Go away you are not moe like Elise.
Does she really think Jude won't get tired of her shit and bang Elize someday?
Why not Leia?
Cause Leia a shit.
Elize is too young for making such a big decision while Leia is pretty much Judesexual. Inb4 Xillia 2, it's canon that Leia is still into Jude on Xillia 2 and her VA compares her interaction with Jude to an old married couple and that's a big deal on Japan.
She should direct tether with Jude
I heard Jude gets NTRed in the sequel. Is that true?
No but explaining why that misconception exists is a small spoiler.
Yeah, I'm playing Xillia 1 now and just met up with her. She's sweatin' Jude's balls pretty hard, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess she loses.
She's only two years younger than him. Not gonna matter much when he's 20 and she's 18.
Come to think of it.
Jude has the Ginga Bishonen costume while Leia has the school uniform with Wako's hairstyle.
>I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess she loses.
Yeah, pretty much.
Then shit happens and basically Jude isn't getting Milla anytime soon.
Muzet > every other girl.
Needed more CGI Dragons.
Which Tales game deserves a proper anime?
My vote goes to Hearts.
i just finished this game, why is it so shit?
I'd just rather a Hearts game being translated.
Its never gonna happen.
What was her deal with bazongas?
She wants to grow large ones.
She's jealous of Milla
hey fuck you buddy
>generic childhood friend archetype character that has barely any characterization that doesn't relate to wanting to get da Jude while being useless in both the story and gameplay.
That being said, I love her design, especially her Xillia 2 look.
You mean Ludger.
Gaius>Muzet>Every other girl
>useless in both the story and gameplay
Not in gameplay. Thanks to her, I max all the shops well before the end of the game. Increased item drop rate/ item stealing/ and possible increase of glad is great. It may be the only reason to really have her in fights but it's a good reason for me.
Milla a best.
To be honest, the lisp grew on me. Milla is pretty awkward as a human being, after all, so it kinda fits.
Big fucking deal.
Too bad he'll still never give her the D, and he'll spend the next 500 years becoming the Einstein of summoning to try and impregnate his waifu instead of giving Leia the time of day.
Same shit. Never going to happen, even if they were the same age.
Having no PS3 to play this is suffering.
Are you really arguing which fictional characters in a completed series are going to fuck?
Xillia is a better retelling of FFX.
Look at that smug ass motherfucker.
The funny thing is that I don't think that lisp was even included on purpose at all. I heard it something to do with the audio or something? Basically some dev messed up.
Jude is a faggot.
>mfw we could've had delicious Sawashiro Miyuki voicing Milla if Namco wasn't so retarded
Now I want to replay FFX. But then I remember the desert and the lag.
I fucking love Sawashiro but if I have to put up with Japanese Jude. I rather kill myself.
The recording quality for ToX is kind of low. ToL is also bad where you can hear the s's get lisped sometimes.
>Single player game
just wait for HD anyway, it'll take away any framerate issues
Sucks that most of the costumes for xillia couldn't be brought over. I wanted my star driver ones. I only ended up getting the idolmaster ones.
When you emulate PS2, something still lags.
I feel like we just had this thread a few days ago.
Symphonia > *
no. symphonia is objectively the worst tales game that has hit NA shores, and you are blinded by nostalgia. lloyd is a bad protagonist who does not fix anything, but we are lead to believe he is jesus. half of the party members did not need to be recruitable. you have very very bad taste.
that said, aselia is best world layout wise.
xillia 2 when
I don't care much about the plot, but I'd put it mid tier. Phantasia has the best plot of the games I've played. Too bad it had shit combat.
Symphonia had great levels, decent combat, mid tier plot, and good OST. It was well rounded and the best game overall. Plus a bit of nostalgia.
The art for the skits could be alot better. Why are they so cheap
I really hope this will be good. The main characters look much better than in xillia
probably late summer, maybe early autumn
go play tog and get a kick out of the heavy depth of asbel and the super complex 2 button battle system
>Feather faggot better than anyone
Leia best looking girl with this costume.
>The main characters look much better than in xillia
Seriously? They look bland as fuck.
>those fucking intros
Why is ufotable so damn good?
