How about a shot for shot Eva remake with the proper ending?
That's what I thought Rebuild was going to be.
Why would it need a shot-for-shot remake?
I seriously hope you are not implying EoE was not a "proper ending"
EoE is the proper ending. TV end is shit tier.
then it would have different shots
Right, EoE is a proper ending.
___________"A" proper ending_______
Not best ending.
the tv series had the best ending
it was just so fucking happy
EoE was like, fuck.
they were one and the same.
>people seriously think EoE and 25/26 weren't just different parts of the same ending
>plebs who dont understand that they are entirely different
The series ended with fucking clip shows because they ran out of budget. EoE has a bunch of the same scenes, only they actually had the budget to animate them and fill in gaps.
Right after Shinji kills Kaworu, there is a huge gap in the story before Instrumentality starts, which EoE shows. How do people not see them as the same ending?
Because they didn't pay any attention.
Dead Misato and Tang'd Ritsuko were shown in the original 25/26.
it's listed as an alternative ending for a reason tards.
it's completely different.
So was Unit02 underwater.
6:32, episode 25.
But... it's not. All the same shit happens, and most of it doesn't even "happen" really, since most of the film is just random Instrumentality shit inside Shinji's mind. Just like episode 26.
7:39, episode 25.
In EoE, Rei crushes Gendo's glasses before betraying his plan.
Oh, she also has an introspective with herself during this part of ep 25, where Rei realizes that she's not simply human, and is afraid of realizing that identity.
We know what she ended up deciding, though, because we saw EoE.
Rei explicitly says she's being kept alive for Gendo's plans, and then she will be discarded and will face oblivion.
9:45, ep 25.
10:38, episode 25.
These posts would be better if you explained what your point is. Are you pointing out scenes that are different or inconsistent with EoE?
10:42, episode 25.
No, what I'm doing is going through and re-watching episode 25 for people like >>101189445 who insist that EoE and 25/26 had different things happen.
Exactly the same things happened, except there was no internal monologue in EoE, and 25/26 didn't focus on what was going on outside the characters' heads except a few scenes that wouldn't make sense unless you had already watched EoE.
25/26 were the internal monologue, but for some reason people miss that EoE and 25/26 happen concurrently, just from different perspectives.
But EoE IS best ending.
I don't know how you can watch 25/26 and EoE and deny that they are the same thing from different perspectives.
Like, it's literally spelled out for you. How daft can you be?
Wow Shinji, you look like shit.
But he wasn't wearing a plugsuit in EoE, so this scene is either a discontinuity or a flashback to his previous tanging.
Could be a flashback to when his mom absorbed him that one time?
Wow its listed as an alternate ending in the Japanese introduction this theory is another one of those fanwank bullshit thought up by western fans.
Exactly. EoE is just showing you scenes they couldn't afford to animate originally.
It's an attempt to make the ending as a whole just a little more coherent, but people only get more confused because they are morons.
Where is it listed as an alternate ending? Not even the wiki page confirms whether it is or not.
There's a reason after almost two decades we're still arguing about that shit.
That would imply EoE deviates from the original ending, which it does not. If it's an alternate ending, where is the "alternate" part?
Yui shows up in the middle of ep 26 too (before the Slice of Life bit, which is great).
This one's for you, man.
Admittedly, 25/26 are confusing in the sense that you don't have a clear picture of what's going on outside the minds of the characters. From the point of view of "characters dealing with their personal problems, like they have been for most of the show in addition to all this giant robot nonsense," 25/26 fit perfectly.
Actually, I changed my mind.
I'm going to post this image in every Eva thread I come across. It is a perfect summary of Eva threads in general
Are you implying EoE wasn't confusing?
You trying to have a go at me m8?
If you watch it assuming it's just the ending with more explanation and budget, it's much easier to follow, for me at least.
Have you ever tried to make sense of a weird dream? You can't. Your subconscious doesn't adhere to structure or logic. You aren't supposed to understand everything about the ending of Eva.
How could EoE and the TV ending be happening at the same time?
Wasn't the TV ending Shinji accepting instrumentality while Shinji rejects it in EoE? Why would Shinji be in that blue area if he was in tang and everyone else was in tang? Why would Kaworu not be there to congratulate him yet show up in EoE? Why would Shinji even remotely be happy about the end of the world? I don't recall him being as happy as he was in episodes 25/16 when he floated up to the surface of the sea of tang in the ending of EoE. Why would his mother need to advise him to find his happiness if he had already resolved himself in episodes 25/26?
There's too many holes in this theory to make me believe it.
There are two totally different THEMES going on in the TV ending and the EoE ending. Regardless if what and where they might physically take place in the plot.
Shinji is in two completely different emotional states and "comes to terms" (or lack of) with himself in different ways.
TV series is uplifting to Shinji and is mental illness. It's finally a good positive step in the right way for him. A "you just might be okay, keep moving forward," message. And one good for someone suffering depressing.
In EoE, is Shinji rejecting everyone and everything. He never comes to any terms with himself, not really. He accepts that the pain he feels in the real world, is worth living for and being hurt by. He lets go of his mother problems. But he has no real positive resolution, its basically: the world sucks and everyone around me sucks and only hurts me... but I can't live in a fantasy as much as I want to.
