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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-01-30/miyazaki/the-problem-with-the-anime-industry-is-it-full-of-otaku
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Shut up old man.
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Yesterday it was "Full of anime fans"
Now is "Full of otaku"
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sounds like a bit of a tautology to me
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Better than it being full of fujoshi.
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I thought you retired you fag, shut up already, otaku is the only reason anime still exists
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>>101275460
Please, Anno hates the otaku too, despite being one. Their shared hatred of their own fans is part of the reason Miyazaki considers Anno to be his successor and heir apparent.
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He's right but that doesn't change the fact that all his recent films have been boring as shit.
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>>101275402

Yeah. We know. We've only had this fucking thread like 20 times in past two days.

Holy shit.
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>>101275736
they look so happy together. truly a match made in heaven
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>>101275402
>Miyazaki:Mad because he is irrelevant to anime industry
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>>101275549
"Most anime makers are basically autistic."
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>>101275549
>anime creators are all basically autists
Confirmed for fake.
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>>101275809
First time I see it.
You should go outside some more, or actually watch some anime.
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>>101275824
you can always count on anno to deliver the hard hitting truth
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>>101275402
>Miyazaki
>Why there's people who aren't complete commoners normalfaggots like people who eat my shit?
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We've already had this and that's not what he said at all.

Fucking uninformed western people.
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>>101275821
Totally BFFs
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>>101275549
>not posting the full interview
C'mon nigga

>>101275825
You're a big dummy, aren't you?
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>>101275857
>You should go outside some more

Oh no you didn't.
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>>101275402
Oh boy yet another spamming shit.
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>>101275911
>commoners normalfagots
Otaku are far worse with even more shallow taste.
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>Other things Miyazaki doesn't like include [...] the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation.
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>Having an ipad is like masturbating
Why didn't anyone tell me this sooner
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>>101275978
>Anno names Asuka as his favorite Evangelion character because "she's cute."
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>>101276042
It should be obvious really.
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"Other things Miyazaki doesn't like include:

The Abe Administration, the Iraq War, and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation."
>Iraq War
LOOK LIKE THIS OLD JAPANESE MAN NEED SOME FUCKING FREEDOM.
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Guys guys guys I know how to save anime, we get rid of the only people who buy it.
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>>101275978
i don't get the part about miyazaki animating "the god-soldier firing". is he talking about ideon?
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>Iraq war
>Masturbation

Y-yeah...I can totally see a connection here.
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>>101276077
at least if he ever visits /a/ Moot wont ban him.

>>101276042
I wonder if is in regard of the iPad, apple products, PCs or Tablets in general?
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>>101275986
At least empty your piss bottles
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>>101276165
By the look of Miyazaki movies, he fucking hates technology in general.
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because baka gaijin "critics" eat up the pretentious faggotry shit of Oshii and Anno because it makes them think it's "deep" so they aren't watching "cartoons for children" so they can feel more "adult". and Miyazaki abandons his samurai spirit of the rising sun by copying Disney's style which stupid Americans love.

and americans are too stupid to appreciate and understand the idea of a bipedal robot being used for war. anno gets away with it because baka gaijins think EVA is deep with all the faggot imagery.

CCA came out 3 months before Akira and looks better and is a work of art. Akira has shitter pacing with a stupider plot that's unnecessarily convulted. But unlike CCA which was based on previous installments, Akira was relatively stand-alone and had all the pretentious faggotry that retarded gaijin Americans love. and since it was american's first animu they got attached to the bikes which are in the movie for only 5 minutes. Akira even had shittier use of CGI than CCA.

Basically Ameritard critics (and the rest of the world's critics) only watch "mature anime with mature plot lines for mature viewers such as myself" type of mentality. and American critics get offended by the way the Federation is portrayed throughout Tomino's works. so they see Gundam as a Nazi sympathizing material so the Jews who control hollywood crush all attempts to make it popular in the West.
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>>101275824
Speaking of experience, I see.
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>>101276118
anime was better when it was aimed mainly at children, rather than man children
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This is about as absurd a reason as a successful diner lamenting that its patrons are all blue collars workers and wish they had a more diverse range of wage bracket customers, so they piss off their current clientele to appeal to a wider more classy market, only to alienate both because that audience wasn't interested in the first place and your blue collars have already left to get what they originally came for from somewhere else less pretentious.
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Why don't threads get made on /a/ every time I don't like something but they do when it's Miyazaki?
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>>101276023
>Otaku are far worse with even more shallow taste.
-as said by an normalfaggot from /v/
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I dont like ghibli movies

There I said it
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>>101275402
>Anime industry is full of people who love anime.

Good.
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Come back from the grave, Kon Satoshi
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>>101275822
This.
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>>101275549
"Most anime makers are basically autistic"
- Hideaki Anno
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Miyazaki is a pretentious faggot.

News at eleven.
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>>101276118
You could argue that fans very often don't know what they want. In other words, if you always cater to your supposed audience and its supposed desires, you end up with the situation that films in the west are in. That is, a parade of super hero films and quirky love comedies. People also want to be surprised. Shows that take that risk are very often rewarded for it.
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>>101275822
>Miyazaki
>irrelevant
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>>101275608
But fujoshi are a subgroup of otaku.
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>>101276230
Are you a respected anime film director?
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>>101275608
You're just as fucking bad you idiot.
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>>101276278
fuck off moonshit
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>>101276310
recognized =/= respected
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>>101276304
Miyazaki only made anime "famous" among baka gaijin critics, that's all. He'll be forgotten in a couple of decades after he dies.
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>>101276132
He's talking about working as one of the character animators on Miyazaki's Nausicaa- Anno was an animator at Ghibli for a few years and I think the only founder of Gainax with any previous professional animation experience. The "God Soldier" is one of the things that Anno animated in Nausicaa.

Which explains the weird live action Ghibli short that Anno commissioned to appear before Rebuild of Evangelion 3.0
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>>101276251
Don't make me think about that, don't make me think about his goodbye letter.

Oh god why, he was too perfect for this world I guess ;_;
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>>101276244
You have really shit taste, I bet you don't even know who Isao Takahata is.
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>>101276271
i'm glad he's a pretentious faggot, i wish more anime directors had at least some kind of artistic pretentions
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Irate senile rants ranking:
God tier:
Yoshiyuki Tomino

Shit tier:
Hayao Miyazaki
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>>101276304
Please, successful anime titles influenced by Miyazaki besides Miyazaki of course, protip:Its not Fractale.
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>"don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans."

Yes, because ordinary people are boring. Anime and manga are supposed to be larger than life and in most cases try to encapsulate the ideal.

News Flash: More at 11.
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>>101276187
it cant be, or else it would be hypocritical of him to use the Plane and television.

Still I dont get why wouldnt he use the PC?

>>101276189
CCA? Gundam CCA?

>>101276230
well that's because is of someone with a great knowledge of it, it technically goes a bit against 4chan and on the whole "ad hominem" fallacy because all opinions should be given the same value no matter who says them but...is justified at times.
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>>101276357
Neither of which you are.
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>>101275402
He's right though.

If you want a good example of his opinion in practice, look at the American comic book industry. It's basically fanboys writing for fanboys now.
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>>101276357
You're right.

But I don't see how that's relevant as Miyazaki is quite respected.
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>>101276412
>God tier

Please, he's just a bad troll with his "violence pornography" argument.
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>>101275978
>since am a male I dont know the emotions f women and because I want to understand their feelings etc etc

He's the king of the turbonerds.
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>>101276225
Are you retarded or what? Miyazaki isn't saying otaku are the problem (though I doubt he likes them), he's saying the problem is that the people making anime are otaku.

Observing people like he says is a basic practice in art, it's nothing pretentious or deep. If you stay inside all the time you miss out on this vital real-life quality in your art and end up regurgitation what you've seen from other people.
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>>101276189
I haven't seen this pasta in a while, thanks.
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>>101276278
Watch more films.
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>>101275402
Who gives a shit?
I don't even like his movies, at all. He can die tomorrow for all I care.
Actually, I kinda wish he does.
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>>101276440
OH look Miyazaki thread attracting normalfaggots from other boards
>>>/co/
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>>101276412
Pretty much this. At least Tomino is entertaining when shitting on things.
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>anime industry is full of otaku
Meanwhile, the video game industry is full of gamers and the film industry is full of movie watchers.

Scientists have determined water is wet and fire is hot.
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>>101276446
Who the hell would respect a director knowing he's a pretentious asshole, hating his own fans, not signing shit and refusing to receive international awards.

Does ignorant fanboy's respect count into equation?
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Only Otaku have the passion and desire to deal with all the bullshit that is the Anime Industry.

