Miyazaki: The Problem With The Anime Industry Is It's Full of Otaku
>Miyazaki explained that animating people can only be done by those who spend time observing others, something he feels the industry lacks because its "full of otaku."
we are the cancer /a/!
>3 times on the same day
>At the same time, it’s hard to argue with Miyazaki’s criticism of otaku in relation to the more pejorative connotation the word holds, that of a person lacking in social breadth and well-rounded life experiences. Given the way in which his films’ characters have been striking chords with audiences for decades, the famed director’s derision of many other artists’ inability to properly project human elements in animation definitely has some credibility behind it.
>Abe Administration, the Iraq War, and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation.
Alright, I'll stop being an otaku and I'll stop buying anime.
That'll save the industry, r-r-right?
This is news?
ITT: anime is shit.
no, you have to buy anime, but only the normalfag shit of miyazaki, otherwise you're killing the industry
Good thing I pirate all my anime and manga, don't want to be supporting an industry that is out of touch from people.
>the industry is geared to where the demand is.
Maybe if those otaku cunts get better taste we'll have better things?
Well he's kind of right.
I have trouble drawing people, mainly because I don't go outside.
Ah, I see.
He wants the Disney audience.
No, he wants you to keep buying anime.
But just go outside at least.
>He wants to be Walt Disney
God, Miyazaki is high on his own ego. He's like a successful version of Yamakan.
after seeing /pol/ i'd rather stay inside, thanks
Who needs to go outside when you have the most addictive entertainment in the world next to video games - Anime?
You guys are misinterpreting this message,
He's saying that since Otaku are the main people becoming animators and they spend 24/7 locked in their rooms anime as a whole is suffering.
Japan lost all semblance of taste around year 2000
>Miyazaki: The Problem With The Anime Industry Is The People Who Support It
He can suck my dick. If I want something serious I watch films. While anime is mostly crap, at least it panders to my yuri obsession (this year is fucking great).
Why do these threads keep coming up.
I mean apart from obvious bait, the legit posters seem to love blaming things on social retards.
Which is kind of weird considering where we are. Is it an ego trip or something?
But why would that matter?
Artists throughout all of history have been fucked up losers who spend too much time alone with nothing but their own thoughts and depression to keep them company.
I don't want normal people to be making anime.
He's not even saying things should be serious.
Artistically, if you don't observe people, you can't animate them convincingly. If you don't talk to people, you can't write them convincingly.
Considering where we are, would it be anything other than an ego trip?
>The market that Ghibli can't reach
>It's cancer because Ghibli can't get money from that market
>Praise all people who suck his dick like Yamakan ad follow his boring and outdated animation style while never accept something new.
>animating people can only be done by those who spend time observing others
There are Human everywhere and animator itself is Human, why he have to quote something stupid like this? Is Miyazaki really wants public attention to the point that he becomes retard?
This. He's talking about animation and he's right. Animators should draw inspiration from real life
>Problem is the industry is "full of otakus"
So his grand solution is to remove them?
>Is it an ego trip or something?
So is he actually retiring or what
I guess I managed to give myself an answer.
I'd just like to think that people aren't THAT pathetic.
I mean you see this everywhere blaming Japanese society as a reason for why there aren't ten blood and gore hyper masculine series out every year.
I dunno I guess that's kind of true though. If you don't spend enough time interacting with people and observing their body language, then you won't know how to animate them. If you learn how to animate people by looking at animations of people, then it turns into some weird game of industry telephone in which the example becomes less and less accurate over time.
It doesn't help that otaku are part of the reason why Japan is literally dying.
yeah if you animate disneyshit
>Animators should draw inspiration from real life
Artists are not animators.
Animators need to know how things move in the real world, especially people, to do it accurately and greatly.
It's not a medium grounded in reality. They should draw inspiration from wherever they can.
If you're going to try and make animation as realistic as possible why not just go for live action?
>If you learn how to animate people by looking at animations of people, then it turns into some weird game of industry telephone in which the example becomes less and less accurate over time.
Web gen animation in a nutshell.
Listen to this guy, He knows what real art is.
He WAS a fucking Otaku.
He ONLY made films of which he had fallen in love with the main character.
Hell, he basically invented lolicon.
Have a thing:
Not just that.
I majored in animation in college. The more reserved a person you are, the worse you'll be at animating. Animation skill and acting skill go hand in hand, because in order to draw convincing movements, you have to understand how those movements look and feel yourself.
Just like if everyone in the film industry was an awkward otaku, they'd all be terrible actors who have no real life experience to draw from.
Then it's miyazaki's job, as the head of a multi-million dollar business, to facilitate the hiring and training of the people he wants in the industry. Those animators he trains would then go on to be industry leaders and take anime where he wants it.
He can't go blaming others for his own inadequacy.
Anime is probably less artistic than fucking video games.
>otaku are part of the reason why Japan is literally dying
did /v/ told you this or what
Do animators in Japan even have enough free time to go outside with all that unpaid overtime they're expected to take in order to meet the deadlines
Something that should happen, won't happen without a driving factor behind it.
He looks like he's saying
"Hey buddy! Fuck you!"
Than he's running away like "Yes! I did it!"
If you don't listen to people speaking, will you be able to write realistic dialogue?
To avoid QUALITY. This is what Miyazaki was saying, but everyone decided he's going on a moral crusade against us, because we're insecure Sankaku-level nerds.
But that would take actual effort unlike complaining and making a difference.
>He's talking about the way characters move and gesture themselves
>This is completely lost on /a/
Maybe he is hiring and training people to become good animators in the industry AND still has this opinion. That can happen, you know
The niwaka otaku killed Akihabara with their anime shit. Hopefully they'll stay away from DenDen Town.
And the character animation in "disneyshit" completely destroys any character animation Japan has to offer.
It's not about mindlessly copying real life, but taking time to observe and understand how things work and move in real life in order to create animation that is lively and convincing.
Only just noticed the SBS logo. When did this air in Aus and is there anywhere I can watch it now?
They seem to be less derivative than modern anime. Well, I haven't played anything since 2007.
Studio Ghibli have produced various talented animators, but in the end they're only one studio.
As a non-Japanese person, I am unable to contribute to the development of anime anyhow, so this doesn't bother me too much.
No, we're not on the fucking staff, OP.
This thread again?
The problem is directors and producers who are scared to step out of the box and make an anime that doesn't pander. If an anime is good, it'll be popular (see Miyazaki's shit); shitty directors and producers just use otaku as a scapegoat for their inability to make a good anime.
The more you stick to something, the higher the tendency for QUALITY to happen.
/pol/ posters hang out the front of your house?
Because there is no way you can observe how people act while being socially reserved right?
>Well, I haven't played anything since 2007.
Just keep it that way, for your own sake.
>Shit la Shit
That's not what's being said at all. Holy fuck learn to read.
Truly, you should become a critic.
>anime suffers because industry staff is made up of otaku who "don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans."
>anime suffers because industry staff
It's fine for consumers to be otaku
When the staff are lazy NEETs, no wonder shit doesn't get done right
didn't Anno say this like 19 years ago
Wait, are you judging a medium solely on its contemporary works?
Right. Animators are closet actors. You have to actually be able to make the right movements yourself.
Being reserved won't make it impossible, but it will be a major disadvantage. And if everybody in the industry is at a disadvantage, then that is a problem.
He's wrong. Pandering to normalfags is just as awful (see: video games).
What's needed is a happy medium.
I'm not talking just about Miyazaki, per se. More about the producers who complain about otaku and "moe", in general.
This. OP couldn't fucking read and ANN wrote a bullshit misleading headline
It's an Australian documentary I think. Or it might be British. Anyway I forgot the name but I think it's funny that the studio the guy interviewed is a no name study that has never been the main contractor of any production. They couldn't get any big names?
I'd like to think he is also talking about development of characters within storytelling as well. As Animators, you have to tell a story with those gestures and actions, and if you are a sheltered anime fanatic, you get tunnel vision on how to express a unique character.
Videogames pander to the lowest common denominator.
Just like anime.
>lowest common denominator
I completely see where he's coming from when it comes to artists portraying emotion, but without the otaku market, then the Japanese animation industry would look a lot similar to the Western one.
