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It's happening!

http://www.fate-sn.com
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>>101194245
noice
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Fate route confirmed

Tears incoming. Prepare your umbrellas.
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>>101194245
>Fall 2014
It's happening really slowly
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>Facebook button
Fucking jews
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>No True Assassin on the cover
This better have True Assassin.
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>PV not available in your country
Is it a new PV or just something old?
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>>101194377
Its Fate route, no TA.
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>>101194377
this
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>>101194378
It's the old PV.
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A few more pics from the new TM Ace.
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>>101194388

It doesn't say any route. In fact, the director was mocking Fate route in the interview.
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>>101194567
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>>101194567
I thought she was getting a re-design. Or is that just from the PSVita OP.
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why is Rider on the foreground besides Archer?
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>>101194568
Is there a full translated transcript of this anywhere?

I keep hearing different things about the interview and I want to just read it for myself already.
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>>101194586
It's just PSVita stuff.
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Considering all three main character servants are on this pic it seems like it will be some mix route but I probably wouldn't be happy about it if three big plots would be forced into one. Not to mention that they contradict each other.

Maybe this poster doesn't hint at the actual route and is rather a promotion thingy and has shows those three servants in order to look neutral because they don't want to say which route they chose yet.
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>>101194582

>>101194586
I'm not sure. It's hard to tell what that article is about without a full picture.
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>>101194592

It was already translated. People took it out of context about fate route but he was saying he wouldn't do the GIRRLS DON'T FIGHT HURR because he thought that was retarded and wanted to show Shirou complexity.
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>>101194607
>a promotion thingy
Obviously.
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THE STORY CONTINUED
FOR
NEXT GENERATION CHILDREN
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The ANN article said the series would be a totally original story, but still important to the f/sn storyline and Shiro is gonna be even more of a focal point?
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>>101194614
More Sabers.
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>>101194637
And an Avenger. That's all I got.
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>>101194592
Miura: The content of Fate/Stay Night should be assembled to follow the vector introduced by Fate/Zero, we are following that logic. If we succeed things should become interesting.
There is one more thing, from the time I received the post of director I decided one thing.
That is to draw precisely the character who is Emiya Shirou.
Shirou who is incomplete as a magician and doesn't possess any worthwile talent in the first stage of the story, adding to that Saber who is tied to an incomplete summoning, who doesn't receive enough mana and who can't fight at full strength.
>Despite this while claiming to Saber "Women shouldn't fights", he still throw himself in the frontine.
>Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character with one wrong move.
But playing the original game I realized he wasn't just an idiot who wanted to become a hero, but someone who's heart is warped somewhere.
Why did he become this way, by understanding and despiting this I'm sure he could become a very attractive protagonist.

Miura hates that part, so it'll be ditched. He was dissing Deen. All points to all Shirou's arc getting explored, so don't expect A route, expect Shirou getting all his stoarc in this anime, not a single aspect. They want to continue on with Zero atmosphere and groundwork.
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>>101194682

I also foresee anime original route. The focus is on Shirou as character not which girl he's going to fuck. SORRY WAIFUFAGS. Men > women for ufotable
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>>101194636
>ANN
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>>101194658

Will ufotable make an opening for Ataraxia too?
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>>101194614

Ufo Sakura >*

I dislike Takeuchi's design but fuck Ufotable makes her the hottest.
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>>101194763
That's possible. Hopefully it doesn't interfere too much with their production for the anime.
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Where's the new PV I was promised?
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>>101194582
anyone got a scan of this? rin makes me melt
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>>101194794
She does look really cute there. I'm looking forward to seeing her in the anime, even if it ends up being Fate or something and she's mostly irrelevant.
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What about a Tsukihime remake?
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>>101194851
I haven't seen any actual scans yet, unfortunately. But I guess I haven't looked very hard.
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>>101194897
>>101181170
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>>101194682
>Miura: The content of Fate/Stay Night should be assembled to follow the vector introduced by Fate/Zero, we are following that logic.

aka it'll close up all the subplots introduced by Zero and Shirou's arc. Meaning the three families emphasis (with the three girl heirs), Saber's wish, Angra Mainyu, Kirei's quest, Waver's going to come back for sure to take down the Grail and Shirou's distortion and arc and not just the scrapping the surface.

They'll likely ditch the ones introduced in FSN like Medea fodder shit.
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>>101194870

I like the way they animate her. I was never into Sakura in the VN, but it's because Takeuchi's old art of her is pretty unappealing and uninspired. DEEN Sakura is a travesty. Seeing her clones and Koyama art, then how graceful and hot she looks by Ufo changed my mind.

Takeuchi also learned to draw big breasts!
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>>101194682
Who the hell is this director Miura?

I looked him up. Don't worry guys, he's "Rookie of the Year 2011".
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>Fall 2014
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>>101194851
>having shit taste near me
>>101194870
Muh nigga
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>>101194990
Better to give them ample time to produce the show, unless you want mass outsourcing and rushed episodes.
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>>101194990
We'll get through it together. This is one thing /a/ can all like.

>>101195022
>wormslut
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>>101195022
Don't be like that, man. Both sisters are wonderful.
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>>101194990
Yeah, I wanted SAOFATE shitposting.
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>>101195069

Not that guy. I'm a Rinfag and I admit Sakura's looking the best in ufotable style. Rin was still the best looking loli. Maybe her new less chuuni outfit would suit her. She looks dumb in her usual one at least in the show tone. She looked better in her high school uniform.
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>implying that this won't end up just like Deen's version did
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>>101195069
>bitch cunt
>>101195097
Don't try and extend the olive branch. They're the shitposters that started this whole mess in the first place.
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>>101195101
SAO might air in Fall too.
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Can someone please post that one pic of all the days in all three routes described for comparison? Something along the lines of "Day 3: Berserker smash! Day 4: Nothing happens"
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I hope it'll be some kind of improved HF. Loved the story around Angry Manjew and Kirei's arc fits the most as continuation to Zero because he was the most important master aside from Kiritsugu. I also liked Shirou's development in HF the most.
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What if they do Shirou/Sakura and Archer/Saber?
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Will Sakura finally get her due, or will she be infinitely shit on?
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>>101195137
've PDF version of it.

>>101195146
Rejoice.
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>>101195130
No, fuck you, buddy. I like both girls and I won't abide you badmouthing one just because she might have a few douchebag fans.
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>>101195146
Then I'll be pissed off because it wasn't Archer/Rin.
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>>101195178
>watched Sakura suffer for years
>didn't do anything about it, even once her father and mother were dead
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>>101195178
Yes, Rin may be worst girl, but what does that matter when they're all so great.

Rin is a bitch, though
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>>101195137

It's not about the routes, it's about the content. Miura wants to explore ALL of Shirou's shit.

He'll have to summarize all routes because according to Nasu, one is Intro, Development, quest for an Answer and finally Answer+Practical Application.

You can have Shirou-initially acting like Fate, get his duel with Archer as UBW and then realize the taint of the ideals (which was what in HF began his disregard) with Archer giving his arm to him.

There could be an ending as HF true (with Ilya alive instead of Rider) mixed with Last Episode (only with Archer, who is Shirou in the end). That would wrap up a happy ending for all the four kids and Saber, plus explore: human Shirou and hero Shirou (as Archer).
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I hope it'll be possible to mention or even discuss Sakura if this should be a HF thingy. At least when the anime airs. She was always one of my favorite characters but I barely ever mentioned her usual Fate threads because of the incoming worm shitposters and waifu wars.
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>>101195269
>plus explore: human Shirou and hero Shirou (as Archer).

That's an interesting thought. Archer and Saber would make a more logical match because they are heroes who contracted themselves and had a deep kinship and understanding as each others' 'mirror images' in UBW.

With HF True with the survival of the four heirs and their future together. The heroes could be freed and enjoy their eternal summer paradise. It doesn't even have to be romantic ship in any case. Kind of like Oceanus was for Rider and his companions.

The NASU Throne of Heroes shit is far too complicated and dumb to address on a 25 tv show that aims to give closure to fate/zero.
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>>101195332
No, it's only going to get worse. Thanks Rinfags.
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>>101195269


UBW's answer is better than HF's answer.
Fuck wormslut. Who gives a shit about the bank robber if it's the worst girl. Fuck that.

Shirou's ideals are worth protecting.
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>>101195269
If Last Episode makes it into this adaptation in some form, I'll be one happy goddamn weeaboo.
muh Avalon
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>Rider licking her blade

That's dangerous.
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>>101195458
This.
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>>101195420
Rinfags and BestGirlfags are equally to blame in this.

Sure the Rinfags start things with wormshit, but we, as lovers of the best Type-Moon, must recognize their defect nature and learn to tolerate their simple ways.
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>>101194682
somehow i do not like this. at least he spits on deen.
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>>101195455
Sakura haters are the worst kind of people, how can yout fucking hate her for being raped ? You are at the same level of sandniggers
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>>101195455

UBW wasn't answer, according to Nasu, it was the start of the search for an answer found in HF where also was applied.

Even the VN tells you this aloud.

UBW has Shirou oblivious of his father's nature. The 'wormslut' like you idiotically call her is just the stand in Shirley/Irisviel for Shirou. Shirou's ideals took a nosedive because he realized the kind of shit Kiritsugu DID. He stopped his idealization which happened thanks to Saber and Kotomine. BY the time he had to made a choice, he no longer cared about it.
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I want Fate route Saber.
I want UBW Shirou Vs Archer
I want both Sakura and Illya to be saved and happy.
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>>101195455
Forget your ideals, a man must protect what's dear to him with all his strength, not spread it thin and justify the inevitable failures of heroism with the solace of having tried!

Draw your blade fool knight, we will see if your strength of your blade matches your fragile conviction!
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>>101195458

Last Episode with Archer and Saber. Archer as the Hero Shirou. I wish they ditch all the dumb romance and take on the core of the relationship which Gen said:

>It isn't a relationship fueled by instinct like the relationship between a man and a woman, but a romance of logic between two people who need each other from the heart.

