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I'm sort of confused. How much did Guts REALLY mean to Griffith? I thought Griffith only valued him as a tool. So when Guts beat Griffith in the sword fight before leaving the Hawks, why the hell did Griffith take it so hard? I'm confused... I don't know if Griffith valued their friendship and felt betrayed, if Griffith was in love with Guts and didn't know how to express his feelings, or if Griffith was just mad that he was defeated so he he fucks the Princess to blow off some steam but while they're having sex, Griffith is thinking about Guts the entire time. Please, I'm a bit dense so could someone elaborate?
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>>101166140
I always assumed that he considered Guts to be both something that belonged to him as well as a friend. Guts was his most effective soldier and the only person he knew who wasn't afraid of or idolized him. But I don't think he was gay for Guts.

If there is any justice in this world then hopefully Griffith/femto dies for good. I don't expect Guts to survive or the God Hand to lose, but hopefully Griffith and his apostle followers all die.
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People are drawn to Griffith's leadership and charismatic nature and die for his cause but one person that he relied on and praised, left him of his own volition to pursue his own dreams which were really more of a half-hearted notion. This person was also the only one that he ever let see the real him and in turn didn't idolize him as an avatar of god and someone he could call friend.
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Short answer, yes. It's pretty explicitly portrayed and stated in the manga. Guts meant inexplicably a LOT to Griffith, and one could easily argue it went beyond mere sexuality or attraction or friendship or love. Guts was special and important enough to make Griffith waver about his dream for a moment, the most precious thing to him, the thing that defined him. He was understandably hurt and felt betrayed when his best and only friend decided to leave without an explanation. Griffith fucked Charlotte as a way to attempt to regain the control he had lost.
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HURRR WAT IS PLATONIC LOVE
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>>101166483
Why do you want Griffith to die? I think he had pretty strong reasons for consenting to the sacrifice. If he stays as well written as he has been so far, he might bring about some kind of fantastic utopia. I'm excited to see where his decisions take him.
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>>101166762
Alternate translation, for anyone interested. I'm surprised at how different they were.
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>>101166797
What's that?
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>>101166140
He was gay for Guts. Guts turned into an equal to Griffith when he started to improve his skill for his own good and not for Griffith, when he decided to go alone in this path Griffith felt what he couldn't imagine, losing a person that for him was like a little puppy, like the rest of the squadron. Casca would never get anything for Griffith because she looked to him from below, while Guts was not caring after he got what Griffith wanted.
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>>101167192
The Dark Horse scan and translation is much better, forgive my faggotry from using some random page I had saved here.
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>>101166955
I want Griffith to die because I want Guts to succeed in at least this one thing. His life has basically been one giant shit being taken on him, with only a few relative moments of happiness. Griffith is a great character don't get me wrong, I just want Guts to achieve this.
Although I will admit I'm extremely curious to see how an incarnation of evil is going to handle this utopia he just created. I'm expecting something bad to happen, like another mass sacrifice or forced conversion to Apostlehood.
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>>101167192
I first read the Band of the Hawks translation. The difference between it and Dark Horse is ridiculous.
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>>101166955
This will probably be the case. He will finish building his kingdom of heaven, creating bretty good synthesis of human and monster society. Then guts will come and finish what he was intending to do for so long, destroying the utopia and peace with his actions.
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>>101166140
No. He stillis.
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>>101167317
Are you sure giving in to that kind of emotion is the best thing for Guts though? It seems like the most positive thing that could happen in his life would be for him to let go of that grudge and focus on the future. The part of him that represents the desire for revenge is a displayed as a ravenous beast, after all.

Also, regarding the utopia, I really hope that turns out to be something more creative and original than "and then another eclipse happens because evil". It seems like some effort has been made to represent demons and apostles as individuals in the latest issues. The blind archer and Zodd are both nicer than a majority of the human characters so far. I'm hoping for there to be a strong message along the lines of 'don't hate something just because it's ugly or different'. Berserk has been in a really enjoyable grey area so far, if they rely on showing things as pure black and white with Griffith being pure evil and Guts being pure god, I'd be pretty unhappy.
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>>101167502
I would love to see this. Killing Griffith is one thing, but first making him see his dream crumble- his one true dream- a kingdom, a castle of his own, all of these things are taken away from him by Guts. Just like Griffith took away so much from Guts, Guts will take from Griffith before he finally chops his head off with the Dragonslayer.
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>>101167889

What if it means thousands of people die?
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>>101167666
Well, you must remember that was around since volume three, when the slug apostle didn't want to sacrifice his daughter, and was thus sucked into that whirling vortex of souls.

Anyway remember that all the apostles have made a tremendous sacrifice and I wouldn't call any of them nice, even if many humans are sacks of shit.
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>>101167981
Do you think this current Guts really would care about something like that? I'm not asking sarcastically either, I really want to know what you think.