It's pretty interesting.
Can people post examples of this "animation" that is distant from reality?
>normalfags make better products in society
Its true though.
>@bahijd: There is a Ping Pong club next to my door, great place to play and study as preperation for Yuasa's "Ping Ping" anime that I will work on
Bahi is so much better than everyone in the industry because he's not an otaku.
He's not saying anything about socially reserved people. He is saying that animators/otaku don't want to observe real life.
Because Dennou Coil sold like hotcakes, right?
Pick any anime series from the last 10yrs.
No one acts like that.
There is no such thing as writing realistic dialogue, just entertaining dialogue. Every writer has admitted that spending hundreds of hours observing and dissecting dialogue did them no good in writing realistic dialogue.
One of animation's great strengths is it's ability to portray the unreal.
One of animation's great weaknesses is the difficulty in doing continuous, fluid motion and the levels of detail associated with that.
Obsessing over realistic portrayals is a luxury afforded only to high budget movies.
Same thing with a smaller more dedicated market.
Besides, not all anime is late night otaku anime. Like half of it is kid shows.
He can fuck a pig for all I care
Niche that is even more shallow than the lowest common denominator. Niche full of socially inept people who think mostly with their dicks.
inb4 ping pong rotoscope
More like, if it's a high budget family movie with a reasonably straight forward setting it will be popular.
The REAL problem with the animation industry is that they make too many watchable shows.
I'm watching like, 32 shows airing this season.
All my free time has been taken up with little girl cartoons.
I wish they go back to making more awful shit again so I could just ignore it...
If you mean modern anime has no plot substance or you find it filled with mediocrity, that doesn't disqualify what is, by definition, an art from being art.
>we are the cancer /a/!
I'm not a piece of shit otaku though.
anime and video games are visual mediums not genres you dumb ass.
He isn't wrong. Otaku are cancerous to the industry.
How often do you see characters in fiction constantly correcting themselves, using awfully simplistic descriptions, tripping over words, forgetting what they were going to say, etc.
Dialogue is never "realistic" in fiction.
Shitty taste. I couldn't finish second episodes of like 15 shows from this season.
the same could be said about higurashi in the west. that sold so well nisa had to licensed the umineko anime.
>otaku are part of the reason why Japan is literally dying.
The only reason young men aren't having sex or starting families is because of Japan's business culture, the psychological effects of living on an island prone to earthquakes and tsunamis, and Japan's stagnant economy.
Otaku lifestyle's spread is a result or side effect of these primary issues.
>a good animator needs to know what's happening around him and outside the studio, it's not just about drawing 24 hours.
>becoming a social awkward animator is also stopping your improvement as a film maker and animator.
You are a beautiful human bean, anon.
A problem is that many of the otaku also end up working in the industry in which they lack vision and proper story telling abilities other than muh waifu. So you only get shit.
This is in par with the whole; we need profits, people buy moeshit so Director make us more moe shit otherwise we will not give you a budget or we give you a too low budget so you still can't make that proper series.
Every single genki airhead archetype. Go read Aho-Girl.
Why is the final sequence of Heat so fucking bad?
Why would anyone want to watch anything that resembles realism? Isn't that the fucking point of anime?
It's not about using loads of frames or drawing in lots of detail, just motion that is expressive and convincing. This animation here isn't animated on 1s but there's a good sense of weight to the movements. It's little things like this that makes animation good.
So why does his shit look so unrealistic then?
Your waifus are unrealistic.
Realistic movement and gestures are important. No one wants to watch a Japanese businessman slowly kill himself.
We'd like to see him in the background of a show though.
>implying people didn't think his Apollon cuts were rotoscoped
>Empty pill bottles.
What a fag. Did he save those up just for this picture. He's either got only two scripts there or cancer.
That's limiting it to one archetype.
Everyone does that in real life.
Not Higurashi nor Umeniko are anywhere near Coil's league, though.
Meh, it's been a while, I don't even remember how it went anymore.
>No one wants to watch a Japanese businessman slowly kill himself.
Speak for yourself.
Sounds like a vicious cycle. They truly are a parasitic organism. Forcibly remove them and the entire company will shrivel and die.
Sounds like a good anime plot. Will watch. Will buy
>showing clips of Freeza, Goku, Piccolo, and Precure
>anime characters are usually portrayed as children and teenagers
>children and teenagers
What the fuck are they feeding kids in Australia?
There would be no industry without the otaku. There would be 2 to 4 shit low budget cartoons a year for families and children and maybe a Miyazaki movie here and there. Nothing else.
I don't disagree. The industry has become saturated with soulless moe shit. It's why trash like SnK was so popular, because despite its massive flaws, it was a gulp of fresh air in a sea of moeshit.
A hero for not being afraid to call the industry on its bullshit.
You can't animate like this if you lock yourself in the basement nearly all day.
To a certain extent.
But you often have to use short cuts or tricks to convey that motion, especially as budgets get tighter. Expressive and convincing movement is fine and all but often that will have to be expressed in a very unrealistic fashion. Studying real movement won't necessarily help with that.
Hard mode: don't shit post
>draw inspiration from real life
But that's a terrible idea. There's nothing inspiring about real life.
Goddamn move to the DPRK already if you want TV that only sponsors muh values.
But Milt Kahl was known for locking himself up in the room animating all day.
You'd watch +300 episodes of just a man going to work every day, having a normal family that consists of a son who barely talks to him, and a wife that only talks about house-related issues with him?
I mean, it could make for a good movie, but we'd need something more interesting than just the typical life of a nip businessman.
I watch cartoons BECAUSE it's fantasy.
Real life sucks.
Are you kidding? He magicked a hat into existence. How is that realistic?
>Abe Administration, the Iraq War, and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation.
They also bitched about how no real person would make those motions and how stupid they looked. Just because the cuts were fluid and natural enough to be considered 'real' doesn't mean the motions the people made were realistic.
No, but I would certainly watch 13-26 episodes of that if it was done well.
It's about movement, you fucking moron.
Goddamn. One of the reasons QUALITY exists in certain scenes is because of how unrealistic certain movements are depicted.
>once wasn't enough lets do it again!
And yet people still reply.
Who gives a shit? Anime sucks dicks because of its retarded fans. Untalented, uncreative hacks make simplistic shows for pathetic people to indulge in their fantasies. They don't read books, nor watch films so the vast majority of shows are limited to highschool kids doing something and cute girls acting like walking fetishes.
Even fucking fans draw mostly porn and cute girls or gay shit (doujins, Pixiv).
The fuck do you expect from an industry like that? Seven Samurai? Ugetsu? Tokyo Story? It's like expecting Citizen Kane out of Disney TV cartoons.
It cuts away from him in the actual movie when someone else is talking. The hat is hung on a rack.
The hat was on a separate layer(it's a western animation workflow thing), and magic hat or not he's talking about the movements.
What correlation does your post have with the topic.
The problems come from illegal downloading, which is hurting advertising sales, competition from Chinese and South Korean animators, and dwindling interest from animes traditional audience of Japanese children.
The hat falls into his hands. Notice how he looks up, opens his hands as if to catch something, then it plops down.
12-13 episodes? Certainly. Drama is my favorite genre.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
If anyone who ever posted on /v/ was permabanned from this board we would be a lot better off.
The other day I saw a fedora in a k-mart. It inspired me to put it on, turn to my friend and say "I am euphoric". Then I punted some bitch's coffee because I was insanely drunk... Not sure what kind of inspiration I can get from that.
There's nothing dramatic about a guy going to work, coming home, eating silently, going to sleep, and then getting up again.
By slowly killing himself, I meant he'd die a natural death in 50 years.
Real life doesn't typically have any dramatic sequence of events. Just frustration. This is why fiction is interesting.
This is what stupidity looks like.
Not really but there would be less "fedora" shitposting.
>I feel like the quality of anime is generally getting worse. I go back and look at some anime from the 90 to early 00's and the style and animation is much better, more fluid and more consistent. Now I watch some anime and the characters features can really vary from episode to episode and the animation can be unnatural and wooden at times. This is likely what Miyazaki is pointing at, and it's hard to disagree.