Normal people would rightly stay the fuck away.
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Old man Miyazaki doesn't seem to realize that it's thanks to the "otaku" that his films have gotten any respect at all. After all he does copy Disney style on his films.

You see Miyazaki's complain is that the anime industry is full of people who love anime, the same people that are the ones who are willing to spend money on anime products, the same people who have kept the anime industry alive all these years.

Miyazaki needs to understand that Anime Industry is fine and that there is no problem with it, the real problem lies with people like him who are too pretentious.


Miyzaki should learn from Tomino and Go Nagai before ranting again
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>>101276531
That's not how it works.
It's possible to be a fan of anime and not be an otaku faggot.
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>>101276531
>Scientists have determined water is wet and fire is hot.

[citation needed]
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>>101276482
Back at you, he's basically saying if you're an otaku, you shouldn't or cannot be an artist or a creator and therefore a participant in the medium.

That's the epitome of elitism and pretentious, you fucking idiot.
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>>101276567
Only otaku have that shitty taste.
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>>101276373
Yup. I'm sure.
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>>101276531
>Meanwhile, the video game industry is full of gamers

Hahaha. No.
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>>101276440
American comics and anime have a lot in common
Both are pandering shit to the max
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>>101276528
My favorite was the anti-Evangelion rants Tomino delivered while insisting Brain Powerd wasn't just a shitty Evangelion rip-off. (which it was)
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>>101276633
Screencap my post. YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
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>>101276594
You can be an otaku, you just have to go outside :-)
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>>101276585
>Old man Miyazaki doesn't seem to realize that it's thanks to the "otaku" that his films have gotten any respect at all.
Hardly. Miyazaki doesn't give a shit about otaku. His films are for wider audience and critics.
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>>101276585
>After all he does copy Disney style on his films.
Miyazaki's films aren't disney like at all
> full of people who love anime
They don't love anime, they love masturbation
>Miyzaki should learn from Tomino and Go Nagai
Please don't compare Miyazaki to a hack like Tomino and a crazy person like Go Nagai.
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>>101276638
he said gamers, not Video gamers.
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>>101275966
Does that bitch thinks Anno created Totoro?
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>>101276638
Notice how the quality of video games has gone down because they wanted normal people to like it.

That is basically what Miyazaki wants to happen with the anime industry.

He wants normal people to come in and destroy it.
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>>101276653
His anti-SnK rants about how it was full of violence was even better.

Shit's coming from fucking Gundam creator, I leld so hard it caused the Third Impact.
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While I can agree that some aspects of anime are overplayed (oh god please tone down the highschool a bit), going the route of video games and catering to normies is not the fucking solution.
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>>101276567
>Normal people would rightly stay the fuck away.
>>>/v/
Normal people has narrow attention span so they cant get through an entire TV series, that's why they watch animation movies with easy themes and bland characters.
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>>101276111
I was looking for this picture for quite a while, sir. Thank you very much.
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>>101276653
that tomino anti-evangelion rant is hands down the funniest comment ever made by an anime director
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>>101276681
>Not liking Go Nagai

Faggot.
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>>101276694

The fuck kind of anime would normalfags watch anyway?

Does he realize that anime is seen as something only weird Otaku see? Trying to appeal to normalfags wouldn't fix shit and alienate everyone.
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>>101276694
Anime industry is already at the bottom.
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>>101276681
Fuck off to ANN
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>>101276659
Princess Mononoke was made in '97 and people still talk about it.
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>>101276681
>Miyazaki's films aren't disney like at all
He said they are, disney is Miyazaki inspiration
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>>101276694
The qualiti of video games is the same as always
Same as with anime
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>>101276755
Wouldn't normalfags like SoL shit in the first place? Since it's "normal" and nothing extraordinary at all. No excitement in it, when compared to other stuff.
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>>101276741
Don't get me wrong, I like Nagai, but comparing him to Miyazaki is just plain silly, they occupy separate niches.
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>>101276755
>Does he realize that anime is seen as something only weird Otaku see?

No he doesn't because Hollywood, the Academy and normalfags keep stroking his ego.
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>>101276111
The fighter jet in that picture is a russian built mig-29
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>>101276651
Except American comics have gone too far down the rabbit hole and can never return.
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>>101276773
But it's been only 17 years, anon. We have three more to go.
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>>101276829
This is why he wasn't even there to get his award?
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the anime industry is full of people who love any anime just because is anime
otakus actualy do that, just see anime beacause waifus and best girl some times the argumen is in second place
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>>101276694

more like the anime industry is at the other polar extreme.
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>>101276187
He want's people to communicate more, as stated in the article, and he feels that all the staring at your smartphone keeps people from doing that.
But this isn't about technology specifically as he was against reading your newspaper in the subway, too.
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>>101276811

Maybe an adult SoL show? Seeing a non school girl SoL would be kind of interesting.

I loved Servant x Service.
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>>101276870
Miyazaki is too full of himself. I bet he thinks he's too good for the Academy Awards.
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>>101276531
the video game industry doesnt belong to gamers anymore, the gaming industry is just as mainstream as the movie and music industry and thus flooded with normalfags eating up the shit the industry gives them.
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>>101276864
Are you implying anime can?
They tried you know
Only total retards pay for anime, normals wont buy it no matter what.
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>>101276870
He didn't accept his Oscar because he's a racist who blames all Americans for the Iraq war.
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>>101276755
That doesn't mean you need to cater to the mouthbreathing obese neckbeards that self-insert into those harem MCs.

There has to be a point in between that and the Cawadoody audience.
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>>101276932
>thus flooded with normalfags eating up the shit the industry gives them
Not that different from anime and otaku.
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>>101276932
There is plenty of games for "gamers" today too, I like games now more than ever and Ive been playing since 1984
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>>101276379
;o;
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>>101276138
I actually can.

Masturbation is self-satisfaction.
What was the US' purpose of the Iraq War? Freeing the Iraqi by introducing democracy?
Or was the immediate call to arms rather actionism to satisfact the populace, the people of the USA? Actionism to prove to oneself that one isn't as vulnerable, as helpless as one appeared to be?

If it was the latter, then the Iraq War was just masturbation.
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>>101276811
nah they would watch comedy but dumped down to normalfag humor, we would basically get the same shit as normal just animated instead of acted
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normals already have everything else

anime is all I have
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Videogames and anime have a lot in common
Both have people that dont know shit that believe they were amazing 15 years ago but now are only moeshit/AAAshit
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>>101277030
>dumped down
>Japanese "humour"
It's probably impossible.
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>>101276981

Of course. I can agree with that. The point I'm making is anime is so niche nowadays, what the hell WOULD appeal to normal people in Japan?
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>>101276984
blame the nips for having shittaste
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>>101277033
This.

When anime starts pandering to normalfags, it's time for me to find a new hobby.
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>>101275402
>blaming the animators and not the writers
Retard.
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>>101277042

Except video gaming is all AAAShit because they can't sustain their bloated budgets otherwise, and anime is going more niche because only dedicated otaku can support anime nowadays.
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>>101276412
>Irate senile rants ranking:
>God tier:
>Yoshiyuki Tomino

>Tomino
>God tier
No. His typical Japanese ranting about art not being allowed to show the weak side of humans made me totally disrespect Tomino.
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>>101275402
He's completely right, it seems only Josei manga/anime is still able to portray the thoughts and actions of real people.

Aside from those characters these days are just empty shells stuffed with generic tropes and thrown into some otaku-appealing setting for sales and merchandise.

We need more shows like Apollon and Chihayafuru

ITT: Angry weebs who can't accept the fact that they're killing the industry.
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Miyazaki can't into character development
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>>101277139

>We need more shows like Apollon and Chihayafuru

So they can sell fuckall and the industry will die out completely?
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>>101276859
That's the joke.
The tank is German too.
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>>101277127
See what I mean?

You dont know shit, its the same with /v/ coming here and complaining about moe shit
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So Miyazaki has always hated anime? Because otaku have always dominated the anime industry after Tezuka.

Nagai is an otaku, Ishikawa was an otaku, Obari is an otaku, Akiyama is an otaku, Urushihara is an otaku, Toriyama is a fucking otaku, Sonoda is otaku as fuck, don't get me started on Hirano and Aramaki, and I could go on...
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>>101277139
>We need more shows like Apollon and Chihayafuru

3/10
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>>101277130
I think it's a God tier as in Toppest-of-lels tier.

Since Miyazaki rant isn't even remotely funny.
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>>101277008
>>>/pol/
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>>101277099
but what else is there to do? I cant think of anything fun that isnt already or will be infected by normalfags in the near future
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>>101276859
And the tank is a German buit Leopard 2. It's an ironic image.
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>>101277139
>We need more shows like Chihayafuru
I'm 100% behind you on that.
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>>101276866
Nausicaa has been out for 30 years. People still talk about it.
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>>101276585
>After all he does copy Disney style on his films.
What kind of baseless assumption is this?

