored car at one point. He's probably more competitively viable, but mechs are cooler than cars.
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>>101335428
Trotsky repelled sixteen armies commanding literal plebs on the battlefield
Stalin didn't do donkey dick

Also Trotsky is way more moe.
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>>101331171
4th Reich
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>implying he wouldn't be a Caster with A+ Territory Creation known as Lebensraum, and the ability to craft magical constructs based upon an average Blitzkrieg force
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Hitler would be a shitty servant. He has no noble phantasms. He was just a regular guy. He isn't some hero or villain whose details of history have long been forgotten. Every aspect of his life was historically documented. There is no Legend.
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>>101336255
No son Rommel was Literally The Best General ever all the autistic 14 year olds on the internet told me so.

Nevermind the fact he failed to even /almost/ conquer one of the least important theatre's in the war while vastly outnumbering his foes due to his own incompetence, he was truly a great leader.
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>>101336416
Stalin=takes control of a medieval shithole, leaves behind a superpower
Trotsky=takes control of army, leaves behind a ice-picked corpse
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>>101336349
I was originally considering Naze due to her being able to fly a jet, but reconsidered due to giant robot shenanigans and Weighted Words/Unreasonable Taxation being more interesting options considering everyone else is already a straight-up power type.
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>>101336783
To be fair the Soviet Union didn't last very long after that.
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Game over, nerds. Nobody can beat my servant autoress
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>>101336737
>There is no Legend.

I wouldn't go that far. Hitler the Man and Hitler the Historical Figure are often very different from each other due to the perception of him many hold - some, such as neo-nazis, general racists and the like see him as a deific figure in possession of the greatest array of skills, tactical knowledge and perhaps even divine support ever seen who was destroyed due to the failings of everyone around him and Jeish/Satanic conspiracy.

Others see him as literally the greatest killer in history, a genius who single handedly organized the largest genocide ever committed - a man that nearly conquered the world due to his genius in battle and insanity.

The truth is he was a highly charismatic man who knew how to betray people and also manipulate them effectively that was a quick learner, who was in the right place at the right time to turn Germany back into a major power and, from there, go on to start the world's biggest war because of the current political climate internationally. Also, an evil scumbag, but not nearly as great a general and leader as many think.

There's a big disconnect between the way he's seen and what he really was, I'd say it's not yet enough to qualify as a legend - but give it the sixty years to the next grail war and it just might be.

(i'd say he'd have average stats, but huge charisma, territory creation, etc. as a caster with some kind of brainwashing related skill)
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>>101336984
>Jesus

>Not Solomon
>Not Samson
>Not David
>No Enoch

Don't you want to have interesting servants?
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>>101336984
>Get an Italian guy with two four by fours nailed together to attack him

Boom, dead.
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>>101337309
you'd have to get the spear of destiny to do that
good luck
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I don't get Noble Phantasms

So in life did Saber blow away entire armies with her sword, or what?
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>>101337102
Personally I just see him as the first person to discover just how easy it is to kill people with modern technology, through the use of trains, gas chambers, and other things which weren't available to the many previous tyrants who would have gladly done the same things.

I don't think those are really his accomplishments. And his charisma wasn't entirely his own work either. He was one of the first rulers to effectively make use of video propaganda. Seeing hundreds of actors paid to cheer for hitler on video can be a powerful thing.

If he has any extraordinary qualities, it would just be his luck. Having power at just the right time to take advantage of all of these new advances.
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>>101332613
no his noble phantasm is Blitzkrieg

enjoy your panzers
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>>101336984
>Summon Jesus
>His Noble Phantasm is the ACTUAL holy grail
>No need for the war, you just automatically win.
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>>101337392
yfw I summoned Longinus just for this moment

>>101337415
Excalibur probably did shoot lasers in the Nasuverse historical canon, and Cu did have a spear that was fucking magical.
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>>101335304
>we will never get a hitler route

what is the point in even living
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>>101337415
Yes. Merlin and the fairies were real, and Saber was gifted with thousands of magic circuits, along with eternal youth thanks to Avalon.
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if you summon Light Yagami , is he a Caster or an Assasin?
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>>101336783
>Stalin
>not Lenin

biggest reformist
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You faggots are gonna fall against my Servant.
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I would try to summon William Wallace as saber. It'd be nice to see one who doesn't wear heavy armor for once.
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>>101335321
>Red Army
>over 19 million military losses
>best
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>>101337622
You don't summon Light Yagami. You summon Kira. Kira is the legend.

And he could probably fit either one.
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>>101337659
>Gets rekt by Caster because he has shit magic resistance
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Best Saibah coming through
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>>101337622
He isn't a magus. Bluebeard had that tome or whatever, but I don't think the notebook would allow him to be considered for the caster class.
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>>101332120
>Hitler would be an awful servant. His only feat in combat was getting blinded by mustard gas. Armchair generals aren't heroes.

He won the Iron Cross First and Second Class.

IC2 were somewhat common, but IC1 for someone of his rank was more or less unheard of.
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So if you summoned Zero, would it be Suzaku or Lelouch?

>yfw you manage to get a hold of something that will summon zero
>summon him expecting to wreck the war with lelouch's geass
>end up getting moralfag suzaku
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>>101338014
It won't be either, it'll be Zero the icon and legend. There'd either be nothing beneath the mask or it'd be solid all the way through.

He'd be a rider with extraordinary levels of charisma and luck, as well as Eye of the Mind A+. Hell, he might even have some kind of semi-immortality related Noble Phantasm due to his apparent ability to come back from the dead twice over the course of the series.