Because honestly, I doubt he would care, even at this point. He cares about protecting the people who are close to him. He's not some shonen hero who wants to go and save everybody and save the world and all of that. He just wants revenge, and for now he wants to cure Casca. For all we know, the elf king will tell them that their only chance to cure Casca involves killing Femto somehow.
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>>101167889
I don't understand people taking a side between Guts and Griffith. Tragedy has struck them both pretty hard, and both have had to make very tough decisions that were pretty well justified in the end, but both of their decisions lead to the suffering of the other. It's a sad story and neither one of them is ultimately the good guy or bad guy.
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>>101167981
If Griffith falls then his kingdom falls with it. As it stands now I honestly don't see Guts intending on carrying through with killing Griffith, not unless something major happens like Casca dying or Griffiths true plot, assuming there is one, becomes known to him.
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>>101166762
>mfw Griffith being tsun tsun max
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>>101167317
What if the other Apostles are just using Griffith to further their own agenda and plan to betray him right as he gets his kingdom set up?
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These kind of relationships between men is extremely common in these manly kinds of stories for thousands of years, OP.
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>>101167999
What about the egg apostle that sacrificed himself? Maybe he's the only case of that happening though, but there's also the girl that sacrificed her scumbag parents. If she didn't go around abducting kids and murdering livestock after her transformation I'd say her sacrifice was totally just.
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>>101168278
What if Guts, Griffith, and Skull Knight team up to defeat the Godhand?
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>>101168200
>Tragedy has struck them both pretty hard
The only person who's been through the shitter of life is Guts. Since the day he was born, he's been suffering. Boo hooo, Griffith grew up poor kid bwaaaaaaaaaaaah! "I have a dream to be at the top and I will do anything to get there, even if it means betraying not only my closest friends, but the world!" Fuck Griffith and his overly-ambitious goals. I want him to fucking die and I want Guts to succeed.
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>>101168278
Doubt it, with the exception of Ganishka every Apostle shown has venerated the God Hand. He'll Zodd would probably off himself before harming Griffith.
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>>101168200
My only problem with saying Griffith isn't evil is because he truly is pure, unredeemed evil. And let me explain why. Not only did he make the decision to kill all of his soldiers and men- mind you, these warriors had just risked their own lives to break him out of jail and saved his life-, he also made the decision to kill Casca, who was volunteering (albeit she wasn't happy about it) to take care of Griffith for the rest of her life, AND his best friend who up until Griffith made the choice, was fighting with all of his might to save his friend. I can somewhat accept that Griffith making that decision wasn't pure evil. It was fucked up but at least he had some reason to it.

The reason Griffith is an evil bastard is because he doesn't even feel bad about it. At all. His final tears just turned into Behelits and now he doesn't give a flying fuck and doesn't even care that he doesn't care at all about it.

That makes a person a sociopath. That makes a person fucked up in the head. He needs to die like a roach. Guts isn't a perfect hero by any standards, but at least he doesn't rape peoples girlfriends and kill all of their friends just because he lost a duel for fucks sake.
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>>101168321
That egg apostle... yeah, you have a point, although I kind of thought he was unecessarily dickish at times. But I guess it was more like following orders for him.

Most sympathetic apostle?
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>>101168399
I'd say that many apostles probably have had as painful a life as Guts.
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>>101166140

Guts was what made Griffith strong, and Griffith didn't realize it til he left.

So when he realized his weakness, he went into a downward spiral he could not recover from because the thing that gave him the strength to carry all that weight wasn't there anymore.

So, in the end, Griffith crumbled under the weight.

Griffith saw Guts as an inevitable thing in the world; as much a part of it as the sky or the sea. He was a natural thing, and objectively beautiful in a dark, disgusting world. Guts embodied everything Griffith could not be. He made him strong enough to walk the path of Kings. He saw Guts the same as you see your arm, always there and always lifting what you need it to. At first, he was just a tool. And until the end, he thought he was just a tool.

It's not until he left that Griffith truly felt the weight that Guts was carrying for him, and that is why he fell.
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>>101168463
Thats because he left his humanity behind when he became Femto.
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>>101166140
Yes. Just like like Guts himself.
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>>101168463
You need to learn what sociopathy is. He was being manipulated by the god hand. It's more like he caved in and was a bitch.
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>>101168591
Good doujins.
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>>101168278
If this was true it's a dumb ass plan anyway unless the other 4 god hand are using Griffith too, because Griffith already showed he far outclasses any Apostle- and I do mean any, since Zodd is obviously one of the elite Apostles and Griffith beat him without batting an eye lash.
It'd take most likely two or more of the godhand to betray Griffith and kill him. I say two or more since a one on one between Griffith and any of the god hand would likely end in a stale mate.

>>101168622
Not once did the god hand say "go rape your best friends girlfriend and make him watch". Sorry, but Griffith is an asshole. And evil.
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>>101166140
Griffith probably have more a romantic interest in Casca. Guts meant a lot to Griffith, but it wasn't portrayed very well before Guts left, which may or may not be Miura's intentions.

Because my reaction was exactly the same as Guts when Casca revealed how depressed Griffith was at him leaving. Pic related
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>>101168591
It's funny, despite Griffith looking like the girl, I've always figure he be the one pounding the ass in the relationship.
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>>101168463
When it comes to the sacrifice itself, that's a really huge decision with a lot on the line for either choice. It's not possible for me to say which is right or wrong, both positions are equally valid.

That being said, I don't think he's obligated to feel bad about his decision. He sacrificed all he had to get what he wanted, and if it lived up to his expectations I don't see why he'd be grief stricken. He can acknowledge that the death of his closest friends is very sad, and that it's very unfortunate that he had to pave his way with their corpses without falling to pieces over it. He always struck me as somebody who acted like a Stoic, like Marcus Aurelius or Epictetus, and I really like those two philosophers so maybe that's why I consider him such a relateable character.
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Admit it /a/, you would have taken the deal the same as Griffith.
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>>101168765
pls
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>>101167212
Platonic love is Romantic love out of admiring, sympathy, care, partnership etc.

