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Is Anime inferior to Manga?
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>>101182039
Can you read? Then probably.

It's really hard to compare though, even though a lot of stories get released in both formats.

Is pudding inferior to pistols?
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>>101182461
Yes.
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I think they are both great entertainment mediums that I enjoy.
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>>101182524
Are you kidding? Pudding would be atomized by a pistol and with it's soft sweat transient nature, pudding would never be able to do anything against it.
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>>101182461
Well, I can't eat a pistol.
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So is this an epic new meme now?
http://archive.foolz.us/a/search/text/Is%20anime%20inferior%20to%20manga/type/op/
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>>101182635
You could eat something you shot with it.
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>>101182702
You are going to eat that pudding after you shoot it?
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>>101182613
You're proving my point for me anon.
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>>101182461
How much pudding and how many pistols? Pistols are generally worth more per pound.
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>>101182756
That's called "having your cake and eating it"
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>>101182818
But pudding can be chocolate
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>>101182039
Yes. Of course both are vastly inferior to live-action film and books.

Anime is too commercialized to be good. It's really not that different from video games. It's slightly better with manga, but unfortunately many independent manga artists are hacks who draw only porn.
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>>101182979
Anything can be chocolate.
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I like motion and audio
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>>101183106
>live-action film
Live action films are just animated films without the beautiful hand drawn art.
>books
Manga are books. If you meant novels, then I would like to point out that manga is all of that and (sometimes) beautiful line art.
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>>101183160
Sure, but anime rarely do something interesting with both.
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>>101183212
And? I'm not talking about potential. I'm talking aboout reality. Which medium is more mature, which has more good works, which is treated more seriously and so on.
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>>101183233
That's not true. We get it once in a while.
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>>101182461
best thread derail I've seen lately
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>>101183312
>rarely
>once in a while
Sure. I'm not saying that anime is completely devoid of creativity.
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>>101183297
>mature
Who cares?
>which has more good works?
Also irrelevant.
>treated more seriously
An even more stupid criteria.
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>>101183391
I didn't take those to be equivalent statements obviously.
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>>101183135
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>>101182461
Actually it's more like pudding vs. jell-o
pudding has better static frames, but jell-o can actually move and usually more color
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>>101183415
>Who cares
People with taste who enjoy good entertainment.
>Also irrelevant
No?
>An even more stupid criteria
Not really. When people don't treat your medium seriously then even the authors produce mostly juvenile works.
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>>101182461
If I wasn't in town right now I'd go outside and take some pictures of some pudding getting shot. You know, for SCIENCE.
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>>101183502
>juvenile
Juvenile isn't necessarily bad and mature isn't necessarily good.
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Are movies inferior to books?
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>>101183641

Can you read? Then probably.

It's really hard to compare though, even though a lot of stories get released in both formats.

Are M&Ms inferior to agent orange?
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>>101183641
Movies - no. Film as a medium? Yes.
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>>101183723
I can't read
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>>101183135
The question is....can anything be pudding?
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>>101182039
Depends on the story. Some manga work much better as manga, some would be better animated. Some are dead even, with each format having their own strengths suits.

Too broad a brush is too broad. You've gotta drill down.
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>>101182461
Man I could go for some chocolate pudding now
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>>101183765
This is the funniest thread on /a/ right now, but it feels WAY too off topic.
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>>101182461
Ah gee, that's actually really though.
I mean, on one hand, I really do love pistols, but on another, pudding is just great.

Oh, I know! I can you at gunpoint and steal your pudding!
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>>101183800
No. Pudding does not posses the necessary rigidity.
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>>101183641
That's different since books usually don't have pictures.
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>>101183876
I don't have any pudding. I have a lot of pistols though.

>>101183723
>Are M&Ms inferior to agent orange?
As a killing device? Not really. M&Ms are dangerous. I know someone who choked to death on one.
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>>101183641
of course
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Pudding gives me gas and reading is for weenies.
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>>101184007
This is rather silly.
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>>101183822
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>>101183995
You should use those pistols to acquire pudding.
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>>101184007
Well duh. Books have literally been around for centuries and all you need is a lot of paper and ink.
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Depending on the faithfulness of the adaptation, sometimes anime is just manga with color, in-between frames and sound. It would be much easier and faster to read the manga version though. It's a trade-off between quality of experience and quantity. See: Monster.