Meanwhile human Shirou who never becomes a hero saves his precious family: Sakura, Taiga and Ilya. And Sakura's family: Rin. Happy ending with all the family feud healed and the Grail taken down by Waver featuring an OVA he meets Rider in Oceanus.
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>>101195269
THIS IS SHIT! you definetly can't fucking mix this stuff up. it defeats the whole purpose of his determination at the end of each route which made him awesome in the first place. it will just make him look like a teenage hypocrit who cant stand true to his own decisions.

damn iam so not looking forward to this.
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>>101195202
Rin didn't know what was going on and she was just a kid anyway. That doesn't really make the way she basically just avoided the whole issue for years right, but it can be difficult to take that first step after so many years of being apart, especially when you've been raised with a traditional magus value system that tells you to just forget about your imouto and focus on being the best asshole you can be instead. She should have tried to reforge that connection earlier, but I can't totally blame her for having so much trouble with it.
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>>101195639
>Hurr durr characters shouldn't grow and change over the course of the story
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>>101195639

Routes only work in VN format. This isn't a VN, you outraged manchild.

This is a sequel to Fate/Zero anime. In case you didn't notice, they said they'll make everyone happy and address all the stuff they left unresolved in Zero plus new things written by Nasu.
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>>101195667
>hurr durr characters shouldnt take 180 degree turns every five episodes
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>>101195639

Except that Nasu intended for the routes to be read as Introduction and Development = Question about Shirou (Fate and UBW). Answer and Application about Shirou (HF).

The format as bishoujo heroine shit romance is to get the manchildren buy his shit. Even when he wrote Last Episode, he did it because of Shirou's "Tin Man" heart of void persona exploration and not because he gave a shit about muh Saber happy ending.
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>Shirou cumming out of Saber
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>>101195720
That's clearly Gil standing in front of GoB.
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>>101195615
I remember reading that discussion. Didn't they end up saying something along the lines of
>Shirou x Saber = logos
>Shirou x Rin = ethos
>Shirou x Sakura = pathos

Whatever it was, I thought it was nice to get something from an interview - other than Nasu reminding us all that Sakura is the only person who could ever have twoo wuv wiv da Emyiah doki doki desu yo
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>>101195530

I thought Fate was the question and UBW was the answer. HF was an application.


>Even the VN tells you this aloud.
Where?
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>>101195676
>Routes only work in VN format.

I dunno, I liked how the Yosuga no Sora anime handled it.

Granted, no way in hell that would work for FSN.
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I like the brainstorming here. I can see it now.

It'll be a mix with Archer saving Saber like in UBW, with flashbacks of Archer being Fate Shirou-like.

While current Shirou will first act like UBW then find out Kiritsugu's truth and the truth of everything and see his family is in danger and chose his family over his manchildren ways, as denial he isn't Kiritsugu which was part of HF route choice was about. It wouldn't be just about Sakura, but all his loved ones.

That way Shirou will success twofold in what Kiritsugu failed. As hero, Archer, and as a person, Shirou.
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>>101195751
>Gil cumming out of Saber
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>>101195676
>Routes only work in VN format.
This kind of thinking is what created the DEEN abomination. The only way to satisfactorily adapt the F/SN VN or any VN is to adapt all the routes as much as you can. If the routes contradict each other as much as they do in F/SN, then do it omnibus.
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>>101195676
>Routes only work in VN format.

that defeats the purpose of the nasuverse in which small decision can lead to different story and fates. fate is meant to lead to different routers with different decisions based on the things that happen. mashing everything together just dosnt feel right.
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>anime original story

There goes my hype. Is it really confirmed that it won't follow any route? I feel like this is going to be way more about just following F/Z than actually properly adapting F/SN.
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>>101195773

The last Tiger Dojo.

>>101195777

It doesn't because this is now a sequel to the FZ anime and you can't just ignore 1/3 of the shit because m-muh affection points with this waifu!
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>>101195824
>>101195834

Reminder they want this to be F/Z sequel and Nasu is involved. The atmosphere will be different. So I bet there'll be just 5 minutes of cooking scenes.
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>>101195882
>So I bet there'll be just 5 minutes of cooking scenes.
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So... since /a/'s already decided this will be a TRAINWRECK, who's gonna watch this with me?
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>>101195841
>Is it really confirmed that it won't follow any route?
No, it's not.
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This is all I need from the anime. They're fucking soulmates, they better not neglect this part. His connection with Saber is big in every route and it's the core of Fate.
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>>101195882
nooooooo!
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>>101195841
>Is it really confirmed that it won't follow any route?

No, not at all. It's confirmed that Nasu's been talking about background info-type stuff that wasn't in the VN during scenario meetings and ufotable is incorporating some of it into the anime. Some people read way too much into that and it got reported as confirmation of an anime original route rather than just a small amount of anime original material, like it should have been.
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>>101195926
>So... since /a/'s already decided this will be a TRAINWRECK,
Who said it was a trainwreck? Go back to your SamFlam threads.
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>>101195945
>core of fate

more like the introduction of the real story.
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>>101195844
I was thinking more the sheer length of the novel.

I'm personally cautiously optimistic about this. As long as they aren't trying to BE all three routes, and are instead going for a new exploration of Shirou with some of the elements of all three routes involved, then this could be good.
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>>101195946

Sakura will be show instead practising magical archery.
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>>101195974

They only need to address the plot points adapting as close as the way was addressed. If something needed to be changed, they have Nasu there.
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>>101195926
You think I give a shit what "/a/'s decision" is? If it turns out to be a trainwreck, then I'm going to that out for myself one week at a time.

Hell, at least this series will be easier to look at than Deen's pastel scribbles.
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>>101195882
>So I bet there'll be just 5 minutes of cooking scenes
B-But the cooking scenes are the most character developing points in the VN!
How could they cut it out?!
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>Promo picture for the anime
>Protagonist isn't on it

Why? How come Shirou's pretty much never on promo art or covers?
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>>101195978

If she's not Dark Grailed and can be saved early on, she could have Hollow Ataraxia feats.
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>>101196054

They'll be one for the Masters too as well.

Look Saber, Archer and Rider are the foreground.
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>>101195882

Fuck, they should just go wild with it. Do something unique. Like KnK 5. If I were directing, I'd put in an episode without dialogue. Just Shirou cooking alone in the kitchen. Saber sitting in the dojo in sunlight. Shots from school and class, and around town. Rin in her house. No one says a word. Credits roll.
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So do we know if Kajiura's going to be doing the OST for this or not?

Of course she will. I'm looking forward to her version of Emiya.
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>>101196022
>>How could they cut it out?!
They won't.
The interview already said to look forward to the funny part.
People are just pushing the Zero atmosphere much more than it was stated in the interview.
"SN it's a story that stand on it's own" it was it said.
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>Anime will really delve into Shirou's character
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>>101195945

Replace Shirou with EMIYA and you might get it.
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>>101195844
Doesn't say anything of the sort. Just looked it up myself. They just say how Sakura's route is the backside or something.
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>>101195120
>Nasu supervising all script changes
>Ufotable
I don't think it's possible.
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>>101196161
>I said it before, but Fate is Shirou's story. The question of how Shirou should exist is presented in Saber and Rin's routes. One of the answers is Sakura's route, "Heavens Feel".
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>>101196106
http://www.fate-sn.com/

Notice how it says "The story continued"? They're definitely going for the F/Z market.
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>>101196241

Gen did the same in Zero, he even decided some of the changes.
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>>101196270

Yup, even they said the production and the audience take it as a sequel of F/Z, they are politely trying to placate the waifu neckbeards before trolling there with manly Saber.
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>>101196270
>>101194245

Looking MANLY there, Saber. As expected of Based Ufotable that doesn't do the waifushit.

I can't wait for her redesign.
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>>101196276
Yeah, like removing Enkidu and Lancelot parts. Fuck you, Gen.
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Is it me or Herakles looks strangely attractive. You can see he's roguishly handsome without the ME.
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>>101195202
Rin loved her sister.
She must have thought that even if it was tough for her, it is most likely what's best for her. To be the heir and future head of a prestiged magi family.
Of course Rin didn't know just how badly the situation at the Matous were, but from the looks of it, it must simply have seemed like a very tough but promising life.
And in the future they could both be heads of prestieged magi families.

She felt horrible when she realized Sakura's true situation, and did have quite the reaction.
Both Rin and Sakura love eachother, they always did.
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>>101196353
That's manly to you?

Sure okay lol
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Great, another pile of shit from Type-Moon for you raging faggots to smear the board with.
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Wait, what? Saber's getting a redesign? Source?
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>>101196376

Lancelot parts made it in the Iri special, some of them. While I would have liked Enkidu, there was a lot less emphasis on Gil's 'love' for Saber in the anime.

So much, they had like 3 scenes and Gil looked trolling her while Kirei was busy?
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>>101196353
which means she will look far more cuter once we star to discover her female side after shirou keept screaming GIRLS SHOULDN'T FIGHT.
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>>101196270
>>They're definitely going for the F/Z market.
Lol, they have already changed Seiba character design to make her more SN-like and cute.
Of course, they will be pandering the Zero fanbase too
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>>101196436
I hate it too, but you'll watch it just like I will.
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>>101196436
Don't get carried away monster, hue hue hue
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>>101196443

Miura thought that was unappealing and uninteresting. All chopped. Do you honestly believe there'll be romance when they want Zero audience? Waifufag pls leave.
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>>101196440
New, casual clothes for most of the characters, apparently.
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>>101196376
>like removing Enkidu and Lancelot parts.
Source?
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>>101196427

Ufotable expressily said in the animation interview of BD 2 that they draw Saber as a dashing young boy. Waver's meant to be more feminine than their Saber. Because they like Gen's description of Saber of lacking any feminine beauty and grace but the gallant and dignity of a knight of the Novel over Shirou's/Takeuchi's waifu take.

Kojiro looks more feminine.
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>>101196376
They were actually right in removing those scenes. The scenes would have been horribly disjointed otherwise.
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>Fate route
I want it to be the heavens feel final battle though.
After zero I don't think i'll be satisfied with out the fist fight and KOTOMINE KIREI
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>>101196512

It was in the booklet animation of the second boxset. The reason was that detracted the attention from Excalibur eventful moment and he's partly right.

That also explains why there's no emphasis on Gil's fixation on Saber, rather they decide his relationship with Kotomine is the highlight of the character.
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>>101196529
Yeah, whatever. Ufotable clearly has no idea what they're talking about either, then.

I dunno, maybe my sense of "manliness" just isn't the same as you peoples'.
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>>101196577

It's not Fate route.
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When are we going to find out what the story follows exactly? When do we get to see the redesigns? Why will we not get to see Sparks Liner High animated?
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WHY WON'T THEY TELL WHICH ROUTE IT IS?

WHEN ARE YOU THEY GONNA TELL WHICH ROUTE IT IS?

