Those who don't know.
F/SN was released exactly 10 years ago today (January 30, 2004).
The one of the few franchise that /a/ gets in extremely passionate discussions/arguments about even though all the shit it causes.
If only Nasu knew what he was going to cause.
Going to go 2009 and do a dump of most characters if anyone would want to join.
You're up early, Toosaka.
Such a good story for me. I really hope the new Anime adapts it well enough that I can experiences the same hot-blooded hype that came with the climax of all the routes. Unless of course it's Anime Original.
And Sakura still the Best Girl
Maybe if she was a mute.
Yes she is
I'll start with a little Caster
How old are these fucking things?
This was a good tribute,
That was to 10 years of TM. It just never was scanned for a while.
We should be getting a Fate one next comiket.
Switch to the sisters.
I'm not sure if it's been fun times or that's just my masochist side.
Can he kill Servants?
And where are their routes?
Sakura the strongest!
Sword should have the pommel be shaped like a dickworm.
It actually bothers me a bit. There are a lot of old series /a/ turns their nose up at and doesn't discuss because "there's nothing new to talk about," yet for all these years, even when there was nothing new in the franchise, it's been a cinch to make a Fate thread, day in day out. Even a thread with a brainless OP like "TOHSAKA SUCKS OLD MEN'S COCKS OHOHOHOHO" gets 300+ posts of the same stupid discussion we've seen a million times before. Why is that?
F/SN is the Naruto of Type-Moon. Prove me wrong.
>yet for all these years, even when there was nothing new in the franchise
It is not even only /a/
Look at japan. They still love F/SN also. There is always something to discuss/entertainment to be found plus how we will never let the franchise die.
Because Saber is best girl
>It actually bothers me
Man that's moronic logic.Disliking something for being popular isn't going to make that hidden gem show a few years ago popular anon.
God some of these pictures are old as fuck
>2004 was 10 years ago
Yes? Do you think that, every single day, for every single thread, there's been something new to discuss?
Putting words into my mouth. I like Fate, I've played through FSN twice and I'm really looking forward to the new anime. You seem very defensive.
Does that mean rin shirou and waver dismantle the grail this year?
Archer going on about winning the war alone should be there now too, also Shiki complaining about no-one talking about her work in the threads.
Funny isn't it
>If only Nasu knew what he was going to cause.
Did you mean Takeuchi? Because he was the one that ruined FSN.
Indeed. Nasu wanted King Arthur to be a man.
To be fair, there are a few reasons for this.
About every year or so there has been a little bit of something new and fresh introduced in to the franchises, in the form of extra/side material and or spinoffs or something. So every year there has been new things to bicker about.
Though, the most prominent reason is probably that people can never agree on any interpretation when it comes to F/SN.
>Murders Shirou the most of the three
They're all lovely, now stop this pointless bickering.
Heaven's Feel > UBW > Fate
Fate/Zero S2 never
forever stuck with cheap vn drama for horny teenagers
UBW > HF > Fate
>Fate/Zero S2 never
Good. Genfags stay mad.
>mfw the ufotable anime is the Mitsuzuri route
>10 years later after the VN
This means that Shirou is now about to die.
Actually Japan, well at least 2ch and Futaba, don't talk about FSN that much.
TM has a strong userbase but they don't spend their time circlejerking every days like in /a/, I'm pretty certain /a/ in general had much more posts about FSN than both sites combined
I will jizz in a box of love letters and mail it to Nasu if that happens.
The new FSN is technically F/Z S2. What else is there to say about keritugu and company?
Is that Canaan?
ufotable already said that they're gonna make their adaptation darker than the source material. So go back to the VN if you want your hooky shounen shit.
>EMIYA has been saving the world all this time and we never knew
>EMIYA is gonna die and nobody will know about it either
We should be on the lookout for nuclear tragedies this year
The new F/SN is technically the old F/SN with a more competent studio.
Kiritsugu is dead, btw.
Don't cut yourself on that edge.
I was talking about it from an anime point of view.
The first FSN anime doesn't exist now
That sounds pretty cool; maybe they'll ditch every instance of dinner/strategic meeting scene
>mfw this skit from CP actually made me fall in love with Sakura.
How? She was a bitch.
How was she not perfect in this skit. So smart, so dark.
Because Zero was sooo dark. Ooh, I'm Kotomine and I like hurting people.
Zero was servants talking to each other and Iskandar.
If Saber had been a man how much better would F/SN have been?
The h-scenes would still be there, obviously.
What's up /a/, /pol/ here.
Today is also the day that the Fuhrer was sworn into office. Hooray cross-boarding!
She was a cute in CP, but I genuinely wanted Shirou to kill her in the VN.
It's not her fault. You have to save her.
Fate route would'nt be a shit then but would still be the worst route
Even with F/Z the show managed to avoid most of the casualfag SAO/SNK tier fans. You know, the sort of greasy weeaboo losers who go to western cons spouting the 5 words of Japanese they know. It looks like 2014 is the year that Fate becomes a entry level franchise (even if the VN was already a entry level VN).
It's because the first episode was an hour long and full of exposition. 5 minutes in their ADHD started acting up and they shut it off because there wasn't enough "epic fites" and yelling.
I hope they do the same thing with Rin's prologue.
10 years and Caster is still perfect and yet unloved. It's so sad.
Was is Saber so popular in Japan even though she's the worst character? Deep down do the Japanese realize that Western women>Japanese women?
This scene better happen, no matter what route they go with.
Who the fuck is this guy talking smack to Cast-tan?
Fate has always been a more cerebral series than most.
Even the basic concept of summoning storybook heroes to fight each other in a magic war really gets my intellectual hipster snob scarf in a big, spooge-covered knot.
Deen's fate adaption is entry level as fuck and one the reasons the series as a whole is as popular as it is today.
Considering Caster's past, that's really mean.
Lancer just want to get laid. He even said to Shirou that he would make a move on him if he didn't have a dick.
Why are all Lancers such mansluts?
Now now, Moleman was no manslut. Just cursed with the terrible fate of being super attractive!
No problem, because it happens before the story begins.
Is Tsukihime (VN) better than Fate? Is it still shounen?
It's a fate route adaptation, bro.
I wouldn't say better or worse, but still good. Wait for re-make, though. It's horribly outdated.
Tsukihime VN is definitely not shounen. It's almost like a detective novel.
Ayako is Shinji's bitch pal.
It's all shounen. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Type-Moon is shounen for adults.
Anyone who doesn't accept that fact is lying to themselves.
>wait for remake
Might as well tell him to step in a pool of quicksand
Which means he's an idiot for talking smack to best girl.
Oh, remake will be out this year.
A translation, however, will never happen.
Type-Moon stuff really is for teenagers. It's just the forced H-Scenes that makes it for adults.
Been waiting nearly 4 years for that Subahibi translation now.
I'll sock you one good m8
>even when there was nothing new in the franchise
Man, fate prisma Ilya ended, like, 4 months ago.
Also, there is the relatively recent daptation of fate/zero and the upcoming translation of F/HA (just 5 more years, it's closer then ever), and fate/extra and CCC if you are talking about the fate franchise as a hole, not no mention the overly hyped ufoteble anime this year.
That's only on the fate series, if we include all type-moon universe, there is also the constantly released KnK movies, with the most recent released a few months ago (and we are still waiting for the BD) and the tsukihime remake announced for never
Like another anon said it's very reminiscent of a detective novel. Tsukihime is much darker than fate in that the MC is constantly losing his mind. I would say the characters are also slightly more interesting.
On the other hand the battles are pretty boring, the visuals are dated as fuck and there is less exposition so the world isn't as fleshed out.