Also, if you don't read Japanese, then subbed anime will give you a better idea of things than a scanlated manga.
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>>101184007
Movies contain less depth than books, but anime does not contain less depth than manga.
Bit of a stupid comparison. Manga and anime have the same depth in terms of the medium's potential for story, setting and character development, one is just more visually and audibly enjoyable than the other.
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>>101184235
>movies contain less depth than books
It depends.
>Manga and anime have the same depth in terms of the medium's potential for story
Nonsense. Making anime is far more expensive than making manga. Most anime looks like shit because of small budget.
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>>101184235
>one is just more visually and audibly enjoyable than the other.
Manga?
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Anime is superior to manga.
Reason being that anime adaption of manga range from good to bad but all manga adaption of anime suck.
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>>101184209
But black and white line are is more beautiful then cell shaded animation. Don't disagree with me; I have pudding & a pistol.
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>>101184404
It doesn't make any sense. It means that most original anime suck dick, and manga overall has more better works.
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>>101184404
>manga adaption of anime suck.
This is an illusion caused by the fact that all anime have to suck so much.
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>>101184026
Reading actual books (not fanfic/comics/manga) is great. It's one hobby that I think everyone should have.
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>>101184026
You read with your dick!!
That's fucking amazing.
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>>101184532
This anon speaks the truth. I'd go as far as to say that books are superior to both pudding and pistols.
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>>101182039
Yes and I've got two words to back it up. Production Costs.
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anime has much better animation in general
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Seriously though, if I had to pick one and sacrifice the other forever, I'd pick pistols in the bat of an eye.
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>>101184833
It's hard to animate shit in manga.
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>>101184532
If you are well-versed in literature and film I really doubt it's possible to enjoy most anime.

Take this season for example. There is nothing there. Nothing with a good story, interesting characters, interesting visuals or even good music.

I watched 29 shows from this season. I can's say I enjoyed any of them and I'm certainly not well-versed in literature or film (but I'm working on it).
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>>101184833
>*except for One Punch Man
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>>101183135
Two chocolate grenades, delicious
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>>101184062
Older is better
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>>101184532
Reading (books that is) isn't something that should be a hobby (though sadly it seems to be heading in that direction these days, I blame the schools).

A certain type or genre of books purely for entertainment/pleasure perhaps, but reading to extract information is a fundamental activity on par with exercise and personal hygiene IMO.

Then again I was homeschooled through high school and read through both the encyclopedia and dictionary multiple times for fun, so maybe I'm biased.
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>>101184872
This, pistols are too good.
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>>101184989
I'm sure we are talking about fiction and novels.
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>>101184934
>If you are well-versed in literature and film I really doubt it's possible to enjoy most anime.
Having experienced good things shouldn't make your life more drab and harder to enjoy. If it does then it means you are a stuck up uppity cunt.

Also I think this is my favorite season since 2008.
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>>101184872
I'll take sub machine guns.
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>>101185055
It's harder to enjoy low quality works. And anime certainly isn't that good.
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>>101184934
I've been a bookworm since 4th grade but I still enjoy anime. Just because this one thing was better doesn't mean others can't also be enjoyable in their own right.
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>>101184934
That's silly. They fulfill completely distinct needs. Beautiful and creative animation, for one, belongs to anime/cartoons by definition, regardless of the quality of the story. And even if we you want to talk about content instead of form, I've yet to find a book or movie that can make me feel as relaxed and heartwarmed as some slice of life anime can.

>>101184989
I half agree. Reading books is a great hobby, and even acquiring knowledge from non-fiction can be a pleasant experience, but it's certainly a habit that should be cultivated better either way. The same goes for debating. In our daily life we mostly make small talk around banalities and rarely find the chance to engage in logical argumentation with others. That's one thing I really appreciate about 4chan, actually. It's easy to get a discussion going.
But yeah, I think those activities are essential and it's a pity our culture disregards them so much. We are sort of being dumbed down as a species.
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I like anime better
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>>101185844
>Beautiful and creative animation
We are talking about TV anime.
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>>101186143
It still exists, just in smaller doses.
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>>101186143
It happens. And anyway, no one said it was limited to TV.
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>>101182461
It's a combination some people really like.
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Indie entertainment is the future.

Hollywood is already dead, TV anime formulaic as shit, big budget games appeal only to retards.
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>>101186349
I really hope you're right.
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>>101184934
So you're looking for the same thing in both mediums? That might explain it. Using this season as an example, Tonari no Seki-kun or Robot Girls Z fulfills different desires from Invisible Man or The Master and Margarita. I can enjoy both. You sound like you want an entire season of Millenium Actresses, Tsumiki no Ies and Angel's Eggs. Not everything aspires to break new intellectual ground, and I'm fine with that.

tl;dr: Change your outlook.
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Anime I've seen that have improved on its source material:
Azumanga Daioh
Cromartie High
Death Note
Hajime no Ippo
PSG
Sora no Otoshimono
Usagi Drop
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>>101186673
+Gintama

Tried reading the manga once. It just didn't work.
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>>101186536
>You sound like you want an entire season of Millenium Actresses, Tsumiki no Ies and Angel's Eggs.
One or two anime like that per season would be enough.
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>>101186312
Is that glass what to cut your guts up with?
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>>101186673
>Thinking anime Ippo is better than the manga
Shit taste.
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>>101186349
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/07/30/anime-adaptations-of-five-mg-bunko-j-series-planned

Sure.
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>>101186769
You'll get your due next season with Ping Pong and Mushishi. What, you expect a constant minimum? You don't get literary masterpieces published every year, do you?
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>>101186858
Especially for the first series, you're talking out of your ass. The only problem with the Ippo adaptation is the slow pacing, which didn't become an issue until Champion Road. Even then it's an exceptional adaptation.
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>>101184400
>Manga
>audibly enjoyable
No. That's not how this works.
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>>101187288
I enjoy the quiet.
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Anime is manga for faggots that can't read at all. Manga is books for faggots that can hardly read.
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Anime needs more realistic stories. They are usually more interesting and gripping. I'm not even talking about real serious drama, just something about real human beings, without robots, retarded humour and super powers.

