Wow, that was really sad.
So why did he stab himself in the eye?
Aiko already did that too, though.
I read some other thing this guy wrote and I think that much like real life, sometimes people in his stories just do totally random shit for no sensible reason.
Wasn't that about some Daruma symbolism? But really, he probably did it because he was on the verge of breaking down and it was a way for him to end it all.
I think it was because the first time his eye got stabbed he said it was incomplete, because Aiko didn't put all her effort into it. So he was finishing the job.
Also it was like Aiko existed solely to get shitted on by the universe.
So was the moral of the story that women are terrible?
Who says a story must have a moral?
I'm pretty sure Goodnight Punpun had a moral. It's probably something about how life is shit but growing up means you have to deal w/ it and live anyway.
How did he not end up in jail for life?
The laws are less severe for bird people.
Ah I see, makes sense.
So why was he a bird?
He killed in order to save someone else's life. Going on the run afterwards was retarded but he was panicked and not in a rational state of mind from having just killed someone.
I started reading What a Wonderful World. Really enjoying it.
I think it was to show people who couldn't click with anyone in live finally settled for better or for worse.
Some people like Aiko "existed solely to get shitted on by the universe." as this >>101228479 anon said.
Some of them got some kind of bitter-sweet ending, punpun got something better than he ever had, its not perfect but still, its something.
Also his gf is a bit damaged just like he is so they click together.
Not sure about the tears on this pic, is it because he missed childhood or to show that this teacher was a reject as well and could recognise someone with similar experience When teacher asked his fiance whether she accepts "all of him", I guess its because he was bullied or something and now full of insecurities.
Just read it 30 minutes ago, still have to wrap my head around it.
I didn't think it was really a sad ending. I mean it could have been worse isn't it. It's just fine.
It's a metaphor for his weak sense of self.
That's not really true, there isn't any metaphor behind his initial bird form. Asano has stated he simply made the stylistic choice because it allowed him more creativity to depict Punpun's emotional states.
>He isn't a bird.
Get out human.
I think Aiko did tried to kill him, she set it up so all clues pointed at him killing her.
It looks like he raped her and she injured him with a knife during struggle, then he killed her and make it look like she committed suicide after and then made this retarded story for police.
There is nothing for him to avoid imprisonment.
It was pretty bittersweet. On one hand it was hopeful because Punpun was finally able to start building a life. On the other hand, he realized that in order to do that and become "normal" he had to throw away pretty much everything he believed in and loved when he was a kid. But then they brought back his childhood friend who moved away to show that Punpun was wrong about that in the end. That might be why he was crying. Just my speculation.
Who the heck god was?
Self concious? Doubts? something ugly inside?
How can he prove that? Police can show that he killed the mom, but the only witness left to help him kill.
The inherent ugly part that exists in all humans.
The autopsy would show that she died by hanging herself, not by being choked or anything.
I'm sorry I don't really understand you. If you mean how can he prove he killed in self-defense, it's simple. There were signs of a struggle and Aiko's blood is probably in the shack.
Alternatively, how could they prove he committed murder? As far as I remember, he never used the knife, so according to fingerprints on it and lack of evidence, it wouldn't be hard to assume he merely defended himself.
For some reason despite everything else happening I felt really sad when I saw that panel where Aiko's desk had "whoever sits here will be cursed with bad luck forever" carved on it.
Did Aiko and Punpun really love eachother? It seems to me they were each looking for someone who had a life as fucked up as theirs to feel less pain and loneliness. That would be why Aiko hangs herself, she sees that at least Punpun still has something left in life, so she frees him from herself.
I felt like punpun sticked with Sachi for the first time because of selflessness, he dont want to be with her but she was good to him or maybe because he dont have anything other to live for he decided that the best he can do is give himself to someone else.