This. Though I would argue that Tsukihime is more adult. The H scenes are laughably juxtaposed to the shounen level narrative.
>Oh, remake will be out this year.
>Shounen for adults
So it's seinen.
No. "shounen for adults" does not automatically make it seinen.
He's probably referring to the shounen "genre".
Shounen for adults is seinen by definition of seinen.
Shounen for adults makes no sense. It is like saying 'it is something directed at young boys, but for adults". Shounen is a demographic not a genre.
oh boy here we go
>Type-Moon is shounen for adults
>shounen for adults
It's not a shounen then.
>believing sounen is a genre.
What do you call a seinen with all the tropes of a shounen, but just more mature?
Why, I'd call that shounen for adults.
Because that's what it would be. Yes, they're demographics and not genres. But if I made The Smurfs, added some technobabble, and said that it was actually for grown-ups, it wouldn't magically make it a grown-up show.
I'd say that fate and UBW are shounen and HF and F/Z are seinen, simple as that.
Nasu himself has said that Fate is shonen.
You can have shonen types of stories for the seinen demographic.
You call them MANCHILDREN. What made it seinen were the sex stories. Outside of that, if you read Realta Nua, it was no more different than shounen stories.
The reason we keep talking about this shit is because Type-Moon doesn't answer anything
Blood is just a shock value. It doesn't really determine the target audience. For an example, Shingeki no Kyojin is a shounen manga because it's serialized in a shounen magazine.
Although, personally I tend to call shows with lots of blood and shounen heroes borderline seinen.
When those "sex stories" are a fundamental part of the plot, like the sakura backstory in HF, I think that it can't be categorized as a shounen.
I agree as for fate and UBW though.
What is the age demographic for seinen?
Some people say 18-24, some say 18-30 and others say 18-40.
I've always felt that the most prominent factor in designating the appropriate demography should be the certain tones the story has.
ie. If it leans more towards mature tones, then it's seinen. (philosophy, politics, etc.)
10 years and she's still unloved.
I can't wait for the new adaptation, just so I can see how much screentime she doesn't get. ;_;
idk, what is there after seinen? if nothing, I don't think there is a upper age limit.
Seinen is 18 or older. It literally means "adult". 80 year-olds are adults. 18 year-olds are adults.
Sure other people might be able to enjoy it but that's the demographic it's marketed and produced for.
Wrong. K-ON is seinen. Berserk is seinen. Demographics don't mean shit about the content.
Fate > UBW >>>>>> HF
I'm probably the only one in the world thinking this.
I hope ufotable gives some space to tiger dojo at the end of the episodes.
They probably won't.
Caren = Taiga = Rider > Basett = Rin = Illya > Caster > Shit > Saber
What about Sakura?
I'm with you
She is the "shit".
Shit taste is shit.
Oh, and people only like rider because of her body and wormslut for... Heck, I can't even find a good reason to like her.
When the author of the series calls it a shonen, it's a shonen. Shonen is also a genre in Japan, not simply a demographic. It denotes stories that "shonens" would like.
>Demographics don't mean shit about the content.
That doesn't even make sense, the target audience of a show is of that demographic especifically because of the content of it.
Note that it doesn't keep people from other age groups from reading it, just like adults can read shounen mangas, teens can read seinen (even if it's inapropriate or illegal), they're just out of the target audience.
>It denotes stories that "shonens" would like.
Yes, by shonens they mean people between 11 and 17 yo. So it's a demographic.
Taiga > Bazett = Rider = Leysritt > Ilya > Ayako > Rin > Luvia > Caren > Caster > Saber > Sakura > Sella
18 to 24 covers another shonen category, called the young men. A simple change of one kanji.
And no, it's not simply a demographic.
If a shonen story, something that shonens would like, was aimed at the seinen demographic, then what?
It's still a shonen story that is aimed at the seinen demographic. Or you gonna tell me Nasu is a lying sack of shit?
We already got Einzbern Consultation Room, they'll probably do a few Tiger Dojo scenes for the BD extras or something.
Saber > Illya > Rin > Caster > Taiga > Rider > Kim Jong Un > Shit > Sakura
Great, so it'll be an endless wait for the BDs then.
There are shonens who like Gantz and Berserk, but they're seinen. Shonen is a demographic. You probably think that shonen implies battle shonen, too.
>99.5% translated, script 74.4% validated, third partial patch out
So close yet so far
I think that Nasu said that because 2/3 of the routes are flat out shounens. HF however, is not a shounen at all. It actually brings back a little of the tsukihime atmosphere.
Nipples don't grow back.
Lancer has good taste.
Looking forward to this
Is fake Assassin even relevant in Fate? I can't remember.
He's not relevant in any route.
No. Kojiro a shit.
Hassan on the other hand...
Type-moon sure knows how to keep people interested for 10 years.Lets hope we get another VN based on the Fate universe and that Fate/Extra Anime!
>Nasu for best writer
>Taka for Timeless art
>Everyone at Type-moon who worked on It
>The Fanbase...Ugh..Well not The F/Zfags Their almost as worse as SAOfags
Lets hope Ufotable can hold up to the 10 year anniversary hype with that anime!
So, this is going to be Ilya route amirite?
And one thing that you're missing is that FSN has 3 different and mostly unrelated stories. While fate and UBW are clearly shounens, HF is not.
So it has 2 shonens stories and one seinen story, but they have to say that the whole game is a seinen because of HF.
I am getting this as a wallscroll :3
>Nasu for best writer
>Taka for Timeless art
They're so shit at what they do.
So new adaptation is going to be all original right?
>HF is not
Except it is. Just because it has a dark atmosphere doesn't mean it's not shounen. Even Ilya points out an shounen element in HF in one of the Tiger Dojos.
>Murders Shirou the most of the three
yes and? if the backstory is given her feelings are totally justified.
the fact that she can change and become one of the most caring characters is what makes her the best. and she changes out of her own will. because she realises what is important to her and the ones she loves.
Any scans of the new character designs from Ace yet?
I started with the VN a few week ago (I'm slow as fuck with this kind of thing) and just got to the sex scene in the Fate route.
I grinned through the whole thing.
I jerked off to it. More than once.
My brothers in good taste.
Someone post the archer picture
The new character designs aren't in the magazine.
I'm not sure what you want anon
Can't wait to see them.
That's the one. Thanks.
wait, the new Ace is out? Is there any news on the anime?
>child rape and self-multilation are not mature themes.
The third one makes saber appear to be a giant or shirou is small
Shit has it been a while
Happy birthday, Fate
If all goes well with ufotable's anime adaptation, I may never have to watch another anime again
>not valid where prohibited by law(everywhere)
B-but Ilya's 18.
We didn't know at the time.
You saved this image 7 years, 1 month and 13 days ago. Impressive.
Let's get some stories going!
When did you first get into Fate?
Shut up, I'm only 25.
>used to be a part of an anime forum(dead nowadays, thank fuck)
>they liked FSN a lot
>didn't understand why
>watched anime, hated it
>years later hear about the VN again and that it has been completely translated
>read it in one week, loved the fuck out of it
Not much of a story. Read Turkeyhandle half a year later.
I saw a densest MC thread and kept seeing Shirou, so I wanted to see why he was considered so dense(and I had just finished up Hoshimemo around that time so I was looking for something else to read)
As a fan of history I loved the used of heroes as servants in the holy grail war so I was hooked and loved the differing stories with each route
>read Arc's route
>never read any other Tsukihime route
I bet Arc's route was like Saber, boring and slow. I tried later to read the other routes, but I can't anymore, waiting remake in 20 years from now.
>only read Arcs route
Anon you're missing out on so much
Arc's route is the worst.
Ciel's route is a better version of Arcs.