Something about gangsters, wars, adventures, etc.
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>>101187890
Black Lagoon?
Though it has it's moments of over the top action (though this is meant to allude to 80's and 90's action flicks)
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>>101187890
>Anime needs more realistic stories
Don't be stupid. Non-supernatural anime comes out all the time. Your typical piece of moeshit, for example.
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>>101187890
>without robots
But I liked Eve no Jikan ;_;
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>>101187975
>without retarded humour
Most 'moe' anime are sitcoms. I don't know, I believe that something like The Sopranos would be pretty popular even among otaku.
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TV anime is shit. there have been perhaps a half-dozen NON-shit anime that showed on tv.

movies, on the other hand, is where the actual directors, animators, budget, imagination, innovation, themes, and artists go.

sometimes I can't believe this is an entire board of people reading the equivalent of dime-store comics and weekly 20-minute bursts of motion. do you people not know you are wallowing in filth.
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Anime, manga, light novels, and visual novels all have their own good points and bad points that make each one good in different situations.
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>half a dozen

uhh

Do you even watch anime? Something tells me you haven't seen much, or at least anything pre- 2000
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>>101188249

Meant to reply to this faglord

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>>101182039
Well anime has the benefit of color, sound, and animation, but manga usually tend to do the story and sometimes the pacing better also they can afford to have a lot of detail and more words or a thicker dialogue

anime with the addition of sound, color and movement can still be garbage in comparison to the same manga

I'ver read more manga than I've seen anime, but that might be a time thing as well. I can put away a few volumes an hour, while only 3 episodes, if I rush
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>>101187890
Anime and animation in general can never depict realism as convincingly as life action since animations is a purely imaginative process. I'm not saying that realism in anime is bad but personally I only go for realism in live action. I have never seen anime depict realism as well as live action. There is always some element of the surreal or some distortion of reality.
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>>101188430
>I can put away a few volumes an hour
Bullshit.
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>>101188566
With an action manga? Something not too wordy? Sure. Rereading all of SnK took me maybe 2 hours.
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>>101188566
Plenty of people can read fast. I can do 50 volumes in 12 hours if I don't stop to cook anything and they aren't wall of text things.
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>>101188566
If the art is simple and the dialogue is sparse, I don't see why not. Though for most stuff you'd have to skim through text and details to read at that pace. I think I usually take about an hour per volume, on average.
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The manga translation scene is inferior to anime's. Rarely in anime are you forced to download a batch of different translation teams' work with drastically varying translation quality.
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>>101188684
>>101188780
That makes more sense.

>>101188738
I say this as someone who reads stupidly fast and even I don't go through bulk volumes in an hour.
Then again, I'm also a shoujo/joseifag so most of my stuff is text heavy.
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>>101188462
Sure, but it's easier to empathize with character if they act like real human beings. Look at all these Oda Nobunaga anime. They are always over the top and ridiculous. I can't help but think that a show about real Nobunaga would be much better than all this gender bend, mecha nonsense.

Same with other shows. Nisekoi would be much better as a real crime flick, Pilot's Love Song as a show about real pilots (during for example WW1 or WW2) and so on.

I'm not saying that all anime should be realistic, but it seems like they don't even want to try.
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>>101188780
I read every volume of Bleach in an hour.
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>>101188860
>Show airs for 3 to 6 months
>Compared to something that comes out for years on in about the same story
Gee, I wonder why anime has less translator group issues on a single series?
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>>101185844
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>>101188895
That's a volume per minute. Three or four pages per second. I would hardly call that reading.
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The amount of effort that goes into making anime exceeds that of manga by a million times.

Anybody and their mother can be mangaka.
Anime requires a huge coordinated effort.
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>>101189025
That doesn't say crap about quality though.
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>>101189025
>Anybody and their mother can be mangaka.
Oh wow.
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>>101189080
Yes it does. You can appreciate it just for the effort that went into it. A shit series you don't like can be redeemed by the fact that it looks pretty, or has great animation, or good music, etc.
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>>101189080
very true, and with things like pupa, I mean shit, I could make that
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>>101189134
Keep appreciating turds like Guilty Crown and Kyoukai no Kanata because of the OMG PRETTY LIGHTS.
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>>101189241
GC was excellent in all areas except for the story
Don't be a retard please
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>>101189241
with a thing like KnK if you made me choose the anime or manga with roughly the same plot I'd pick the anime every time. You may be dumbing it down a bit but at least it was nice to look at.
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>>101187039
>The only problem with the Ippo adaptation is the slow pacing, which didn't become an issue until Champion Road. Even then it's an exceptional adaptation.

