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Reasons why Log Horizon renders Sword Art Online completely obsolete:

>Realistic MMO mechanics
>No fairy bullshit
>Intense and deep social predicaments involving politics and trade
>No overpowered kill all enemies in one hit shit
>Actual party strategy similar to actual MMOs
>Doesn't have a stupid love plot ruining half the anime
>MATURE ADULTS playing the characters, not edgy 16 year olds
>Thought provoking situation with the people of the land and the heroes memories

Please, remind me, why is Sword Shit Online even relevant?
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I'm tired of japanese premises not being explained though, like how the fuck they get stucked in a mmo in the first place, it's not better than titans at this point. Unless the ending is good is guess... Not the case in SAO
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>>101178889
>like how the fuck they get stucked in a mmo in the first place

That's explained already.
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>>101178889
Did you miss the entire World Fraction scene? While who cast it and how the world became a game is unknown, we could assume that there will be a solid explanation further down the road. It might not happen until a second season rolls through, or read the light novels, but I'm sure there will be a good explanation eventually.
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>>101178889
Mystery and intrigue is good thing in fiction you know.

It keeps you interested for a long time. It's what keeps One Piece still relevant after 10 years when all of its contemporaries has now devolved into a self-parodies.

Or you can just watch SAO where they explain it to you like you were ten.
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>>101181837
That's insulting you know, a common ten years old at least has a patient to follow a story and thinking what's going on in it.
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>>101181981
Not the 10-year olds I know.
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>Please, remind me, why is Sword Shit Online even relevant?

Because the edgy 16 year olds love it.
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>>101182053
How many 10 year olds do you know /a/non?
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>>101181837
>Or you can just watch SAO where they explain it to you like you were ten.
Clearly they don't explain it clear enough, considering people still ask "Why Did Kayaba Do That?"
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>>101182177
There is a difference between a genuine mystery and just plain poor writing.
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>>101182139
A lot.
Why? Is that weird?
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>>101177090
>reverse troll thread
I hope you anons aren't really gonna fall far this.
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>>101180271
>how the world became a game is unknown

World Fraction 2nd use (1st created the demis, 3rd locked them in the game)
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>>101177090

How did Naotsugu manage to tank some of the game's most dangerous raid bosses with merely average gear? Is he just That Good? Because they haven't really stressed his skill level compared to Shiroe or Nyanta.

>That was a lie. It's not easy at all. Start panicking.
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>>101184189
His equips were adequate for back then, also no one ever said he was main tank.
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>>101177090
>attempting to compare one series (genre a) against another series (genre b)
>buzzwords errywhere
>2014

anon plz

stop shitposting, seriously

hiding + moving on
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Why is Minori so adorable?

>>101177090
Because SAO has fanservice, a token Idol Loli, a glop scene, which apparently outweighs the cons.
Also, a lot of SAO fans are edgy 16 year olds, so if the shoe fits, I guess.
LH, on the other hand, has nice pacing, though you have to pay attention. Plus, you gotta know a bit about MMOs and their mechanics to fully grasp what they're talking about. And there is no overpowered character either, and each character fits their roles.
No mage is overpowered, no swordsman is overpowered, no one is really overpowered. All the characters rely on a synergy, if you will, in order to get shit done. Which is what people don't really want to see. They want to see Mr.McBadass wrecking asses.
Also, in SAO, they didn't really deal with the social issues as well as Log Horizon did.
Log Horizon, is, if you will, complete and better written, than SAO entirely.

>>101184481
>defending SAO
Truly the worst.
It's shit, like how Madoka is shit.

>>101182437
>reverse trolling
What the fuck does that even mean? That he's not trolling?
>implying SAO is as good as LH
Ok.
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So how do the mechanics of VR MMOs like in SAO and Log Horizon work, anyway?

I mean, if it's VR that's not played with a controller, wouldn't players with practiced combat knowledge or martial arts have an innate advantage? Wouldn't someone who actually understands how to wield a sword win against a complete amateur every time?
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>>101184481
teen romance/angst series vs. children's educational programming anime.

guess which one has more mature themes.
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>>101184570

The MMO in Log Horizon wasn't a VR MMO. It was played with a mouse and keyboard.

