Let's discuss the likelihood of the future portrayed in GITS becoming reality by 2030. In your opinion, would this future be even be conceivable with the rate technology is advancing?
WW3 and WW4 would probably push us in the right direction. Nothing accelerates technology more than war.
>You will never have a cyberbrain
No. That's why it's science-fiction.
USA vs China for the win?
Sci-Fi has many times accurately portrayed the future
Remember Demolition Man and how it predicted the future in a little more than a decade?
Remember how terrible it did it?
2030 will be today but with .000001% more technology.
you forgot the part where WW3 is the literal end of the world, as that's the war where every nation with nukes, nukes every other nation with nukes. end result: glassed nations and the entirety of earth's atmosphere being irradiated.
>.000001% more technology.
Not at all man. See how much we've invented since 2000.
We will not be close to the tech in GiTS, but we will most certainly be close.
Clearly that's not meant to be the case here.
>2030 will be today but with .000001% more technology.
Do ou remember 2004? Do you noticed how much technology has changed in 10 years?
That'a just being overly pessimistic
>implying anyone is pants on head retarded enough to start a full on nuclear war.
Except Best Korea. And possibly USA and China.
We Sora No Woto in 10 years?
Nuclear apocalypse is overrated.
sentient AI is impossible, but they might have a pretty good robot.
Also singularity won't happen, sorry kids.
I think at the very least we'll have better artificial limbs and improved exo-skeleton suits, but unless we have some major push, I don't think we'll be all to close to GitS level of cybernetics with cyberbrains and the likes. However, technology grows at an exponential rate, so you never know.
Things have gotten smaller and faster. Sure its a pretty big difference but its nowhere near being able to replace parts of the human body in a reliable way. Especially when that part is the brain when we dont have the faintest clue as to how it works or how to replicate it.
My last post was an exaggeration but 15 years will be today with a couple small tweaks just like it has been for the last few centuries.
>in 10 years
pls no, I want to have sex before I die
That said even in 50 years I probably still won't
B-but what about glorious Japan?
>In your opinion, would this future be even be conceivable with the rate technology is advancing?
>sentient AI is impossible
If humans are just overly complicated computers, why can't artificial computers become sentient?
No. Japs always overestimate these things by 3x at least.
The US/Chicom conflict could go a lot of ways.
How about by 2060?
>However, technology grows at an exponential rate, so you never know.
Exponential, right. Also this planet is getting fucked by overpopulation and global warming within a century, so it's not like we're dedicating 100% of our effort to improving technology
>we will not be close but we will most certainly be close
lel, try 2260
Singularity can't happen
>technology grows at an exponential rate
We should. Think about it, if the earth gets overpopulated then we can always make backups of people's brains then do periodic rotations on when they can live in the real world.
I think we'll be on the cusp by 2100
not the same guy you were responding to..but basically by the time non organic tech gets even remotely close to simulating even an animal brain, it would be easier just to grow a specialized brain using genetic shenanigans. The human brain is the most complicated object that we know of, its no joke trying to build one from scratch.
>Implying anyone would want to live in the real world when they could just be on the net 24/7
We don't even have spider tanks yet.
Fair enough, we won't get it by 2030.
I doubt we ever will.
They're far less practical than good old tracks.
It wasn't the nuclear war that destroyed humanity, it was biotechnological birds with lasers.
Read "Watchbirds" by Robert Sheckley.
A backup is a copy which means that unless there is some kind of soul somewhere you can keep and move along with said backup your just copying a persons data and essentially making a new person.
If you have a figure of your waifu and make a backup out of scratch it is a different figure. It is not the original. If the original catches fire it is still gone. Yes you have a backup but it is not what you were trying to save. The only exception to this is if it has a soul that you move from the first to the second and that soul contains its consciousness.
The original is dead and the copy is an imitation in almost every situation with this.
>biotechnological birds with lasers
When will we get it?
I know it's a figure of speech, but at the very best it follows a straight or a logarithm curve. Just because technology made a huge jump in the last century doesn't mean we're suddenly going to come up with more revolutionary inventions within the next few decades, which will be then be rendered useless within the next 5 years after that, etc.
There are no such things as ghosts, so the majority of technology in GitS is 100% scifi with a 0% chance of ever existing.
Kind of like that yeah, except they're man-made.
>implying souls or god even exist
yfw cyberpunk really is the future of man
Do I look like a time traveler to you?
Is your name Mike Hunter?
honestly I don't see humanity actually building a brain from scratch ever. They will probably find it easier to alter DNA and use actual brains for some sort of nefarious purpose...