The same Champion's Road that completely omitted Kenta Kobashi's and Hayami Ryuuichi Jr. featherweight title match and possibility of either character ever being mentioned in the series again?

Fuck you and the Ippo anime.

The only time to Ippo anime was amazing was when it the producers were arsed the follow the source material, which is why both New Challenger and Rising are terrible adaptations.
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Novels > VN > LN > Manga > Anime

Also happens to correspond to the level of censorship each medium has (generally speaking, anyway)
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>>101189462
>VN and LNs higher than anything
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>>101189462
>VN
>good
Please.
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anime has color, movement, and sound

it's objectively better
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>>101189346
>The same Champion's Road that completely omitted Kenta Kobashi's and Hayami Ryuuichi Jr. featherweight title match and possibility of either character ever being mentioned in the series again?

i cry errytim

Motherfuckers didn't even get a passing reference in Rising, when doing so would have at least put Ippo vs. Sawamura in perspective.

Rising is on a roll with dropping character-defining subplots though, so it shouldn't be surprising Kenta didn't make. Same with based Imai "Itagaki is my bitch forever" Kyosuke.

Also, as stupid as the detached retina subplot of Takamura vs. Eagle was, while reading, it still made that match worth reading, outside of hating Takamura for being a complete douche and David being a dumbass goody-goody.
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>>101189462
Actually correct order coming through.
Novels > Manga > Anime > VN > LN
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>>101189346
>Kenta Kobashi vs Hayami Ryuuichi Jr.
Hmm...

Yup, I don't give a shit.
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>>101189586
>Motherfuckers didn't even get a passing reference in Rising, when doing so would have at least put Ippo vs. Sawamura in perspective.
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>Rising is on a roll with dropping character-defining subplots though, so it shouldn't be surprising Kenta didn't make. Same with based Imai "Itagaki is my bitch forever" Kyosuke.
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>Also, as stupid as the detached retina subplot of Takamura vs. Eagle was, while reading, it still made that match worth reading, outside of hating Takamura for being a complete douche and David being a dumbass goody-goody.

I dropped Rising after how shitty they handled Sawamura's characterization. They don't give a shit about what made Ippo an amazing series (the characters), it's just them trying to cheaply churn out as many matches as possible.
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>>101189544
>>101189631
Deal with it, EOP.
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>>101189639
>Hmm...
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>Yup, I don't give a shit.

>Being proud of having shit taste.

Typical anime-only watcher faggotry.
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>>101188886
And one more thing. I don't know why people think that it wouldn't work. Realistic setting and characters work perfectly well in manga. In fact works like Vagabond, Vinland Saga, Otoyomegatari are among the best manga.
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>>101189462
Why are LN adaptations more common than novel adaptations?
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>>101189772
Because anime is mainly targeted at the obsessive otaku market.
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>>101189772
I don't know, but if you're talking about 12 Kingdoms, SSY, LoGH, tatami galaxy, uchouten kazoku, of the stars, etc... type stuff, it's just faster to read the original.
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>>101189772
Because novels are too good for otaku.
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>>101189346
>and possibility of either character ever being mentioned in the series again?

There's no 'possibility'. By not having Kenta in Champion's Road, much less elaborating on Sanada's Junior Featherweight background, the anime adapation made it possible to completely remove those characters from the narrative entirely.

It's because of the above they were able to skip over the chapter where Kobashi shows up and gives an update about all his past opponents, if not the fact that Ippo himself is a lot more amazing that he ever gives himself credit for.

It's rather shitty skipping anything character-centric, as is, but it sucks even more when it's something that gives you some form of outside perspective on a character that's notorious for being as static as Makunouchi is.
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>>101189706
I have no problem with the fight, I just don't think it's a deal breaker that it's missing.

I did watch the anime first (pre-New Challenger) before I read the manga start, so maybe that changes my perspective.

I'm usually a huge mangafag, but Ippo is still one of my exceptions.
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>>101189875
>There's no 'possibility'. By not having Kenta in Champion's Road, much less elaborating on Sanada's Junior Featherweight background, the anime adapation made it possible to completely remove those characters from the narrative entirely.

Yep, this is also makes it easy for them to drop the detached retina subplot from Takamura vs. Eagle, since Ippo wouldn't seek out Sanada for medical advise.

>>101189586
>Also, as stupid as the detached retina subplot of Takamura vs. Eagle was, while reading, it still made that match worth reading, outside of hating Takamura for being a complete douche and David being a dumbass goody-goody.

