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Acclaimed director Hayao Miyazaki let audiences know how he really feels about the anime industry in a recent television interview. According to the recent retiree, anime suffers because industry staff is made up of otaku who "don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans."

You're killing the animu industry, /a/
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Forgot link
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-30/miyazaki/the-problem-with-the-anime-industry-is-it-full-of-otaku
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>>101292557
Hayao a shit.
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>>101292596
Mistranslation used to bait for hits.

Man of wisdom in the email field
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>>101292557
>You're killing the animu industry, /a/
I'm sure /a/ wishes they could be an animator.
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He's right, everyone knows it, stop making new threads.
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>>101292557
Doesn't this count as spamming?
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>>101292557


Hes a faggot anyways. Remember when he refused to go to ameriland for his oscar because they were killing terrorists?
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>>101292596
He barely talks about Otaku in the original link at all.
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inb4 idiots misinterpret him as saying that characters aren't drawn realistic enough.
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WELL DON'T FUCKING BLAME ME
GOD KNOWS I TRIED TO STOP IT
THEY DIDN'T LISTEN
LOOK AT THESE FUCKING SHITS IN THIS VERY THREAD
NOBODY WANTED TO LISTEN
CAN YOU BLAME ME CASHING IN ON THESE DISGUSTING CREATURES
SOMEBODY JUST END MY MISERY ALREADY
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>>101293301
You will live a long life, Anno.
A long life of disappointment and no cash will help you to whitewash it.
Thats ... the curse of the eva.
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>>101293486
At least i'll take the entire original NGE fanbase that has become self aware in a spiral of misery down with me.
Good enough.
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>>101293486
No, the curse of Eva is commercial success without trying, a great deal of money without any soul or effort, the ultimate torment for an artist worthless pieces being praised.
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>>101292557
>humans who can't stand looking at other humans.

I think he maybe hit the nail on the head guys.
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>>101293641
The curse of eva is knowing that all the shitty shows you like will never amount to anything.
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>>101293737
People seem not to be angry because he's wrong, but because they feel personally attacked
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>>101293876

He's just an old bitter man. "Dang kids and their iPads, well back in my day we didn't have no iPads! It's this darn rap music the kids listen to today. God dang whippersnappers."
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>>101293876
Well they should grow some fucking balls.
Being a shut-in bitter nerd gives you a certain product, and only a certain kind of product.
It's a point of view that will influence your work in a certain way, and it has a place in this market.
However when everyone is a fucking shut in bitter hateful nerd, everything starts blending together into a single blob, one vision, one product, this detached, cold entity that doesn't have any warmth.
We need more variation in this industry, and actually we have been in need for more variation and more different point of views for a long ass time now.
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>>101294009
He is right and you don't like the reality
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>>101292557
Why in he hell you anons love him so much??
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>>101294009
since you mention it:
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/07/hayao-miyazaki-compares-ipad-use-to-masturbation/
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>>101293743
The curse of EVA is that by today's standards it's shit.
By the old standards it's also pretty shit.
The Mecha vs Aliens is the only good part.
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>>101294188
He made some pretty good movies. Also he never used two ?? when one would have been enough.
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>>101294188
Because he's good at his craft.
And he's also a reasonable man that speaks the truth, even if the truth is unpleasant.
I prefer a man that tells the truth and speaks his mind than a man that panders the lonely otaku just to make him buy more merch.
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>>101294077
The same can be said about works targeted towards normalfags, Ghibli characters are nothing but bland, plot is also as bland as it can get, if you have more than two neurons you can understand Miyazaki movies are just cartoon for children and alikes.
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>>101294199
Oh wow.
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>>101292557
You're kidding yourself if you think the western fandom has any serious affect on the industry.
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>>101293876
Nah. I'm just angry because of the idiots on all the sites saying that moe is the death of anime or complaining that everything these days is shit. Nostalgia fags are almost as bad as dubfags, and usually, those two groups overlap far more than they should.
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>>101292557
5 bucks he says the exact same thing ten years from now again.
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>>101294447
So you are angry because people have different opinions? Real mature
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>>101294199
>He's not anti computers, I think he's anti techno-social encroachment.
Best comment ever.
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>>101294236
/v/ermin anime misconceptions/opinions:
>Older animation has better animation than modern anime
>Eva invented "tsunder" "arch type"
>Eva Invented "kuuder" "arch type"
>Emotionless characters are "Rei clones"
>Cowboy Bebop is a masterpiece of anime
>Cowboy Bebop is a very influential anime
>KyoAni invented moe
>Moe was created in the beginning of "00 and not in early "70
>Eva is the most influential anime ever
>Sailor Moon is the first mahou shoujo created
>Moe is a genre
>Seinen is violent and "gory" mature anime Genre
>Despite the fact they are financing anime industry otaku actually is killing industry by buying anime they like
>Shonen is a battle genre
>anime must be dubbed or is shit(unable to read)
>More than one anime title = "Animes"
>17 years old character is a loli
>More than one manga title = "Mangas"
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>>101294514
I'll take that wager.