>He's absolutely right - as I get older, I find myself get choosier with my anime because nearly all of it is designed with moe-obsessed male otaku in mind. As a female otaku who loathes moe, I find this frustrating.
>But we can't completely blame the artists. It's kind of an open secret that it's the publishers that are largely at fault. They're playing conservative and only taking the already-been-done safe bets because they know it will sell to their solid, harcore fanbase. They can predict the outcome financially, but the quality of the industry suffers because they're just repackaging the same anime over & over to sell to the same people (who buy it out of brand-loyalty more than anything else). That's why all of the better anime I've seen in recent years (with the exception of SNK and Kill la Kill) was either obscure or came out of an indie company.
The harsh truth.
We'd also need to get rid of tumblr and /pol/.
I feel the same way about /a/ and half the other boards I post on.
Why are you quoting commentators?
>As a female otaku who loathes moe
>I'm upset because anime doesn't pander to me instead of its biggest audience.
Maybe if she kept her criticism related to animation, I could take her seriously.
My fucking sides.
Why do people keep paying attention to this old fart?
Just retire for real, you fuck.
>call up my buddy and decide to go playing some pong
>getting ready and meet my buddy halfway there
>get to the house
>we start playing
>suddenly, he tells me there's someone watching us play, as well as the others
>mfw some guy is drawing sketches while watching us play
That story is from 2009 and done by retarded ausfags. You should probably take everything said with a heavy grain of salt.
I love the fact that you didn't say anything anyone here would disagree with, and has been mentioned several times in this thread.
Do you mean original work anime? Alot of adaptations have been good.
It's easier to empathize with more realistic characters. What about fantasy stories that aren't just shitty harems or shows with kids with superpowers? Don't people love Berserk?
And I still disagree. Realistic fiction is pretty common in manga. So why not in anime? Why Oda Nobunaga needs a fucking mecha and a busty love interest?
Fuck, I'd rather not have noticed that video.
dem chineese mother fuckers always wanna ruin our fun
This thread makes me glad /a/'s not in charge of actually making anything.
Anime is more expensive, therefore it needs a bigger revenue.
Because when you want realistic shows you go for live action. There are plenty of manga that get live action television shows and the like, /a/ just doesn't really talk about them.
>As a female otaku who loathes FPS
>I'm upset because videogames doesn't pander to me instead of its biggest audience
It's the same shit all over again.
>nobunaga the fool
fuck just get over him already
Oh wow tell me /a/ what type of shows is she talking about.
Is she the kind of person who thinks that that one Muslim made cartoon is actually going to be good?
should have replace otaku with gamer.
>Retiring means not you're not allowed to say anything about anything at all.
She probably thinks DEEN is an indie company.
>Is she the kind of person who thinks that that one Muslim made cartoon is actually going to be good?
It looks fun though.
>Realistic fiction is pretty common in manga.
No it isn't. There is simply a lot more manga than there are anime so you have a greater variety overall. It would be like me saying there is a lot more NTR manga than anime so why cant we have more NTR anime?
Or books, right? But there are many manga with more mature, realistic stories. Monster anime was pretty good (even if not very realistic, but still based on real life).
do you have the one where the nignog would suck someone's titties in first site? He looked kinda creepy too.
>Just retire for real, you fuck.
>Giving him more free time to ramble about the industry.
N-no thank you, I'd rather have him occupied in movies.
When you're no longer in the game and can't make a difference yourself anymore, you should can it.
You mean human characters. This has nothing to do with the thread in hand, and realistic characters doing nothing isn't interesting. That's what real life looks like. If anything dramatic happens, it is short and blunt.
This is why the word extraordinary is a synonym for fantastic or amazing. It is out of the ordinary.
>What about fantasy stories that aren't just shitty harems or shows with kids with superpowers?
What the fuck does this have to do with my post?
>Realistic fiction is pretty common in manga
This means, "realistic make-believe stories." What the fuck does that even mean? Stories without supernatural occurrences?
That anime is fucking terrible for many reasons, even if you removed the mech and busty love interest. There's nothing realistic about that show, and that's not why it's shit.
Why are we having this same thread and this same discussion again
>having lives full of interesting experiences
Only if you want to be bored to death by their mundane lives. I guess they could make a SoL show about drinking with their boss because that's the only thing they know how to do
Manga has more variety overall, you have hundreds being published right now.
You have under 30 anime being aired right now.
Everyone on /a/ has to know, and not everyone is here all the time.
It's Miyazaki's opinion, after all.
>That's what real life looks like. If anything dramatic happens, it is short and blunt.
Urobuchi probably has the most realistic character deaths.
/a/ is necessarily at odds with creativity. That's why every indie project that became something is taboo here.
This is a quarantine board for watching fedora-wearing monkeys whack each other with bowling pins over whose waifu is better.
Doesn't stop /a/ from saying "This show is shit!" 6 months after the last episode, does it?
Relatively low costs and higher profit margins are what allow manga to actually take risks.
Miyazaki's opinion < anon's opinion
And yet, out of this 30 anime 25 or more have teenagers as main characters.
From a comedic standpoint sure. Especially the line about anime being disrespectful to women, hilarious.
Unless you can actually think that it's actually going to be a quality show, then I'll just say enjoy it and keep that shit on /co/
The fact that she actually thinks indie is a thing in anime is something to behold.
By indie does she some shitty no name industry that worked on something like Master of Martial Hearts or something?
It's incorrectly translated.
I'd love a source on this. Not that you'll have one.
The same is easily true for manga you gigantic retard. Go over any Shounen magazine and tell me how many have adult main characters.
It's low cost structure is also why its leagues ahead of the western comic industry that was condensed into a very small niche thanks partially to moral crusaders.
Do you really want to compare how many manga have teenagers as the main protagonists? Just because you don't read it, doesn't mean it isn't the vast majority. To pretend otherwise is to feign ignorance.
Then say movement, say "animator a need to observe movement to be able to animate realistically", not "draw inspiration. I don't know how you can draw inspiration off real life.
So what's there inspiring about life? Tell me, really I have a very narrow view on it.
>keep that shit on /co/
/co/ would chew and spit that out. Both /a/ and /co/ work the same way when it comes to things that look like /a/ or /co/ material that they think isn't. Just look at RWBY.
Here's a short breakdown of very famous writers portray dialogue to seem realistic while still being entertaining.
Real people aren't interesting to listen to, they aren't witty, and they can rarely create themes that persist in their conversation for foreshadowing.
Basically, the fandom is its own problem, but if we don't like what we see we have no one to blame but ourselves for encouraging the closed mindedness we've become accustomed to, thereby ushering in an age of creators with no earthly moral, emotional, or creative grounding.
In otherwards, if you want to create good anime, you have to have experienced reality.
I respect that.
The only time I felt I could write was in the midst of the turmoil of growing up.
Now that I've become absorbed I can't write anymore because I've seen it all, and can't describe a damn thing.
>Then say movement, say "animator a need to observe movement to be able to animate realistically"
Not only does Miyazaki say that, but it's been repeated multiple times in the thread.
>I don't know how you can draw inspiration off real life.
By observing movement, and drawing inspiration from real life scenes to anime fictional ones.
>and realistic characters doing nothing isn't interesting
What are you even talking about?
>If anything dramatic happens, it is short and blunt.
Simply not true.
>It is out of the ordinary.
Sure, but it can be realistic. Divorce is out of the ordinary but it's still realistic. Shit, even things like murder are realistic.
I honestly don't see your point. I'm just saying that I would prefer more stories based on real life, even if extraordinary. Not based on fantasy worlds, harem comedies and so on. It's easier to relate to people who behave like real human beings with real problems. Even if they are, I don't know, WW2 soldiers.
>that anime is fucking terrible
Exactly. Shit for boys. Isn't anime for adults? Isn't most anime airing late at night?
I've seen Miyazaki make comments like this before and I'm pretty sure he's using "anime industry" in a broader term than just how convincingly an animator can animate something like this - >>101247566
Disney would have actors come in and do things for the animators, and being able to act and observe is important. But I think his complaint is more like, if a sscene was written about fishermen out fishing, neither the animators or storyboarders or probably even writers would know enough about fishing to make that scene interesting at any level, be it what's going on in the wider sense down to the designs of the boats or the minutiae of the fishermen's movements.