If you want to know how anything in SAO works, the answer is "Not well."
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>>101184570
In theory, yeah. A person who is actually skilled in real life, should be skilled in game.
But in SAO, they pass Kirito's skills off as some kendo training. Which is retarded. But basically, it's all in their minds. They didn't explain it well, but they move as if it's their own body. All they really explain is that VR helmets actually exist really.

In Log Horizon, the controls went from typical MMOrpg with mouse and keys(as seen in some of the flashbacks), to having magic trap them in the game and having them rely on actual motor functions, instead of relying on typical MMOrpg commands. They actually explain it in the first episode.
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>>101184236

Mamare's notes don't say who the MT was for Debauchery Tea Party, but since the only other Guardian uses a DPS two-hander, I figure it was probably Naotsugu.
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>>101184784
Actually, the pass his skill of as "Super human reflexes", as apparently, he sees everything in slow-mo when in a fight... Technically better explanation than Kendo, but over-all it just makes him special.
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>>101177090
One is shounen shit and the other is shounen shit.
Even if I were to give Log Horizon that it doesn't have as cheesy characters as SAO, there's the fact that Log Horizon is absolutely horrible in regards to girls, ergo basically none has anything to do in the series.
Just look at Akatsuki who didn't do anything in 10 episodes.
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>>101184784
>In theory, yeah. A person who is actually skilled in real life, should be skilled in game.
>But in SAO, they pass Kirito's skills off as some kendo training. Which is retarded. But basically, it's all in their minds. They didn't explain it well, but they move as if it's their own body. All they really explain is that VR helmets actually exist really.

So wouldn't that just mean that someone who's clumsy or nonathletic in real life would ultimately be shit at the game? Wouldn't that just end up alienating the vast majority of the potential playerbase?

>>101184867
Why does he have super-human reflexes? He's just a normal human, isn't he? What dan is he in real life kendo? Like, what's his general real life skill level?
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>>101184902
It's an ensemble cast.

Everyone gets a chance to shine.
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>>101184902

0/10, way too obvious. Please try again next thread.
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>>101185024
Get back to /co/ or wherever you came from instead of being a retarded fagboy.
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>>101184957
Probably not actual "Super Human" reflexes. But his main thing is that his reflexes are higher than most any other player.
As for Kendo... Who knows? He apparently practiced for about 2 years, before giving up on it. How long ago this was, in relation to the main story, isn't really clear.
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>>101177090
>Fairy bullshit
>Not awesome
GTFO
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>>101184860
Monks can be an agi/dex tank too.
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>>101185144
ALO is legit a better game than SAO.

It just so happens the the second arc is put together pretty crap-like.
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>>101184957
>So wouldn't that just mean that someone who's clumsy or nonathletic in real life would ultimately be shit at the game? Wouldn't that just end up alienating the vast majority of the potential playerbase?
Again, in theory, it would.
But the author doesn't expand on it at all.
Though the game IS aimed at VR lovers and sword lovers. So i guess most know how to at least dodge or strike. It's retarded though, really.
As for his kendo skills, they said he was pretty skilled, but quit. His cousin (who is fanservice bait), apparently looks up to him and respects him. So I would say he's pretty good. Doesn't explain how he has high reflexes though.
Also, in SAO, a person can't die, or else they die in real life.
In Log Horizon, they simply resurrect at a respawn point.
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>>101185092
Ah, never mind.. He gave up on Kendo 4 years before SAO began.