Chances are he'll be dead.
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>>101294009
Tablets are shit. He should have shat on the whole technology but he probably said Ipad because they were more known.

>>101294447
"Moe SOL" isn't the death of anime. Otaku escapism is the shit of anime and there's a lot of it nowadays...
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>>101294552
So he's like a chinese cartoon una bomber?
Sick shit.
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>>101294550
Basically yes. I really can't stand any anime communities outside of /a/.
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>>101292557
Stop spamming this shitstorm inducing thread. sage
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>>101294618
>Tablets are shit.
A tablet is a tool.
His message was geared towards technology killing the interaction between human beings instead of helping it, not the tech itself.
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>>101294656
/a/ is not your personal hugbox though where all people should share your silly opinions.
But since you are also a tripfag, I suspect you to suffer from USI anyways.
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>>101294656
About that. If you read the ANN thread, you'll see some retard saying Japan needds immigration!

FUUUUUUUUCK. I don't even like /pol/ but this is sheer stupidity coming from a typical westerner hipster LGBTQ cocksucking otaku.
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>industry staff is made up of otaku who "don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans.

How is this a bad thing? If I wanted to see real people, I'd go outside.
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I hate when people said shit like that, some people avoid contact because they had awful experiences and is hard to them even look to other people, they don't avoid people just because

is just some victim blaming shit, fuck that guy,
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>>101294581
60's Moe is my favorite.
90's Moe a shit.
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>>101294795
>/a/ is not your personal hugbox though where all people should share your silly opinions
...yes it is?
Where the hell do you think you are?
/a/, /v/, /pol/, all these boards are gigantic hugboxes, it's just that the hivemind is different than the general consensus out of this place, however it doesn't really change the fact that it's a hugbox all the same.
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point is he prefers art over product
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>>101294886
You're literally retarded.
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Maybe the anime industry is only the way it is because it's an industry based on MAKING PROFIT?

He does realize that people are going to make stuff that people want to buy right? It's all nice and good that he wants anime to become artsy and such but here's the joke Miyazaki-chan.

Normalfags who'll watch your artsy mature anime went shell out the green to make anime feasible product for people who aren't selling their products based on their older better works like you do now Miyazaki.

So start fucking shelling out the dosh for the stuff you want if you want the market to change.
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>>101294907
You couldn't sound more like a fag with a dick in your mouth
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>>101292557
>You're killing the animu industry, /a/

>because industry staff is made up of otaku

/a/ is a studio now!

What anime will we produce!?
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>>101295124
naruto
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>>101294886
Here's how i can reconstruct the problem so you can understand how it can affect you:

If you use media for escapism, and the people that make that media that you use for escapism also only understand everything else by using other media for escapism, you will get shittier and shittier derivative products that are less and less effective for this intended purpose.

People that have lived life instead of you, can give you better material for escapism, they live life so you don't have to, they give you fresh and better material you can sink your teeth in to use for escapism.
Imagine taking a photo and making a million copies over and over and over until there's nothing left, selling you a new copy of that photo fading away as the years go by, instead of someone going outside, taking a new photo, and selling it to you, so you can see a new place, or a new person.
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>>101295004
>Maybe the anime industry is only the way it is because it's an industry based on MAKING PROFIT?
Shhhhhh anon, cant let the artists find this out this is a business.
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>>101295124
I want an anime about cold war agents in the divided berlin.
Love, conspiracy, assasination, terrorism and the like.
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>>101292557
if it's made for me, how am i killing it?
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>>101295124
Baccano S2
Biscuit Hammer
Black Lagoon S3
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Everything now is soulless, edgy, obnoxious, noisy, morbid, over-produced, over-designed crap.Written by people that are detached from reality and society.