It's a little of both. I think Punpun genuinely loved Aiko, partly because she represented some kind of ideal he didn't have in himself. Something like innocence or the way her life was so shit but she lived with so much energy. Aiko probably latched onto Punpun because he was the most stable thing in her entire life, ever. This is why she starts to distrust him near the end. But at the same time there was a lot she did that showed she loved him too. I think she hung herself not to free herself from him but to free him from her. She probably understood she didn't have much longer to live and would rather end it on her own than drag Punpun down.
I really love reading stories about kids/teens growing up into adulthood, thinking about their past dreams/friends/love and seeing how shit their life is now but they still keep going on.
Makes me feel less like a loser I guess.
Saged for blogshit
The parts that hit me the most were his mother dying and Punpun not giving a fuck and loosing complete contact from his father who he loved. I was really happy to see that his dad managed to find a somewhat comfortable life.
Same with the uncle, him finally settling down was great. God appearing in his child's eye was creepy though
My guess is the Fight Club/Tyler Durden ending, where the MC shoots himself in the throat to snap him back to reality, "killing" his evil alter-ego Tyler.
This isn't really blogshit and I like Asano's works for the same reason.
Notice that his uncle and his father had tears in the eyes as well as punpun and his friend from school.
Wonder whether it were tears of regret or happiness or maybe something like a proof of hard life, like mark of looser or something.
Also, who the fuck was Pegaus, this creepy mofo set on fire, with steel pipe trough the eye, fucking peace signing Seki.
And who the fuck was dude in glasses and headband.
What was the message there?
Something about looking for a place to belong, about people who lost it or what.
So much shit on the first pages and almost dead thread about punpun.
Its the first time I visit /a/ since 2011 and holly shit you guys changed.
I thought he stabbed his eye to kill God. At least that's what made the most sense to me.
The dude with the sunglasses explained it himself. They're just a fucked up cult for losers but Pegasus represents a kind of good force in the world that believes in humanity and love, and the dude in sunglasses is his antithesis, and believes everything is shit and pain.
We had a thread of 500+ replies when it came out. You just need to lurk more. Or leave again, if you're just going to a whiny cunt.
Do you have a link to the archive of the thread? I missed it. I only just found out it was completely scanlated today.
And another one right after that I can't be bothered to find. People do discuss Punpun, there was maybe a little less hype for the last volume as another translation was already out there before Hox's and so some had already read it.
I'm not the first guy you replied to. I know /a/ discusses all kinds of shit all the time.
Does this hit enough points to pass off as a Punpun joke? I haven't read it.
Why would a thread about a finished manga (with such a mediocre ending which has been discussed plenty since the last chapter got released in English) should get more attention than any other topic in here?
I'm reading through that archived thread and it seems like a lot of people thought the ending was a non-ending that didn't resolve anything, which I don't get. I thought the ending was pretty straightforward and conclusive. There was some other manga Asano did, I think it was about some dick kid in some shitty small town and he fights with some other kid and an autistic girl, and then it literally just kind of ends in the middle of the story. Now THAT was a shitty non-ending.
It was a reference to Metal Gear Solid, a game in which a common motif is losing an eye. The symbology of seeing into the abyss, aka evil, and paying for it, is represented by a lost eye. Obviously the characters cannot lose their mental being as that would ruin the story.
>Some guy writes a long post about how the ending felt empty and shitty because it wasn't happy and Punpun didn't win the girl and live happily ever after
To kill god.
SON OF A BITCH
Some subplots were promptly shoved under the rug considering their amount of build-up, or so I felt. I enjoyed the ending, but volume 12 was perhaps more powerful in terms of emotional impact.
Honestly, it's been so long since I read volumes 1-11, so I can't remember off the top of my head what subplots you might be talking about.
Being Aiko is suffering.
I wonder what would have happened if the mom's body was never found.
