How does this whole fansubbing scene work?
I always hear conflicting statements about each group, and who each of them are.
Like: Underwater is Commie, CR is HS, Commie is HS, UTW is Underwater, FFF is UTW, and so on.
I understand that HS are rips from CR, but is HS always doing CR subs?
I just don't get how you can pick a definite sub group to go with.
Maybe Daiz can clarify all this for me.
What are you confused on?
If it's the basics,
Fansubs are unofficial subs for anime.
Because horrible just copy pastes crunchy roll's subs, they're the closest fan subs to an official sub, not good, official.
From my understanding, fansubs used to be groups of alpha as fuck turbonerds who would translate dialogue from scratch. Nowadays most fansubs just edit CR/HS so as not to be as shit/more shit.
I'm more confused about the composition of each of the fansubbing groups. It seems like every thread that I've seen debating which subs are best, always have claims that each group is actually another.
Ultimately it seems the posts lead to Daiz.
That's because groups share members a lot.
Most fansubbers work for multiple groups. Daiz gets brought up on /a/ a lot just because he posts here quite often.
If that's the case, does that mean that CR isn't always subbed by HS?
Does Daiz run nyaa? Is that why FFF, UTW, and Underwater are all blue?
No, he's a mod at nyaa.
What? HS just rips CR/Funi/Viz, etc.
Isn't CR all done by fansubbers?
No, man. Jesus.
>Does Daiz run nyaa?
Pray that the day does not come.
How can one person be so dumb?
No. They do have some ex-fansubbers working for them, though.
>Isn't CR all done by fansubbers?
Actually Crunchyroll does recruit fansub groups for shows from time to time.
It just werks.
And that's why they are the best, because they have no flavor. No "clever" word play, no smart ass pseudo linguist rewriting the script to suit his fancy.
Just a basic translation to appeal to the common denominator. Thank you HS your subs are Horrible.
Then again all you niggas aught to learn moon if you're gonna keep watching moon cartoons.
Speaking of nyaa, does any watch white subs or red?
>And that's why they are the best, because they have no flavor. No "clever" word play, no smart ass pseudo linguist rewriting the script to suit his fancy.
I'm with you on this. I hate shit ass translators/editors thinking their tangentially related dialogue changes are 'so epik lel'. I'd prefer it being as close to literal as possible. Puns are in the phonetics, which I can easily hear. I don't need some dweeb who thinks his original joke is better putting it in the subs.
That, and no (well, less) nerd drama. Holy shit insecure nerds getting all buttmad about other group doing X thing and dropping/delaying shit out of spite is so fucking dumb. With the advent of paid licensing for subbing current shows that shit has gone way down.
And yet fan subs are always worse.
For BD rips yes, for TV no. Why would you?
>Isn't CR all done by fansubbers?
You could really use the lurking anon. I strongly recommend it.
Indeed, aren't they?
When exactly does /a/ expect CR to crack down on HS seeders?
I mena it is only a matter of time.
but it is done by old and new fansubbers
Haha, oh wow.
OP is fine, at leas the has some notion of what's going on.
Old only, the new ones either don't exist or are still deluded by the glamour of e-peen.
CR hires former fansub translators, they recently hired some from gg.
Why wouldn't they?
Does CR see pirates as potential customers?
Pretty sure CR contracts work from current sub groups. Though that's just what I heard.
They were pirates themselves until just recently.
They would have to redesign alot of shit and it would be a pain. Also HS will find a way.
>Why wouldn't they?
Why would they? It's a bit pointless of a task.
Daiz will protect us.
Well, a Jew just did buy them out.
That's why I asked.
If you use a toaster to watch anime the reds might be of interest to you.
Exactly my point. Once a company grows large enough it attracts assholes that try everthing to improve it's profit. or run it into the ground, which i hope for
CR isn't around to attract people who want quality subs. They exist for totally different reasons.
Anyone downloading HS subs are doing so because they're the best option. CR stands nothing to gain from them.
Do you even know what those colors mean?
>which i hope for
You do realize that'd be the death of the current anime scene, right?
There's barely anybody left translating for free.