Sexuality and orientation has nothing to do with it, hell it's mostly devoid of it.

It's the complete opposite of lust, which is liking someone ONLY because of sex.
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>>101168921
It'd take some serious consideration, but I don't think I have anyone or anything worth sacrificing. Also I'd prefer to retain my mind, and it hasn't been confirmed yet if that's part of the deal or not
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I think Griffith is not really interested in the concept of love and sexuality. I think it really "joker/ batman" like. It's not like he wants to fuck Guts. But, the relationship is closest thing to love for him.
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>>101168921
I have no desire to rule the world or be a demonic batman, I just want to stop being lonely.

DA NA NA NA NA NA BATMAN
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>>101168921
Yes, I want to be able to use my muscles, thanks.
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>>101169015
>>101169025
Batmanmind
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>>101168921
I don't know if I could sacrifice so many people for it, but it just feels so HAPPY once you can fulfill it.
A wonderful and white kingdom where everyone is happy, does good and things get along properly without mental control sounds to nice to be good, mine would probably have something similar to blow up rings around the neck, just in case.
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>>101168921
Griffith was in a pretty malleable state when he made that decision.
I wonder what, if anything, he would have done differently if he was in his physical and emotional prime.
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>>101168949
Griffith himself had no fucking idea how he felt.
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>>101168921
How can you know? Griffith made a pact with the devil. But how can you truly understand him unless you went through what he went through? Griffith was merely human, as flawed as that implies. To think that you have the moral high ground over him because YOU would have surely acted differently is delusional.
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>>101169123
He'd probably insist he could do it himself. The behelits only activate when somebody is at their worst for a reason, I guess.
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>>101168921
You're damn right I would.
But if I were gay for Gutz, I would have raped him instead. Don't know why I'd go for his girlfriend.
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I have a theory.

Griffith is vying to destroy the Godhand and create a genuine utopia. Anything is okay as long as he as at the top of it all, so why not a utopia? He is not an evil man by any stretch.

Guts, Griffith and the Skull Knight will work together. Guts has grown a lot over the years, and his rage is much different. He has things he wishes to protect again, and dying won't do that and he may have to leave them behind to do any vengeance.

They will destroy the Godhand, and the three will be all that remains as the Eclipse crumbles. The Skullknight will rest his eyes upon the two men, of whose fates are inseparable. There must always be an observer; a witness.

Guts and Griffith will have a long, satisfying conversation. They will speak to one another as they did so long ago. Enough to bring a subtle tear to each of their eyes. They'll lament and laugh on the days they spent wandering through their lives. They will love, hate, weep and hope.

Then Guts will casually speak, "I guess you finally did it, the thing you always wanted".

And Griffith will reply with only a smile, as he raises his sword.

"And now it's your turn, old friend.".

Mark my words
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GRIFFITH DID NOTHING WRONG
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>>101169287
So he could use the demon fetus to re enter the world. A lot of people seem to think he did it out of malice, but it was just another vital step in his plan I think. He might have even hated having to do it, but it's just one more sacrifice on the road to greatness really.
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What if Guts get a behelit, and is chosen by someone greater than the Godhand?
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>>101169360
He mindraped/raped a woman and fed demons with his comrades who fully trusted him.
That's pretty bad, no matter the end.
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>>101169303
>Griffith is vying to destroy the Godhand and create a genuine utopia. Anything is okay as long as he as at the top of it all, so why not a utopia? He is not an evil man by any stretch.
Except he's done several things completely unnecessary to that end.
Raping Casca
Burning Flora
Trying to get the Count to kill his daughter
That's a shitty theory.
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>>101169303
>>101169360
Griffith apologists please
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>>101169303
That sounds lovely.
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>>101169402
Considering a big theme in Berserk is humanity, I doubt Guts would take it.
>>101169456
It sounds completely out of character and contradictory to the story.
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>>101169402
Femto =/= Griffith
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When Griffith came back to the hill of swords he said he wanted to see if Guts could still make his heart waiver, implying that he did so before the eclipse.

Griffith found Guts to be a troublesome existence because he made him forget about his ambitions.
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>>101169456
I need more of those Griffith x Guts doujins scanned.
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>>101169551
>be a troublesome existence
He was his friend, you sperg.
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>>101169429
Raping Casca was likely a vital part of the overall plan.

We don't know much about Flora's character other than that she was friends with Skull Knight, who is still a very dubious guy. Maybe she had it in for Griffith.

I dunno about Femto and the Count though, I haven't read the first few chapters in a while.
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I always read the Band of the Hawk scans, but upon seeing the Dark Horse scans, I've noticed they are way better. Is there somewhere I can get those scans or would I have to buy the manga at Books A Million or some shit?
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>>101169379
Nigger did you even see the look in his eyes while he did that? It was a pure fuck you move with an added benefit.
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>>101169698
http://www.mediafire.com/-berserk-
Lurk more, friend.
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>>101169588
I can dump some standalone cute images, if you like.
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>>101169682
Unless the fetus has any importance
It was basically done to ensure that Guts would hold a grudge forever

Otherwise, It's just a giant "Eat shit"
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>>101169505
>It sounds completely out of character and contradictory to the story.