Akiha's is good
Hisui's is 2krazy
Kohaku's is great.
How the hell did wolves manage to bite off his right foot ?
It's snow, dingus. That's how snow works.
>Was watching FSN Deen Animu( Dubbed) like 5 years back (Oh god help me i was young with shit taste back then)
>Was pretty Ok
>Fast forward 3 years after
>Saw VN and decided to dl and read it
>1 week later 10/10 VN
>Curse myself for ever liking DEEN FSN
>Moves on to read Tsukihime 10/10 was devistated at no Satsuki route
>Hooked on Type-moon ever since
Arc route a worst go finish Ciel's route and fucking read through Akiha's route faggot!
>Kohaku's is great.
You mean the best
His NP is God Hand, not God Foot.
oh man has it already been 10 years? i remember i was browsing /a/ and then i made a thread about this, great times. i was watching Air btw
>the wolves in the Einzbern forest have A-rank noble phantasm jaws
No wonder Kerry couldn't get through to see Ilya.
Dumpin' from earlier thread.
Good. Fuck that plagiarist hack. Go back to wanking forgettable lackluster dog shit like Suishit no Garbagia.
Poor taste faggots
>Was a young faggot
>Friend was into Melty, directed me into where the charas were based from
>Was already a VN/eroge fag, boot up Tsukihime
>Mind blown, world rocked
>DL Kagetsu Tohya and eat it like crack
>oh god len footjob so great
>dat story, dat wonderful inkling of an in-depth and complex universe
>Year later, /a/ sticky on Fate route release
>Do what needs to be done
>World rocked all over again
>Haven't looked back since, Type-Moon owns my soul
Except I never got into Melty Blood because I felt the characters were bastardized as fuck for the sake of mah fightan gaemz
>Arc's true end
Rin is the best
and this. huehuehue.
>thirteen or so, back in 2006
>find out about the anime through searching for Star Wars related stuff most likely, because sabers
>can't really find any subbed episodes, but I read up on it
>found fatestaynight.org and hung out there for a while
>won the first banner contest
>later on end up getting the DVD box set and watched it all finally
And that was the beginning. Unfortunately I have yet to read Tsukihime but I do have it on my toolbar, right next to the Fate icon, just waiting ...
Got the rider one?
tfw she was just a recycled design and was never intended to be an important character but still has fans somehow
That's all I got sadly, was just saving these on my phone while in class during the thread, hoping to find more later today.
Ayako is nice.
If you have an Android you can read it on your phone.
I did it just beacuse of that, every night before going to sleep or whenever I went to the bathroom.
Damn, I just recently switched from Android to iOS. I'll probably read it sometime soon though, I've been wanting to for a while. At least it's ready for me.
Found it in the Archives
>If you have an Android you can read it on your phone.
2007, When I saw a Melty Blood doujin of Len or Akiha I don't remember. I decided to check out Melty Blood and found out I had to read a visual novel.
Watched the Fate/Stay Night anime when it was airing. (Fell in love with Saber.)
I found out about about Kara no Kyoukai and was overwhelmed by the visuals.
Saber is best Fate. Maids, Akiha and Sacchin are best Tsukihime. Fujino is best KnK.
ONScripter, google it.
Tohsaka one I have
They never add more stuff to the franchise because Nasu is lazy, while Naruto gets tons of contents because the people that make it enjoy receiving money.
Proof found and given.
Exploding outta the seams
>No jackhammer references.
Why does this even exist?
Shiro[u] is My Hero.
I Saw Jackhammer
Aight let me set you all straight.
Tohsaka is best girl all around, she's a non generic tsundere, she's witty, brilliant, playful, talented etc etc.
Saber is best for Shirou because they find meaning with each other in their journey of being hero's
Sakura's smile is the one worth most protecting.
so you're a little bitch who can't make up his mind.
>Boys for adults
So it's shota?
After getting more used to sex, do you think Shirou is a solid lay?
She's so smug.
Tohsaka is the best because she sleeps around with other men.
But the person who made that is a Sakura fan and writes everything as being in the Heaven's Feel universe.
That's just Tohsaka being a bit sluttier than she should be.
It's Hollow Ataraxia universe, dummy. The happiest end.
Why are Tohsakas sluts?
Oh, you poor child.
She's not family.
Why did they have to change THIS design? Really?
She was not saber-ish enough.
Next you'll say Seibah isn't family either.
Air Intakes are so 2000's. Old and busted.
Ahoges are the new hotness.
Of course she is, she's Shirou's girlfriend.
She tries to fuck Diarmuid and even Gilgamesh in parallel dimensions. Unless you want Saber to bring her foreigner boytoys to the reunions, she ain't family.
She is Iri's mistress. Archer is Kerry's.
Is there any problem with Saber bringing Deermutt and Gil to the party?
Check the translation page for F/HA
Why not both?
Sakura and Shirou are the most compatible as they're two broken people that can become whole when they're together.
Saber and Shirou according to Urobuchi are something similar to two war-buddies in some odd way, but he means it in a way that elicits closeness on the battlefield.
I disagree. I think she is rather what's breaks him because he not only throws away his ideals and dreams for her, but he's also ready to sacrifice others.
Shirou's ideals are probably impossible to ever achieve, but that shouldn't stop him from doing his very best and at least get as close as he can. He has ideals worth fighting for.
Jesus fucking christ.
Shirou broke 10 years ago.
>Dengeki PlayStation reports that a Vita port is in the works with full voice acting.
Is it heppening?
So then there was a good chance the character redesign shit from that "source" was fake?
He was already broken, and his ideals while not inherently wrong were another form of his sickness. In order to be reborn and once more be reborn as a normal human he first had to be broken down entirely on all fronts. Down to his ideas and his body itself, he had to break. Besides; you should be able to know that wasn't the authors intent there that she robbed him of his ideals. And despite his ideas breaking he picked the path there that Shirou should pick if he wanted to save anyone.
After all the moment that broke his ideals didn't have shit to do with Shadow, rather it was just a choice that came down to killing someone who was like a sister to him because she was going to participate in the grail war, someone might be hurt because she has a curse placed on her to fight seriously, so it's just easier to kill her before she potentially hurts someone which she might potentially do.
How the hell does that sound like the Shirou you desire here? That he must kill everyone who might eventually cause problems in the future no matter how long he's known them? If you stop to really look at it then you realize he made the right choice for his ideals there, even if it cost him his ideals in the same moment. That's why Kotomine quipped about how Shirou kept trying to have it both ways.
Looks like it, but who knows?
What would they even change about everyone?
All I want is a wacky sitcom. Is that too much to ask?
That article appears to just be about the Vita OPs, not the new anime, and those didn't have any redesigned outfits.
People seamed to think they were going to try to make Sabers casual more in line with the suit from zero.
Go read F/HA when its Fully Translated then anon.
>Oh look a cell phone
Still fucking kills me
But what about everyone else?
I can't possibly imagine what they would change about Rin or Taiga.
Nasu updated his blog.
Pretty much killed the idea that ufo Sn will be Zero2.
The two works are different and the stuff was instructed to treat them as different works.
Instead of a sequel to Zero, it will be a new stay night.
You can read the vast majority of it now.
That's actually really good.
Is there any more?
That's the thing, Anon. I don't like HF Shirou at all and I think that route is what breaks him no matter what he does at that point.
The ideal Shirou wants to succeed with is to save everyone without having to make sacrifices (except for personal ones). He doesn't want to be Kiritsugu who will kill the minority to save the majority, but instead, he wants to save them all. He wants everyone to be happy. He wants to be a superhero.
Its not much but what what anon says
I have a few others in the same vein saved.