The whole Pegasus/Good Vibrations cult ended in a bit lackluster way for the screen time it had, I thought. Yuuichi gets conventionally better when his kid is born, despite being shown as becoming increasingly unstable as his wife's pregnancy was advancing. Sachi conveniently finds Punpun laying on the ground. Punpun's jail time is merely handwaved and we never see the effect it has on him. Those are some minor details and that are not essentially important to the volume ultimately, but that's how I felt when reading it.
Aiko would have died slowly and painfully of her internal injuries and Punpun would have committed suicide. This is why Aiko killed herself. She probably knew she was fucked and Punpun was fucking losing it, and it was all because of her. Meanwhile she lost trust in him and stabbed him. In the end Aiko was best girl after all.
I want to save her from this shit life ;_;
Punpun's jailtime wasn't handwaved; he was on probation and clearly only got off easily because it was self-defense.
Sachi found Punpun because they were both at the abandoned factory, which was an important location in their childhoods.
I prefer to imagine how Punpun's life would go if he never met Aiko at all.
To be honest I didn't like how Sachi just found him on the ground either, but I think I get it now. The Daruma represents unfulfilled dreams, and Punpun loses his eye because his dreams cannot be fulfilled and God lives in his eye representing his despair. He stabs himself in the eye because he's ready to just give up now and die because his dreams can never be fulfilled. When Pegasus somehow defeats despair, the meteor shower represents hope being granted to the people, so Sachi's wish to protect Punpun is fulfilled and Punpun's life is saved by her finding him, so he still has a chance at happiness.
As for Yuichi I interpreted his getting better as normal, he grew to accept it eventually, but then you see him bugging out again when the kid is born going "IT BEGINS" so he's losing it again. It wasn't such a bad conclusion.
As for all the Pegasus shit, the Seki/Shimizu subplot... yeah, shit sucked and I'm still lost.
He would be just another boring person?
>Seki/Shimizu subplot... yeah, shit sucked and I'm still lost.
At lest he forgot about poop god... hopefully.
Yeah, what the fuck was up with the poop god?
The most important question is
At least he would have a chance at happiness.
Please no. You can't adapt this into animation, it would destroy the whole feel of the manga.
No he wouldn't. Punpun's life was always shitty. Aiko was probably one of the few things that gave his life happiness, because she was someone who needed him and he could actually do something for instead of being a useless, alone piece of shit. She was something innocent and beautiful that no one else seemed to notice except him. Even at the end Aiko basically was his childhood.
If he had never met Aiko he would have had absolutely no meaning in his life whatsoever and just grinded out the days waiting to die.
>Punpun's life was always shitty.
I dunno. He seemed like he had some good moments here and there. Like that time he watched porn with his friends.
Everyone has some good moments in their life, no matter how shitty their life is. But his life was still shit.
Wouldnt be better to said "that it turned to shit"?
He still had potential for something good to happen in the future. Instead he focused way too much on Aiko which had a detrimental effect on him.
So what was the deal with Pegasus and his cult? I get what >>101233093 is saying but how did Pegasus solve everyone's problems with his hope meteors? Was Pegasus actually some kind of Jesus? Was Wada Satan? What was the god of poop? How did Pegasus save everyone? I just don't understand.
Well, his life turns to shit pretty early and then is consistently shitty from vol. 1 on.
Dude, even before his dad got arrested Punpun was a lonely, overly serious kid who had no ability to take it easy, talked to himself because he was so incapable of relating to anyone else and had no one to turn to, and blamed himself for fucking everything. I think meeting Aiko was a good thing, because it gave him hope. Sure, he ended up becoming obsessed with her, but I think that Aiko up until the last couple of volumes helped keep Punpun sane way more than she hurt him.
Too bad she is fictional and ded.
That's not entirely true. When he was all depressed and already thinking about killing himself while living alone after his mother died, it was seeing Aiko at the train station that made him become more proactive and work harder.
So is your waifu.
>There will never be Sachi in your live.
Aiko was too pure for this world.
