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How does it make you feel?
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>>101230023
Makes me realize I need to step up learning more moon runes. College japanese is a fucking joke
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I love her new design, fuck you /a/.
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Who gives a shit besides zealous nostalgiafags and braindead waifufags? Who would wear a granny skirt in this era anyways?
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I wonder how cover of new TM-ACE can look, maybe it's about Tsukihime?

NOPE, EAT MORE FATE/SHIT & SABER SHIT.
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>>101230227
Ass-blistered Arcfag summoned.
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>>101230199
And what makes "this era" any better, you filthy underage retard? Shitty sluts in short miniskirts are simply gross and utterly disgusting with no fashion sense at all.
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I like the new designs on every character.
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Pretty damn good
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>>101230293
>short miniskirts are simply gross and utterly disgusting with no fashion sense at all.
Better than wearing some disgusting Granny Skirt.
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>>101230227
Wow, I couldn't possibly imagine why.

Nobody gives a fuck about Tsukihime. It's all KnK and F/SN. The Tsukihime mains always place shit compared to the others in polls. Probably because it's the worst of the three.
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She still has sweater puppies and her fuckawful granny skirt and granny shoes have been fixed. Her hair is slightly different but it's barely noticeable, and looks a little more natural.

Waifu and nostalgiafags please go, this seriously is an upgrade. Go fap to 80 year old women if that's the outfit you want.
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Why does it have to be a skirt at all? Why not pants? They're comfortable, functional, and can show off your butt better.
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>>101230023
I don't know, you tell me.
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>>101230427
>Nobody gives a fuck about Tsukihime. It's all KnK and F/SN
Yeah, it's sure hard to be a PROUD TYPE-MOON FAN among the shitty neo-tm-scum like you who never ever read it because it has bad graphics (not like in Battlefield 3) so casual kids like you will not be able to handle it.
Secondaries will better watch another Fate/Shit and jerk on some utter shit like Apocrypha or Extra.

Wow, muh Saburr, sirvants and grael. Epic.
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>>101230427

As if. It's because Tsukihime is probably the least familiar to people at this point. Fate is constantly getting shoved down everyone's throat and F/Z did pretty well, and KnK has some shiny new movies. Tsukihime on the hand, hasn't really had any mainline material since 2003
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>>101230670
Any objective viewer would recognize the newer one as superior.

It is entirely waifunostalgiafags that are getting so butthurt over notably better designs.
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>>101230678
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting you dumb fuck.

I have read all of Tsukihime, and I think it's the worst of the three. I never said it sucked or talked about how epik F/SN is. Keep trying though. And Tsukihime is the least popular in Japan by a notable margin. Hence why I said
>Nobody gives a fuck about Tsukihime

Because nobody really does other than Nasu.
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Remake Ciel Was A Good Improvement
>>101230730
At least we got Melty Blood, which is like 2011 with MBAACC
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>>101230670
Left one looks like an aristocratic vampire, she's elegant and sophisticated woman who's slightly afraid of the viewer because (you) represents the modern era and Arcueid is certainly unfamiliar with it.
It's dualism about her being an insanely powerful vampire and insanely weak person who knows nothing about the world and wants to live a normal life.

Right one: shitty teenager saber clone purge it with fire.
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>>101230401
It's only "granny" for you because you are 12 years old b&.
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>>101230874
>Green ribbon in the school uniform

Ugh. Literally the only part of her new design that I don't like. The color just doesn't fit at all.
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Everyone's throwing shit at each other over something that really doesn't matter, and here I am reminiscing about my first VN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCwHuUGYIlA
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>>101230427
I don't care if you're trolling or just retarded, I'm still mad
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>>101230870
>I have read all of Tsukihime
Yeah, you sure read all of comments about Tsukihime on your facebook page.
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>>101231035
Hopefully they'll remove it, I don't like it either however i am looking forward to Remake Executioner Ciel and Remake Powered Ciel
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>>101230875
>she's elegant and sophisticated woman
>Not an airhead with the mind set of a child after Tohno minced her in seventeen piece.
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>>101231089
And I've gone through MB and KT. Saying
>No you just didn't read it fag
Is a pretty stupid "argument". It's my opinion, get over it.
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>>101230875
>Elegant and sophisticated woman

Oh, you mean the one who bandages herself with duct tape, spends hours sitting there watching even the shittiest movies, and is a complete airhead? Did we read the same story? Arc is not even remotely elegant or sophisticated. She's like a child.
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>>101231378
He must have Archtype-Earth on the brain.
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>>101231087
I love how Tsukihime fags always assume shitting on Tsukihime must be trolling.
>Incredibly bland faceless MC with no real character, which was admittedly fixed in MB/KT
>Ear-grating music and artwork that makes you want to vomit
>Call it DEEP, but reading about Shiki in his bed for hours is simply boring and stupid
>Awful pacing and no consistency between the routes in terms of theme, they don't compliment each other like they should to make a more interesting picture, they just fill info gaps
>Insane Shiki simply wasn't ever written well, saying the same word over and over and over is not very good writing and is a poor way to execute his version of insanity

