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Why do people like this hack so much?
I'm sure he is an alright guy but he is such an underwhelming writer.
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He's hot and cold, Psycho Pass was fucking shit but he did a good job on Gargantia.
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I don't know who he is
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101271452
>he did a good job on Gargantia
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>>101271410
When you read shit from Kinoko Nasu and then Fate/zero by Urobutchi, he seems like a competent writer. That's all there is to it.
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>>101271452
ww
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>>101271452
God, just kill yourself already.
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DON'T SAY NO!
JUST LIVE MORE!
DON'T SAY NO!
JUST LIVE MORE!
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He actually writes serious stories with realistic characters and realistic events that actually fit together nicely.
He isn't trying to be deep nor he is making otaku self-insert crap.
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>>101271843
SURVIVAL YOU GOT MOVE
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>>101271859
Madoka is realistic?
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>>101271975
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>>101271410

Alright OP, what you'r going to do is

1)shut the fuck up
2) Go torrent Saya No Uta
3) Play that shit over two sessions
4) Come back and bow to your senpai

Gen's not perfect but he has great turns (like any writer who tries their hand at different genres) like Saya, Fate/Z, Madoka.
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>>101271452
Good taste.
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>>101271975
>>101271843
>COME ON! DURIAN ARMS!
>MISTERRRRR DAAANGEROUS!
I don't know why I never watched any Kamen Rider until now.
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>>101272043
The characters and their motivations are. Along with their actions within the fantasy settings.
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>>101271410
anons think that a job well done once or twice absolves him from his misdeeds on other projects
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>>101271410
My opinion of him grew after Gaim , If he can also write good Toku then he's a good writer in my book.

also Fate/Zero and Madoka were good.
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>>101271710
That's a pretty good attempt a trolling two groups of people at the same time, good job anon.
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>>101272076
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only person capable of killing chararacters these days
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Nobody gives out the D better than him.
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>>101272094
>Madoka characters
>realistic
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UROBUTCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
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>>101271410
>Making a thread devoted a specific writer
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>>101272094
Haha.
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>>101272076
Zangetsu will never use his swagtastic not-energy melon armor again

;_;
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>>101272207
>>101272223
Oh? Well, you are wrong and I'm right.
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>>101272251
Yeah? Well, you're waifu is a whore.
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>>101272216
I hope when he's told that he killed Yuuya he doesn't break down, but says that he's had that thought in the back of his mind for a while.

>>101272234
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>>101272234
It's worth it to hear Kaiki saying 'sou~da'.
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>>101272270
I don't have a waifu.
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>>101271452
>Gargantia
>Good
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>>101272282
At this point it could go both ways.
Kouta will probably make the connection himself, but i doubt he'll be so calm about it.

I'm glad the Faiz-like identity problem of Zangetsu and Ryugen is going to be solved next episode
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>>101272626
That drove me nuts.
It's in the goddamn file. Everyone BUT Takatora knew.
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>>101272094
Sayaka is the only character with realistic motives. The other's barely have any.
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>>101272993
>Mami's motivation to not be alone
>Madoka's motivation to be useful
>Kyouko's motivation to have friends
>Homura's motivation to get out of the hellhole
I'm pretty sure you are supposed to watch something before you comment on it.
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He completely blows Nasu out of the water as a writer
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>>101272344
>>101271811
>>101271801
How could you enjoy enjoy the Gargantia ending? Chamber dying was sad as fuck.
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>>101272122
>If he can also write good Toku then he's a good writer in my book.
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>>101272158
More like making plot devices
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>>101273094
At least Nasu can make good concepts and world building while Urobuchi just plagiarizes from different series.
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>>101273102
I learned why people didn't like Gargantia and watched the first few episodes, then skipped to the reveal episode. Worth it.
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All he does is kill off plot device characters and have the main character suffer. It's generic as fuck. I mean, people think he invented killing characters and I'm sure someone like fucking Plato did it before anyone else.
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>>101273267
At least Urobotchi is aware of the concept of pacing and his stuff isn´t a massive chore to read.
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Fuck the haters. Here is a better idea.