Basically, "Kendo" isn't really a viable excuse for him at all.
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>>101185183
Coma-marriage, Brilliant!

whoever approved that in the anime needs to be shot.
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>>101177090
the love plot was the only reason to watch SAO you tard

the relationship between asuna and kirito in the first half was probably one of the best in years in that it was actually intimate and didnt involve needless blushing and skirting around the issue
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>>101185289
>SAO is my first romance anime
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>>101185289
Just because they actually showed a couple being "intimate" and "loving" doesn't necessarily mean it was interesting or particularly well done.
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>>101185264
It wasn't legally a marriage though. It was just Sugou being adopted into the family, where he would be "treated as her husband", and therefore inherit everything from her father.
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>>101185309
every other romance anime is blushing and avoiding each other till they finally kiss in the last episode
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>>101185075

You overplayed your hand, never go for the >shonenshit
and
>insult to feminism
maneuvers straight away or it'll be too obvious. Better luck tomorrow!
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>>101185385
So you've never seen any other true romance anime. OK.
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>>101185385
Again >>101185372
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>>101185374
Weren't they to be married in the anime while the chick was a fucking vegetable?

They even scheduled the fucking date.
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>>101185394
>shounenshit
I hold on to that. It's shounen and it shows in painful way.
>insult to feminism
I insulted FEMALES, not feminism, and really they are horrible in the series, without any fucking prominence.
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You know, in the threads I see a lot of people complaining about the attention devoted to Scrub Horizon when it's competing for screentime with the Round Table negotiating with the NPCs/Landers.

But I really like how they devoted themselves to breaking it down and not just emphasizing communication in the sense of conveying information, but promoting an understanding of the people around you.

Cheesy as fuck, sure, but it bears repeating, if just to reinforce the mindset, and it's all framed within the context of gameplay mechanics instead of some abstract after-school scenario.
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>>101185493
In ceremony, it was being treated as a marriage. But Sugou explained, that on paper he would just be adopted into the family.
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>>101177090
>Realistic MMO mechanics

>they let you buy the guild hall and ban people
lel
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>>101185574
>But I really like how they devoted themselves to breaking it down and not just emphasizing communication in the sense of conveying information, but promoting an understanding of the people around you.

Didn't .hack//SIGN do that?
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>>101185505
You're pretty gay.
>>>/tumblr/
>Mari isnt important despite helping out Shiroe
>Secretary isnt important despite helping out Shiroe
>Akatsuki isnt important despite assassinating everyone
>Minori isn't important despite having 2-3 maybe 4-5 episodes focused on her
Yeah, ok.

>>101185602
That's fucking retarded, and blackmail, mind you.
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>>101185671
Like I said, you are a blind fagboy.
>Mari and secretary not absolutely disgusting
Yes, they are, but I guess they are little boys' wet dreams
>Akatsuki isn't important
She isn't. A plain fact, hardly even a plot device, much less a character.
>Minori
A small character doing her own thing and that's it.
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>>101185671
Fucking retarded, sure. Blackmail, how?

Also, Keep in mind that her parents thought he was perfect, And didn't think Asuna hated him or anything.
Realistically, something like this could happen in a very strict family (arranged marriages aren't too uncommon to be impractical for a story)
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>>101185671
Forgot to mention, your kind is the one that belongs to tumblr and the likes.
>don't even have a taste for girls, or even care about having decent ones
Cheers, faggot.
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>>101185476
>>101185372
name one then smartass. i know you cannot.
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>>101185505

>I hold on to that. It's shounen and it shows in painful way.

The only thing that's painfully showing here is your tryharding. Give up, you blew your cover. No one is honestly going to debate you here, we're down to calling you an idiot and politely asking that you return to /reddit/. Lie low and come back later if you seriously want to troll, this is just embarrassing now.
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>>101185881
How is it embarrassing to state a well known fact my little reddit dweller?
How about you actually try to refute my points? Oh wait, you can't. "No debate" my ass, you are just fanboying it blindly.
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>>101185785
>Akatsuki isn't important
Man, for someone who isn't important she sure got a whole lot of spotlight, like nearly an entire book to herself.

>Minori
Ends up leading Scrub Horizon and gets more than a book to herself. Sure is minor.
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>>101186009
Oh, let me think about it.
Did those happen in the anime? Oh that's right they didn't, so your post = irrelevant.
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>>101177090
SAO was about the first big Virtual Reality MMOs, meaning SAO and ALO. Them being different from standard MMOs was the point.