WHICH ROUTE IS IT, FUCKING TELL ME UFOTABLE
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>>101196608
So It's heavens feel or some mishmash of fate and feel?
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>>101196608
We don't know what it is or isn't. Just that there's some anime original stuff. Doesn't say it's entirely anime original or if it is or isn't following a certain route.
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>>101196608
Citation needed
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>>101196479
yeah sure i admitt it iam a waifufag. even thou i want to to see a good character development for shirou (preferable ending with HF shirou) i also want a proper display of my waifus story.

if saber will be only shirous sidekick i will rage like shit.
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>>101196614
When it airs.
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>>101196270
So, that video's not available in my country. Is it anything new or interesting? Or is it the same PV as before?
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What's wrong with thinking that the answers Shirou reaches in each route is perfectly viable?

I don't and can't agree with the answer found in Heaven's Feel because of personal reasons, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong. But I don't like it.

I liked Unlimited Blade Works the most because of the answer Shirou and Archer both reached.

I think Shirou's ideals are truly beautiful.
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>>101194245
>Archer and Rider at the front
HF Route confirmed
>No True Assasin
Because He using Presence Concealment
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>>101196555
They could've been worked in somewhere else. For example, starting episode 24 with the Lancelot backstory. But it would've been difficult to adapt into anime I guess. Same as the avenger stuff and Archer in the mud.
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>>101196241
You're too naive, mate.
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>>101196660
>>101196653
>>101196650

It's in the magazine. They are continuing Zero. They can't do any route if they want to actually continue Zero.

>>101196663

I'm pretty sure that her backstory will be explored, but it would not surprise me that goes semi UBW. All Saber needed was to observe Archer there. Get more conclusive bonding and make them true bros and you can wrap up two in one.
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>>101196744
They were being figurative.
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>>101196744
>bros

this is the stuff nightmares is made out of. turning a romance into a brohood.

massive rage incomming.
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>>101196787

It's in their website:

>THE STORY CONTINUED
>FOR
>NEXT GENERATION CHILDREN
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>>101196479
Considering that it's meant to be a F/Z sequel, Saber will play a large role. If she's playing a large role she's with Shirou a lot. If she's with Shirou a lot they'll probably want to fuck again. Archer never forgot meeting Saber for a reason.
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>>101196815
Because it's the next generation of masters after Fate/Zero.
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>>101196798
Turning bros into romance is the true nightmare. That's why fangirls and shippers are so annoying.
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>>101196798

It was a shit romance and Nasu called it ridiculous, agreeing it would have been better as a spiritual connection because they don't have real chemistry.

Aka it'll be Saber and Archer.
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>>101196744
So that's just your assumption. Not actual information. Nice, dumabass.
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>>101196737
I think you're being too cynical. Ufotable have a history of working with Type-Moon. They know the Universe, they know what they're doing, they know who they're working with and, most importantly, they're not DEEN.
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>>101196693
Ideals in general tend to have some form of beauty.

But they're also unreasonable. An ideal is an ideal because it's ultimately unattainable. Of course, that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for them; we can only advance by reaching for the impossible. That's the only way we can continue to raise our limits. Humanity has always functioned this way. There was a time when walking on the moon's surface was considered nothing but a ridiculous fantasy. However, if we gave up and stopped trying simply because it was impossible, we never would have gotten to where we are today.

Still, focusing single-mindedly on an ideal is an unhealthy way to live and a good way to end up destroying yourself. It would have taken a miracle for Fate route's Shirou to not grow up to be as cynical as Archer. The only reason it doesn't is because he successfully managed to "save" Saber. Saber became the proof that living for the sake of an ideal isn't wrong. If Shirou had failed and Saber continued seeking the Grail after her encounter with Shirou, he might have turned out to be as twisted as Archer. That's the primary difference between them, when you get down to it: One was able to save Saber and the other wasn't.
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>>101196832

The last script of Zero had the same title

With Sakura, Ilya, Shirou and Rin on cover and no one else.
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>>101196693
Oh look, another redditor.
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>>101196577
Fate Route has nothing to do with Fate/Zero tone-wise, and resolves none of its plot points. Fate Route is by far the least likely, with HF being most likely if not for the statement about this being an original route (with dark, serious FZ tone). Other than that, Miura seems to hate Shirou's "protect girls" characterization in Fate.
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Shirou going full Mind of Steel and becoming Kiritsugu 2.0 would be the best thing that could happen to FSN, but they don't have enough balls for that.

I hope they'll do something original, even though Heaven's Feel deserves more attention.
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>>101196891
>Fate Route has nothing to do with Fate/Zero tone-wise, and resolves none of its plot points.

You mean aside from Saber's?
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So in conclusion, we don't actually really know anything and we're just making a bunch of assumptions and declaring them as facts.
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>>101196891
Wat

Are you forgetting someone? Are you forgetting the whole Avalon plot?
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>>101196891
>>101196935

I'm sure it'll be a mix of all routes.

Shirou's role will be taken by Archer in Saber's life. While Shirou, the boy, will have the HF-deal to do instead of just Sakura, it'll involve Ilya too.

That's why Archer, Saber and Rider are in front together.
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>>101196887
>With Sakura, Ilya, Shirou and Rin on cover and no one else.
HEAVEN'S FEEL CONFIRMED
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>>101196848
yeah it was a shitty romance and it was unrealistic as fuck but who cares man its chinese cartoons and i liked it.
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>>101196890
>redditor
what
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>>101196935
Saber vs Grail, Ilya, Kotomine, Matous, etc.

>inb4 but muh Seabah-waifu is super important!1!
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Fuck sake, now I can't kill myself for another year.
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>>101196989

It's supposed to be the story of the new generation with Shirou as character. You bet the HF family plot WILL be involve. We don't know how.

HF is the route that addresses the core of Shirou isn't Kiritsugu.
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>>101196848
Who cares what Nasu thought of it? His opinion isn't fact and the Japanese are always overly modest as fuck.
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>>101197023
Just saying, you can't say it resolves nothing when it actually does.
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>>101197058

He repeated twice his dislike of Saber/Shirou. Also ufotable usually makes lolie Rin and Sakura/shota Shirou ship teasing in their comics.
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>>101197021
>Shirou is just like me, Shirou's ideal is so respectable I sure do love Shirou.
>Shirou's ideal is totally practical and applicable, giving it up is LAME!
>Archer and Lancer are such bros UBW best route
>fucking wormslut LOL
>*tips fedora*
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I just want them to hook up in the anime. Is that too much to ask?
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>>101197087
>>>/v/
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I'd really like to see Heavens Feel's ending as the actual ending to this remake.

It's Spring.
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>>101197106

We've gotten two h-scenes of her, and one of them includes Seiba giving Shirou a full-blown blowjob.

What more do you want?
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>>101197023
She is. I don't even need to care about Saber to acknowledge that.
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>>101197106

It won't happen without enraging the Saber's anime fanbase. Shirou's not a really popular match for her.
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>>101197087
I think there is something legitimately wrong with your brain.
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>>101197151
Don't forget hollow ataraxia.
Even still, I want it animated. 18+ bluray special please.
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Ufotable favorite girl is Rin. I'm just warning you.
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>>101197151
futa saber fuck emiya boy pussy
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>>101197218

>voiced scene where Shirou blows his load all over Seiba's face

ffffuuuuckkkking stop giving me these feelings
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>>101197165
Wait. What? That doesn't make any sense.
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>>101197245

>Vita
>sex scenes

You're funny. Reminder they cut all of them from FSN.
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It's ironic that despite Nasu allegedly claiming that ShirouxSaber isn't an ideal pairing or whatever, he's essentially made it so that it's the only way she receives any sort of closure to her story.

In UBW's Good End (which isn't the same as a True End), she basically goes "I dunno what I should do so maybe I'll figure something out if I stay with you guys lol). In the True End, she destroys the Grail, but only because she acknowledges that it isn't the Grail she's looking for, so she's probably continuing her endless search for it.

In Heaven's Feel, she dies, so once again, she's continuing her endless search.

It's like saying "Okay, maybe Shirou and Saber hooking up isn't the most realistic scenario, but the only way she's gonna be free from her fate is if she fucks him. Nothing else will save her."

It's just amusing is all.
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Think of this not as an adaptation of Fate/ Stay Night's VN, but as Fate/Zero's sequel and you'll be fine.

I bet there will be constant flashback to FZ that wasn't there in the VN.
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>>101197087
>Shirou's ideal is totally practical and applicable

UBW Shirou's more practical than HF. If everyone acted like HF Shirou the world would be completely fucked. There's being selfish, and then there's trading humanity's survival for Sakura sex. Meanwhile, the world is actually bettered by philanthropists with Shirou's hero complex. Fate and HF Shirou both represent two nigh unworkable extremes.
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>>101197300
*Fate/Zero anime's sequel
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>>101197272

ShirouxSaber isn't a popular pairing anymore. It was like when the VN came out and the fanbase were lonely waifufags, now the vast larger fanbase incorporated by ufotable primary audience (the Zerofags) think the love story is embarrassing and should be ignored.

Saber is preferred shipped with heroes of her standing. She'll get a happy resolution as a king who needs no shitty ginger nip.
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>>101196875
Thanks anon, that made me feel better.
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>>101197335
That's stupid.
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>>101197165
God fucking damn it, don't remind me about the Gil shippers.
>being treated like a mindless object is my dream relationship~

Fate/Zero drowned my hopes and dreams and my ship in a storm of tumblr fanart.
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>>101197295

Wrong. She gets a conclusion in her route in UC without falling for Shirou.
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>>101196821
Considering that it's meant to be a F/Z sequel, Kirei will play a large role since he's the main cast together with Kirit while Sabre is just a side character. So we will see Shirou replace Kirit and see he suffering from his ideal of justice just like Kirit and Saber will unavoidably becomes side character again just like in F/Z.
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>>101197309

UBW Shirou was NEVER faced with a choice of killing a loved one. He disregarded himself.

If he had to kill RIN to save people, I wanted to see him trying. HE also never found out Kiritsugu's real self or actually LOST shit because Archer hauled him from trouble and kept him from getting his hands dirty by killing everyone before he did.

He was the most immature of all. Even Fate Shirou actually took a decision.
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You know what's especially funny?

At the end of the anime version of Fate/Zero, when Shirou decides to become a hero of justice, a shot of Saber is seen being enveloped in a ray of light, as if salvation is raining down on her.

The imagery is clearly implying that Shirou is the key to her salvation (which it actually is, since Fate/stay night's Fate route is the only time she obtains it).

But if they were to go with Heaven's Feel, they'd basically be killing her off in the worst way possible. "Welp, guess that wasn't her salvation after all lol."

