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Give me one good reason why SAO is bad besides mob mentality of hating popular things.
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>>101241230
Judging by OP, it has a whiny, insecure fanbase.
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>>101241230
Kirito bullshits his way through code itself, (something that is calculated by machine rather than raw willpower)
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>>101241314
/thread
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>>101241314
Don't forget about the vegetable marriage, mustn't forget that.
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It shat on its entire original premise that it used to get people interested in it in the first place and took a sharp 90 degree turn in regards to story direction after the first 3~4 episodes, becoming something completely different than what everyone who wasn't familiar with the source material and had only seen the previews was expecting it to be.
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i haven't heard of it before watching the show. i enjoyed it. it pulled on the hearts strings ya know.
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>>101241756
You are objectively wrong, its the smartest anime in decades.

See pic related.
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>>101242207
Damn, you got me. Have a gif.
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>>101242207
I wonder what he thinks of LH.
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They ignored everything about it being an MMO game, and Kirito just does what ever the fuck he wants because fuck the rules, I'm the main character.

Girls don't really do anything either. They only exist to fall in love with Kirito, then are to be discarded when he moves onto the next one.
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>>101242521
Isn't that a kopi-pasta, though?
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>>101242821
No shit it's pasta
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>>101242576
Why does there even need to be a dichotomy? I understand the obvious reason for linking LH and SAO (the online game aspect), but it seems to me like they're in entirely different genres despite that.
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>>101242821
Isn't it right, though?
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>>101242895
The Kotaku guy thought SAO was smart because he thought it accurately portrayed what would happen if people got trapped in an MMO. LH blows SAO out of the water in that aspect, so I was wondering what he thought of it.
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I remembered when someone said LH is a total SAO knockoff on mal
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>>101241230
Shit characters, shit twists, just shit in general. I only watched because it was so damn shitty that perverse sort of grandeur creeped up on it. Some things are just so bad you have to clap at the sheer amount of FAIL in the thing.

Total trainwreck, shat all over a very interesting and engaging premise and the second part just shat on it even more by giving us one the gayest main villains ever. They could have done so much more with him, he'd have been amazing if they made him like a Kotomine without the guilt and the lust for the love interest. He'd just be pretending to be into her, to see the agonized look on Kirito's face and REJOICE in it.

Again, so SO much potential, and they shat on it. That's why it's shit.
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>>101243008

Why the fuck would you give a shit about some retards opinion on Kotaku?
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2 Years worth of semen ruined it beyond repair
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Time to bring the screencap back up.
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>>101243104
They're funny
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>>101243071
I remembered when that was rampant on /a/ for a while.
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>>101243071
The premises are much different, though they share an origin point. Other than that they're completely different. I remember people once said that Tolkien was totally ripping off the Nibelung Ring with his Ring of Power. He said "Both are round and that's as far as the similarities go" and he was right.
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>>101243146
Oh god, what
Did the author seriously go there
Son of a bitch, I had no idea the self-insert wish fulfillment was this strong
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>>101246169
He wouldn't have that. Wet Dreams are a kind of failsafe mechanism to cope with how humans are about the "horniest" liveforms on the planet. We're pretty much always "in heat" as it were. Sex for the sake of it is pretty much "our thing" in that regard. Good thing it tends to no result it fertile offspring...
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>>101241230

Some people had problems with SAO taking place in an MMO but not really incorporating the kind of gameplay that you might expect, i.e. little to no teamwork/coordination on the part of the players. I can live with this incongruency. I'm not big on MMOs so it doesn't bother me.

What bothers me more is how Kirito just blasts every motherfucking thing away. In each of the battles it seems the foe is destroying everyone and everything, even giving Kirito trouble. But instead of using intellect or formulating a thoughtful strategy, Kirito's reaction is to become even more overpowered and blast it away. He does this on command without any real explanation as to what his new strategy is aside from "Everyone's getting murdered. Guess I'll go faster." Like, nigga why weren't you doing that from the start? You clearly have the ability to kill everything at will why don't you just fucking do that it's what you inevitably do anyway.

Another problem is Asuna's whole fucking character. I'm convinced the writers did not know who the hell they wanted her to be. In the first couple episodes she is this hooded mystery girl. A strong, reliable, helpful soloer and not just someone for Kirito to save. This is the character she should have been throughout the show.

Instead, a few episodes later she is now a member of a guild, she has lost her hood and any mystery surrounding her and her skills is crushed. Forgive me if my memory is off but I think for an episode she was even a bit of a tsundere bitch arguing with Kirito about something or other. Can't remember what it was.

Just a few episodes after that, Kirito almost gets killed and Asuna is literally falling all over him crying. I can't remember any indication that she cared for him so much. Following that she becomes little more than Kirito's fuckdoll/kawaii master chef.
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>>101243146
Every thread.
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I thoroughly enjoyed SAO and its easily in my top 10, even the second arc which many claim is worse that the first one but I think holds up just fine in comparison
any one else exited for SAO II?
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Its moral is shit and it took a good slightly original idea and turned it into a super generic love story with no depth.
Not to mention the main character is a emo superman
Also what kind of heroe wins via hax? Thats just shit writing
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>>101247297
Is klein in it?
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>>101247051

cont.

And of course the biggest problem was the second half of the show. The fairy king Oberon is going to digitally rape Kirito's caged e-wife. But not yet. Let's just waste 10 episodes talking about it. What the fuck. Another change to Asuna's character(now she really is just someone for Kirito to save) and the show is now a disaster.

I have other issues with the show that I won't go into. Like how it seems to be written for sister-fuckers with a cuckold fetish. SAO was mildly entertaining for the first half despite what shitty characters Kirito and Asuna are.

Started watching Attack on Titan yesterday and I realize if SAO had incorporated some of the elements of AoT(frightful enemies, actual strategy/teamwork, overwhelming and persistent adversity, etc.) SAO would be greatly improved. Throw out the Alfheim Online bullshit, focus on conquering all 100 floors and make it interesting.

Fuck it. At least we got some decent H out of it.
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>>101247051
they should have focused on how Asuna felt for Kirito a lot more but.

if you watch the recent OVA and read the book.

Asuna was already interested in Kirito, at first he just saw him as a very strong player, but after Kirito showed her how people can still live their lives inside the game world (when they took the nap outside) thats when she started having feelings for him (somewhere along the lines of floor 50 I believe) and she started trying to be around him often, it was also part of her duty anyway since she would go around recruiting solo players for boss raids, so he had to know the strong solo players.

however you get none of that in the anime and you only get that from the books (slightly) and some more in the OVA when she explains it to the other girls.
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>>101247575
that's asuna

what about his cousin/sister?
what about the nurse who he never spoke to in two fucking years who loves him?
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>>101247051
Asuna's character.. changes a lot. But that's to be expected when you consider the two years in the game.
Of course, the biggest problem with the anime, it that the Light Novel isn't structured or planned to tell a linear story (at least not for the Aincrad arc).