Alicia or whatever her name is reminds me of an Adult version of Marta.
currently playing through Xillia, why is being Elize do suffering and why is Alvin so based?
>adult version of Marta
There's where you fucked up.
Her status screen in Xillia 2is the definition of lewd.
Wow, that guy really loves feathers.
The girl I can dig. She at least has plate armor.
Hey at least the game got translated r-right?
Ironically they're putting dual audio in ToS Chronicles, not sure why that's needed when Cam Clark pretty much carries the entire cast.
Her hair style makes me mad for some reason.
I could've sworn I just saw this thread on /v/
Shit nigger, i thought i was on /v/ for a second
The girl looks cute.
Five gald says she does something incredibly stupid.
The girl definitely looks more interesting than Milla in my opinion.
The guy is pretty meh. He'd probably stand out if they gave him a little more color. Maybe colored his hair green or some shit. Jude didn't look very interesting himself though, so it really doesn't make much of a difference.
I bet you 100 thousand.
>mfw Jude and Milla's love is nothing more than a fling perpetuated by circumstance
>mfw she falls for Gary Stu Ludger at the drop of a hat if Jude wasn't around
I got so mad when I first read this. Fuck Namco.
He did nothing wrong
What's with the abundance of Tales threads lately?
Childhood friend actually wins for once and you're getting mad?
/v/ trying to fraternize with us.
I hope indignation returns
>Implying Jude doesn't die old and alone
The man's too busy with his spyrites.
Ludger is a person to fall far. I do not blame Milla if the other choice is Jude. Saying that she should have fallen for Gaius.
Belt level retarded, again
Does /v/ even like Tales? I imagine they'd think it's shit and say that it's too weeaboo or something.
You know what, its almost certain she's going to do something stupid, maybe its better if we bet the severity of the results of said stupid actions instead
Yes, they just had two back-to-back tales threads with minimal shitposting.
MC looks generic. Excessive feathers and belts are also in poor taste.
Loli/Teen girl looks cute. Would fug.
>Ludger is a person to fall far.
Because he's your gary stu self-insert. I'm more surprised Leia and Elize didn't fall for him as well.
That love it
It's all good until the shitposters appear
But that goes for any game
Tales has a sizeable fanbase on /v/ and /vg/, even if most of the /v/ threads are just Vesperia circlejerks.
Overrated game and protagonist if you ask me.
>/v/ is one person
What the hell man. I never understood them.
Well, that's a surprise to me.
But it has the best 3D combat, and Yuri is great.
Yuri is indeed cool, but that's only because he was obviously the dev team's pet.
I disagree on battle system. It was too easy to break and just devolves into mindless spamming/overlimit chains.
>just Vesperia circlejerks.
Considering it's better than the two more recent titles, three if you count symphonia 2, then that's bound to happen.
I think its some kind of fetish.
Why is Alvin always shipped with Jude or Elize and not, you know, Jill, the canon love interest?
That ONE scene in the first game where Elize tried to console him
Jude because Alvin kills him
Elize because the kiss
What if the Zestiria MC is like a dragoon and jumps like crazy? That would be a decent explanation as to why he has so many belts on his shoes and gloves.
It's combat system is definitely the most complex.
Symphonia is the base of all 3D LMBS.
Abyss is a stepping stone towards Vesperia.
Graces is watered down shit.
Xillia 2 fixes Xillia's shit, but Ludger is the entire focus in combat and the link system is pretty shit
Haven't played Innocence R but Hearts R is really the only one that can compete.
They're cute together, not even gay
I think they're more like refugees. They want to talk about a new game, but it's not big enough for /vg/ and they know they won't get anything worthwhile on /v/, so they come to a place that they hope they might be able to talk about it.
No, that goes to Destiyn 2 m8
Say what? Xillia had a fun battle system, minus the bullshit final boss.
Complex isn't exactly good though and I would even argue it's not anymore complex than Hearts/Xilia.
Vesperia is fun, but there's not much skill and it's very spammy; Graces is the logical conclusion of Vesperia's combat with some terrible choices thrown in for no reason.
I meant of all the 3D games, that's why I didn't include any 2D games in my list.
Graces is more complex with the need to manage CC and attack styles. Though honestly I've never felt inclined to master any tales of combat system beyond what was neccessary to beat the game.