His stats would probably be pretty average besides that though, and I'm not too sure any of the Knightmare he'd be famous for using would stand up against any servants besides Assassin and Caster. (and even then he wasn't an ace pilot, so he'd be meh at using them)


Alternatively he gets summoned as a Saber because of how he stabbed the fuck out of Lelouch while dodging machine gun fire across a hundred meters of open road, in which case who knows what the fuck his sword would be able to do. (some kind of bonus versus royalty?)
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>>101337826
When he appears, you know you're fucked.

http://www.endlessvideo.com/watch?v=PJzxDq7m8Gw&start=0m0s&end=1m5s
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>>101333833
>>101334316
I'm pretty sure Alexander went East
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>>101338429
There has to be someone in the suit, not everything is known about the people before they're summoned. Nobody knew that King Arthur was a girl.
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>>101338429
When the legend is based on a real person, doesn't the grail summon the real person? It happened with Angra Mainyu. And even Sasaki Kojiro had a real person who matched him summoned.

It would summon Lelouch, no doubt. He's the one responsible for creating the legend of Zero after all.
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>>101338655
>>101338014
It can't summon Lelouch because he's still alive.
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>>101338429
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It won't be either, it'll be Zero the icon and legend. There'd either be nothing beneath the mask or it'd be solid all the way through.

I don't see how this is true. The Grail doesn't just summon a physicalization of a legend, it summons the person behind the legend. Even when Sasaki was summoned it wasn't just the fictional Sasaki coming alive, it was someone fitting the closest to Sasaki. Because of this I seriously doubt if you summoned Zero you'd literally just summon a costume that had no face.

If anything it'd be like Hassan. The Grail would summon Zero and the person who was Zero would be entirely random (Suzaku, Lelouch, or maybe others if Suzaku passed on the mantle to someone else when he died)
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>>101337415
In the Nasuverse Excalibur really did shoot lasers. In our versions of Arthurian lore though, it was only capable of blinding light (first battle Arthur uses it) and cutting through anything. Consequently, the laser probably came out of that.

>>101338014
Probably Suzaku if you get Zero as a Rider, and Lelouch as a Caster. The real victory is getting him from his KoN incarnation as he would have abilities capable of matching Servants in combat, and actual Caster-like abilities to boot (including immortality and Gawain as a NP).
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>>101338722
this brings a very interesting scenario.
assume Lelouch is immortal and alive -which he is- and imagine he gets a command seal, about to participate in the war and summon a servant. but he has no catalyst.

"Zero", on the other hand is dead -assume Suzaku died eventually and there was no reason to have someone else don the mask of zero, as peace was more or less achieved, globally.

Lelouch does the ritual, his personality/history summons Zero. Zero, being neither suzaku nor lelouch, but the idol he was to the masses, military tactician, miracle maker, peacemaker, terrorist, etc.

How do Zero's and Lelouch's personalities clash? (imagine lelouche having his more 'human' traits as a master, not his 'do everything for the goal' attitude). how will it work out?
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>>101338815
>anyone in that giant crowd of Zeros could be summoned
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>>101336737
>regular guys can't have a noble phantasm
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>>101339381
Looks like the war is won.
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>>101339513
Shirou isn't a regular guy. He's a magus, skilled in projection. And his reality marble isn't an actual Noble Phantasm, it's just "like" one, because of how strong it is.
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>>101339635
And Hitler was just a prominent historical figure who is more well known than some of the heroic spirits who are summoned.
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>>101337392
>You'd need the speark of Destiny
Wouldn't stop him from revivng in a few days, and thats if were not going with 'Riding on the back of an Army of dragons' Jesus
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>>101340213
Yeah but we don't know if he didn't have magical powers. We know he was charismatic but perhaps the reason for that was because was using suggestion magic on everyone. Or he has Geass. Or something.
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>>101340927
maybe C.C was Hitler
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Hitler NP would be something related with his ability to manipulate the masses. He would be able of taking control of people or maybe even of another Servant for a short period of time.
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>>101341582
Nah i'd say he'd just have high Charisma,

Im a bit stumpped for his NP, the bitzkreig wasn't his idea, and he was a shitty commander
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>F/SN game written by Nasu
>developed by Atlus

I'd kill for such a thing.
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>>101341780
Considering that Sega has been pushing into the market of 'games with anime aspects', this is not out of the realm of possibility.
Hell, I'd buy it depending on what kind of game it is.
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>>101344172
Some lad took a crack at it once with Rpg maker (About two odd years ago).It was a proof of concept affair were you made your master character bought a relic in a shop and fought in the war. Stat ranks were converted to growth rates etc.

I haven't heard anything of it since which makes me even more dissapointed then the whole battle moon wars 2 fiasco
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>>101344459
That actually does sound interesting: having a blank master to control in a new war rather than a character.
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>>101344639
That's what Extra is though, no? You're given a blank character and a servant and fight in a war.
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>>101337430
>If he has any extraordinary qualities, it would just be his luck. Having power at just the right time to take advantage of all of these new advances.
>That S luck
Average stats and dem luck
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>>101344639
I always love games that allow me to create my own character.
It's easier to self-insert
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>>101331171
but he already has the grail, we win by default
>there is nothing to discuss
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>>101341780
Would it have fungeons?
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If the grail is so fucked with Angry Manjew in it I can't even imagine how fucked it would get with Nyarlathotep in it.
But yeah I guess it'd be an easy win and I'd prolly feel like an asshole if the grail chose the evilest creature on the planet as my servant based on my personality.
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>>101344976
It's not your personality but the catalyst you use, the chant is the catalyst for Hassan, and an addition to the chant for a Berserker.
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>>101344867
>S Luck
>Russia's winter
If anything, he would had S Luck until the very moment he is about to win, when he gets E Luck
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>>101345084
Didn't Gilles get summoned because he matched with Ryuunosuke's personality or something?
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>>101344639
You just picked a name occupation and perk upon creation. Occupation would affect some things like your skills , Magi for example get healing etc, Bankers started off with more cash for a better Relic.