Urobutcher is remaking your favorite harem. What level of suffering can you expect?
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>>101273105
writing good toku is hard.
Not only because it's a medium aimed for kids and hardcore fans (so writing something that doesnt scare away viewers and not make you feel you're watching something for kids at the same time is not exactly easy) and toku series go for 50 episodes or so. Few writers can keep up with 50 episodes straight, and even those who have decent writing skills fuck up on the middle points of the story and drags horribly.
There's also the thing you need to introduce the merchandising IN the show in a certain way/timing, which might limit how a writer can handle things.
So far, Gaim is well-written because:
-appeals to kids but doesn't feel kiddy
-has characters with strong personalities
-a story we've evidently haven't seen the best of
-the gimmicks and trinkets are introduced organically
-it's mostly character-driven and broke with the 2part episode other series were plagued with (not to mention the conflict is mostly Rider vs Rider instead of formulaic MONSTER OF THE WEEK)
All this points at a series that has been, so far, well written, in a medium known for being difficult to write for.
I doubt Gaim will have a mid-season drag. There's many plot points to be adressed and to be introduced i doubt they will resort to filler, but only time will tell.
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Basement dwellers are very desperate to proof they watch anime for the plot so they overhype the Urobutcher.
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>>101273059
Sayaka is the only one who acts realistically. Madoka and Homura in particular are extremely unrealistic in how they act; although Homura has her stupid time loop shit to explain her 'development' and obsession.

Butcher is not good at realism. He is good at worldbuilding and occasionally twists not much beyond that.
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>>101273624
There is nothing unrealistic about Madoka's actions. Her motivations are properly explained and explored. It is one of the big points of the show
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>>101273441
>Tenchi Muyo! GXP/Zero

>MC has infinite bad luck
>Pirates that torture captives
>Best Girl is a trained assassin
>Shank is a murder happy Psycho
>Runner up is an enemy turn-coat
>MC constantly used by GXP


Suffering Level? ∞
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How well he's handling Gaim has really bumped up my respect for him.
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Saya no Uta and Madoka were great which has mostly discouraged people from being put off by the rest of his works not being very good.
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>>101273267
>plagiarizes
By your definition everyone does that. Do you know how creativity works? No one does anything new. What sets a work apart isn't the pieces it uses--because they've all been used before. No, it's like a lego set. It's the beauty of the finished work that's important.
Same with melody and chord progression in music. There's only so much you can do with those things--you'll never truly be doing anything new just with them. It's how you use harmonization, instruments, etc. that sets your work apart.

That said, Urobuchi's work incorporates interesting themes that aren't often explored outside of classical literature. Gargantia's sytem was an interesting look into a utilitarian system from the eyes of a soldier.
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I thought Gadaffi was dead
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>>101271410
No, he's not. Take Madoka for example (series only). If you like its content or not, you can't deny that it's better than 90% of anime in terms of story telling.
Most anime have a more or less interesting premise and then after some (maybe decent) episodes start to get worse and worse because the same idea is dragged out far too long. In Madoka on the other hand, everything that happens leads to a certain and logic consequence without any plot armor bullshit that desperately tries to maintain the status quo. Thus the whole developement of the plot feels more realistic and not as forced as in most other anime.
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Madoka is only good because of based Shinbou. He basically wrote the script too.
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>>101273354
Opposite for me, I watched most of Gargantia and unintentionally just dropped it.
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>>101273912
>Madoka
>good

>Shinbo
>based
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>>101273912
What are you talking about? It's well-documented that Shinbou hardly touched Butcher's script.
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>>101273822
highlel.. that was good anon
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>>101273854
Madoka is in the 10% of not shit, not in the 1% of good, and even less in the 0.1% of master piece. Saying that Madoka is unshitty is like saying that Independence Day is not entirely bad. It's not false, but it doesn't matter, because ultimately both are pointedly not good.
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>>101274073
What the fuck kind of stupid analogy are you trying to force?
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He is a terrible writer who solely relies on shock value to instill value into his works.

His characters are flat and one dimensional, his world building is terrible, his concepts are decent enough but lacks the ability to execute them. Of course this doesn't matter to much for a typical anime fan, they see people die and scream masterpiece.

There is more value in the "shock" than the actual event itself. I wonder if he is self aware?
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>>101273624
I can agree that Madoka is unusually ascetic, empathetic, and compassionate. However, it isn't pushed as a static and undeveloped trait like with most protagonists, but rather Madoka is fleshed out by the suffering she witnesses and experiences, which resonate with her own desire to be useful and find a purpose in life.
Homura is also complicated, isn't she? People call her pragmatic, but that doesn't quite fit the bill because she's so fatalistic in the last timeline. She doesn't use any means necessary--in fact, she has all of the means at her disposal and simply lets it all melt in her hands and slip away, because she's already tried so hard in previous timelines and accomplished nothing.
Anyone who's read Higurashi can see the parallels between Homura and Rika. They both struggle to keep the qualities that make them human in the face of overwhelming odds. Defeatism and the ease of giving up are constantly at the doorstep for them, but they never totally accept it.