Though Morikawa didn't do anything with that subplot then, it's likely Takamura does has some built up damage. Even the part where Ippo tests his vision was less semi-vague since Takamura could have just as easily memorized the magazine Ippo used. It's a stupid decision to skip that build, since it's there to give the watcher a reason to give a shit about Takamura winning, since the entire build has painted him to being a complete asshole. Though, ultimately the worrying was all Ippo and Miyata and just served to build on Takamura's and Ippo's connection as 'brothers' something Takamura himself mentions literally 500+ chapters later during the Kojima match.
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No, but anime adaptations are definitely inferior, and that happens to make up 90% of the anime that airs in a given season.
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>>101189696
Do you really think LNs should be ranked higher than manga or anime, though? I won't comment on VNs since that's entirely alien to me.
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>>101190072
>drop the detached retina subplot
Looks like they're pursuing it so far.
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>>101190182
Visual Novels are basically dating sim games with shoehorned plot.
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>>101190182
For LNs, Manga, and Anime it's entirely up to the individual work, to be honest.

But If you're thinking about stuff like haganai as representative as LNs, then I can see where you're coming from. but I'm more interested in stuff like Schwartzesmarken, Yahari, Kino, Zaregoto, Gekkou, etc...

VNs are great because writers are free to do everything that's taboo in more mainstream stuff like LNs, Manga, and anime and a lot more time is given to world build and let you get to know the characters. It's common to see 50-60 hour games, and even 100+ for a series isn't anything special.
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>>101190265
A pity 99% of them decide to use the branching plot system, which has shitloads of potential, for the exact same thing. There could be a market for war VNs where you play soldiers, murder mystery VNs, action thriller VNs...
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>>101190007
>I did watch the anime first (pre-New Challenger) before I read the manga start, so maybe that changes my perspective.
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>I'm usually a huge mangafag, but Ippo is still one of my exceptions.

I got into Ippo through the anime (New Challenger), actually. So when I went back and actually read the manga during the lull between seasons.

Stuff like them removing Black Aoki and Ippo's interest in boxing paralleling Tyson's I can forgive, but omitting matches between the secondary characters is a deal-breaker for me, especially when characters like Kenta were so well-written I found myself rooting for him against Ippo.

>>101190186
>Looks like they're pursuing it so far.

Nah. They skipped it. Miyata calls Ippo about Takamura's reaction shortly after the training camp is over, while Ippo and the others were over at his house watching footage of David Eagle's last title defense, from where Ippo worries and recalls Takamura complaints about a mosquito bothering him, from there goes to first Kumi for advice, then Sanada, then finally confronts Takamura about it, which happens before Takamura challenges Yagi to a fishing competition again.

Episode 16 was Eagle's introduction, which comes after Ippo confronts Takamura about his vision and episode 17 is going to be the start of Aokimura's joke matches, then Miyata's OPBF title match. In this instance there's literally no where those chapters could have been adapted, since they only have 25 episodes for Rising.
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>>101190496
I mentally file Phoenix Wright as VN. It had about the same reading-to-button-pressing ratio.
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>>101190655
>Miyata calls Ippo about Takamura's reaction shortly after the training camp is over, while Ippo and the others were over at his house watching footage of David Eagle's last title defense, from where Ippo worries and recalls Takamura complaints about a mosquito bothering him, from there goes to first Kumi for advice, then Sanada, then finally confronts Takamura about it

I've always hated how Morikawa touches on shit like this, but doesn't go anything with it.

Then again, shit like Sendo having motionless punches were brought back literally out of nowhere 400+ chapters later during his spar with Miyata, so I wouldn't call foul on Mori just yet about Takamura, especially since it looks like we'll be getting some information on whoever the fuck is the Super Middle-weight champion is after the Gonzales match.

It's highly likely Takamura will start showing some form of damage during his next world title challenge, since it would technically be him reaching the half-way point to his goal of conquering six weight classes.
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>>101190449
>VNs are great because writers are free to do everything that's taboo in more mainstream stuff like LNs, Manga, and anime
Yes, shitty porn. Amazing. Grow up.
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>>101191092
I'll just assume you read moon, right?
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>>101191092
If that's what you want to believe, that's fine. I meant story-wise, though.

But 95% of the games I play have close to no erotic content, or they're very few in number.
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>>101190072
>Yep, this is also makes it easy for them to drop the detached retina subplot from Takamura vs. Eagle, since Ippo wouldn't seek out Sanada for medical advise.

I actually liked the detached retina storyline, since it actually happens a lot to real-life boxers. The author of Ippo handled it tastefully too and drove home the point about how short and fleeting boxers careers are. I also remember Ippo being so consume for worry over Takamura that he almost got into a fist-fight with a drunk faggot that looked like Shinoda.