In every route people tell him his ideals are impossible to uphold. I liked the fact that in HF Shirou doesn't get to have his cake and eat it. He is put in a situation where he has to make a choice.
Anon you should take in account Mind of Steel End is Best End In HF, Next to HF Normal
I'll ignore the fact that Saber recognized Shirou as the the son of Kiritsugu right off the bat.
They are pretty much impossible to uphold, that's why they are ideals. However, even if those ideals are impossible, they motivate us to seek new paths that might not be visible at first. With a great deal of luck and much dedication, they might even become real one day.
Why is Kayneth so stupid?
Can somebody post some pictures of Archer about to be hanged? I can't find the one I used to really like.
MoS isn't even that good as a bad end.
In MoS Shirou becomes a killing machine that murders the people he loves (Sakura, Ilya, Rin) just like Kiritsugu did. Shirou's ideal was to save everyone, so no matter which choice he makes, Shirou has to abandon his ideals. That was the point of HF.
At least he won the Grail War by Himself and no Servant...somehow...Thats pretty badass compared to others...Exception being Sparks Liner High
All you have is Kotomine telling Shirou that he will win with his mindset. You should take it with a large grain of salt. No mention is made of Gilgamesh, who Shirou has no way of defeating.
Yeah, I doubt that very much. Kotomine is not exactly the most trustworthy guy around and Shirou's got fuck all in terms of resources in MoS.
He's not. It's just that Kerry is modern and very practical minded compared to most magi. See >>101231056
How much easier is a fax machine or a cell phone compared to that weird polygraph/phonograph thing Tokiomi has?
And a point I dislike. Heck, it should even motivate him further to strive towards achieving his ideals since he would want to stop that from happening again. Just giving up because you weren't strong enough that time is a wierd thing to do for such a motivated and stubborn character like Shirou
You really think someone would do that?
Go to a Holy Grail War and tell lies?
Don't Underestimate Kotomine's Predictions, I Bet he killed Rin and stole Archer or Kotomine Gave Gilgamesh to him or Some shit with Sakura making Rider become his servant to protect him after she died since we already know Sakura ordered Rider to protect him.
What the fuck is up with that random capitalization? Learn to type, you shitty namefag. Also, stop wanking over MoS. It's embarrassing.
>were another form of his sickness
Stopped reading right there.
His ideals saved him from the brink of death which he'd already accepted.
Protecting Sakura while trying to prevent other deaths is the closest he can come to his ideals and it's what he does? What would you suggest?
and in HF he picks the route that potentially might save everyone, even if it's a small failure in the end. He tries to save Sakura, he tries to save the people that might die, he tries to save them all, but the difference now is the priority. Before he could not put priority on life, but the second he has to sacrifice one to save another his ideals are broken. HF is just the practical application of his ideals route, because no matter what he'll eventually come to a choice like this down the road that's going to force him to sacrifice something in the end, and in that moment his ideals will die.
Why would Kotomine give Gil to Shirou or help him in any other way? Shirou in MoS becomes what Kotomine hates the most, someone who had ordinary human happiness (the thing Kotomine has sought all his life without ever attaining it) and who cast it aside.
Isn't Gil dead by this point.
Gil dies on day 12. Shirou has to choose whether to kill Sakura in the church on day 9.
No, he was definitely an idiot.
He took his girlfriend with him when his Servant was a famous charmer of woman, and he couldn't think outside the box when it came to combat or defence.
>Retarded namefag who can't type properly talking about how epic MoS is
Standard fare really
Who bloody knows what goes through the mind of Kirei he probly did it so he would fight him and get the grail like in Fate or some shit like that.
Now go back and read the rest; his ideals aren't ultimately wrong but there is a sharp contradiction his ideals hold that will fuck him over in the long term. Rin doesn't have a hard time seeing it after spending just a bit of time with him, and as long as he holds his contradiction he will undoubtedly break. The methods he uses and his ideals towards saving people are an obvious form of the sickness, but saving people in itself is not wrong nor sick. It's just that the way he latched onto it like a newborn chick upon seeing Kiritsugu in the fire as it was all he had will eventually warp him.
I like Shirou's Ideals and thus HF doesn't appeal to me as much as the previous routes.
It's not an Ideal because it's something you strive for and one day accomplish. It's an Ideal because it's something that can't be done, but should be.
Every action should be taken to that standard, where everyone can be happy. Doing anything less is a mistake. Failure's aren't okay, but they do happen but at the least they aren't mistakes.
You don't choose to try and save everyone because you think one day it will cause world peace, you try to save everyone because that's the happiest possible ending to a situation and it should be something worth striving for.
Oh, I should get around to rereading it then. I'm starting to forget what order the events happen in. I thought the MoS choice was just before he went to confront Dark Sakura
Yes, just ignore all the characterization Kotomine is given in HF and Fate/Zero and go with the one-dimensional villain seeking to kill everyone interpretation.
To keep doing his very best in following his ideals and to not abandon it.
How? He can kill Sakura (betraying his ideals) or let her live and potentially let her kill others even if he does his best to prevent it (which still betrays his ideals). How do you propose he goes about upholding them?
Ummm...Wasn't he always like that...Besides a hero needs a villian.
And errr...all I remember about kotomine prior to Day 9/10 was that he was known to be in the previous grail war and healed Shirou a few times...Kirei's majour Characterization was when he went alongside Shirou to save Illya and got caught by Shadow leading to the final Fight if i'm not mistaken...
I just prefer UBW Shirou over the rest because he's become an Übermensch by the end of it. The rest of the world is irrelevant to him, he just wants to save people and he's going to damn well do it.
Archer formed in UBW confirmed!?
You're blatantly mistaken. Most of Kotomine's characterization in HF comes from discussions with Shirou and interludes that happen well before or during those couple days.
Do you somehow think that Kotomine's characterization only applies after it has been explained to the audience?
In any case, Kotomine likes normal Shirou because he's a broken human being that can only attain happiness through others, just like himself.
Where the fuck did this namefag come from and why is he so cancerous
Nasu says that Extra Archer's backstory which he wrote is the same as FSN Archer in every way, and he denies being with Rin or Sakura in that one at least.
Although if you bring up him being with Rin his answers tend to be clumsy at best
You're an idiot. The whole point of UBW was so that Shirou would learn about the flaws in his ideals, so that he WOULDN'T end up like Archer, you stupid motherfucker.
By, once again, not abandoning his ideals. I explained earlier that HF puts him in a situation where he has to betray his ideals. This time he can't save everyone by only having those two choices. Of course, it'd be great if he could find a third choice, but he is unable to at the time.
He has to betray them, but as I said here:
He shouldn't give up on his ideals just because he wasn't strong enough to find that third choice that time. Rather, he should be even more motivated to never get cornered like that again. He should in this route, more than any of the others, work the hardest towards becoming the superhero he dreams about being.
I'm still not convinced that Archer isn't from Fate, pre-RN at least.
Bull most of the interludes were about Zouken, Shinjew and Sakura's Suffering through days 1~10.
I know that you faggots...however I never got that Option during my playthrough with Archer...
I love Aksys's localizations. They're half the reason Zero Escape is so much fucking fun.
Geh add This too
Allowing the woman he loves to die basically kills Shirou inside. That is why it's a bad end and that is why he can't continue on being an optimistic, idealistic fool. He just doesn't have the strength for it in MoS.
I seriously don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That picture is about Archer, as in the timeline where Ilya apparently dies and Shirou sacrifices himself, which is not derived from UBW because UBW Shirou learns from his future self.
And stop writing... like this... you... mouthbreather...
UBW Shirou and Archer are the most alike. Or, I should say they are the most alike when Archer stops being a jackass and applies himself.