No I meant the image you posted, I just didn't have any other Eva-relevant pictures. Oops.
> TV ending Shinji accepting instrumentality
Nope. You completely miss the point of the dialogue and the imagery. Shinji rejects Instrumentality in both.
>Why would Shinji be in that blue area
That is Shinji assuring himself that he's made the right choice in the end.
> Why would Kaworu not be there to congratulate him yet show up in EoE
He doesn't. Kaworu is just another person to assure him that he's making the right choice, but never shows up to congratulate him in either.
>Why would Shinji even remotely be happy about the end of the world?
That's not the point at all. Shinji is never aware of what's actually happening in the world until One More Final, which isn't in TV end.
>Why would his mother need to advise him to find his happiness if he had already resolved himself in episodes 25/26?
They are not linear, they are concurrent.
can't stress this enough
There is, it's called ReTake.
Literally all the same events happen in both, you're just seeing parts in EoE that were missing in the show.
Instrumentality had several stages, not all of which were in the original ending. In EoE we see him trying to reject the world because he's built up a wall of excuses and bullshit, but after all of that he does eventually realize that life is worth living because experiencing pain and being rejected means he is alive, and he wants to keep being alive even if it means that he will suffer that rejection.
It's all part of the same eventuality, ie "Get the fuck over yourself and stop being a selfish baby, Shinji-kun."
You also have to take into account that the whole ending of Eva does not conform to our understanding of time. It could have been who-knows how long between becoming tang and Shinji waking up with Asuka. Logic and reality were, quite legitimately, tumbling down around them (because Shinji was always trying to reject reality)
Honestly, taking everything together, it's not hard to understand what's happening.
The angels are dead, so SEELE wants to start Instrumentality, but Gendo won't let them. Then Gendo wants to start Instrumentality, but Rei won't let him -- because she's had an inner monologue with herself and decided she's more than just the Rei that others see her as. Ritsuko gets shot by Gendo because she tries to stop Gendo too.
Meanwhile, Asuka goes from catharsis to torn to pieces.
Misato gets shot, then exploded.
Shinji gets in the fucking Eva, and decides to create a world with no personal boundaries. In this world, he deals with his self-loathing and insecurities, thanks to the other characters talking him through it.
Then he decides to stop hating himself, and destroys the world he has just created -- while his friends and family clap and congratulate him. His entire mental construct literally shatters and falls apart.
I disagree. He has doubts and says he'll be hurt again, but he definitely decides that he'll be happier without this kind of Instrumentality that (as he says) was also painful.
>He has doubts and says he'll be hurt again, but he definitely decides that he'll be happier without this kind of Instrumentality that (as he says) was also painful.
I didn't say he wouldn't be happier in the world would than Instrumentality but Shinji never seems to be able to accept other people in the end. Unlike the TV ending where he finally goes "YES I CAN LOVE MYSELF AND OTHERS" in EoE, its all about him and his pain until the very end. Even when he's talkin to Rei and Kaworu there, it's still about HIM and how he feels. Fuck, our final scene in the movie is him choking Asuka, still unable to accept people and is still afraid. (The fact he's probably insane by then aside, I'm talking symbolism only)
>tfw you could simulate any Eva thread with just EoE screencaps
I thought we decided like 10 years ago that episodes 25 and 26 were mostly in Shinji's head while EoE was mostly the physical events during this.
>Wasn't the TV ending Shinji accepting instrumentality
No the reason you see everyone accepting Shinji isn't because of instrumentality, it's because Shinjis perception of them has changed. The whole sol segment is there to tell Shinji that he isn't doomed to be sad and it's possible for him to be happy and that it's his mentality that can greatly affect how he sees the world. People aren't actually giving congratulations to shinji in the end, he is giving up his projection of self hatred he puts on others and choosing to move forward in life.
But I don't actually think EoE and 25/26 are the same, the way they handle each ending is way to different even if the events are similar.
>Nope. You completely miss the point of the dialogue and the imagery. Shinji rejects Instrumentality in both
Alright, then I've been mistaken.
>That is Shinji assuring himself that he's made the right choice in the end.
That still doesn't explain why he's in Lilith's egg with everyone else. He was also contemplating rejecting Instrumentality while he was there. Seems pretty redundant to have two scenes with similar premises but very different settings and tones to be concurrent. The TV ending didn't show him returning to Earth either.
>He doesn't. Kaworu is just another person to assure him that he's making the right choice
He does show up in EoE. And by this logic Maya, Aoba, and Hyuga shouldn't have been their either. Shinji had even less interaction with them than he did with Kaworu.
>That's not the point at all. Shinji is never aware of what's actually happening in the world until One More Final, which isn't in TV end.
Shinji is very much aware of the fact that there's shit happening in the outside world. He even saw GNR and GNK as well. GNK was the one to tang him in the first place.
>They are not linear, they are concurrent.
If they're concurrent, that scene with Yui didn't need to be there, then.
10 years ago people praised Re-take as good writing and storytelling.
Times of ignorance have changed.