Yeah, we all know that early anime styles were heavily influenced by Disney, but that doesn't mean shit after decades of practice and evolution.
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>>101277238
How about ignoring these "normafags" and just enjoy what you enjoy?
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>>101277248
>>101277207
Fun fact: The Leopard is like the Abram's half brother. They're derivatives of the same joint American/German tank project of the 1960s.
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He's not even part of the same industry so he should shut his mouth. He makes family-oriented children's movies and other blockbusters that will sell millions of tickets and DVDs. He's not commissioned to adapt shitty little sister romcom light novels to air at 4 am for the unemployed hikkikomori audience, what the fuck does he know?
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>>101277170
Miyazaki can't into anything besides ~breathtaking scenes~ which are actually empty on the inside. Hate that crap.
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>>101277287

Because normalfags ruin everything. See the state of video gaming right now.
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>>101277139
>real people
But why would you want that from cartoons? Why not just make/watch live action movies? (and even then I'd argue those are highly unrealistic on their own).

Or better yet, just don't watch/read/ fiction at all. Go out more and just interact with real people, get a girlfriend, party, etc. No big deal.

>>101277171
Japs have shit taste. Chihayafuru was fucking cool.
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>>101277066
>what the hell WOULD appeal to normal people in Japan?
Stories about overworked salarymen? I'm sure there was an anime about that.
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>spend $15mil budget making show for normals
>500 copies sold
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>>101277171
who cares if the "industry" lives on if it's only to produce endless amounts of pandering trash?
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>>101277287
but them starting to like something makes the industry producing it pandering to them which leads to a great loss in quality
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>>101277139
>We need more shows like Apollon and Chihayafuru

Well guess what. Those shows don't make profits because the fans like you don't buy said shows.
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>>101276811
>normalfags
>liking SoL
Are you serious?
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>>101277354
>what is every American sitcom
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>>101277324
>baaaw normalfags
This is getting pathetic. The state of anime industry is pretty damn horrible too, you know?
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Big deal, there's always manga
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>>101276373
But masterpieces like Lucky Star will be remembered forever.
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>>101277371
>implying there is no cultural difference between burgers and nips
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>>101277371
shitty comedy, anerican sitcoms dont even come close to Sol or do you know anyone who lives a sitcom like life?
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>>101277371

>Americans are Japanese people.

>>101277377

Appealing to normalfags isn't going to fix it.
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>>101277318
>They're derivatives of the same joint American/German tank project of the 1960s.
Which was a total disaster.
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>>101277331

I care, I like the industry, you're incredibly selfish if you're okay with something not excisting just because they don't pander to you when the industry has never actually pandered to normal people as a majority.
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>>101277377
and it would become even more shit if normalfags would invade it
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>>101277412
Make anime similar to Band of Brothers, Sopranos or even GoT can fix it.
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>>101277325
>But why would you want that from cartoons?

Because the entire idea behind fiction and fantasy is real people being put in these extraordinary situations

>Why not just make/watch live action movies?

Because 3D nips (and all asians for that matter) are an eyesore to look at

>Go out more and just interact with real people, get a girlfriend, party, etc

Contrary to popular belief on /a/, you can do this and still enjoy anime and/or slide down the slippery slope of buyfagging
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Eva ruined anime.
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K-On! was actually extremely popular with normals, normalfag stores in Shibuya and other areas had cross promotion deals with the franchise.
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The only anime I can think that has crazy ass appeal to normal people in Japan is Doraemon and some badly drawn show about some family that has been going on for fucking ever. I forget what its called.
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>anime caters to normalfags
>we get more samurai champloo/cowboy bebop/afro samurai
Okay. Please do this.
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>>101277415
but both the leopard and abrams are great tanks
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>>101277458
But films are superior in every way, and the whole industry is "invaded" by normalfags.
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>>101277517
>some badly drawn show about some family that has been going on for fucking ever
Sazae-san?
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>>101277377
>The state of anime industry is pretty damn horrible

It's at the same shit-state since 00's. Moe was there, otaku were there, shittaste was there.
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>>101277497
>Contrary to popular belief on /a/, you can do this and still enjoy anime and/or slide down the slippery slope of buyfagging
Contrary to what you think, you can do everything you mentioned.
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>>101277377
Indeed, but because of the exact opposite reason.
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>>101277547

>But films are superior in every way

Yeah, no. Fuck off, normie.
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How can you, special snowflakes who are not normal, watch same shit over and over again?
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>>101277350
But I have both bought both the manga and anime.

The real problem is there isn't enough people who watch anime for the story and character interactions instead of PLOT and haremshit and BEST GIRL IS X
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>>101277585
It is, English, speak, can, you not?
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>>101277585
Same way how you normies lie to themselves over and over how pink the reality is. Fuck off now, will you?
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>and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation.

based Miyazaki
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>>101277573
Enjoy your shitty taste. Only someone either delusional or underage can say that film isn't much better and diverse than anime.
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Going to be replaced by Shinkai anyway soon
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>>101277618

Because those things sell better. You think people can make anime just for fun or the art?
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>>101277651
make me, turbonerd
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Can we stop having this thread already?
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>>101277662

I'm not delusional, I'm just not some normie cunt who enjoys shitty movies made for bland normal people.
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>>101277678
>You think people can make anime just for fun or the art?

What is FLCL
What is Redline

Just the first two examples that come to mind
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>>101277662
Y-yes master, please tell us how superior Scary Movie 5 is to every chinese cartoon ever.
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>>101277415
Not really, it was just way too ambitious. Especially the bit where it not only fired missiles instead of normal tank rounds, but fired them out of an autoloader and carried so much ammunition there was barely room to fit the tank crew.
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>>101277737

Wasn't Redline a financial bomb?
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>>101277743
nice strawman
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>>101277734
I'm not mad. I pity you.
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No point in arguing, this thread is full of people who would rather watch the latest Pixar hypefest than 3 episodes of anime or would rather play the next AAA Western game over an RPG on the 3DS/Vita.
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>>101277683
Don't you have like a girlfriend who's totally cheating on you and sucks dicks for clothes money to comfort?
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>>101277331
Because it is pandering specifically to me.
It's like telling me that Woolworth is better than an actual tailor because more people go there.
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>>101277737
>>101277678
>You think people can make anime just for fun or the art?
The 80s and early 90s were full of these.
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>>101277678
>this thing is cancerous, but will make me loads of money, let's send it to the masses
Good God, the industry is not only full of otakus, but it's also lead by Saturday morning cartoon villains!
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>>101277778

>I pity you.

Hilarious, do you think you've won something by saying this? I enjoy my life. I enjoy my favorite hobby (anime) much more than I could ever enjoy boring, overrated movies made for masses of boring, bland people.
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>>101277808
And what's wrong with that? I admit, I enjoyed Frozen more than any 2013 anime.
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>>101277811
Don't be so bitter dude. Girls aren't that bad.

Now attack me with your epic 3DPD memes
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>>101277662
If you mean film in general then no shit it's more varied? Films come from everywhere in the world with variety of budgets, lenght, time given to their creations, anime comes from a small island and has a lot of constraints in terms of time and money. If you mean Hollywood film industry however you're a joke.
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>>101277747
Pfft, the only thing that's really "Mainstream" in this world is Pepsi. Nothing appeals to absolutely everyone.
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>>101277845

And look what happened. Japan's bubble burst in a big way. The effect it had on the economy and general populace was massive. They've never recovered from this and they never will. You're asking for something that is never going to happen. Anime is an industry for otaku - made by otaku. This will never change.
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>>101277878
Are you posting KyoAni reaction images on purpose just to be ironic?
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>>101277911
What about American film industry? Not only Hollywood.
It's better. And old Hollywood was clearly superior to anime.
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>>101277951
>Anime is an industry for otaku - made by otaku. This will never change.
It's always been that way, even before the bubble burst. And if you meant that too, then great..
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>>101277874

When you grow up maybe you'll learn that anime is a business that is meant for making profit.

Just like all forms of entertainment.
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>>101275736

Didn't they have some kind of falling out after EoE?
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>>101278007
>And old Hollywood was clearly superior to anime.

Oh God, the Euphoria
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>>101278020
It was for kids back then.
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>>101277878
>masses of boring, bland people.