It's more of a writing and storyboarding thing he's complaining about, I think.
That would make for a great Nichibros-esque comedy, actually.
I don't see a problem with anime. I get a large variety of shows I enjoy.
I get to enjoy season 2 of Mushishi soon.
I get to enjoy shows like Qwaser where boy sucks breast milk to power his iron shaping abilities.
Fuck yeah anime is great.
Have you ever watched a bat in flight? It looks odd - not so much like it is 'flying' as 'falling in the wrong direction'. There's a ton of curious little details like that which you'll miss without firsthand observation.
Realism isn't an unshakable mantra, but the creator needs to understand it to use as a base.
Almost forgot that was going to happen.
Anime is saved.
Not that it needed being saved.
>But I think his complaint is more like, if a sscene was written about fishermen out fishing, neither the animators or storyboarders or probably even writers would know enough about fishing to make that scene interesting at any level, be it what's going on in the wider sense down to the designs of the boats or the minutiae of the fishermen's movements.
the problem is instead of attempting research into fishing and making an interesting fishing anime they say fuck it and make another high school romcom.
>I don't know how you can draw inspiration off real life.
Yeah. Spoken like a true neckbeard who hasn't seen the sun for 2 weeks.
>Animating people can only be done by those who spend time observing others, something he feels the industry lacks because its "full of otaku"
Then why is a full otaku studio like Shaft so well proportioned?
Because you don't watch anime for fishing. We have fishing shows for that, so why bother making a cartoon about it? Only a specific few faggots would actually watch it. ;_;
>Shaft so well proportioned
But the right side of their heads are so large they have to constantly lean their head.
tl;dr Miyazaki wants real pedophiles in the anime industry.
Shaft character animation is terrible. Actually, almost non-existent.
>Isn't most anime airing late at night?
>he thinks just because he reads it, it's made for him
It's that kind of narrow thinking that has trapped anime in the niche it's in.
>What are you even talking about?
You might want to reread this entire chain of posts, apparently.
I replied to someone who said no one wants to watch real life, so why bother? I said Miyazaki's point was to observe movement. I used the analogy of making a very boring anime of a man going to work every day, with nothing interesting happening, in comparison to observing people like him waiting for the train in order to create background characters and animate multitudes of him at a train station while our protagonist is freaking out about missing his train or something.
My point never had anything to do with stories being grounded in reality more than fantasy anime. You made the bold assumption that hypothetical anime would be dramatic. It wouldn't, that's the crux of my analogy. You take real life movements to animate your fictional characters. You then jumped to fantasy anime, which was never once even referred to by me.
>Simply not true.
When it isn't short, blunt, painful but ordinary, then it is extraordinary. Hence, not realistic. Normal divorce isn't interesting, but a divorce between two very interesting characters with complicated backgrounds and issues, well that's interesting. But you'll hardly ever find it in real life.
Are you shittin' me?
If you want to take that route
Then why is a full otaku studio like Kyoani or Trigger so fluidly animated?
It's not narrow thinking, it's the reality of the market. Ordinary people only care about cartoons in a few very specific capacities and those are generally related to children.
extraordinary != non realistic
Didn't you know?
Kyoani animators are normalfags.
I actually don't know anything about the makeup of studios, I just watch their shit if I've liked their earlier shit.
>2014 and people are still riding the "HURR SHAFT POWERPOINT ANIMATION!"
To be fair though, Shaft isn't about being reaslistic if anything. In most of their show, the most you'll get is that they're trying to be surreal. I'm not using this as an argument at all. Just stating an observation.
I wonder what Miyazaki thinks about the Toyota Prius, condom use, and cactuses? When will we get an article about these things from Miyazaki? We need to know more about this man's opinions on every aspect of life.
So /jp/ is the problem. I knew I hated them for a reason.
But don't you see what you're doing?, "there is no demand right now so we should never try to appeal to anyone outside the otaku base"; that is exactly the problem.
Both Kyoani and Trigger have got veteran animators that can animate really well.
No, all media should be realistic mature adult shows for realistic mature adults like myself. I am not entertained by mere pretty pictures or base desires aimed at simpletons and the dregs of society. I require deep neurological stimulation, something anime simply doesn't offer anymore, ever since Kyoani made K-ON and invented moey.
>baww anime needs to be normalfag shit for normalfags
No. Fuck off.
Animating what happens in real life /=/ Realistic dramas.
Realism /=/ Interesting fiction.
I've already spelled out what I was saying.
>I didn't read the article
It's okay, no one else did either.
Only Ishihara is a self-proclaimed otaku.
Their other directors like Yamada and Ishidate wanted to work in the live-action industry.
You guys are illiterate. He's talking about the staff.
Great job OP creating a misleading troll thread. Everyone here has been duped
This doesn't change the fact they're Otaku.
Or the fact that Miyazaki is in the closet about being a lolicon.
I'm not talking about the article, but the retards in this thread
I feel like none of you guys get the article, the only thing hes talking about is that anime needs to be drawn realistically instead of big eyed moe characters
>Yamada and Ishidate wanted to work in the live-action industry.
Confirmed for not being good enough to enter live-action
This is the third thread we've had on this tonight and it's all the same shit.
But it's kawaii. uguu~
Apparently you didn't either. He's talking about animation, not art style or aesthetics. MOVEMENT.
bet you fags feel bad
You don't need to be good at anything to do Japanese live action.
You know that even moe anime is watching 'normalfags' right? I mean you don't watch anime about people who stay in their room and browse 4chan all day, it would be crap; you watch it about people who have normal lives. For you to complain about normalfags and then watch them on your anime everyday makes you a hypocritical shit.
You know who's good enough.
tommy lee jones approves
The lack of demand is exactly the problem. These are made by companies. They need money.
They can and do explore alternative revenue streams but they can't magically create interest or demand where there isn't any. Especially when there is an active disinterest.
Not really. Most directors and creators say this.
Miyazaki is just restating it if anything.
This has to be dumbest defense for normalfags yet
I don't feel bad. I enjoy my shows about cute girls but I despise harems, incest shit, visual novels and all this crap for sexually frustrated otaku. Miyazaki and I would be pals.
>They can and do explore alternative revenue streams but they can't magically create interest or demand where there isn't any.
But they can, and that's exactly what they need to do. You think there was a demand for anything until someone created it and made people want it? You don't become rich by just giving people what they want, you become rich be giving people what they didn't even know they wanted.
>implying watamote is crap
>implying a molester man anime wouldn't be amazing
He's absolutely right and there's really no point in arguing. Just accept it and move on.
>I enjoy my shows about cute girls but I despise harems, incest shit, visual novels and all this crap for sexually frustrated otaku.
That's the spirit
proof me wrong faggot, you claim to hate normalfags but you watch them all day long and wish that it was your own life.
It's funny how you guys say he shouldn't be saying anything because he's retired or that he only made films and such.
I mean here we are. On /a/. Most of us have never even done animation before. Or drawn a realistic or bearly passable drawing. Or made a story. Or a film. But here we are still thinking we're entitled to say Madoka a shit, or Non non byori sucks cock.
But Miyazaki can't say anything at all. Because he's retired. And he only made films. Sasuga /a/.
Normals don't like cartoons or animation, whether you're in Japan or America. They only like and recognize Ghibli or Pixar. Those are the only animated works in the world that sells anything outside of niche industries.
anime characters don't act or speak like a "normalfag" japanese person at all you moron. They are highly exaggerated and simplified fantasies who get engaged to dog spirits for example.
Get out normalfag. Faggots like you shouldn't watch anime, just stick to walking dead.
The closest thing to normalfag in any anime I'm watching this season would be the kids in Gin no Saji or Golden Time, but they're all very strange in their own ways.
>crap for sexually frustrated otaku
>but I despise harems, incest shit, visual novels and all this crap for sexually frustrated otaku.
I HAVE STANDARDS!!
99% of everything is total garbage.
It has to be this way or the fucking medium dies. Refine your tastes and you will be able to spot the masterpieces and appreciate them on a higher level than those with poor palates.
>I'm not a loser like you!
At least we watch anime, which is more that can be said of him.
God, I'd hate going to those maid cafes if they really act like that.