I kind of want this to actually happen now.

>"Oh hey, Shirou decided to become a hero and Saber gets enveloped by light. Wonder what that means?"
>"Oh, okay, it meant absolutely nothing, Saber is still doomed forever."
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>>101197361
>UC
>relevant
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>>101197345

Saber/Shirou is more stupid. Or should I quote Nasu himself "ridiculous."
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>>101197335
>SaberxIskander will never happen
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>>101197407
the BD's would sell like shit
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>>101197428
Nasu clearly has no idea what he actually writes, their romance was sweet, and more importantly, there's no viable alternative for her.
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>>101197407
>implying Shirou won't go back in time whn Saber was happiest and become her dad
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>>101197443
Thank God for that.
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Is Saber the Gundam RX-78 of anime?
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>>101197402
Read the scene where Taiga is taken hostage. Shirou considers killing Rin if she puts Taiga in danger for a split second, then angrily discards that thought.
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>>101197407

No one is saying she'll be altered, retard. HF route can happen without Saber Alter.

Kotomine said he was looking for his answer on the quest and Angra Mainyu. Which happens in HF.

>>101197417

>moving goalposts

Even Nasu agreed they don't have a real romantic relationship, it's just a forced shit that can be re-written as bonding between comrades. You're a hopeless shipper.
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>>101197361
It's the equivalent of a time skip, after which everything has been magically solved. There is no explanation for how or why she came to that conclusion.

Might as well have Sakura get her freedom and become happy and free without explaining how anything happened at all.
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Why Ally of Justice?

Shouldn't Shirou want to be a firefighter instead?
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>>101197445
I thought it was cute too, but I'll agree with Nasu that it really didn't make any fucking sense.
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>>101197335
>implying Shirou isn't distantly descended from a branch of some magus family from Scotland, Ireland, or (for maximum chivalry) Wales

Also fuck you, I'm a perfectly well adjusted waifufag in between bouts of crushing isolation
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>>101197402
UBW Shirou knew he'd probably end up fucked like Archer, understood the likely consequences of his decision, but made the decision anyways, because it was the right thing to do. HF Shirou just chased after his own desires, screwing everyone else over, like a selfish child.
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>>101197335
B-but a-anon, I self insert into shirou since I am also a clueless faggot without any remarkable talent. A girl like saber would surely go for someone like me right? right!?
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>>101197402
Killing=maturity?

You're being real edgy today, anon. Also, Kiritsugu's past self is irrelevant, it wasn't what Shirou inherited nor was it the man who saved and raised him.
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>>101197491

Yes, that's the fucking point. Shirou is never placed in a truly hopeless position like HF Shirou was. There was no buts or ifs for HF Shirou.

Not only he got informed his daddy was a shit and his life was a life since the fucking second day of the war, but he lost SABER because he played superhero. He knew this. He knew it was his ideals the reason she died.

In UBW, she's merely kidnapped, but in HF, before she reappears, he blamed himself AND his ideals for her death.

Then he's confronted with more shit. It's not a choice he took out nowhere.

UBW had Archer helping him behind the scenes, he never has to deal with the stress of actually KILLING anyone. Because conveniently Archer does it for him.

In HF, nobody is handholding him so he can play superhero.
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>>101197484
No, She is the Astray Series of the anime
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>>101197604
*lie
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>>101197587
Thank you. Finally someone who understands.
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>>101197279
>The Saber x Shirou + Rin H-scene will never be animated or voiced

Why do I even bother living?
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>>101197594
>shirou
>no remarkable talent

What the fuck are you saying
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>>101197604
None of that mattered. The killing, the failures, the despair. None of that will ever deter Shirou, Archer's proof of that.

None of that matters since he would have overcome it or died. What mattered is Sakura.
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>>101197504
Yeah but

I still want this to happen. It'd be amusing.

Because when you get down to it, Heaven's Feel does end up abandoning many of the core themes present in Fate/Zero.

Shirou gives up his pursuit of become a hero of justice.

Saber's story comes to a grinding halt as she's turned evil and then killed, meaning she's forced to continue searching for the Grail.

The confrontation between Kotomine and Shirou is no longer an extension of the confrontation between Kotomine and Kiritsugu, because Shirou is no longer following Kiritsugu's ideals.

Heaven's Feel does provide closure, but it does so by largely abandoning much of what was inherited from Fate/Zero.

...Haha, come to think of it, I also remembered that Kotomine passes Azoth to Rin in Fate/Zero as well. When Shirou kills Kotomine with it in Fate, he's indirectly getting revenge for her and Tokiomi. Completely went over my head up until now. Now I kind of want the anime to be a straight adaptation of Heaven's Feel more than ever, just so it can ignore that detail too.
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>>101197621
But TM said that they want to make Fate to be a Gundam-like series with Saber as the archetypal robot/Gundam
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>>101197584
How does it not make sense? Shirou means a lot to Saber, he develops her character and shit.
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>>101197604
>In HF, nobody is handholding him so he can play superhero.

Basically this. In Fate, he was hypocritical. I was re-reading Last Episode and he laughs at his own mindset of not realizing he never saved "everyone", he was always picking a side without realizing it.

In HF, he can't just play hypocrite because the threat is someone he cares about, not an easily blamed bad guy he can disregard as person as Kotomine was. Conveniently steering his eyes away from the truth.
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>>101197484
Yes, now have a 00 Saber.
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>>101197687
Because beyond muh ideals and DEITO, they don't have a lot of chemistry.
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>>101197621
How fitting.
Blue > Red
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>>101197676

Kiritsugu chose his manchildren dream over his family and got fucked over. Saber and Kiritsugu killed and destroyed Shirou's life. They took away his family and saved him by making him a husk of a being who is fundamentally broken.

What better karmatic debt than that outcome?
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>>101197647
Fate H scenes are awkward as shit.
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I hope I don't have to listen to Sugiyama Noriaki shout "SABAHHH" over and over in this adaptation.
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>>101197676

He kills Saber with that dagger, so it's put in good use. And he projects the one Rin uses to fight Sakura.

Dagger is useless in UBW.
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>>101197716
>I was re-reading Last Episode and he laughs at his own mindset of not realizing he never saved "everyone", he was always picking a side without realizing it.
Nope.
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>>101197767
Saber didn't do it on purpose. Kiritsugu on the other hand allowed Shirou to take up his broken ideals.
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>>101197747
Saber doesn't have chemistry with anyone, she had no opportunity to develop those sort of relationships in life. Doesn't mean she can't have romance, she just needs to be broken out of her shell.
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>>101197800
TORACE, OHN
NINE RIVES BRADO WURKS
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>>101194359
remember, the jew fear the samurai
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>>101197676
Totally disagree about the hero of justice thing. F/Z basically hammers it into the audience that Kiritsugu is a messed up guy who shouldn't be doing what he's doing, but he's unable to change and suffers endlessly for it. HF's resolution to the hero of justice thing actually follows up on this very well, since again, we've got the messed up kid aiming for an unreachable ideal, but this time he CAN change and ultimately is rewarded for it.
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>>101197662
aside from muh ideals, a meatshield kept alive by Avalon, and a stupid power that's fucking worthless until it awakens like in a shounen, he's useless as shit
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>>101197676
>Because when you get down to it, Heaven's Feel does end up abandoning many of the core themes present in Fate/Zero.

The point of HF is the application of the answer Shirou has to reach without failure (what Kiritsugu did). The application can't be idealistic because the real world doesn't work with it. He has to succeed in projecting what Kiritsugu FAILED to: his family. Mind of Steel ending is the one he BECOMES Kiritsugu, it's the straight out-continuation of Fate/Zero because the heart of it: would the heirs fucked up like the previous generation did or not?

The only reason Saber died was because Nasu didn't want her to survive actually. The original Return of the Spring idea HAD Saber alive (Tiger Dojo called it a "ridiculous" ending because was too happy) which makes sense because she was connected to Sakura and Sakura's a Grail.
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>>101197885
So aside from all the things that make him useful and important, he's useless. Who would have thought.
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UBW is the best route overall.
I liked HF but it just so all over the place and everyone dies.
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>>101197845
I EM DA BOUN OFFU MAI SOURDO
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>>101197842

Saber's pursuit of the Grail brought her there with a blind narrow view.
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>>101197885
Except he could hit an apple on your erect dick with his archery... multiple times in a row.
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>>101197844
She's not a very interesting character honestly. Without the Saber/Shirou dynamic she was forgettable in UBW and HF.
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>>101197897
Saber surviving HF would really have been way too happy though, I'm glad she died there even if she's my favorite girl.
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>>101197676
>Shirou gives up his pursuit of become a hero of justice.
Because Kerry persue to becomes hero of justice and fail at everthing. He destroy the whole city, lost his wife and kid. That's why Shirou will choose only his loves one so he not gonna be 2nd Kerry.
>Saber's story comes to a grinding halt as she's turned evil and then killed, meaning she's forced to continue searching for the Grail.
Sabre part in F/Z is not the main part and the whole F/Z prove that she fail as a King and she accept that fact.
>The confrontation between Kotomine and Shirou is no longer an extension of the confrontation between Kotomine and Kiritsugu, because Shirou is no longer following Kiritsugu's ideals.
Shirou will continue the quest of suppress/destroy the grail that Kerry didn't succeed.
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>>101197809
Killing Saber with Azoth doesn't have the same meaning as killing Kotomine with it.

Kotomine used that very knife to murder Tokiomi. Thus, when Shirou uses that knife to kill Kotomine, he was indirectly taking revenge for Rin and Tokiomi. When he uses it to kill Saber in Heaven's Feel, it loses any and all symbolism. In fact, that's a running theme in Heaven's Feel: it throws away the past in exchange for grasping the future. Which is great and all but not the best way to go about things if you want to sell the Fate/stay night anime as a sequel to Fate/Zero.

I made this analogy in a previous thread, but it would essentially be life if Luke never learned that Darth Vader was his father in the Star Wars films, or if he did learn but got over it and stopped caring about it prior to his confrontation with Vader. Both are equally viable, but you're also essentially cutting off the themes that tie the movies together.
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>>101197925
Except she is willing to give up her pursuit of the grail. Kiritsugu can't give up his dream as much as he tries and forced himself alive until he was sure he could pass it on.
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There's so much they could do in order to improve presentation over what the original VN provides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVjv8oC-3Q

Since this is targeted at the people who liked FZ and all, you could hype certain characters re-appearing again and such things.
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>>101197678
But for me Saber is just more like Astray Series where they change Color(Suit color), Add extension part(big boobs, change weapon, change hair style a little bit) while the face is all the same.
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>>101197885
Ah, but you've neglected one important detail anon.
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>>101197335
>now the vast larger fanbase incorporated by ufotable primary audience (the Zerofags) think the love story is embarrassing and should be ignored.
I doubt most of these have even read the VN though.
I wouldn't say that Saber and Shirou are necessarily the best pairing, but it's certainly not the worst pairing.