You must be some kind of an interesting and special person
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>>101277747
/r/anime is such a fucking shitty comunity I dont even know where to start, seriously go and lurk some of the threads, they are full of normalfags and people who know shit about anime. Not to mention that they dont even come close when it comes to content production where /a/ has drawafags translators etc /r/anime has people making shitty vectors from time to time.
Yes I went to reddit to see how other communitys are and I regret it.
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>>101278051
Back then, you mean like in the 70's right?
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>>101278034
Yes, they had such a huge falling out that Miyazaki totally didn't select Anno to voice the main character in his latest movie or anything.
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>>101278049
What?
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>>101278051
It's for kids now too.

To be more accurate, manchildren.
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>>101277951
The Otakus of the nineties would've thought twice before buying a series where one of the sluts that lusts after the generic retarded male MC is his sister.
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>>101277845
That's not true at all. It was still funded by corporations hoping for a profit, to advertise a manga or if popular enough spawn a TV series.

Stuff like Key the Metal Idol was true for the fun of it.
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>>101278077
30s-00s

To be honest, I can argue that Hollywood is still better than anime. Sure, modern Hollywood films are pretty crappy, but I can say the same about anime.
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>>101278051
It was pretty diverse, at least in the 80s/90s. You had stuff for children, you had stuff for all ages, stuff for "grown-ups", etc. The 70s were more oriented towards children, because, believe it or not, many creators and artists were heavily influenced by Western artists and creators.
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>>101277808
It's like most of them come from /v/.
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>>101278055

No, I'm not. But you can't deny that music, games, movies in this day and age are made for the masses. They're watered down and carefully engineered to appeal to as many people as possible. They're not made for the die-hards. They're made for normal people who have a passing interest in such things. Who just come from work at their boring office job and want to unwind in the most easygoing way possible. This is what people mean by media being tainted when it's developed primarily for normal people. It lacks heart, it lacks passion. I'm not saying it doesn't lack effort, but movies, games and music made for the masses of normal people all chugging along to the same rhythm seem to only have that.
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>/a/ suddenly hates Miyazaki
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Current otaku who throw their money at shit like idol anime are exactly the same as Bronies.
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>>101278128
Yeah, but they had more artistic freedom. OVAs were the best example of this, although there weren't that many restrictions in TV series either (when compared to today).
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>>101278192
It wasn't aimed for children in the 80's anymore.
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>>101278219
>movies
No. Hollywood movies. And it was always like that. Don't talk about things you don't know much about.
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>>101278230
/a/ never liked him, only his older works.

And who the fuck are you quoting.
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>>101278241
This reminds me of the actor that plays Sam in Game of Thrones.
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Japan's population is going to be 1/3 smaller in 50 years so enjoy what you have now.
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>>101278230
Surely you're not getting that from this thread.
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>>101278230

The shit-eating generation that inherited /a/
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>>101278219
That's been that way for ages with music, novelty groups, and crappy artists riding trends have always been there.
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>>101278028
I'm old enough to understand that and the concept of "saturation"
One shitty sister romcom is fine. The joke is old by the second one, and downright offensive by the third one. They crossed that line long ago and they aren't slowing down.
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>>101278307
>And it was always like that.
No it wasn't, it was much harder to follow and market toward some kind of mainstream when the means of communication didn't make it appear as clearly as they do today.
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>>101278335
Who cares about Japan
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>>101275824
would explain alot
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>>101278335

This. Japan (And therefore Anime) is fucked.
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>>101278396
>They crossed that line long ago and they aren't slowing down.

Why would they stop when people keep buying that shit
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>>101278335
I'll be fucking dead for years by that time, so why do I give a shit.
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>>101278518
>I'll be fucking dead
Why?
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>>101278544
Because I don't see myself living up to my 70's with my burgerlike lifestyle?
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>>101278544
>50 years

Not everyone here is 12 kiddo
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>>101278483
Because you can only sell so many Stacy Malibus NOW WITH NEW HAT before people find out?
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>>101278518

Ok, well production will probably slow down quite a bit in the next 15 - 30 years and come to a near halt in another 10 - 20.
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I thought it was common knowledge now that the article was mistranslated.

What the fuck are we bitching about?
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>>101278582
Stop eating shit and take care of your body you miserable faggot.
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>>101278582
But what about SCIENCE?
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>>101275402
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>>101278588

>Not living to 100
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>>101278614
I'm not sure if you're being retarded on purpose or you juts can't read.

People ARE STILL buying that shit, why would they stop now?
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>>101278422
It really wasn't. Of course in the past films like Citizen Kane were mainstream.
It's a different problem. Mainstream audience is getting dumber.
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>>101278642
Nigger, do you even hedonism?
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>>101278588
No, but most everyone here is 20. 70 is still well within his life expectancy unless he lives in some African shithole.
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Stop linking ANN. Also, they completely changed the meaning of his words.
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He's right. I could write an essay but the short reason is because of the shiteaters who prefer to argue over who has best waifu than enjoy a decent story.

>B-but anime isn't supposed to have good story!

And you're the shiteater I'm referring to.
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>>101278588
70-80 is not difficult fatty
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>>101278124
This
I still hold this standard today and I refuse to watch, let alone buy anything that has this type of fanservice or anything that is desperately trying to shove fanservice down my throat. If I wanted to fap, I would've watched porn.
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>>101277284
>i never seen a miyazaki film, let me defend him anyways
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>>101275402
oh shut up
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>>101278663
I wouldn't want to

Living to the point of having trouble just standing up and walking around would be more suffering than death
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>>101278633
How anime was oh so artistic and free before we were born and how it is now made for the evil money, just like people did in the generation before us and will do in the next.
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>>101278715
What kind of faggot prefers waifus over a good story?
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>>101278259
>artistic freedom

Few were capable of anything of actual value. You'd struggle to find a dozen OVA's worth watching outside of established franchises or creators.

The vast majority were trash. Most of the value back then was in the animation since the story telling and characters were just as bad if not worse than even the worst haremshit you get now.
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He's right, though. It's why we see the same horrible retarded cliches every time. It's why every show needs to have that "kyaa~ baka ecchi" guy-walks-in-on-girl-changing scene or whatever others you can think of. Those threads we have almost daily about greentexting shitty cliches? That's the reason they exist.

The people making anime right now are the people who grew up doing nothing but watching anime. A copy of a copy of a copy degrading to nothing. No one has any idea how people act, and before I get 50 people jumping down my throat with HURR NORMALFAGS there is a sliding fucking scale between sluts that fuck anything with genitalia and the kind of space alien behavior of half the girls you see these days. There is some kind of happy medium that can be made between the two extremes, something kawaii as shit that still manages to have the thought process of a rational human being instead of a series of stock archetypes strung along by the plot, which is the same damn plot you've had 15 times in the last year because the people writing these things do not have the capacity to imagine something outside of the preexisting framework.

The longer this goes on the more artificial it gets, the more forced and contrived and unnatural the actions, characters and plots get, and the more even the most hardened indiscriminate moe lover starts to wonder what the fuck is going on.

But at this point it's all but impossible to break the cycle because the target audience is already conditioned to expect the same shitty cliches to the point where they get upset if anything breaks the mold. And they're the ones calling the shots, because with such an insular market they're the only ones buying.
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Remember to report and move along. There are a lot of reddit users in this thread.
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>>101278783
Most otaku. I doubt they care that much about the story.
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>>101278783
The majority of /a/?
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>>101278735
>I have no arguments, I can only insult my interlocutor, but let me make a comment anyways!
How about, instead of questioning my credibility, you present arguments as to why Miyazaki "only copies Disney in all his movies".
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>>101278698
>thinking everyone in the first-world countries are perfectly healthy, fit, topnotch mental condtition

Why are even on /a/, mr. Perfect?
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>>101278783
If /a/, the supposed "elite" community of anime viewers can have such a high percentage of haremshit viewers than you know it must be way worse in Japan.
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>>101278678
Because eventually people would, SHOULD, realize they're buying the same shit they bought long ago with a new coat of paint. And sometimes without.
Then they wouldn't buy anymore.

Wouldn't that be a glorious day?
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>>101278614
Yes, and then they will start making new stuff until we hate it.
It's the same with Hollywood and superhero movies.
Should I remind you that they made so many shitty Gundam clones that people grew tired of the whole Mecha genre?
Everything becomes shit once it overstays its welcome.
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>>101278730
I take it you've only watched Gundam, at most only a few episodes? Old shit had tons of fanservice, especially 80s/90s stuff.
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The misuse of the word "autism" always triggers my autism-fits.
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>>101278693
>not fulfilling happiness through maintaining a strong healthy body
Quality of life all around goes up when you don't feel pain from getting out of your seat.
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>>101276859
Idiot.
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>>101278219
>But you can't deny that music, games, movies in this day and age are made for the masses.