Log Horizon is about being magic'd into a 20 year old EQ-esque game.
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Why do people even stop by to "contribute" to these threads?
There's nothing one can expect when a show has mostly the /v/ crossboarders as its fanbase; just leave them to circlejerk in their own threads.
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>>101185880
There, now go fuck yourself.
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>>101185880
>I've never watched Macross
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>>101186129
Why talk about anime when you can complain about crossboarders in an anime thread?
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>>101186074
That doesn't make them unimportant or minor.
That's like saying Nao is just a shallow guy who makes shit jokes. Or that Maryelle is just a whore for Nao for no apparent reason.
Ignoring the source material when you're 'dismissing' a character is just retarded.
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>>101186140
>>101186178
>has to go back to the 80s to find an example

tip top kek

At least you can rest assured SAO is here to save romance.
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>>101186254
Ignoring the source material is exactly what you should be doing if you look at an anime that wants to stand on its own individually.
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>>101185785
>>101185826
No, you're the one who belongs on tumblr
>disregards the fact that without Mari and secretary, shiroe's plan wouldn't have worked
>without Akatsuki protecting Shiroe and surveying the other guild everything would've fallen apart
>minori teaches scrub horizon how to take charge and how to git gud
>eggs big horizon to going through with mission

Look, don't try so hard. If you don't like a series, just state that you don't like it. Don't try to justify not liking it when your points are invalid and untrue.

>>101185880
Not gonna spoon feed you entirely, but I will say this
School Days
Macross Series
Gundam series
Colors Wars the Anime Visual Novel: The Anime Adaptation
Zero no DED
White Album
Campi Spiderman

Do you even remember Love?

>>101186266
>macross was only in the 80s
OK.
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>>101186266
What the fuck does that even mean?
Where was it stated that it had to be a recent anime?
Why are you such a fucking pleb?

>SAO
>Here to save romance
SAO was cancer all around and the romance in it even more.
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>>101186399
>>101186387
Guys, listen.

Don't worry.

SAO is here to save romance.
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>>101177090
>Please, remind me, why is Sword Shit Online even relevant?

Anime is a business. SAO will continue to sell far better and create more profit for its investors because it is a product that people are willing to pay money for as compared to Log Horizon. This is borne out by the sales figures. SAO's first month of sales are far better than LH's first month of sales. As for merchandising, SAO totally blows LH out of the water. As for light novel sales, SAO totally blows LH out of the water.

As for doujinshi, SAO will continue to have more doujins than LH.
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>>101186399
>old anime
>not dogshit by default
It's like old vidya games, worthless
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>>101185606
That wasnt possible before the Catastrophe
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>>101186387
Sorry, but you couldn't refute my points.
Being plot devices != decent characters.
It is a mere fact that Log Horizon girls are bottom-tier as far as even anime goes.
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>>101186449
>Being plot devices != decent characters.
So what validates a character as decent or good? Their interaction with others? Development? Depth? Attractiveness?
As I've said before, don't try so hard.
If you don't like a series without reason, just say so.
Don't try so hard to justify your dislike for a series,by spewing out shit from your mouth.
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>>101186309
>Anime is and adaption of a series of novels
>Stand on it's own individually
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>>101186442
I understand if you hate "oldfags", but this attitude doesn't help, either.

>Implying some of the best anime weren't made during the 90s and 80s
>Implying you have taste
>Implying you won't resort to call me an oldfag.
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>>101186112
Given how much content EQ1 has after 15 years, it's not too surprising that ET would have an insane amount of content after 20 years (especially given the "it's the most popular MMO ever" and probably has funding beyond all reason)
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>>101186554
Sorry but you are the shitflinging idiot.
You are actually either that new to anime, or that much of a fanboy to the series that don't even know what constitutes a good female character.
Of course there's a chance that you're growing up on only shallow kind of shounen series.

Either way, you should stop trying to desperately white knight a series that has some of the worst females in anime history.