At the end of UBW, both are referring to the other as "myself" despite still hating each others guts.
It's cute how tsundere they can be.
And some of them are about Kotomine too. They are where the bulk of his characterization in the entire VN comes from, along with those talks with Shirou. The only meaningful scenes that happen post-day 10 are the one with his waifu and the very last confrontation with Shirou in the cave. Fuck off and actually read the route before trying to discuss it like you have any idea what you're talking about.
Um, you have mentioned MoS a lot lately even though I haven't mentioned it at all. Are you mistaking me for the other person who responded to you that MoS was the best end?
That's the first time I've responded to you. Did I misinterpret what you were talking about? If so, then I'm sorry.
I know that you spoilerfag and i made a mistake damnit why are you so ironic, I read the same visual novel too you know
Its been a few months, maybe i should.
Fate Shirou - Saber
UBW Shirou - Archer
HF Shirou - Kotomine
If you can think of a better comparisson then say it, but it's already confirmed that HF Shirou picked the same path as Kotomine. >>101229488
>all that text
No, seriously, get some fucking writing lessons. Use punctuation. Please.
>HF Shirou - Kotomine
What? Sure they're alike, but how do you equate their choices?
Kotomine's wife died in his arms and all Kotomine lamented that he didn't kill her himself. That doesn't exactly fit with HF.
You're the most annoying retard I've seen in a type-moon thread in a while and that's quite an accomplishment. If you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and type like a middle-schooler with a learning disability using a name is a shit idea.
I'm not even sure myself anymore. I miss IDs. Well, I should go to bed anyway. Sleep well, stranger
(and may these new captchas go die somewhere)
That's like saying a black person chose to be born black. Kirei and Shirou are just broken. It's not by choice. Kirei even talks about how agonizing it is to be so broken when his father named him for good things and how he acknowledges something is so fundamentally wrong with him, and how he tried to change it.
After getting into visual novels through KS people said Fate/Stay Night was good. About a year later I started and finished it and it became one of my favorite VNs. Shortly after I watched Fate/Zero.
/a/ told me about it and they said the MC had the power to create swords, which may not be planet buster tier but sounds cool as fuck, so I went into it.
Man you guys are mad over some troll? Have you TMfags finally sunk so low?
>getting into it
>not having been here for when it all began
DID MESSAGE EVER FINISH THAT INSTALLER
/a/ gives the best plot summaries.
Kotomine mentions himself that they were the same, they're two people who once tried to have it both ways even if it was impossible. Two broken people who believed themselves to be sinners and did everything in their power to try freeing themselves from that chain, even if they both knew it was impossible from the start.
No other Shirou tried to have it both ways like that, and Kotomine did do much the same until his wife killed herself and he silently broke away from god after realizing even that couldn't effect him in the way he wished.
I'm pretty sure that image is from /tg/.
Watched the F/SN anime when it came out in 06. Read the VN routes as they got translated and released by Mirror Moon.
This anon gets it.
I'm out need some sleep.
I see what you mean. I misinterpreted what you said as they chose to be broken.
Filthy lies, fa/tg/uys never create anything worthwhile.
>Two broken people who believed themselves to be sinners and did everything in their power to try freeing themselves from that chain
I see where you're going with this, but Shirou didn't consider it a burden or a chain, it was just driving him forward.
Isn't that a bit more like a jab at himself though? He didn't cry because he loved his wife, he cried because he wanted to kill her himself and he was denied that pleasure. What hit him hard was the realization that he wanted to kill his wife.
Paraphrasing from this, but that is Shirou talking
Huh, I'm liking HF Shirou less and less. Now he's seemingly angsting.
HF Shirou is the only one who realizes he was tsundere for Kotomine.
one of the reasons i didn't like HF quite as much as UBW and even Fate.
It's not angsting so much as an explanation of what his motivations are in the other two routes.
That's something he felt in every route; his method of salvation was always something that bound him to the voices of those killed in the fire as they judged him at all moments denying him happiness and telling him "You don't deserve to live" unless he worked his hardest to make that life into something.
Really this isn't hard to get, there's an entire scene in UBW about how he can't have fun because he has no right to do such a thing. This is just a chain to him at times, but it's one he accepts for atonement.
Or in the others he just doesn't like the man. Kidnapping Ilya and nearly killing Rin is certainly cause enough.
who /zeechan/ here?
>but that shouldn't stop him from doing his very best and at least get as close as he can
That is EXACTLY what he does in HF. Holy shit. What in the bloody hell is it with people managing to miss this? What is so goddamn hard to understand? He doesn't sit down and let the city be overrun, he still goes out to fight whatever causing it while ALSO trying to save Sakura.
That's the whole damn problem: he knows it's not possible. The mere act of picking any of the possible choices is an admission that he simply can't succeed at all of them, and he has to accept that. That is the only possible conclusion for him: he's going to fail. Just like Archer, he's going to be stuck in lose-lose situations and fail to achieve a perfect result and hate himself for it. The only doubt ever was to WHAT DEGREE he'd fail. Having to make a choice was an admission that his ideal was impossible, even if he still tried to protect everyone at once, because he knew he wouldn't make it.
That's the only possible conclusion to pursuing an impossible goal: failure, and how he deals with the fallout. Kiritsugu wrapped his ideal into a mess of pragmatism that rendered the whole thing self-defeating, Archer sold his soul for a miracle, and Shirou kept pushing by deciding what he was going to prioritize and cracking away at the edges from having to deal with the failure.
The ideal is pretty, but at lot of this whining in so many of these threads sounds to me like people didn't get that from the very beginning the end was never going to be pretty. Shirou flat out states in UBW that he knows where this is going: the skewered corpse in the hill of swords. UBW's own incantation states it clearly: it's not gonna work. That's the point of HF: something like this is inevitably going to happen sooner or later and Shirou will have to deal with it.
It's not about atonement, he's accepted the people who died back then, Archer dismisses that easily enough as a cause for their nature.
I always felt that HF was the route where Shirou has the cake and eats it.
I mean, he was supposed to be judged by his crimes and he still lives despite having sacrificed people to go on.
HF True disgusted me and I'd rather Shirou had stayed dead.
Both ideas are present; Archer's reason is valid, but we do literally see him haunted by the ghosts of the past at times asking "Are you going to betray?". The truth is he just wanted to seek happiness like he saw on Kiritsugu that day, but we have scenes proving he's still binding himself with the past in ways that are self-harming.
There's a scene in HF where he's being told by the ghosts to kill his girlfriend in his sleep as he silently mutters to himself while crying because he doesn't want to do it.
Tsukihime rework better has a Satsuki route though
What has he done that he needs to be judged for?
Accepted to let people die for his selfish desires.
I mean actual actions.
The fire from 10 years ago, he believes it was his fault until learning it was Kerry's, he then proceeds to take responsibility for his father and bear the guilt of the fire. Basic superhero Kerry bullshit.
Exactly what the fuck are you talking about and what crimes are you saying he committed?
>Accepted to let people die for his selfish desires.
Are you one of those idiots that has such a bad memory of the route that you think Shirou knew the Shadow was Sakaura when he made the decision to help her?
It isn't about Shirou being chained down, it's about him remembering what he can. He's forgotten most of them already, he's always been moving forward.
Being a superhero was what he needed to accept that, throwing it aside breaks his character and completely wipes away the Shirou I found to be the best character in the whole story.
You can either let him die for her sins and let him atone, or he'll die and be born anew due to the sacrifice of another one wanted him to live here. He may still have to atone each day for what he has done, but he stated clearly "It' not about whether I can't forgive myself, rather I already can't forgive me for letting someone so close suffer for so long". He knows he can't be forgiven for what he has done, but this is still his path. Also for anyone who's read Ruroni Kenshin you should know by now that death is not atonement, but living and working for something better can be. Death is just a quick way out for those who can't even face their sins.
