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2014 marks the birth of Archer.
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who?
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>>101281547
Your serious right
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>>101280794
>it took Shirou a decade to deveplop a decent hairstyle
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taking this out of the way
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Friendly reminder that Archer has spent the last 10 years saving people and stopping wars. And that he got his tan in Fukushima.
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I am the boner in my pants
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>>101281659
You can't rush perfection.
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Currently reading through UBW.
Why is literally everything about Archer so based?
Right down to the description of the swords.
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>>101281805
He's Wizard Batman Jesus, that's why.
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>>101281811
>>101280794
But why does his jaw appear greater at 25 and the height of his power, compared to when he's Heroic Spirit?
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>>101281805
He's best male TM.
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>>101281785
Zip your pants up while you read, bro.
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This still counts right?
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It was said he died at some point in his late twenties or thirties

Apparently he's still alive as of 2030 however, but that just might be sliding time-line simply for the sake of his ending. The time-line on this is all up in the air in the first place so they can keep working shit in there.
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>>101281872
Higher bodyfat percentage. He reached his full potential and then went out into war torn hellholes where food wasn't as readily available.

Or, the artist just made a slight error, who knows?
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>>101282002
It might just even be the angle or something, too.
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I'd like some more material on how Archer met Ciel and got his shroud.

>Possible Malicious Code embedded in image
Moot hates Ciel, huh?
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>>101282194
>archer is lancer's wingman
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>Fate/Children manga adaption never
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I hope we get some red scarf Shirou flashbacks in the new anime.
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For the record, in Phantasy Star Portable 2 for the PSP, you can get Archer's outfit, and Kansho and Bakuya weapons. You can also get Saber's outfit and Excalibur; which has the Invisible Air effect on normal attacks and shows its true form for special moves. The costumes come in a variety of colours too.
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>>101282271
I always enjoyed watching those two together, they're like oil and water.
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Why was the F/SN anime so fucking shit?
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>>101282358
How can you be so slow.
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>>101282358
There's also one for the newest Phantasy Star Online game and Monster Hunter. Though the PSP2 one is easy to get since it's just a freely available code.
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>>101282402
Because it was just DEEN trying to cash in on a popular franchise without actually caring about the program itself, get with the program here.
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>>101282441
I dont use the PSP much that I got from my friend for free after he upgraded to PSV. The only games I've bought for it myself are FFI and FFT, so it's not like I got PSP2 on release or paid attention to it.

That's cool though. Why so much Archer in Phantasy Star?
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>>101282575
I can only assume the folks at TM are fans of the series.
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>>101282732
I haven't played this game but he so knows more than he's letting on by all these screens
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>>101282644
Only Rin is allowed to flip Archer's skirt.
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>>101282002
Do you think he became more or less attractive after becoming a heroic spirit?
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What about Saber?
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>>101282788
It's confirmed by Nasu that he literally is FSN Archer, which means the fifth war already happened for him and all. He's pretty taken back by this completely different grail war, but for his masters sake he's trying to take it seriously at least. You often catch him in the game referencing something from the main games during idle conversations.

He does meet one of Saber's old friends as well in the game
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>>101282940
Meant for
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>>101282845
Less attractive, because his smile is a miracle of the universe, and he was never happy again after his death.
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>>101282845
Going by that, after. I love the tan.
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>>101282940
Don't make that sort of expression and be happy that Heroic Spirits don't fart, Archer.
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>>101282940
She's not allowed to, but there's not much Archer can do if Saber gets grabby ;_;
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>>101283016
It's a shame that he got his tan after the white hair, regular Shirou with a tan looks great.
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>>101282997
Yeah, that's Gawain right?
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>>101283104
I know, absolutely delicious.
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It's well known that the tsundere's natural weakness is a direct attack
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>>101283263
Head on, no retreat, hit him till he gives in!
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Unintentionally gay moments
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>>101281937
Nope, different Shirou.
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Year of the Taiga hijack!
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>>101283419
I just straight up call him Amakusa.
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>>101283263
That doesn't look like Extra. Is that CCC, or something else?
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>>101283406
Theres just homosexual undertones
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>>101283480
That outfit is only in one of the games, it shouldn't be that difficult to know which one the pic is from.
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>>101283406
Nothing wrong with a little hom->>101283451 NOPE
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>>101283465
Taiga is love, Taiga is life.
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>>101283538
Most of the heroic spirits are bisexual master race, nothing new here.
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>>101283480
CCC fan translation and edited pics. Here's a previous one from the same convo.
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>>101283451
Who's the old fag?
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>>101283616
That's Bad Vlad.
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>>101283578
That and the whole "gar" thing. In FHA Shirou has a momentary tsundere moment toward Lancer for example.
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>>101283616
Nasu's rendition of Vlad Tepes

It's less classy count than Urobuchi's take, and more religious zealot blood knight.
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I wish he didn't get that huge growth spurt so as a heroic spirit he was still self-conscious about being a manlet. That would have been funny.
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>>101283591
Poor FeMC, those options are terrible. Only good looking ones are Archer and Julius (and Shinji if you're a pedo).
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>>101283691
I should've known with the impaling
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>>101283591
What does he say if you pick Shinji? Gato?
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>>101283451
I loved that fight. Vlad was pretty cool for a madman, and he had some kickass armor.
His master though...That bitch gives me the willies. First master I didn't feel bad for killing.
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Get your heart ready
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>>101283860
She's hot as fuck without the makeup, though.
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>>101283880
>cum from Saber's magic dick
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>>101283826
Didn't see them. I saved those two originally back when CCC came out and they were all individual images.
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Slav Saber?
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>>101280738
From the tips of his finger to his shoulder...his entire left arm looks retarded.

Can't into anatomy.
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I'm about to start Extra with archer but, much as I like him, I'd rather be comrades in arms than homo. Am I going to have to choose feMC to avoid that?
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>>101283944
When does she not have makeup on? Pics?
Either way though, I'm not gonna stick my dick in something that's liable to eat it.
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>>101284095
There isn't much homo, just that one last scene in the last week that could be interpreted as homo.

Mostly he just acts like a douchebag older brother whose still looking out for you. He's noticeably softer on the femc with his snides, too.
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>>101284095
Closest you can get with that is MC actually, he's not going to date with you either way but he's far more blunt with you as MC. With FeMC he's somewhere in the questionable territory, but with MC he's just "Hey, I'm just going to come out and say it but that was a dick move there".
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>>101284095
I don't think it's supposed to be homolust. Japs just have a different standard for what's gay shit and what's not. It makes it a little more palatable if you keep that in mind.
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Alright then.
>More snide and blunt to MC
I'd actually prefer that, for some reason.
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>>101284319
Yeah, his comments are his way of showing that he cares, the mc/femc notes in one early conversation.
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>>101284063
>"Can I use Holy Grail comrade Saber?"
>"No, is also bomb."
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>>101283865
Yep, just hit em' in the face full force with your feelings. Being unable to really do that themselves, they don't know how to deal with it. Flustered tsunderes are so cute.
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>>101284319
Because that's the best personality that a servant can have. He never goes out of his way to be insulting unless he really hates you. He's just honest.
Also it's closer to the way he acted in SN.
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>>101284585
>Because that's the best personality that a servant can have
I dunno, Caster nearly gave me a heart attack several times...
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>>101284644
Why are they playing footsie?
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>>101284666
Nothing strange here, no sir.
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>>101282845
I get the idea of Shirou being a "practical hero", but I still think it's ridiculous for someone with an Origin of "swords" to use a gun.
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>>101284697
I'm talking in terms of practicality. If you really want the Holy Grail, you want a servant who's loyal and will follow your orders, but isn't afraid to tell you when he disagrees with them. Fifth way is the exception because his objective is to kill Shirou no matter what.
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>>101284761
The class skill of "Tsundere" that is innate to Archers extends to Gil in the presence of Fakers.
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>>101280738
>2014
>Fate setting is 2005
>Shirou is 17
>Shirou is reported to have died at around 28 years of age
>17 + 11 = 28
>2005 + 11 years = 2016

Try again, kid.
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>Fate/Extra CCC will never be translated

I just finished Extra, too, this feels bad
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>>101284883
I'm sure he used both. He probably busted out UBW a few times too.
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>>101284883
Why doesn't he just make a gun that shoots swords
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>>101284644
It's always bothers me that artist made him way too black on this picture.
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It's to mislead his enemies
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>>101284666
Shit, I thought that one looked unfamiliar. There's been a boatload of new Archer pics on pixiv since I last checked.