That's how I see the characters.
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>>101273854
madoka is an all-star production, not just gen's work. gen alone is a hack, he needs a team that polishes what he spits out.
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>>101274198
>I wonder if he is self aware?
I doubt it. After he made Gargantia for encouraging young NEETs to leave their houses and Psycho-Pass tried so hard to be a serious mature work, I think Urobutcher doesn't know shit about the world outside Akihabara and he's a "genius" inside that little otaku microcosmos
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>>101274073

>Anime is now ranked in terms of percentages of quality
>Percentages I just pulled right out of my ass with no reference points

How slime like you can comment on someone's |writing| ability is far beyond my comprehension
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>>101274349
Even though I don't agree with him, ranking something in terms of percentage of quality doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
Obviously the percentages are just subjective, but it's the same with every form of ranking of any form of entertainment.
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>>101271410
It seems to depend on the series honestly, Kamen Rider Gaim has been nothing short of fantastic so far. I enjoyed Madoka and Gargantia as well.
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I enjoy his works and i believe he is a decent writer who can make entertaining series and his style resonates well enough with me
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>>101273504
Gaim had my curiosity but now I'm interested enough to watch it. Thanks anon.
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>>101272282
>I hope when he's told that he killed Yuuya he doesn't break down, but says that he's had that thought in the back of his mind for a while.
Or he buys into the hype and resigns himself to euthanizing all the Inves
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OFFICIAL BUTCHER POWER RANKINGS
Saya no Uta>Rebellion>Madoka=Fate Zero>Gaim=Psycho Pass>Phantom>Kikokugai>Gargantia
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>>101274611
>>Rebellion>Madoka
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>>101274198
>>101274347
>Gargantia for encouraging young NEETs to leave their houses
what.
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>>101274611
>Rebellion>Madoka
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>>101273354

The beginning episodes were the best. It was after the reveal that the show got disappointing.
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>>101274641
>wtf r u doin
Accepting Homura as goddess of the new world.
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>>101274648
There's an interview where Urobutcher said that was his intention with Gargantia. It aired at 10:30 pm or something. It made a huge shitstorm on /a/, mostly between anons who realize this is bullshit against Urobutcher's fanboys
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>>101274611
I was not impressed by madoka so i can't compare it, it neither like nor hate it.
But I'd say that Zero goes above or on par with SnY and Phantom is better than psycho pass.
Phntom is written just great, it's that the anime is executed really bad, but the plot is stron, solid and intriguing while PP was written very plain and boring, the show was entertainig due to setting and characters, but the storyline is meh.
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>>101274611
Are there people on /a/ watching Gaim because of him?
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>>101274477

Quality works on a |qualifier| system (You see, words have actual relevant fucking meanings, go figure) so shits can't come in and say that tripe like school days is a 9% masterpiece because it has one episode worth watching.

The percentage part wouldn't even be so bad if there was a single point of reference in his post (How the fuck can you qualify a 0.1 Masterpiece when you don't know what a 100% Masterpiece is?).
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>>101274904
Me. I'd probably have watched it anyway.
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>>101273504
>-the gimmicks and trinkets are introduced organically

This, holy fuck. The flow of the Arms changes, etc being introduced has been great. Kiwi Arms actually jobbing shocked me, since the whole point is generally "Look how badass this new toy is, go buy it right now!" They're doing a very good job of integrating the toys without it being horribly blatant.
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>>101274921
Wait are you serious? All that raging and apparently you didn't even understand what he was trying to say?

He wasn't quantifying the amount of masterpiece in a single show. He wasn't trying to say that a show can be 10% masterpiece or 100% masterpiece. He was saying that he doesn't think Madoka enters into the 0.1% of shows that ARE masterpieces. There is a world of difference between these statements.
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>>101274711
All of the girls serve no purpose other than eye-candy, or shoulder-candy in Amy's case. I felt way too much like I was being pandered to. If I want to fap to Hanaharu's designs I'll pay a visit to sad panda.
>>101274721
I can see it though. There's a fine line that NEETs tiptoe on. Now that you mention it, even Rebellion has that sort of aura to it. It starts off with escapism, but then Homura not only comes to an acceptance of the her past, but learns to love it for shaping her into the person she became. She basically goes through a Will to Power and becomes a person who works to overcome her obstacles rather than taking the easy way out by avoiding them.

Urobuchi isn't shaming NEETs or escapism or anything like that. It's very easy for hikki to get defensive, but Urobuchi is only trying to inspire people to work with reality and not against it.
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>>101274904
I'm pleased with how he's doing. Although I think it's because I'm sick of the two episode format and glad that he's breaking it and putting in Rider vs Rider that doesn't rely on misunderstandings to instigate the conflicts.
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>>101274611
Good taste.
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>>101275045
Better than Wizard anyway.