But it's not an anime and otaku exclusive thing though.Even the normalfag stuff is too gritty too me.
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>>101295256
>Black Lagoon S3
How? Hiroe is producing new chapters at a snail's pace
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>>101292557
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>>101295273
I completely agree, glad to see there's someone left on /a/ that understands.
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>>101295124
More Boku no Pico and yuri series.
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>>101294581
You are stupid if you believe one of them isn't true.
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>>101295201
See
>>101295171
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>>101295124
New Vicky the viking episodes
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>>101292557
Do we need to have this thread every fucking day?
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>>101295559
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>>101295171
>People that have lived life instead of you, can give you better material for escapism
yeah remember that time J.R tolkien actually met a dragon, and an orc, and a hobbit? fucking incredible right
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In one of these other bait threads was a youtube video posted that showed Myazaki drawing a scene of somebody falling and he was redoing it and explained his reasons and stuff.
Anybody knows what I'm talking about and could post it?
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The original post says "Animators don't look at people so don't know what people look like when they move".

Somehow this got twisted to "Otaku fans like moeblobs so the anime industry is dead".

Sasuga morons.
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>The Abe Administration, the Iraq War, and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation.
>iPad
He doesn't feel the same way about the iPhone, I hope. Smartphones are a thing of fuckin beauty.
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>>101295630
remember all those scenes in the hobbit where aragon got shy about the 9 girls who had crushes on him and ran away from an embarassing sexual situation
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>>101295559
Also i kinda get offended when people use the term "otaku" to describe the kind of person that is here on /a/.
Back in the day wasn't the term "otaku" used for people that did have groups they met up with, friends that were interested in anime and manga like them?
Went to cons to have fun, buy merch and shit?
I mean they weren't the most social animals on the block, but there was a social element to it, i seem to recall.
How is anyone here an "otaku" and not just...i don't know how to describe you guys but it's like you aren't really part of anything.
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>>101295420
This is /v/ermin for ya
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>>101295717
aragorn and he wasnt in the hobbit, but whatever, your point stands
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>>101295742
Such ableist language

My G-d
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Can we not have TEN THOUSANDS of Miyazaki threads?!

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING MODS
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>>101295717
>the hobbit
>aragon

it's equally easy to draw the character fucking all of them and anybody could do it.
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>>101295800
Because you still reply to them
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>>101295420
>2008
>Still being cancerous and posting on /v/
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>>101295630
No, however i do remember Tolkien extrapolating his work from his own life experience, creating fantasy scenarios inspired by things he had seen in his everyday life.
When creating something A doesn't always equal to B, the source material doesn't always output in the direction you would expect it to.
But there has to be an A, there has to be an input, and as i said before, if the A is derivative products then B, any kind of B that comes out, it's gonna look more like A 2.0 than a proper B.
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>>101295742

Otaku is, and always has been, used to describe an obsessive nerd with a hobby (which doesn't necessarily have to be anime e.g. military otaku, VG otaku, idol otaku). Western weeaboos faggots have bastardised the word and distorted it because they think it's cool to use the term either against someone else or to define themself.
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>>101294188
Porco Rosso(36)
「今日こそ あのロリコン共め」Roughly means
"I'll beat those pedophiles TODAY! "

On the other part,he says
「ひ孫を楽しみに待ってな~っ」
Implying he makes kids between Fio Piccolo(17)
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>>101295894
>because

Where the fuck did you see any "why" in previous question?
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The only people who seem to disagree are otaku, go figure.
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>>101295845
the point is that he didn't
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>>101296140
I don't see a reason to disagree. The stigma it carries in Japan is heavier than that even here - people who not only shut themselves in, but eschew contact because they hate people in general.
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>>101295911
>his own life experience
so he's own life experience was researching pagan religion? reading a tonne of other books and all that?