I thought that all the stuff that came out about her like her "modeling" gig, her shitty life, and her raging at Punpun in the woods was to show she wasn't as perfect as Punpun thought, but looking back on it, she's probably the only character in the story whose actions are for the most part totally selfless.
>"Dear God...is this hope?"
That line got to me.
Did not read this and don't plan to.
But is he really a fucking bird? And do people aknowledge the fact he is a big, walking, talking, bird?
No, he's a normal human, he's just drawn as a bird.
It's not literal, aspie.
Her and Shimizu. This part where all the other kids are scared shitless and he goes back alone to help them was fucking great.
He's a normal human, why do you care if you're not going to read it?
I often see people talk about it, be it on /a/ or other sites, so I was interested.
Nah. If you want to get dpwn to it Shimizu and Pegasus are the selfless characters. But thats if we take the cult storyline literally. You kind of miss the point if you want to find a completely selfless character in this story.
>for the most part
Pegasus wasn't selfless at all, if he was he wouldn't want other people to die with him.
>there are people on /a/ that unironically like Punpun
Dropped it on chapter 11
So did they actually see the stars/milky way when they were kids or not?
I didn't say anything about wanting to find a "completely selfless" character. I didn't even say Aiko was completely selfless.
First time reading a seinen/slice of life work like this.
Can /a/ please recommend me more authors or works like this? Would greatly appreciate.
They didn't, the sky was too cloudy and polluted since they live in a city. They just thought they saw it because they were innocent and stupid kids.
That makes it actually really fucking sad. More than anything else that happened.
But thats still wrong. She is an immature and selfish person. SHe might be innocent and childish but children are usaually the most selfish characters. There are characters who display real acts of selflessness though, Mama Punpun, Manager, Mimura and even Sachi.
Like I said only if you take the cult storyline literally.
The painting of the Milky Way was also fake, as Sachi said towards the end. The way I see it, the painting represents Punpun's wish to recapture his childhood innocence, and the reveal that the stars were never there at the end shows complete loss of it.
Sachi outright states that she wants to protect Punpun to feel better about herself. That is the exact opposite of selflessness. Aiko fucking kills herself to free Punpun from herself. It doesn't get more selfless than that.
The whole things left me feeling good. My youth was dog shit, but I like to think I'm getting better. Missed a lot of the important, most notably college, but I'm ok with it. Punpun made it. So can I.
Basically what >>101239531 said.
Well I feel like watching the stars with all his friends and Aiko was possibly the happiest moment of his worthless childhood. Then you realize even that was a lie, the best feels he ever had never existed.
What would you say was the biggest takeaway of the series for you?
I think mine was "Your life was never that good, but it also was never that bad, so just keep moving and try not to dwell on things."
Anyone have any books they would recommend that have a Punpun type "dealing with the past" story?
We're all gonna make it brah.
Punpun is a fictional character though. That's like saying if Bruce Willis survives the Die Hard franchise you can do anything.
She kills herself to escape the guilt of killing her mother. I'm not 100% positive, but doesn't Aiko reveal that she is the one who finished off her mother?
There's a little bit of Punpun in all of us. And there's a little bit of Bruce Willis, too.
Punpun is a realistic fictional character though, Bruce Willis is a power fantasy.
Mine was "Life is shitty, sometimes it's incredibly shitty for no reason at all, and people are also shitty, but you have to keep moving forward and form relationships and live your life, because that's what it means to be an adult and if you give in to despair you have nothing."
Yes, but it's pretty obvious that that's not why she killed herself. She killed herself because she was already dying, she realized she had acted like a piece of shit stabbing Punpun when he had nothing but love for her, and because Punpun was going to take all the blame for her.
>Bruce Willis is a power fantasy.
Not in Die Hard 1.
>Yes, but it's pretty obvious that that's not why she killed herself. She killed herself because she was already dying, she realized she had acted like a piece of shit stabbing Punpun when he had nothing but love for her, and because Punpun was going to take all the blame for her.