Is Acorn likely to become relevant again?
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>>101274921
It doesn't even have an episode worth watching though.
School Days is an example of poor deconstruction. They destroy the tropes of the harem genre and... that's it. We never find out how the girls develop and interact as a result of Makoto's chauvinism. All we get is a nice boat, and then the credits roll.

Good deconstructions like Madoka and NGE are the ones where some people ask, "wait, how is this a deconstruction?" because for the majority of the series, they see the same things that have happened in previous installments of the genres.
That's because Madoka and NGE do all their subversion of typical premises within the first few episodes. After that, they set out to create complex stories with thematic goals in mind. Deconstruction isn't a word that should ever be used to describe a work in its totality, because the important part isn't dismantling the pieces--it's putting them back together.
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>>101275397
Well, they just released his Arms Change figure, so we can only hope so. Gotta see his reaction to Hase's death after all.
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>>101273441
>Monogatari is my favourite harem
I dunno...
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>>101275469
I wouldn't be too surprised if he laughs off Hase's death although he'll be secretly terrified that he's next
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>>101274611
It should be like this :
Saya no Uta > Madoka = Fate/Zero > Phantom(VN) = Gaim > Kikokugai > Psycho-Pass > Rebellion > Gargantia

He only wrote 2 episodes of Gargantia , and Psycho pass felt lacking for some reason.Maybe S2 will be better.
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>>101275581
Well, we know his hiding behind Pierre isn't gonna pay off as we have scans of Kouta pushing his shit in using Jinba Lemon Arms. So Jounouchi is either gonna have to step up or end up dying.
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>>101275091
You aren't understanding the difference in my two points. I'm saying that if a single episode of an anime is above the quality of the rest then with percentages you open yourself to a shitty anime qualifying as a masterpiece based on that episode alone. Whereas a high water mark system means the anime either meets or fails overall.

>>101275462
Are you saying that the Nice Boat episode was not the most cathartic ending to a shitty harem ever? Would your name happen to be Makoto?
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-31/studio-shaft-to-create-revolutionary-girl-untena-remake

Extra! Extra! Extra!
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>>101274904
I'm watching it because my autistic little brother who's a tokufag kept bugging everyone to watch it since we liked Madoka.


And... yeah, it's actually really good.
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>>101274611
I'm at least glad we're all in agreement that Saya no Uta is the best.
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>>101274874
>the show was entertainig due to setting and characters
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>>101272076
not /m/
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>>101276384
I love ciberpunk and sci-fi about shitty future.
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>>101276384
Great job on proving him wrong with greentexting.
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>>101274874
Both the setting and characters were poorly presented and not particularly interesting.
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>>101276554
I'd say that these still were the strongest points of this particular show. And I'd not call the show complete garbage even though it's one of the weakest Uro's shows.

Maybe I'm giving it credit for being set in future and a decent protag, well all of the Uro's shows actually had a great protag, except for madoka.
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>>101274904
I started watching it a couple weeks ago because Urobuchi.

It's a bit of work to get used to since I haven't watched any toku at all before and it definitely takes more effort to suspend your disbelief than a lot of other media, but I loved Lost in Space when I was a kid so it's not too challenging.
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>>101275162
>Urobuchi is only trying to inspire people to work with reality and not against it.
He's really bad at it though.
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>>101272047
not OP but I haven't played it since I reached the part where Doctor-chan rescued Fuminori's bro from the well. I'm literally afraid to play it again, it keeps on getting more and more twisted
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>>101273504
>writing good toku is hard.
Yet people praise Frouze and Go-Busters.
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>>101276994
I remember playing it.
I've been like 14 or something, I started playing it in evening and finished by morning, brushed teeth and went to school. I was massively impressed and loved the ride. It took me the whole night to finish because English isn't my native but I still was captivated and spent the whole night reading.