Yes, mostly Hollywood movies. It happens to any medium that gets popular enough to make big cash.
But how many movies have you actually watched that didn't have big commercials everywhere? Movies that aren't just Hollywood shit?
There are a lot of them, try for example cinema that isn't Hollywood. It's not watered down at all. There are a lot of movies to choose from for everyone.

Also, are you telling me that anime is different? Yes there are really good anime made with passion, but there are anime who are also made for bland, boring otaku masses. See shit like Infinite Stratos? Are you telling me that series has "heart and passion" put into it?
No, it's just cute girls with archetype personalities drawn in various situation and one MC with hardly any personality which they all somehow love.
It's made to sell, and it sells. It's not intended for "normals" but that doesn't mean it has value.

Anime like that, even if it's for die-hard fans, is same as your shitty generic hollywood made to sell. Both works hardly have any merit and just want to rack in some cash.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it? Bullshit, of course you can, it doesn't make you a shitty person. Everyone like to unwind with those things. But claiming movies as a medium don't have the heart and passion anime has is quite stupid.
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>>101278861
You ARE posting on /a/. What else could you be?
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>>101278894

How meta.
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>>101278878
You're dreaming buddy

Hell, some people realize it's generic shit but still buy it
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>>101278896
I think you forgot you are on /a/. This board isn't exactly full of people finding comfort in the outside.
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>>101278791
>You'd struggle to find a dozen OVA's worth watching outside of established franchises or creators.
I honestly think that it's better this way, since you develop taste. You know what to chose, you know what you like, and all that, instead of having to chose what little you are given.
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>Moeshit
>Haremshit

I don't know how tumbrl-tier idiots like this got on /a/.
But take this post as a reminder to get the fuck out of here.
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The word "generic" doesn't mean "something I dislike".
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>>101278990
Go outside and find a real waifu, faggot.
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>>101278990
They came from /u/ and /v/.
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>>101278878
The thing is those rip off of a ripoff haremshit series you're talking about? They don't fucking sell. They're pretty much a way to write off marketing costs for the LN they're based on. If they get lucky and it actually turns a profit, so much the better.
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>>101278808
First off, the article is misquoted. He was talking about chreography and character animation.

Secondly, all sorts of art are always filled with the same dumb cliches. People complain just as much about, say, screaming "NOOOO" in movies or coats blowing in the wind or British villains. It's not unique to anime.

Finally, there's just as much good, quality anime being produced today, I'd say at a greater rate than past anime. It's just that people lose perception of time, and group all the good anime from the past into one category, without realizing that those gems are spread over a 40 year period, and the rate at which they come out is actually slower than innovative anime today.
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>>101278956

Don't use IS as an example. Everyone here outside of a few trips and waifufags agree it is complete garbage.
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>>101279049
Make me, faggot.
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>>101278783
Unfortunately, the faggots who support the industry. Which makes it continue to churn shit that ignores any resemblance of plot in favor of waifus.

It's a circle.
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The industry only has another 30 years left in it. And it shall remain property of waifufags until it's demise.
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>>101279094
It's the first thing I thought of.
It sells well and yet it's riddled with cliches.

It's not so different than your typical shitty Hollywood movie that somehow sells extremely great.
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>>101279049
There's disease and murderers out there
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>>101278881
>Everything becomes shit once it overstays its welcome.
Haremshit has long since done that, and yet it lingers. Worse, it thrives.
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>>101277683
>>101279097

Oh look, it's the same guy trying furiously to establish superiority of the reality.

Retards like you are what keep me at home. I'm just to afraid that my intelligence would drop harder than a dubstep baseline.
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>>101279172
And fujoshi. Just how it's always been then.
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>>101277139
>>101276440
>>101276651
>>101276864
>>101276943


No, Marvel is changing all of that right now with the Marvel films. They are attracting all kinds of normal fags and getting that dirty BlockBuster holywood money. Fuck, even DC is trying to copy them.


Anime industry isn't doing shit like that yet and if they wait to late they won't have enough resources to pull it off.
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>>101279172
>waifufags
Hopefully /u/ will take over.
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>>101279109
You could say that about any media. The dominance of dumb rom-com movies prevent good stuff from being made, or that stupid thriller novels prevent good books from being published. Its true in all industries.
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>>101278884
I'm mostly into mecha, yes. Sure, the old shit did have fanservice, but it's worse nowadays when you can't even watch a single episode of most of anime without some slut shoving tits, "accidently" making poses, or just being "romantic" and hanging around the MC's neck all the time.
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>>101279198
>Haremshit
Get out of here.
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>>101279225
Yeah, because shit like Sakura Trick is so much better than you average harem.
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>>101279092
>Finally, there's just as much good, quality anime being produced today, I'd say at a greater rate than past anime.

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>>101275402
What kind of comparaison is that?
>The problem with the USA is it's full of Americans
>The problem with your mom is it's full of cocks
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>>101279260

But it really is.
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We've already discussed this at length. Every single argument and opinion has already been covered.

http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101245848
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101230536
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101222030
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>>101279204
Oh, so you are one of us, the beings with superior intellect who are afraid to get out because their IQ might drop?

In that case sir, I tip my fedora to you.
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>>101279231
Nah.
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>>101279209
Who cares, Marvel and DC is shit and always was shit
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>>101279295
/v/ and reddit fags always repeat topics until oblivion.
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>>101279292
girls kiss every episode, epic xD
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>>101279260
It is, though.
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>>101279204
You sure are some special snowflake eh?
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>>101279325
Go be a retard somewhere else then.
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>>101275402
Wasn't this a confirmed mistranslation yesterday and purposely so for clickbait?
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>>101279295
>Every single argument and opinion has already been covered
Prove it
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>>101279372

Let's not do that, ok?
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>>101279328
Yes but the movies are good and fun to watch and super successful. They are single handedly saving the comic industry.

Meanwhile anime is dying.
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>>101279319
>fedora

You can go back to tumblr now, I wonder why haven't I figured you came from there by the look of your casuality spreading all over the place.
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>>101279292
>>101279377
Hahahahahaa. Oh shit. This is riduclous.
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>>101279209
> They are attracting all kinds of normal fags and getting that dirty BlockBuster holywood money.

And still nobody fucking buys any comics books. The superhero movie genre has done nothing for comics, and is essentially a failure. It's completely different markets.
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>>101279295
People are still not living their lives correctly, it is my mission to inform them that they are wrong.
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>>101279260
What the fuck did you just fucking say about Sakura Trick, you little bitch?
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>>101279319
>Fedora shit
Get the fuck out of here.
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>>101279372
>relationship
>no bland self-insert characters
>it's cute
>fanservice doesn't feel vulgar and forced
>it has a very catchy OP
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>>101279429

It's only ridiculous if it bombs and yuri falls back into obscurity.
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>>101279092
I'm not saying they're getting worse, I'm saying they're getting more and more the same. There will always be people very good at what they do capable of nailing the execution.

But things are approaching some sort of horrible singularity. I'm not saying anime as a medium is doomed, it's just headed for a crunch. There's this incredible disconnect from reality present in the vast majority of works being produced, and yes I know >reality >anime
but you have to base it off fucking something. They're still supposed to be people, right? Or robot alien maids that try to act like people, or whatever. There needs to be some basis for their actions or else the audience will throw things at the TV. Think of how many shows you've seen lately that have had completely retarded plot developments cause by completely illogical actions, even given dumbass teenagers in love/people who don't know any better.

Yes, again, that happens in everything, Sturgeon's Law, etc. etc. but it seems to be coming up more and more frequently. Even if that's just my perception, warped by the passage of time and the fact I wasn't watching anime in the 60s, it's still a serious problem NOW, even it's it's not getting worse.
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>>101279319
This post offends me as a proud male feminist
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>>101279442
It's nothing but cute girls kissing. That's literally it. Why can't you faggots just enjoy it for what it is instead of pretending that it's a profound work?
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This guy is fucking right. In my childhood, when we were growing with Dragon Ball, Slayers, Captain Tsubasa etc., we used to collect stickers for DBZ albums and cards, were fighting pretending that we are Goku, Vegeta or whateva, we were spending with kids time together face-to-face playing fucking Pokemons on GB and GBC. And nowadays?