Besides, as long as there are delusional weebs who think buying a subscription supports the industry in any way, there's nothing to fix.
Speaking of fansubs what happened to gg? Did they finally die?
If I understand you correctly, what you are actually confused about is how to draw the "lines" between groups, is that right?
The answer that "most active fansubbers work for multiple groups" addresses part of the reality, but I think it under-emphasizes the point. A "group" is really just a tag that is used to identify a continuous body of work. So the members of HorribleSubs (whose work for that group involves strictly programming--they do no encoding or translating, only write scripts to rip video and subs from streaming websites) may also be members or even leaders of other groups doing "traditional" fansubbing (or translatorless CR-edit style fansubbing), say, Underwater without any conflict of interest. They separate the group tags because it pleases them to organize their work in a categorical way. Horribesubs only releases CR rips, and hence they have an established reputation for that, while Underwater has a different reputation. If Daiz were to release an untouched CR rip as Underwater instead of HS, people would be confused and probably not immediately recognize it for what it was.
Organizing in this way helps give fansubbers stylistic freedom. An editor working on a project to be released as gg can get away with using a very different style of language than he can if his project is going to be released as UTW. This is beneficial for the leeches (the viewers), because it enables them to mentally filter their options based on their impressions of various groups.
Some fansubbers, especially one-man-teams, will vary the tag they use when they want to adjust how their project is received by the community. A TV-airing fansubber may use a different tag when releasing a Bluray-sourced encode, and may yet use a third distinct tag for a release based on a PD or Share raw when no BDMV is available (perhaps to alert the audience of the potentially lower source quality, or perhaps to effectively take less credit for doing less work, etc.).
Everything was fine even before CR existed.
Although it speeded up releases quite abit.
gg is still doing Tokyo Ravens, but they are effectively in a dormant period. This isn't the first time. Although gg has been around for a long time, it has never claimed to have been operated continuously for that period.
Do you think all the teams are actually friends and have tea parties from time to time?
>because they're the best option.
Patience is a virtue.
>There's barely anybody left translating for free.
Everybody who works for CR only do it because of the money. As soon as there's no money, they do it for e-peen, or love like m.3.3.w. There's always an option.
>This is beneficial for the leeches (the viewers), because it enables them to mentally filter their options based on their impressions of various groups.
You phrase it as a good thing, but in reality it leads to retarded bandwagoning.
If you look at anime releases, you can tell pretty easily which shows are subbed by CR, because almost nobody bothers with the others - unless it's a hugely popular show that for some strange reason didn't sit well with the CR crew.
Without CR we have almost no subs for now.
>As soon as there's no money, they do it for e-peen
Right now they do it as a job.
When they lose that job, they are going to get a new one.
Even if they continue subbing, it will be on a completely different scale.
Basically the quality, like green and blue are more likely to dish out consistent quality.
Beggars can't be choosers, anon. Just be grateful of what we have.
Threads like this make me feel so old
4chan has so many new users, to think most of them were still in elementary school while we were watching code geass....
I feel like learned something today.
I'm not choosy. I'm saying without CR the fansubbing scene would collapse.
Thank you for that reply. This is all I wanted from this thread.
Ts. Be real.
Lot of blue releases are awarded by default - show only gets CR subs + some group does an edit and thus is better by default on the merit of adding signs, karaoke and better video. And with fansubbers themselves deciding which releases gets blue, it would be foolish to give it high significance.
And green just means trusted user, meaning you won't upload something fake or total shit. But more likely it means you suck up to Nyaa mods in comments or IRC.
All green or blue tell you is "these releases won't be total shit".
Please don't use hyperbole on the internet. There are people that can't tell when it is being used.
Hence, consistent quality.
You know you're not going to get Hadena or something with a blue or green.
No. At best you know there probably isn't a virus.
maybe they won't lose their job if they learn to fucking encode, learn to fucking typeset and learn to fucking moonspeak. I would then have no qualms giving them money but as it is paying for current CR is a fucking joke.
Please just read nyaa's FAQ.
That's a different topic entirely.
My post still holds truth.
I think i've dropped that show for the time being manly because there isn't a even half-decent sub around.