The game has the atmosphere.
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>>101274611
>Rebellion>Madoka

u got me bb
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>>101276838
If that's what you choose to believe, mate.
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>>101277283
great memes. i like it. upvoted.
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>>101275162
Haha what the hell am I reading, did we watch the same movie?
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>>101276999
hey
Fourze was fun.
It dragged a little on some episodes and some characters got horribly derailed, but overall it was a fun experience. It doesn't have the good points i listed for Gaim, but it had good visual direction, a great protagonist, interesting antagonists and a lot of high points in several arcs. It helps that it didn't take itself too seriusly and didn't pretend to be anything but FUCK YEAH SPACE
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Why is he so perfect?
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>>101277445
Nigga you gay
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>>101274904
No. I never watched any toku before, and it looks too ridiculous and childish. I've watched and enjoyed things like Precure before but 2D > 3D.
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>>101277696
How is this ridiculous?
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>>101277696
>and it looks too ridiculous and childish
You'd think so, but Gaim got really suffering as of late. The ridiculousness is pretty much gone now
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>>101277809
That's what I call using your head.
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>>101277378
We did. Of course, it's a very complicated movie with a controversial ending and it takes cues from a variety of classical works, so it's pretty hard to agree on any one interpretation, and you're welcome to think what you will of it.

Personally, I subscribe to the idea of dualism and that Homura is becoming just like Junko, who was always a Nietzsche-esque, will-to-power sort of girl. Nietzsche would say that happiness is not an end, but simply a result of overcoming one's personal obstacles.
>"Why is mom working so hard for a company that she never dreamed of working with?"
>"Hmmm... Mom doesnt like working, she likes working hard. There are a lot of things that she doesn't like about it, but she likes the feeling of satisfaction she gets when she overcomes those obstacles, those achivements are precious to her. It doesn't mean that she dreamed to work for that company. But Mom is living her ideal life, and some dreams come true this way."
>"So you make how you live into your dream?"
Nietzsche also said that what occurs out of love happens beyond good and evil, and, well... that one is pretty obvious, isn't it?
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>Urobuchi
>Madoka
Madoka has only like 25% of his work. And Rebellion was much better than original series.
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>>101278879
>Rebellion was much better than original series.
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>>101279004
>>101274641
>>101274675
It's very hard to detect samefag with same retarded reaction faces.
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>>101278879
>And Rebellion was much better than original series
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>>101279069
Rebellion not living up to the series isn't exactly a niche opinion that one faggot is spamming. It's actually the general consensus on /a/. Not sure about everywhere else.
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>>101278879
Madoka was nothing deserving the attention it gets.

Well the EP 3 and EP11 were entertaining and spectacular, but it had nothing in it except shock content
>magical girls severed head
>Sayaka doing berserk
>Cute schoolgirl with glasses is making pipebombs in her room
Spectacular - yes, something worth talking about THIS much - no.
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>>101279186
>It's actually the general consensus on /a/
oh wow
>a niche opinion that one faggot is spamming
but it actually is
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>>101279270
>but it had nothing in it except shock content
Maybe if you actually watched, you wouldn't be spouting bullshit.
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>>101279324
Go into a Madoka thread and ask. Everyone will tell you the same thing: Rebellion is not as good as the series.
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>>101279270
Madoka became very popular only because of eathquake in Japan exactly in this time. I can agry half of episodes is waste of time.

Rebellion is atleast high budget product.
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>>101276999
Fourze was a lot better then Wizard.

Sure, Gentarou's schtick was "You're going get befriended", but in comparison Haruto just felt kind of bland personality when his entire reason for fighting was "Muh Koyomi."

The ensemble cast was also a lot better. Shunpei in general just annoyed the fuck out of me, and Rinko didn't really do much either.The detectives in Double were played for mostly comic relief, but Rinko made me want to bash my head against a wall at times with all the times she ran into Phoenix and Gremlin.
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>>101279428
>Madoka became very popular only because of eathquake in Japan
It was extremely popular even before that. If you were here, you wouldn't be talking bullshit.
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>>101279390
Stop trying to speak for all of us, faggot. I for one think Rebellion is right on par with the series.
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>>101279428
>>101279270
Why do you people who don't know what you're talking about think that you have the right to assert your opinion?
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>>101279363
So implying was not enough and i have to call the characters shallow and the thermodynamics part stupid? Except for Mami, who actully had something like self and ego, but was far from being interesting too.

What was the point of starting talking about entrophy and first law and then breaking the second law of thermodinamics?
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>>101279390
>Everyone
Everyone who REALLY enjoyed the series, enjoy Rebellion even more, because it's just better almost in everything. If you are mad about the ending, it's your problem.
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>>101279646
>i have to call the characters shallow
This proves you didn't watch it.

>thermodynamics part stupid
Why people take this as such big thing when it is practically irrelevant to plot?