Typical Anime Fan (Otaku) of /a/

>believes he is married to an IMAGE
>believes IMAGE reciprocate feels
>he's kissing an IMAGE
>he's talking with an IMAGE pretending in his own mind IMAGE responds or directly portrays character of IMAGE by talking to himself like he was an IMAGE
>he's hugging an IMAGE
>he's jacking off to an image (okay, normal people do that too)
>he's sleeping with an IMAGE
>he's trying to feed the IMAGE or make it drink
>some of them seriously marry the image (depends where you live you might be allowed to do that shit)

In all seriousness, as long as I like anime in general and stuff, since it was part of my childhood, I wouldn't dare to meet any of you irl.
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Some of the greatest anime ever have been made by Otaku
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>>101279422
>>101279457


Truth hurts.
But maybe I am wrong, maybe you are really interesting and attractive human being with superior intellect who have just chosen to stay home and interact only with 4chan.
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>>101278259
>artistic freedom

You mean having to make things to sell VHS tapes.
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>>101279538
Who is even talking about that?
All you are doing is trying to use an epic maymay as a strawman.
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>>101279396
It's true. You just don't watch enough films. Non-Hollywood industry is pretty big.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/we-rank-the-100-most-anticipated-films-of-2014-the-best-films-of-the-2014-20140102
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>>101279419

The comics industry is dying. The movies barely do anything to grow their actual readerbase.

Anime is getting bigger every year.
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>>101279538

Don't forget my level 60 Elin in Tera Online. I'm known by everyone on the servers.


Seriously, just fuck off.
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>/v/ and reddit mad because not all anime is like Cowboy Bebop.

Every time, now report this shit and move along.
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>>101279074
But there's a harem in pretty much every season that makes it big.
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He's right though.

Otaku are responsible for every 8 out of 10 anime ever season being haremshit/pedopandering/nothing happens.
They are the ones who buy it, so of course the industry will try to appeal to them.
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>>101279292
Nothing wrong with enjoying it, but it's nothing more than a pandering yuri anime.
Characters don't really act like human beings.
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>>101279538
Saying other people are uninteresting doesn't mean I consider myself better, all the more reason to stay inside.
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>>101279565
Among other things, yes. They had fun while doing these shows while getting the paycheck. Now it's just a piss-poor paycheck with shit staff and everything seems like a fucking drag to them.
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>>101279693

>Characters don't really act like human beings.

Wow, just like nearly every other anime ever made.
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>>101279532
The characters on /a/, man, I would befriend the shit out of people here
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>>101279630
Same with your "get out of /a/ if you don't agree with the hugbox"
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>>101279653
>>>/v/
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>>101275402
He's right about the artistic aspect of anime, but wrong about the business aspect. Without otaku, I don't think anime would be any better off financially.
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>>101279657
That's a downright lie, harmes more often than not end up on the lower end of the charts.
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ONLY anime has cliches and archetypes.
Only anime has productions made primarily to sell.
Only anime has productions that are not serious mature works of art.
Only anime has a niche fanbase.

Since only anime has these problems, the source must be anime fans.
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>>101279693
Video game characters hardly act like human beings.
Movie characters hardly act like human beings.
Tv shows characters hardly act like human beings.

Are there exceptions? Yes. Doesn't mean a show has to be %100 realist to be good. Now get the fuck out.
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>>101279372
Meanwhile, in your average harem:
>twelve episodes of cocktease
>open end
And all surrounding an eyesore character.
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>>101279737

I pity you because you have wasted a lot of time.
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>>101279657
Name 5 harem for every year for the past 5 that has sold above 10,000 units.
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>>101278652
TANKRED ENDURES

>>101279295
What is the outcome, oh wise man?
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>>101279809
And you are comparing shit to shit.
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>>101279750
>I would befriend the shit out of people here
Now when you say befriend...
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Has /a/ been invaded by SRS?
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>>101279770

Please stop being new.
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>>101279209

Why would anyone care? Most big Hollywood blockbusters barely make any money.

Look at MoS, a giant expensive superhero blockbuster.

It cost 300 million $, made 700 million. About 60% of that goes to the studio meaning they made around 100 million $.

Meanwhile Madoka made 400 million $. With a budget of maybe 1-2 million.

Hollywood movies are ridiculously expensive. To the point they barely turn any profit even if they make hundreds of millions of $ in box office. Megahits like Avengers are super rare. Giant flops like Lone Ranger are more common.

Besides, the largest and most profitable western franchise, Star Wars, makes around 1.5 billion $ a year.

While Pokemon makes a billion every year. PreCure and One Piece around 650-700 million $ a year. Gundam 400-500 million.

That's without risking over 200 million $ on a movie that can be a flop.
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>>101279732

Prove everybody had fun making OVAs and everyone hates making anime now.
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>>101279762
But you aren't proving any point, you argument is as solid as theirs.
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>>101279867
Just report every Miyazaki thread. /v/, reddit and Tumbrl likes to say words like "moeshit - haremshit" on this kind of threads.
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I want /v/ and reddit to fuck off already.
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>>101279859
He means fuck the shit out of
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>>101279877
>>>/v/
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>>101279198
>Worse, it thrives.

Wrong, 3/4 of haremshit sells like crap.
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>>101279791
In seasons saturated with them, it's inevitable some of them will drop.
It's also inevitable some of them will top.
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People who get into the anime industry do it because THEY LIKE ANIME. It's an extremely tough job to do. The same as being a mangaka. No one decides to do a job where they can only sleep for about 10 hours a week for the hell of it.
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>>101279867
It's ironic, since /a/ acts exactly like SRS.

>If you don't agree with my opinion, get the fuck out, go back to reddit.

>If you have any kind of social life, get the fuck out normalscum, back to tumblr and reddit


Face it /a/, you are nothing different than SRS and Reddit.

You are just another hugbox community.

But the good thing is, I can't get downvoted here or disliked or whatever those sites uses so you losers can scream as much as you want
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>>101279942
And yet they still make them. But finally they pander to me. This year will be great for yuri.
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>>101279532
>in my childhood
>and nowaday
You realise that time passed for other human beings besides yourself, too, right?
Or do you think that all 10 years old children are now on /a/ instead of playing cards with each other?
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>>101280004

/a/ just wants people who shit on things they don't like all day long to fuck off. Look at /v/, we don't want it to become like that. We like romcoms, harem and yuri. We don't the board full of retards telling us they hate it and why the industry should cater to them.
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>>101280019
>And yet they still make them
Because they works as ads for the manga or LN they're adapted from. Most anime these days is the same thing as those infomercials you see on late night TV in the US.
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>>101279909

Actually this thread and the ones before were full of /co/fags and tripfags talking about how great comics are (even Nu-52), how moeshit has killed anime, etc
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>>101280004
You think I'm going to let you get away with this post
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>>101275402
>the problem
There isn't any problem. Just like video games never had a problem until retarded feminist liberals became involved. I wish people would stop trying to ruin mediums in the sake of "fixing it"

If you want anime without all the otaku, just go watch cartoons.
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>>101280004
Nice b8
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>>101279532
Also

>self-inserts into that character IMAGE has an actual in-universe crush on
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>>101280004
Stop replying to these kinds of posters, bet they are the same shitposters pretending to be plebbit elsewhere.
Remember, if you feed them, they'll thrive.
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>>101280092

Most anime back then were commercials for mecha toys, or for OVAs, the manga series they were adapted from. Now OVA's has become the late night market.

Nothing has actually changed.
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But the problem of catering to a "mainstream" casual audience instead of a core fanbase is being seen in the video game industry. Cheap, utter trash shovelware on mobiles is making a killing right now BUT IT'S ALL SHIT. SHIIIIIIIIIIT.

Pandering to the mouthbreathing masses creates a different, yet equally fatal, cancer. You can't one-size-fits-all this shit.
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>>101280094
>even Nu-52
/co/ believes that shit is good? Every comicfag I know has done nothing but whine about it whenever comics come up.
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Hide and move along.

From now, let /v/ bore themselves posting how "moeshit and haremshit killed cowboy bebop dude"
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>>101275402
>the problem with anime is the people who like anime
Go die already you old cunt
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>>101280092
>these days
If you mean since forever then yes.
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>>101280092
>ads for the manga or LN
It has been that way since ever. Only now they're offensively bad, though.
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>>101280186
I'd say the format shift from OVA to late night TV is a pretty big change, even if the intent behind the productions remains the same.
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>>101275978
>In Japan, the overwhelming favorite is Rei. They can't handle strong women such as Misato and Asuka
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Name 5 harem for every year for the past 5 that has sold above 10,000 units.

Someone answer this.
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>>101280092
>These days
>>101280259
>Only now
AHAHA
HAHAHA
HAHAHA
Goddamn, just watch Roots Search and Mars of Destruction already.
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>>101280263
Yeah, we actually get to see more than one chapter/volume adapted these days.
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>>101280259
>Only now they're offensively bad
>only now
Sure thing, bro. We all know what a wonder the Gunnm OVA was and how it wasn't complete shit that fucked over the story of the first two volumes of the manga.
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>>101280259

Yes, now all anime is fucking shit. Before, it was all amazing.
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Remember to hide and ignore this kind of threads.
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>>101280293
No spoonfeeding.
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miyazaki is right.