The confrontation between Ippo and Takamura was pretty damn tense too, especially with how it's played straight with Ippo flat-out stating he would have Kamogawa cancel the world title match if Taka's eyes were fucked up.
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>>101191134
Yup, same excuse as always. All good VN are untranslated.
>MuvLuv is the best VN ever!
>they translated it and it's pretty ridiculous and mediocre
Every time.
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>>101191176
>story wise
Oh, you're talking about visual novels exploring Japanese atrocities during WW2? Because this is clearly taboo.
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>is <medium> better than <medium>
No, and neither is it worse. It's always about what you do with it.
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>>101182039
Nope. 99% of anime is just a very expensive commercial to sell print media, CD's, and figures. The anime is usually toned down if there is any 'objectionable' content in the manga in order to appeal to a larger audience and the stories seldom have a satisfying conclusion. Can't risk ending a show that sells 30,000 bd's. No room for sequel!
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oh my god how many times have we had this thread.

sit down and shut up faggots its objective opinions time

The average manga is better than the average anime, but the best anime is better than the best manga
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>>101182039
Not inherently and not always, but the manga industry is generally more vibrant and allows for more varied works to be created. It also has a greater amount of new and interesting creators entering the sphere, at least these days.
Pudding is way better than pistols and if you disagree, you're a massive faggot.
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>>101191278
Well, at least I'm pretty confident in saying you don't understand Japanese now.

It's taboo if you consider a subject with multiple best sellers about it is taboo.
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>>101191409
>the best anime is better than the best manga
What is the best anime, then? And the best manga?
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>>101191520
>multiple best sellers
Visual novels, right?
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>>101191577
Whatever feeds your delusion.
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>>101191613
Delusions? Again, name all those visual novel masterpieces about Japanese war crimes.
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>>101191409
>but the best anime is better than the best manga
Because you prefer TV while I like line art and text.
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>>101191409
>the best anime is better than the best manga
one piece is still better on manga
berserk is still better on manga
but I can see where you are coming from

you could have just said some manga are better than some anime and vice versa as well as adapted manga to anime some are good some are not.

like Welcome to the NHK is a good adapted anime based of the LN and way better than the manga
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>>101182039
Objectively, it is.

Also, animefaggots are the cancer that have killed /a/.
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>>101191409
Sure, there are so many anime like Solanin, Vagabond, Lone Wolf and Cub, Nausicaa (the movie isn't even close to manga), Berserk, Vinland Saga, Planetes (again, manga is better), Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou (even Aria isn't as good as this), Blame, etc.
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>>101191660
What are you even talking about? They're best selling novels.

悪魔の飽食 新版 (1983), 昭和史の謎を追う (1999), 謀略のクロスロード―帝銀事件捜査と731部隊, 謀略のクロスロード―帝銀事件捜査と731部隊 (2002), etc...

Why the hell would anybody make a videogame of any kind about your own countries war crimes? How many bestselling german videogames about Nazis? How many bestselling American games are about diseased blankets given to native Americans? How many bestselling UK games are about the horrors of the industrial revolution?

It's not fun, it won't sell as a game. But novels sell.
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>>101191841
You're talking about visual novels broaching a taboo subject. I don't care about novels.
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>>101191841
>games
Visual novels are more like shitty books than games.
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>>101191966
Are you fucking dense?

It's not a taboo subject, it fucking sells novels fine. (Fiction)

It's not an interesting subject for videogames. (nonfiction)

Christ, I'm done wasting my time in this thread.
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>>101192026
>VNs are great because writers are free to do everything that's taboo in more mainstream stuff like LNs, Manga, and anime
>I meant story-wise
Please, give me examples.
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>>101183502
>>>/lit/
And I'd rather cut my balls off than watch most of the awful shit that is modern cinema.
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Anime made with an original idea thought for anime is great.
Manga thought to be manga is great.

Manga based in anime are usually terrible and anime based on manga are usually terrible too, with a very few exceptions.
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>>101182039
No. It's like saying Film is inferior to Literature. They both do different things and work entirely different in how you judge them.
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>>101188062
>The Sopranos
muh nigga
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>>101189536
>implying VN and LN aren't the ultimate forms of media
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I find it hard to tell what's going on in manga

Maybe I read it too fast or I'm retarded or something
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>>101186673
>Anime I've seen that have improved on its source material:
>Death note

You're kidding, right?
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Most of the time I prefer manga. There are a few series that I think benefit from being animated, though. Mononoke for example.
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don't care

still going to read manga more than watch anime. Manga is a lot more convenient
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>>101182461
>one protects your loved one
>one boost their happiness

can't boost happiness if dead so I'm going with pistol
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>>101182647
Just some guy trying to start shit out of boredom

nothing new on 4chan
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>>101189772
easier to contain in 12-25 episodes
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>>101187890
live action is better at portraying reality
but animation is better at portraying fiction
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>>101182461
>one kills you and your loved ones
>one makes you fat

I pick neither.
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>>101198932
We are talking exclusively about fiction here, though I think you used those words without thinking. Realistic fiction is still fiction.

Yeah, live action is generally better for hyper-realism, but even if you want to make a story without any fantastic elements, animation might still be a good choice because it can be expressionist. Pic very much related.
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Anything that is more expensive to produce must therefore be designed to appeal to a more general audience. You can call it pandering to children and plebs, but it's a fact of industry. With rare exception, works that cater to a smaller and more specific audience tend to be of higher quality and the exceptions are nuanced masterpieces that work on multiple levels.

One also has to consider that the voice of a single author is always stronger than that of works designed by committee. As a parallel, look at Valve games in comparison to those with a single writer and director. It may not be a singular voice you agree with; but no one gives a fuck about the choir if the soloist is shit.