>What was the point of starting talking about entrophy and first law and then breaking the second law of thermodinamics?
Its fucking magic. An it is irrelevant to plot.
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>>101279712
>strawpoll
No, seriously. Make a Madoka thread right now and ask. Everyone is hyperbole, most posters will tell you that Rebellion is not as good as the series.
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If you guys want to discuss why you didn't enjoy Madoka and/or Rebellion, maybe we could hold some intelligent discussion instead of you guys spamming reaction images and thinking that "well, I'm riding the bandwagon so I must be right" is a valid defense of your claims?
>>101274301
>>101278060
People who enjoyed the series/films make thoughtful posts like these and their points just get side-stepped because everyone who disliked Rebellion didn't ever put enough thought into it to address these points. They don't want to use their heads though, they just want people to stroke their ego.
>>101279390
this is bullshit.
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>>101279646
>complaining about scientific accuracy in a show where magic is involved
Oh christ, are you that faggot from the last Madoka thread? Everyone ignore this faggot, he's not worth arguing with.
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>>101279646
>What was the point of starting talking about entrophy and first law and then breaking the second law of thermodinamics?
What are you even talking about? Magical girls break the first law, not the second.
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And on a semi-related note, which KR movie are you looking more forward to seeing?
>Heisei vs. Showa with actual actors for older riders... well as far as Heisei that would be 555's MC and Dikeedo on
>Sengoku Gaim with Officer I Must Punch Everything Near Me Terui, Nago and Kengo
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>>101279800
>Everyone
like reaction image spammer in this thread?
I'm also sure it is you, so I don't really care.
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>>101279800
>No, only my opinion about a movie is correct!
Fuck off.
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>>101279800
not him but here's a strawpoll about the ending that didn't subscribe to the loaded question of "was it shit or not?"
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>>101279712
MadokA Sydney 5pm sessions still available
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>>101279852
That guy hadn't watched the show, he was only speaking based on hearsay from his friends and he left the thread after his points got blown out of the water. So this must be a different idiot.
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>>101279888
Make a Madoka thread and ask. I lurk those fucking shitposting generals all the time, and despite all the things that they don't agree on, there's at least a general consensus that Rebellion didn't live up.
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>>101279800
>most posters will tell you
I laughed at this. So you are going to samefag and you think someone will believe that you are right?
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>>101280052
Yes, it's not like anyone here actually posts in those threads and has called bullshit on you, right anon? Keep making stuff up; I'm sure no one has noticed.
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>>101280056
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Threads#Rebellion_Premiere

Read through some of these threads. I was here for the initial reaction (seemingly unlike you) and thanks to the magic of archives, you can educate yourself. Check the US premier thread as well.
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>>101279763
>Why people take this as such big thing when it is practically irrelevant to plot?
Oh yes, the setting is irrelevant to plot, only your Yuri porn is what matters.
>>101279864
>What are you even talking about? Magical girls break the first law, not the second.
Well it was likea fridge in a room. It makes cold inside but heats up the room and if the room is closed system it will end up unable to cool then room gets too hot.
At this point it looked solid and well written.

But the story ends with Madoka's infinite energy saving everything.
If she doesn't turn from god into devil in 1000 or 100000 years but she has to at some point than the story is horsecrap.
When you say A you gotta say B, and this wold make a story. But butcher said A and then said D so it started alright but then was wasted.

Almost as if he wanted to look smarter than he is.
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>>101280052
>a general consensus
>/a/
Half of /a/ hates Madoka original series too, because it is popular. I guess you are one of few shitpostes that hates Rebellion too.
>>101280232
And you can easily shitpost every thread by your own, but no one really cares.
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>>101280296
>But the story ends with Madoka's infinite energy saving everything.
Except that's fucking wrong? None of that even has anything to do with entropy. Madoka is simply very, very strong. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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>>101280296
>if the room is closed system
Thats where you argument breaks. Even Incubators didn't realize the energy could go between timelines. So Madoka's power comes from outside of the system.
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>Urobuchi thread immediately turns into Madoka discussion

As per usual
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>>101273102
You can't enjoy a sad ending?
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>>101271452
>Gargantia
>Butcher work
Get your facts straight.
The director had the idea. It was mostly SoL for a reason.

The only thing Butcher came up with was the retarded Hidauze part.
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>>101280314
>I mean, there's no way that there's more than one person who doesn't think Rebellion is as good as the series, there's no fucking way. It has to be a samefag!!
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>>101280232
I guess you are wiki fag that tried to force interview copypasta in a lot of threads before.
So it's easy to count all rebellion haters on one hand.
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>>101280437

There are limited timelines.
There's a difference between something MASSIVE and something infinite.