A little bit. It'd definitely have to be cleaned up a bunch, with some plot points added to make the circumstances seem a little more realistic, but the sentiment is nice.
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Guts had started to make grifith too human too. He almost made him forget about his ambition and dreams because of that relationship. In short you can consider it either as some kind of ultimate friendship or love. It doesn't really matter.
That's why when femto incarnates himself on earth the first thing he does is go see guts, to see if he still felt that.
A part of him loved guts, but another part hated him for being able to turn him away from his dream/ambition.
He has reasons and justifications but honestly, all that massacre and cruelty for a selfish childs dream... He does deserve to die.
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>>101169427
Please. The bitch wanted his cock. Wanted it even when she was being raped.
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>>101169827
I'm afraid of spoiling you in case you haven't read that far, but the fetus does come into play later on.
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>>101169827

He needed the Fetus to get back into the world.
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>>101169827
It was also so Griffith would have a vessel for the human world I think.
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here's a general question
what do you guys think is going to happen next?
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>>101169588
I waiting for this one.
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>>101169303
Shit theory.
Griffith is a fool who got manipulated by the god hands using his childhood ambition and dreams to fulfill greater purposes. We don't even know how much of Grifith actually remains in Femto to be honest.
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>>101170004
They get off the boat
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>>101170075
0/10
shit theory completely unsupported by existing evidence
try harder
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>>101170075
>They get off the boat
>They drop Caska off at her new home
>THEY GET BACK ON THE BOAT
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>>101170004
I think there might be a moment near the end that has Guts within an inch of his life, trapped in the Berserk armor, mirroring Griffith's incapacitation. Then maybe he'll give in to the behelit or Griffth will take pity on him or something.
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You know how when you started something very long and tedious, you get that feeling where you just want to push back the moment you will have to work on it.
And the more you push it back, the hardest it is to get back into it as well, until you reach a point where you aren't even able to do it anymore.
At first you find excuses, then you start something else instead and say it's only momentary and you'll go back to it once you are done. But the truth is you no longer have the will nor the strength to continue.

Berserk is fucked. It will never get finished. They will never get off the boat.
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>>101170322
hopefully the misadventures of wreck it ralph and lewd loli in kamen rider land works out
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>>101167317
But Guts has a band of merry friends and a loli daughter now

>implying Fairy Island arc isn't going to be a 60 chapter SOL series
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>>101169883
>all that massacre and cruelty for a selfish childs dream... He does deserve to die.

I think that's pretty harsh. I've never had a definite idea of what I wanted to do with life, but if I did I think I would go to similar lengths if it meant a lot to me. Having a purpose in life sounds like a beautiful thing, and I'd hate to let it all go down the drain because of sentiment.
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>>101170435
>Still having this much hope
How do you do it?
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>>101170004
I really need to make a pasta of all my ideas.

Simply put, the gang is going to head to the Elf Island (finally). Right now, we're going to get some much needed exposition of the inner working of Falconia. Erika and Rickert are going to enter Falconia and be amazed. Rickert is going to suck up to Griffith and ask him for a home and workshop. Griffith will be all open arms about this and Rickert will wonder if Guts was wrong.

Time will pass and there will be small wispers of people vanishing. Not much but small wishpers that people randomly vanished but no one really cares since this place is paradise and the lost probably just moved somewhere since Falconia is a big place. Rickert will think nothing of it.

Then Erika will one day vanish. Rickert will freak out and look everywhere and stumble upon a sacrifice zone and find out an Eclipse ritual or some kind (people being sacrificed like the Eclipse, variants and whatnot but you get the idea) at this point, we will see Falconia for what it is and Rickert will try to warn people that it's a slaughterhouse and people should stop joining. Unable to do so and filled with the guilt that he brought Erika here and is the main cause for having her killed, he will go find help outside somehow (mention to find Guts is possible is my guest)

At that moment, we will see Guts bring Casca to have her memories saved. We'll get a nice moment and Guts will look into her and notice ttat his revenge, all this, is pointless since he should keep what little he has left and simply stay with Casca. After some training with the gang, they head off on the boat to the main land.

Meanwhile, the land is getting fucked endlessly by fantastical monster, Mercs are employed in mass to protect the castles around the countries because of how fast knights are getting killed protecting the land. We'll see the nobles bitching about how it's all Griffith's fault and grudge that this world has gone mad, that there is no more order.
1/?
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>>101170069
>Griffith got manipulated by the Idea of Evil and the gods hands into sacrificing the entire troop and becoming Femto.
>They just needed him as a vessel for Femto
>A tiny piece of his mind remained, as he watched Femto kill the entire troop and rape caska in front of guts
>When femto arrives on earth, he makes attempts to confirm that nothing is left of Griffith by seing guts
>Ending is Guts forgiving Grifith for his mistake, understanding that he was just another victim of causality
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>>101170554

I don't think Miura is evil enough
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>>101170624
No fuck that, that would be cheap as fuck and disapointing as hell. I somehow want grifith to be the tremendous asshole and for guts to just slice him in two, dying in the process.
And ending similar to shin angyo onshi maybe, where his companions actually prove themselves usefull.
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>>101170004
I think Farnese is going to somehow be corrupted by Slan and end up killing, or being killed by, Serpico
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>Implying it was not just some hetro good times with friends.
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>>101166140
When he was plowing casca he was looking at guts the entire time
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>>101170820
Why though? Doesn't the world have enough shallow revenge stories with black and white plots? So far Berserk has done a spectacular job of making both antagonist and protagonist equally likeable, I'd rather they didn't try to buck that trend by turning one of the characters into a comic book villain.
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>>101170966
Was it rape?
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>>101171064
I like this rendition of Guts the most
This >>101170435 is just too square jawed
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>>101170593
Oh, forgot about Griffith, what made him sacrifice people is either going to be all according to Godhand keikaku or that the sacrifices are to power themselves and/or The Idea of Evil in some way (speculation on my part)
Anyways.
Rickert will find the nobles and tell them about all the horrors that have been going on inside Falconia, that people are being sacrificed and whatnot. The nobles will have a hard time believing this but they have to rely on him since no information has come out of Falconia and Rickert says he knew Griffith back when he just started. The nobles ask if there's someone they can get help and Rickert will mention Guts.