he's celebrated for his creativity not for his edgy realistic depiction of life. you're deliberately ignoring the fact that lotr is fiction and has no place or basis in reality ever.
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>>101296172
It wouldn't make any sense in the context anyways. It's a children story, goddamit.
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Miyazaki takes all of his positive emotions and channels them entirely into his work, leaving nothing but bitterness and disdain for the rest of the world.
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>>101295962
I just want the social element to be back.
I'm talking 5+ years ago here on 4chan, we had meetups, we had groups forming.
Where did that all go?
If /a/ did a meetup right now, absolutely no one would show up but people from /b/ and shit.
Where did it all go?
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>>101296183
That's Hikikomori, Otaku are just weirdos who go train watching or obsess over anime or something similar.
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>>101296315
So like a reverse anno?
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>>101292557
And yet he's done absolutely nothing in a bit over the past 10 years to "solve" this so called problem. It's just typical Japanese bias against Otaku.
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>>101296380
Like kicking them in the ass and telling them to get a girlfriend?
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>>101296348
What the fuck is wrong with train watching, bitch?
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>>101296440
The problem with todays public transportation is that it's filled with obsessive train fans.
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>>101296380
>And yet he's done absolutely nothing in a bit over the past 10 years to "solve" this so called problem.
This is a reasonable point of view, don't just point out a problem, try to fix it.
>It's just typical Japanese bias against Otaku.
This isn't, they do deserve the blame.
A certain someone DID try to change things sending a specific message but it backfired massively.
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>>101296440
I'm just referencing train otaku, supposedly one of the crazier types of otaku.

Blame the Nips, they're the one calling you a nutcase, not me.
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>>101296440
given how strict japan is about fitting in and being normal in public, its basically like larping on a train in the US
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>>101296490
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>>101296506
They deserve blame for what? Buying anime?

If normalfags bought normalfag anime the anime industry wouldn't rely on Otaku. Seeing as SnK sold like sex, it seems like normalfags are capable of buying anime.
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>movie director taking shit about tv staff
>telling people with a 8am-6pm job with low pay to meet people
kek
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>>101296601
The polarization of the industry is also killing anime.
Enough with the otaku-normalfag rivalry, aways black or white and nothing else, we need more works that are in between.
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>>101296440
Nothing, please don't hurt me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZizFnSfrEQ
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>>101292557
>implying Miyazaki's caricature characters are anywhere near "real people"
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>>101296490
What perfect satire
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>>101296719
I have no idea what makes an anime normalfag or otaku. I just watched Hyouka, is that normalfag or Otaku?
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>>101295673
But even that isn't true. Many of the moeblob slice of life anime have their characters mimic behavioral tics you see in people all the time. So much so this seems to be the main way of grounding these characters in reality, by giving them little tics that you would see in your friends and or yourself, and have the instance connection. The only way to do that is people watching, so they clearly do and are. I don't know what miyazaki's on. Maybe he thinks every studio has the money and time and staff for production Ghibli has.
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>>101296786
>haruhi goes mystery solving
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>>101296325
That /b/ meetup video pretty much steered me away from ever wanting to see any of you in person.

I know that's /b/, but still.
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>>101296380
You say that as if otaku weirdos aren't an overall damper on anime culture.
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Can someone explain to me why anime needs to be more realistic?

What?
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>>101297067
That's not what we're talking about here, and you're too retarded to understand what we're actually discussing.
Thus i'm not even gonna bother.
Please continue masturbating and leave this thread alone.
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I came here just to post this, but you beat me to it
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>>101297067
The things I would do to that squid...
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>>101297208
Cut her up and roast her with some lemon juice?
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>>101295124
We did produce Katawa Shoujo, but I don't think that counts.
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>>101295322
he did say in his first copy that it was his first book in four years.
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>>101297138
This is basically making shit up, when you misinterpret someone this badly.

I'll give the author the benefit of the doubt and assume she really believed what she was writing and couldn't read Japanese well enough to understand what he was saying.
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>>101297325
>We did produce Katawa Shoujo
SHUT THE FUCK UP
LIKE TWO FUCKING PEOPLE FROM /a/ WERE LEFT ON THAT PROJECT IN THE END AFTER FUCKING YEARS AND THEY BARELY EVEN VISITED THE BOARD ANYMORE AFTER THE INITIAL PERIOD
IT WAS MADE ALMOST ENTIRELY BY EXTERNAL INDIVIDUALS
/a/ NEVER DID FUCKING SHIT
APOLOGIZE IMMEDIATELY FOR EVEN SUGGESTING THAT
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>>101296490
10/10
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>>101297446
You seem betrayed would you like me to transfer you some dogecoins?
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>>101292557
>>101292557
>Oh yeah, girls like this exist in real life.

At least he accidentally summarized why no one makes realistic anime.

Literally no one wants real girls. They want imaginary girls, because imagination is always better than the mundane. If Miyazaki wants to prove his point, he should make a movie about mundane life, not the fantastical. Every single movie he has made has contained either raw fantasy or fantastic situations (like his most recent film), not the reality of life.