The first book basically starts off on the first day with Klein, and then jumps two years, to when Kirito catches that rabbit and has Asuna cook it. I'm fairly certain this was meant to be a sort of one-shot, that the author posted online, but after some popularity, he continued (SAO was a web novel before anything).
Literally everything in the anime that happened between Episode 1 and Episode 8, is what one might call "supplementary material", as it was covered in side-stories published later on, to fill some gaps.

This is also the reason Asuna's character seems a bit nutty. You say that you don't remember "any indication that she cared for him so much", when really the anime just dropped tons of hints (I'm pretty sure on the Lisbeth episode she admits to liking him...?)
That aside, you have to read the LN to really understand her character.

Personally, I wish the anime wasn't made until Reki finished up his Progressive series, (which basically was supposed to detail the progression of Aincrad as it was cleared.) Episode two had the first chapter, but the anime butchered it for some reason.

>>101249175
What about his sister? I mean, it's pretty out of no where, but it's not really impossible.
The nurse? What nurse?
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>>101249175
the nurse doesn't love him, she was just HER patient, just doing her job.

I guess she cleaned him and all that shit for 2 years, will also nurse him again in the future
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>>101252548
her I meant Kirito was just her patient, she is just nice to him.
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>>101241230
Because the anime is shit while the LN better?
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>>101252548
>>101252670
What nurse is he talking about anyways? Nurse Aki? She wasn't in the Anime though, and I think that person is anime-only.

The counselor in the Extra Edition? What makes him think she likes him?
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>>101253335
I think he was referring to that nurse, I have no idea why he thinks she likes him though, and she does appear in the novels, at least she will appear in Gun Gale.
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>>101253444
The one in Extra Edition was Anime-only.

Nurse Aki, on the other hand, should be appearing a few more times after GGO.
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>ctrl+f
>gary stue
>deus ex machina
0 hits
Seriously /a/?
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>>101247051
This mostly. But I would argue against them showing MMO mechanics simply because there weren't shown any real fights. It was either Kirito vs low-level or Kirito going crazy against a boss. Something everyone considered suicidal.

I heavily agree with Asuna tho.

The anime should have fixed those things, but they went the easy way and just adapted the shit even worse. Fucking stupid.
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Watch more anime is all I can reccomend, cause SAO is shit and you'd know that if you've seen more than 10 anime. Fan Service, Bad Characters, Bad Writing.
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>>101253833
and with that you just prove to the OP right about the mob mentality.
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>>101253616
Don't think the "Gary Stu" fags are on... Or they've gotten tired of repeating it..?

>>101254117
Not really. I think he's trying to say that SAO is just a lower standard compared to other Anime

Though, Fan-Service is pretty rampant in most anime, and SAO did it more-or-less casually (until the second arc, where I suspect more than one of the animators was into little sisters)
Bas Characters... I can't really argue against that, other than say "LN"..? Same for the Bad Writing part, but the LN doesn't fix that until later arcs..
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Seriously underdeveloped characters and world
Pissweak, inoffensive designs
Meh Kaijura ost
AWFUL pacing. Seriously the sao arc finale was just thoroughly ill conceived
It's literally a junk food harem show. At best.
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>>101254208
>Not really. I think he's trying to say that SAO is just a lower standard compared to other Anime

though OP didnt mention anime, so he could as well be speaking of the LN.

and you know that this novel/anime was spoiled sooo much that you don't really have to watch the series or read the novels to know almost everything that happened.

every details got questioned so much to the point where people could nitpick anything, seriously you could do that to any series and come up with a ton of details as well.
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It's trite, cliche, wish fulfillment fantasy.

The author never develops his characters or their personalities. Rather than being shaped by their experiences with the world or other characters, they're just given traits, experiences, and feelings. It comes off as contrived. There's a goal, and the author doesn't know how to get to it, but he just makes it happen anyway. Kirito is the best player in the game. We don't see him train or strive to be the best. We don't see any real motivation for him to become the best. We're never given any indication that he has a natural talent for this stuff. We see no struggles to becoming the best. He's just the best because the author wants him to be. This is bad writing and you see it all over the place.

Despite having no describable chemistry, Asuna and Kirito are in love. There is no real building of a relationship. There is no relationship maintenance. They just go from 'platonic' to 'the strongest love in existence' because the author wanted a them to. The power of their love is strong enough to break the rules of the game, however we are given no insight into what makes it so strong or why they love each other so much. It's a purely two dimensional relationship that the author willed into existence.

The entire story is events occurring due to the will of the writer rather than a logical conclusion from the world he created. That's why it's bad.
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I don't think the main girl is all that cute. Isn't that reason enough? That's what anime really comes down to.
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>>101254339
if you wanted to read something where the love of the characters grow little by little and shit like that, then read things like Toradora, Kimi no Todoke etc, where the main point is doing just that.

SAO is a mix of action, adventure and harem series, its does neither really well, but its world setting was pretty good.
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>>101254560
>Harem
I'm not quite sure people are using this term properly.

Suguha is the only character, whos feelings for him affected the story at all, other than Asuna.
Lisbeth likely like him a lot, but she backed off pretty quickly, and I think that scene at the end of the second arc was just a gag.
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>>101254729
true about that, Lizbeth knew he was taken and backed off.
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>>101243146
>Volume 1
This early in the story? Or are they fucking in the game?
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>>101255022
Read the thread.
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>>101255091
So it's a wet dream? That's still pretty creepy.

Did they show it in the anime?
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I want a "trapped in a videogame" anime about quake directed by Koichi Ohata using late 80s style animation.
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>>101255022
SAO wasn't written the way the Anime was made.
Volume 1 is first episode, and jump 2 years, all the way to episode 8. It ends with Kazuto waking up in the hospital. Everything else was from later side-stories to fill in gaps (Including the Yui story. In the book, they skipped like a week or two of their "Honey Moon", to the end)
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>>101255151
>Did they show it in the anime?
Yeah. But not the explicit part. Even author removed it from web novel when he was turning it into light novel.
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>>101241230
The 12 year olds Narutard fanbase.
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/a/ needs to stop hating on
-SAO
-Naruto
-Guilty Crown
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>>101254560

I'm not talking little by little. I don't need extreme granularity, just any granularity.