Well, its either that or we'll all be wiped out somehow.
Also, I dunno if we'll reach GiTs levels of tech by then, but I do know we'll have some pretty fucking awesome AR tech by then, so get hype.
How's your euphoria coming along?
Do you know why cyberpunk is a dead genre? Because everyone realizes now cybernetically enhanced humans casually being incorporated into society is a childish fantasy. It can serve as a base for a good imaginary story, but once it has been done once, there's no point in rehashing it.
Even more ads.
Drones, drones everywhere.
Some gimmicky shit like implanted phone that runs on body heat.
Why not? It's perfectly possible, you just have to make an AI that can learn from things and has virtually infinite processing power, and a fuckload of time.
Don't you mean John Titan?
I think in gits when the talk about ww3 being nuclear they mean EMP's and such
think about it how rebuild the world into a hightech future
>by rekting all the old electronics forcing much higher standards
>implanted phone that runs on body heat
So life fibers will be a thing in the future?
>sees generic comment of someone who isn't stupid enough to believe in souls and god
How's worshipping an imaginary figure working out for you?
Cyborgs and cyberbrains becoming affordable and commonplace in the next 16 years?
Yeah. Not happening.
I don't see direct machine-neural interfaces anywhere in my lifetime to be honest.
>fun, non-serious and certainly not very philosophical action movie
>expecting the portrayal of its future to be accurate
Holy fucking shit.
are you retarded its happening as we speak we've made blind people be able to semi see again and deaf people be able to hear again limbs that are almost humanlike moving freely by the nerves electric pulse
but would 2112 be like Psychopass's universe? Pretty likely.
>Implying i didnt say if souls exist.
Learn to reading comprehension
Some shit like Facebook will probably be mandatory from birth.
As opposed to terrible monitors?
If we do get augmentation soon though, it will not be glorious.
It will be run by corporations like apple and Microsoft and do you really want them inside your body all the time.
So? That's to be expected and nothing that sounds like straight out of science-fiction.
>cyberbrains becoming affordable and commonplace
I'm pretty sure something close to this will happen. Cyberbrains are nothing more than overglorified smartphones if you look at them from a functional point of view.
In 30 years Facebook will turn into virtual graveyard.
>Implying it already isn't.
Yeah I don't think its impossible, just that it would be a lot easier to use things that are already in existence. Not to mention that all technology is more than likely going to eventually start looking organic in nature at some point....other than some magical massively parallel quantum computer (which more than likely could never fit inside of a skull) there's nothing even in science fiction that could imitate the absolutely ridiculous number of connections in the human brain. Think of it this way, there are more neurons in the brain than there are stars in our galaxy and everyone of them is connected to thousands of others..work that math out! Thats just the hardware side, theres no telling what well discover about the software once we get better at researching brain function.
If you know what I mean...
Yeah, neural interfaces are already being made. Sure they suck right now, but they're new, what do you expect.
Anyway, from them, it'd be a simple matter to implant them inside someones brain, as opposed to having then just sit on your head like a hat.
Prosthesis technology is one of the slowest moving technologies out there now. Augments will take at least half a century to even be close to being commercial so don't worry.
that we know of
the you think the military talks about their blackbook projects
I think it's probably because the genre forces the work to have 1 of 1 possible plots, with the variation based on how gritty the mc is going to be.
That being said, it's really just an offshoot of film noir, which has the same plot forever but never gets old. So I guess cyberpunk isn't actually dead, it was just in style before.
Ok then lets pick a different movie. Blade Runner takes place in 2019.
I only picked that movie because it was supposed to be ~10-20 years into the future and was the only example i could think of.
Pretty good,enjoy your nihilism.
>it'd be a simple matter
Yeah, in science-fiction. Mankind landed on a small robot on Mars, so it'd only be a small matter before we colonize space right? It's not a "simple matter" by any stretch of the imagination.
Look at Myspace.
Same thing will happen to Facebook eventual.
This was straight out of science fiction 30 years ago. All human augmentations so far have integrated into society within 2-3 years. The childish fantasy is believing that we'll be opposed to it.
It's called enlightenment, buddy.
Eh, I don't know how to feel about using holograms for clothes, Hyper Oats would be a fun thing though.
Deus Ex when?
you never ask for it
>Full Cyberization: Nope
>Tachikoma/AI Robots: Sure, but probably not as smart as you'd expect
There, saved you 16 years.
Naval Officer here.