He is a hypocrite to the extreme, and he doesn't even realize it.
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>>101297446
Platinum mad.
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>>101296228
Please kill yourself. LOTR is allegorical to Tolkien's experience serving in WWI.

As to this thread, Miyazaki is an overrated hack. I don't understand why the West likes to suck his dick so much, his movies were mediocre at best.
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>>101297790
Tolkien has stated that this is in fact not the case.
Also your opinions are shit, please stop having any.
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>>101297706
>because imagination is always better than the mundane
Well, their imagination is pretty mundane. And incredibly derivative.
I wouldn't call all these formulaic shounens, LN, harems and slice of life very imaginative.
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>>101294581

>Older anime had better animation than modern anime

It's not really fair to compare digital to traditional animation, you know. This one is entirely up to personal preference. But it's a fact that traditional takes much more effort.
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>>101297706
Why do you people have so much trouble understanding that the best kind of fiction is fiction based on one's personal experiences in life?
Some of the best fictional girls you guys have masturbated over were based on ex and current girlfriends, ex and current wives, childhood crushes and so on.
Why is it so hard for you to understand?
Good personal experiences make for great fiction, if your personal experience is nothing but fiction other people made, it becomes progressively more boring and derivative.
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>>101292557
Miyazaki is right but that doesn't mean everything would be sunshine and roses if things were his way. I mean look at his studio new directors will find it hard to break out of the ghibli formula. So it's just a endless cycle of making things we've already seen with a different set of paint.

not only do we need new animators and directors with different experiences/points of view, we also need studios that support/grow those people and an audience that will take more chances.
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>>101297949
We have reached the conclusion that while Miyazaki is right, he isn't doing much to solve the problem he pointed out.
Or at least we're trying to reach this reasonable conclusion if butthurt retards didn't try to step back and make bitter comments every five minutes.
>not only do we need new animators and directors with different experiences/points of view, we also need studios that support/grow those people and an audience that will take more chances
Absolutely
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>>101297858
And they're almost all made for kids who haven't experienced enough in life to find them mundane.

Although, slice of life definitely doesn't fit the bill. I wasn't really aiming at an all-encompassing claim with my whole 50 word essay on why Miyazaki is silly.
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>>101297067
A person who was been on many adventures can tell a story than a shut-in who has only heard of them.
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>>101298273
A person who reads many books can tell an interesting story. Of course otaku seem to be borderline retarded, so I really doubt they are bookworms.
No, manga and LNs don't count.
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Has he seen society today?I can sympathize with otaku sometimes just a little cause after working for years and meeting people of all kinds i doubt i would miss much otherwise.If the alternative was better maybe people wouldn't need to escape as much and we would see better quality.
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>>101292557
>>101292630

Hayaow realized that the animu industry can never be saved.

So yeah. FUCK everyone.
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>>101298273
You don't even need to go on crazy adventures, it's enough to go to a trip to a nice location, maybe a cool beach with some wilderness near it, read a book about lizards, create a story about lizardmen living on a beach having adventures on the beach and the wilderness, writing down the details of that location, what you felt being there, what you imagined it would be like to explore more of that location and so on.
You don't need 100% personal experience, you just need some of it to make things less boring and more genuine.
You have these authors going work-home-anime-vidya-work-home-anime-vidya-work-home-anime-vidya routine over and over and over for fucking years, never doing anything else.
Boring people that will give you boring stories.
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>>101297910
Not everyone suffers from such a severe lack of imagination that they can't create situations from accumulated experience, vicarious or not.

And there's no such thing as a person with no personal experience. Everyone who writes is going to be using these experiences, combined with all of their other memories that blur together and have absorbed traits from media as the crispness of the memory fades. The amount of reality and fiction in their own memories will obviously come in different proportions depending on what they've done in life, and how interesting their life was.

Can a man who fought in a world war, met a woman amidst the war, married her, and became a widower after only 6 months of marriage write a popular work about love and intrigue in a city? He can, and did. I'm sure there are countless situations like this where people write about things they have never experienced to great success.