All that good men need to do for evil to succeed, is do nothing.
No, he even calls the arm his red penalty since it was going to judge him.
You DO realize that him feeling responsible is just Shirou's insane sense self-imposed responsibility talking, right? There's multiple scenes with multiple characters stressing how much he's the only guy alive who would blame himself for that shit. Nobody but Shirou himself would be enough of a wackjob to think he's actually to blame for that.
>I always felt that HF was the route where Shirou has the cake and eats it.
The end is surprisingly fine given the circumstances.
But underneath that Shirou is crippled and everyone are scarred.
Technically, the end of HF is the one with the worst conditions. It just so happens that the people have kind of learned to appreciate what they have more, because of how dire things were just prior.
Living on the expense of another isn't atoning, either.
Then we're all criminals for not doing anything to stop people in third world countries from dying because of the shit conditions they live in. Why haven't you killed yourself to atone yet, anon?
>No, he even calls the arm his red penalty since it was going to judge him.
You're not making any fucking sense. Answer the damn questions.
>You can either let him die for her sins and let him atone
WHAT sins? What sins are you talking about? The only person who judges Shirou responsible is Shirou. Did you people get so lost in his rhetoric that you forgot the extremely important fact that he's not sane and his sense of duty is absurd?
Denying yourself any happiness in life because you don't deserve such a thing in the first place isn't remembering what he can, nor is it just his way of moving forward. His ideals in truth aren't as beautiful as you choose to see them at times. He seeks something grand in life and will aim towards it with everything he has, but before any revelations or meaning he has made it into a chain for himself that will deny any sense of self he has and tells him that fun isn't something he deserves.
Do you have the power to change the third world? No? Well shit, can't help it much then.
Could you help prevent a death near you? You don't do shit about it? Get kindly fucked.
Oh how I miss that. I really liked when he talked about how anyone could die, but living and atoning for the sins one have commited is way harder.
It was not his choice to let her sacrifice, but to throw away the life she gave him would be an abomination of sorts.
Well he did see his entire neighborhood burning the fuck down and possibly half dead or about to die people begging him to save them, however he was the only one saved thus making that mental suggestion that he was to blame as the only one who survived and the others did not.
>Really this isn't hard to get, there's an entire scene in UBW about how he can't have fun because he has no right to do such a thing.
Shirou deliberately ignores, misses, and disregards any kind of romance and love related to himself, as he should have no part of such things.
And people still call him dense, when he has proven to be quite adept at reading people and situations otherwise.
Yeah, he did know she was the cause.
Student Zero is the best Student.
Unless you're living like a hermit the whole "you can't help the third world" thing is bullshit.
He's dead, Jim.
Do you live in a first world country? Are you not homeless? Then you probably have enough resources to save at least one person in a third world country at least one time. If you're not doing anything, then by your own standards you deserve punishment.
Twist it around a bit, the reason he feels guilty might be a bit different here.
He was the only one in his family who saw it in time, he just chose to run as soon as he saw that thing, he left them behind, and as a result look what happened to them and everyone else. Probably not his fault, but it's a reasonable thing to blame oneself for in a way.
I live on a hairline budget, without heating because studying costs a fuck ton. Think I'm good.
>but before any revelations or meaning he has made it into a chain for himself
Just... reread the fucking route.
It's not a chain, it's his whole self. He states it very, VERY clearly. He's not denying himself stuff, his mind flat out doesn't work like a normal person's. Whoever he was before the fire isn't wracked with guilt, whoever is was is DEAD. Not there anymore. His mind fizzled out and left a blank behind. That's not a sane human being anymore.
Emiya Shirou was born in the fire, which as fucking unsubtle as you can get considering his inner world is a goddamn forge. His personality is based first and foremost on the ideal he got from Kiritsugu. It's not a thing he has on top of his personality, his personality is built on top of THAT. This is why he can endure ridiculous shit without flinching, the chunks of a human mind that would normally scream at him to let go just don't work the same anymore. They make the point of showing you that Shirou doesn't swallow his fear to jump out in others' help, his self preservation instinct flat-out shuts off in those situations. His mind as a whole doesn't work like everyone else's.
But all that matters is saving lives, right? You could probably still sacrifice a lot of what you've got without killing yourself and save at least a few much less fortunate people in the process. But you're not, because you value studying and living as comfortably as possible more than them. I guess that makes you a monstrous criminal, huh?
He hasn't denied his self and the reason he's not having "fun" is because he's applying himself his every free moment.
Even if he lives out his whole life as he has, he won't regret it nor will he accept anyone telling otherwise.
And they are beautiful. It's not about something grand to achieve in his life, but helping other because that beauty makes it worth the effort.
>Yeah, he did know she was the cause.
Aha, so can you please explain the whole mind-wrecking mess DAYS LATER when he finds out she's the Shadow and has the choice to kill her in her room?
Having screenshots means nothing if you miss what's in them. If you think Shirou's sense of responsibility is normal or a fair standard of judgment, you're fucking insane, or so dumb that you got through an entire route explaining how his rational thought is ridiculous and that he blames himself for shit no sane human being would blame him for.
Your own words contain the fact that the blame he assigns himself is ridiculous. Why in the fucking hell would you complain or say he needs to pay for it?
I get his other self is dead, even if he still has those memories he has become a new person entirely. It was stated enough times that even if his body was saved his soul or mind had died in that fire, and he was reborn by being saved at the last possible second. However you can't deny that it literally says the way of life was a self imposed chain and that he denies himself happiness in the game itself. Actually read the caps here, because they really aren't out of context or anything.
I can give you caps that say that he last lost his self in that fire, but that doesn't deny previous caps posted in this thread.
>All that good men need to do for evil to succeed, is do nothing.
And he did all he could with what he knew. What the shit are you saying? Killing Sakura when he finds out she's the Shadow is the wrong choice: he dies and presumably the world follows once Sakura loses her mind completely and nothing is there to stop Angra Manyu from being born.
What's your point?
It is because he believes that he is responsible. Are you that dense anon
You HF-fags are rather heated today, the 10th year anniversary is over guys. Its the 31st in Japan already, We still have a whole year of hype ahead of us
There's the factor that I don't even know if any money I spend those third world countries will even help anyone. From the reliability of whatever "service" I choose for this, to whether or not the people actually need more money or whether they just need to do something about it.
I've given money to disaster reliefs, because those make sense. Giving money to poor third world countries, where none of the money will even go to the people in need or will be spent in the continuation of another foolish strife isn't going to help.
That IS from that scene you dense fuck.
Trying to judge his actions on the standard that doing nothing saved the world when people in his hometown were dying is a little skewed, isn't it?
If you're implying he wasn't scared in the other routes, I can dig some caps.
Sure he hasn't been afraid of anything since the fire, but he's been living a civilian life. What do you expect?
>Actually read the caps here, because they really aren't out of context or anything.
You're an idiot. Yes, they're out of context. That's a screencap from Fate. In case you somehow managed to miss the tiny little fact: he doesn't really understand himself in Fate.
In UBW, there is a line stating in absolutely clear words that guilt had nothing to do with it.
>However you can't deny that it literally says the way of life was a self imposed chain
Yes I can. Because not only does nothing ever say that, the route wholly dedicated to psychoanalyzing him says the exact fucking opposite: there's nothing self-imposed about it, that IS him. There is no Shirou beyond that.
You keep talking about him losing stuff in the fire yet you somehow completely manage to understand what any of that meant. There wasn't any person left to impose anything on himself, his whole self sprung from his admiration when he saw Kiritsugu. That's what his entire self is built around. His mind isn't shackled by this, it is built OF it. Without the ideal, there is no Shirou.