Nice!
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Is there a way to improve character portraits on Extra? 3D part of the game look good, but 2D part just look downright scary when I emulate it.
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>>101284883
Anyone can use a gun. Saves magic, too.
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>>101284883
Yes, because rushing towards a group of soldiers, using nothing but swords, while still human is a fucking genius plan.
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>>101285101
They look a bit better drawn in CCC, but it's still the same style overall.

Maybe they just weren't meant to be seen upscaled
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It's not like guns did shit against anything that required Archer to pull out Noble Phantasms for, but against humans it's pretty much a necessity.

He might need to scare off someone, pulling out a sword doesn't inspire the same flight instinct in people today as pulling a gun does.

Also, cheaper energy wise, less suspicious and fairly reliable.

>>101285043
Some artists make him almost charred in tone for some reason.
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>>101284883
Not as much as him being summoned as an Archer.
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>>101284883
It's good to conceal the type of magic he uses since the Church or Association tends to frown upon people revealing magic to the world. Also he can hit a target perfectly within 4 KM, so it fits him pretty well.
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>>101284746
Wait... is EMIYA a Demonbane then?
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>>101285234
Maybe. Still, my autism screams in protest every time I see this.
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I see a lot of translated shots of CCC, are they just edited screenshots? I don't mean to ask for spoonfeeding, but the google results for a translation project give quit a bit of results to skim through.
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>>101285185
Given the boost it gives him in relflexes and agility, I don't think blocking and deflecting small arms fire is impossible.

Also, stick Kanshou and Bakuya in front of him and he's got a pair of shields! Those things are so insanely wide, they're like frying pans.
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>>101285336
Err, you lost me. Never played Demonbane, but here's a picture of them.
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>>101285283
Don't forget that actually activating a Reality Marble is a VERY good way to get slapped with a sealing designation by that very night. The lords are fucking terrified of that magic.

They don't know how to do it, and if someone lands a powerful one (like UBW) they could fight a lord and win. Average joe blow magus doesn't stand a chance against Barthomeloi and the like, she and the others want it to stay that way.
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>>101285418
Well those certainly are edited screenshots. Thanks for the answer. I hope to be able to play it.
I really need to just man up and learn to read moon
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>>101284957
We just need to have this thread again in two years.
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>>101285437
Emiya is a selfless hero of justice and all that, and apparently all you need to do to become one of the most powerful beings in fiction, a Demonbane, is to fight for justice like that.

It's a bit of a disappointing concept because then looking into crossovers like that then there's way too many Demonbanes for it to be special at all
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>>101285583
I'll see you all in two years, then.
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>>101285357
>Given the boost it gives him in relflexes and agility, I don't think blocking and deflecting small arms fire is impossible.
Tale a minute to think about what you're implying anon. A bullet moves too fast to see. A soldier is probably going to be carrying an automatic or burst-fire rifle. Odds are there's a squad of soldiers, each holding said rifles. You'd have to be moving so fast the most people could see is a blur to dodge or block them all. Archer, while fast, is not fucking sonic the hedgehog. And even if he were that fast, it makes much more sense to just use a damn gun.
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>>101285689
*take*
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>>101285639
Well he admits that it's an addiction, so it is kind of selfish.

Though that matter is so twisted even Archer himself just rather not talk about it.
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>>101282619
He should have said he fucked his king in a previous war...
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>>101285689
/k/ pls, producing swords out of thin air also doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Besides, guns are boring, sword fights are a lot more cathartic.
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>>101285791
Archer does not use crude humor
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>>101285689
Given that servants are that fast and Shirou could match Gil somewhat, individual bullets should be possible for him to react to.

I mean, Shirou in fate pulls of headshots against Berserker with a bow, tracking fast moving objects and predicting their path is something he can do pretty well.

But yeah, a squadron of soldiers wouldn't be too smart.
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>>101285852
>guns are boring

Shit taste detected.
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Couldn't he just, y'know, hide behind Roh Ahis and launch Caladbolg or Hrunting at them by peaking over the side of it with is bow?
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>>101285791
No. Archer is a pure wizard.
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>>101285852
>Look at this magus, look at him and laugh for wanting showy fights
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>>101285689
Kotomine could almost react on that level in FZ, the swords that Archer uses also boost his ability up considerably.

Also, given how he's concentrating on projection and reinforcement, wouldn't he just reinforce his clothes to be impact resistant like Kotomine's frock was?
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>>101285872
Using magic swords would attract attention. It's the last thing he wants to do.
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>>101285948
Ducking behind cover and sometimes firing your weapon is better than going toe to toe with your opponent and defeating him with your own strength and wits how?
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>>101285872
Exactly. He could take on a couple of handguns no problem, but a ton of automatic rifles is an entirely different story. But even then, a gun would probably be more efficient. At the very least, he probably did a little bit of sneaking around in his profession, so he probably used Kanshou and Bakuya then since they're quieter.
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>>101285928
Or just stand a few miles away and snipe down any hostiles and avoid a short range firefight and all the chaos that it entails.

Or better yet, avoid them altogether and not have to kill them.
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Nasu says himself that Archer is a pragmatist who only seeks the best path to victory.

When you're confronting a dozen armed men with guns the best path is hardly ever "Rush them with twin swords". Even if you can beat them you'll still attract a stupid amount of attention while doing it.
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>>101285852
Don't knock a good gunfight. There's maneuvering, the tense moments when you break from cover exposing yourself to the potential of perforation.

Grenades, to force you out of cover or be blown to bits, but then it's right back to maybe getting an extra asshole.

Suppressive fire, to keep their head fucking down while dwindling away their cover bit by bit as those bullets just keep getting closer and closer.

And then there's the terror of realizing he got a clear LoS on you, meaning you best DODGE or find new cover really fucking fast or you will become Swiss Cheese.

It's a different kind of catharsis and tension, a different kind of mind game. I like both swordfights and gunfights, in fact I love them, because if they're good it's all kinds of awesome.
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I always imagined Archer as Rogue/Thief type character. He's good at sneaking around, backstabbing and surprise attacks.