Back to Guts, he and his gang will be walking across the land JRPG style and killing monsters left and right, bitching that the world is weird. The group is going to find Slan everyone is going to have an orgy party (praying for this to happen) then I have no fucking clue what happens here or how Guts and co. win.

Either way, they keep traveling until they meet the a traveling group seeking for the Black Swordsmand and bring the group to the nobles.
They bring Guts and group up to speed about the entire situation and that Griffith has basically caged the entire human race with that Tree of Life and all those monsters.
There will be a mention that the Tree of Life is what causes all the monsters from existing in the first place.

That if the Tree is somehow destroyed, the world will return to the way it has been. The nobles agree somehow unsure that it's the best plan to both save mankind and to get their old power back.

The nobels are going to put all their money into recruiting the greatest merc army ever constructed to take Falconia and destroy the Tree of Life to free humanity.
Serpico will be the general (as mentioned that he's a stratagist of high caliber on Griffith's level) and Guts will simply be a high level grunt. Every human that has made a name for himself will be in this army.
2/?
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>>101170624
I like this
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>>101170028
>guts x monsters

yes please
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>>101171224
I don't like blockhead Guts either, makes him look way older than he really is. He's supposed to be in his mid or late twenties not in his bloody 50s
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>>101170624
Is that implying that Griffith would be trapped inside Femto forever because of Guts' decision to forgive him? That's be really tragic and ironic if so, almost as good as The Golden Age maybe.
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>>101168765
>>101168941
Holy shit I love Casca.
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>>101170593

I straight-up need ta cook up a pasta of all mah ideas.

Simply put, tha gang is goin ta head ta tha Elf Island (finally). Right now, we goin ta git some much needed exposizzle of tha inner hustlin of Falconia. Erika n' Rickert is goin ta enter Falconia n' be amazed. Y'all KNOW dat shit, muthafucka! Rickert is goin ta suck up ta Griffith n' ask his ass fo' a home n' workshop. Griffith is ghon be all open arms bout dis n' Rickert will wonder if Guts was wrong.

Time will pass n' there is ghon be lil' small-ass wisperz of playas vanishing. Not much but lil' small-ass wishpers dat playas randomly vanished but no one straight-up cares since dis place is paradise n' tha lost probably just moved somewhere since Falconia be a funky-ass big-ass place. Rickert is ghon be thinkin not a god damn thang of dat shit.

Then Erika will one dizzle vanish. Rickert will freak up n' look everywhere n' stumble upon a sacrifice unit n' smoke up a Eclipse ritual or some kind (people bein sacrificed like tha Eclipse, variants n' whatnot but you git tha idea) at dis point, we will peep Falconia fo' what tha fuck it be n' Rickert will try ta warn playas dat itz a slaughterhouse n' playas should stop joining. Unable ta do so n' filled wit tha guilt dat his thugged-out lil' punk-ass brought Erika here n' is tha main cause fo' havin her capped, da thug will go find help outside somehow (mention ta find Guts is possible is mah guest)

At dat moment, we will peep Guts brang Casca ta have her memories saved. Y'all KNOW dat shit, muthafucka! We bout ta git a sick moment n' Guts will look tha fuck into her n' notice ttat his bangin revenge, all this, is pointless since da perved-out muthafucka should keep what tha fuck lil dat schmoooove muthafucka has left n' simply stay wit Casca fo' realz. After some hustlin wit tha gang, they head off on tha boat ta tha main land.
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>>101171446

Meanwhile, tha land is gettin fucked endlessly by dunkadelical monster, Mercs is employed up in mass ta protect tha castlez round tha ghettos cuz of how tha fuck fast knights is gettin capped protectin tha land. Y'all KNOW dat shit, muthafucka! We bout ta peep tha noblez biiiatchin bout how tha fuck itz all Griffithz fault n' grudge dat dis ghetto has gone mad, dat there is no mo' order.
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>>101166955

Griffith's the Dark Messiah of the series. I find it more likely for people to seemingly believe in his utopia until something catastrophic happens and all hell breaks loose.

There were a few more prophecies set in Berserk that I don't remember word by word. Somebody post 'em please.
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Yes.
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I'd be willing to jump on the Griffith train if not for that bit about the Hawks writhing in everlasting suffering in the worst possible hell in existence.
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>>101171229
So now we have two of the greatest armies ever constructed on both sides.

One being an army of undisciplined people fighting for good and the other side being an army of knights, fighting for evil but being manipulated for evil intent.

We will see the greatest most extraordinary legendary battle ever placed in any medium. I can't even possibly imagine how insane and grandiose this fight will be. Dozens of Witching shooting shit, Guts in Berserk mode just fucking thousands, possibly Zodd going on the Human side to fight ''the most worthy oponent'' since he would likely be bored after Griffith made all wars end and this being the greatest of the ages, and just random tactics from Serpico vs Griffith on an insanely level.