SAO just makes things happen. They put up a timejump card and ask you to fill in the blanks with your imagination. It isn't a story told through a sequence of logical events. It's simply points that the author wanted to happen, so they happened.

It writing and storytelling that only works if you want it to work. You can't start asking questions about how and why. Why is Kirito the best? He just is. Why are they in love? They just are.

It's all completely paper thin. The action is paper thin. None of the fights are exciting because there's no rhyme or reason to them, just Kirito willing himself to be faster. Despite lives being on the line, there's no tension. The adventure is uninteresting because the places have no build up or history. There's no culture. There's no effort shown in reaching places. There's no harem. Kirito has no chemistry with anyone he meets because he's intentionally a self insert character.

I'm not saying you can't enjoy it. We all have our weaknesses, but it's not good. The writing really just isn't good at all.
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>>101255394
>Why is Kirito the best?
Constant level grinding, insane reflexes, and attending nearly every boss-fight?

>Why are they in love?
Likely a number of reasons, though I would like to think that him saving her, early in the game (omitted from Episode 2) and the two partying together for several floors afterwards (after Episode 2) may have had something to do with a bond. Could have turned to love at any point.

Your other points just seem to be your opinions though. I don't really see it like that.
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>>101255394
>It writing and storytelling that only works if you want it to work. You can't start asking questions about how and why. Why is Kirito the best? He just is. Why are they in love? They just are.

well you do kinda get that from just watching the first 2 episodes mate, Kirito is actually a nice guy, taught a girl that was depressed sitting all alone that you could enjoy the little things in life, like when he gave her some of that mayonaise thing he made, which made her really happy at that moment, or how he took on all the hate against beta testers onto himself, though I don't think she personally noticed that was his intention but if it was, then that would have served as bonus points as for why Kirito could have been awesome (to her).

you also learn that Kirito was already the best beta tester since he made it way farther than the rest and new the good grinding spots and since he was alone he could get better shit more often than people in a group.

it doesnt really take much imagination, especially if you have played games before, remember that this happened in the 1st month they were in the game, by the time the anime skips 2 years, of course alot more things had happened between him and Asuna (they did often team up to beat bosses), but its up to guess how well it went and we at least know that they talk to each other quite casually, though we didn't learn till Xtra that Asuna was already gunning for him.

Kirito is not the best though, you asume he is the best because he has that 2 handed sword skill, however other players had unique skills too, but not mentioned except for Hiethcliff.
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>>101255394
>It's simply points that the author wanted to happen, so they happened.
You do realize that all writing does this without exception, right? The only difference between SAO doing it and other stuff is that other stuff hides the fact that you're seeing only what the author wants you to see better.
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>>101243083
About 1/3 of this was actually intellectual.
The other 2/3 is what I expected for a response in this kind of thread.

At least go into why it's shit other than saying "shit" over and over again.
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Why are they in love?

actually the book and extra pretty much say that he started getting feelings for him at that moment when they both took a nap on the grass, it happens in the anime but it's not spelled out for you.

as to why Kirito loved her, probably because she was the only one who understood him and knew all the shit he had gone through, all the deaths he caused and still accepted and comforted him
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>>101255883
>she was the only one who understood him
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>>101255883
>at that moment
Not quite then. That's around the time she realized it.
It's also kind of hinted later in that story, when she asks Kirito about finding out something about someone he loves.

Him loving her in return... it more questionable. Though, I would say she was just more pushy.

And again, he'd known her for a lot of time, and had fought along side her a lot too..
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It started out interesting,but it took a shitdive really early.It's wasted potential
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>>101255706
>You do realize that all writing does this without exception, right?
No it doesn't. Stop spouting bullshit.

One things that I hate for example is that Asuna is supposed to be sub-leader of best guild in the game. Yet we never see any character traits or skills that would actually go along with this position. I can't really imagine someone like Asuna being a leader the way she is presented in the anime.
Same with Kirito. He is loner who is strongest on server and grinds every day many hours. Yet, his character is completely casual. Things like this affect person's character and psyche.

Thats why it feels wrong to many people.
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>>101256151
Asuna was called the flash for something, she had built herself a reputation as one of the strongest.

Kirito had a laidback nature, but because he played alone, everytime he was with someone he would take the upmost care for that person because gaps, hes had bad experiences playing with other people.

he was afraid about Asuna as well, but Asuna still decided to stick with him and was a capable fighter herself.

they don't flat out tell it in the anime, but in the books where there is alot more detail you get these things, also people were more laid back since they had develop strategies to explore and to attack bosses which greatly reduced casualties to the point where they managed to complete around... 20 floors without losing a single person.
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>>101256151
>No it doesn't. Stop spouting bullshit.

>Denying that stories are created by authors
>Denying that said authors have a plan for the story
>Denying that said plans don't involve specific things they want to happen

What universe are you from?

>Yet we never see any character traits or skills that would actually go along with this position
We don't really see much of this in the anime, but she's really authoritative. There's maybe 2 scenes that show this though... But yeah, we don't see this because we only ever see 2 Boss raids, only one of which was when she was a Guild sub-leader, and most of that was skipped for one reason or another.

Though, I don't see why she COULDN'T be a leader..

>He is loner
Not completely by choice.
The second episode was part of the reason, as he pretty much outed himself to protect beta testers, and info-brokers. Made it more difficult for him to be in a guild, and the one Guild he did join was wiped out, and he's guilt ridden because he think he could have stopped it.
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>>101255706
>The only difference between SAO doing it and other stuff is that other stuff hides the fact that you're seeing only what the author wants you to see better.
No shit. Duh. You think this is some minor thing, though? Some inconsequential difference? SAO's author completely misses the mark of even being semi-competent in being able to suspend the disbelief of the observant viewer.
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Sword Arts Online is the greatest epic anime of our time. No anime has done war, peace, love, government, class struggle, and existentialism like SAO.
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>>101256447
I'm not quite sure what in particular you're talking about here. Which scene was ruined by the "author's inability to suspend the disbelief" of the reader?
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>>101256348
That doesn't explain things.
even IRL, position of guild leaders have to deal with tons of bullshit and thats not counting the death penalty. There is no way someone who is good in fight would be good in position of a leader.

>Kirito had a laidback nature
That doesn't explain things. Living your life on an edge for years changes you. Kirito is same from start to finish.

>>101256393
>I don't see why she COULDN'T be a leader
See above. Leaders like that usually have aura of importance and authority. This makes sure people listen to her. She doesn't have that.