He probably did a lot of Sam Fisher style stealth infiltrations, where he ghosted through entire compounds. Structural Analysis on a building should give him the entire building blueprint along with all info on cameras, sensors, electrical wiring, open windows etc.
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>>101286302
I've heard that a better idea of what the "Archer" class is would be "Ranger". Hence the Independent Action ability.
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>>101285437
Someone mind explaining what a demonbane is exactly?
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>>101286370
A machine whose sole purpose is to shit on any and all powerlevel arguments that may arise without fail.
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>>101285418
Any context for this scene?
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>>101286357
Archer multiclasses into everything.
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>>101286370
Any hero of JUSTICE can be classified as a Demonbane and summoned to fight evil in parallel universes.
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>>101286019
Not "could almost". His reflexes were at a level where he DID see, predict, and act in accordance to dodge or block bullets. It's why Maiya couldn't deal with him.
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>>101286248
The best gun fu fight you'll ever see took place in Madoka: Rebellion Story.
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I imagine that Archer could buy an old ass knife in some fleamarket, read its history and pull out the tactics it's owner knew.

Like he scoured around for knives of previous SAS or other special ops guys.

Then he'd read the past on them and use it like a textbook to figure out shit.
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Someone has the comic where Meltlilith calls him a ex-eroge protagonist, the FeMC calls him that way too and the MC offers her Gilgamesh as a servant as he already has Tamamo and Saber until he's dragged to the darkness of E luck with Lancer?
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>>101285437
>... Nanoha
>Archer
>Saber
>Most-definitely Enuma Elish, so Gil's there somewhere
>Nono
>Ultimate Madoka
>Who I assume is Rider/Medusa and Berserker/Heracles next to Nono

These are supposed to represent "Demonbane"? Also that artist loves light gloss way too fucking much.
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>>101286596
Well yeah, but he wasn't doing the *unsheathes katana, dudes firing guns fall as blood spurts* thing that anime often uses, which I think the anon was saying Archer couldn't do.
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>>101286487
End of every route that isn't the true route. CCC takes place in the middle of Extra as BB pulls everyone to the far side of the Moon to save their lives in cyber heaven, but one of the contestants manipulates BB's programing so she goes reverse and seeks to destroy the ones she originally tried to save no matter how she goes against it, Nurse and BB are the same as they're two AI in charge of watching the maintenance of the Mooncell, the person who warped BB also caused Nurse to breakdown and inadvertaintly become more human so she became at the mercy of feelings she wasn't supposed to have like love, she ended up doing crazy shit like time-loops but eventually realized this wasn't good so she took all her human emotions she just discovered and moved them over to BB since she couldn't comprehend such a human thing, this is why BB took everyone to the far side since she's now entirely love that was later switched to hate, anyway the ending involves BB being killed by you as you learn far too late that she was only being controlled, and Nurse in order to set everything back to the origin and undo the damage has to delete her human emotions and basically the soul she's developed which MC laments briefly. The story is heavily "A robot who suddenly becomes human, what happens when these confusing emotions take hold of the one who once had nothing." as two fake humans discover love together. MC is the other fake human who identifies with the AI, since he's nothing but a cyber ghost that holds no connection to his body to begin with

Left out a lot of shit, but it's kind of all in there.
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>>101286248
Yeah, but in fiction all that goes out the window because you know nobody is getting hit until the story requires them to do so.
It's kind of the same with melee weapons, but at least you see the two contenders looking at each other in the eye, knowing that everything that stands between them and certain death is their blade and their skill to use it, is a lot more intense and personal. For instance, in the 19th century many battles where won because one side charged the other with their sabres and lances and hacked away at them. Humans feel safer when away from their enemy and often panic when they have to confront them, fighting with a sword,lance or whatever means overcoming this primal fear, and this is what makes it a lot more cathartic in my opinion.
Anyway, I liked your post so have some nice looking swords.
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>>101286783
Like I said, I never read Demonbane, I just saved that pic because it had Archer and Saber.
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>>101283406
this is pure brohood.
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So /a/, who would you say is the more badass operator; Kiritsugu, or Archer? I'm not saying "Who would win in a fight?", I'm saying "Who can get get rid of that enemy base the fastest and most efficiently?"
On one hand, you've got Archer, who can create swords and shoot like a pro, and on another hand, you've got Kiritsugu, who'd be more likely to blow it the fuck up than fight them all, though he could if he had to.
What do you think /a/?
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>You will never be a servant
>You will never have a qt master
I just wanna live the dream
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>>101286783

Demonbane is the giant robot.

More specifically, "Demonbane" in the Demonbane universe is a title that can be applied to beings across the universe, showing that they will answer the call of the Elder God Demonbane, omnipotent incarnation of justice, hope, rage, et al.
A Demonbane generally fights for Justice or Hope, but considering there was a "Demonbane who is evil" summoned by Demonbane Athleta Aeternum in addition to all the Demonbanes without possibility, it's highly likely that "Demonbane" can refer to literally anything except the Outer Gods.
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>>101287763
>You will never be a servant
How about getting out their and doing something heroic first. Archer says it's not that hard.
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>>101287710
Kiritsugu will get it done faster, because he won't hesitate to just blow them up as a first move while Archer despite everything is still a bit kind underneath it all so he'll only kill the few to save the many once he knows there's no other choice.

Still Archer won't hesitate too much in some moments, like that time he shot down a plane full of people infected with a virus as they all worked together with the uninfected to try making it to land in time so that at least some of them could be saved. He laments himself for that rather heavily since he still couldn't allow himself to take that chance despite how beautiful their last moments were. Like father like son at times after all.
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>>101287982
Despair is shooting down that plane.
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>>101287710
>>101287982
In terms of "fastest and most efficiently", Kiritsugu doesn't have anything on the level of Caladbolg II for bunker busting.
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>>101287903
I'm a manlet and unfit
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>>101287903
I served your mom last night. Served her some cock!
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>>101288387
That's great, anon. Chicken meat is very healthy and delicious.
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>>101288338
You can become a midget Hassan or a magical fox waifu
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>>101288338
Not being worth shit in a fight never stopped Shakespeare from becoming a Heroic Spirit.
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>>101288483
You forgot your pic
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>>101288525
Nips surely loves blindfold Archer and furry Lancer
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>>101288525
I'm actually Shirou's height. I lack skill with weapons and I'm not very creative. My skills would be lackluster
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>>101286946
I don't know, a close quarters gun fight, say at a distance between 10 to 30 meters where it's easy to make quips and shit as you reload or ready a grenade can be pretty personal as well.

And in the end, when you get LoS, you will see the enemy, he'll look you in the eye and realize he's out of bullets and you ain't. That look on your face that says "I win" and the look on his going "Oh SHIT!" or with a calm resignation to his fate as you pull the trigger and blow his brains out. Thanking God that you were faster and smarter than he was, because one wrong move, and that would've been you over there minus a good portion of your grey matter.
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>>101288724
Shirou copied all his weapons for the most part, don't need to be creative
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>>101288715
>Furry Lancer

Why did they do this ?

He was supposed to be a borderline eldritch abomination but instead they made him a godamn furry
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WERE'S MY FATE, UFOTABLE
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>>101288736

Nowhere near as personal as matching your power with theirs, your agility with every clash and clang, and at the end running them through, and hearing their last words as they die upon your blade, watching them die face-to-face.
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>>101288724
>I lack skill with weapons
Get a gun and practice. By a tazer and some pepper spray. Become Batman archer.
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>>101288935
Prima Illya is magical girl manga. Don't expect anything serious from it
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>>101288935
Do you also complain about King Arthur being a girl?
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>>101288935

It's not his Riastrad. He's still Lancer, not Berserker.
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Question: At the end of Unlimited Blade Works, was Archer the one who projected Rho Aius? It was a 7 petals shield after all, only Archer can do that. Even HF's Shirou can only project a 4 petals shield.
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>>101287710
Kiritsugu is the more level headed, who plans out more and uses more normal stuff. He had a plan and if that failed he'd pull back and go back to the drawing board.