Military technology will not change appreciably in the next 15 years. Modular weapons and vehicles are becoming popular (due to be rolled out in a decade) and laser weapons are in the early phases of testing, but other than that it's the same old equipment.
In 15 years we will see the first commercial appearance of cybernetic prosthetics (eyes, legs, arms, etc.). Although not commonplace it will be an option.
Hand held computing on the other hand will bound forward with new gadgets and technology that will keep us connected and informed. I can see glasses with HUDs and the the adoption of touch technology in all areas of culture and industry.
Cyberbrains are still a little ways off, 30-45 years by my reckoning.
Technology helping disabled people regaining some part of their senses is not really what I'd call cybernetics enhancement. We're talking about lifelike cyborgs, super soldiers, cyber brains, not your average blind Joe being able to see life in through a black and white 16p filter.
Go back to /b/
You haven't read a lot of classic science fiction, have you?
It took 40 minutes to model 1 second. Its a start to show it can be done.
If you use moore's law we can see the entire brain being mapped in real time by 2050 and cyberbrains coming out around 2080.
Prosthetics on the other hand, becoming a cyborg, and tachkomas running around are all on track still. Self driving cars as well of course. But you need to ask yourself: do I throw out my current pair of glasses for google glasses?
Probably not. Thats where we are cyber wise. Nobody really wants to commit at this stage and start throwing out body limbs and eyes for "improvements".
k so 70 years till super computers can mimic complete brain activity...k when are we going to see them the size of a grapefruit?
If you stopped to think for a second, even Star Trek had a blind guy visor that allowed sight as one of the main characters. This was later switched to cybernetic eyes to keep up with advances in real technology I imagine.
When guts finally gets off the boat
Being a naval officer doesnt really provide much clout when it comes to something like this. No more so than anyone else in this thread.
Unless we have some certified bio engineers or robotics expert everything said in this thread is people talking out their asses myself included.
Though i to tend to agree with you except cyberbrains and shit are more like a couple hundred years out and cyper prosthetic in the sci fi term are at least 50
Nemisis may have been a shitty movie but LaForge looked like the ideal of trans humanism in it.
Super Computers will be able to replicate brain activity in 40 odd years. They will me miniaturized and become grapefruit cyber brains in 70.
thats a pretty steep timeline...
>He doesn't know about the singularity.
I'd believe it. We're seeing a lot of stuff out there that could be considered in their very early prototype phases.
Can't remember where I read it, but some group is working on making prosthetics that hook up to your nerves (ala FMA).
Will I be able to put my brain in a brain case anytime soon? How long does the brain live?
Right now, in GITS:SAC the major should have had her accident and been fully cyberized. There is no such thing even in concept of a cyber brain currently. '
No way its coming about.
you are the case anon...the question is, how long will YOU live?
Cyberized brain never ;_;
I'm going to kill myself then.
Blade Runner isn't hard sci-fi either though. Unless I see a citation I'm not going to believe that Ridley Scott really thought that humanity would be spacefaring and building real human-like androids just 17 years after the time the movie was made.
That aside, even in the '80s people believed that humanity would make enormous leaps in technology once we passed the new millennium. In past decades the belief was even stronger, as DADoES was written 14 years before BR and it set the timeline as 1992. But guess what, past the millennium humanity did make enormous leaps in technology in nearly a decade and a half compared to the '80s and even the '90s. It was just not in the same way the people back then expected. Decades ago Star Trek was showing huge ugly ass devices functioning as cellphones way into the future, nowadays those devices would be a laughingstock if they were produced. But they did accurately predict that there would be cellphones in the future.
In short, back then people were expecting very big advances, nowadays despite the still-developing technology in all fields we're expecting the opposite, very small advances. The truth of the matter is that even a decade later the world will have changed in ways very difficult to imagine nowadays, but those changes won't necessarily come with a futuristic aesthetic.
How long until cute tanks doing cute things?
we've been doing that since the late 90's
go nuts nigga
We need our helium, don't be a bitch and just hang yourself.
>huge ass device cellphones
Not very huge compared to the ugly touch screen shit that sells like hotcakes.
You can get smaller touchscreen phones. And touchscreens are still are a million times more functional than a number pad (except for playing games).
And my point in referencing those movies has nothing to do with the content or how they are portrayed at all. It even has nothing to do with saying that something inside them wont happen. My only point was that every time someone says we will be in flying cars in a decade it has been wrong. Every time someone says we will be on mars in two decades it will be wrong. Every time someone says we will have androids in three decades it has been wrong.