>>Denying that said authors have a plan for the story
If you actually read the thread, you will realize there was no plan in SAO. Author just happened to make something people liked so he kept expanding. And anime instead of fixing the continuity and character development just fucked it over.
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>>101256483
The books even talk about the ethics of drone strikes, and the rights of AI.

What more could you want?
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>>101256447
what he meant was, some authors go into much details because he wants to make a point, some authors drop hints and leave parts for the imagination, no need to go deeply into things or else the novel might get to long just to make 1 point, when its not really that necesary.

its basically like you are being an autist because , you have to see Kirito and Asuna, day by day going out killing baddies in order to slowly advance their relationship, when an author can imply they met, had a nice conversation and coop with each other and then many months later they still know each other but now the girl really likes him.
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>>101256512
The LN didn't really have problems with continuity. The Anime fucked it up though.

As for Asuna, and an "aura of importance", do you want her to be a stiff general 24/7? Because that's how she was in front of most people.
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>>101241230
You should try watching it.
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It was a fun watch if you aren't some fat sweaty neckbeard that masturbates over every imaginable detail and storms straight to the internet to post heavy criticism as soon as something doesn't quite add up.

Entertaining show, probably could have been better but what can you do?

Accel World was better though.
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>>101256512
thats how you view online gaming anon, its not necesarily true for every guild or every game.

you are preaching like those mmorpg players that just have to have their holy trinity system to play or the game is shit. Asuna was in charge of maintaining relations with strong solo players in order to have them participate with the guild during boss raids and to monitor the progress of the front.

Kirito does change anon, he tried changing, lived an awefull experience due to it and reverted back even worse, till Asuna forced him to join his guild.
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>>101256497
Like many others have already pointed out, so many of the events in this show happen only because the author wants the end result. He doesn't put much thought at all in how well he can set things up along the way to that end result. Often the reasons for something happening are transparent, so by the time the point the author has wanted to make presents itself, it all seems superficial.
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>>101256777
he asked him to point them out, so point them out
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>>101256552

It's called pacing, and SAO's is absolute shit. I won't be speaking for the LN, but in this regard the anime was horrible, and I can't see how anyone can defend it.
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>>101256620
>Because that's how she was in front of most people.
No. Most of the time, she is either angry tsundere or a girl. We are never really shown how she acts in the guild or how she solves guild problems.

>>101256691
>its not necesarily true for every guild or every game.
But it is true for every TOP guild.

>Asuna was in charge of maintaining relations with strong solo players in order to have them participate with the guild
Thats what I'm talking about. The way she acts doesn't indicate she is capable of that. If she was, the problem with her bodyguard would never happen.
You probably weren't in any guild that actually focused on doing content. Because then you would know how fucking hard is to deal with drama guildmembers can do.

>Kirito does change anon
Not really. He is same Gary Stue from beginning to start.
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>>101241230
Kirito is a textbook self insert Gary Sue.
He somehow does what this anon says >>101241314
For some reason his sister is actually his cousin and because of that she thinks its ok that she craves his dick.
Kirito talks normally and friendly to Kayaba the man responsible for killing 3000 young gamers and nearly killing him and his waifu
Vegetable marriage.
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>>101256552
The shallow relationship between Kirito and Asuna is not the only problem this show had. There's a difference between going into too much detail, which makes the pace feel dragged out, and not going into enough detail, which makes things not have enough depth. SAO falls into the latter category.
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>>101256828
Kirito in any boss battle. Even though he grinds to a ridiculous amount, the fights tend to start out with him getting whipped. Now, the author is in a pinch because he's shit at getting the main character to win with intelligence alone. So what does he do? "Go faster, Kirito. Yeah." Seriously, it's a joke. Why is Kirito so strong? Oh, because he grinds so much. He's honed his skills from all the time he fights by himself. That would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that there's nothing to stop all other players from doing this. Not only is there nothing to stop them, but it's in their benefit to start grinding the shit out of the game just like Kirito does. Ah, but they can't do that because that's the only way the author knows how to make his main character so strong. And we can't have characters be absolutely equal or even superior to him in strength.
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Why people still respond to SAO threads?
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>>101256859
>No. Most of the time, she is either angry tsundere or a girl. We are never really shown how she acts in the guild or how she solves guild problems.
See: Episode 5. This is more or less an example of how she treats everything.
The beginning of that episode I think is a clearer example, but most of that scene was cut from the anime.
See: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/105369/sword-art-online-material-edition-soushuuhen-doujinshi_ch1_by_tap-trans
It's a pretty short manga by the author.

>>101256897
>He somehow does what this anon says
>refers to an anon that has no idea what he's talking about

>For some reason his sister is actually his cousin and because of that she thinks its ok that she craves his dick.
What's wrong with incest? And it's not like she thinks it's "ok". She's just had 2 years to think about these feelings.. Two years alone, waiting for him to come back. So... yeah.

>Vegetable marriage
What about it? I mean, it wasn't legally a marriage. Just Sugou being adopted into the family.

>>101256910
>not going into enough detail
Anime-only problem. Most of what happens is pretty clearly explained, though the anime makes everything weird.

>Why did Diabel refuse to be healed? And how did Diabel give a whole speech before dying?
>Oh? You mean that didn't happen in the LN? You mean he only managed to say 2 or 3 words before dying?

>How did Kirito come back to life? Anime shows him breaking into pieces, and then coming back together.
>Novel actually just has it where Kirito stabs Kayaba an instance before he shatters.
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>>101257143
>Anime-only problem.
Maybe, but this is never a legit justification for an adaptation to be so terrible. An adaptation should be good enough to stand alone and carry its own merits and not rely on the merits of the source materiel.
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>>101256859
again, this is just your point of view on how a guild should act.

Asuna just didn't want to be disrespecful with his guildies anon, Asuna was a new player after all, having to mantain relationships doesn't mean she has to be a bitchy cunt all the time and nor would I want to have seen her doing her guild work, but if thats something that gets you off then too bad for you.

>>101256897
yes its called bugs and people do the darnest things to find bugs in a game and exploit them, computer code is not bug proof and is actually part of the plot.

also, Kayaba was Kirito's idol of sorts so he respected the man at first, when they actually talked normally was when he though they were all dead, sure he could have been mad but I guess he had accepted the outcome or had grown up.

>>101256910
SAO had plenty of details, but in different aspects that interested some and not others, but you'd have to read the books since the anime doesn't cover the whole though process of Kirito.


anyway. theres never an end to this SAO threads, so since its getting really late im off.
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>>101257107
>shit at getting the main character to win with intelligence alone
There's the Murder Case story (that the anime butchered to avoid confusing its poor viewers)
There's parts of the Rondo story (which wasn't adapted into the anime)
There's also most of the next arc, that should be Season 2... Though, anime will probably gloss over this.