Archer used his tools and skills with equal tactical skill, but he was better at winging it and switching tactics on the fly. I prefer Archer, since I read FSN waaaay before FZ.
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>>101289086
Like I said earlier a gunfight and a swordfight elicit different forms of tension but the emotions are very much still there.

Gun fights are more cerebral, in the end you're trying to out-think the enemy instead of overpower him.
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>>101289206
Archer projected it once to stop EA, and Shirou projected it the second time
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>>101288935
I'm disappointed too. I'd have loved to see how they try to do Cuchulain's war-spasms.
>One eye sunk in
>The other practically hanging out
>Knees bent backwards
>Only way to turn him back is fluster him with naked women or poor cold water on him.
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>>101289206

Archer did it the first time, Shirou did it the second time after tracing Archer's Rho Aias.

It's kind of disturbing how automated that was because Shirou did not even acknowledge what he was looking at with the first Rho Aias. He just waved it off as, "Eh, something saved me, whatever".
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>>101289281
*pour*
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>>101289206
Archer did it first, blocking the worst of the Ea blast. Shirou used his own when he used UBW.

I think the fourpetal version is just used for the sake of prana efficiency.
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>>101289286
I think it was more like his subconscious at work. "Protection, I need the strongest protection in this world."
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Isn't it stated somewhere people who use guns can't be servants because anyone can use a gun?
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>>101289335
Four leaf version is all Shirou is capable at present

It's the version he uses in UBW, HF, and Ataraxia.
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>>101289452
He went seven petals against Gil.
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>>101289428

Not "can't" but "it's very difficult". It's because the gun does all the work and you're just an aimer.
With a sword, a sword can't do any work without your personal power behind it in addition to the aiming.

Basically a rubber band can do anything you can with a gun so long as the gun is in the right position beforehand. The equivalent with a melee weapon is if people kept falling on your sword.

Guns are all a matter of right place+right time and sometimes right bullet. Not that a gunslinger hero is impossible, but generally improbable.
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>>101289452
It actually depends onhow proficient he is with UBW.

In UBW the route, he's been siphoning off Archer's abilities the whole time so when he does Rho Aias, its the full 7 petals. HF is Shirou trying to crib off Rho Aias by using Archer's arm. Dunno about HA though.
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>>101289243
>he thinks a melee fight is any more trying to overpower the enemy than out smart

Just kill the guy already
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>>101289565
It's still a bullshit excuse, considering it actually takes skill to do all that.
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>>101289452
Seven against Gil.
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>>101289428
Not by using said gun. Or, it would be exceedingly difficult, even more so than becoming a Heroic Spirit normally.
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>>101289586
Damn, you are right. Archer even said it, and that was how they were able to share memories.
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>>101289706

It takes knowledge of positioning and good reflexes. It takes no strength or speed (beyond twitchy agility) at all. Anyone else with the same reflexes and knowledge will be as good as you.

Remember that to be a hero you need to need to go wildly beyond the norm. For every Knight of the Round Table, there were 10,000 british troops with swords that nobody remembers.
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>>101289706
It take skill to shoot, but more to swordfight. Now, if you had a gunslinger guy who would curving and bouncing magically enhanced bullets and going full gunkata? Surely he'd become a HS. A Sniper? Standard militia-type man? Nah.
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>>101289706
Think of it likes this: All guns have a set damage. The snipers who racked in hundreds of kills in WW2 didn't have any special weapons.

Thus those guns would be pretty damn weak damage-wise compared to the stuff most heroes have. Bows scale with strength, physical attacks are generally imbued with mystical effects, but guns don't really become more effective with skill.

Sure, hit placement improves, but it's not like you can sink a battleship with a revolver, no matter how skilled you are.

Actually, a gun wielding heroic spirit could probably have to be able to do something like that...

Well, anyhow, look at Francis Drake. She used muskets and they did piss poor damage in F/E, to the point where someone with E endurance could tank her pretty easily.
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>>101283865
You seem to like posting that, so I went and translated the second one.
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>>101289706
Agreed. Guns are considerably easier to use than swords, but they still take some skill. Sure, any idiot with a pistol can hit something a few feet away, but what about 200 yards or more? That's when skill starts to come into it.

Hell, even at close range skill plays some part in it. I've met people who couldn't hit a target if it was three feet away and they had a bazooka, and at the same time I've met people who could probably hit a bullseye a mile away by kicking their shoe off at it.
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>>101289667
It's about what's going to matter more. Melee does involve a cerebral aspect in the form of feints and predicting what your enemy's next attack will be, but your overall level of physical power factors much more into the equation than it does in a gun fight.

In a gun fight the difference in physical power is less of a factor because you're not throwing the bullets. You really have to get inside their head and predict when he's going to pop his head out, when you're going to do it, when you're going to move and suppress, how much ammo do you have, how much do you think he has, ect. There's actually more to factor in in a gun fight than a sword fight when you get down to it. That's what I mean by more cerebral. It's a mind game as well as a fight.
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>>101286937
iaijutsu? Archer probably has a sword in his arsenal that can replicate the effect.
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>>101290088
>pleasing Luvia for money
he sunk so low
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>>101290352

Shirou's perfect for butlering though.
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>>101290295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB6XPMdzzpY&t=3m40s
"Foolishness, Shirou, FOOLISHNESS...!"
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>>101290410
Alt costume
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Actually, 2014 is probably the year of the grail turmoil.

F/SN most likely took place in 2004, so 10 years later is when Waver Velvet and Tohsaka disable the great grail together (Fate/UBW routes).
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Berserker here to say Knight of Honor is best ability
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>>101291093
>no butler costume
It's like they don't want all of my money.
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>>101282238
IS THAT ENGLISH CCC!??!?!?!??!?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!?!
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So when can the birth of Satsujinki occur?
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>>101291221
Actually the best ability is this

>Sphere Boundary (圏境, Kensakai?, localized as Concealment) is a meditatively-based technique by which, through utilization of Qi (one of the culturally-specific names of Od), one may perceive the exact conditions of the immediate environment, and make use of the resulting perception so as to adjust and minimize the noticeability and impact of one's existence.

>For those who have reached the pinnacle of this skill, it is possible to synchronize with the world to such an extent that the human figure is rendered naturally indiscernible; it could be said that this state of oneness is the purpose for the pursuit of the Sphere Boundary to begin with. Vitrification functions on a similar basis.