And of course i know that most sci fi isnt meant to be taken totally seriously in that context but when you have people like OP spouting this kinda shit you have to explain it.
Assigning a year to when x is coming out is pretty much guaranteed to be wrong because people are FAR too optimistic when it comes to technological advancements.
>you can get smaller
You can always "get" anything.
But you're argument was comparing the sizes of what sells.
No cyberized brains, but there are a lot possbilities out there. Mapping the brain and then uploading it to a computer, where your conciouness would be streamed into a robot could happen. Of course you could die in the process and the copy lives forever but hey!
But if you are going to off your self take out an insurance policy on yourself and go get your brain frozen. Good chance you will wake up in cyberized brain then.
Right, but not as well. I should have elaborated.
I'm talking functional fake limbs that work as if you never lost the limb. Basically a step up from what we've currently got, but not as good as real limbs themselves.
It's not gonna matter how you feel about hologram cloths because we'll all be dead by then and it'll be up to our grand and great-grand children.
Will /a/ still be around in 2030? I don't ever want to get off this ride.
Moot will have sold us out by then, or it'll have been taken down by some agency.
Still, we'll have some other place to talk hopefully, That's not jail.
We can meet at my house. Then we can plan to kill moot.
The entire point of sci-fi is that it's possible, unlikely, but possible.
Not necessarily. That's why have completely overblown dystopian science-fiction, hard science-fiction, etc. GitS was never really meant to be realistic.
Killing him's not enough.
We have to protect the servers and make sure no-body can ever harm them.
This looks like it'll be a long game.
We already do have the technology and prowess to build prosthetic limbs that would be as nimble as real limbs.
The problem is 2 things: the production costs and the market it's stuck in. It would literally be in the millions of $$$ to build such a thing and it's only going to be used for amputees, to which there's not that much amputees out there (and virtually all of them are not exactly rich) to make a dent in the market.
Why is the internet going to die anon?
I disagree. The copy is different as much as you are different than you were a second ago. Your situation has changed slightly, but you're essentially the same.
Fuck you anon. I'm crying now.
Did we ever get the 9gag douche bag that water marked this as his own?
I'm crying now.
I'm cryingmI hope your happy you fucking bastard son of a bitch holy shit i fuking hate you right noe
Fuck you anon.
That's why I'm GitS we have WW3 and then very specifically they call it the "non-Nuclear WW4"
WW3 fucked shit up
You may say fuck you but I still love you guys.
And I love you too anon.
Please, never change, /a/.
Love you too, anon.
I genuinely would
I can't wait till 2030 and it turns out we're actually ahead of GiTS.
Seriously, everyone in this thread is retarded. Trying to predict technological advancement is the most fickle thing in the world. One significant advancement could catapult technology forward.
All it takes is one, and we're on the verge of one right now, you uncultured plebs.
>no one in this thread mentions graphene
You realize that model was made on shit tier computers right? The advent of graphene will completely destroy that time. It's like you faggots didn't hear that MIT built a 437ghz (Four hundred thirty-seven gigahertz) computer with graphene boards, instead of silicon. And that was just a test run.
>sentient AI is impossible
Really? What if instead of trying to design an AI that copies humanity's sentience we instead design an AI that copies Humanity's Tabula Rosa state at birth and then teach it as if it were human?
This thread is about more than computational power, and technology isn't solely defined by how fast computers work. There absolutely no way the technology we see in GitS is plausible, and that's not making a wild guess. You're the only "uncultured pleb" here. Good job arriving after the battle and trying to claim superior knowledge over everyone, though.
Again, all of those are somewhat possible.
>This thread is about more than computational power, and technology isn't solely defined by how fast computers work
That wasn't my point. My point was that predicting technology is pointless. I used graphene as an example to show how quickly things can change.
Good job not comprehending my post, and trying to claim superior knowledge though.
9gag watermarks everything as their own and then put a fake caption like "my gf did this!"
Yes, let's never make predictions about future technology, because who knows when we'll discover some miracle material or discovery that will revolutionize the way we think about things.
We're only making educated guesses. We're saying X is not likely to be invented by 20XX, if ever. There's nothing wrong with that.
>There's nothing wrong with that
There isn't, but half these posts are forgetting that it's merely conjecture, and advocating their posts as fact.
Memories alteration is already possible, google glass might be cumbersome to wear and operate, but it's the first step to augmented reality, we also have Oculus Rift and prosthetic limbs are no big deal now.
We'll be having digital immortality sometime around 2050, so GiTS tech isn't really that far fetched.