The gameplay didn't mesh too well with PRG maker , but the lad who made it played a Hentai game, and last i heard was planning on ripping it and adding it to the game (Sengeki gear or somthing).
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>>101345160
Ryuunosuke had no idea what he was doing and he was in the midst of murdering a child and his family, with blood and guts all around. In Apocrypha, Jack the Ripper gets summoned through a murder as well. I'd say the murder is the catalyst when summoning a mass murderer for your servant.
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>>101345270
But blue beard wasn't a mass murderer he just murdered his 6 or so wives then he was killed by the 2 brothers of his last one.
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>>101345160
If you summon sans catalyst you get a servant that matches your personality.

If you summon assassin, your catalyst needs to be somthing closely related to whoever your summoning, otherwise the name of the class will be used as a default catalyst
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>>101332239
>shitty Legend of Zelda 1 Link

Nigga, he's probably the second strongest link other than MM Link.
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>>101345270
I thougt that personality mattered too.
Like Arturia getting summoned by Kirirsugu and Shirou because of their "knightly" personality (surpressed in Kiritsugu's case) or Gil getting summoned by Tokiomi because both are douches.
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>>101345450
Not the story Bluebeard, but Gilles de Rais, the inspiration for Bluebeard, was executed on suspicions of being a murderer.
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>>101345563
No, catalyst matters. Waver used a piece of Rider's mantle, Tokiomi used a fossil of the first snake skin shed, Kiritsugu and Shirou used Avalon, Rin unwittingly used the jewel pendant and her link with Emiya, and the guy in Apocrypha tried to kill a whore to summon Jack the Ripper.
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>>101345563
Arthur got summoned By kerry because he used Avalon as a catalyst, same as shirou.

Gil got summoned be cause he had the snake skin
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>>101331963
He could also fit in secondarily with Caster, Assassin, or Berserker. Only one I can't see him doing well in is Lancer.

Let's just say he was a Saber though, what would the powers of his NP be? He'd also be at a heavy disadvantage against modern-day mages because every part of his image (sword, shield, tunic) would give his identity away.

What would be really interesting is if it was four sword link. Far less powerful NP, but you get four times the servants... although on second thought maybe that would put too much of a strain on your command spell...
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What would happen, /v/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyTRpFZ3f18
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Persona 2 is best Persona.
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>>101345563
I think that personality is important, but it's second to the relic you have. In both of the Emiyas' cases, they had the sheath of her sword. Perhaps the personality of a person affects his or her fate; Shirou was destined to summon Saber because of his personality.
Assuming of course that fate is removed from time and is determined based on the entire life experiences of that person.
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>>101345729
>fossil of the first snake skin shed
How would you even find such a thing and know it's the right one?
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guys how would this even work

obviously just activating his noble phantasm would automatically make you "win" somehow, but I'm guessing there would be a boundary to actually activating it. any ideas?

he'd also be a berserker I'm guessing, right?
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>>101346119
It was probably in the same place they found the dead sea scrolls that talked of Gilgamesh in the first place.
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>>101331963

Would he have time powers? What about mask powers?

If Link were to be a servant he would probably be one that is mediocre in combat but has a lot of variety to his attacks.
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>>101346126
Same as Buddha i'd imagine, with the whole lighty up things.
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>>101346119
How did they find the mythical sheath of Excalibur which was thrown into the bottom of some lake a long long time ago? It's magic and shit man. The same way they can summon mythical people like Heracles and Cuchulain.
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>>101346126
You need to do nothing for the equivalent of five moves before you can unleash an obliterating blast. That's like standing still in front of Saber and letting her attack you five times. You'd be fucked.
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>>101346357
if he was summoned as a servant though, he'd probably have one aspect of his combat drastically improved at the sacrifice of most of his other abilities.

for example he could become the ultimate master sword+mirror shield user, but loses the ability to use fire/ice/light arrows. he'd still be able to use regular arrows, but those wouldn't help him much in other situations.
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>>101346100
>>101345563
Shirou was sure to get a Saber, any Saber due to his origin.
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You just summoned a Lancer for the 6th Holy Grail War, how do you proceed?
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>>101345901
His potential NPs are just shitty in general. He'd only do well as Fierce Deity Berserker.
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>>101346457
if exodia was a berserker though he'd probably be able to hold his own in defense mode for a while, all he'd need to do is protect his magus and not get killed. easier said than done, sure, but not impossible.
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>>101346566
What if he had actually learned some real magecraft and tried to summon a different class?
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>>101346100
Rider herself mentions that personality plays a huge role somehow while explaining how she and Sakura are the same just like Shirou and Saber, but that seems odd when catalyst seems to be absolute.

Though it's one theory that you summon the heroic spirit from the point in their life when they would be most compatible with you. Although the only real proof of this idea is Gilles who was summoned as Caster in his murderous days, Li Shuwen who's directly stated to be summonable as older or younger depending on his class due to him being reckless while young but disiplined when older, Anderson who did mention something about why he was summoned as a kid, and maybe Lancelot if you stretch the idea a bit. I mean Lancelot was summoned from the moment in his life when he was mad with grief despite getting over that shit later on in life, but you can just say in Nasu that he kept that grief always and as Berserker it just manifests as his primere emotion while when summoned normally he's the gallant knight of the lake.

To really confirm that shit though we'd need to see the same person summoned under different conditions though.
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>>101345097

Hitler likely lived to a ripe old age in Brazil with recent discoveries.

I wouldn't say his luck stat ever moved from S.
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Who is you are favorite folk tale?
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>>101346645
If Exodia was a berserker, perhaps it would follow something along the lines of one of it's related cards. What I said was thinking about how you need all five pieces to win, so something along those lines, where you won't get an instawin, but you get a strong monster.
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>>101331171

Germany was famous for its tanks (which actually were overated).