Computer animation techniques have kida ruined animes today. not in terms of story and shit but he is talking about animation itself.

just look how pretty human movements are in miyazaki's work. and compare to the slideshow shitfest we mostly get today.
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IS2 sold 15 000 BDs last season.

And people think the animation industry is fine.
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>>101280488
Most of your chinese cartoons are still drawn by hand, silly.
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>Old anime is so much better than new
Anime has had the same quality since the 80s. The ratio of shit to good shows is exactly the same. The ratio of SOLshit /harem shit to deep shit is the same. Some people do not seem to understand this.
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>>101280514
Now name 4 more from 2013.
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>>101280488
That's mostly a budget issue though. Good animation requires spending more than the loose chance you find in the couch. If you threw the budget of a Miyazaki film at a TV anime, you'd get something that looks gorgeous.
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>>101280514

Now name 5 more harem shows that have done just as well that have aired in the past 5 years.
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>>101280514
And high sales are a problem because...?
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>>101280624
Because IS is objectively shit.
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>>101280624
I think the problem is that 15,000 is considering high sales.
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First and foremost, people seem to forget that anime is just a medium to tell a story. Now it's being flanderized to the point when it's just cliches. It's sad really.
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>>101275402
He is true and I hope you guys rot like your dead animation genre
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>>101280624
Because IS2 (Infinite Stratos 2, not to be confused with Iosif Stalin 2, the WW2 tank) is shit.

Miyazaki pumps out masterpieces which are then matched in terms of sales by garbage flagrant otaku pandering like IS2 or OreImo.
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Anime wouldn't have tropes, cliches, archetypes, cute things, harems, romances, comedies, SOL's, "THAT", twists, yurilust, homolust, schoolgirls, beach anime-ish character designs, colourful hair, and all the other shit that makes anime terrible, if it wasn't made and consumed by fucking NERDS.

If anime was made by normals who hate anime, we would have realistic, deep, mature, philosophical, intellectual sci-fi and cyberpunk we've all been waiting for! You know, like how anime used to be, before Kyoani invented moey with K-ON, and turned anime into a commercialized profit driven industry, instead of the free, inventive, independent artform that it was before.
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>>101280674
>>101280739
No such thing as objective criteria. I'd like to see your _subjetive_ points criticfriends.

Not even an ISfag, just curious.
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>>101280739

>IS
>matching Miyazaki million sellers
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>>101280710
>Now

Tell me when it wasn't full of cliches. And prove it.
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>>101280623
Haganai, IS1, DxD...

I'm not that well-versed in harem anime. But those are all relatively new.
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>>101280781
Terrible directing, shitty animation, unlikeable cast, generally ugly art direction.
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>>101277117
what writers? all anime is adapted from novels now so 90% of the writing is done for them
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>>101275608
It's the same fucking thing.
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>>101280488
>and compare to the slideshow shitfest we mostly get today.
>Today

Have you never watched an old televised anime made with cels? You realize anime is far better animated today than it's ever been? "Computer animation techniques" didn't invent slideshows you fucking retard, and everything's still hand drawn.

Why are you all such fucking idiots? Why? Why? Why the fuck are you comparing a Miyazaki FEATURE FILM to fucking television productions? And actually thinking shows from the 60s, 70s, and 80s had more animation overall?
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>>101280843
Clicks the right buttons for the fanbase.
Nothing you can really do about it besides economically supporting anime you like.
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>>101280710

Well everything eventually is, the longer it goes on. but over the last 5 years, It's gotten worse IMO.

Although a shit ton of new anime do come out every year.
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>>101280990

I deserve the right to shittalk about "the industry" and Japanese fans for not supporting things I like, even though I don't support them either.
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>>101280710
>now
>muh nostalgia
It has always been this way.
The thing is only the good things stay in memory.
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>>101281063
Free speech for a free market!
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>>101281072
I can't really agree. I don't know that much about anime but everything is changing. And there are better and worse decades for every industry.
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>>101278884
yes but the fanservice never dominated the plot. the MC of ghost in the shell had her ass out the whole time but there was never any scenes of her accidentally falling on dudes crotches.
in SEED there was the scenes where Flay and the MC were clearly banging but they never had a 5 minute closeup on her tits, you'd jsut see her naked under covers on a bed or something
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He is right

The current anime industry is about making a moeshit character and waste all focus on her so that those assburger would buy those dumb figurines and masterbate.They just pander to the toy masterbators.

Anime stopped being about good animation and story, it's just degeneracy now
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>>101276244
I know, right?
Also popular things are shit.
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>"But he's totally right, guys."
>Anime used to be better
>Anime used to not have any cliches
>Anime used to all be completely original and unique from each other
>Anime used to all have better writing
>Anime used to have more realistic art styles
>Anime used to have more realistic characters and plots
>Anime used to be better animated
>Anime used to made purely for love, never for money

All of these threads have been nothing more than idiots and trolls repeating this shit over and over and over, and never being able to prove it.
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>>101281299
Sentences start with a capital letter.
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>>101281246
> I don't know that much about anime

Then don't pretend you have an informed opinion about it.
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>>101281246
>>101281333
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>>101276412
>Miyazaki criticizes Kaguya Hime for being too emotionally manipulative
>Tomino criticizes SnK for killing it's characters too often
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>>101281299

GITS did have some blatant "hot half-naked girl kicks ass" fanservice. It also had "cyberpunk" fanservice. It also had "detective" fanservice.

See where I'm going with this?

>>101281333

Another shit troll post. All worded and formatted exactly the same, with the same opinion.
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>>101281453
Different kind of moe/kawaii. Sorry, but even I know that back then LN romcoms weren't that popular. Same with 4koma adaptations about 4 girls and their clubs (but I like these).
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>>101281333
Kill la kill is actually a commentary on this and the degeneration of culture in general. Unfortunately it seems like no one learned anything from Welcome to the NHK so I doubt anyone will learn this time.
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>>101276412
>Yoshiyuki Tomino

>I was very upset when I saw Evangelion, because it was apparent to me that the people who made it weren't thinking at all about making fun for or gaining the sympathy of the audience. Instead they tried to convince the audience to admit that everybody is sick, practically in the middle of a nervous breakdown, all the time.

>I don't think you should show things like that to everybody. It's not entertainment for the masses--it's much more interested in admitting that we're all depressed nervous wrecks, I thought. It was a work that told people it was okay to be depressed, and it accepted the psychological state that said if you don't like the way the world works, then it's okay to just pick up a gun and attack someone.

>I don't think that's a real work of art. When people see that, they begin to realize they are the same way. I think that we should try to show people how to live healthier, fuller lives, to foster their identity as a part of their community, and to encourage them to work happily until they die. I can't accept any work that doesn't say that.

>Animerica: Is that different from your downbeat endings?

>Tomino: I make sure my audience knows it's fiction and that what happens to my characters doesn't necessarily say anything about their own lives. [Animerica magazine (Vol 8 #2, March 2000)
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>>101281395
>grammar nazi on 4chan
fuck off
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>>101281579
Sure, there is the one thing you can blame Kadokawa on, but its predecessor were the greatest.
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>>101281640
Episode 16 was a commentary on otaku's dicks.
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>>101281708
You are not on /v/
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>>101281579

There is no actual difference between manga romcom adaptations and LN romcom adaptations. Do you think Urusei Yatsura is any different from "magical girl falls out of the sky, silly gags and fanservice forever!" we get today? And that was 35 years ago.
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>ITT: Butthurt idiots
He is complaining that the people in the anime industry are all otaku, not the consumers. Are you all fucking retarded? On another note, how can you be proud of being an "otaku", you're all just hipster fags.
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>>101281718
not like*
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>>101281567
>GITS did have some blatant "hot half-naked girl kicks ass" fanservice. It also had "cyberpunk" fanservice. It also had "detective" fanservice.

See where I'm going with this?

no, i don't see where you're going. the scenes with half naked chicks fighting is a fights cene in a episode, i don't remember in the scene where the major fights 2 cyborg chicks that their clothes get torn off/make sex poses or ass zoom ins. it was just a fight scene where they happened to be half naked.the reason for the scene was the fight itself, with fanservice being an addition, not the other way around.

also what is "cyberpunk" and "detective" fanservice? the setting of the show? settings aren't fanservice. and neither are genres.
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>>101281789
neither are you faggot
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>>101281906
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He's right! I can tell anime is bad because I don't like any of it, even though I haven't watched any new shows in a decade since Cowboy Beepboop. All anime nowadays has girls in them (girly stuff is for gays) and everything is drawn so anime-ey, and they don't even fucking speak english. I mean, really, how anime can you get? Everyone knows the only good anime are anime which isn't anime.