>Their interaction with others? Development? Depth? Attractiveness?
Basically all of these that is devoid in LH girls.
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>>101186668
>Basically all of these that is devoid in LH girls.
Except they do exist, anime just cuts them out, like they do for the guys too.
>But the anime doesn't do it! Therefore they are shit!
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>>101186631
The fuck is your problem, /a/?
That wasn't the image
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>>101186731
I think we are talking about the anime, so there you have it.
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>>101186772
It doesn't matter when you're talking about the characters. You'd be better off saying the anime adaptation is bad, not the character itself.
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>>101186668
Sure, maybe in anime history, but the best part is that its not just an anime, it's an adaption of a novel series, which cuts out a lot of material. So sure, they arent the best in the anime, but thats why you read the novels to get a better grasp of the characters full spectrum.
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>>101177090
>Please, remind me, why is Sword Shit Online even relevant?

Time will tell if LH is popular enough to have a theatrical release movie like Sword Art Online did. Probably not as LH is not appealing to the theatre crowd.
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>>101186668

So why don't you enlighten us on what your ideal girls are supposed to be.

Otherwise you are just shitposting.
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>>101186668
>You are actually either that new to anime, or that much of a fanboy to the series that don't even know what constitutes a good female character.
Ha.
OK.
I know what constitutes a female as a good character, and I'm not a fanboy. I enjoy Horizon, but I am willing to notice its flaws.

>the female cast members have no to poor interaction with others
That's wrong.
>they all lack development
Asides from Mari, that's wrong.
>They have no depth
Kind of hard to depict depth in an ensemble cast.
So I'll give you that one.
>Attractiveness
Subjective.
Again, for the last time. Don't try so hard.
Also, lets not bring powerlevels into this discussion.
I don't want to derail this thread, and allow you more opportunities at shitposting.

>>101186763
I think it fits though. That guy seemed like a gay horse sucking gryphon dick.
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>>101186819
>>101186833
I'm talking about the characters, as per presented in the series.
I don't care enough, and don't even want to badmouth them in the LN, but as far as LH, the anime goes, they are one of the most shallow and unimportant girls I've ever seen.
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>>101186922
You haven't seen that many anime then.
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>>101186652
The point was that comparing the two and going "MUH REALISTIC MMO MECHANICS" is kinda pointless. No one knows what a VR MMO like SAO would play like, unlike EQ which Mamare himself no life'd.
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>>101186903
>call others shitposters
>Ha.
>OK.
Do you at least notice the irony?
>that's wrong
>that's wrong
Some comebacks and hard proof.
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>>101186922
"as presented in the series" would be including the novels, the anime isn't stand alone original content. What you're doing is pretty much taking things out of context and judging based on that.
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>>101186983
No, I'm judging the anime, fair and square.
They never said the anime is only a complimentary project to advertise the novels, so the watcher shouldn't be expected to read the novels to enjoy it.
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>>101186922
That comment reeks of new, or at least dumb.
In a medium so chock-full of female characters that are uninteresting, bland, and all-around just a walking device for fanservice, to call the LH girls "some of the most shallow and unimportant" is just asinine.
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>book 6 ch 3 done
Hell yeah.
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>>101187058
Even those "bland fanservice" girls have some nice interaction and feel like they actually are alive.
Unlike
>switch to Akatsuki once in two episodes, she's hiding
>switch to her next episode, she yet again doesn't understand something, but don't start discussion
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Because the majority of people wouldn't know taste if it walked up and licked their taint.
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>>101187162
>switch to Akatsuki once in two episodes, she's hiding
>switch to her next episode, she yet again doesn't understand something, but don't start discussion
Except that is 'what she is'. It sets up to her running into problems and conflict later on when she realizes she's essentially nothing outside of that and combat.
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>>101185574
I liked it because it was a nice plot line to have going along parallel to the negotiations.
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>>101187223
That doesn't justify her being an empty vessel of a rarely used plot device for the whole show.
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There is a right way and a wrong way to properly start a thread.
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>>101187252
Which is why the whole context of source material is necessary. Mamare likes to build up to things slowly, which makes for a pretty bad adaptation because of pacing and them trying to cram in 1 chapter per ep. Everything isn't just dumped on your lap at the very start.
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>>101187252
The set-up most certainly does justify it.
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>>101187317
Look, I'm not saying LH doesn't work as LN format, but if we are discussing the anime itself, the girls are either one of the worst ones I've seen, or unenjoyable without knowledge of the novels.
But once again, the anime aims to be enjoyable even individually, which doesn't work out.
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>>101177090
Why do Log Horizon fans seem to bring up and compare their series to SAO whenever they can? Do they have some type of inferiority complex?