But that's just like, my opinion man. Not a fact. But let me guess, for mentioning how shitty the art and music is you'll make some snarky comment about how I need better graphics. I just need decent art, plenty of VNs that old don't look nearly that terribad.
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>>101230742
I feel the more conservative old outfit fits with Arc's personality better.
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>>101231524
SHE is elegant. Arcueid is too busy cramming burgers/fries without wiping her mouth.
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>>101231202
>>101231378
We talk about an illustration, and what it gives to you.

The original Arcueid looks older and clearly not like a teenager-remake-version from school.
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>>101231915
Arcueid is has a pretty childish personality. That much is true and nobody can argue against it if they read more than two scenes with her in them. Going by your logic her new outfit IS better. If her personality is "younger", she should be wearing clothes to fit it. Like the clothes of someone younger, not a grandma's outfit.

So now her outfit actually fits her personality better.
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>>101231719
You could always change the music. I just kept it mute. Plus at least the art wasn't on Higurashi/Unineko levels of bad plus Takeuchi can draw bodies properly now.
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>>101231719
You should of changed it with Melty blood OST, makes an awesome read.
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>>101231915
tfw you like Extra's Arcuied better.....
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>>101232702
It's the same shit.
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>>101232702
You could like something better than F/E shit.
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>>101232734
>>101232803
I do rank Melty Blood Arc>F/E Arc>Tsukihime Arc tho. Melty Blood Arc a best...
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>>101232105
>Arcueid is has a pretty childish personality
She acts childish with Shiki because of AI YO. It's okay.
Without him she's not an airhead blinded by rabu.
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should I play tsukihime, melty blood and watch knk in order to "get" carnival phantasm?
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>>101233464
Tsukihime is worth it. You don't need to watch Kara no Kyoukai for Carnival Phantasm because it doesn't have any skits in it.
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>>101233552
alright, what about melty blood?
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>>101233464
Yes, do it in this order
Tsukihime==>PlusDisc===>Kagetsu Tohya====>Melty Blood Actress Again Current Code=====>Kara No Kyoukai
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>>101230227
anyone know the card game in the picture?
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>>101230199
An 800 year old immortal who was last awake for a significant amount of time several decades ago? Seriously. Arcueid's one of the only anime or VN characters I can name whose wardrobe actually characterizes her. She's also the absolute last Type-Moon character who could keep up to date with fashion. At least Gil had ten years to get trendy and shit, along with getting info from the Throne.
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Funny thing is, the new design looks closer to the original model Arc's design was based on.

Also, Arcueid wears clothes befitting of the place and era. In Victorian London, she would have dressed in Victorian garb. Seeing as how she's infiltrating a 21st Century Japanese city, it's only natural that she'd wear what teenaged girls normally wear.

And don't give me that "She's a super old vampire, just say she made a mistake or something". Nope. Prior to getting killed by Shiki, Arcueid was "perfect". She didn't make mistakes, except for that one time Roa tricked her. Her research would have been perfect.
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>>101235399
>She's also the absolute last Type-Moon character who could keep up to date with fashion.

Nope. Arcueid was supposed to be unmatched in efficiency. She researched the trends of the place she was infiltrating and found the best possible way to keep a low profile. Unfortunately, she can't do anything about the fact that she's a blonde-haired foreign beauty, but even so, every little bit counts. If ANYONE can perfectly research the trends and fashion of a particular place and era, it would be her. As the most "perfect" being in the planet, no one would be able to do that research better than her.
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>>101235749
>arcueid
>perfect

Obvious snark aside, she could have come up with a more effective way to deal with Roa than to kill him and wait for him to reincarnate every single time. Arcueid's far from perfect.
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>>101237020
She had no means to do so. But regardless, the planet made her perfect, or as close to it as it could. She had no interests or sense of fashion. She was simply a machine who did her duty as efficiently as possible with the tools that were available to her.
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>>101237238
If the planet made her "perfect" why didn't the planet give her MODPs to deal with Roa directly? Even without that, though, she could've sealed him away King Piccolo-style or preserved him as a living head, like Ilya-tan did with Shirou.
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>>101238241
The planet can't give her that. Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are Akasha territory. Arcueid is a product of Gaia, which is under Akasha. The planet can't just give people MEoDP; it doesn't have that "right".