>That would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that there's nothing to stop all other players from doing this
According to the book, there are maybe 100 players on the front lines.
about 70% of the players are still on the first floor, too scared to leave the starting city. The rest are scattered through-out, as mid-level players.
Of the players on the Frontlines, he has maybe a 5 level advantage over most players

His only real advantage is the Reflexes the author likes to remind everyone he has.
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Romance was sloppy as a post-mexican meal shit.

Other than that, I liked it.
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>>101257257
its accepted that the anime is a shitty adaptation since it aired, you don't need to go on your crusade to try and prove what we already know, however don't try discredit the novels just because the anime was bad.
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>>101247419
He plays a small part. He is the first guy to figure out who the bad dude is
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>>101257293

This. The anime butchered the SAO novels like how the Hobbit movies butchered the book. Both of them are great works but you have to read the source material.
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>>101257257
Like >>101257293 said, I don't care much for protecting the Anime, considering how many holes it left.
That whole thing about Kirito coming back to life was... ridiculous. The least they could do was animate it better.
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>>101247297
yes, very and hopefully mother rosario gets adapted as wel
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Episode 3 is a masterpiece of anime.
For those who don't remember it's Sachi's episode.

Even if you hate the show you have to agree on this one episode.
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>>101257340
If this is done right, I might cry more than clannad.
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>>101257340
>>101257373
>They will butcher Mother's Rosario like they butchered Aria in a Starless Night
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>>101257409
I'm yet to read the progressive series.

Was author retarded or did someone get beat the fuck up?
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Main character is the only person in the game that gets shit done, everyone else serves to make him look good. Get's all the cool shit because ffuck why not ("You are the only player in this ENTIRE game that can dual wield"). He's that character that every 14 year old dweeb makes in an MMO - dark, fast, cool, unique (except there's a thousand of him)

All the girls are after his cock exactly 5 minutes after meeting him (later on they want it before even meeting him due to his reputation)

Only female character that can get anything done gets imprisoned in season 2, leaving the spotlight for the busty sister/cousin cliche
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The only good thing on SAO is how it described the starting town later in the game. The guy with the fruit was phenomenal.
Everything else is meh.
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Kirito is the only player character in the game that wears dark clothes.

It could not stray more off reality than that.
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>>101257470
Here's a run-down of how the Anime screwed up the Aria story.

>Kirito doesn't meat Asuna before the meeting, in a dungeon, while Asuna is level grinding.
>No Argo
>There were actually two meetings, but both were squeezed into one.
>No Argo
>Nothing about how "Kiboua" was trying to buy off Kirito's sword through Argo, so he wouldn't be as strong at the boss raid. (seeing as his sword has been enhanced to near max)
>No Asuna Bath scene
>Diavel's death apparently took 5 minutes in the Anime.

>No Argo.
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>>101257259
>yes its called bugs and people do the darnest things to find bugs in a game and exploit them, computer code is not bug proof and is actually part of the plot.
Cardinal was there partly to patch out game breaking bugs on the fly though.
Not only Kirito but also Asuna did things that should not have been possible several times, at least once before the fight against Kayaba, which should have been detected and hotfixed by Cardinal. And these are the few cases that are described in the series. You have to remember that the entrapment took place over two years beginning with 10,000 players, these can't have been the only cases of this occurring.

Asuna's breaking of paralysis and Kirito's resisting death are pretty extreme to be called bugs too because the code can be quite simple.
if (status == 'paralysis') { }
Willpower can't do anything about that. It doesn't matter how hard to you click outside the map bounds your willpower will not break the definite fact you cannot walk there.
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FUCK I just imagined how awesome SAO would have been if it had been written Game of Thrones style.

Like, with maybe 15-20 characters that we would follow during the series, and see how they would react to being imprisoned.
That way we could see a lot more romances that were legit instead of just one guy getting all of them.
We could also see more people being killed off after we got to know them (to be fair, early SAO had a couple of these)
Or maybe have some of them slowly turn evil due to all the shit they go through (friends dying etc)
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>>101257659
tangential, but in Log Horizon I don't get why 75% of them aren't girls with males' voices. After all, the transformation pots are supposed to be quite rare
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>>101257709
Both of Reki's works, SAO, and AW, have the concepts of "Willpower vs the System".
Alicization delves more into this.
So it's really more of the authors ideals or whatever, showing through his work (apparently)

Though, Kirito didn't really "resist death"... he just stabbed Kayaba before the death sequence destroyed his avatar. Nothing has really said that you can't move after your HP reaches 0.

>>101257659
That is something I noticed. Really odd. Though, it could just be that the animators didn't want everyone looking alike.

>>101257829
Actually, I recall that in a later book (volume 7?) it's apparently revealed that over time, someone who had a gender-bent character eventually "adapts", and their voice changes to match their body, as well as their personality.

So yeah... that's a thing.
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>>101257758
>FUCK I just imagined how awesome SAO would have been if it had been written completely differently.
Yes. That could have solved everything.

>>101257887
Alicization has absolutely nothing to do with the SAO arc though.
NOTHING.
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>>101257906
Well, Underworld was programmed by the Seed, and has a Cardinal System.. soooo...

Also, in Gun Gale online, the main villain has a 6th sense that allows him to know what someone's about to shoot him, from somewhere he can't see.
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>>101257887
>Though, Kirito didn't really "resist death"... he just stabbed Kayaba before the death sequence destroyed his avatar. Nothing has really said that you can't move after your HP reaches 0.
Yes he does. Read the section again carefully. It was not his imagination, he was resisting an affect that can only be described as the games death status in order to stab Kayaba.

>>101257972
So it has absolutely nothing to do with Alicization. The author even admitted he brought the idea across from AW.
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the first 13 episodes are alright for a romance series

if you need me to explain to you why it goes downhill after the whole "I'm marrying my daughter who is in a coma to the fairy king" deal then you clearly have brain problems
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>>101258037
>Read the section again carefully
Just did. He started to break apart into polygons. His accelerated sense kicked in (Freakin Super Human Reflexes). Stabs Kayaba. Anything here that says he literally slowed down his death?

>So it has absolutely nothing to do with Alicization. The author even admitted he brought the idea across from AW.