Being a legend and whatnot hardly matters that much. And Saber and Shirou can relate to eachother through their relation to their past and their ideals.
There is always Saber and Archer though.
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>>101198020
>image
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>>101197946

I am too. Nonetheless, the thing is that they COULD choose to save her. Have Shirou break the contract and contract her, then he can Avalon his way to save Sakura. Since they don't need to explain shit.

Saber can bid farewell in the end or contract Rin.

>>101197962

Nobody cares about Tokiomi dude. How can you even compare it to Darth Vader and Luke? Are you stupid?
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Is there any VA that is more adept at the screaming from becoming mortally wounded than Shirou's?
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>>101197962
>In fact, that's a running theme in Heaven's Feel: it throws away the past in exchange for grasping the future.

Isn't that pretty much the perfect theme for a sequel to F/Z, though? Kiritsugu's problem was that he couldn't let go of the past and stop blaming himself for not being able to save his brown waifu as a kid. His inability to act there basically determined his entire life from that point forward. Juxtaposing that with Shirou being able to move on and sort of reinvent himself would be pretty appropriate, I think.

Agreed about the Azoth thing, though. Looking at it from the perspective as a continuation of F/Z, there's very little narrative worth in Saber being stabbed with it.
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>>101198109
Ararararararagi, perhaps?
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>>101198109
He doesn't really scream THAT much though.
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>>101198051
>There is always Saber and Archer though.

Exactly, you have an easy solution without adding romance as a prime focus which would completely make the audience drop this.

The problem with Saber and Shirou as pairing is that they need to set it up and explore it. If they want to weasel Shirou/other girl of his school/Taiga, they can START the show as a couple.

They don't need to focus on the tedious romance SOL parts.

Archer can be out his way to help Saber too which was a major thing for him in UBW other than killing himself. And Saber gets more automatic understanding points with Archer.
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>>101198134
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>>101198153
There's a lot of choking on blood and being winded though.
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Let's be honest, the fact that they're advertising it as a sequel to F/Z means almost nothing, they're just using F/Z's popularity to generate hype. It could be anything.
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>>101198118
>Agreed about the Azoth thing, though. Looking at it from the perspective as a continuation of F/Z,

Shirou can fist-fight Kotomine and stab him in the end. There's little narrative worth of Fate Kotomine when his resolution in Fate/Zero was to search and a quest for answer of Angra Mainyu.
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>>101197587
>HF Shirou just chased after his own desires, screwing everyone else over, like a selfish child.
HF Shirou tried to save everyone. When he chose to side with Sakura at the park with Illya. He did so by holding onto the idea of his ideal justice, instead of compromising the ideal for some conventional justice.

The notable difference is just that HF Shirou was rendered powerless, he prioritized accordingly to his own desires. But his goals was never to leave anyone behind.

I would also like to point out that there is in fact nothing that hints at UBW Shirou really being any different from HF Shirou. It's just that UBW Shirou hasn't needed to make a choice yet.
Following the end of UBW, if Rin were to get caught in some nasty scheme comparable to that of Sakura in HF, chances are he would act much the same.
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>>101198200

It's in their website and they admitted the audience and the production see it as continuation of Fate/Zero. Give up.
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>>101198198
That's what I was gonna say. Most of the time he's in too much pain the scream.
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>>101198099
I'm speaking generally.

Heaven's Feel basically cuts off all of what was inherited from Fate/Zero. It's abandoning the past for the sake of the future. Shirou, for instance, was cursed by his past, unable to let go of that promise to Kiritsugu. In Heaven's Feel, he cuts himself from it.

Any potential resolution for Saber is also destroyed in Heaven's Feel, since if she dies, she's merely doomed to repeat her eternal cycle of searching for the Grail. So that "inheritance" is also severed.

The thing with Azoth is also part of this. In the Fate route, it's used as an inheritance to correct sins from the past, but in Heaven's Feel, it loses that symbolism and instead becomes a tool to put down an unrelated problem (Saber Alter).

Everything from the past gets thrown away. At the same time, Heaven's Feel is an "answer" to the prior two routes, so even if it can exist as a story without Fate/Zero, it cannot exist as a story without those two routes. In essence, Heaven's Feel is self-contained to the title of "Fate/stay night".
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>>101198184
Despite the respect Archer has for Saber, they're really all not too compatible. He's not as bad as Kerry, but he's still a "Knave" to her "Knight".

The only reason Archer's words had such an impact on her in UBW, was because she knew he was Shirou.
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>>101198200
Pretty much everything they've given us so far means almost nothing, but that will never stop people from speculating.
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>>101198184
What about the problem of Saber blushing?
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>>101197587
>like a human being
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>>101198217
>chances are he would act much the same.

he was much more secure in his Ideals at the end of UBW I don't think he would
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>>101198099
>Nonetheless, the thing is that they COULD choose to save her

My headcanon is that Shirou wasn't sure that Rule Breaker would actually work as intended on Saber (who knows, she might just instantly disappear when released from the Grail's corruption).

So he decided not to risk wasting a projection since he's so focused on saving Sakura, at the cost of pretty much everything else.
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>>101198184
The thing with Archer and Saber is that Archer is a lot more experienced. Being older, closer to Saber's actual age than Shirou is.
They have a lot more in common with eachother.
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>>101197873
He wasn't rewarded in HF's Normal End. Could've been worse, though. His selfish attempt to save Sakura over everyone else could have brought about the end of the world. In comparison, at worst, following Archers ideals would have resulted in him becoming Archer. Neither HF or Fate Shirou had the perfect answer.

>>101197897
>The application can't be idealistic because the real world doesn't work with it
The real world has plenty of people, firefighters, police officers, and doctors, dedicated to protecting people outside of their family, which is the only thing allowing the people they protect to only give a shit about their own family.
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>>101198217
Shirou in UBW isn't fucked like Kerry is, because he's not trying to save everyone in the world. Shirou's okay with just going with a case-by-case Save Everyone deal.
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What if

all 3 routes

time loop

Shirou remembers it all
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>>101198260
No even most people in the real world would put a end to a loved one if they went around killing people every night .
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>>101198233
>Heaven's Feel basically cuts off all of what was inherited from Fate/Zero

>Kirei looking for answers and Angra Mainyu
>WHAT IS IN THE GRAIL OMG WHY IS IRI EVIL?
>Kiritsugu destroying his family and abandoning Ilya which is addressed ONLY in HF
>Sakura-Rin were sisters! Also only in HF!
>Kotomine is a martial artist and uses blades a lot!
>Shirou acknowledges the truth of his distortion and his father's mistakes

No, dude, you're in love with meaningless details and Seiba. Shirou had the dagger, so he can use the dagger to stab Kotomine in the final battle after he fails to punch him.

Kotomine never pulled shadow tentacles out of fucking nowhere in Fate/Zero, so his role in Fate would be completely out of place.
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>>101198316
Wouldn't work because he'd be too powerful. He learns extremely quickly and having Archer around him three times would mean he would be deadly.
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>>101198338
The shadow tentacles is an Unlimited Codes thing.

In the actual novel, he just throws grail mud around.
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>>101198284

And all those people would still choose to save their loved ones over strangers. They would still try to save the strangers, but not to prioritize them.

Like real people do.
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>>101195146
>Archer/Saber
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>>101198284
I'm not sure the Normal End is relevant here, since I doubt an anime adaptation of any route would go for anything other than a True End. Even in that ending, it could be said that he's rewarded with the knowledge that his actions secured a future for the people he cared about most.
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I want a route where shirou end with rin, saber isnt fucked like in HF, sakura isnt ignored like in UBW/Fate, Archer goal isnt ignored like in Fate/HF. Asking for too much ?
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>>101198367

Which is fucking retarded. Zero audience would be... "Why doesn't he kung-fu fight this dude?"

You're worrying over the Azoth dagger and a fodder character like Tokiomi when the VAST majority of the audience wouldn't fucking know why Kotomine is acting so retarded and weak.
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>>101198264
I don't think that should matter. HF Shirou never wanted to go against his ideal.
Which is why he tried not to compromise it, contrary to the Mind of Steel end.
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>>101198276
I'm pretty annoyed they didn't use Avalon with Saber. It felt like such a waste of potential, I mean I saw the Rule Breaker coming a mile away, since they'd gone through all the trouble of having Shirou see it before Caster kicked the bucket and all.

There's also the fact that Shirou can project a Caladbolg II against Saber and still get the Normal ending. What it really boils down to, is that Shirou doesn't want to die any more; he's afraid of death again. Which is also what makes me lose any and all interest in him.
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>>101198328
I'm not sure you're correct there. They might try to get the other person to stop or cooperate with police to get them arrested or something, but straight up murdering them? That's a bit far for most people.
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>>101198338
Most of what you're talking about are physical things. Kotomine's martial arts and Sakura and Rin's sisterhood aren't themes in the story. Shirou's distortion is something that's most heavily addressed in Unlimited Blade Works, and it has nothing to do with any of the themes presented in Fate/Zero either. The Grail's corruption also isn't a theme.

I'm talking about story and character themes, symbolism. Things that aren't concrete, but are expressed through the characters' words and actions, through the narrative.
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I want to see EMIYA's life animated
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>>101198391
Go write a fanfic faggot.
Fate isn't about everyone getting a happy ending. The WHOLE message is that you can't save everyone or did you miss that?
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>>101198379
Tits too big.

Absolutely disgusting.
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>>101198374
I'm pretty sure your average police officer would turn their family member in if they were a serial killer targeting dozens of men, women, and children. Never mind the billions Dark Sakura could have killed.
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>Shirou is just a clone at the end of HF

Welp.
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>>101195639
>>101195269
I am guessing it's mostly going to come down to Shirou having to encounter his past, the theory of his future demise, as well as the actual scenario theorized of his future demise.
Instead of just one of them, like it's in the respective routes of the VN.

In Fate Shirou encounters his past in the basement of the Church, and struggles with his survival guilt among other things.
In UBW, Archer challenges Shirou with the theory of his future.
In HF, Shirou struggles with the struggles Archer warned him about in UBW.