About a year ago some people decided that the thing we had decided was true for good reason for the past many years was wrong and started a huge shitstorm complaining about it.
He never says he can love others in 25/26. It's all about him and his newfound desire to keep existing in the world.
As far as him choking Asuka, do you really think pre-Instrumentality Shinji would even try? No, pre-instrumentality shinji is a passive coward. Doesn't change the fact that he doesn't straight out kill Asuka, but he gets a B for effort. Who fucking knows, though. Borrow a page from the end of episode 26 and make your own truth.
>He does show up in EoE. And by this logic Maya, Aoba, and Hyuga shouldn't have been their either. Shinji had even less interaction with them than he did with Kaworu.
25/26 is Shinji dealing with the people he believes hate him. That includes Maya and the others, everyone he's in daily contact with at NERV and school. Kaworu already told him he loved him (the ONLY person in his life to do so) so Kaworu didn't need to be there anyway, cause Shinji doesn't need reformation on Kaworu's feelings for him.
Also, Kaworu wasn't Adam in the original TV series. He only was given a greater plot importance in the Director's Cut and EoE so that might also be another reason.
>deciding on anything
You should have known it wouldn't last.
I honestly don't give a fuck either. I'll stick to what Anno says if he hopefully gives out a couple of answers after 4.0
>That still doesn't explain why he's in Lilith's egg with everyone else.
Think about it if you combine EoE and EoTV. Eva 01 is sucked into Lilith in EoE, and the brunt of Shinji's introspection happens thereafter. Half way through episode 25 and all of 26 correspond to after Instrumentality starts, and you even get a n indicator of Instrumentality starting in 25, I think when Rei and Gendo meet up.
>The TV ending didn't show him returning to Earth either.
The only thing TV end is missing is One More Final, which is what has Shinji returning to Earth. That is the main thing added to the end, which shows the immediate consequences afterwards, where as TV end showed only Shinji's immediate reaction afterwards, not knowing what happened outside of his head.
>He does show up in EoE
I didn't say he didn't. Kaworu is just another person there to assure Shinji that he's making the right choice in EoE. To be honest, it could simply be that Anno didn't consider throwing Kaworu in during the series, but decided to put him in during EoE since it makes sense, what with Lilith absorbing Adam and all.
>Shinji is very much aware of the fact that there's shit happening in the outside world.
He knows that Instrumentality has started and that people are being taken away from reality, but not the actual state of the world. He gets no accurate view of the world until the very end, when he pops out of Lilith.
>that scene with Yui didn't need to be there, then.
Yui is, like many people in the end, just assuring Shinji that he's making the right choice.
The heady feeling of freedom good, or Don't Be.
>Half way through episode 25 and all of 26 correspond to after Instrumentality starts, and you even get a n indicator of Instrumentality starting in 25, I think when Rei and Gendo meet up.
Yes, see >>101190004
Immediately afterwards, you get pic related.
Why the fuck would you want this?
>There are people out there that still don't understand Evangelion
Seriously? It's all laid out there pretty clearly.
Rei won 2.22 never forget
Hasn't Gainax gotten enough of my money already?
implying I buy anything I watch
Khara gets all eva money now. Gainax is dead because of anno being a kike.
I thought Gainax still gets a credit at the very least?
they might get their name put on it. but they get no money.
Were all of EVA's intellectual properties retained by Anno? It'd be messy to split the past stuff between the studios otherwise.
Though, I had heard Anno keeps a vice grip on his meal ticket, not that you can blame him.
im pretty sure they let anno control it all because they never expected him to jew them so hard
The guy who regularly said: "Fuck you, I'll do as I damn well please," went off and did as he damn well pleased, the world is shocked.
Though, looking at the other anons interview clipping, you've got to admire how much Anno hates his fans and has absolutely zero fucks to give.
Anno is the hero anime needs.
>"I'm Surprised. In Japan the overwhelming favourite is Rei. They can't handle strong women such as Asuka or Misato"
Is anno fucking retarded?
asuka is the most broken whiny bitchy piece of shit ever put on screen and he's calling her strong?
Meanwhile Rei without bitching or moaning does what needs to be done and gets it done. Misato is half as strong as Rei as well, fucking retarded slut Misato always taking her self hate out on Shinji.
>Thinking Rei was anything more than a broken, Ctrl+C Ctrl+V soul, puppet herself
>Thinking Anno wasn't just shit-stirring to start with.
He's not depressed enough to shit out another masterpiece yet.
He's too consumed with hate for his fanbase.
>Most anime makers are basically autistic
>most anime makers are basically autistic
Din't bully Rei. She's a good girl, with feelings and everything. She has a lot of autism.
so pretentious anno
I prefer the 1995 visual stylings to those of the Rebuilds, though, so there is nothing to be gained from this.
He's not wrong.
Glad to see this thread is still going. I wanted to thank the guy taking screencaps but I fell asleep. Oh well.
Is it just me, or does Animator-kun look high as fuck.
Sometimes I imagine Yamakan, a serious looking adult in a suit, furiously animating his wugs all alone in an empty studio, and I laugh.
Yamakan is the hero we deserve.