>Incidentally, this personal skill is attained purely through the mastery of the martial arts, and is therefore unrecognizable to those trained solely under the system of Magecraft -- being lacking in the telltale large-volume prana utilization that manifests in the use of Magecraft-based invisibility. As with the Tsubame Gaeshi attained by the Assassin of the 5th Heaven's Feel of Fuyuki, the Presence Elimination effectuated by the Sphere Boundary exceeds the domain of human capability.[9]

>According to the Fate / Extra Drama CD, as with the technique of Presence Concealment (気配遮断, kehai shadan?) utilized by the Hassan i Sabbah, elimination of presence drops in efficiency in the circumstance that the user initiates an attack or poises for an offensive -- even though invisibility is still effectively maintained. For this reason, opponents unfamiliar with the technique are still capable of 'just barely evading' a seemingly invisible attack, provided sufficient skill, talent, or experience. However, in the absence of any preparation for offensive action, a practitioner of the Sphere Boundary remains wholly indiscernible even on physical contact.
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>>101291418
Fate takes place like ten years after Tsuhime, so Shiki may very well be dead by that time.
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>>101291418
Year after Tsukihime so 2001
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>>101291433
I still can't wrap my head around the levels of broken that ability is.
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>>101291433
But what are you gonna do with that? Sure you might just outlast the other servants, but...?
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>>101291535
It basically makes him undetectable by anything even if he's standing right in front of you. It's only luck or intuition at best if you manage to avoid his strikes considering you can't comprehend his presence by any means.

It's something like Koishi's ability in Touhou

>>101291696
He's a guy who's absolutely undetectable, and he has a one hit kill move. Do the math when you put those two things together.
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>>101290088
You're a cool dude
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>>101291951
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>and is therefore unrecognizable to those trained solely under the system of Magecraft -- being lacking in the telltale large-volume prana utilization that manifests in the use of Magecraft-based invisibility

Most non caster servants would be able to recognise the ability right away.Hell even tohsaka could
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>>101287763
What kind of servant would you like to become? I think I'd like to be a Rider class.
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>>101292152
It's an ability that goes beyond what's humanly possible, doesn't use magecraft apparently, and very few servants are really trained in Qi.

Only someone who understands the concept of Qi could even take a guess that this is the truth of that ability, but even then they have to realize something impossible is still happening since he's trained that ability to a limit that breaks logic. At most a Caster could only assume "What, this isn't magecraft at all...".
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>>101292226
That doujin series is a complete wreck, but damn if it isn't fun watching Archer be evil.
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>>101290088
>mimicking Archer
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>>101292261
Would like to be: Saber
Could probably fit: Archer or Assassin.
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>>101291433
>Nasu copied the Umisenken

So what?
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>>101292261
I would probably be a Archer. I like the idea of having space between me and my enemy
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>>101291485
>10

You mean five.
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>>101292811
So, it's quite powerful. Especially when you make it so the user doesn't even have to try to conceal themselves to be concealed, and further when you add on an instant death move combo.
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>>101292811
It's a bit beyond that. The guy can stand right in front of you, and you just. can't. fucking. see him!

Li Shuwen was pretty awesome.
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>>101292936
It's powerful, but you're talking in naked circumstances. The perfect storm theorem. No writer is going to put in an unbeatable technique unless he's bored, new, or stupid. Nasu's none of the above.

To begin with, that's Li's technique, isn't it? Or am I misremembering what he used to replace Presence Concealment?
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>>101293022
that's what I mean.

The soul principal behind the Sea of 1000 fists is thieving the "house" undetected. Where the house is the body. Using it properly, you can't detect the person at all—no ki/qi, no killing intent, nothing. Practitioner can strike and retreat and strike again at leisure.

But the practitioner is Ranma & Genma, so of course they fuck it up by not having a grip on their emotions.

Li's technique is useful and powerful as hell, as are all Servant techniques. The flaw, however, is the user: Li. It's really less of a technique and more just another expression of his person. That's what makes it interesting to me.
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>>101293053
It's disabled if you can block his Chi entirely;, or maybe it's more you have to reroute his own chi back through him to sort of short circuit it. However it did make him untouchable until they coincidentally realized the source of his ability and were able to disable it. After all Rani/Rin thought the Qi blocking trap was the least likely to work in that scenario.
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>>101293253
>166cm
Kawaii as fuck.
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>>101293022
I always understood it as an alternative form of invisibility where you actually do see him but are completely unable to notice he's standing right in front of you.

Like the SEP field from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Everyone sees the Heart of Gold just fine, but invariably conclude "it's somebody else's problem" and simply ignores it.
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>>101293253
>After all Rani/Rin thought the Qi blocking trap was the least likely to work in that scenario.

They're magi. That can't be helped. Although Terrorist!Rin thinking that way is a bit troublesome.
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>>101291433
>Pinnacle of this skill
He's an A rank not EX, he's not entirely invisable
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>>101293594
That's what it should be, but Li broke it so hard he can just tapdance on someone's dick and they still can't see him.
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>>101293657
If I recall the technique is unrated in the game with a simple ( - )
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>>101293784
No, that was his Class Skill of Presence Concealment, I think.
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>>101293784
See
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>>101283616
Worse Vlad
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So I get why Archer hates Shirou, but I forgot why he hates Saber so much.
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>>101294937
Since when does Archer hate Saber, besides being miffed that she's in his way.
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>>101294937
Did Archer hate Saber? I don't remember that.
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>>101294815
Extra Vlad died in a less gay way, for one.
>>101294937
He doesn't hate Saber.
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>>101295035
>>101295052
>>101295061
I'm pretty sure that it was mentioned in Saber's route that Archer made it pretty obvious that he hated her. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't think I am.
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>>101295061
It wasn't vlad at that stage it was darnic, he ran to the grail because vlad was begining to take back control of his body killing darnic in the process.
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>>101292261
The only weapon I know how to use is a spear and my luck is pretty shit, so lancer
Then again I'm approaching wizardry so maybe Caster
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>>101294937
He doesn't hate Saber. He's just acting colder because they're enemies.

Rin even comments on how he seems to like her and thus is acting harsher toward her in UBW.
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>>101295336
>Shirou
>EVER hating Saber.
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>>101295457
It's nothing to be ashamed of. Yours is a noble profession
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>>101295336
He doesn't, he even gives her that whole "The one that saves you won't be me of this time-line, but someone will come for you" speech in UBW. He comments in Ataraxia how he's never forgotten his admiration towards her even after falling to degradation, Rin says he's rather transparent in the way he speaks to her that he knew her in life, and even Shirou says that there's no way he should have lost on the first strike after fending off Lancer when they first met unless he was just taken aback by someone he used to know like that.
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>>101295408
Huh, I thought Vlad died when Darnic possessed his body while crying "don't come inside me!"
Did you read it?
Is it really that bad?
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>>101295810
Would you mind terribly linking me to this artist, I can't seem to find these pics on pixiv and I'd like the whole set.
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>>101295810
>Darnic makes vlad go vamp mode
>Vlad is none to pleased with this and goes to kill darnic for this
>Darnic uses his remaining two command seals to command vlad to live, and to fuse his soul with Vlads
>Vladnic (as part of his vamp powers) starts makes a vampiric fog that drains the prauna from all the servants
>Jean is none too pleased with this as in a few minutes the remaining servants will be drained of all of their prauna.
>He uses command seals to make them (six or so of them) fight vladnic.
>Vladnic can turn into mist = immune to physical damage, half the servants can't use their NP's because they'd damage the rest (eg Karna).
>Vlad starts regaining control and he's none too pleased with the situation
>Darnic goes for the grail thinking that what little juice is in it will be enough to fully fuse himself and keep full control
>Shirou steps in whilst he's distracted

Arguably Vlad could have just fucked off and let his mist do the job for him, but because darnic was nearly being erased he risked a jump at the grail.

Fuck even minus vamp mode vlads a beast
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Why is Lancer a furry now?
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>>101296423
I don't know if it was the extra design or if it's supposed to be his warp spasm. Pretty dumb anyhow.
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>>101296423
Prism Ilya game

All Alter Servants tend to have different designs, and that's apparently his Altered Berserk form.