I like that Vesperia had different kinds of artes that you had to link together and think about how to link them together. Sure you can spam the same move with overlimit, but finding a way to link most of, or all of a characters artes is not as easy as Xillia where pretty much everything links together and everything is a base arte except for 1 arcane arte.
If you ignore Vesperia's broken overlimit I think it's easily the best 3D Tales.
Graces is not complex at all. It's probably the shittiest 3D Tales game of them all.
Wut. There's a JRPG general on /vg/ that gets Tales discussion all the time and we get nightly Tales threads on /v/.
I don't think it's the most complex out of the new generation of Tales games at all. Vesperia kind of got boring with the amount of sandbagging you could do on bosses in my opinion. Personally, I think Xilia takes more skill to master and forces you to use more of each character's skills to really perform well. It had flaws, but I felt they are going in the right direction with boss stances and interrupts since it forces you to develop your own combos for each boss. Coming up with the most optimal tempo was pretty fun and you still had to dodge/block properly instead of just spamming shit.
>Graces is not complex at all. It's probably the shittiest 3D Tales game of them all.
You know anon, back in my day trolling meant something.
You anon, maybe you should study up a little before you try to throw your opinion in.
It's too bad Grandia is dead.
Not even that guy, but it's shit.
I cannot even bring myself to finish it.
Graces actually takes a bit more to master than people think. Also, worst 3D Tales is easily Legendia or ToS2.
But yeah, Graces was pretty shit.
Legendia is 2D. ToS2 is only really bad because of Pokemon isn't it? I haven't played it so I don't really know.
The only videos I've seen of Graces that really impress me are the ones where 4 people play as the same character and sync up their combos, and damn does it look beautiful.
Graces really had the potential to be the best 3D Tales game, but man did they fuck it up.
Oh right, Legendia was 2.5D. Anyways, I haven't played ToS2 since launch, but some of my main complaints are
Monster hunting/raising was shit.
Artificial level cap for the old cast made no sense when they were fun to control.
Controls were clunky and not fluid, battle just didn't feel as fast paced without a reliable backstep.
Hit detection was awful.
Marta's MA was broken.
No skill customization.
I played about 10 hours of this. Was loving it for the first hour, then it died really fast for me. I think the environments and shitty copypaste monster designs turned me off most, it all seemed so damn lazy. Like they put in minimal effort just so they could get a game out there to milk the shit out of. The combat was fun at first, but I quickly got bored of it. The voice acting was terrible and after just finishing a game with near perfect voice acting (Uncharted 2), I just could not adjust to such low quality voice acting. Alvin was the only decent voice, everybody else I'd reach for the mute button.
Disappointing too, because I hate wasting money. Only cost me $10 but still.
I take it this is not impressive then?
I'm sad so many people hate Graces. I count it among my favourite Tales games, and the battle system is great fun. I ran Chaos with my housemate and we had a blast. Also the skits and character nuances are hilarious. It's just not for people who want their Tales to be darker, I guess.
Baba stated the reason the "dungeons" in Xillia are so shit and there's no puzzles is because some people have trouble with them. Add to that the fact the game was rushed in order to label it an anniversary title and you've got a pretty shit game.
I like the combat. I mean it was one of the only two good things about it.
Don't worry, i like it too. Skits were too "animeish" that turn off people, but that's what i always want from JRPG .
>this many people realizing what a stepdown Graces battle system was
Ha. That old say about offtopic discussion and thread quality proves itself right once again.
Not at all.
>It's just not for people who want their Tales to be darker, I guess.
What the fuck are you talking about? How are the other games darker at all?
It's because the combat is shit, the characters are morebland and flatter than usual, and the story is shit revolving around MUH FRIENDSHIP.
I want Kohak to give me a footjob.
I don't see how it was a stepdown. I've played Abyss, Vesperia, and Symphonia in their entirety and loved Graces' system the most. It's smooth and nice to work with once you understand it. My only complaint was the shortage of artes.
Exactly, it revolves around friendship, and most of the game doesn't take a serious tone. It's colorful and humorous. The themes in the game are all positive with little real conflict. I don't know how you could say the characters are flat when we get to know them very intimately -- it's probably more accurate to say you just didn't like them.