So, as a product of the industry and the difference in the creative process itself, anime can reach the broadest audience and obtain a very high overall level of quality, but it's at the expense of what a single uncompromised voice is capable of. The whole does not equal the sum of it's parts. Auteur theory in action. If an exception to this happens, it's a miracle.

>tl;dr buzzword version.
Anime has to pander to plebs, network censors, and the almighty dollar and can't be on the level of a work written by an author pandering to the 6 people who also happen to be into slightly overweight furry NEETs trying to share an apartment, much less appeal to people who read books and expect at least an attempt at something on that level.
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Yes, but anime is more popular.
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>Medaka Box manga
wildly popular and regarded as being in the upper echelons of shounen
>Medaka Box anime
one of the lowest selling series in the past decade
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>>101201191
>wildly popular and regarded as being in the upper echelons of shounen
neither of those are true
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>>101201166
manga is more popular in Japan
anime is more popular in America

dunno about the countries of Europe

I like to think part of the reason why there's more variety in manga is because Japan cares more about manga than they do anime.
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>>101182039

no
/thread
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>>101203506
>/threading your own post
Typical animefag scum.
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>>101203536
how do you know he's a burgerlander
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>>101203411
>I like to think part of the reason why there's more variety in manga is because Japan cares more about manga than they do anime.
Or maybe it has to do with the fact that manga takes one person and maybe a couple of assistants to produce while anime involves a lot more people, work and budget.
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ITT: newfriends who don't know about Rugganigger.
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>>101203573
misread animefag for amerifat
fucken /int/
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>>101203598
And crossboarding scum from /v/.
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>>101203592
I like to think it's both.

Like most of the reasons why they don't have all the manga you like being produced constantly is because the populous already reads manga more, so why waste money animating it?
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>>101203618
meh might as well be
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>>101203648
Most /a/ manga outside of the usual shounen are in niche publications with minuscule circulation. The readership is too small to support an anime. It's not that they like manga more, it's that it would be suicide to animate it because animation is for kids, families, and the occasional otaku.
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>>101203892
/a/ is a board from an American website, so naturally anime is more popular than manga here.

In Japan it's the reverse manga are most accepted and anime is the niche genre.
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>>101203965
Maybe it's because America is allergic to reading.
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>>101203965
It's like you didn't read what I said. Out of 300,000,000 people, only 100,000 or so are reading any given manga at most. Turn that into an anime, and you're out millions of dollars and your company is ruined. The only reason otakushit is even produced is because autists will pay out the ass for 70 dollar dvds and figurines where you can see camel toe.

It has nothing to do with popularity, it's that they don't have the demographics to support anything but the most popular manga adaptations or shit that will push merch.
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I prefer manga over anime, but I think that some anime is better than manga due to the animation of certain parts of the story.

Seeing fights and stuff animated is pretty awesome.
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>>101204550
What I mean to say, is that unless the popularity of a manga is on the level of a national craze, it's nowhere near enough to support an anime.
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Anime has the tools to be better, mostly the OST that mangas doesn't have.

The problem is that anime is usually used to boost the LN/Manga sales thus it's inferior to the source material.

Original anime greatly surpass any manga you can name.

Also the greatest genre is VN because it combines every good thing of both
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>>101204749
>Also the greatest genre is VN because it combines every good thing of both
Except for, you know, dynamic sequental art.

>Original anime greatly surpass any manga you can name.
Sometimes it's near the same level. Sometimes.

I'll give you everything else, though.
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>>101204681
I feel a lot of comedies and SoL also benefit from being adapted to anime, be it because of VAs, art improvement, pretty animation, music, or whatever. K-On!, Nichijou, Nichibros, Yuyushiki or Love Lab are some examples.
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>>101204749
What's the best (in your opinion) manga you've read?
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>>101205221
>just listening to the official OST

best reading experience EVER
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>>101205221

20th century boys, Monster, Hoshi no Samidare, I don't really have a favorite, reading manga is a waste of time when there are VNs
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>>101205403
>VNs

alright, now I know you're joking

at least Manga has some artistic merit and is respectable to an extent
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>>101205403
I've yet to find a VN that captures any aspect of good sequential art.
Also, there are VNs that aren't relationshit or homoshit?
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>>101205509
>to an extent
Just because they're comics does not mean they necessarily have to be less respected than literature or whatever the fuck else.
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>>101186673
>Anime I've seen that have improved on its source material:
>Azumanga Daioh
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>>101205509
>>101205538

Please if you've only read Katawa Shoujo don't judge VNs, you're just clueless about good VNs.
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>>101205403
>reading manga is a waste of time when there are VNs
You're fucking retarded.