>girls as routes
>romance shit everywhere
>sex scenes everywhere
>not crap for sexually frustrated otaku
How about tempura pizzas?
I know jackshit about how the food I order at a restaurant is made, but I sure as hell know when it tastes bad.
It's certainly not about us being the problem, the problem is with the quality of writing shows nowadays have.
I'm not even talking about Moe, or anything. I'm talking about how they write the characters. This is the real problem, not moe. The whole 'animating people can only be done by spending time with others' is a direct observation of the countless self-inserts anime nowadays have.
Aw, someone doesn't like Kakunin's plot twist. But doesn't it only make sense to engage dog spirits to aliens?
Kobeni is best grill btw.
Why is is that Miyazaki creates the same Female protagonist vs evil men and their modernization movies over and over again?
But it's not like ghibli is bad because it appeals to a lot of people, I think most people even here would agree that ghibli is a lot better then most of the crap every season.
>They are highly exaggerated and simplified fantasies who get engaged to dog spirits for example.
that's exactly the problem, not the spirits but that anime people are so removed from reality that they are pretty much aliens at this point. The otaku who are killing anime are people like you, sincerely go kill yourself plz
So you've never played a single VN ever right?
>Specific plot focusing on one female love interest
Must be shit for sexually frustrated Otaku, right?
You didn't get it either. It's not just about animation but about dialogue, themes, character behaviour, storylines and so forth. Every aspect of anime seems to slip away from reality more and more with each year.
>fiction having girls means it's bad
>fiction having romance means it's bad
>fiction having sex means it's bad
I bet he doesn't even watch anime, the normalfag.
Don't take this seriously.
>Romance and sex must mean you're a sexually frustrated otaku.
Someone tell every teenager in America that they're an otaku.
And another chef doesn't?
Then go to the infamous angry bitch cafe. Filled with tsunderes' who will more than oblige to crush your balls
See if any other studio made that child she'd be a curious loli.
Or ugly baby?
The market has chosen.
He hates anything modern. A treehugger if you'd ever see one.
I thought they were ninjas.
This thread is super fun.
>Aw, someone doesn't like Kakunin's plot twist.
That's not what I said at all.
>that's exactly the problem
Fiction being fiction has never been a problem.
>otaku who are killing anime
Japanese otaku are the only reason anime is still alive. You are just sad troll fishing now so I'm going to stop biting.
That only works when you have ignorance on your side. Trying to market against an existing prejudice with limited resources is a losing battle. They attempt to expand overseas rather than domestically because the ignorance is greater and the stigma is lesser.
Which by the way is alright if the viewers realize this and are still ok with it.
Spirited Away must have been an otaku masterpiece since the protag gets the love feeling from a river spirit she used to be childhood friends with.
>VN defense force
Every time. Enjoy your shitty pseudo-books.
>enjoy that think you like
wow you sure told them
>fiction having girls means it's bad
it's bad when it's written badly
>fiction having romance means it's bad
it's bad when it's written badly
>fiction having sex means it's bad
it's bad when it's written badly
-The difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make sense.
The problem with football is that its full of people that like to play football!
Fuck the fans of football and the fact they like to play and watch football! Why would the game called football change the rules to make it more fun for these people? Why! I ask you why!
Pretty much what this has become
I don't mind that ugly baby, what I do mind is that they're trying to pass it off as being happy when it's clearly giving a death glare.
>girls as routes
I don't remember more love interests, nor sex scenes in Spirited Away.
The division of anime genres and character makeup has been stagnant for most of anime's existence, unless you have evidence for the contrary. Moe wasn't invented by Kyoani like most of the faggots pushing your idea seem to think.
>Fiction being fiction has never been a problem.
a fictional human being is still a human being. Being fictional doesn't mean you can just ignore how humans are supposed to behave and act.
>Trying to market against an existing prejudice with limited resources is a losing battle.
It's hard but it's not a losing battle, it can be done if companies actually put some effort into it.
everything was inspired by real life, lolitas? real life girls, emotions? real life, everything you perceive in anime, robots, people, places, character conflicts, betrayal, friendship, came from real life
>That's not what I said at all.
Don't worry man. Just messing with you.
They're ninja alien dog spirits, actually.
Just kidding. They're youkai.
They'll never accept the truth but good try.
I'm not into BDSM. But the way those maids talk is really grating, it isn't sincere.
2D > 3DPD
Exactly you don't mind. But you could be given extra service.
Extra sexual service for the children.
Are you now going to claim that every VN ever was written badly?
>more and more with each year.
Man, just look at all these authentically realistic down-to-earth designs, concepts, and ideas! What the fuck happened to anime, /a/!?
Anime is better than video games. Fuck video games.
You had the Haku route, the no Face route.
But no face is too much of a shy bubbly idiot to be a real contender to the calm and cool Haku.
>a fictional human being is still a human being
No, it's just an idea. It isn't human.
>Being fictional doesn't mean you can just ignore how humans are supposed to behave and act.
If we didn't, we'd never have some of the most famous fictional characters of all time.
I don't thing he was defending older weird anime either.
I love kinnikuman
>no face route
There is no route. You're really trying too hard.
The people who drew those anime have obviously never been outside ever!!!
I haven't said anything about VN's. nor have I specifically targeted anything. Just the fact that it seems that more anime have become just a checklist of traits per character, rather than a story.
I just come here when a new episode/chapter of a series I like is released to discuss it.
>mfw reading this thread
I thought all the things I've heard about you 'otaku' people on here was just people exaggerating patheticness to be funny....
>sex scenes means it's bad and made for sexually frustrated otaku
The Titanic had a VN, right?
>Japanese otaku are the only reason anime is still alive
Yeah no. Shows made for Japanese normalfags are the most profitable. Otaku pandering shows only exist because manga publishers and King Records pay studios to make them.
>No, it's just an idea. It isn't human.
what are you stupid?
The only anime hes defending is his own work, everybody else is wrong
I don't remember saying anything like this. I just stated a fact.
Fantasy is good and well, I don't mind it at all, but if the characters seem like they were drawn by aliens who don't quite understand humanity then something is obviously wrong and that is what has happened "recently".
Please get out and never ever come back. Thank you.
>all these different styles and settings
>everything from this season looks the same
So anime was better back then? What the fuck happened?
>Tekkaman Blade, Yawara, DBZ, YYH
>22 years ago.
Man... I feel weird.
Thank you moefaggots
Nope. They are the most pathetic piles of shit humanity has to put up with and /a/ loves aping them. It's hilariously sad. Especially so because they despise humanity but so desperately create artificial characters that behave in alien manners.
He's the ultimate normalfag.
That's rotoscoped you cheat.
He's obviously pandering for a more mature international market.
Miyazaki should remember what "mature" 'Murikkka did to his work.
It is a losing battle. Several commercial failures have demonstrated that fairly well.
How the fuck are you going to sit there and say the characters in Chu22, Gin no Saji, Hamatora, and Kill la Kill look the fucking same? Are you blind?
how goes the occulus rift technology? Cannot wait to rub my face in Dorothy's cold, steel ass
He is absolutely spot on. Just look at the top selling anime for last few seasons. Not to mention the shitstorm on 2chan and 4chan over silly trivial issues and the anal clenching when studios don't pander to them.
The degenerate otakus keep pumping cash towards moeshit and haremshit which forces industry to drop meaningful projects and pander non-stop if they want to be successful. At the end it's a demand driven industry where otakus vote with their dollars.
>Shows made for Japanese children are the most profitable
not only from an aesthetic standpoint, but from a thematic standpoint as well. And this is the more crucial thing here; nevermind the look, it's the quality of writing that has dropped.
But that was more than 20 years ago and is completely nonrealistic, yet he said anime is getting less realistic every year, that it's devolving, depreciating.
But when was anime realistic in the first place?
I watch anime because I suck at talking to people irl, I don't have to communicate to my monitor.
+it's nice watching anime
>failure means it's impossible to succeed
>what is Tsuritama
That looks so badass, I'd totally watch that over what it actually is.
>it's the quality of writing that has dropped.
Are you? Because Ryuuko is as human as Thomas the Train. The most important aspect of a fictional character is their personality, not their visual shape that you interpret as representing a human being.