The dungeons/environments are probably the worst parts of Xilia, but I didn't care too much since I never particularly liked the dungeons in other Tales games. I found them to be mostly repetitive with the most annoying puzzles ever.
VA was fine in my opinion.
Practically every attack in Graces was an arte.
Not him, but that's what he want so say. I personally like it because it nothing serious at all.
I even like Asbel very much. Bashing post start in 3...2...1...
>I liked asbel
But Asbel and Cheria are the worst characters in Graces and the worst Tales couple.
Not him, but the characters are just generic archtypes without much development (Cheria anyone?) and you totally ignored his point about combat.
Sorry, I should say Cryas Artes.
Not really. I love Hubert and Malik, but Cheria is the most bland heroine of the series and Asbel is even more of a white knight than the average Tales protag, though I did like seeing him actually mature by the end. Pascal is a little overrated since the rest of this cast is such shit, but she's a pretty decent goofy genius character. Hubert is just the straight man and has his childish side, but he's still really bland. Malik is the best since he actually fucks around with the rest of the cast for his entertainment, and he plays the role of mentor when need be.
As for FRIENDSHIP, it's a theme in pretty much all of the games, except maybe Abyss, but the other games are not completely centered on it. Just because the other games don't focus on FRIENDSHIP like Graces does not mean they are darker. And if you really thought that the story wasn't supposed to be taken fairly seriously I don't know what to say.
>Malik is the best since he actually fucks around with the rest of the cast for his entertainment, and he plays the role of mentor when need be.
I hope you realize nearly every Tales games has this character.
The only one like that I can think of is Jade.
I know. People already bashing him since years so i can handle it. I personally like his great determination over something, which i want to have too. He's already like a hero for me.
He didn't make any point about the combat, he just said it was shit. Which if you don't know how to use it I suppose it is? I don't really feel like going into detail about it when I doubt anything I could say would change his mind, but I disagree. As for lack of development, not even true. Skits give you really specific details about characters, enough that it's iffy to say they're shallow. The problem with Cheria is that she is way too much about Asbel, but the maternal and responsible aspects of her character are well shown in her scenes. We even get parts of her backstory and details of her childhood in Lhant. No one is given shallow treatment, Cheria is just a very basic teenage girl personality wise so she doesn't stand out.
looks like the MC has a case of BELTS and FEATHERS
>He didn't make any point about the combat, he just said it was shit. Which if you don't know how to use it I suppose it is?
Are you really saying Graces combat isn't shit?
Terrible CC system.
Shitty A-Artes system with illusion of depth.
No Aerial play, absolutely inexcusable.
Mechanics encourage turtling and destroys the pacing once you start spamming.
Cheria is broken.
Hubert is the only fun character that utilizes the A-B system properly.
And that's just off the top of my head.
Holy shit you are my nigger. Why don't more people realize this?
Only problem with Asbel is he never fucking grew up. All the way until the end he couldn't just accept that shit just happens and sometimes you can't avoid certain things. That fucking horseshit he pulled with lambda and Richard made me mad as fuck, that was such a goddamn asspull
He did mature a little. He's still a faggot that won't accept that he can't save everyone, but he did realize that he can't run away from his problems and he can't abandon the people of Lhant.
>All the way until the end he couldn't just accept that shit just happens and sometimes you can't avoid certain things.
Why would he when the world bends over backwards just for him?
Let's not forget Pascal. Made the game.
I think the CC system comes with its own benefits, namely an inability to run out of MP. That keeps the combat going but prevents you from simply spamming your best moves. You can argue that the used combos can become repetitive and I'll agree, but you can't just spam in a conventional sense. I'll admit turtling can be an issue, but part of why I like the system is the dodging mechanism. If you're good you can even dodge through an enemy and gain CC to aid your combo. That's pretty good. As far as I can tell A Artes just work much like artes did in every other game.... Oh, and dodging is pretty comparable to unlimited freerun anyway.
>That keeps the combat going but prevents you from simply spamming your best moves.
It takes away resource management, which is not an issue at all in the other games, and it promotes spamming your best moves. If I ever see someone playing Asbel, I'll be sure to hear BUUUUUUURN every 5 seconds.