This is Alter Gilgamesh
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>>101296295
Would you expect anything less from the man? I mean fuck just look at his stats, he even gets a big boost if you control the local leylines. But alas, he's a lancer, lancer's never win.
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>>101296633
This is also Alter Gilgamesh
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>>101296295
Thanks. That's quite impressive.

>>101296588
Because dog
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>>101296663
I hoped, was that so wrong ?

I mean the lad has D rank luck, and before he went onto the gardens of babylon he had B luck. B fucking luck Lancer man
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>>101296722
>No Fluffy Tail

They can't even get THAT right?

What's the point of having a servant with animal themes if they don't even have a fluffy tail?
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>>101296798
He has fluffy hair-tail
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>>101296759
With B's and A's in everything else, with a power boost from local leylines he'd have A or higher everything. Just lure em' into that fortress of impalement and good night most any other servant.
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Can someone explain to me the relationship between:

Kiritsugu's philosophy, shirou's (hf I guess) philosophy and Archer's philosophy? I get the impression that Archer is supposed to be the incarnation of the fulfillment of Kiritsugu's ideals through Shirou or something? But maybe that's wrong I have no idea.
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>>101296722
Apocs full of OPness.

Semiramis can manifest cannons that fire our EX rank magic blasts once her NP is activated(she also gets a fame boost whilst on it).

Avicebron and Adam would just be plain broken if Astolfo wasn't there
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>>101296938
He gets a stat boost equivilent to and A rank madness enchant by using Demonic defender of the state.

He also gets another rank up from the fame boost, so he's at A - A++ in everything except luck.

Not to mention that he can use Kaziliki Bey to manifest the stakes inside his opponents body.
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>>101297019
>Semiramis can manifest cannons that fire our EX rank magic blasts once her NP is activated(she also gets a fame boost whilst on it).

What the fuck, that doesn't sound assassin-y
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>>101297161
Rank Up don't mean a multiplier, last I checked.
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>>101297223
She's a weird Dual summon, she can manifest both her skills as an Assassin class and as a Caster class.
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>>101297242
It kind of does, otherwise his A agility would go straight to EX
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>>101297313
How does dual summon even work? How does one put a spirit into two containers at once?
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>>101296997
Kiritsugu killed the few to save the many, however this ideal was ultimately broken and shown the fault in it by Angya as he learned by just dealing out justice to the few will not always work out so well. However even then he rebels and sticks to his ideals in order to not let the devil be born.

When Kiritsugu was a child he wished to be a hero that protected everyone though, but upon everyone in his village getting killed that dream broke just a bit. archer is a Shirou who went along with the idea of saving everyone, but just like Kiritsugu he eventually realized there are situations where you're forced to sacrifice others to save the majority. It's a shame and even he can't consider himself a hero because of what he has done, but there will always be a situation that will try to break that ideal since it's not something that can survive when confronted with reality. Archer died thinking he could at least make a difference in death since he never did anything in life, but all he was met with in death was regret and despair.

HF Shirou was confronted early on with a choice that broke his ideals, he was confronted with a cold reality that would shatter his delusions either way by denying any possibility of saving everyone. In the end he chose to betray but still try to protect everyone with the same move, even if he knew he would be judged for such a thing. Kotomine finds empathy with HF Shirou since they're both men who tried to have it both ways despite being broken since birth, even if it wasn't possible to find what they sought. HF Shirou tried putting a priority on things, even if he couldn't save everyone he could at least save her, while the other two ideals could not allow something like priority. HF is kind of what someone like Kiritsugu would break about, but never actually be able to do. To try saving his mother even if it meant risking others, to try saving his wife, or to pick his child; he can't do that, instead he must choose the majority
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>>101296997
Kerry - Sacrifice anything, numbers mean everything, wants to save whole world

Archer - Willing to sacrifice a few to save the many though not as readily willing to do so when it comes to people he cares about, usually went by the numbers though always tried to save everyone, didn't care about the whole world but since more conflicts always came into his view his job never ended.

HF Shirou - Wants to help people but places Sakura foremost(won't travel world as a hero), People close to him mean more than strangers, ??? Future uncertain.
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>>101297404
Her stat sheets won't be out till the last volume (which rumor has it is going to be the same length as the first three put together)
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>>101297450
>HF is kind of what someone like Kiritsugu would break about,

HF is kind of what someone like Kiritsugu would dream about,*
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>>101297375
EX isn't the rank following A, either. F/E stats aren't how it works.
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Was Archer capable of UBW before he became a Counter Guardian?
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>>101297450
The Plank of Carnaedes situations don't break Kerry or Shirou. The grail not being able to help Kerry and infact being the exact opposite of what he'd sought along with causing the fire broke Kerry.

Shirou broke with the fact that he cared about Sakura too much to simply accept the situation, especially since he'd already made a promise to protect her.
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>>101297469
It's said that Sakura has no intentions of sitting still in the future now that she's free, and Shirou can use his RM if he keeps practicing. So it doesn't sound like they're inclined to just sit around the house in life just yet. Sakura for the time being has even taken over position as supervisor of Fuyuki while Rin is away in London, and seems to get along well with the new comer from the Church. Although if I recall they mentioned it was some old guy in HF, but we know it's Karen in Ataraxia.

Sounds like they've still got some adventures ahead of them.
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>>101297522
+Modifiers are a temporary doubling of a stat.

What im saying is that vlads would be equivalent to A - A++ always active
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>>101297697
No, no no fuck off. I'm not going to talk about Sakura. Fuck off.

>>101297581
Never stated. He should have been.
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>>101297729
That's what I'm arguing against, Rank Ups don't necessarily mean a multiplier. A rank up is 10, a multiplier could range from 10 to 50.
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>>101280738
Doesn't Archer get the shittest ending in every single route?

No matter what happens he is still going through the cycle of having to watch humanity at its lowest. Even in UBW he will forget about the fact that he accepted his past self. Even characters who die get a better ending than him, as at least they are free from any pain, whereas Archer has to live through it for the rest of eternity.
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>>101297837
He's Wizard Batman Jesus. Died for our sins and is fighting against the apocalypses around the world.
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>>101297835
A rank up from A to Ex is God knows how much tho.If you want to get caught up on the words themselves then a rank up from A is EX.
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>>101298103
No.

EX isn't an rank with numbers. It's on a scale of 0 to 100 a potato.
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>>101297581
Yes, any usage of Magecraft by Shirou is just a usage of his latent reality marble, and you can be sure that in ten to twenty years he figured out a few things about himself rather than it being entirely postmortem.
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>>101298180
Then the next rank after A is potato, so Vlads Agi rank should be whatevers after potato rather than A++
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>>101297581
Given that Shirou in Fate does it, I don't see why not.

>Q: In Saber Route, Shirou did not encounter Archer's Reality Marble "Unlimited Blade Works" and certainly did not learn it. If he were to train and attempt to develop it by himself, how long would it take?
>A: Ten years to master the basics, another ten years to become proficient at it.... something like that.
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>>101298304
Doesn't work quite like that. Stop using Extra stats.
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>>101298180
Where's your proof of this assertion? You can wish that EX means potato all you want, but unless it's stated in the databooks somewhere that it can be lower than E but far higher than A++++, while being outside of the scale itself then it's a bit of a loose point you're trying to make with no basis.