I'm going to go back to my comic books, videogames, sitcoms, and movies, where everything is original and never rely on cliches, and are never made by fans of the medium.
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>>101281906
>>101282038
Oh the fall of the mighty.
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>>101282104
inb4 this get serious replies
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>>101281801
Yes, different setting, artstyle and so on.
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>>101276811
no normalfag ever watches sol. they go from naruto to SnK to Hellsing and feel proud of watching EVA
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>>101281957
They are.
Just like there are otaku that want sexual fanservice there are gun otaku, cyberpunk otaku, etc.
Cowboy Bebop was a fanservice show, and it sold damn well.
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>>101282025
Exactly, so you should stop typing like underage retard.
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>>101281957

Fanservice is anything that pleases a fan.

If you mean sexual fanservice, then your argument is also invalid, because there was plenty of sexual fanservice with boobs and nudity shoved in the screen back then too, and rarely with any motive other than to be sexy:
http://i.imgur.com/ARupAWm.jpg

And learn how to write properly. You're not in a chatroom or on /v/.
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>>101277099
how many anime from the previous years would you have left to watch?
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>>101276755
a lot of normalfags watch SnK and Kuroshitsu
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>>101282038
Anyone have the huge image of old fanservice?
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>>101282158
> different setting
You mean urban/school with some magic/scifi?

>artstyle
Lots of shows nowadays have different artstyles too.
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>>101281906
Miyazaki is right. The naked underage girls in anime were much better back when the people drawing them were basing them off of real naked little girls.
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>>101279471
I thought we were talking about Sakura Trick.
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>>101276755

This is the mentality pseudo-normals have about anime. You can be certain that Miyzaki's words "resonated" with these kinds of halfassed morons who want more edgy shounen cliches and fanservice instead of "moeshit" cliches.

>>101282332

I posted it in the imgur above. I don't wanna risk getting banned for it.
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He's right. Anime would likely be more popular if anime characters had realistic thoughts and behavior. However, for people like me who "don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans" I hope this aspect of anime remains the same.
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>>101280204
They whine because they hate change
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>>101277533
shut your whore mouth
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>>101282723

Maybe if it wasn't so often about stuff like fucking your little sister who is actually a boy with cat ears who cosplays every upside.
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He's right to a degree. When any industry that deals with entertainment panders and or targets one specific group repeatedly,it tends to get stagnant. Theres not much they can do though, Otakus are a gold mine and these guys need to sell.
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>>101283074
>>101282723

Popular things that normals like do not have any more integrity or 'realism'. They like Transformers, Family Guy, Call of Duty, and The Big Bang Theory.
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>>101275402
>water is wet and the sky is blue
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>>101283074
Oh no, I guess you're just going to have to watch the 30 other shows each season that aren't what you just described.
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>>101283081
They really aren't a goldmine though, but they are the only reliable demographic the studios have.
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>>101283176 this
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>>101276904
>I loved Servant x Service.
>loving literal forced romance
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>>101283081

Otakus don't have that much gold. But mainstream audiences don't have much either, not for animation. Animation is for kids and has a big stigma around it everywhere. You would have the same situation like with some western casuals who only want more Cowboy Bebops and will never -EVER- try anything else that isn't exactly like it, or for Japanese ones who like Doraemon and maybe an old mecha they liked as a kid. Neither are real consumers.

To make a lot of successful good accessible 'normal' gateway series that would open the floodgates for more normal fans, would take a ton of money and effort and risks that I'm not sure the industry is strong enough to pull off. Not even Pixar with it's billions and billions has been able to do fucking shit for that. There has been attempts before with government funding to help anime programming, but they've generally all failed.
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>>101275402
How many times has your thread been deleted in the past 24 hours? This should tell everyone in this thread something.

No one cares what an old man says about manchild cartoons.
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>>101283698
>>101283361
When i said gold mine, I mean they're the only ones who consistently buy things compulsively
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>that ANN thread

Ahahaha
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>>101279225
now you're just being mean, /a/non-kun
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>>101275822
>the last movie was a hit
>irrelevant
Why are you doing this?
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>>101275402
He also hates videogames and loves feminists.
Just Saiyan.
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>>101277331
This.
>>101277325
Because Anime is not Movie, retard, difference is good for faggots like you.
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>>101280233
Yes, it is, because you don't want difference and change in it.
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The most vocal industry people are always the ones with the shittiest opinions.
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>>101285849
He likes feminists? How do you figure?
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>>101286027
>if you dont agree with mine,then your opinion is shitty
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>>101275402
But he's right.
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>>101286214
Back to /v/ with your amazing arguments.
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>>101277517
theres also one piece but the anime is shit and the manga, while very good, is a typical shonen
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He's right and the problem with anime industry is that for a certain genre (let's say romance), it doesn't matter how good the writing, animation or voice acting is...

If this romantic anime has more than 1 male MC(i.e competition), and some of the female casts aren't "young sweet virgins", it's not going to do well in selling.

It doesn't matter if it's incredible. Otakus watch anime for escapism.

The problem with anime is that it's pandering to mentally ill people.
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>>101286728
You're trying to hard to fit in.
Also you say that as if you had an amazing argument yourself
All you said was
>I dont like what he said so its shitty!
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>>101279012
No, it means lacking an identity.
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>>101286773
>If this romantic anime has more than 1 male MC(i.e competition), and some of the female casts aren't "young sweet virgins", it's not going to do well in selling.
The problem is while this is widely believed, it's also objectively wrong. As in sales data does not back up the statement.
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You wouldn't summon a Tarmogoyf hologram on your friends.
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>>101286893
10 years ago that statement was wrong. But it's not the case today. Look at the BD sales for Nagi no asukara. It's clearly got the best writing in last season and this season. It's not doing that well...
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The problem with the anime industry is that there are too many niwaka, not otaku.

Niwaka are the ones demanding shitty shows with shitty gimmicks layered on top. Otaku by nature will prefer works of higher quality. The trouble is that otaku are a minority of anime fans and the niwaka are a majority.

Also Miyazaki said something similar to this about a year ago. He's right when he says that you need to see something to really be able to draw it. You can't make good music about strife if you've never experienced it.
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>>101287276
And you think if otaku dissapeared forever it would inmediately sell more?
Get a fucking grip of reality.
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Being an otaku doesn't imply having less life experiences, being an antisocial person or lack observation skills.
Seems to me he's just rationalizing the fact his recent (mediocre) works are better received in the west.
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>>101287276
>It's clearly got the best writing in last season and this season.
The sad part is there are people who think this. But more the the point, it's not actually doing worse than the series you describe. Its sales are only slightly less than outbreak company, which was fairly decent for a harem.
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ANN forums became a real dive, looks like people from /a/ invaded and made it their home.
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>>101287799
Miyazaki is generally talking about the animators not getting out too much, and at the same time, the majority of them are otaku. They are also apparently not up to par with what Miyazaki wants done in animation, as they inflict what they want done themselves, which is usually moe.

Then again, Miyazaki's perspective could be coming from the old senile hipster characteristic skewing his view of things.
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>>101287799
>Seems to me he's just rationalizing the fact his recent (mediocre) works are better received in the west.
He's complaining about the people working in the industry, not the consumers, so that doesn't make any sense.
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>>101288060

There's no problem with 'otaku' running the industry.

Back before there was any TV anime or OVAs as we know them today, you had to be dedicated to animation to actually produce a show about it. You had to be an animation otaku to get involved in making a show like Yamato into a reality.

In this respect, 'Otaku' have been part of the industry since the beginning. Social stigma aside, Miyazaki could probably be considered an 'animation otaku' of sorts too.

The reality is that 'otaku' changed. In the late 80s otaku were looked down upon, then in 2004 they were celebrated - then looked down upon and now they're celebrated again.

The issue is that the apple has fallen far from the tree. People don't equate being otaku to being a an anime freak, they equate it to being a certain type of person with certain traits and certain tastes - this is incorrect, these people are not otaku.

He is definitely correct that the current people in the industry are the reason for the decline in quality and creativity, but calling them otaku is only adding to the problem. It's giving a label misfits who happen to like animation can hide behind, not otaku.

What really needs to happen is that the word 'otaku' needs to vanish, because it's been meaningless for nearly decades. When we get rid of that word we get rid of the stereotypes that are attached to the so called 'otaku market' and the anime that are so tightly pigeonholed to fit it.
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>>101288569
True. Everything that happens in the industry isn't technically being ruined, but making an impact on how anime is being produced, perceived, etc, for better dynamic on the economy.

I do know the western audience has its issues with what comes out every other season within the recent years and seems to be more of a trend. Though, it doesn't matter to them what we think .



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