It ends with Void being killed by SK and helping in the battle or some crap (no clue where he fits in this to be honest) and Guts killing Griffith on a one on one Berserk mode vs Femto mode.

Sonia getting fucked, intenstine opened, rape, everyone and everything inside Falconia being burned, Miura bringing his old rape shit glory back and everyone loves it.

Berserk ends with SK telling Guts that Griffith isn't fully dead. He's gone back to the Astral world and that the only way to finally kill him is to do what SK did to kill Void. Guts will have to wait 1000 years for a new messiah to be born, bring the Astral world together and to kill Griffith for that final last time.

The Tree of Life is cut down and the world is brought into chaos and people question what the fuck it all meant.
The Idea of Evil basically creates this cycle of never ending messiah creation and creates a back up plan to destroy the messiah to create meaning, then destroy it to then create more doubt, self-creating his own existence and meaning by the lack of meaning and purpose in people.

Berserk ends with Guts walking in the sunset, knowing he'll have to also wait 1000 years like the Skull Knight.

And that's what's going to happen, mark my words.
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>>101170593
>>101171229
I like some of your ideas, but I truly hope another Eclipse isn't the end goal of the Godhand or Griffith. That would feel more like plot stagnation than development. If the antagonists' only goal is "more souls" all the suspense would fly out the window at that point. It'd be like replacing the end of The Odyssey with a boss fight featuring Bowser.
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>>101171655
>Casca and Farnese

YES

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS
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>>101171589
I know they've been kinda setting that up, but it just seems way too boring and predictable to be the actual outcome. That kind of thing seems more fitting for a far less thought provoking story like Fist of the North Star. It would be fine in an appropriate story, but I think the storytelling in Berserk has been a lot more sophisticated so far.
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>>101171446
the fuck
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Griffith is a buttwhore.
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>>101171683
Maybe other translations put it differently, but in this one they don't really confirm that. Puck just wonders if Guts is doomed to the same fate as people who deal with demons themselves. I don't remember it saying anywhere that the sacrifices get the same treatment.
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>>101169303
>>101169427
>>101169429
>>101169439
>>101170069


Need I remind you all of a certain someone, in a galaxy far far away, who fell from grace at a low point in his life, did unspeakably evil things, and then ended up redeeming himself before the end and ended up saving the galaxy?

Oh, and Muira is a HUGE star wars fan ( millennium falcon arc anyone?)

>thats a shit theory there is no evidence to support it

There wasnt any to support the fact the Vader would either, until about an hour into RotJ
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>>101171786
The problem with this, and I fully agree with you, is that we know jack shit about the Godhand.

From the little we've seen, it's not much and little to go on.

My theory is that the Godhand are powered primarily by the overflow of bad human emotions when placed as a collective.

Slan represents sex and we've seen her shadow in the Atheist/Religion arc with that whole mass orgy. It's possible that when placed together, the Godhand resonate to their power.

Their power being connected the most to what they sacrificed in order to become a member of Godhand.
It's possible that each of them commited a sacrifice or lead their life in relation to how they absorb powers through the collectiveness of negative human emotions.

Not to mention that the Idea of Evil has the greatest negative human emotion, empathy and self loathing; the search for meaning. It explains why it's the strongest.

So Griffith would be collecting the entire race by caging them in a single area, placing the entire human race to be used for their own power. It's a brilliant plan.

So Slan would make people have endless orgies or fucked up things.
Ubik would make people mad.
Conrad would make people starve to death in masses.
Griffith would sacrifice them.
And Void would commit mass indoctrination (him being the most illusive of them all in terms of what he is or his power)
All inside Falconia with a never ending amount of people joining.
But why? Dunno.

I already have the basic idea of what will happen to Sland and Ubik but no clue for Void, whom will likely be killed by SK, or Conrad. It'll probably be an Metal Gear Solid 3 style where the group just happen to stumble upon one of the Godhand who just wants to fuck with them but who knows.

I also feel that it's the Idea of Evil's main plan, there was a nice image of the spiral thrumps of the Tree of Life being very similar to the Spiral things connecting the Idea of Evil. It's a nice theory that points that there might be something there.
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>>101172460
Void is blind faith.
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>>101172461
just because something might yet happen doesn't make it a good theory

I will admit Miura being a big star wars fan helps you a lot though
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>>101169956
Wanted his dick also after being raped retarded.
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>>101172460
You're right that Griffith and the Godhand have everyone in the palm of their hands, so if their intent is to do harm to humans then it has been a brilliant plan so far. Only problem being that it's an INCREDIBLY dull one without proper motivation, and predictable to boot. I have high hopes for the way they showed the gentler side of some of the apostles, and showed the beauty that merging the worlds brought like bringing elves and majestic things into the world. Just gotta wait for them to get off that boat, unfortunately.
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>>101172606
I agree.
Indoctrinated blind fate as a collective.

People can do insane amount of evil in the name of good or for a god.
It's also mentioned how a clergy unleashed the ''Angels'' to destroy the Skull King.

There's also possibility that Griffith might sacrifice whatever is left of his city when he loses to go back in the Astral world, evidence towards that underground Empire where we saw a bunch of skulls with the Mark on them.

It's possible that Void sacrificed them in order to escape, but there's also the possibility of SK making that offer, so who knows.