>Brought the idea across from AW

>Wrote Alicization before AW
>Brought the idea over from AW.
You know that SAO was written from 2002-2005 as a web-novel, correct?
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>>101258037
>Yes he does. Read the section again carefully. It was not his imagination, he was resisting an affect that can only be described as the games death status in order to stab Kayaba.
But it was never said that you couldn't move after you "died".
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>>101257293
But it's not as if there are two separate groups of fans. There are a ton of people who like both. So it goes to show that there are people that think the adaptation was good. Could it be that both of them are shit, but the novels are slightly less shit? I think so.
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>>101258362
I'm pretty sure there's a bit of a blurry line you could draw between the "Anime Fans" and "LN Fans", with a few that are both.

I recall hearing about a large group of Chinese fans, that would refuse to watch Season two, if it was done by A-1 again (This was before S2 was announced, And of course, it is)

Either way, most LN fans I know, don't even care about the anime at all. (Even if the anime initially got them interested anyways..)
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>My entire body was starting to dissolve- becoming shards of polygons- before scattering in all directions-
>You think I would let that happen?
I opened my eyes widely. I could see. I could still see. I could still see the face of Kayaba, whose sword was dug deeply into my chest, and the expression of surprise on him.
>Perhaps my accelerated senses returned, as the death of my avatar, which normally happened within a single moment, felt like it was slowing down. The outline of my body was hazy, and the particles of light broke off and disappeared here and there. But I was still existing. I was still alive.
>"Hiiiiyaaaa!"
>I screamed with all my strength. I screamed and resisted. Resisting the system, the absolute god.
Time to skip a little bit of fluff.
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>My left arm slowly began to move. its shape was distorting and chunks of it broke off with every bit of movement. But it didn't stop, Bit by bit, it consumed my very soul in order to raise itself.
>Perhaps it was the price of my insolent resistance, as an unbelievable pain was coursing through my body. But I gritted my teeth and kept on moving. The distance of merely tens of centimeters felt unbelievably far away. My body felt like it was frozen. Only my left arm had any feelings left, yet the coldness was quickly enveloping that part as well. My entire body was like an icy statue with shards of it continuously breaking off.
>But at last, the silver rapier reached the center of Kayaba's chest. Kayaba didn't move. His expression of surprise had already disappeared- a soft, peaceful smile had taken its place.
>My arm covered the remaining distance, half propelled by my determination, and half moving by some inexplicable force. Kayaba closed his eyes and received the blow as the rapier pierced his body soundlessly. His HP bar had also vanished.
Bit more.
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>For a moment, we simply stood there, with swords that penetrated each others' bodies. I used the last of my strength to force my head up and look at the sky.
>Is this- enough...?
>Although I couldn't hear her answer, I could feel a slight warmth wrap itself around my left hand. Finally, I released my body, which was about to shatter completely.
>As my mind sank deeper into the darkness, I could feel my body and Kayaba's body breaking into thousands of pieces at the same time. The familiar sound of two objects being destroyed rang out and overlapped one another.

I think that should be enough.
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>>101258510
>>101258620
>>101258686

Given that this was first person, it could still be explained by his "accelerated senses," mentioned in your quote...

Until we get to this part...
>The familiar sound of two objects being destroyed rang out and overlapped one another.
Which implies they shattered at the same time...
So somehow Kazuto's death was delayed.


Well, again, a lot of the concepts behind SAO and AW have to do with willpower and shit.
Though, this is just my justifying the Author's story habits, by saying that they are just his story habits... (Like how every Villain has to rape, molest, or seduce in some way...)
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>>101258818
>So somehow Kazuto's death was delayed.
Didn't he have life regeneration or something like that?
Maybe it's because of that
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The game aspect makes no sense.

Just having the ability to use two swords should not give you any inherent advantage unless the swords themselves were overpowered somehow. It's a VR game, which means that the player's only skill in combat is gonna greatly affect the outcome of a battle. So unless Kirito himself is some kind of amazing sword prodigy in real life, he shouldn't be so much better than everyone else, two swords or no.
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>>101258934
Battle Healing skill?
pretty sure Auto Healing stops working after you hit 0 HP. And the screen already said "You Are Dead" a moment before he stabbed Kayaba.

>>101258937
It's the sword skills that were overpowered.
>Kills a boss using a single skill, with 16 hits.

He did have some experience wielding a sword from Kendo, but that's about it. There's also the Sword Skills, like i mentioned (Where the swords glow a special color) which is moved by the system, and do more damage than simply swinging a sword.
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>>101258818
You can even take into account the fact that Kayaba was surprised the moment Kirito opened his eyes. Even before he picked up the rapier something unusual had occurred and no small amount of time is covered between there and his being stabbed because his expression changes in the meantime.

The final part is, of course, the most obvious indication, you don't even need to read between the lines, it is there as plain as anything yet SAO defenders almost always argue that Kirito stabbed Kayaba at basically the same time or whatever.

Another reason I think it is kinda bad to link AW with explaining shit in the SAO arc is that the willpower aspect in AW isn't a bug or accidental or anything, it is clearly a feature of the system. In SAO Kayaba is surprised by it, it shouldn't be there, so we can go back to Cardinal's role as a bug detector/patcher and failing to detect and fix this bug that manifested itself at least once that we know of even before the Kayaba battle.

>>101258934
This is the dumbest explanation I have yet seen.
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>>101259069
>pretty sure Auto Healing stops working after you hit 0 HP.
I know, but maybe they both "died" at the same time because Kirito's HP took longer to hit 0.

Or maybe I'm just trying to justify an asspull and I'm a complete retard.
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>>101259163
kirito couldnt be allowed to die by the system because he was the main character of the video game
so when he failed to perform adequately it had to win for him
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>>101259163
Kirito's HP hit 0 before he even picked up the rapier to stab Kayaba.

Kirito had also suffered more damage during the battle before he was stabbed, he did absolutely nothing to Kayaba during the battle but Kayaba did some small amounts of damage to Kirito, though it is not explained if the Battle Healing regened that before he was stabbed.

In fact, I don't think it is even mentioned if Battle Healing worked during a duel.
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>>101259084
>clearly a feature of the system
Not quite, considering that damage dealt using the Incarnate System is treated differently.

As for Cardinal, it likely didn't identify this as a bug. And really, most of what we see Cardinal doing is adjusting spawn rates, and EXP gains, to keep anyone from over-leveling. And even that took some time before it was fixed.
Besides, I believe it was also mentioned how Asuna ran several KM, within a few minutes, which should have been impossible (When she saved Kirito from Kuradeel)
So it seems Cardinal isn't really able to fix bugs caused by "Willpower-Overload", very effectively..