Hitler was just a Bavarian Corporal when it came to military experience. He wasn't much of a warrior.

He should've stuck to painting.
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>>101346554

If I were the master, I would HOPE it would be the hookshot he keeps, rather than the regular bow. It's unlikely that mediocre(for a servant) use of a bow would ever benefit a team. The hookshot can be used to disarm, cross distances, pull objects to you... Much more useful.

If Link become rider, he would probably lose his sword and shield, I think.
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>>101346783
>He should've stuck to painting.
Hitler as Caster.
EX rank crafting skill.
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>>101346635
>light arrow
>shitty
it would auto-kill any evil opponent not because it is strong, but by the fact that they are evil. would be the ideal weapon for a magus who has a strong sense of justice.

also could probably do critical damage to the holy grail mid-summoning

master sword would be the only other one worth mentioning, and that would probably be just like a weaker effect of the light arrow combined with a weaker effect of excalibur's slicing destruction.

mirror shield and epona a shit

that's why i think he'd probably be used best as four sword link though, you can make up for his potentially shitty NPs with sheer combat volume.
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>>101346867
But the Grail doesn't summon "evil" or antiheroes by default, that was just the Einzbern's fucking everything up with Avenger.
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>>101346842

I think many of his paintings are quite lovely actually (though I'm sure artists would find them routine and generic).

Possibly the only compliment I would willingly pay him.
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>>101346867
I guess he could shoot sword beams. Only if he's not wounded though, hmm.
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>>101345919
Hell yes.
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>>101346827
would servant link lose all of his other items in any capacity? or would he be able to keep them all as "regular" weapons that don't do a whole lot of damage to servants (but obviously detrimental to masters) and just have one weapon that is NP-tier?
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>>101346633
I get ready to cook.
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>>101346867
>it would auto-kill any evil opponent not because it is strong, but by the fact that they are evil
It didn't even kill the villain in the source material though.
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make way bitches, strongest Caster ever coming through
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>>101345563
I don't think so, kiri was given Avalon in order to summon arturia in specific. Same with tokiomi
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>>101347197 is right, it only stunned him.

Still pretty powerful, though.
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>>101346633
If Cu, do what Zero Lancer did and stand around, after which, Gae Bolg everything I see. I doubt you'd find old hags cooking dogs around fires now, and no one is sent by Maeve, so he doesn't need to stand in any rivers.
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>>101347088
During your preparations, somehow your vegetables lined up into a magic circle.

Oh no, it appears you have summoned King Harlaus! What do you do?
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>>101337178
>>101336984
>Not Space Jesus.
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>>101346100

Did you even watch the anime or read the manga or read the VN or participate in any discussion outside of this one?

Catalyst overrides all emotional or personality shit. You can see this time and time again with Kerry summoning Arthur and Rin summoning Emiya and Kayneth summoning Diarmuid.

Both Kerry and Shirou used Avalon as a catalyst. The only difference is Shirou didn't realize he used Avalon and wasn't aware of it until Fate/Stay Night events unfold.

Why do so many casual Type-Moon fans want to pretend they know shit?
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>>101347348
>Summon Cu
>Get stuck fighting someone who is Ulster-born
>Cu's geiss of losing once is still in effect
Just accept that the moment you get him, the world itself will make any and all attempts to make you lose.
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>>101347245
Sauron would be the strongest Caster
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>>101347492
I would use my magus ability and wealth to fly an Ulster born orphan over and have Cu lose to him in arm wrestling or chess or something three times in a row. Some servants are summoned, so with that in mind if I can set this up, I should be golden.
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Guan Yu.

Would he a better lancer, or rider? He's pretty renowned for his horse, after all.
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>>101347676
*some servants are summoned months in advance
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>>101347489
>Catalyst overrides all emotional or personality shit. You can see this time and time again with Kerry summoning Arthur and Rin summoning Emiya and Kayneth summoning Diarmuid.

Saber and Kiritsugu's ideals were the same though; aside from their difference in ideals about heroism. But there was a huge parallel in terms of their methods in some ways.

Rin and Archer are both Snarky tsundere's with a biting tounge. Rider states clearly in HF that personality is important here. Catalyst is also important, but it's stated flat out that personality is important as you will always summon someone that similar to you, however the hell that's supposed to work here considering.
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>>101346763
so how about this... you start off with a basic berserker exodia which is somewhat bigger than a normal human, but not much. would be able to play defense against some of the weaker servants but not a whole lot more.

after a certain predetermined amount of time has passed though, you can summon his NP once, making him bigger and stronger. repeat the process again and again with more time passing, and you can re-summon his NP to stack on itself making him get more powerful the longer and more-drawn out the battle goes.

four-NP exodia would be strong enough to take on two or three servants at once, or to have an 80% chance of killing a servant one-on-one.

once the fifth and final NP is summoned though, a magic is released that kills all enemy servants AND magi no matter where they are, instantaneously, causing you to win the holy grail war.
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>>101347492
Use two command seals for "Don't ever lose, and don't ever give up"

It'll give him a good boost any time he follows that command that's in line with his personality.
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>>101347498
>implying pure evil incarnate could be enshrined in the throne of heroes
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>>101347847
There needs to be some major drawback involved with him though, just like how the chances of drawing all of Exodia are slim. Like there's a set period of inaction before you can use the NP. Not really a cooldown per se, but when the NP is ready, Exodia goes into an inactive state which the servants can use to whale on him before the NP is used, like the Standby phase or some shit.
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>>101348039
If you send one of his pieces to the graveyard then he can't use NP, and he has all E stats until his NP activates which makes him EX.