>>101205538
>Also, there are VNs that aren't relationshit or homoshit?
You too.
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>>101205847
My moon isn't quite ready for 信天翁航海録, but ones that that are an exception. I did enjoy the brocation that was 漏れなつ, but really I was asking for some specific VNs that you enjoyed and place above manga for their ART and writing.
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>>101205847
I've done a handful of VNs and none of them would I ever consider recommending as something worthwhile

the medium itself is flawed and hold a narrative back with the limited art and text
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>>101206101
That's not an inherent flaw of the medium, just a common characteristic in its typical works. In theory, you can write a very dynamic narrative with lots of quality art, if you have the time, resources and talent.
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>>101206286
Other than the choose-your-own-adventure aspect, few with those three things would choose to waste it on a medium where recognition, popularity, and cash flow is scarce.
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>>101206286
that's more what I meant, like I don't doubt you could write an amazing and impressive VN, but everything I have ever read has been formulamatic, and unimaginitive/not creative
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>>101206398
>recognition, popularity, and cash flow
So, as I said, not an inherent flaw. Just situational.
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>all this badmouthing about VNs and shit

Eh, l blame the fact that /a/ lost the habit of reading them, it has been a while since we started getting new shit and the whole "it's not /a/ related" that some mods were trying to stir up pretty much killed it, aside from that l think that manga>anime pretty much always since l like reading shit that wasn't made to pander to the most autistic fanbase, and if you don't go for the easy yurishit or harem route, your anime if pretty much guaranteed to flop.
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>>101206513
What VNs did you read?
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>>101206608
It's not that they lost lost the habit of reading them, it's that as the site grew the number of EOPs increased. Not to mention the majority of things translated are faptrash and most of the quality work loses it's appeal in english or is too difficult for unpaid amateurs to translate properly. Like all written mediums, the nuance and use language itself plays a big role and a compelling narrative is only a small part of the equation.
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>>101206608
I blame the fact that there's not enough translated. Yes, it requires a lot of effort, but the fact still remains that VN translations take a long time. Also, /a/ does discuss VNs, but they have their own threads and don't spread out.
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>>101206608
I've got nothing against VNs, I just think the format that you have to build it around is very limiting to how the story can be told
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>>101187890
Fuck you, we need MORE robots.

I'm still waiting for that near-futuristic robot anime Robotics;Notes left me wanting.
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>>101205221
duh
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>>101189772
Only half right.

Novels>VN>Manga>Anime>>>>>>LN

VNs are objectively the best and most versatile literary medium though. I'm still hoping more good writers get into making them.
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>>101207288
Good literature doesn't need pictures, and at least it's not the selling point of LNs.
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>>101207288
not they aren't
you're stuck in a first person perspective with limited ways of moving the story.
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>>101199497
Yeah well, no fantasy doesn't mean realistic. Kaiji is very over the top and wouldn't be as good in live action as its anime counterpart
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It depends. For example, the Madoka manga doesn't even come close to the anime
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>>101207430
>Good literature doesn't need pictures
Then you do away with the pictures, you can leave the branching plot system and the music/voices/OST. And just because pictures aren't needed it doesn't mean they aren't welcome.
>the selling point of LNs.
The selling point of LNs is pandering.

>>101207444
>you're stuck in a first person perspective
Why? There's no reason you can't hava a VN as an omniscient viewer other than your preconceptions.

>limited ways of moving the story.
As opposed to none in every other non-interactive medium?

And if you're talking about advancing the plot, I don't see what books would have that VNs lack.

I did say the most versatile, people.
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>>101207609
Actually, it did get a live-action movie. But you already knew this.
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>>101207759
Yep, I heard they added a romantic subplot too, not even gonna bother with it
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>>101204550
those 300 mil don't actually matter since they are of another country that won't be introduced to it unless it's popular in the anime's home country.

unless they pirate

only immediate area is Japan where manga is the more accepted
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You are all posting in a ruggerell thread., you do know that right?
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>>101208799
I'm talking manga. The 300mil is the population of japan. The rest of the world isn't paying for most of it and the ones that are don't effect what what is made into anime in any way.

The point was that manga being made into anime has little to do with what japan prefers more do do with what will sell like crazy to the largest number of people. It has nothing to do with whether it's accepted, only if it well sell.
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>>101209209
>The 300mil is the population of japan

You know people don't know what they are talking about when they believe Japan has 300 million people.
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>>101209306
sorry about that, 120~ million. I was thinking of something else at the time.
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Right now, I'd say yes.

Anime is pretty shit at the moment, manga isn't great but hasn't changed all that much so wins by default.

TV anime is a waste of time, OVAs and movies are where it's at right now.
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>>101182039
Absolutely
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>>101209172
Yes. And it's been a relatively funny and civil thread. Feel free to read it before you try to alarm us next time.
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>>101209698
Still next time think twice about indulging him at all, it will just encourage him to make more of the damn things.
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>>101203645
And /a/sperger still holding their /v/oogeyman.
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>>101182461
>Pistol that shoots pudding
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People that argue that the medias are too different to judge like this are insane.
Manga is better, at everything. It expresses everything better than anime under all circumstances every time, forever, without exception.
Anime also has the weakness of always catering to the shittiest common denominator because of production costs, again, almost completely without exception



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