For this adaptation I wouldn't be surprised if he goes through all the above in one way or another.
And if anything, I wouldn't expect many other changes than it.
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>>101198419
>"Why doesn't he kung-fu fight this dude?"
He's spend the last decade with Liquid Misanthropy(TM) filling in for the bullet hole that used to be his heart. His days of being full-on Catholic Batman are long gone.
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>>101198419
Well it does strike me as odd that he doesn't use his Kung Fu when he fights Shirou as he did in HF. He even lets Shirou stab him and THEN punch.
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>>101198453
>Sakura and Rin's sisterhood aren't themes in the story

Neither is Saber's failure then.

>Kotomine's martial arts

Fate Kotomine and FZ Kotomine appear like vastly different characters. It AFFECTS character presentation of the main antagonist, you hopeless Saberfag.

They want to continue and keep on Zero stuff. They can't have the character who was show to beat the crap out and pull black keys throwing mud to a teenager in the final battle.

Kotomine is FAR more important for Shirou's story than Saber is. He's his alter ego foil.
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>>101198470
Why do people need to force these stupid route wars? Can't we just sit down and discuss the relative merits of each one like mature adulpffffffffff
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>>101198470

Reminder that Archer has "housechores" as his likes and "superhero stuff" as dislikes. Kerry ruined him.
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>>101198530
Why are you so hostile?
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>Zouken and Angra Manyu in F/Z anime
>no Zouken and Angra Manyu in FSN/UBW
That's all. HF
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>>101198529
He let nothing. Shirou just busted through all the evils in the world(noted to be the third best in killing humans after the spider and the dog) AND projected a fucking Noble Phantasm.

Even kung fu catholic priests can get completely taken off guard.
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>>101198529

I find funny as fuck this Saberfag is trying to dress up his butthurt pretending that Azoth dagger is oh so more relevant than Kirei's entire fighting style preference in a climax.

Yeah, because the audience would be wondering "why doesn't he kill him with the dagger this due kill rin's father with?!" as their prime concern.

It's not even Rin who kills him, so the 'revenge' is moot.
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>>101198442
>hey might try to get the other person to stop or cooperate with police to get them arrested or something,
this isn't a possibility

>but straight up murdering them? That's a bit far for most people

if you heard a news report about whole families being murdered and you knew it was your wife/husband that did it and that they would do it again the next night and you are the only one who can stop them what would you do?
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>>101198615
Fuckin' Primate Murder.
Why does Gaia have to be such an asshole.
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>>101198652
>if you heard a news report about whole families being murdered and you knew it was your wife/husband that did it and that they would do it again the next night and you are the only one who can stop them what would you do?

I am probably not a good person to ask this question. My husbando is Kotomine and I'd die before I did something that hurt him.
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>>101198367
>In the actual novel, he just throws grail mud around.
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>>101198685
She's pissed due to our raping her for all her resources and leaving her with pollution as her STD. Primate Murder is her ULTIMATE white blood cell for the human virus.
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>>101198623
I don't buy the revenge angle because Tokiomi is the least redeemable character in the series. I challenge anyone to name a character from Fate who more evil than this man.
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>>101198632
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ufotable was destined for Type Moon. This will be a once in a lifetime anime event, and I hope it brings out the best in /a/ when it airs
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>>101198623
Not everyone who debates Kotomine's relevance and HF is a Saberfag. You're the ones on the defensive.
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>>101198794
>bring out the best in /a/
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But Kirei is born evil yet he's entertaining.
Tokiomi is just shit, though.
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>>101198794
Yeah, judging from all the shit-slinging in this thread ("Saberfags", "HF-fags", etc), I highly doubt that. Type-Moon has a shitty fanbase.
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>>101198840
Meant for >>101198757
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Just a quick question:

How many of you were here back when the first FSN anime aired?
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>>101196891
>these faggots again
Fuck off. You've had three threads full of people telling you why you're wrong all afternoon.
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>>101194245
Geh by the looks of things their gonna Market to the F/Zfags.
>No Unlimited Blade Works(-)
Nigga newly made F/SN fags will complain about hurr durr what the fuck is Archer's Identity
>No Nine Lives Blade Works(-)
Explains itself
>No Wormslut being a Wormslut(+)
Possibly the only good thing, shinji did his work in Fate.
>No Kirei Fight
Nigga if your gonna answer F/Zfags you gotta have Shirou vs Kotomine at HF's End.
They should adapt every route in like 12 Episode s then at the end of a route have a screen hinting the next route like the VN, after whats said and done have Last Episode an OVA or some shit like that and as a extra treat have some alternate endings (UBW Normal(Best end I might add)/HF Normal/Mind Of Steel/Sparks liner High) on Bluray as extras.
>inb4 Ufotable's one is as worse as DEEN's which i highly doubt, just expecting a subtle trainwreck.
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>>101194763
Or, since we think anime original, it could be that angry manjew makes an appearance in f s/n. The tears will be delicious
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>秋
Are you fucking kidding?
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>>101198757
>Tokiomi is the least redeemable character in the series

Oh come on, the guy is kinda clueless, but the worst thing he did was giving away Sakura, and he did that because he didn't want her to stand in Rin's shadow.

Now that completely backfired, but he's obviously unaware of just how badly she's abused by her new family. If Kariya had actually explained things by the time they met, he'd probably have gone to rescue his daughter.
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>>101198840
Kirie is born evil but tries his hardest to be good even though it's impossible for him. Tokiomi wasn't born evil yet lives only for his pride. Even characters like Zouken aren't truly evil.
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>>101198873
NOSTALGIA ONLINE
FATE/ HYPE CHARGING: 28%
INITIATE PRIMARY SEQUENCE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy_xbXIJ898
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>>101198615
>noted to be the third best in killing humans
It's this thing. Shirou busted through grail mud not angry manjew
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Huh?
YOU MUST NOT GO OUT OF THE BATH
UNTIL YOU ARE DROWNED AND DIE.

TO wwwww !vdno1Iii/ & twintailfag !qxAIRixRu2

>目的はOPの改変ではなく、「パンツ屋」の排除だ。目的のために手段を選ぶべきでない。

YOUR BUTTHURT SO FUCK DELICIOUS

SO CALLED SIEGFRIED.
ASSBURGE TROLL FUCK BUMPED THIS SHIT THREAD.
DA THREAD GONNA DESTROYED.
THE STUPID CHILDREN IN DA'THREAD OUGHT TO BE MURDERED.

WHENEVER RETARD TROLL UNDER THE ASSUMED JAPANESE BUMPS A THREAD, IMMA BOUND TO APPEAR.

SMASH DOUCHES.

SO CALLED SIEGFRIED.
ASSBURGE TROLL FUCK BUMPED THIS SHIT THREAD.
DA THREAD GONNA DESTROYED.
THE STUPID CHILDREN IN DA'THREAD OUGHT TO BE MURDERED.

WHENEVER RETARD TROLL UNDER THE ASSUMED JAPANESE BUMPS A THREAD, IMMA BOUND TO APPEAR.

SMASH DOUCHES.

SO CALLED SIEGFRIED.
ASSBURGE TROLL FUCK BUMPED THIS SHIT THREAD.
DA THREAD GONNA DESTROYED.
THE STUPID CHILDREN IN DA'THREAD OUGHT TO BE MURDERED.

WHENEVER RETARD TROLL UNDER THE ASSUMED JAPANESE BUMPS A THREAD, IMMA BOUND TO APPEAR.

SMASH DOUCHES.

SO CALLED SIEGFRIED.
ASSBURGE TROLL FUCK BUMPED THIS SHIT THREAD.
DA THREAD GONNA DESTROYED.
THE STUPID CHILDREN IN DA'THREAD OUGHT TO BE MURDERED.

WHENEVER RETARD TROLL UNDER THE ASSUMED JAPANESE BUMPS A THREAD, IMMA BOUND TO APPEAR.

SMASH DOUCHES.
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>>101198954
Welp, I'm not going anywhere for a few hours.

Mou ikkai~!
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>>101198840
>Tokiomi is just shit, though.

This is a bit off-topic, but it blows my mind to know that he has fans. Tokiomi is bland as fuck and he hardly does anything in F/Z but hide in a basement and make awful decisions. And yet just the other day ufotable posted a valentine they received in the mail from London addressed to him. Somebody cared enough about Tokiomi to send a valentine halfway around the world for him. How does that happen? What did he ever do to deserve that sort of affection? I just don't understand.
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>>101198938
There is no way the head of the Tohsaka family was unaware how the Matou family magic works. Even Sakura had a vague idea.
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>>101198953
It's less an issue of pride and more an issue of being a Magus.

As a Magus, his decision was the correct one. That's how he was raised. Ironically, among the heads of the three families, he was probably the least evil, at least according to Zelretch.
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>>101198900
You seriously think they're doing a Fate/Zero sequel without a Kirei fight? Anyway, given Archer's prominence on the poster I find it highly doubtful that Archer's identity won't be important, especially if they're going full Kerry-despair-mode with Shirou's development and the Fate Zero tone.
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>>101198865
Shitflinging aside I find TM threads consistently have good discussion about the routes and various intricacies of the works amongst all the bashing. There's almost always at least some intelligent discussion happening
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>>101198977
The mud kills human beings effortlessly as well. Rin is walking on top of it and she's scared shitless in UBW.
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>>101199004
Women are attracted to power, wealth and prestige, things Tokiomi has in abundance, and things that you will never have.
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>>101198873
It amuses me that CCC fulfilled the prophecy of this image.
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>>101199026
I've grown a considerably thicker skin since I've become a Fatefag. The shitflinging and trolling can get pretty intense.

Still worth it.
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>>101199028
Kirei and Kiritsugu survived few years with mud inside them. It's not that good
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>>101199044
>and things that you will never have

Could be worse. I could be Tokiomi.
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>>101199050
I remember the butthurt threads before CCC came out.

"Just give him a shirt!"
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>>101199020
Well If they are doing Fate then, we get no Full Kerry Despair mode.
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>>101199026
> There's almost always at least some intelligent discussion happening

>powerlevels
>WHERE'S MY ROUTE
>m-muh waifu
>MY FAVOURITE ROUTE IS BETTER THAN YOURS

No, this fanbase is absolute cancer.
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>>101199026
And a lot of that intelligent discussion often ends up with at least someone shitting on it.

The problem is that you can't be sympathetic to any one route without someone accusing you of being a [route]fag, and if you try to be objective about it, people will probably accuse you of being a [route]fag anyway.