The problem with anime isn't that they don't have experience, the problem is that they're writing for themselves and they're catering to people with similar tastes. There's a market for this, and anime exploits it. There's a market for this kind of thing in most niches.
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>>101298273
>A person who was been on many adventures can tell a story

This >>101298814

Any fag with a good imagination can tell a good story.
Just look at /tg/.
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>>101298531
Isn't this indemnification of the work ethic of the industry and not anime otaku working in the industry? I can be head or heels for anime and still go on trips world wide or have friend or have good times and bad times with those friends or like eating new foods or whatever. However, if the work hours are so bad all I see is the same thing over and over it's not my failing, but the life I'm locked into. Perhaps the solution to this isn't tp insult the industry, but give it better pay and more free time experience life and grow, so that they can create new things.
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>>101299132
Yes, absolutely, and i suppose that's the true core of the issue here.
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>>101299261
Can this be solved technocratically? I've heard use of 3D doesn't actually increase studio efficiency that much, so I'm wondering if the onus falls on management and studio heads and so forth. If that's the case, then it becomes about policy and money, which would mean nothing is going to happen.
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>>101292557
>>101293301

This is ten times funnier if you know that Anno and Miyazaki are bros in real life.
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>>101299950
Anno doesn't have friends, just people that buy him drinks and let him weep in peace.
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>>101300114
Anno is a happy normalfag now, he's no longer one of us
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>>101300207
It's just a mask, he keeps telling himself everyone is an idiot and he can exploit them all and has assumed this cynical jewish persona, but he's a sad, miserable individual inside that hates his own fans and what he has become.
He's gonna kill himself any day now, just you wait.
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>>101300114
>>101300207

no, it's legit, Miyazaki was the first person to ever give Anno a job after he got expelled from animation school for being an autist and they've stayed in touch ever since. Why the fuck do you think Anno voiced the main character of The Wind Rises when he has fuck-all experience as a voice actor?
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You guys need to watch otaku no video.
The otakus of yesteryear were completely different from the current gen.
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>>101300370
...it was a joke, everyone knows Anno and him are friends.
Geez.
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Modern industry completely destroys creativity. And I'm not talking only about anime. I'm talking about everything related - light novels, games, visual novels, card games, doujinshi etc. All this shallow garbage polluting Akihabara.

It's not inspiring, it's fucking junk, rubbish. Touhou wasn't popular in 90s. And I bet something like KanColle wouldn't be popular either.
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>>101300493
I'm confused.
Are Touhou and KanaColle rubbish because they don't inspire or good because they do?
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>>101301060
Tohou was considered mindless stupid rubbish back in the day, basically the old mlp fans.
Now, compared to everything else, it's not so bad.
And that is really fucking depressing on many levels.
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>>101300462
My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall anything particular about it that indicated modern and old are that distinct from each other.
>>101300493
This is true for capitalist ventures in general. Management squeeze the creativity out their staff by working them to the bone. In winter, I literally do not see the sun, just florescent lights. That said, I think touhou would go over well given its roots in shinto mysticism and the military otaku at least, would still fawn over kanecolle, though I do think it wouldn't be that far along do to distribution issues.
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>>101301534
>My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall anything particular about it that indicated modern and old are that distinct from each other.
There's a difference, however i think the most reasonable conclusion here is that old otakus were more innocent, in an industry that was more innocent.
They did a lot of stupid shit that was acceptable back in the day, while it isn't acceptable now.
Thus new otakus never have that "experimenting" period where they do stupid shit, they're instantly shunned for it, and thus they never have a chance to build up a community, by consequence there's no exchange of fresh blood, old otakus stay in their circlejerk groups and everyone else is left out in the dirt, all they can do is become total loners, hated both by normalfags and the older generation of otakus, and thus the end result is the market we have today.
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>>101301733
Are you sure it's not just a case of the internet letting us retreat into our minds and build our world there? I mean, look at touhou or miku. Games, art (not just porn), MMD, music videos, music... it seems to me modern otaku have exchanged physical experimentation for digital. The price does seem to be human interaction though, since collaboration can be done over the internet.

I'm not sure about the insular nature of things. I mean, now thanks to wiki or piratebay, anyone can come along and devour any work in a week or at least a good chunk. Doesn't that naturally broaden the spectrum? And it's not like you can hide on the internet. Lot of forums are a mishmash of groups and even 4chan with its separate boards has constant spill over to seemingly many's frustration. Back then you and your friends could just hide in your garage or something and that was it.