Guilt, for the death of her mother and Punpun willingness to take the blame. It would have been more selfless to turn herself in and confess. It would be her words against his.
Also the picture of him, his mom and his uncle's gf in front of the old house.
She's dying because of her wound and is going crazy because of all the hoplessness in her life, don't expect her to think logically.
Just like how /a/ wasn't all that much better no matter how hard oldfags get all nostalgic about it.
Same /a/ flavor.
I like that the characters' art look like real japanese people. At least more than usual mango.
>LOL look at me I am imma a tripfag.
Admit it, you just produced a small diamond with your anus.
I have... no idea what you're talking about.
>Look at me I'm new!
To be honest I always thought that spread page was partially fake, but to think it was totally fake is really sad.
Well it's not certain if it really were totally fake. Punpun merely wonders if what they saw just looked more beautiful to their eyes than for other people. Plus, whether or not the scene was fake, the feelings the kids felt back then were real.
this. Also thanks Hox, always have looked forward to your releases
Holly fuck, read from this moment and have your mind blown.
Punpun meets his future self on the roof.
Now this is fucking genius.
Don't take everything shown so literally.
That is true, but as the reader it really makes me feel sad now, even though in the past that spread used to be one of my favorites bits of the manga. I even remember I had a big smile when I was reading that part.
Why the fuck are you reading such a good manga with such good ART in mangafox? You're decreasing the enjoyment of the manga by 50%.
His future shadowy self says "I am..."
Later when he actually stand there he says "I've become strong"
He did seen himself.
Why would you even respond to him, anon.
I can't even follow your line of logic, anon. Are you drunk?
I dont, I read Hox scanlations, I just posted this link so people who dont have second vol on hdd atm, could actually see what I am talking about.
At that moment on the roof as a kid, he seen himself from the future starting his monologue about how he became strong.
So... Aiko or Sachi?
You seriously think that just from the two words "I am," which happen to be part of the most common utterances in any language, that the mystery-figure is continuing the same exact monologue as Punpun's adult self in v13?
Again, are you drunk?
Aiko was too pure for this world.
Aiko deserves to be happy, I wish she would get a better hand but I have to go with Sachi
There is something inside of me wanting a beautiful woman to accept my worthless self, I know, shallow and selfish and wont happen but still.
The "mystery figure" disappeared without a trace so it wasnt just some trespasser, I am pretty sure it was punpuns future self.
What the fuck started the fire though?
I feel so bad though since I know people like aiko exist and they get fucked over form the beginning. Aiko deserved a better end ;_;
Yup, the ending was sad. I'm glad some people can see that.
FUCKING STOP IT
I know that feel. After working for a few months in a children hospital I can confirm shit like this does happen.
I agree, you should really stop using Mangafox.
So Yuuichi's kid is fucked too?
And what's up with the kids at the end? The new girl is supposed to be another Aiko and that other kid another Punpun? Teacher-Friend isn't crazy like their homeroom teacher was though.
And what exactly happens with Punpun's left eye? He stabbed it so hard blood squirted out in that panel, but he's somehow able to get surgery so that Teacher-Friend mentions it only once?
God dammit, I just started this last night, and it will be impossible to finish this in time for the /a/ discussions about the ending.
Why did Aiko stuffed her panties in her mouth?
Is it because she resents herself for being with punpun and starting to hate him?
Verty pls, I thought you weren't that new.
wait so it isn't over yet?
Well blood squirting is just typical jap manga.
He probably lost his eye and has a big scar instead. His friend doesn't want to ask because he knows he most likely lost it in fucked up circumstances, so there is no point in making him remember them.
We've all got a little bit of god inside us. The kid is only as fucked as he allows himself to be. The kids in the end are just a reminder that the problems that Punpun and Aiko faced are, in essence, commonplace and many people will deal with them now and in the future.
As for the eye, it's possible that the surgery might have given him partially damaged vision in that eye, but it really doesn't matter.