Meanwhile on this chart we clearly see EX is on the chart but is beyond the chart so it can no longer be ranked properly. >>101297522

Which implies it's on the same graph but it goes beyond it so that it can no longer be fully ranked. It's easy to say "No, you don't know what you're talking about" but what is the basis here?
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>>101298447
The basis that the abilities don't have rank-able potential to measure them by.

Rider's Reality Marble summoning an entire army of heroic spirits, Avalon's ability to tank everything by not existing, Ea bluescreening reality.

That's not A++++++++, that's completely out of the ballpark and around the bend.
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>>101298422
Your agruing that a rank increase is equal to 10 when the scale doesn't work that way
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>>101298447
We can also take a look at any instance of EX we've seen so far in the story and judge that it means "Better than A by far"; while the idea that "No, it can't be measured on the same scale" still needs some ground to stand on.
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>>101298628
Pardon?
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A set of rules for representing the rank of a particular status. They range from A~E. EX is in a league of its own, representing powerful to the extent of rendering comparisons meaningless. If we assign numbers to ranks, then E=10, with each subsequent rank increasing by +10. Ranks with “+” such as A+ and B+ can momentarily multiply its associated numerical value. For instance, C+(30) can temporarily boost its power to 60, exceeding Rank A (50). Also, “++” represents multiply by three times.
straight from the wiki
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>>101298819
The wiki isn't very reliable when half of the editors can't read moonrunes.
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>>101298880
fair enough plus Fate's rules aren't exactly set in stone per se...
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>>101298643
well EA is arguable from what we see. It's standard blast is bareley stronger than Excalibur, and Rho Aius manages to absorb nearly all of a blast.

Arguably its anti reality effect is just a weaker reality marble except rather than creating somthing stronger than the earths marble it creates one equal which cancels it out. Destructive interference and all that.
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>>101298978
plus EA gets boosts from random shit in his treasury and magic gets added in randomly too
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>>101298930
It's possible that Nasu just likes jerking everyone around.
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>>101298809
The scale doesn't work that way.See that gap from A and EX.

As you said were not going by the Extra scale so the next rank after A is EX.
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>>101298978
>Rho Aius manages to absorb nearly all of a blast.
Fuck hueg Archerfag interjecting here:

I don't think it was anywhere near a full blast, given that a B+ attack could shatter Rho Aias. I don't think Shirou could have tanked a full A rank NP's effects.
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>>101298978
He doesn't go all out with EA usually Gilgamesh is holding back in FS/N usually but in HA he uses it more powerfully
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>>101299080
It's not a gap you tool. A doesn't become EX simply through scale.

Hell, Ea is supposed to only be bit stronger than Excalibur yet it's EX while Excalibur is "only" A++, for one.
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>>101281992
I fucking love those games.
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>>101299244
Actually scratch that second line for now, I can't find a reliable source on the output being only a bit superior.
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>>101299408

[hide]Fate/side material - Encyclopedia: The Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth [Noble Phantasm], p.066
English | Japanese
The Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth [Noble Phantasm]
Enuma Elish
By compressing and accelerating wind pressure, it becomes a fake space-time dislocation that pulverizes any opposition. With an output power surpassing Saber's Excalibur, it is the "sword that cut the world apart". Strictly speaking, the Noble Phantasm is Ea, and Enuma Elish is the name of the attack at its highest power.

Digressing a little, this drill shaped-sword was modeled after a bedrock drill made to dig undersea tunnels. As far as drills go, it somehow looks like it was crossed with a spear, with multiple gears piled up to dig a gigantic hole. The three parts of the blade spin separately, as if it was eating bedrock little by little.
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>>101299244
>It's not a gap
Pardon ? have you seen this guys scale >>101298809
It's obviously over a hundred on the scale.

>Ea is supposed to only be bit stronger than Excalibur
Except Ea doesn't just have the blast, it also has the whole breaks down reality effect as well. Wereas excalibur, which is an A++ rank Np, only does a weaker blast and doesn't have the secondary function. Not to mention it doesn't get stronger the more shit one has.
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>>101299124
Gae Bolg has a very special power, it has the concept of "Will always hit" which conflicts with Rho Aias "Will always block thrown object" conceptual backing. People like to believe "Well It must not have the always hit ability when it's thrown then, that's the only way it makes sense", however nothing in the story states such a thing, and in fact it's stated later on that "Lancer's NP that will always hit can be blocked by three things. Great Luck, a shield that has enough mana to neutralize the curse, or stopping him from using it in the first place". Now the thing about that is how they wouldn't say "A great shield can neutralize that lance that can't be blocked" unless they're talking about him using the ability that can't be blocked, meaning it's most likely fan theory that it loses that attribute if thrown. Especially with what's listed in the data entry for that ability.

The overall point is that an NP with a special attribute that specifically targets a certain other attribute can show a greater showing in that moment compared to just something that has a better rank purely.
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>>101299461
No, I was referring to an interview where he said something like "The output of the attack equals or slightly surpasses that of Excalibur", but I can't find it.

>>101299487
Exactly! It's not the output, it's the effects of it!

You can't rank Ea because it collapses the world. You can't rank Ionioi Hetairoi because it's function faaaaar surpasses the Grail and does things the Grail can't.

Amita Amitabha isn't EX because it does "5,670,000,000 damage within the context of the game." but because it uses the entire length of the human history and all the suffering it entails as an anti-individual attack.
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>>101299513
I can only imagine how situationally broken Ferdiad would be if summoned, seeming as his skin was immune to being pierced (Not even the bolg could do it...well until Cu shoved it up his Arse).

But the lads supposed to be equal to Cu in everyway and studied under scathach, so it would be basically Cu, sans bolg, but immune to all piercing damage.
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>simo hayha will never be archer/assassin
>a winged hussar will never be lancer/rider
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>>101299902
yeah I saw that too Ea and the attack Ea Eglish or what the fuck ever are two different things with Ea eglish or whatever being the off the charts OP one
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>>101299902
>Can't rank Ea because it collapses the world
A reality marble flat out overwrites the world, which is far superior than somthing that just interferes with the world marble.
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>>101297469
It sounds like Archer has the most interesting ideology. Sounds similar to HF Shirou actually? In that he'll sacrifice people if it's for people that are close to him, and won't sacrifice those he cares about for the sake of the many.
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>>101300130
Well, take it with a grain of salt. I'm a huge Archerfag, so my summary might flatter him a bit too much. That is using his "hair down neutral good" mode as a basis.

When he's in full "Counter Guardia PTSD" True Neutral mode, he's pretty damn close to Kiritsugu in terms of practicality along with not exactly caring about people at all.
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>>101300475
We've never really seen him in Guardian mode before, we've never really seen any Guardian in action before. However Archer is someone who will sacrifice to get what he wants at times as long as it meets the goal, like when he was ready to cut down Saber in the basement when she got in the way of Shirou, and when he basically let Rin almost be raped. He's very "The ends meet the actions" at times, at least until he remembers himself a bit.
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>>101300130
Archer will kill people close to him if it comes down to it depending on the situation. He'd strike down Saber in UBW and Sakura in HF, for example.
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>>101300685
>Natural enemy: Rin, Sakura, Ilya[1]
Of course, it depends on the situation.

Striking down Sakura for being about to consume people for prana is different from having to take on Berserker and refusing to target Ilya.
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>>101300123
That's cute, but it's not "far superior."
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>>101300123
>somthing that just interferes with the world marble.