Guts will likely never use his Behelit though I would be surprised if Griffith was the one who used it at the end.
Kinda ironic that the means of Griffith's destruction and salvation were both provided by Guts.
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>>101171337
He's 21 or 22.
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>>101168591

Would you link me to the full doujin, good sir?
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>>101173313
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/572492/507a1fc5a4/
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>>101169303
How could he plot against the godhand, when aren't (especially Conrad) well versed in telepathy / mind reading opting to actually use it rather than speaking physically, no way he would get away with it.
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>>101171337
Guts has suffered too much so it isn't farfetched he looks like in his 40s. He literally saw the hell
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>>101173995

Much obliged.
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>>101170827
implying miura would let his idolmaster loli be killed ever

we can only hope though right?
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>>101172927
I dont think SK was the one who sacrificed the city considering that most of the apostles we've met only sacrifice a miniscule amount of people as opposed to a god hand member where its a vast number of people

thus its more likely that void was the one who sacrificed that kingdom with that whole rumored backstory with him being king gaiseric's wizard and tactician....so a possibility
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>>101169002
Sacrifice your penis
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>>101177989
Farnese is this chick

I doubt the loli witch would ever be killed off but if she were to it probably wouldn't be in a gruesome manner
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>>101166483
my only desire is for Casca to reclaim her sanity and personality
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>>101178201
I always figured that Void and SK had a history, but where does the whole wizard/tactician rumor come in? I literally just finished rereading the manga today, and I can't recall any mention of Voids former life.
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>>101179303
But Farnese is going to have hot sex with Schrieke and Casca
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Griffith is a whore
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What are some other dark and gorey mangas with fantastic art? Just finished Berserk and its jarring how much things changed. Things are a lot less dark now and it seems like it'll stay that way. What are the chances the story will return to little boys being raped?
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>>101183820

There are doujins for that.
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>>101183962
I just want the world to go back to being full of shit instead of being fairly rosy. Ishidora, mermaid girl and loli witch all are pretty much innocent.
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>>101166140
Given that Griffith was based on a little girl who had affections for Guts for saving her, I'd say it was implied.
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>Casca gets her sanity back, but in return she's been reverted to herself from just before she met Guts. Totally loyal to griffith, completely unaware, save for one small spark of the man she loved.

>Guts finally defeats Griffith in a tearful final battle, but all is not well, Casca is now the vessel of the God Hand, and after a harrowing adventure to the heart of Falconia to save her, this happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwjg0s3tEE8
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>>101169761
I appreciate the link, but is this trust-worthy? It seems no one has downloaded from this yet...
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>>101166140
He isn't gay, Guts' personality complemented and contrasted his in a way that made him alluring. It's not homosexuality, but more like a very strange camaraderie between them.
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>>101172460
hmm anyone consider the possibility Griffith could turn on the rest of the Godhands?
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>>101168200
Griffith was a manipulative evil monster from the beginning and used everyone under his command, Guts killed a child and he smiled when he heard. He didn't experience tragedy he caused it and he believes it makes him righteous.

There's nothing tragic about Griffith. He got everything he wanted.
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>>101166140
I think it's like a power/control thing to Griffith
when he lost control of Guts he freaked the fuck out

I think Griffith had really strong affection for Guts maybe even could call it love
Griffith to me is depicted as someone who doesn't really have sexual attraction.
The only times he's shown to have sex have had ulterior motives

Sex doesnt seem to be something Griffith takes much pleasure in.

it could be he wanted to fuck Guts all along without realizing it or being able to accept it.
yeah maybe he was sort of gay for Guts.
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>>101168463
>Not only did he make the decision to kill all of his soldiers and men
Griffith was completely broken in every sense of the word and had pretty much lost his mind by the time he made that decision.

Not excusing what Griffith did but when you consider just how fucked up he was after being imprisoned and tortured, it's hard to call him pure evil.
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Holy shit.

A thread with intelligent and articulate discussion?
Is this bizzaro /a/ or has /tg/ invaded again?
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>>101192027

First time in a Berserk thread?
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How did you guys come up with Grifith being gay for Guts?

Maybe because I don't have many gay friend of experience of having gay hitting on me.
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>>101172774
I thought it was generally accepted that she just wants her demonbabby, which is currently Griffith's human body vessel..
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>>101194451
It is, just some people like to try to argue it. Also think it has to do with the fact that everyone is attracted to Griffith, not in a sexual manner. With her being retarded just makes it more so
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>>101194177
Did you read the thread? Not trying to be an asshole or anything just there was pictures posted that, sorta, supported their claims. About how next to Guts, his dream of a kingdom looks like junk, that a "tool he had in his hand" grew to have such a sway over him. While I believe it was more of just a friendship in it's truest form, and Griffith never having anyone he could or would consider a friend just made it that more important to him.
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First time I Read berserk was hawks translation, should I reread with dark horse?
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>>101166140
Guts was a huge asset to Griffith's forces, which he viewed as his tool, and when the main "cog" in your scheme runs away to fuck wenches, you'd normally be a little maddened by it
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>>101194952
No I don't mean the information from the thread but when you read the manga.
When you read the manga how did you identify that as Grifith love Guts as in more than just friend, what are the signs that shown in the manga that indicate Grifith is gay for Guts.
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>>101195511
I don't really feel that way, just people trying to make it more then what it is.

>>101169152
>>101168941
These were the pages I was referring to that were posted, and to a lesser extent this one >>101167192
Again, I believe they are just being exaggerated to feelings of a sexual nature, but can see how it can be interpreted as such, as it's left vague, and Griffith's lack of sexual attractions/desires outside of necessity.