Being better than SAO is a STANDARD. Not an achievement. You don't have to write out a long post as to why it's better.

If you want to compare it to something good then compare it to .hack
>Implying Log Shit is better than .hack
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So I just finished reading volume 5, and if the anime is indeed ending there I'm prepared for a decent amount of I WANT MORE butthurt and people picking up the LN.

Shiroe, with all his disdain for Soujiro's harem, is starting to build one of his own. Akatsuki wants him. Minori, the 14 year old, wants him. Henrietta wants him but doesn't even realize it herself yet. And then Nureha, that tantalizing Nureha....

That new information brought about right at the end, along with the tease of overskills in the afterword... it just rekindles your desire to want more more moar.

I'm seriously considering purchasing the light novels even though I don't have an income right now.
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>>101187641
Apparently, they are really into the series (thinking that "reading the books" is a given), so there's nothing to be surprised about how they want to glorify it for whatever reason they can find.
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>>101187641
Knowing this place though, this thread was made by someone who was bored of the usual LH threads.
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>Pressure cooker are so wonderful, you just need to add ingredient and spices and warm it up, and you can make something that can pass off as food. Mikakage thinks this is a great invention and loves to use it.
How horrifying.
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>>101187641
Probably because Log Horizon and SAO came out at the same time, but SAO became a bigger thing, so we feel like we need to puff our chest out more.
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>>101187641
.hack was pretty dull as a game though.

I got bored after the second game. didn't even bother with the spin offs.

Did it ever get good at anytime though?
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Remind me again who's the yangire bitch playing around with Nureha?
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>>101189083
It really varies by game. Pretty sure most people just played them for the story though. Well, I did in any case.
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>>101187641
.hack had an interesting story inb4 >opinions but failed to flesh out the mmo aspects

Personally i find .hack//sign better than the respect
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>>101189085
Inctis, ex-Tea Party
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The marketplace speaks about what is worth paying for. Sword Art Online is another great success story. It was a top #1 seller.

More important than just the product itself, SAO's positive reputation caused it to help sell a lot of merchandise and toy tie-ins. It was used in various marketing campaigns for other products even at large chain convenience stores. Stores believed in its positive reputation enough to put money into it. Log Horizon will not do any of that and so far has not been seen to do that. That's just one aspect as to why SAO is superior to LH as either a printed or animated work in both its intrinsic product and its reputation as a quality work able to support merchandise as well as marketing campaigns.
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>The marketplace speaks about what is worth paying for. Justin Beiber is another great success story. It was a top #1 seller.

>More important than just the product itself, Justin Beiber's positive reputation caused it to help sell a lot of merchandise and toy tie-ins. It was used in various marketing campaigns for other products even at large chain convenience stores. Stores believed in its positive reputation enough to put money into it. Frank Ocean will not do any of that and so far has not been seen to do that. That's just one aspect as to why Justin Beiber is superior to Frank Ocean as either a singer or performer in both its intrinsic product and its reputation as a quality work able to support merchandise as well as marketing campaigns.
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>>101191103
>SAO
>positive reputation
>quality work
>implying nips who watch anime and read LN's liking it due to it being a "quality" work
you're clearly wrong anon. the reason why SAO sells because
1.Fanservice
2.Pandering to the otaku people
3.Makes them feel better cause they can self-insert to kirito.

remember that most of the shows that are selling very good in nipland are pandering to the otaku community and spouting crap like "quality work" puts insult to other neglected LN and manga which is better than SAO just because they dont pander to those neckbeards in japan.
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>>101191103
Next you're gonna tell me Twilight is your favourite novel.
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>do some simple stretches before sleeping

What kind of stretches?



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