And while I know shit like that will always inevitably end up happening, it's still mildly discouraging to know that a truly civil conversation where someone isn't constantly baring their fangs is pretty much completely beyond this fanbase.
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>>101199079
Kiritsugu had Avalon inside him and he still died, Kirei was revived by it.
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>>101194245
>Medea with the bone soldiers
Sure as shit don't remember those in HF.
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>>101199107
You know you love it.
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>>101199125
>Kiritsugu had Avalon inside him and he still died
Than what did he give to Shirou?
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>>101199125
>Kiritsugu had Avalon inside him and he still died,
Kiritsugu crammed it into Shirou. He died without it.
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>>101199079
Kirei was reborn from the mud and the mud doesn't affect him because he is inherently evil.

Kiritsugu was only alive by force of will.

Obviously magi have some resistance to its effects.
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Why doesn't Rin die years later after walking around in the grail mud for 5 minutes?
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>>101199163
Pretty goodamn accurate besides for all the wormslut and sakurafish threads around.
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>>101199168
>>101199171
Exactly. He came in contact with the mud and then because he gave up Avalon he ended up dying from the after effects.
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>>101199114
As always, just ignore anyone that isn't bringing anything useful to the discussion. I find it hard to believe anyone that truly likes FSN doesn't appreciate every route, even if they have their own preferences about them. Honestly the differences between each route is part of what makes them so interesting to me in the first place.
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>>101199003
Dah comrade

>>101199060
Keep the faith, brother
UFOtable shall bring a second coming of the great round tables of old
And the eyes of the secondaries shall open in awe, and they shall see that it is good
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>>101199212
Maybe she will
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>>101199212
Because it was a happily ever after ending.
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im looking forward to Mtsp doujin with saber new outfit
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>>101199235
>24 hours
>168 hours
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>>101199163
>78.9%

How far we've come.
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>>101199163
It's like I'm reliving every Fate thread all over again.
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>>101199227
Mud kill people yes but what I mean is AM>>>>>>>Grali mud at killing humans
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>>101199260
It's still around that.
>he thinks non-validated lines count
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>>101199212
Iirc she was walking on top of it, since the mud was under the water.

She still had a jewels worth of protection that did fuck all, on top of her willpower staving the worst off.
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>>101194582
Why does Rin have an ahoge now? Every Type Moon is slowly become Saber.
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>>101199260
>99.5% atm Verified+Unverified
Pretty far, thats like a 3 year difference
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>>101199241
>Mtsp doujin

you mean havens feel?
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>>101194619
>he wouldn't do the GIRRLS DON'T FIGHT HURR
>wanted to show Shirou complexity.

So they're making it up?
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>>101199260
78.91% I guess.
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>>101199234
That's part of the issue. Sometimes people might have perfectly valid points but STILL bare their fangs. Even those who contribute can be dicks, and that's truer for no fandom more than this one.

Talking about Type-Moon can get really un-fun at times, all too often. It's depressing.
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>>101199310
A little more than that.
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>>101199241
Those faces are a huge boner killer. Even Hisashi Hirai can draw better than him.
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>>101199280
Yes, absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that the mud was the only thing that AM could do, just that because it's flowing from him it's SUPER EFFECTIVE CRITICAL HIT against humans.
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>>101199282
There was even less validated back then. We've still made a lot of progress.

>>101199293
100%, actually. The last few lines were translated about a day or so ago. I'd show you, but the site is down.
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>>101199289
I'm pretty sure she was at least ankle deep in it and like you said the jewels did nothing.
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>>101199260
>>101199293
>>101199333
>>101199344
Mate...
http://vntls.org/project/fate-hollow-ataraxia/
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>>101199404
http://seiba.us.to/entrans/main.php is where you should be looking. Like I said, though, the site is down right now.
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>>101199345
Yeah, just re-checked. Ankle deep and she swallowed two jewels which did fuck all.

Willpower is the only thing that really staves it off. Well, that and a massive ego a la Gil.
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>read Hollow/Atraxia years ago
>it's mostly slice of life shit, not at all what Fate fans like
>it's pretty mediocre throughout
>all these people thinking its going to be good
>they waited years for nothing
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>>101199404
Huh, missed the memo that Mahoutsukai no Yoru was actually just waiting editing. That'll fill some hours for me.
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>>101199457
If it's at least as good as Kagetsu Tohya then I'm willing to wait for it.
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>>101199428
>is where you should be looking
No it isn't. If you knew anything about the VN translation community beyond your shitty TypeMoon circlejerk, you'd know VNTLS is the most reliable resource out there.
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>>101199457
Don't worry about it, we have low standards. Pretty mediocre describes Fate/Stay Night perfectly.
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Lets just face it F/HA will never be completely translated.

>And back then I thought that it would take longer for me to learn nip than for F/HA to get translated
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>>101199485
Kagetsu Tohya was god awful but F/HA is even worse
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>>101199457
>it's mostly slice of life shit, not at all what Fate fans like
But that's exactly what I like.
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>>101199457
It does have some nice scenes, like the Archer vs. Saber, but there's a reason why Mirror Moon didn't translate it after finishing FSN.
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>>101199489
How would VNTLS be more reliable when it comes to information about HA's progress than the actual site that's handling HA's translation?
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>>101199319
I guess so. I still think it's worth sifting through, because there really is just so much to discuss in the first place.

Just do your best to contribute to discussion rather than making it shit for everyone I suppose.
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>>101199457
>read Hollow/Atraxia years ago
lier
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>>101199428
The validated figure is the most important one, moron. It's 74%
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>>101199489
>checking a community hub for progress instead of directly going to the translator's site
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>>101199489
And if you knew anything about the F/HA translation, you'd realize that's the site where all the scripts and translations are hosted which has the most up-to-date status of the project. That VNTLS page hasn't been updated in almost two weeks. The translation hit 100% just about a day ago.
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>>101199531
Because VNTLS is moron-usable unlike tlwiki's site where people just look at the "translated" figure and think it's accurate when they don't realise the entire thing is machine translated by a dozen different people and still needs to be validated.
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>>101199516
Well what do you expect when you try to combine the endings all multiple routes. It's a colossal fucking mess that feels like it was written as a fanfic.
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>>101199549
And? I never said it wasn't important. I was correcting the guy who said it was at 99.5%.
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>>101199457
Figured that had to be the case. It's Fate, so you'd expect a quick translation, but no one gave a shit about finishing the project, so I figured that it must be so mediocre that even its brand name couldn't up the team's hype.
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>>101199555
>>101199558
See
>>101199549
>>101199578
Retards.
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>>101199503
Its taking roughly 4 years now? Tsukihime's took an entire 6 years if i'm not mistaken.
>>101199428
Ohohoho thanks for the link sucks its down tho, however lurking on the Translator's forums they're planning to rip the voices from Vita's HA, gonna take a few extra years i'm guessing
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>>101199457
Nasuverse has been diluted by lazy spin-off writing and fandisc sequels. It's has one of the weakest canons I've ever seen.
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>>101199609
How is that at all relevant?
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>>101199609
What fucking morons do you take us for?
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>>101198757
Tokiomi was a proud man, and a proud father. Perhaps not the brightest person, but he was supposedly very knowledgeable as well as methodological.
He loved his family. His wife, and his children.

Ironically, that's even the reason why he gave Sakura up. Because he loved her. The irony lies in the fact that if he was a more negligible father and or one that didn't love his children as much as he did, he would have most likely never even bothered to send her away.

It was crooked for sure, and the end results wasn't anywhere close to what was desired.
But the twisted thing is that Tokiomi acted out of love.

In the end he practically ruined Sakura, while also essentially scarring Rin, but it's still easy to see how Rin could love him despite it all.
Sakura's case is tougher, but it's implied she didn't condemn her family either despite how she feels being sent away was unforgivable.

Tokiomi is far from the least redeemable character in the series. His biggest flaw was his adept inability to see behind the faces of those around him without being clouded by his own misconceptions influenced by his own assumptions.
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>>101199457
I'm not the biggest fan of FSN personally but I thought FHA in general, or at least for the serious moments, was better written than FSN, especially the banter between Avenger and Karen was great.
It's pretty uneven though in general, the humor especially is more miss than hit, the one scene I found funny was the Sakura's room scene with Shinji but this one was obviously not written by Nasu.

Fate/Extra and especially CCC actually have much better writing than FSN which is kind of funny though F/E kind of get dull with its middle point, Mahoyo too has much more refined writing but kind of go nowhere plot-wise.
Hopefully Nasu will release a title with the scale of FSN since he isn't a shit writer anymore (he isn't great either but he has become passable), one day
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>>101199648
I prefer the "But Daaaaad, he's got a Reality Marble we're going to keep secret! / ... WELCOME TO THE FAMILY SON!" version
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>>101199742
"...Come along son, I want to show you my Workshop."
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>>101199742
I would actually want to see that one. Anyone?
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>>101199664
He is under the impression that his daughters will only be fulfilled if they can become successful magi. Was the seriously no other household that would take a daughter of the Tohsaka bloodline, she had no chance with the Matou household because Zouken has no intention of making her a legitimate magi.
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>>101199770
MY EYES! THEY BURN!!
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>>101199775
That sounds like a euphemism and it's really disturbing me.
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>>101199713
Does he even have time to write a whole VN like he did back in the day when he was poor as fuck?
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>>101199809
There was also the fact that their families were old allies(outside of a grail war that is) and had since ages been working together.
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>>101199742
If Rin did that Tokiomi will get a hard on and will try to dissect Shirou
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>>101199713
Haven't played Extra or CCC, but if this is true, this bodes well for the quality of the new route Nasu's writing.
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>>101199648
>Tsukihime's took an entire 6 years if i'm not mistaken.
Translation started in 2003 and was finished in 2006
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>>101199853
Reminds me of this Raita doujin.
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>>101199742
Tokiomi would cut Shirou up the first chance he got. Wouldn't even hand him over to the association.
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>>101199853
Tokiomi is a slut anyway.

>>101199648
Does Sakura and Caren have their own version of meet the parent?
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>>101199809
Tokiomi genuinely believed that the Matou would treat Sakura like royalty. The Matou clan was pretty much dead as a magus lineage, and Sakura was like an oasis in an endless desert. Tokiomi thought that the Matou could give her everything he couldn't. He honestly believed that the Matou were the key to Sakura's future happiness.