NP requires at least give turns to activate

I didn't read any of that shit above me, but that makes some sense if it's Exodia.
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Lancer? He could create a reality marble of a bunch of impaled mudshits, and spikes could grow out of the ground under his enemies.
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>>101331963

After the discussion on Link being a servant, I decided it would be fun to printscreen the status pages and spend 2000 hours in ms paint putting what I think would be Link's stats in.

Link's alignment would be good, obviously, but chaotic, neutral, or lawful?
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What servant class would Mohammed be?

He'd be the perfect servant, because nobody would know what he looks like or who he is.
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>>101348257
Forgot my picture though I think its obvious anyway
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>>101348039
that'd make sense yeah, I like that. especially if the damage stays with him as he grows, because it would make inactive states easier to break down in successive turns.

you could also make it where the more NP phases are stacked on, the magical energy needed from the magus grows exponentially, making it a hard as fuck servant to control, which fits in nicely with the berserker theme. you also would not be able to turn it off mid-battle, meaning an unprepared or weak magus would die before they finished all five stages.
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>>101348298
Neutral. Lawful good would assume he's interested in governance, but he's only just a hero who smites evil. He doesn't seem to care about participating in ruling other people.

If it were Gannondorf, he would be Lawful Evil. (Probably?)
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>>101348298
Neutral
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>>101347892
Long drawn out commands are practically worthless though, and going against the geis will weaken him considerably. He's also fucked if he fights opponents with high luck as Gae Bolg's curse will not be fatal. The worst part though would be getting stuck fighting Emiya again in a setting where Rho Aius is an absolute defense and Caladbolg arrows are easily spammable and undodgeable guard breakers.
...Oh.
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>>101348298
neutral good I'd think, he isn't particularly lawful at times. chaotic makes even less sense.
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>>101348503
Caladbolg is only viable if he is ulster born, otherwise it's just a normal magic blade.

The worse situation for him would probably be closer to this
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>>101348441
ganondorf being lawful evil implies he plays by the rules, he simply twists them to his advantage. governance is more of a pastime to exert his evilness onto lots of people, not because he particularly cares about laws. ganondorf is neutral evil, ganon is chaotic evil.
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>>101348503
Could you imagine if Gae Bolg worked as it did in the legends? It'd be a fucking pain to use, but a single hit would be fatal.
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>>101348660
Best Rider right here.
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>>101348569
Well, he does break into peoples houses and smashes all their pots on occasion.


Neutral it is.
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>>101348569
>>101348441
>>101348444

For stats, I'm thinking

C strength
A Endurance
E Agility
E Magical Energy
? Luck (asking input here, im thinking high)
? noble phantasms (haven't decided what ones to give him yet, thinking to give him a bunch of low ranked ones, spin attack would be a very low ranked one)
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>>101348660
...I'm guessing you missed the joke about Archer, and his particular ease at dealing with Lancer in F/E?
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>>101348298
Neutral. And I'm imagining his stats would be
Strength C
Endurance C
Agility B
Magic B
Luck A
Triforce of Courage and his status as the Hero of Time would give him A Divinity, most likely. Mind's Eye (True) and Bravery are also definitely in there.
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>>101348768
which Link and which servant class are you going with?

Personally I think that if you're going with Saber Link, you should do either Zelda 1 Link or Skyward Sword Link instead of Ocarina of Time Link, but that's just me.
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>>101348813
He should have at least some magical energy, he can use all sorts of magic items in the games.
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>>101348813
Master Sword C
Bonus damage against evil enemies
Light Arrows A
Able to penetrate any defenses, and nullify any evil magic.
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>>101348813
>>101348915
Strength C
Endurance B
Agility D
Magical Energy C
Luck A
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>>101348931
Better start using a name since people are taking an interest.

I'm planning on make Saber, Archer, Rider, and Berserker classes. For what Link it is, I'm planning on merging the ones together that I feel like merging together. All except for the recent ones because I haven't played them, and MM(well, if I do MM link, he would have his own class because he's so OP).

Any input is appreciated, I've only read 3 TM works so I'm no expert.
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>>101349178
He can't be Rider. His Riding skill is at rank B at best.
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>>101349090
Master Sword is EX, A++, or A+++

It's the sword of Evil's Bane, that which can sentence evil gods, and the greatest sword of legend that can destroy all evil with a touch in that world.

No way light arrows are better than that shit
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>>101349239

Yeah, you're right. I might give some of his other classes C riding.

What class would MM Link be?
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I want to summon Tharja so I can supply her with prana.
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Also, I should have said in the first place stats are for saber link first. Fuck
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>>101349311
MM Link is Berserker, definitely.
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>>101349178
I'm this guy >>101349107
Luck would be his primary stat. Endurance high because of all the heart containers and potions (not to mention he's built sturdily). Strength and Magic are more tools of his than strong points, and he's agile enough to get the fuck out of the way of most basic attacks but he's typically a plodder unless he's on Epona.

also agree with this >>101349090 but move Light Arrows up to A+ and Master Sword up to B (maybe higher depending on which Link we're talking about)

maybe consider the hylian shield as well, in practicality maybe it would be rank E but able to be respawned?
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>>101349239
So he won't have access to his horse, boat, train or bird?
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Best Archer.
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>>101349446
>insane/mindless
>strong as fuck
yup
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>>101349500
None of those are holy beast rank. That's why I said Riding B.
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yes, i know the link portrait is shitty
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>>101349500
all 4 of those things are the only thing he can ride in any continuity, he never is able to do more than one at a time, so it's not a really big rider thing.

if he was, say, Saber-class Skyward Sword Link though, he should be able to summon his bird as a basic attribute (not a NP) with below-average riding ability.
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>>101349633
Might want to fix that she on Riding status
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>>101349702
>>101349609
Right like Gilgamesh summoned that flying thing in Fate/Zero
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>>101349468
The sword of whom legends are sung that sentences evil vs crystallized light arrows which repel evil.