>want to play Tales
>remember no original audio
>end up playing Agarest War
>Mila swimsuit costume
I can't even use the idolm@ster one.
Happened with Destiny DC too, which won't become problem after you achieved enough CC to use.
Asbel just didn't want to abandon his friends to death. He was a dramatic shit about it, but there was nothing unreasonable about that. His entire character is about self sacrifice. He gave up his dream of being a knight to take the position of lord, and he was willing to sacrifice himself before letting anyone else take the fall with the case of Lambda. He acts selfishly and stupidly and doesn't always come away from it unscathed. His father died, and if it hadn't been for pure luck Hubert might of never reconciled with him. His own friends are always taking shots at him for being a dense motherfucker.
>caring about audio in a video game
>even liking Idea Factory stuff.
>He gave up his dream of being a knight to take the position of lord
This always get me.
He already sacrificed everything for his dream. Abandon his rich as fuck family, abandon his friends, alone and he only has his father's sword, which he sold for cheap prize to live.
Yet he still survive after time skip, almost being a full pledged knight, now have a full white disco outfit and bro as fuck teacher.
He's just too awesome for me.
>Not playing Idea Factory/Compile Heart games
How normal can you get?
>If I ever see someone playing Asbel, I'll be sure to hear BUUUUUUURN every 5 seconds.
The reason why I muted any Asbel solos I watched.
But yeah, it doesn't stop spamming at all, if anything it encouraged even more spamming. Xilia, for all of it's flaws, managed to significantly reduce spamming that you started seeing around Abyss.
Bitch to Rowen for no reason.
Glad he died.
Oh yeah. When I used Jade, every ten seconds it was:
>Implying I don't spam tidal wave and sylph all day
Sorry, I don't like mediocre jrpgs. I know that people like cute girls and what not, but the gameplay is so horrid, at least Gust is decent enough, but even then I wouldn't call them amazing developers. The artwork and whatnot is nice, but the gameplay isn't what I want.
Why do I enjoy "entry-level" Tales games like Abyss and Symphonia more than the others? I've played all the others once but I've played Abyss and Symphonia through like 5 or 6 times each. Am I just falling victim to nostalgia?
I don't think there's a single Tales fan who actually likes Sasukephiroth.
Ok I laughed way too hard at that.
Is Abyss considered as entry level? I always thought it makes people quit because they can't handle the cast.
I'm on Luke side though. Fuck others. Well, except Guy.
Remember that every game without JP audio purchased is a small victory for feminism.
I'd say Vesperia is entry level.
Symphonia and Abyss are kind of dated now and Xilia kind of sucks.
He's got a point. Idea Factory does recycle a LOT of their sound effects across games. And their skill combination system...And their monsters...And their level-up system...Wait, what?
>putting JP audio in dark arisen
For some reason i wonder if Japanese people put the English audio on so they don't have to listen to pawns repeat the same thing over and over again.
Also No! They hold the advantage!
At least they got somethings right.
> English: Pyre Saurian
> What the fuck?
> Japanese: Salamander
> Much better
Spamming is inevitable with this kind of combat system. As far as I know, it goes back to Eternia with fireball spam.
Xillia did do a good job of reducing spam though, and Xillia 2 fixed most of the issues with Xillia.
Ludger has some insane combos since everything was pretty much developed around him. I wish I could the video of clip and radiantroar doing some awesome combos.
I never understood this. Even a highschooler can tell you why this doesn't work.
The english voice acting for Grigori is god tier though. Also love the three dragons that you can understand, their lines are really good.
Are you kidding? I wanted to punch Luke "IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!" von Fabre until the revelation that he really is a legitimate 7-year old kid, making Tear a freaking shota.
So it's not a giant battery saving electricity for later use?
But it's not his fault. He's childish but doesn't mean he's the one who's doing it.
Is this thread dead?
Maybe some hot coffee will help warm it up!
It was ice coffee all along.
I don't even fucking LIKE ice coffee.
You sure its iced coffee? It was actually hot! Or was it?
Dammit, Lloyd, you and your confusing quasi-psy-collegiate bullshit
Give me the hot one. It's too cold here.