>>101259163
They couldn't have died at the same time. Kirito's HUD said "You are Dead"... He didn't stab him until after this.
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>>101259283
>Not quite, considering that damage dealt using the Incarnate System is treated differently.
That in itself suggests it is supposed to be a feature of the system.
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>>101259163
>Or maybe I'm just trying to justify an asspull and I'm a complete retard.
Atleast you're aware of that.
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It's just a regular shitty harem LN adaptation. Boring characters, cringeworthy dialogue, shitty sappy romance out the ass, bullshit asspulls everywhere, and an overall terrible attitude where the shit actually takes itself super seriously.

I haven't even watched the the second half but i don't even want to know how bad it is if it's supposed to be worse than the first.
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>>101259268
>Kirito had also suffered more damage during the battle before he was stabbed

Well shit, I had forgotten about that.

Then I guess there really is no way to justify it.
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It's not bad it's just shockingly mediocre and quite badly animated

there's quite a few MMO manga and anime which are better as well. Log Horizon is just one example, and it's better by far and without the edgy self-insert MC.
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>>101257659
That depends, for all we know there is a dye system where black is a rare dye - Guild Wars 2 did that. And since players are playing with their life on the line they might not try too hard to find that rare black dye - they would be better off farming for something useful.
About why Kirito got it - could be default colour for his gear. He IS the MC, of course he is getting something rare.
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1: bullshit flowing out of every possible place in order for the mc to win
2: Second half of the show is absolutely useless
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>>101259360
What I meant was, that when someone caused damage with the Incarnate system, it didn't effect their Gauge, like normally.
This would imply that the system doesn't recognize that your avatar is doing the damage.

>>101259391
>harem LN
Not even.

>>101259425
>two scenes where bullshit helps him win
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I think people would be less irritated if Kirito were capable of failure. That seems to be the main issue. Seems to me like the rules of the story willingly bend or outright break themselves in order to allow him to succeed at times.
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>>101259479
This is a huge problem. He's supposedly one of the best players but he doesn't seem to do shit except whinge all day. In reality people would very quickly find the best exploits and fucking annihilate the entire game within a few months, maybe not even that. So why is some random edgy guy so much better than the literal legions of autists that should be playing?
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>>101259479
Define capable of failure?
I mean, he would have died if Asuna didn't willpower her way in front of Kirito

And he couldn't do the battles at the end of the second arc alone...
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>>101259544
Finding exploits requires trial and error.

Error in SAO usually meant death. It's also said that over half of the players just stayed in the starting city.
Not to mention that the Cardinal system often patched up hunting spots that gave too much EXP.
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>one good reason
It was made. Both for the LN and the anime
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>>101259619
That's a good start to an explanation at least. However, I have this funny feeling that a lot more people would break the game than just the two or three most powerful guys we see in the show.

I mean I'd hate to be a douche about it but if I were in that world, I would literally be grinding every single second I wasn't asleep or eating, because fuck, I might as well become as OP as possible.

Also, if you can have unlimited people to raid a boss, surely the guilds would all just gank every single boss with literally 100% of their members? I mean, that's pretty much guaranteed victory with a few losses.
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>>101259283
Also,
>Besides, I believe it was also mentioned how Asuna ran several KM, within a few minutes, which should have been impossible (When she saved Kirito from Kuradeel)
>So it seems Cardinal isn't really able to fix bugs caused by "Willpower-Overload", very effectively..
You could say she effectively used the Helper program that Kayaba used during the first duel with Kirito, but without Admin rights and in two weeks Cardinal did nothing about it, but it responded within a few minutes to Yui using an Admin command she shouldn't have.

>>101259464
I think that considering how elaborate the Incarnate System is is an indication of it being there by design, you could also add that to how no one really know why the game exists in the first place.
The source of the game is mysterious, the reason behind the game is mysterious and the game has a mysterious feature.
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>>101241230
Kirito never seems to be challenged by anything.
He is the strongest special snowflake already from the start.
And when he gets in trouble something will get him out immediatly.
Either by Asuna or in the worst case; some deus ex machina.
Kirito is the best person in the world and everything in the story will remind you of that.
If a character disagrees than that person is obviously a bad guy or a bully.
Almost all the characters are just walking plot devices.
Asuna is just kirito's trophy; rarest strongest and most beautifull female player is Kirito's girlfriend.
The worst case is the black guild and that girl sachi.
It doesn't matter who they were or what they were thinking.
All that matters is that they died so Kirito can feel sad and guilty.
Kirito is so overpowered he even breaks the rules of his own universe.
If the story says that something is impossible then you can expect Kirito to do the impossible.
A lot the events in the story are used to make kirito look better.
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>>101255266
>guilty crown
we don't hate guilty crown. it's jist not taken seriously
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>>101259564
What if he legitimately outright lost a fight for once? Not have something or someone save him at the last second. An actual, outright loss. Something that shows that he's not actually the best. Something that shows that he can't always win with just willpower. That sometimes, there are things that he just can't do anything about, that no matter how much he pitifully struggles, he's still a human being with human limits. He doesn't have to die, he just needs to definitely lose in a fair fight.
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>“Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great; coincidences to get them out of it are cheating.”

-pixar's 22 rules of storytelling
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>>101259686
That's what the Front Line players mostly did. The other players, as far as we know, were within 5-10 levels of Kirito. Kirito just ended up with Dual Wielding is all.

>>101259703
>an Admin command she shouldn't have
It wwasn't that she shouldn't have. She wasn't supposed to use it to help players. She was also directly connected to the system, so it could probably explain why it reacted so quickly.

>considering how elaborate the Incarnate System
I don't think this is how the Author thinks.
For instance, if the Cardinal system detected a strong emotional presense, it saves this raw data to surrounding terrain an items, for future analysis and such.
And yet, this data somehow becomes sentient, and become ghosts (Griselda, and Sachi are basically digital ghosts in ALO right now, because ALO has SAO's data... Not even fucking joking)

There's also how the Incarnate System in Alicization (named the same thing) isn't meant to be there, yet is pretty complex as well. Same how you can "unlock the memories of a weapon," which also isn't pre-programmed.

>>101259844
I'm not sure... What would you suggest?
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>>101255266
Why? All three are the worst things japan has ever made.