I'm still saying the sword that everyone in Hyrule speaks about in legend as the ultimate anti-evil weapon that will break peace once more from the darkness is better than light arrows.
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>>101349633

I'm shopping as I go, dude. I haven't even gotten all of his stats down.

This thread will probably 404 before I get even one done. This is going really in-depth. I'm even gonna give him the history pages.
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>>101349633
He shouldn't be very tall as an adult, he's barely taller than most of the women. Maybe 5'7".
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>>101348813
Strength, Agility, and Endurance would likely vary a lot between incarnations, but Luck would remain fairly high. Magical energy would be something of a hit or miss since there are non-mage Links, but the ones that do learn magic usually learn fairly powerful spells for their setting. NPs would vary as well with the Master Sword and Fierce Deity Mask likely being Ex or A with several modifiers. Most Links should hold some version of Minds Eye too (either true or false), Uncrowned Arms Marksmanship, and fairly good Magic Resistance (due to their treasure trove of items). He's also a candidate for Bravery, Independent Action, and Collector.
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>>101346783
You know that's pretty good actualy
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>>101349513
But could you use him?
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>>101349633
No way his AGI sucks quite that much considering his dexterity and the way he flips all around faster than he can run with ease.

His magical energy or STR might take a hit in order to bring AGI up some
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>>101347453
Wherever i am i must also feast
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>>101349867
Again, it depends on which Link we're talking about. Light arrows were the ultimate weapon in Zelda 1 and aLttP, and feature prominently in WW, but the Master Sword would be unquestioningly stronger in OoT, TP, or SS
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>>101349952
no way is he more agile than he is strong.
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>>101349633
He's not A+ Endurance. Herakles only had A.
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IMPORTANT: what does Link put in his 4 bottles? just fairies? maybe some of grandma's soup?
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>>101349940
Conceivably, yes. Good luck getting him to let you do it though, as powerful as it might be.
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>>101350315
Command seal time then. Just keep him as a gun 24/7 and you should be fine.
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>Link in a "boss" battle against a servant
>All of a sudden stops attacking or defending and just starts running around kicking boxes and upending potted plants looking for spare hearts
I would pay to see this.

Awareness should be very low for him.
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>>101350171

Fair point. I'll still change it, but I'd like to point out that Herc's endurance didn't count his NP.

Only thing to go is the magic resistance thing. Suggestions for that?
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>>101350408
I never really thought that his Magic Resistance was ever particularly high, it was just that the hits got absorbed by his endurance/luck.

see >>101349889 for better suggestions
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>>101350408
Drop it down to a B or a C. sayba was noted for having an extremely high magic resist even for a saber servent
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>>101350765
Only because of her connection to Merlin
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Strength B
Endurance B
Agility C
Magical Energy E
Luck C

NP: EX
The ability to copy other servants NP
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>>101350147
That's something that only someone who's never flipped all around the enemy while they're attacking to dodge shit can say. He has almost no direct power as he relies on devices to act as power for himself, but he's always deleterious and fast.

Hold down Z and backflip to get anywhere, in later games he's got all sorts of techniques that do crazy speed tricks in battle, and if you've got Z targeting down then one one one no one is touching you. But Link himself is only really powerful when he has Titan Mitts or something.
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>>101347811
Without a catalyst you will only summon a servant similar to your ideas, but a catalyst will always override that.

Are you slow or something?
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>>101350851
He has to beat them though.
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>>101350408
Magic Resistance would be average, if not counting his equipment. Somewhere around B seems to be the standard for the Saber class (as Nero is C and is mentioned to have MR unbecoming of a Saber). With artifacts accounted for, it might shoot up to A.

Of another note is the fact that Link can generally have fairly high lifting strength (and not necessarily due to his gear). He's also agile enough to react to traps, and fast-moving projectiles such as magical bolts and arrows. Remember AGI doesn't directly correlate with speed, and Link is fairly deceiving in that regard.
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>>101348335
Hasn't Vlad been a servant like twice?
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>>101347453
Feast, thats probably what he wants from the grail
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>>101350389
And if you don't get one of his gun bodies?
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>>101347676
Losing doesn't exactly mean dying, he could use disengage and count it as a loss.
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>>101350991
Sakura used a catalyst according to data books, but Rider still states personality is a huge factor no matter what.
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>>101340927
>Implying in nasuverse nasu couldnt have bullshitted that Hitler got his hands on the lance of longinus
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>>101351167
It is outside of using a catalyst, but a catalyst will always override all of that during summoning.

How the fuck do you think Tokiomi was able to summon Gilgamesh, and Waver could summon Iskander
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>>101351167
I'd believe personality is a factor for ease of control over the servant. Similar ideals and such and it would be less likely your servant would try to shank you, but catalyst trumps all, so you'd be stuck with a servant you can't control, like Tokiomi.
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>>101347811
>you will always summon someone that similar to you
Except you won't, if Koto had have used Avalon as a catalyst he would have gotten arthur. Personality only takes effect either when a catalyst has a bit of leeway in it (ie a piece of the round table) or when your summoning without a catalyst (Gilles)
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>>101351060
>>101350985

There's also the games where all he can do is walk around, in some of them he can't even jump, and controlling him is like controlling a drunk with asthma.

Still, raised to D.

First page is finished.
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http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Parameters_and_Skills

seems like Link would be a good candidate for Battle Continuation, Bravery, Collector, Disengage, Double Summon, Eternal Arms Mastership, Expert of Many Specializations, Eye of the Mind (True or False), Instinct, Knowledge of Respect and Harmony, Presence Detection, or Protection of the Fairies

take your pick depending on which Link you're using.
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>>101351062
Yes he has, Apoc is best Vlad
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>>101351448
>those stats
Fucking vampire mist.
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Hitler is Seibah
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>>101351365
>Decent stat spread,
>not over powered.
>Went through the effort of shopping it in.