What Ea does is it stripes away all untruths, and reveals the true face of the planet by tearing a small hole in Gaia's Planetary phantasm. If used on a reality marble it will rip it apart because Ea has been around since before the beginning, and thus it understands the truth of the world. If used outside of a reality marble it will rip a hole in the world itself to reveal the true face of the planet, the primordial Earth.
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>>101286673

Why would he bother when he can trace shit like Kanshou and whatever and be 100000x better.
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>>101301617
I'm not talking about combat experience, I talking about tactics and tricks. How to breech a building, hostage situations, silent takedowns...

OPERATOR skills, that is.
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>>101301617
If he saw sabers dreams (Back when he would have summoned her) would he not save saw the round table and the likes of clarent, galantine and especially Arondight.

>Trace Arondight
>rank up to all stats
>eternal arms mastership

Why the fuck not
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>>101302367
I've wondered about that myself. Though Caladbolg is the same type of sword as Galatine so it's somewhat superfluous.

>dual wielding Arondight and Excalibur
>Archer's face when
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>>101299966

One of the Four Horseman has been Rider though. Damn you Narita, coming up with all these cool Masters and Servants and never doing anything with them after the intro
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>>101302549
That fucker was very popular in the make your own servant threads. He led to 'the thing' rider. 'Patient Zero' Assassin. 'Old Monk' Caster, Odjin rider.

Takes be back to the good days
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>>101302549
Nasu can pick and choose what he wants to be canon and what isn't. He accepted Narita's Enkidu as canon, and accepted DEEN's Overedge as canon as well, but he's a real cherry picker.
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>>101282239
>Mfw this is canon
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Just started extra that's really fucked up man
you were playing as a nobody.
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>>101303157

Gotta weed it down from 999 somehow.
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>>101303154
No fucking way
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>>101303157

>Just started extra

Don't pick Caster
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>>101303575
going with ass window first
>>101303230
I suppose... ;_;
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>>101303157
You were playing as just another tomato at first in order to hammer in just how cruel the scenerio can be in a way. The second time around you were just one step away from just being another casualty as well.

In at least a few ways this grail war is much more cruel than the previous one you've seen. And going through each week talking to each NPC you'll start to understand a bit of that.
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>>101303998
Oh boy this'll be interesting
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>>101298819
but what are -'s
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>>101304289
Contest is literally live or die, as each week you have to kill whoever you go up against and watch them slowly die before you as you're unable to do anything. You'll have to battle friends, acquaintances, the innocent, and everything in between in this contest. Over the course of the game the number of NPCs in the hallway goes down by about half, and if you talk to them in between each battle you can only see their guilt and grief over this contest as they try their hardest to get ahead since they don't want to bet he one who dies either. Like two NPC's in particular who are a couple, and during the fourth week they're assigned to fight each other, and they guy takes a dive so she can live at least, but before he does he tells you to watch after her since he knows he won't make it. She basically loses it the next time you see her in the hall, and next elimination round she's nowhere to be seen anymore.

It's a pretty nice touch at times, and the various death scenes are pretty well handled honestly. You really get to understand the mark of a person in that moment.
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>>101284883
I didn't find it strange at all. Rather, I found it fitting, with all the gun imagery Shirou uses in his magecraft.

His tracing prepares a bullet and his projection is the gun. I love the sound effects, too.
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>>101304680
I can't read any of it since it's spoilers although I really want to....
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>>101305132
It's not a huge spoiler either way, but it's still something that's best experienced the first time around rather than just reading about it.

After the first round you should have a slight idea of the flow to look out for here.
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>>101305216
all right will do. It's pretty fun so far don't know why I took so long to play it
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>>101305356
Figuring out and seeing the various new servants that are introduced in that game should be fun as well. After all a large draw to that story is the various characters interacting.
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>>101303575
I'm actually playing as Caster right now. Fighting RH...For the third time...
>Mfw out of mana
>Mfw relying on heal items because my mana's out too
>Mfw the fucker decides to use Faceless King at that exact moment.
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>>101292438
was it the one that had the counter-counter guardian or something like that?
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>>101307226
That's the one. Story is pants on head retarded.
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>>101305638
I'm on Gawain, but I had to stop playing for awhile after he basically took out Caster in one turn during the usual three turns arena battle.

Although it wouldn't really be hard to overcome their strategy of "Leo uses bomb to paralyze while Gawain goes in for the real strike".
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A bit off topic, but kind of not really: How exactly do memories of grail wars work for the servants themselves?

I specifically remember reading that servants keep memories of grail wars that they are summoned into, but rather than keeping them as memories, it's more like "reading someone else's journal." In other words, they know that certain things happened, but they don't "remember" them happening, per se.

Is that correct?

Likewise, is Archer's existence enough to suggest that there were more grail wars even after the Fuyuki system was dismantled?
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>>101307863
Heroic Spirits don't remember anything. Their existence is "perfect" as is and the Throne doesn't want to risk taint coming to their selves from those experiences.

Counter Guardians can read their memories, it seems, since Archer had issues with his existence. And no, nothing about Archer implies another war will happen, more importantly the Greater Grail is dismantled before the sixth war can begin by Rin and Waver.
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>>101308190
Gilgamesh seems to be the only "special" Heroic Spirit, given that his copy's personality is modeled after humanity itself in the period of time he's summoned. IIRC, Nasu explained that somewhere in CCC.
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>>101308190
Hmm, was that retconned or something? I'm not sure where exactly, but I could swear it explicitly being stated in FSN that servants have some memories of grail wars, but they're imperfect/incomplete.
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>>101308400
That impossible, I think you mean that shit about Servant having knowledge about the current world and the Holy Grail when they are summoned.
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>>101308400
From what I understood their personality and memories stays the same, the memories they have from the war are like the memories you would get from reading a book, it happened, but not to you.

I'm sure they at least have some memories because I seem to recall Saber remembering Kiritsugu and her last grail war, or at least parts of it.
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>>101285689
Are you kidding? Most servants are at least hypersonic and it's totally plausible that a servant could outrun and straight up dodge rifle fire. Shirou without projection was able to visually keep up with hrunting which is far faster than a bullet, which means his reaction speed is at least hypersonic (when the plot demands) as well.
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>>101308495
>>101308588

Right, see? There is clearly conflicting information here.

It's been several years since I read FSN so I can't give you guys actual quotes, but I remember it being super vague about how things actually happen.
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I never understood why Servants didn't go ghost-mode while fighting to avoid damage.
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>>101308381
It's not that he's special, it's that once he's an incarnated human again and thus "Alive" his human blood will rise to the surface, and his spirit will shift to match other present day humans somewhat as well

Same would happen to any servant if they became human once more.
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>>101308588
>>101308742
Saber isn't a heroic spirit.

>>101308743
Archer does against Saber after she wrecks him on the third night.
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>>101308743
Typically if they're fighting something then they're fighting another servant, and if so they can still be damaged in spirit mode most likely.
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>>101308743
It's probably an inefficient mean of dodging. Most Servants can just dodge fast and some can just straight up teleport.

It's also possibly that Noble Phantasms don't give shit and would kill them anyhow.
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>>101296633
>>101296697
>Gilgamesh
>Alter

Wait, wasn't he unable to be corrupted or something like that?
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>>101309636
Different thing.
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>>101309636
Just think of prisma as not canon, that's what everyone else does.
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>>101309840
Why bother with that when it literally is a different set of circumstances? Servant Cards generally are different than servants themselves, even if they do sort of house the soul of a servant in it's raw form.



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