If you take a universe - it's a closed system.
If you take two universes - still a closed system.
All possible universes combined is one massive but finite closed system.
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>>101280565
Madoka's power isn't infinite. so what's the problem here.
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>>101280548
yeah it's two or three, maybe even four.
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>>101280565

>>101280602
this

Also, you are getting crazy into some field of physics we don't even know about. So saying number of universes is not infinite is grasping at straws.
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>>101280602
So the world will last longer but in the end she will destroy everything?
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>>101279870
Heisei vs Showa is gonna be great simply because of all the actors returning. Shotaro in that full white suit and hat, man. Not to mention motherfucking Hongo being in the movie and not just a voice.
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>>101280659
You...what?
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>>101280680
If her power is not infinite what happens when it runs out?
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The stephen king of anime, if you will.
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>>101280232
Why are you bragging as if having been present makes your subjective opinion more valid? We had idiots in October/November like you, yes.
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>>101280736
She is not using it continuously.
She used it once to transform universe. Done.
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Would people like madoka if it was about boys?
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>>101280736
She doesn't need infinite power to do her job.
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How I'm supposed to hate urubochi when he created my waifu.
Pic related.
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>>101280792
Diabolic lovers did flop, so i guess no.
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>>101280924
ah, dl was cool.
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>all this "m-muh closed system"
Is the concept of science fantasy lost on you idiots?
The physical realm abides by the laws of thermodynamics, and the only way around them is to tap into the ethereal realm--souls and karma and shit.
It's not only really simple, but it's not even the point of the series so the fact that you're so focused on thermodynamics when there's more relevant discussion you could be having, such as literary themes, characterization, relationships, etc., makes it pretty apparent that you're just arrogant teenagers who think wikipedia can teach them everything there is to know about science. Go read a book.
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>>101280748
It's not that it makes the opinion more valid at all, that's not the assertion. The archived threads were only presented as evidence that thinking Rebellion doesn't live up isn't a minority opinion, it's actually quite common.
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>>101280232
Negative knee-jerk reactions were pretty common, but quite a lot of people came to appreciate the movie more after having more time to think about it and see it again and discuss it.
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>>101278060
>the idea of dualism
If you're still here, could you go into depth a bit more on this?
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>>101279835
Still no responses. Typical underage shitposters. Words too big for you?
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>>101281058
Oh, I'm sure he will.
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>>101280951
>science
>fantasy
Does not compute.
There's science and fantasy, the science fantasy is just fantasy that wants to be smarter than it is.
Not that I hate fantasy, but attempt to duckt tape weak science writing with fantasy looks pathetic. Like it really want's to look smart but it can't.

I criticize WH40K for that reason, and in Madoka it's even worse.
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>>101280959
When you can post a message every minute, there are no common opinion. Well, you are trying really hard and maybe some newfags will believe you.
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>>101280959
That's not always something to brag about.
>>101280966
Yeah, linking the October spoiler threads is pretty silly. We were all relying on double hearsay of the few anons who knew Japanese and were translating the reactions they were getting from people who actually watched the film. Things got pretty chaotic and we would often argue on a point only for a Japanese anon to be like, "uh, it didn't happen like that, actually"
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>>101281153
What exactly is the problem with the system as presented in Madoka? "It's stupid" isn't actually a reason.
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I like Meduka, Psycho-Pass and Gargantia. I'd like to see Urobuchi making a series about Cao Cao since he's one of his favorite historical personalities apparently.
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>>101281257
It introduces the problem, and the show ends with "Lets change the world so the problem never existed" instead of solving problem.

This was disappointing.
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>>101281153
>wants to be smarter than it is
You're projecting so hard right now. The point of entropy isn't to be scientific at all. It's to illustrate inevitability--Turkish fatalism.

>No matter what we do, we can't stop the universe from getting colder, either, and on the same principle. This world is only maintained in existence by a series of logical, common-sense processes; it can never escape the bondage of its physical laws.
>Therefore, in order to write a perfect ending for a story you must possess the power to break the chain of cause and effect, invert black and white, and act in complete contradiction to the rules of the universe. Only a heavenly and chaste soul, a soul that resounds with genuine praise for humanity, can save the story; to write a story with a happy ending is a double challenge, to the author's body as well as the mind.
>At some point, Gen Urobuchi lost that power. He still hasn't recovered. The "tragedy syndrome" is still continuing within me. Is this a terminal disease? Should I give up on the pure "warrior of love" that I have longed for? Or mount a pallid battle steed and reincarnate into a bearer of the plague... could it be that I can only create pieces that give men courage and hope in my next life? (When I wrote this, I accidentally wrote "courage" as "lingering ghosts". I guess that's what I get for using IME — Ah, I just wrote "IME" as "hatred"... is there no way out of this for me?)
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>>101281439
What? Entropy is still a problem in Madoka's new universe. More so, in fact, since witches were more efficient at gathering energy.
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>>101274611
Hmm, in terms of enjoyment, I would probably put...
Saya no Uta>Fate/Zero>Madoka/Rebellion>Phantom>Gargantia
I'd check out Kikokugai, but it looks kinda meh, and not sure about the translation quality.
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What's next for him anyway? PP S2 probably got canned since we haven't hear anything about it in months, and he is doing that Sentai show at the moment. Is he gonna take a break after it ends?
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>>101281566
>PP S2 probably got canned
Wh-what? That can't be true.
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>>101281153
40k doesn't try to look smart though, it's sci-fi fantasy because the humanity in it is built up on sci-fi, as well as some of the alien races to varying degrees (the Tau are pretty much 100% sci-fi only). The fantasy part comes in while explaining the workings of the 40k universe at large, and it's never explained in scientific terms. What's your problem with this?