I like you, and that has nothing to do with the alcohol
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Would summoning Touma give you plot armor?
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>>101351409
Collector

B+ maybe
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>>101351519
It's a shame he got his shit rekt by the eighth sacrament
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>>101351409
>Knowledge of Respect and Harmony
>prevents any decrease in the effectiveness of a technique, regardless of how many times it is used against the same opponent.

holy fucking THIS

Link, being a vidya character, has his attacks always do the same amount of damage. The only reason attacks start not working is because the enemy uses a new form or something.
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>>101351600
Thats only because Darnic got desparate when Vlad started to regain control (Killing darnic in the process).

He could have fucked off until his mist drained all the servants dry
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>>101351564
>Z Luck Servant
No, thanks
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>>101351561
>feet
no thanks
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>>101351795
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>>101347492
It could come up as a plot point should berserker Cu come into a story.

He gets rekted at the start of a war by somone ulster born , and then when there rematch comes around he's sans the geas and smashes the fuck outa them.
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>>101351749
>His Noble Phantasm can defeat other Noble Phantasms
>Master has a gun
>He would do what other villains failed to do in his universe by simply shooting him
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>>101350851
Raise STR to A (he's noted as being able to lift objects in the tons), and AGI to B. LCK can probably be dropped to D (fate seems to like fucking with him sometimes), and his stats should be set.

For NPs the Ultimate Armor is probably an A+ rank NP which raises all his parameters by one, increases the potency of his ranged attacks on top of that boost, increases the power of weapon copy, drops and absorbs damage received, and allows the Nova Strike attack at a large cost of prana.

Weapon Copy itself would have a varying rank and would allow the replication of a NP's effect so long as he has grasped the idea behind it. Chance of copying the effect increases astronomically with enemy defeat (after seeing the attack in action), however the effect suffers a rank-down from being a replicated ability (unless charging through Ultimate Armor). It would also not work with abilities using foreign logic (such as conceptual weapons), or who's ranking is too high to reproduce (such as Ea and Avalon).
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>>101351343
Still it seems like a contradiction, because if one accepts Catalyst as basically the only mark to count here (All servants summoned so far have used a catalyst, and even Archer states it's the most important part of summoning) then it basically ovverides any meaning in Personality being a factor. But it was stated in a HF that personality is also a key factor, yet how can that mean anything when it was never a factor to begin with since all summonings have no chance factor involved as the Catalyst decides it all. Seems crazy, but Personality as they state it in the game means something, yet it also can't mean anything since we are given no example where it was purely personality or an example of it really working that way if it's directly contradicted by "No, Catalyst overrides everything, and catalyst is the necessity of any summoning as you literally cannot summon without. Meaning there's no such thing as a personality summoning to begin with and that's just a misconception that's spread through coincidence".

Some people like to even say that Uryuu's phony magic book was the catalyst there, so either way there's no way to say if even that was just personality by any means.
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What would Samus' class be? archer maybe?

how would her suit work, would she be forced to be without it until she summons her NP or would she be able to equip it at will and her NP would be one of her weapons instead?
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>>101351958
having an ass fetish means that you are attracted to wide hips that can produce children
having a tits fetish means that you are attracted to a woman who can provide nutrition for a babby
having a foot fetish means that you are attracted to a female because she has the ability to walk on 2 legs

congrats on being australopithecis
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>>101352114
Depends which Samus, but her NP could be the Hyper Beam or something, and her other beams are normal weapons.

Archer makes sense, Independent Action suits her after all, but I could see her getting shunted into Rider with her ship if Archer is taken.
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>>101352114
Karnas armor is an always active NP, nothing wrong with having one, just in the scope of things it amounts to the servant requiring massive amounts of mana to maintain
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>>101351365
can he beat my saber servant?
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Get rekt scrubs.
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>>101333328
>Cu
>Lance that never misses when thrown
>Could just have him stand somwere a few miles back and chuck his lance at masters
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>>101352263
>standing on a rooftop
>samus is kneeling from the pain
>bitch don't you underestimate me
>this isn't over yet
>she presses a button
>in the background, her ship rises up behind her
>samus presses another button
>the ship's laser beams start visibly charging up, aimed at her opponent
>episode ends
all of my money
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>>101352195
Having an ass fetish means uruguay dood
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>>101352536
Why not just summon Captain Picard or somthing instead
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>>101352626
he can't operate the whole damn ship by himself

samus' ship is for personal use
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>>101352626
Picard doesn't really fit well in a combat-based competition. You'd be better off summoning Kirk.

>>101352480
Shu would have possession of the Grail before the war even began. It would then turn into a raid on his underground doom fortress.
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He'd be Caster, and an extremely overpowered one at that. Hitler was way into the occult, so I could see a servant version of him, having access to several powerful relics, including the Ark of the Covenant from Indiana Jones (insta-kills anyone who sees it when opened), as servants such as Vlad Tepes have already demonstrated that even their fictional portrayals can give them extra abilities. Hitler has a ton of powerful fictional portrayals (Wizard Hitler, Giant Mecha Hitler, etc), and his fame bonus would probably be equal to that of Jesus. Due to all of the occult relics he collected, he'd also have access to many of the other servants' noble phantasms.

>The Bible speaks of the Ark leveling mountains and laying waste to entire regions. An army which carries the Ark before it is invincible
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>>101352685
>he can't operate the whole damn ship by himself
Holograms or some bollox

>Picard doesn't really fit well in a combat-based competition. You'd be better off summoning Kirk.

I am not playing your game
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>>101352357
Considering Link can become completely invulnerable to damage through the use of equipment with the only detriment being a steady decrease in magic or rupees? Yeah, pretty much...