His eye is gone completely. As for the kids at the end, Yuichi's kid isn't fucked. He's as pure and innocent as any babby. The God in his eye is the potential despair that lurks in every human.
The part with the kids at the end I think is meant to show that there are lots of kids out there like Punpun and Aiko and even though those kids are clearly different from them everyone goes through a similar experience growing up and falling in love, etc.
She most likely did it to prevent waking up Punpun.
I just haven't read punpun yet, gimme a break.
Heh thanks, never made the link.
You should stop browsing this thread then.
All you need to know is that being Aiko is suffering. And you are set for these threads
I doubt hunged person make loud noises, any other reason?
I still think it because she started to resent what punpun had become and maybe partially blamed him for situation they are now.
To prevent any sound from coming out.
Imagining her being so desperate that she has to put her filthy panties in her mouth makes the scene even more sad.
I like to think that when Aiko killed herself she could at least be happy knowing that even though her life sucked pretty much all the way, at least at the end she had found someone who loved her completely to the point where he was willing to spend his life in jail for her. So her killing herself to spare Punpun that fate was her way of reciprocating that love. They had a real fucked up relationship but it's quite touching.
Well this dude makes a lot of noise.
To think I began reading the series those years ago from that "a piece of my brain shot out my wiener" page.
No, bro, you understand nothing about Aiko. She honestly wasn't deep enough to even think of something like that anyway.
She didn't resent Punpun, she felt sorry for him. She thought that by killing herself, she could save Punpun from suffering the same fate as her. Her request to Punpun for them to remember each other every Tanabata is her subtly foreshadowing her final wish before she leaves him for good.
It's pretty much the same reason why Punpun also wanted to be killed by Aiko. Both of them were so depressed that they deluded themselves into thinking that their sole purpose in life was to "save" the other, thereby justifying the pathetic excuse of a life they've been living.
>deluded themselves into thinking that their sole purpose in life was to "save" the other,
At that point though it actually was.
I was a bit thrown off by the panties in her mouth and thought she resenting herself and punpun.
They really did had a fucked up relationship.
Also, I wonder how much of punpun is rooted in Asano Inio's live.
Sachi's manga have personages from Solaning, Sachi wants to make a mange based on punpun's input and main character is a bird (a bit far-fetched but still) and after learning that Asano want to go trough sex change, I couldnt help but wonder whether Sachi is his avatar.
Just look at the pic, even glasses are the same.
All of the shit happened for that cop out of a moral? Fuck that.
Hey, he wanted to turn on the TV for his mother. He's not that much of a bad guy
So did anything good really happen to Aiko? I understand why she killed herself I'm just not sure if she had any kind of closure.
Someone posted this the other day, pretty accurate.
Nope, her life was expressively shitty to the point where her only choices where limited to the kind of death she wanted to die.
She was happy with punpun for a while and those probably where the happiest days of her adult live but that doesn't look like a closure to me.
Nope, her life was progressively shitty to the point where her only choices where limited to the kind of death she wanted to die.
She was happy with punpun for a while and those probably where the happiest days of her adult live but that doesn't look like a closure to me.
Reminder that Shimizu is dead
Even Stalin cared for his mother
Where is the guy who slit his throat?
Because he didn't slit his own throat?
Maybe this went over my head, but where did Aiko's body go?
They showed a closeup of an ambulence for nine panels in the previous two pages.
Completely missed it. Thank you.
However, now I'm wondering where the note came from. It's probably just something from a previous volume and I'm not remembering. I read 13 without refreshing myself at all but I'm about to sit and reread the whole series again.
Okay, I'm dumb. He was carrying it with him.
I guess the context of the note being shown clearly on that page made me think he found it there for whatever reason. I'm dumb.
Maybe I just forgot but did they ever explain what that big lipped duck thing is in >>101248731?
It's the logo to the crazy cult thing. It's in the very first chapter.
That's it? Well alright. Thanks.