It's sad, but a running theme in Fate/Zero seems to be that parents are truly blind to the plights of their children.
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>>101199902
Ah, Melancholic Automaton.
Raita is the shit.
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Rin, who reeeeaaally likes Shirou, has to reign in her magus curiosity and annoyance whenever Shirou talks about his projection magecraft.

Shirou notes that she gets this weird look on her face every time he does.
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>>101199954
Reign in my ass.

She actually says that she wants to kill him at times just because he says something that offends her magus sensibilities
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>>101199891
Geh, what was I thinking no way it could of started the year it was released..ahaha..Funny Tsukihime is like 155mb
>>101199916
Errr, Sakura's one would be Tokiyomi if all the shit never went down, and Shirou did meet Zouken...Caren...Kirei would be happy if it was Mind of Steel Shirou.
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How does the Magi association have ranks at all when they put sealing orders on magi that show high levels of talent? Do they just ignore their hgih ranking members or something?
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>>101199301
i mean this
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>>101200027
The key is to show off how awesome you are without letting on that you're TOO awesome.

Or be Wizard Marshall Zelretch. Yeah, I'd like to see anyone try to seal HIM.
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>>101199954
I thought that was just because she was jealous that an amateur could o such high level magic.
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>>101200068
Nope. She's pissed off because everything about Shirou is completely fucking wrong as a magus.
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>>101199770
>clamp

holy shit kill it! kill it with fire!
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>>101200027
It's not like being a Master in Spiritual Evocation nets you a Sealing Designation. You need to do something unique, something no one else could possibly recreate to get one.

Of course, politics play a big part as well, and even if you do get a Sealing Designation if you're high enough on the food chain you can live out your life fairly comfortably and safely as long as you never leave the Clock Tower.
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>>101200066
Politics probably plays a big part too; you're less likely to be dissected if you come from a respected family with lots of influence than if you're some high schooler.
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>>101200068
Nah, he flips the rules upside down and then kicks them out of the window as far as Rin is concerned. In Fate she thinks he might be somehow using a degraded version of the first True Magic because the shit he does is so illogical.
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>>101194614
Can't fucking wait

Was not exactly HF but it is doing something new/changed instead so it should be good as they are focusing on all four children of the previous war.
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>>101200108
Leave Clock Tower or actually step outside the headquaters?
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>>101200157
I think it's the headquarters, though it's possible they could just create an off-site safehouse as well.

Just as long as you stay in custody, basically.
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So who is objectively the main villain of the Nasuverse?
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>>101200381
Gaia.

Bitch wants everyone dead.
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>>101200381
Pull who you want, I'd say Gaia or The Church really.
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>>101200381
Tokiomi.
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>>101200448
>No rider love arrow for shirou
I despise your chart
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>>101200381
The Types? Gaia, Crison Moon?

Or maybe the Undead Apostles?
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>>101200529
And there's no Shirou/Sakura love arrow when he's always in love with her.
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>>101200448
>that chart

Goddammit Nasu
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>>101200647
>when he's always in love with her.
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>>101194245
>Assassin
Confirmed for not HF
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>>101200529
>no Ayako love for Shirou

Truly a shit chart.
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>>101200381
Akasha
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>>101200691
He doesn't fall in love with her in HF, he just realizes that he already loves her.
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>>101200707
Neither are in love with him though
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my fucking dick
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>>101200647
>he's always in love with her.
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>>101200381
Nasu because he always do shit things to best servant lancer
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>>101200734
Shut up and let me pretend.
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>>101200647
Fear the Friendzone arrow
>>101200529
Its incomplete cuz I'd argue The Luvia love arrow to Shirou And the Tokie first time arrow to Shiki
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>>101200731
Which is just a way of saying he fall in love with her.

But fine, fine. I find that train of thought hilarious with how easily NTR'd Sakura is then.
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>>101200735
Welp...
A-rank Riding ability...
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Guys, what if the route they're doing is Fate/EMIYA?
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>>101200814
Shirou is a slut, always.
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>>101200832
I will go to Japan, marry Nasu and give him all my money.
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So 6th Holy Grail war then?
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>>101200832
I hope not. As a huge Archerfag, I prefer him having a mysterious and vague background, especially since he scorns his own past.

Also, Nasu seems real keen on making him worse with everything he does reveal. CCC made him a huge slut.
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>>101200832
Is there a lot of Kotomine in Fate/EMIYA? If so, I'm in.
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>>101200877
>taking Fujoshi material seriously
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>>101200877
Please, anon. He's always been a huge slut.
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>>101200832
>Fate/EMIYA
people die when they are killed anon
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>>101200935
Absolutely.
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>>101200917
>CCC
>fujoshi
I don't even.
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>>101200832
This is what I'm hoping for. A route that finally shows us Shirou's development into EMIYA, with large amounts of Ilya, as well.
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>>101200920
He was pure according to FSN. He only had one lover, never cheated on her, no hitting on random girls. He didn't even fuck Saber, Rin or Sakura.
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>>101200975
I'm male and Archer makes my heart go doki doki. Does this make me a fujoshi?
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>>101200832
if you meen how HGW from Archer timeline then nope, Archer is present in previews
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>>101201007
>with large amounts of Ilya, as well.
>liking worst master
disgusting
Ilya a shit
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>>101201017
That's just love, anon.
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>>101201013
Wasn't the first Extra where the bit about him having a lover came from? I guess Nasu really has been making him look lewder every time he shows up.
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>>101201033
You're crossing a line there, anon. Ilya a best.
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>>101201017
No. It makes you GAR for Archer. This is standard reaction towards all appearances of Garcher.
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>>101200832
If you mean HGW from Archer timeline then nope, Archer is present in previews
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>>101201033
Don't make me fight you.
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>>101200914
In Fate/EMIYA Kotomine is assraped badly by shirou protecting Illya thus saving her from becoming a greater grail however she dies 5 years later due to Hurr Durr Homuculus then on her deathbed she spilled the beans about being his sister causing EMIYA to realize the Incestious plunders of the 5 years and promises to become a Superhero thus Illya summoning Grail-kun to give Shirou The "SUPERHERO CREATION KIT" and afterwards hurr durr Counterguardian and Shirou's ideals erode over millions of years of Time Travel. At least he didn't die a Virgin.
>True End: LAST EPISODE.
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>>101201078
No, it was in FSN, UBW, one of those dreams Rin had about Archer's past.
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>>101201017
As a male, you can never be any kind of joshi.
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>>101201074
Oh, that's good.

>>101201078
No, I'm pretty sure a lover was mentioned in UBW. I could go look it up if you want.
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>>101201022
Archer is summoned in every timeline. Rin only has one artefact she uses to summon a Servant and that pendant's number 1 priority is always EMIYA.
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>>101201085
>>101201093
come on anons, everybody knows that Ilya a shit, dont fall for her moe eyes she a shit
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>>101201131
Wasn't it implied to be Rin?
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>>101201110
>>101201131
Oh. Then he was at least a little lewd from the start.
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>>101201113
You can if you have a pure maiden's heart.
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>>101194334
That's like the least tear inducing route
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>>101201158
No. Rin was the one watching that scene, I'm sure she would recognize herself.
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>>101201145
There must be point zero where there was no Archer yet
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>>101201098
What?
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>>101201158
Not that I know. Personally I think it's either Rin or Luvia.
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>>101201210
There doesn't. Heroic spirits exist outside time.
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>continuing fate/zero
Mind of steel confirmed.
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>>101201182
Maybe he means tears from everybody who doesn't want Fate.
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>>101201210
Heroic Spirits can be drawn from past, present and future. Hence why Archer is even summoned in the first place.

EMIYA route is just a branch in Fs/n's storyline that's never explored by the reader.
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>>101201246
Please let this be true anon.
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>>101201210
Not if Fate is operating on a stable time loop (someone goes back to the past and causes the event that results in their present).
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>>101201110
>>101201131
I don't remember this at all. Anyone care to post a screencap? The PC I had F/SN in died back 2009.
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>>101201335
How can there be Archer recorded as CG if there was no timeline where he made a pact?
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>>101200871
Nope. Grail got dismantled after F/SN.
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>>101201450
>>101201391
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>>101199954
He's a heretic, and she gets annoyed because this is obvious as crap after a five minute conversation. Any normal magus would kill and dissect him on the spot if the found out what he was

He doesn't actually use projection magic; actual projection magic just takes an object and puts a fake layer over it to look like a very similar object, but at most it can only act like that object in name for a ritual. What he's doing is pulling shit out of thin air that has hundreds of times his own mana. This is because he doesn't know projection, but rather there's only one magecraft he honestly knows in the end. The only thing he can do is use his reality marble.
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>>101201147
Shittiest taste on the board. Go back to your shithole. >>>/v/
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Okay, found it. Day 6 in UBW, first scene "A Story".

Rin mentions he had a lover, but nothing more.
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>>101201493
In stable time loop you can't chenge anything so all routes would be Fate/Emiya. That's not a case because we know that (Archer) Shirou fucked up his arm with his first projection
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>>101201514
Yes, yes. We know this. No reason to recite the textbook.

Though he can use regular projection, like with the "empty" items in his warehouse. It's just that since they're such good quality they don't fade.

Regular projection being a freeform while his advanced version using his traced blueprint.
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>>101201577
>>101201435
please?
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>>101201671
Gimme a sec, then.
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>>101201577
Its Fuji-nee or Rin's friend from F/Z who's almost as unforgettable as Satsuki
If not go ask Nasu he'd probly know.
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>>101201450
Alternate timelines happen concurrently, not in any particular sequence.

Archer also doesn't cause Shirou's transformation into EMIYA in his original timeline, so Grandfather Paradox doesn't apply.
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Not the most elegant of stitches but I wanted to get more than just the one screen.
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>>101201828
Thanks, anon.
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Is it truly Fate route? Looking through this thread it seem nothing is actually confirmed.
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>>101201828
This is before she knows he's Emiya right?

Because if she actually saw his friends, she should have recognized some, if not most, of Shirou's friends. Since she didn't, she may only have seen silhouettes or something, so it still doesn't discard Rin as the lover (or any other girl, for that matter).

Or maybe she saw everything and decided to stay quiet about it.
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>>101201936
You have the correct impression. We still have no idea what route(s) they're adapting. Doesn't stop people from claiming the contrary based on absolutely nothing, though.
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>>101202101
Too bad I don't understand japanese and have to lurk around these threads, they are always a mess.
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>>101202098
I assume those friends were red scarf Shirou's friends, not the ones from his high school days.
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>>101198917
>Avenger animated
All of my yes.
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>>101200735
Is this from the TM-Ace volume?
Who are the artists?



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