>>101352480
>Summoning a god-mech powered by a god of destruction, and capable of destroying whole galaxies
>If it fights the other god-mech from the same setting even the universe isn't safe
Congratulations, you summoned a puff of smoke! Besides, even if you get the Neo Granzon summon through some bullshit miracle (or Ex LCK), you die five seconds later due to the horrid prana costs.
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>>101352114

How strong is space bird magic?
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>>101352856

Ark is already davids NP

Ark: The Chest of the Covenant (契約の箱Ark, Keiyaku no Hako?)
A wooden box that contains the original engravings of the Ten Commandments issued to Moses by God. As a Noble Phantasm, its effect is narrow but absolute; besides the Servant that carries them, all those who would deem to touch the box without authorization are drained of their prana unto death. Upon seizure of Jerusalem and the removal of the Philistines, King David of Israel appointed the city as his capital, and situated within it the Ark of the Covenant.[2]
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>>101335321
>trotsky

What a punk bitch.
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>>101352866
Hey now, I'm a Sisko man myself.
Back on topic, Berserker. Mad Enhancement would probably lock him in dinosaur mode.
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>>101352856
Hitler would never have the Ark to begin with, as it kills anyone not deemed by worthy by god in an instant upon touch. Literally that just kept happening in the Bible, anyone who touched it wrong just dies instantly. Also if it falls into the wrong hands it will bring down entire nations just with it's presence of being far too holy for them. If you don't know the right way to transport the Ark in story you just die instantly.

No way Hitler is worshiped as much as Jesus either even with his greatest fame bonus.
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>>101352094

I chalk it up to Rider has no clue what the fuck is going on. Despite this one line, there's mountains of evidence pointing to Catalyst has and will override so long as it points to a unique hero set in the throne of heros.

The only time personality seems to be a factor is when the catalyst is weak. Ryuunosuke likely had a dice roll between all the heretic devil worshipers. Personality and ideals likely weighed in on that summon.

Lancelot was also someone who likely had a lot of personality and ideals affect his summoning as a Berserker.

Most of the Fate/Acro servants had some pretty weak catalysts as well.
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>>101353882
No, Lancelot was summoned as Berserker on purpose with the two extra line summoning to specifically call him as that.
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Okay guys, you may not have heard of this guy but he's the strongest human I've ever heard of.

As a blademaster, he can defeat just about anyone in weaponry combat. These guys are just the best there is. He was also trained in the Aiel brand of hand-to-hand combat (similar to muay thai maybe?) so he's even deadly without that. Not to mention that his standard sword (not pictured) is pretty much unbreakable.

The real kicker though is that he is a channeler (magic user), and at that he is demigod tier. Thousands of years ago a few hundred of average channelers went crazy and managed to tear the earth asunder (the entire landscape of the planet was rearranged) and this guy easily outclasses ALL of them. If he lost his focus he could basically nuke an entire nation.

He is also in possession of the third strongest sa'angreal in existence (the crystal sword thing in pic related) which can amplify the amount of magic he can use at once over a hundredfold.

One of his most potent magic attacks is called balefire, which quite literally wipes you out of existence. It's so powerful that the existence-erasing effect actually works backwards to BEFORE he uses it. This means, say, person A kills person B. Then Rand kills person A very soon after with balefire, and person B comes back to life as if they never died, because balefire erased the part where person A killed him.

He can also teleport, and has the ability to enter the world of dreams, which are also cool/useful.

The downside is that using all that magic when it was still corrupted by the Dark One made him fucked up in the head, so he goes crazy on occasion. I wouldn't even put Sephiroth up against this guy.

Could be a very strong Saber, Berserker, or especially Caster.
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>>101354025

I'm saying his catalyst was weak. That was the theme of the post.
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>>101337876
Because he was a runner that was posted at the regiment headquarters. A survey of these awards showed the likelihood of receiving the Iron Cross First Class increased for those posted near the officers
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>>101354112
We don't really know what his catalyst was there, it was just said that Zouken "prepared something" for Kariya's summoning.

Maybe it was part of the lake of his legend, or just some piece of his armor.
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>>101332843
>If King Arthur can't bring in the entire Round Table despite being intrinsically welded to the legend, no commander can just wave their hand and get free armies.

Arturia was alive while she fought the Holy Grail War. If she was a real heroic spirit she probably would have gotten a KotR type attack.
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>>101354228
Nah, too much infighting to ever get that sort of style of attack, as she could only balk at Rider's NP that was basically everything she wished for but was so far removed from anything she had ever achieved

Think about it, of course she's not summoning her Knights of the Round when some of them betrayed her, some ran off, and while the rest generally remained loyal she never had that kind of relationship with them of the same sort of undying shared dream as Rider. Because she kept herself segregated from everyone; she kept herself removed from the populous and those close to her to maintain the idea of the perfect King. She and her men did not share one dream and one ideal; they might have if they could have all opened up in that way, but she could not take that risk when so many would take that as a sign of weakness as she needed to be a pillar of strength and appear perfect to her men.

it's not the same
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>>101333540
Noooooooo
Muh German engineering!
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>>101354196

It's completely unknown whereas strong catalysts summoning specific champions was always a point made.

I don't think there's any word of god on that topic but I'd think it's safe to say unless stated, it's unremarkable given the specific nature of the rest of the universe.
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>>101354063
Rand isn't especially strong in terms of the Nasuverse though as even Balefire pales in comparison to some of the shit around there. He would be a potentially monstrous Servant, though a lot of his skills would be locked away due to Class restrictions. The likes of Arturia, Cu, Gil, and Tamamo would chump him (though the last two are exceptionally OP themselves), and there are many other Servants who would hold their own/push him back quite well themselves too.



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