I'd rather watch otakushit than Miyazaki.
It's funny to see so many people defending otaku from the evil normalfags but I bet the same people are the ones who would cringe at youtiube videos of anime conventions. Those are the otaku you defend, loud obnoxious idiots you would find on MAL or gaia or whatever.
Just balance out your anime watching with live action entertainment.
>my ideals are totally right despite multiple practical failures
I bet Miyazaki also hates how porn is ridiculous because its not how normal humans interact
Unless they are an actual alien or spirit or whatever, their personality is that of a humans. If they were raised by wolves or are autistic or whatever fine, but a normal person in a normal situation acts like a normal human in reality, doing otherwise is bad writing stright up.
That shit may have made sense 10 years ago, but who in their right mind considers a zombie population who can't be fucked to acknowledge anything outside of their smart phones real people? That ship has long since sailed. Normals are slowly becoming far more fucked in the head than any otaku could ever hope to be.
Anime characters should look like real humans. That's what good fiction is about. No sane person can relate to something that doesn't look like a real-life thing.
That is why Miyazaki is righter than ever. Anime needs to look realistic, or it'll never be able to stay alive. The only people that like such fictitious fiction are otaku's.
guys i don't think he's talking about realistic art styles but more realistic representations of human beings instead of a couple of archetypes regardless of style.
>awesome, yakuza, gangsters
>it's another shitty romcom/harem
Where is my Scarface, you slant-eyed monkeys?
What are you talking about? Anime is perfectly realistic and logical.
>we are the cancer
Speak for yourself moefag.
That's your choice, but it does not solve the underlying problem.
>The same thing
I just think that shitty on people because you need to feel good about yourself is pathetic. I don't think I've ever seen an actual Otaku apart from a few videos posted here, but I've seen and interacted with enough weeaboos to know how much they annoy me.
Not because they're losers but because they're ridiculously obnoxious.
I thought this was common knowledge here.
It was totally the fishing that sold Tsuritama.
Do you even realize how many companies go bankrupt? If you are taking risks there is obviously going to be people who fail. The problem is that the Japanese are so risk averse, they would rather die a slow death then take a risk to break free.
You high or something? The vast majority of those fucker aren't even 'otaku'. They're fucking normals with a nerdy anime hobby. Please shut the fuck up next time.
> instead of a couple of archetypes
But Miyazaki uses his archetypes just the same.
Every artist does in every medium for the past thousands of years.
I despise both.
>What is absolute zero?
Even a middle school student knows basic physics.
Who the fuck is researching for them? Monkeys?
The only problem is you being an ignorant shitposter.
There's constantly anime for otaku and normalfags being made every fucking season. Get the fuck out already.
the moment you put sensitive issues like 'incest' as trivial and write your characters to fulfill that fantasy, it's going to fail miserably
take Oreimo for example, It sets up a rather nice conflict between Kyousuke and Kirino, but in the end, it's all trivialized and becomes nothing but pandering to those who like the whole 'incest' subplot.
O you mean the people who cry and break their anime disks when their waifu isn't pure anymore? I guess they're much better right?
Go read more manga.
Failure is not designated to bankruptcy only. Its also "this shit don't sell, we can't make money off of it because it has no cute girls doin cute things".
Those people are weaboos, not otaku, and they are /a/. /a/ is like 70% or more weeaboos.
The difference about the weebs you're talking about and real otaku is that weebs actively seek out social lives.
Go to sleep, grandpa, it's past your bedtime.
Yeah actually, why?
>BAAAAAAAWW MUH NORMALFAG SHIT DOESN'T SELL
then buy it
then fucking shut up
you are children
hahahaha, they are exactly the same as you faggot. In fact they are proberbly more of an otaku since they are out spending money and you aren't. go cry nerd.
Back to MAL and don't come back until you've watched at least 10 anime.
The anime industry needs more alcohol, guns, grown up WOMEN, explosions and cool shit instead of all this garbage for losers.
Y-you mean there were tsunderes in my egyptian heiroglyphs?
The problem is, we on /a/ are not otaku, nor casuals, we are something else that is in between but in another dimension.
We need a name for our type of audience to differentiate ourselves from otakus. So any future criticism should go directly to these greasy fuckers.
Then you keep trying and find something that does, the mere fact that there have been successful anime in the west proves it's not impossible.
Why would he know that, he doesn't watch any anime anymore. He just looks at the preview descriptions and says "All moeshit like always, fuck you kyoani, I want more cowboy bebop and ghibli"
The characters in Ponyo do not look like humans, unless you're a moron.
>No sane person can relate to something that doesn't look like a real-life thing.
Really? Cause ET made a lot of money.
You are just as bad as those waifufags.
>but a normal person in a normal situation
Anime characters are not normal people in normal situations.
>Then you keep trying and find something that does
This is an 18+ site retard, fuck off back to the kiddie pond.
What do normal japanese people think about the otakus anyway?
>That's what good fiction is about. No sane person can relate to something that doesn't look like a real-life thing.
Holy fuck you are retarded.
>more of an otaku
Good thing I'm not one of those. This fuck >>101250568 beat me to it. You're not trying to fool anyone with your idiotic posts. Get the fuck out.
It's a fucking silly shounen for kids, do you really think numbers matter?
Everything is great and nobody is happy. It's only getting worse.
No, the advantage of anime is that it can do what you can't in reality easily. If you want realistic, there is something called movies.
Who the fuck cares if your shit isn't selling and anime is becoming catered to people who buy stuff and becomes realistic.
Why the fuck is Miiyazaki looking for realism in something animated to begin with. If Miyazaki wanted to realism in how people move and act he should've never moved to animation, where perfection comes into mind. People don't draw ugly people, there are only good looking people. Why would you spend time reminding people of the real world in a medium dedicated to not doing that? Miyazaki is an old and senile man.
They have made several attempts at appealing to a wider market before and they have only failed. Even the stuff marketed at children suffers from declining audiences. They can't just keep throwing money after failures.
>In this post: /a/ glorifies itself even more
It's going to be another taboo anyway. Remember weeaboo(though to be fair, that one started with a negative connotation)?
/a/ - anime hipsters
You are not fooling anyone
>but in the end, it's all trivialized
How? The conflict becomes settled throughout the story.
>There are Human everywhere and animator itself is Human
BUY A FUCKING MIRROR AND WATCH USE YOUR OWN BODY AS A MODEL FOR ANIMATIONS
DA VINCI WAS A FUCKING RECLUSE AND HE DREW BETTER THAN YOU
YOU FUCKING DRIED UP OLD FART.
going to school and talking to girls isn't a normal situation now?
who is they? what are you even talking about?
Anons. Done. I agree with you, lots of criticism is aimed at the wrong party. Also, it never stops being weird seeing people label /a/ as weeaboo, when I'm Asian.
#1 rule in fiction: Fiction has to make sense. This is what separates a bad work of Fiction from a great one.
I'd like to think you've read enough mango or doujin to know.
You didn't answer my question. Oreimo being bad does not mean "Older anime has better writing than newer anime". The fact that you think using incest for trivial entertainment is new is laughable.
Prove to me and everybody else that the majority of older series, in any given decade, has better writing than anime does now.
You also haven't shown how older anime looks more realistic than anime does now, as well.
>One day the anime industry will change again away from lolifags(pedos) and generic action lovers
Why are you so intimidated?
>Teachings kids that temperature can drop billions of degrees below zero
I think accuracy in kids show is more important because they don't know how to differentiate fact from fiction.
>BAAAAW, YOU NEED TO HAVE FRIENDS AND BE A SOCIALITE TO BE PART OF THE INDUSTRY
I don't mind the man but that's just stupid.
So what's his evidence? This is the first time I've heard about anime studios being full of otaku. And why do anime characters need to act like real people? 3D actors don't need to act realistically they just need to act convincingly. Do Miyazaki animators go through a screening process to make sure they're not secretly otaku?
I'm not saying that Miyazaki is wrong, but he should have some support for his claims. This article is too short and not detailed enough to be worth discussing.
Wow. You make me want to go outside and shout at my neighbors, telling them "LOOK AT HERE! I'M NOT THE MOST STUPID PERSON ON EARTH! THERE'S STILL THIS GUY!"