I do sorta feel like they were more innocent times, but I'm not sure why. I'm old though...
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itt large figures in anime history don't know more about anime history than people who haven't watched anything from pre-2000s
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>>101302430
I don't think the problem is the internet, because otakus were among the first to use it both to communicate with other likeminded individuals, and to exchange stuff.
If the problem is the internet, it's not an otaku specific thing, rather something that affected everyone over time, humanity itself changed along with the internet and everyone is becoming more cold, bitter and distant with each other.
Then again that might just be me ranting like an old man, maybe i'm starting to get out of touch, that's just my general impression, i remember online communities not taking themselves so seriously back in the day, and less people constantly raging in general.
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>>101302430
>I mean, now thanks to wiki or piratebay, anyone can come along and devour any work in a week or at least a good chunk.
Yet they still consume mostly garbage. Sad, isn't it?
>Games, art (not just porn), MMD, music videos, music..
Modern mainstream is very derivative and quite frankly incredibly dumb. Be it Asian or Western. Look what kind of videos are really popular. It's like humanity is getting dumber and dumber.
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France's Angoulême Comics Festival Displays Comfort Women Manhwa

>France's Angoulême International Comics Festival opened on Thursday with an exhibit featuring about 10 manhwa (Korean comics) about "comfort women." The exhibit focuses on young women and girls forced into prostitution by the former Empire of Japan's military during World War II. The South Korean government requested the event to hold the exhibition.

Using a knock-off version of manga to force an agenda? discuss

source:
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-31/france-angouleme-comics-festival-displays-comfort-women-manhwa
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>>101302786
What the fuck does this has to do with ANYTHING we've been discussing here?
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>>101302829
meant to start a new thread. my bad nigger
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BUTTHURT JAPANESE OTAKU STATUS:

[ ] NOT TOLD
[ ] TOLD
[X] TAMATOLD MARKET
[X] BERTOLD HOOVER
[X] YUKI NAGATOLD
[X] SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATOLD
[X] MATOLD RYUUKO
[X] SUPER SONITOLD
[X] TOLDRIKO
[X] TOLD EATER
[X] TOLDNARI NO SEKI-KUN
[X] TOLD LOVE RU DARKNESS
[X] BAKEMONOTOLDGARI
[X] MAKOTOLD ITOLD
[X] OBITOLD UCHIHA
[X] MAKOTOLD SHISHIO
[X] DIO BRANDTOLD AND HIS ROAD TOLDER
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>>101303664
Why the fuck would they be butthurt, the entire fucking market is pandering to them.
Everyone else should be butthurt instead.
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>>101302649
>>101302682
I don't want to boil it down so simply, but maybe it's casuals getting access to the internet. How do I put this without sounding elitist, there's more of them than there are of us, and they're going to pick the lowest hanging fruit, because they never really become vested in the medium - it's just a passing lark to them. The internet allows them to do this near instantly now, too, so the "it's too much work barrier" is severely reduced as well. On top of it, because it's just a passing interest, the easily digested stuff is the only thing that grows, since the more complex stuff requires a real vested look at the medium, rather than just a fly by. And this is the result. You could even apply this concept to piracy, because even then you had to work for it, not just click a button.

I look at stuff like kanecolle and think it fits this sort of shifting instant gratification, no fiber, easily understood era pretty well, and lo and behold it's rather popular.
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>>101296752
Fuck Singapore for closing its old train station. Woodlands Train Checkpoint a shit.
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>>101303814
I really wouldn't mind if there was more funny stuff.
This new generation doesn't know how to laugh, both at themselves and at everything else, it's the most boring, super serious super pompous generation ever.
The funny stuff doesn't sell and fades into obscurity too quickly.
If you aren't gonna do "deep" stuff, at least make something funny to watch.
I want a new Excel Saga, a new 2x2 Shinobuden, shit like that.
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The geezer is right, and fuck all of you.
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>>101304016
I disagree. The new generation laughs at almost everything. It's the era of memes, short-lived fads and instant gratification.
The most popular videos on Youtube are some short films about yawning cats. On Nico Douga Idolm@ster or Touhou MMDs.
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>>101304202
All of that is cheap humor, it's not really what i'm talking about.
Not that the anime i named was the quintessence of sophisticated humor, but i'm talking about something a little more interesting than just slapping memes in something and pretending it's funny.
That's too mindless, that's not funny anymore, it becomes something sad, mass produced, without a soul.
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>>101304202
While that's true at the same time there does seem to be this desire to be taken more seriously. Like we're all going through the teen phase of an industry. Videogames have a really bad case of this in US right now, too. Was it like this in the past? Where people were looking for validation in it being OK to like anime? Or vidya? There always seemed to be some embarrassment, but there never seemed to be that push for social acceptance.