SAO for LNs
Naruto for manga
Guilty Crown for anime

Easy to remember
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From a quick scan through this thread, I can tell 80% of the people hating only saw the anime with flawed adaptation, and never read the LN.
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>>101259938
If you think those are the worst ever made, then your powerlevel must be low as fuck. Go watch and read more, nigga.
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>>101259937
>And yet, this data somehow becomes sentient, and become ghosts (Griselda, and Sachi are basically digital ghosts in ALO right now, because ALO has SAO's data... Not even fucking joking)
>the ghosts shit is actually canon
No amount of facepalming can describe how I actually feel right now.
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>>101259968

I read the LN. It's just aggressively mediocre, rather than actively bad like the anime is.
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>>101260002
Typical Gaia kid
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>>101259937
To have him lose in a fair fight. This isn't hard. Human beings aren't perfect. They make mistakes. They fail. Sometimes, no matter how much willpower and effort you put into something, you'll still fail. Sometimes, we're just not good enough. Sometimes, we CAN'T get back up once we fall.

Kirito needs something like that. He needs something that shows that he's just as human as everyone else. Of course, as the protagonist, he can't fail all the time, but even so, he must stumble. He must trip and fall. There should be times when he can't get up too quickly. Sometimes, he must fall to the weight of his own emotions, frustration, anger, sadness. He'll, of course, eventually get back up, but he must be given room to mature and develop. He must make mistakes so that he may learn from them.
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>>101260020
Trying too hard, newfag.
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>>101259968
>Read the SAO LN
Kill yourself
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>>101259968
The LN is worse than the anime in places. I mean, at the end of the Lisbeth short story he fucking dequips his black sword, equips the new sword and says something like "From now on this is my partner". Which is an outright lie because no one ever sees him fucking use it until he whips it out in the boss battle.

Let alone shoehorning the whole Yui shit into the original story.
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>>101260046
What am I trying?
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>>101260075
>Typical Gaia kid
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>>101260029
Well, as I've said before, the Author's ideals involve "Putting enough willpower into something will eventually result in success".
He lost in a duel to one character, Yuuki, but I think that's the only time I've heard of him losing in a "fair fight".
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>>101260009
Yeah. Apparently a copy of Griselda's emotions were embedded in her marriage/guild rings, or something.
And Sachi was somewhere on the floor she died, apparently. And she talked to Asuna... from the dead... as a digital ghost...
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>>101260109
That's because of yuuki's amazing talent for min maxing.
Be the new strongest player in a VRMMMO, have AIDS in real life.
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>>101260108
Yes, and?
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>>101260109
well for me, the whole willpower thing should be okay if it was a regular shounen show. but something like willpower in a MMO game where rules are fixed and only hard core programmers can fix and break the rules(heck if willpower is legit in games, i would have slaughter all of the boss in all of the online games) is pure bullshit.
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>>101260235
Eh, I think the point of SAO, is that rules are never fixed.

>>101260185
I'm just remembering my post here >>101260182
...
I wonder if Reki's gonna have Yuuki come back to life as a Digital ghost...
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Eh. .hack did the whole mmo thing better.
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>>101260301
that why i said fix AND break the rules. well i'm a flipfag so i dont mind watching shounen but having willpower in MMO's sounds like a typical gamer's wet dream and bullshit.
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>>101260301
I think this will happen.
A ghost of a former bad guy or a bad guy who never appeared in the story before wants to take revenge on Kirito.
Bad guy finds a way to put his ghost into Kirito's body.
Somehow the best solution to this problem is to put Kirito's ghost into another VRMMO and now Kirito will have to fight back with WILLPOWER and his dual edges to get his body back.
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Because after 25 episodes and a movie there was a grand total of 5 or 6 characters with the hint of a personality, some of whom were only there for a few episodes (blacksmith girl, pet girl)
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>>101260235
>>101260419

Well yeah... That's just the style of the author.

SAO had scenes where the Virtual World's rules were bent.
When he started AW, he decided to expand on this, and my guess is that he figured, when hundreds of years have passed within the accelerated world, they're likely to learn about this whole Willpower shit, and refine it. Which is why it's more complicated in AW than SAO.

All in all, it boils down to the author's preference, when it comes to convey his message about "willpower and perseverance"
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>>101260182
This is just terrible. Or are they going to explain it that everyone who had their brains microwaved actually had the same procedure that Kayaba did done on them, but only some worked to any degree and these were two of them?
Cause that could actually work, within the grand scheme of things, but that would still be asshattery of Kayaba because at least he had something planned for himself, the girls' ghosts are just stuck in the game that may never have been brought back to life again.
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>>101260010
Some volumes are decent though. And there are good moments here and there throughout the whole series. Either way, lots of shit that people often complain about over the anime are explained in the LN.

>>101260049
Apply yourself.

>>101260065
No one said it was perfect. Volume 2 did came out after volume 1, you know. And actually, the scene you're talking to can be taken as either Kirito was teasing Liz or the author just forgot.

>shoehorning
How was Morning Dew Girl shoehorned? That side story was most important in showing the relationship between Kirito and Asuna, and that took place a couple of months after Liz's side story.
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>>101260473
To my understanding, it's just an "imprint" of their minds, and it only applied to those with unusual or uncommon brain-waves (such as those who seemed surprisingly happy, as opposed to full of despair, as it wouldn't find them that very interesting.)
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>>101260541
I mean an "imprint of their emotions"
But apparently this imprint has some level of sentience, as it could talk to Asuna, or Yolko.
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>>101260518
>And actually, the scene you're talking to can be taken as either Kirito was teasing Liz or the author just forgot.
That's why I have the opinion that when SAO got the go ahead for publishing he should have rewritten the SAO arc.
Clearly he wanted to expand on the original story before continuing but instead of rewriting it to include the content required to continue it he instead left the original alone and tacked on extras resulting it them not meshing together cleanly.
If he had rewritten it so the first two novels were effectively what the anime gave us, but without the mistakes they introduced, then it would have been considerably better.

Nothing could save the second arc though. It is better off just pretending that never existed.
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>>101260694
Not really. He did a lot of changes when making the story into a Light Novel.

It just so happens he didn't make enough...

>Lisbeth slept in the same sleeping bag as Kirito, in the Web Novel.
>in her underwear.
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>>101260694
Actually, what he SHOULD be doing is working more on Progressive.
SAO shouldn't have gotten an Anime when it did. Instead the Anime should have been all SAOP.
That way the entire time-line would have been consistent.
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>>101260182
>And Sachi was somewhere on the floor she died, apparently. And she talked to Asuna... from the dead... as a digital ghost...
This would be plausible, or fucking bearable, in any other setting that wasn't a game.
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>>101241230
By episode 5 it's clear that Kirito is a self-fulfillment fantasy. He has as much personality as a window, and when you take away his black swordsman title or what you might call it, he has nothing.

When Kayama said he doesn't remember why he kidnapped thousands of people to trap in his virtual reality, that was the fucking last straw.

Whoever wrote the story was insincere as fuck.



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