That's the entire goddamn point you're missing. There's nothing aside from that. It's not a facet of his personality, it is the building block on which everything else is built. There's just nobody there without it.
It wouldn't be that difficult to research charities and other aid organizations to determine whether they'll use any money you give them in a meaningful way. If you really wanted to, if you cared that much about helping as many people as possible no matter the cost, then you'd have done it. But again, you haven't. You've accepted that it's entirely possible that a death might happen tomorrow that you could have prevented. You don't know it for sure, true, but you've accepted it nonetheless. How exactly are you any less culpable than Shirou, from your point of view?
You can't judge all the routes on a linear standard, like you go from Fate to UBW to HF.
They're all different people due to the circumstances. Fate Shirou is an Idealist, UBW Shirou is a Realist, HF Shirou is a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" cynic.
can someone rar us with a complete collection of all pics/gifs?
What the FUCK are you talking about?
>Gives up his ideal
Ok, it's clear you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
I like all three routes. Mainly because I understand the natural progression. And much of the beauty in UBW comes from the fact that it is made clear a situation like HF's is inevitable. It seems you have no fucking clue what the game is saying or what the routes are about.
If you have some genuine desire to actually understand the point, see >>101235532. If not, just fuck off.
Because research isn't trustworthy. Because those people won't have been saved, because those people might go on to cause others to die.
I accept that I can't help everyone.
>that doing nothing saved the world when people in his hometown were dying is a little skewe
You've never read the VN, haven't you? You think he dusted his hands and went to make pancakes after deciding not to kill her or something?
>a situation like HF's is inevitable
HF is a one of a kind situation with all the circumstances stacked against Shirou with none of the other routes factors being there to reinforce him.
The 5th war is the tempering of the blade that is Emiya Shirou. Too low a heat and he's only half-done, too high and he cracks.
>They're all different people due to the circumstances. Fate Shirou is an Idealist, UBW Shirou is a Realist, HF Shirou is a "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" cynic.
You're an illiterate dumbass. All of them are "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst". Even in Fate he has the monologue about the bank robbers and how he'd like to save the robber as well but knows it's not likely. The only difference is the degree to which they're forced to face the truth, and the responses are all consistent.
Then you're a hypocrite for condemning HF Shirou. You value yourself and your comfort over the lives of strangers you've never met, just like he values Sakura over people he's never met.
Holy shit, you're a moron. Or five years old.
>HF is a one of a kind situation with all the circumstances stacked against Shirou
Are you fucking retarded? His wish is to save everyone in any conflict he runs into. Are you seriously fucking stupid or naive enough to think that situations where there's no perfect solution are RARE? Were you homeschooled or something?
There is no conceivable way he's going to go through life trying to get a perfect result and never fail. Archer spent a lifetime going through that.
Holy SHIT this is dumb.
So what the fuck are you condemning a guy who is doing everything in his power to save everyone for?
Yes. What the heck is wrong with you? You're saying he will never encounter another problem where he has to chose? Are you saying Kiritsugu became a self-torturing pragmatist for shits and giggles?
I value the certainty of my actions, not the thought of the actions.
I could give up all my earthly possessions and donate it all to some backwater village in a third world country.
Would that save any of them? Would I even know without living there myself and confirming it?
It's what the internet does
There will never be a situation where he has to choose between a person he cares for being the cause for hundreds of people possibly being devoured where he has no options at his disposal like in HF.
>Being this much of a dense HF-fag
Ahaha, wow and yes I have read that post anon it had nothing to do with anything that pic was trying to show. Those red lines show what HF-fags do with the rest of the entire VN, you by yourself are reworking yourself to think HF and a few tidbits from each route make an entire story, but in reality the entirety of all 3 routes make and says a complete story anon, Fate is the answer Saber was seeking and gave Shirou a question fot his Ideals, UBW is the answer Shirou was seeking for his ideals and where it would lead him, HF however puts Shirou's ideals to the test where he has to discard his ideals for one girl or keep his ideals and become Kerry ver.2, and may I add that HF,Fate and UBW are only 3 of the millions of possibilities there is and those 3 alone tell most of the story leaving a few out of place elements. Heck whenever Nasu decides to finally write up that Illya Route we may be able to see a complete story.
You're just straight up bullshitting now. Any pretense that you had an argument or moral ground on which to judge Shirou is far gone.
If you value certainty, then you should be applauding Shirou's choice. He didn't know for sure that killing Sakura would save anyone, but he knew for sure that not killing her would at least save her.
One of the all-time great stories ever told. For any medium.
It was one of the great pleasures in my life, having read it.
Better yet, he leaves her alone so she can get possessed to go back to the mansion for her weekly Shinji rape.
No faggot, HF is a perfect storm of bad shit happening. Did it go over your head that Angra Manyu DIDN'T try to be born into the world as an enormous bat like demon in any of the other routes? EVERYTHING that could go wrong, went wrong in HF. It wasn't just an issue of Shirou being naive. He was naive in the other routes too. Why no advent of doom?
She went back to the mansion to try to kill Zouken or at least die trying as it would solve their problems either way, but then didn't expect to run into Shinji for some reason and he wound up dead. It was a rare moment of clarity for her where she tried to go out on the best terms she could, but Rin certainly chastised her when she got back for not having more faith in them.
Not true, Zouken lays it out pretty clearly.
>Thread is still alive
I'll do a small dump of a character you guys want me to do.
>There will never be a situation where he has to choose between a person he cares for being the cause for hundreds of people possibly being devoured where he has no options at his disposal like in HF.
Stop reading anything more complex than a Goosebumps book, you're not smart enough to figure out even simple characterization.
A situation where he can't save everyone involved and has to pick is enough. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the character at all, so it's pointless to listen to you.
Your sentences are so damn run-on it's hard to tell if you even have any point. Regardless, it's obvious you have no idea what you're discussing.
>keep his ideals and become Kerry ver.2
Case in point. If you think becoming Kiritsugu means fulfilling his ideal, you missed the point so badly that there's no hope for you. The exact opposite choice is the one that's more in line with his actual desire, which is to save everyone, except he knows before picking it that he'll fail.
heh now where is lolancer
The amount of missing the point is astounding. Really, you think it's rare for a guy who purposely goes to search for troubles to fix to run into situations where he can't win them all?
All it takes is a problem where he can't save everyone involved at once for any reason. I can't believe you missed the point of his character (and Kiritsugu's) so hard that this flew over you.
It's not the killing that breaks him you retard, he knows that everyone can't be saved, that's like the first thing that's hammered in.
It's about the "villain" being the person who is also a "victim" that causes trouble. Even then he can accept it, like Archer has.
Come to think of it, what is that blade he's strapped to his left arm in his Origin Form.
We're talking about certainty here. If that guy doesn't trust charities to use his money correctly, then I don't see why he should expect Shirou to trust fucking Zouken, of all people. And even if he did, there was still a chance that further deaths could be prevented without killing Sakura. The only death that Shirou could be 100% he could prevent in that situation was Sakura's.
Case in point, those two choices were either Mind of Steel (Kerry ver2 Bad End) and to discard everything to keep continuing. That was the sole reason Illya met him at the park anon. You fell for the bait you dense motherfucker..
>All it takes is a problem where he can't save everyone involved at once for any reason
No, it isn't. Or Archer would have given up a long time ago.
He even talks about it in Extra.
The armband blade under the chain, although yes that is Enkidu.
>It wasn't just an issue of Shirou being naive. He was naive in the other routes too.
Shirou was never naive. In every route he is aware of the impossibility of his ideal.