>>101304356
Because it is? It seems to be a new type of business model based on the old music model. Vinyls were advertising for the concerts, where the real money was made. This time around it's the product is free, use how you want, and we get the ad revenue or the commercial contracts when it becomes so popular ad companies will use it. Or in KaneColle and Touhou cases, buy the games.
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>>101294594
Aren't his lungs basically made entirely from tar at this point?
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>>101304820
I don't know why you're dragging the music industry into this to be honest tho.
This is the best period to be a music enthusiast in history, publishers have zero power over small indie artists, i can go on bandcamp at any moment and buy a metric shit ton of tracks and/or albums by artists that cater to the specific genre i like, a lot of artists give their stuff absolutely for free just to gain some rep, it's awesome.
If the anime and video game industry gained 1/4 of the freedom the music industry has right it would be the best thing ever, there's so much music and so many different subgenres of music the market is completely saturated with noise.
It's not the same situation at all, they didn't lose their soul and passion in the process, in fact small, passionate musicians have more tools to make good albums now than they had before.
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>>101303664
Most of those are awful.
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>>101304820
a yearning for acceptance by wider society is definitely harming the quality of video games; "cinematic" garbage is a direct result of this. anime seems to be suffering from the reverse, where it's being choked by an ever-inward looking appeal to a hard core of frankly deeply emotionally unhealthy japanese people. great art can only arise when the focus isn't some extremum of demographic targetting, but on the content for its own sake.
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>>101298044
>ANN
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>>101305122
Well, I was thinking miku at the beginning of the example, and I do agree with you about the music industry and a need for freedom.

I was just trying to explain the mechanics being implemented. The reason it feels that way is because the new business model loans the image of whatever out to the fanbase, which then slaps the character into the latest meme or joke or whatever, no exception, till every character has done it and the concept of individualism boils away for a cookie cutter stamp. For instance the backstreetsback MMD is available in pretty much every flavor of cast and character you can imagine, and thus isn't very unique or original or "soulful", because the business model allows that. Headcanon is now canon and anything can be everything and everything is anything you want.
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There are still people who can create something great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge18Ieyi9bI

Not everything is just MMD, MAD and similar crap.
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>>101305751
>Headcanon is now canon and anything can be everything and everything is anything you want.
Oh yeah this is another thing i'm starting to notice, i don't remember this happening that often in the past.
And i'm talking even in the official works themselves, if there's a couple that most fans consider headcanon, the creators are starting to make those couples actually canon.
So i'm left thinking "Is this really what they originally intended? Or are they just pandering the fanbase because they saw all that fanart online?".
It's like i can't even trust them anymore, i don't understand what was the original vision for their work and what is the result of corporate pressure/caving in to the fans, the line is blurring too much.
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>>101301534
>My memory is fuzzy, but I don't recall anything particular about it that indicated modern and old are that distinct from each other.
The biggest different is how they actually need to put in more effort for their hobbies. There were no internet. You cant just download this and watch in 1mins.
The MC actually only got into otaku culture after he started to hangout with his newfound otaku friends. If you actually did watch it, PVC figs didnt even exist back then. They needed to build their own GKs. Current generation has it easy and has much more access and much more materials to consume from.
I am not implying that new stuff is shit because that is hardly the case but I believe old otakus are just bitter toward the current generational shift.
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>>101306224
>PVC figs didnt even exist back then
I've been thinking about this.
My sister bf wanted to create his own figure of a video game character, i saw him buy some stuff to make his own models, and then he made a basic framework and shaped the figure on it.
He started detailing it and shit, using a single image as reference, he has no previous experience with it yet it's turning out so well.
It really made me question why do hell do i buy this overpriced, premade junk if i can make a model by myself and it's not even that hard, where the hell is my passion.
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>was born in the middle of world war two, grows up through American occupation of Japan
>influenced by experiences in his childhood as well as french art comics like Herge and Moebius
>work hard to express himself creatively as well as possible, and ends up creating one of the greatest animation studios of all time as well as a handful of classic films on top of it
>everybody else just sits around working on shit
He worked hard for his position. He grew his reputation from Sherlock Hound and Lupin III up to today. He's just disappointed in everybody else for not taking risks, like he had to to become who he is.



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