Speaking of anime collapsing in on itself, how are you guys liking no rin?
The Japanese anime industry. Who the hell else would anyone be talking about in that context?
Make sense, in what sense? Are you saying every cartoon that is not aesthetically photo realistic is shit? Where are you getting these rules from?
Please explain why I am intimidated. Of course you can't, fuck off.
Man, Miyazaki's films are shit.
>going to school and talking to girls isn't a normal situation now?
Going to school with your chuunibyou girlfriend, senpai with narcolepsy, your girlfriend's chuunibyou kouhai, a former chuunibyou classmate attempting to pretend her past never existed, and suppressing your own chuunibyou/otaku interests for a more normal social life is not a normal situation.
Running from your family and hometown, because you hate the first and couldn't live under intense academic pressure while being marginalized by your classmates, to an agriculture high school where you get into shenanigans involving the morality of eating dead animals is not normal.
I could keep going..
How exactly would I know by reading those?
>And why do anime characters need to act like real people?
2 teenagers in highschool falling in love is not 30 volumes of blushing, implications and misunderstandings. There are far more topics to be used in a setting like that and they're wasted on cooking lessons and rose colored backgrounds.
It's horrible in every way imaginable
It's threads like these full of assburgers and mudslinging that convinces me that Western comics and animation is better and easy to enjoy.
Most of you guys are in your late 30's, yet fighting like school girls.
Not realistic in any sort of way, but a wonder to look at and entertaining as shit.
>So what's his evidence?
Nobody ever has any evidence for these criticisms.
But why specifically?
It plays the the story of having a crush while in highschool.
>Do Miyazaki animators go through a screening process to make sure they're not secretly otaku?
Wouldn't suprise me if they did.
Instead of defending your taste in entertainment you immediately resort to 'get out'
Scaling dizzying heights using only your bare hands isn't normal either.
There were tsunderes in Greek myth.
That "rule" is utterly retarded. And something can still be believable, realistic and good even if it makes little sense.
How is this different from every other medium? Even documentaries are edited to seem extraordinary.
Yet for Yutaka Nakamura to choreograph a good action scene surely he would have studied fight scenes from movies or at least have a good understanding of human anatomy.
nope. that quote is actually from a well-known author.
also, I've never said that the look should be realistic, It's just that the characters should be written like actual human beings so that you can emphatize with them correctly. not doing so would breed a chicken-and-egg situation that would pollute storytelling practices, like what is happening nowadays when studios just pander to what the otakus like.
Why would I even care about defending my taste when the original moron that I quoted only mentioned that everyone involved in this medium is pathetic? You're a complete idiot trying to stir up some shit. Once again, fuck off.
The monster girl genre also began with mythology.
I wonder if someone actually fapped to Scylla back then.
Without observing other people you can't absorb any sort of acting ability to put into your animations.
When I took an animation course, we animated walk cycles and we took prompts from a hat for how this walk cycle should be, and had to act it out in front of the class while being filmed as preparation for animating. My character was like a sexy Cuban man or something, and I'm a shy unsexy recluse motherfucker. Needless to say, my acting was terrible, and my animation wasn't that good either.
No. Fiction has to be realistic in every way to be good. That is a law of reality.
Shitsubs or Funi rips. I'm spoilt for choice here.
I don't care about Miyazaki and am just here to watch you guys sperg out on each other.
But what he said had a connotation towards other things aside from mere movements. How do you animate two people slapping each other? Or people being surprised from a guy who fell from a 10 storey building?
I'm not so sure but I won't have any idea about those if I don't go out and see it happen to someone else.
>inb4 watch movies
It's explained and portrayed in many of them.
Oreimo and Outbreak both made mention of how society perceives otaku last year.
Welcome to capitalism. Where is the problem?
>OH NO HOW DARE PEOPLE FUND WHAT THEY LIKE
You seem to be getting pretty worked up other nothing really.
I simply said how pretty much all the things negative I've heard about the whole 'otaku' thing seem to be completely true.
>How is this different from every other medium?
It isn't, unless people honest to god think that Bruce Willis has ever played a realistic person.
Would this scene have been as attention grabbing if it wasn't so realistically animated?
Fucking normal situations, we need more of those!
>I think accuracy in kids show is more important because they don't know how to differentiate fact from fiction.
That's totally true. I've learned from Dora that monkeys can talk and I only need to shout "Abre" three times to open a fucking door.
That has fuck all to do with personality though.
It can't be less true. I am sad in person that this moe fad in anime will eventually being thrown into the trash can of history in the future.
> It's just that the characters should be written like actual human beings
Now prove your claim that "the quality of writing that has dropped.".
>Most of you guys are in your late 30's
That's not true at all, most of 4chan's blue boards are college aged.
>Normalfag says Anime is collapsing
>In truth, Outdated Anime like Ghibli is collapsing and Otaku Anime begin to rise. The prove is that most of new studio these days are aim for Otaku market.
In 10 years normalfag Animator have to suck Miyazaki's dick to get the job.
B-b-because it crowds out muh good animes that I don't pay for.
Most girls in anime act like pets who can talk
>implying we're actually not
The greeks also fucked shotas.
But no, anon! This is something otaku made up for their own, self-invented perversion! Humanity has never had an interest in these things!
Nobody is getting worked up when you're used to seeing posts like yours "I don't frequent x but I didn't know y were actually this bad". These aren't news but it sure bring idiots who are going to spread their shit understanding in the future.
If only they made mature adult experimental avant-garde intellectual realistic anime for mature adult experimental intellectual realistic adults like myself. Then the anime industry would boom and prosper.
You're contradicting yourself. Good works of fiction have core rules within the universe.
Can Jean-Luc Picard conjure up a blizzard in Star Trek? I mean, their technology is so far advanced it would be believable.
What exactly constitutes a "normalfag" anime? is is just non "moe" or otaku pandering shows.
Not talking down to slice of life shows I like them just curious what would define a "normalfag" anime.
If I was a feminist, I'd say that's the case for most fiction.
Illustrate and prove how this is even true for anime, let alone different from other forms of fiction.
In 10 years, Miyazaki will be dead.
Or Chiron. Hell, Apollo might have started yaoi too! And don't forget Galatea was the first waifu equivalent.
Otakus = People anormal = Nerds
The only thing fiction needs to do to be good is establish its own set of rules and sticking to them.
Which you can get without going outside.
>Not talking down to slice of life shows I like them just curious what would define a "normalfag" anime.
Something not overly cliche and moe
A series that someone who would not think of picking up iDOLM@STER had already watched at least once.
The only people passionate enough and willing to put up with the bullshit that is the Anime industry are Otaku though.
Any normal sane person would realize that shits not worth it.
Fix the anime industry (like that'll happen) and shit like this will start to improve.
I still wish a small cloud of dust flew off when she landed on the ground.
I don't move at 60fps.
Clearly, the Greeks really need to step up their game if they want their shitty cliche-ridden archetypal stories to stand the test of time and be remembered.
1. when you don't feel cheated with fanservice episodes when the plot revolves around something so life-and-death
2. When the girls in the show act like real girls, and not as magnetized sluts attracted to the MC
3. When the MC actually suffers loss and pain.
Start exercising, fatty.
Miyazaki is write.
There's also necrophilia and all kinds of shit.
Is Circe a pigfucker?
>Good works of fiction have core rules within the universe.
Original poster here.
:"Makes sense' refers to how close it is to our reality.
>What exactly constitutes a "normalfag" anime?
Male ratio is higher.
No school setting.
No underage characters or little to non.
Smoking needs to be involved somehow.
The protagonist needs to be cool no matter what.
Bonus points if there is violence.
well, if KLK is saving anime, I'm pretty sure that shows the shit state of the anime industry.
Then what was Evangelion?
I can flaps my fat folds pretty fast for you, if you want.
pretty much this. No matter how stylized KLK's animation is, It's still the same pandering.
Evenagelion is the anime of anime.
Do you enjoy arguing with retards?
Pic related is how I feel about all Miyazaki movies, plus some OVERWHELMING animation I don't give a fuck about.
So I don't see a reason to even care about what this guy is saying. He's only creating bullshit.