Also, the majority of Arc's functions are locked. Ordinarily, she only gains a +1 modifier against any enemy she faces via planetary backup and isn't allowed any more than that. It seems that under very limited circumstances, she can access higher functions, but for the most part, +1 modifier and Marble Phantasm are really all she gets.
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>People actually think Arc's old design was supposed to give her an air of "dignity" or "maturity"

That was never the point. There was ALWAYS supposed to be a divide between her true status as the White Princess of the True Ancestors and that human "disguise" she wears. This is something Shiki repeatedly points out throughout her route. The fact that people actually say this kind of crap only proves that the original design failed to do what it was designed to do. In that case, it's only natural that they changed it.
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>>101239795
Shiki never said anything about that and Takeuchi said nothing either.
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>>101240008
Shiki repeatedly points out that Arcueid looks and acts nothing like a vampire. Arcueid was always supposed to visually be an "innocent young girl", not a "mature and dignified vampire lady". There's supposed to be a large contrast between her usual attire and her True Ancestor attire.
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>>101239795
So, you like miniskirts, big whoop. Want to fight about it?
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>>101240272
It's not about miniskirts.

When you see Arcueid in her True Ancestor dress with all its bells and whistles, you're supposed to notice a major contrast between that and her usual self. You're supposed to go "wow, this is completely different from how she normally seems in every way".

It doesn't work as well if you're already convinced she looks like a "mature and dignified lady" because the contrast is severely lessened.
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>>101235749
If she was perfect and didn't make mistakes, Roa wouldn't exist.

Checkmate, atheists
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>>101240355
Basically, you gain a greater appreciation for her "Princess" look if there's a larger contrast from her normal look.

It's similar to how there's a huge contrast between Ciel's "Senpai" mode and her "Executor" mode. In that regard, I can understand her redesign as well. Her new design looks very subdued, soft-spoken and calm, so there should be a larger sense of surprise when you see her in Executor mode for the first time.

And personally, I've always been fonder of Princess mode Arc anyway, so anything that makes it stand out more is okay in my book.
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all i care about is if ren will appear.
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>>101240396
She was as close to "perfect" as they could make her.

In the general scheme of things, she's the most "perfect" being on the planet. Or rather, she was, until Shiki "broke" her by killing her. It's kind of a large part of her backstory.
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>>101240355
The long skirt isn't meant to signify give airs of maturity and dignity. Not for me, anyway, nor most of the Arc fans I've talked to.

It's the fact she is still beautiful and perfect despite wearing plain clothes. A short skirt is showy, something she doesn't need, and something that removes that element beauty-shining-through.

If we're talking about disguises, a strikingly good looking gaijin wearing a long-skirt is going to attract less attention than one wearing a short-skirt. So the long-skirt is obviously better.

And I don't think anybody has ever complained about the new design because of how well it meshes with the True Ancestor Princess dress look. Have no clue where you're going with that at all.
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>>101240676
I'm pretty sure she's not the most perfect being on the planet, just the most perfect avatar of the planet itself, actually.
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>>101240811
The long skirt is out of the ordinary. That kind of fashion is unusual in modern Japan.
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>>101240900
And how do you know that? What decade does Tsukihime take place in again? Please remind me.
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>>101240885
She's the only avatar of the planet.

And as far as the True Ancestors and the planet itself are concerned, there's nothing on Earth more perfect than she was.

You know, before Shiki cut her into seventeen pieces.
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>>101240950
Originally, it was 2000.

Who knows when the remake takes place.
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>>101241000
Please show me some kind of definitive proof that long skirts were so alien to Japan in the 2000's that they would raise suspicion compared to a short skirt and be less effective a disguise.
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>>101240950
Japanese teenage girls just don't wear long skirts. It's not really a thing that happens all that often. It's not considered trendy.

A teenage girl who wears a long skirt is just gonna be more noticeable than a teenage girl wearing a short skirt in Japan. It's been that way for years.
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>>101230023
Makes me feel good, she's really cute.
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>>101241080
You want proof? Look at any photo taken in a busy Japanese city area. Look for teenage girls. Tell me what the vast majority are wearing. It's mostly gonna be short skirts, short shorts or long pants. One of those three.
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>>101241088
She's also a gaijin, who will be judged by different standards completely. And Arc is more young woman than teenage girl.
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>>101241225
>She's also a gaijin, who will be judged by different standards completely.

Nope. She can't do anything about the fact that she's a blonde-haired beauty, but human perception isn't that complicated. They'll naturally be more comfortable with things they're used to seeing, even if something's unusual about it. A gaijin wearing a long skirt is just gonna be more "foreign" than a gaijin wearing a long skirt. That's because two unfamiliar elements are just naturally gonna be more alien than one unfamiliar element mixed with a familiar one.