>Did it go over your head that Angra Manyu DIDN'T try to be born into the world as an enormous bat like demon in any of the other routes? EVERYTHING that could go wrong, went wrong in HF.
Who cares? None of that is relevant to this. All it takes is for Shirou to run into a situation where "save everyone" isn't feasible. You seriously think he's never going to come across that? Ever? Seriously? So you think all the repeated points at which the impossibility of his ideal is mentioned even in UBW was everyone being a bummer for no reason?
That's some serious stupid.
But he's already seen the proof for himself, with Sakura needing more and more prana, with her breakdown at school.
He hasn't seen proof of Sakura killing anyone.
>All it takes is for Shirou to run into a situation where "save everyone" isn't feasible
For the third time, not true.
The whole Plank of Carnaedes thing HAS happened and Archer moved on.
Wow. A whole route about the ideal "save everyone", and you manage to walk away from that with "he's totally fine with saving some and killing others."
>Or Archer would have given up a long time ago.
Who said HF Shirou gave up? Gave up what? He still tried to hunt down the Shadow. He failed. Just like Archer. Archer knows he failed.
He states it himself if you pick the right option; there's nothing to say she actually will hurt anyone and they're being too hasty. Which is why he took to watching out for her in order to make sure no one got hurt. All she has to do is intend to fight in the war seriously in order to deny the worm, but it turns out the real thing that was keeping her sick all that time was the fact that she was a grail and humans typically aren't compatible with Heroic Spirit souls that are worth hundreds of thousands of normal souls.
Until she kills someone she can't be condemned there, even if Shirou realizes that no one being hurt is a dream among dreams in a way.
well what else is he gonna say?
It's a choice of either "Kill the girl he's spent ten years with and is almost as close to him as Fuji-nee over literally something she hasn't done yet" or insist "Well she hasn't done it yet, so I'll just make sure she doesn't do it".
>The whole Plank of Carnaedes thing HAS happened and Archer moved on.
It strikes me just now that the lot of you seem to be operating under the moronic assumption that Shirou never does anything again after HF. Based on, apparently, nothing at all. And contradicting the mentions in the ending about how he's still working on his stuff and will recover his abilities with time. Or that Archer is totally fine with his inability to save everyone and that it never bothered him at all. You somehow assume HF is the end of him? If that's what this is all based on, then I've wasted a lot of time arguing with idiots.
Because Shirou is does accept that some people die even if he wants to save everyone.
>Because Shirou is does accept that some people die even if he wants to save everyone.
Exactly like Archer. Your point?
That only happens if you pick the wrong choice.
Ten years? He's known her personally for about a year and a half.
>I've wasted a lot of time
Silly anon, how do you waste time when you're having fun?
>then I've wasted a lot of time arguing with idiots
That's probably true regardless. I know it is for me.
I think it was since Middle School at least
After all he's known Shinji for awhile at least
That is the right choice.
I have no idea what you're trying to argue here, UBW Shirou is Archer minus the CG PTSD, yes.
They were in the archery club together before Sakura started coming to help out at Shirou's house. They weren't as close and it obviously wasn't for ten years, but they knew each other decently before then. And Sakura has the high bar thing (along with half of Fuyuki, apparently).
Neither choice is right or wrong
It's just one is labeled "Ideal" and one is labeled "Reality"; neither leads to a bad ending at all.
It's so fun when morons say the complete exact opposite of what the game does.
Kotomine says it himself. It's attempting to save Sakura that is trying to hold onto everything, whereas Kiritsugu is the one who tossed parts of him away.
One is Ideal, that one is Idea. Neither is called "reality".
Nah mate, that IS the right choice, it gives you Saber points.
I remembered the ideal one at least, but still neither or technically wrong by any means. Which is why the choice is left to you to begin with, even though there is no real choice there.
Not gonna post more?
Shit, it's 5:33 AM and I've spent all night arguing about FSN again.
Fuck you guys, seriously.
This is bait of babylon, baka.
I just watched this today. Cute Archer a best.
Love you too, faggot.
>So this is the power of tracing... Not bad...
The cycle of waifus, shitposting and powerlevels never ends.
I'm restarting the main routes in Fate Stay Night in celebration of the news.
I'm going to do Fate True, UBW True/Good, HF Normal/True.
Which ones am I forgetting?
I'm going to be using http://www.neoseeker.com/Games/vfaqs/302-walkthrough/ as a guide to save time.
Have some tummy.
Last Episode, and all bad endings
Why not just use the flowchart included with the fuwanovel release?
Last Episode, I guess. Which means all the bad ends too.
Forgetting? What do you mean?
Ones that I didn't mention that I should play through.
Sparks Liner High, and Mind of Steel for instance.
Flowchart is included with anything patched with MM, IIRC
>F/HA still isn't fully ENG translated.
>its been so 5 years
>using a guide
No anon, just let the Dense guide you.
>getting all the Bad Ends for Last Episode
>not getting them for the secret dojo
You can still read almost all of it.
Check the translation page
>"Alright, I've put this off long enough. Time to play the VN."
>Download off Fuwanovel
>Get two blue screens, an error message in moon, and a black screen
Well, if you don't plan on doing LE (or if you've already got it unlocked), then I've always been fond of that bad end towards the end of Fate where Kotomine visits Shirou's house.
Well, that's why most people wouldn't recommend Fuwanovel. It's like a quick and dirty way of playing VNs. Best thing to do is to grab the actual patch released by MM and install it from there.
Or in this age of streaming, using lparchive.
If you're really lazy, just search "fate stay night" on piratebay and the result with the most seeds is the entire thing already patched with the voice acting.
It worth it, every single fucking word.
I am worst with tech than Tohsaka, and don't know how to install patches. Do you download the raw game, then paste it into the folder?
I'll probably do that.
I suppose that works too. I don't think it includes the entire text, but the commentary is nice, particularly in the earlier parts of the Fate route.
>tracing+reinforcement+grail unlimited power
Yep, it was rape.
I know that the primary result on nyaa is the same thing. I used that one and it worked fine.
getting ataraxia working was a bit more fun
Thanks, I'll definitely do them all if that's the general agreement.
Last chapter is the one with Saber meeting Shirou in the afterlife, right?
It's harder to explain internet to Tohsaka than it is to explain not raping to Lancer
I really enjoyed some of the comments, too.
Nah, all you gotta do is supply the thing with the original game disk, and it'll install it for you. That's how it works for most patches anyways.
All you gotta do is download the game, and them run the patch. Then do the things it tells you to do while it's running the patch.
Thanks anons. Downloading now.
Also download demon tools, mount the game disc when it tells you to, and then mount the second game disc when it asks you to while running the patch. That's really as extensive as it gets.
Anyone shell out for the games? It's satisfying to take them out and admire sometimes. Also have Mahoyo which is an especially nice set.
I wish. I have both the collector's editions of Fate/ulimited codes and Fate/Extra though. I'm hoping to get the 10th anniversary edition of F/HA but we'll see.
Already got daemon tools, fuwanovel's folder either didn't have a disk, or I missed it somehow.
Just click the fate application icon (SD Saber). It should bring up the game. Then says yes to all of MM's requests.
Fuwanovel is a pre-installed game, which is a problem because 99% of the time pre-installed games fuck up. Find an .iso torrent, and just delete your fuwanovel folders.
if you downloaded that fuwanovel version you're fine, just run the Fate.exe executable
Don't know what it is about the F/UC case cover, but I love it.
Same, it's one of my favorite covers.
>full voice acting
She can't swim. A lifetime of being able to run on water means you don't need to swim.
>Instead of a sequel to Zero, it will be a new stay night.
Any idea what he means by that?
Why is Seiba so fucking useless?