I wish the guy who made Whisper of the Heart could make more stuff ;_;
An OK show overhyped to hell and back.
>At least 20 more posts to bump limit and a couple of hours to 4th and same thread today if there's not one already
Believe me. There would be threads like these for days.
Worry not, Mushishi S2 is coming.
Evangelion is the NGE of anime.
You'll think that shows like Space Dandy would suffice the hunger of the anime connoisseurs and they'll stop posting about how something should be and how something else should be banned.
maybe he's black?
Do you people even bother reading?
The didn't blame the fans, he blames the staff. He is at least adult enough to blame the people that are making it and not the viewers. And there is a tin difference.
evangelion is where the phenomenon started. When everyone started trying to become it, it stagnated everything to a halt. Companies and their yes-men started saying 'we need a character that's like Rei Ayanami', 'we need a Tsundere like Asuka', etc.
The show itself was exceptional, but its effects on the media have destroyed, more than push the boundery.
The threads when Miyazaki retired again and all the shitstorm threads that caused got modded after a while because people kept fucking making them.
>Mushishi confirmed for 24 episodes, 1 cour during the spring, and one during the fall
It's fun watching the "discussion" roll.
At least it's not Gary Motherfucking Oak filling up the catalog.
This thread was really over at this point.
>Apollo's priestesses wrote doujins of him experimenting with his brothers
Let's not forget the Greeks loved incest.
>He is at least adult enough to blame the people that are making it and not the viewers.
You might want to reassess that statement. Miyazaki blames the viewers all the time, this just wasn't one of them.
Wait so evangelion is the haruhi of anime?
This. If the staff continue to pander to otaku, whilst being otakus themselves, the industry will stagnate to death.
It all makes sense why the creator trolled his fanbase now. He knew they were the cancer.
Miyazaki, sir, I think the problem is the writers, not the animators.
The moe boom literally killed whatever was left of the anime industry.
>the industry will stagnate to death
Not this shit again, not fucking again...
>the industry will stagnate to death
If it means we won't have to put up with faggots like you anymore, I'm all for it.
>Evangelion invented anime archetypes
Oh my fucking god, you really are a retard. Do we need to go back to the Mecha era? Do you think people only started copying each other's ideas with fucking Evangelion? Just what the fuck do you think Evangelion even is? Are you this absolutely fucking clueless about the medium?
And you STILL haven't proven that the quality of anime writing has dropped. I asked you this 40 minutes ago.
Honestly this is just trolls trolling trolls at this point
Why am I still here. I'm just browsing this thread while I play video games.
How do you guys feel mushishi becomes moe and the girls do cliche things for the sake of sales?
Even a mushishi beach scene
How will you feel then?
>and the iPad, for which he compared the gestures to masturbation.
Holy shit, that's one tiny penis.
Haruhi invented moe, didn't you know?
not if China attacks Tokyo, and thanks to Otaku Men being...well manchildren. They all get shanked.
Enjoy your literal Chinese cartoons
He'll never leave and forget this inferior and decadent medium. The industry isn't doomed, we are doomed!
Okay hear me out.
Rei in evangelion had clones right.
Like loads of clones to control the evas right and defeat the angels, right?
So what if anime writers do the same thing? Make rei clones.
Go fuck yourself.
When some creators and try and reach out to do something good, the masses completely ignore it.
Dennou Coil, case in point.
The it'd not be the Mushishi I love.
Moe was an important part of anime since the 60's and was in many american cartoons in the 30's.
It'll be great. I'll buy a BD.
Why do idiots still spread this rumour? What troll are you talking about? Neither TV end or EOE were "trolls", they were honestly produced works.
>When everyone started trying to become it
This has been happening since anime was invented you idiot. NGE itself is nothing but a hodgepodge of other popular series.
Just fucking ignore him for gods sake.
it was foreshadowed all along!
>Ginko in a bathing suit
I like it already.
Shows like that were aimed at little girls back then, not made to pander to otaku.
B-but how can they make clones if they're deaf?!
There is no moe boom since moe doesn't sell.
As long as it was true to the source.
>people consider beach scenes as cancer now
Please kill me already.
They can find a way.
Is this real? How stupid they can get?
Considering how low are the sales, I'd say there aren't that many Otaku. There are enough REAL Japanese man to take care of that.
No, they were aimed at adults. It was fucking expensive to go to the cinema.
Mushishi had like 3 beach episodes though. Maybe more.
>mushishi becomes moe
Anime is saved.
Anime is the only industry where artistic experimentation and risks isn't financially rewarded! This is unique to anime, so it must be the otaku's fault! In no other industry does this happen! Books, movies, TV shows, plays,music, every one of them doesn't rely on archetypes and an audience familiar to them!
What is Betty Boop?
Check and mate.
Would you say "DEEP" shows like lain, texhnolyze or tatami Galaxy ect. is normalfag?
at least the comic industry tries. hence why we get the daily nu-52 sucks threads in /co/
China has no reason to attack, that would be Korea. And if China does attack for some stupid reason American won't stand and watch and join the lobby room called Japan. And if Korea attacks both China and America will butcher it. And Russia may join at any point of the time if it decides their enemy have killed enough of each other.
>comic industry tries
That's it, I'm done.
Nope. That's the niche of the niche.
Fucking this. Dead to anime!
they try. they get slammed more for trying to change things up than anything.
>at least the comic industry tries
Nu-52 isn't new or experimental or risky at all. It's the exact same archetypes and cliches with slightly different costumes.
Oh, of course you're a /co/fag who doesn't know anything about anime and is talking out of his ass. Should've known.
And friendly reminder, you still haven't proven that anime writing has gotten worse.
Normalfags don't like strange shows. Those appeal to an even smaller niche. Any normalfag would sleep at Lain or diehard sci-fi fiction.
The only normalfag animation in the world are western crude humour cartoons, and Disney/Pixar movies.
>Browsing /co/ ever
>Going to dumblr 2.0
Kill Me Baby is par for the course.
>You should feel bad about things that you enjoy
This is the same moral of every thread with this sort of topic.
Ah, that's more reasonabl then.
Fuck you ;_;
Are you fucking serious? This post actually made pretty mad 9/10
Do you guys think Miyazaki would be interested for some Jojo?
>Miyazaki explained that animating people can only be done by those who spend time observing others
Why? I mean, I understand that there has to be a certain level of interaction with humans to mimic them, but at a point where your audience sees humanity through the same dusty window pane as the creators, is it really that big of a deal? Help me understand what his objectives would be in order to make the industry "better". Does he want a more diverse audience or does he want a normal audience?
Well yeah, there's hardly any sun in Finland during winter. It's mostly cloudy and/or dark. I think we got some sun today during the morning.
Man, this anime industry just won't fucking die. You people told me that it was going to die soon!
IT'S BEEN DYING FOR 3 DECADES, DAMMIT!!!
WHY WON'T YOU DIE, ANIME?
Fucking control freaks.
Why didn't we listen!?
The industry doesn't die even when killed.
I'm absolutely not serious, so don't get too mad.
When it dies, I can finally finish my rotting backlog.
>going to the theater in the 30's
Read a fucking book.
He wants to feel that his dick is sucked more, since apparently he doesn't get enough of that.
YOU NO THIZ AINT AIM AT YOU /A/
BUT THAT THOSE JPs CLOSED OTAKUS
DONT TAKE THIS SO SERIAL MAN
SO STOP BLOWING HOT WIND ON SOMETHING WHICH ANYONE CAN FIGURE OUT IF THEY GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT
MOE AINT KILLING THE INDUSTRY JUST CONSTRICTING IT MAN
BUT IT WILL CHANGE SOON AS THE INDUSTRY IS GETTING ABIT MORE FUNDING
FOR INTERNATIONAL CONSUMERS
>it was posted on one of my birthdays
>trying to change things
What? Just stop.
Fuck you, Hashimoto.
No seriously. Please grow up faster so I can fuck you.
Not even animating Breaking Bad will save the industry.
I can't believe people actually believe this.
>late night anime means anime porn
That you can communicate using a natural language is proof that you've had an abundance of human interaction. The notion that people who don't get out are fundamentally ignorant of the details and subtleties of human interactions is not only a fallacy but abject stupidity.