Was a platonic love, another anon said it well enough >>101168949
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>>101195836
Oops
>>101167192 and >>101168941, should be switched
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>>101168200
Griffith is a rapist.
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Griffith was in love with Guts but got jealous of Him and Caska's relations. He fucking the princess was pure rage and auto-destruction. Maybe by doing that he even tried to punish himself for losing control of his feelings. Or maybe he tried to sully himself so that he would have to discard his feeelings for Guts, feelings he certainly idealized somewhere, as Guts is someone who fascinates him.
Whatever, this looked very self-destructive to me.
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>>101169287
To hurt him.

He wasn't raping Casca to hurt Casca, he was raping Casca to get back at Guts.

She wasn't a person to him at that point, she a means to an end.
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>>101197656
Sex is only a tool to him, he even reduced himself to a mere tool for the sake of his faction, selling his body. I'm sure rape doen't mean anything to him, raping Caska was just a way to make Guts suffer. You would think he wanted Caska to suffer too, but I think she is totally irrelevant to his eyes.
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>>101189988
I started reading a few days ago from that source, it's trustworthy
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If I had my tounge cut out, my face carved, my bones broken, my tendons cut, and was flayed here and there, I'd eat a live baby to get well again, let alone get the powers of a God.
Stop pretending like Griffith is some monster, as though you wouldn't have done the same.
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>>101189988
I think only person who own account can see it.

Anyway if you want more vols take it from here.
http://bakabt.me/details.php?id=162057&page=0
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Where's all the griffithxgattsu bara porn?
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>>101200106
http://www.toranoana.jp/bl/article/04/0030/15/91/040030159114.html

Scans when?
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>>101200185
Holy shit. That's some good art.
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Perfect.
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>>101171655
This is what's actually going to happen...
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Just reading through Berserk for the first time.

Why didn't he kept the eyepatch?
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>>101202458
>Why didn't he kept the eyepatch?
It looked silly.
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>>101202910
okay
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>Griffith
>gay
No, he's just a fucking control freak. When he found Guts he was like a rabid dog with nowhere to go (hence why his demon is a hellhound, no?) and this fascinated Griffith greatly, not only because there was a side of himself that could relate but more importantly because it made Guts the most difficult and worthwhile person to manipulate. When Guts broke free of his control, it devastated his confidence, and I believe it reminded him of a fear of loneliness/uselessness he had as a kid which he covers up with his dream and control-freak tendencies. That last part might be unfounded, but I guarantee you something along those lines will be suggested eventually.
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Not that guy, but he was troublesome for Griffith *because* he was his friend. love/friendship/whatever, Griffith felt something for Guts, and it was enough to weaken him, distract him from his dream. Ultimately his feelings for Guts are what made his dream crumble.
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>>101206110
>eventually.
ask your grandchildren to place the next chapter on your grave, I'll do the same when we eventually drop dead of old age before the new chapter is out.
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>>101168949
Funny enough Plato's ideal of platonic love does not mean the absence of sexuality. It means that sexual desires are sublimated into drive for knowledge.
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>>101166140
People in this thread seem to have a knee jerk reaction to categorize it as platonic. But honestly him fucking the princess right after being defeated by Guts is kinda glaringly obvious. I'm not saying he must be gay, but there is a very strong case for it.
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>>101179303
I miss angry/domineering Farnese.

...

Um, why are her pupils horizontally elongated...?
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>>101171655
>artifacts

Why would you do that?
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>>101208045
Shes possessed at that moment I think.
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>>101179303
Can't wait until Schierke dies and Guts really loses it.
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>>101208226
Yes, that's why she has goat pupils.
She was possessed by the big goat head.
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>>101191223
It's possible. If the rest of the Godhand want to take the population of Falconia and sacrifice them or whatever, they'll be messing with Griffith's dream. That's his kingdom and his sole motivation at the moment.
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>>101180762
Would that really be for the best? I mean, just think of her situation and the circumstances under which she even lost her sanity - everything has become worse with Grifftih becoming Jesus and Guts and his crew being constantly in danger of being massacred and raped by all the monsters that are roaming around since the Eclipse.
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>>101198881
It has struck me as weird, people calling Griffith a monster or evil. Saying that after seeing what he went through just makes a person look extremely hateful and closed minded. There's room to have compassion for everyone, even if their actions are disagreeable to some.
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>>101209147
The raping Casca part is why people don't think of him in a sympathetic way. It was personal, and a most readers feel what Guts is feeling. If he didn't rape her, I'm pretty sure more people would see the situation more equal.
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>>101209906
I agree that that's the most questionable thing he's done, but I think it's a bit of an assumption to say he did it for personal reasons. The demon fetus was the mechanism that allowed him to be reborn. It was one of the most vital steps in his plan, so even if he hated the idea of raping Casca he absolutely had to do it considering how many lives he just sacrificed to be given a new body.
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>>101167404
But the Band of the Hawk translation implies he misses what he felt for other things as well, not just Guts.

Whether or not Dark Horse OVER localized is being put into question here, as Dark Horse scans frequently go niggerstream mode minus the nigger.
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>>101213463
From what I've seen of the Hawk translations, they take more liberties than any other group. They seem to think they know better than Miura himself, considering their stubbornness with the Guts/Gattsu nonsense.
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>>101213898
That's also very possible. Wonder if we can just grab a raw page of that and show it to /a/ and see what translations people come up with?



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