>And Arc is more young woman than teenage girl.
That's your perception. Strictly speaking, no one ever really mentions Arcueid's physical age. However, she's likely in the same visual age range as the other characters in the story, who are all seventeen-ish.
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>>101241194
Arc isn't trying to look like a Japanese girl, she's trying to dress in a way that doesn't attract attention. A long skirt on a young gaijin woman isn't going to make anyone blow their top any more than a short skirt would. The short skirt would probably attract more attention because it shows more skin.
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>>101241335
That's irrelevant.

The Arcueid from before getting killed by Shiki was all about efficiency. If something would lower her conspicuousness by even 0.001%, she would have taken it.
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>>101241412
So then Shiki ruined everything, huh?
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>>101241446
He certainly ruined Tsukihime.
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>>101241328
>That's your perception. Strictly speaking, here's mine, which is obviously better than yours for no particular reason.
ok

And you can keep going all you want, but I'm not going to buy the whole 'Japanese people projectile vomit upon seeing a young woman in a long skirt' bit because it's bullshit. Showing less skin attracts less attention.

>>101241412
And I'm saying you're overestimating the effects of a long-skirt's conspicuousness. So, it's not irrelevant at all. I'm saying one is more conspicuous than the other, you're saying hurr ur wrong, neither of us can back up anything. But thanks for the laughable attempt at proof earlier.
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>>101238671
It's X + 1, remember. It's like Medaka, "same as you but better".

Medaka vs Arc who wins.
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>>101241585
If you think he ruined Tsukihime, you're retarded
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>>101241446
Well yeah.

Nasu said so himself. When Shiki killed Arcueid, he "broke" her on a fundamental level.

Before that event, Arcueid was "perfect", in the sense that she had nothing unnecessary. No curiosity, no interests, no desires, no needs. She was entirely self-sufficient, she did everything she was supposed to do. She killed Dead Apostles. When she's not killing Dead Apostles, she sleeps. She did nothing but what she was designed to do, and she did it in the most efficient manner possible with the tools and abilities at her disposal. She didn't speak to anyone she didn't need to speak to. She didn't say anything more than what was absolutely necessary. She had no desires and no preferences.

Then Shiki killed her this broke her and all these unnecessary things popped up inside her. Curiosity, interest, desires, preferences, all sorts of things that she wasn't supposed to have. That's the Arc we currently know and love.
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>>101241667
Arc. She waits until Medaka isn't a teenager anymore and fucks her shit up.
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>>101241669
To be honest, I don't. The shitty writing ruined Tsukihime. Shiki was a symptom of that, not the cause.
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>>101241730
I can get behind that strategy.

It's funnier if they both explode from overload though.
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>>101241777
Arcueid is the planet. She's not gonna explode unless the planet does.
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>>101242006
That's not how it works, retard
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>>101242093
I didn't realize you were an expert on planetary backup.
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>>101230870

Nasu downgrading Arc in CCC while making Ryogi more powerful in Extra shows he's starting to give less of a fuck about Arc and Tsukihime.
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>>101242162
Arc had to downgrade Arc in order to justify the playable Servant beating her.

No Servant short of Gilgamesh should ever be able to beat Arcueid one-on-one.
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>>101242162
It just proves Nasu does whatever the fuck he feels like, nothing else. Like Nasu ever gave a shit about Tsukihime anyway.
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Nasu had to downgrade Arc in order to justify the playable Servant beating her.

No Servant short of Gilgamesh should ever be able to beat Arcueid one-on-one.
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>>101242148
Despite the bond between Arc and the Earth, it's not like she'd start losing hair if a massive nuclear war started. Or like she'd lose an arm if something removed Australia from existence.

Saying Arc blows up when the planet does is stupid and you've got nothing to back it up.
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>>101242006
That's stupid. It's like saying a toaster won't explode until the power plant does as you keep upping the wattage.
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>>101242407
Or like she'd grow a third nipple if a new island popped up in the specific.
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>>101242407
Dunno if she'd blow up, but she'd certainly die if the planet died. The will of the planet can't exactly survive if the planet went and died.

...Hilariously, Archetype=Earth's scenario in Actress Again was basically about the planet trying to commit suicide, just because it seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then Arcueid wakes up so apparently it was all a dream.
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>>101242483
Pacific, I'm a fucking retard holy shit
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>>101242407
Or like she'd get constipated if the Gulf stream slowed down
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>>101242257

Before this, Arc was TYPE MOON too so had a mascot-connection with the title of the company.

Now Type Moon is associated with Mooncell which is a Grail War and Fate/ related.
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>>101242525
Just goes to show that Arcueid and the planet really are the same person.

No matter how you look at it, no one else could be that much of an idiot. Or at least, that's how Ciel feels.



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