It makes no sense but I kinda like these two
Graces had no real air combos and for that reason alone it shouldn't be ranked as high as others
Grace is a case study that good game play can be ruined by shitty story and shitty characters.
pic is of the only good grace character
My brother of African descent
I want to fuck Elle
ya, but Alvin took a shot at her
So can someone give a straight answer to this? Does Milla get her vagina all wet over the new MC and NTRs Jude? Please respond, spoil away this will decide if I bother playing Xillia 2 or not.
Its an Alternate Milla that falls for Ludger. She has an actual personality instead of MUH MISSION Milla. Alt Milla dies though so MUH MISSION Milla can return as they can't co-exist.
It sounds kind of dumb and unnecessary. I don't know how I feel about this.
Its actually a lot better than anything in Xillia. I'm just too tired to properly explain it
god damn why does namco have to suck so hard at localising. everyone's jap voices are so good.
Got spoiled on Elle's parents. But I can't seem to find any info on her mother, beyond her name. Is that really the most description she gets in the entire game?
I never got the good ending. I think her mother's appearance is only on that ending. Elle's a cutie.
I wanted Ludger to rape her.
This is why you play the undub.
What do I need to do to play undubs on a PS3 from stock settings? Never really felt the need for mods and hacks since I do most of my gaming on the PC (Only used the PS3 for exclusives like Last Of Us, Heavy Rain, Valkyria Chronicles, etc)
You need a PS3 with custom firmware. If you're on current official firmware you're gonna need to downgrade. Depending on how new your ps3 is you might be unable to get on CFW.
Once you're on CFW then you just download the undubbed game from the pirate bay and load it up.
Yes, this is another one of those cases where paying customers get fucked over while pirates can get original voice acting with translation.
Sadly Vesperia isn't so easy, all i can find is a questionable torrent for the 360 version and I have no idea how to get such a thing to run
I think I get the basic process, more or less. After getting the undubbed game ISO, I guess I'll need a blu-ray drive and blank discs?
Not needed. You just pass them to the ps3 HDD over LAN.
no, pirating PS3 games is nowhere near that easy.
you need to downgrade you ps3 firmware to 3.55 or get a hold of one at 3.55 because you basically need it to pirate.
Well, I'm not in any rush so I can take my time with this. Thanks anon.
Not that anon but Xillia 2 didn't resolve shit, not even imply, and Milla Returns: Tales of Xillia 3 will never happen.
Where is the gif when you need it?
>Cheria is broken
Graces is easily the most balanced localized Tales game when it comes to power between characters. She may be "broken" but the difference between her and the rest of the cast is small.
>Mechanics encourage turtling
>Hubert is the only fun character that utilizes A-B properly
Hubert is hands down my favorite character in the game, I do main him. Regardless, it's clear you suck at this game from these 2 statements. The only people who think that Graces encourages turtling are the ones who can't get the enemy to stagger and people can't keep their offensive going, I.E people who aren't good at the dodge mechanic.
>Shitty A-Artes system with illusion of depth
If anything Graces had the one with the most depth because you have to make use of each A arte to effectively hit monster weaknesses to stack damage and stagger them. Unlike in other Tales games were you setup the ones with the most damage and combo potential and use that moveset for every encounter in the game, you have to be fluent in Graces. Not only do you have to make use of the A Artes to effectively deal damage and stagger, they are also pretty important for characters who have exceptional mobility, or need to pay attention to spacing, like Hubert. I'd type more, but I'm done tearing apart your shitty argument. I've clocked about over 300 hours on each localized Tales game besides Legendia, and I can confidently say Graces is hands down, the best combat.
Why is Milla such a qt3.14?
How do you guys pronounce Netorare
I want to fuck lvin
Who's lvin? A new character? He/She sounds pretty cool.
Isn't he some religious scholar or something? Can't remember what they said about where we came from/is.
What's up with the Tales threads lately. I swear we just had one yesterday. Is it just one anon posting these
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality.
I don't know what you're talking about anon
You said it better than I could. I also applaud you for liking Hubert, he's my favourite.
I really wish they had some more audio recorded for towns, I wanted to put Judes rising falcon up his ass
My nigger. Tired of these baddies shitting on Graces because they don't know how to hit monster weaknesses.