>>101281601
Of course it's not you retard. It doesn't work like that.
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>>101281511
How the fuck does it even work now on broken cicle?
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>>101281058
Well, to illustrate it in plain terms first--Madoka is able to grant the girls peaceful deaths, but she doesn't actually change the mortal realm at all.
Homura changes the mortal realm, but her actions disrupt the serenity of Madokami's nirvana.

Some believe the third installment in the series will be about the two girls working out a compromise for their happiness.
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>>101281764
What? I feel like you have some fundamental misunderstanding about the ending but I have no idea what it is.
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>>101281566
Nitro+ w/ Urobuchi collaborated with Toei to make some movie that comes out this year.
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>>101281257
They left behind system details in Rebellion and it feels a lot better.
Instead of lectures about how entropy works, it is focused on character(s)
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>>101281461
>You're projecting so hard right now. The point of entropy isn't to be scientific at all. It's to illustrate inevitability--Turkish fatalism.

The idea of "it can't be helped" then?
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>>101281884
They had to explain how the system works in order to establish the Incubators' motives. It wasn't that complicated of an explanation anyway, it just boiled down to "emotions are magical and create energy".
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>>101281773
Do you think that somebody like Homura is capable of making a compromise? It's hard to imagine her giving up and of her ground at this point.
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>>101281566
>PP S2 probably got canned since we haven't hear anything about it in months
I didn't realize people could be this retarded.
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>>101281966
I think this is the only thing she won't compromise on. Everything else depends on how they choose to write her. I won't waive my interpretation as absolute.
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>>101282111
Yeah, I'm wondering about that. Will she always keep her goal in mind and work toward that? Or maybe she'll wear her villainous mask for so long that it becomes her real face?
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>>101282111
>I won't waive my interpretation as absolute.
A lot of people in Madoka thread should learn this.
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>>101281944
They gave to much unnecessary attention to it. Not only about entropy but everything else. Even last few minutes they tried to explain as much as possible how Madoka's world works, but they still hasn't done it well. That's why I like mindfucking Rebellion ending more.
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>>101282396
The sad part about art is that a lot of people will see it in one way and stop there, thinking that they've seen the one truth, when the reality is that they've only seen one of many subjective worlds.

To me, Madoka is a beautiful series. It's like a kaleidoscope. Every time I look into it, it's totally different. I think the most unsatisfying and uninspired thing to do with a piece of art is to look at it and feel the same thing each time; every time you look, the piece gets duller and duller, until finally it loses its color.
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>>101282819
Unfortunately, to many people in my opinion strive to achieve objectivity in their thoughts. I think you're looking at it in the right way though.
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>>101282365
You know what they say, if you keep making that face it'll stick that way.
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>>101274721
>bullshit against Urobutcher's fanboys
I think you're just reading what you want from his ideology and ignoring the rest.
Urobuchi's works show how utilitarianism loses it humanity. The point here is that a NEET shouldn't listen to the idiots who will say, "Go out and be productive for society, or else you're a good-for-nothing!"

No, the message is that you should find your own purpose in life. Do what makes you happy.
Sitting in a basement, stagnating, pretending not to need other people, running from one's own desires as a human being... is that happiness? If it were, there probably wouldn't be so many cases of hikki killing their parents.
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Do you think we'll ever get an atmospheric OVA recounting Bowmura's journey, giving us a greater worldview of the Madoka universe and presenting an episodic look into the many aspects of humanity?

It would start like Mushishi and end like Shuumatsu no Laughter.
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>>101282819
Some of it is simply wrong though. Too much subjectivity, too much of a stretch and then people start telling me Homura raping Madoka in a basement somewhere is a realistic interpretation of Homura.



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