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Who will win the Mera Mera? How scarred is Sabo?
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>>101162762
my 737 predictions
sabos pipe is the strongest pipe in the world, meitou: bashimaru Koala steals the mera mera from the fish and Sabo eats it, but its revealed that DQ had a tiny piece sliced off of it and the power has already been transferred to someone else
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I just want to see how powerful is Burgess. I mean, in One Piece being inhumanly strong is pretty much a given especially in the New World, and that is this guy's entire shtick as far as we know. So he must be pretty fucking strong.
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>>101162762
Sabo will have a missing eye where his scar is. calling it now

also death to pic related
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>>101162890
I love burgess for his balls. Looking back at blackbeard vs ace Burgess attacked ace without haki. The guy does not know how to give a fuck, he threw a hotel at a 550m bounty logia whitebeard division commander. The reason he skips leg day is because his balls are too massive for it.
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>>101162955
this pic
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>>101163007
You're so softboiled anon-kun
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>>101163007
I want tumblr to leave
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I hope bart joins but I don't know why, he's just cool as a fanboy
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>>101163007
>having shit taste
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>>101163007

Are you fucking serious. What, too hetero for your faggot tastes?
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>>101163007
>could have dodged the bullet
>saved a crewmate who would have died instead

how very dare you hate on such a hero
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>>101162890
So do I. I mean, he's the commander of Blackbeard's first ship, and has been hyped up to be really strong. But I don't think we have actually ever seen him do something amazing that shows his strength.
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That Flaccid fruit seems pretty scary. Cant wait to see how Diamante is beaten
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>>101162890
I would be really surprised if Burgess doesn't take this home.

He will most likely be Sanji's or Franky's opponent wenn it comes to SH vs BB, so he can't be a pushover.

Maybe he is the strongest Fighter in the ring but gets outwitted by Rebecca/Sabo/Barto. We will see.
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>>101162893
Ok, let's look at Punk Hazard
Sanji spent most of the arc on running and helping samurai, running with marines and breaking his leg
Sanji couldn't open the cell door, Franky did. Franky made diversion with his fire, found Sunny and fought with baby5 and the fan guy.
Ussop and Nami finished the job

Robin, Brook and Sanji didn't do much in Punk Hazard, the rest of the crew were more busy.

There will be arc when they will do more things than others.
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>>101163157

>Diamante vs Luffy
>his stretching is rendered useless

Oh shit, hadn't thought of it that way.
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How will CP0 play out?

Is there ANY chance that anyone from CP9 is with them?
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>>101163264
No. But they'll show up and fuck up their shit.
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>>101163223
Sanji held off hamburger face who was suppose to be doffys most trusted
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>>101163165

Too many big players, with Mysterious Guy and Plot Armor Girl there with him. He's gonna job hard, and I'm gonna hate it.
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>>101163264
>Is there ANY chance that anyone from CP9 is with them?
No
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>>101163256
Blueno did pretty much the same thing and that didn't help him any.
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what is this theory that one of cp0 is actually sabo?
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>>101163264
CP9 failed hard and are not on good terms with WG. I honestly can see them helping Strawhats in style of Crocodile, than working for WG again.
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>>101163353

I guess, but the good ol' "too fast!" anime thingie was in full play there. This fruit applies its powers to the opponent's body, and once he's all flaggy-like, how the fuck's he gonna stretch and punch and all that?
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>>101163333
It proves my point. Dressrosa isn't finished yet. I'm trying to point out that some characters do more than others in different arcs, so I'd like to think that characters that didn't have much spot light will get it in future
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>turns floor into a flag
>turns your ship into a flag
>turns your weapon into a flag

Looks like he's a great counter to fighters who have weapons.

I think Luffy would steamroll him though.
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>>101162762
Does Diamante know that Lucy isn't Luffy at all?
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>>101163256
Rubber isnt exactly stiff to begin with. tons of rubber suits out there. I dont think he could do much against luffy . Diamond Jozu on the other hand would be rendered useless. shit..an even more elastic luffy might be even stronger
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>the fish holding the fruit will eat it
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ON THAT DAY
MANKIND RECEIVED A GRIM REMINDER
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>>101163468
Like a stretchy flag.
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>>101163513
Probably not.
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>>101163513
Doflamingo didn't know so Diamante definitely does not
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>>101163507
>turns luffys rubber into a flag

what then
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>>101162877
B-B-Brilliant
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I just watched Fight Club and I noticed that Doflamingo is very similar to Tylor Durden. His followers love him, he pulls the strings behind everything, his motives are unclear and who knows what he's even up to next.

What if Luffy is actually Doflamingo
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>>101163507
>flag-man
Sogeking will wreck his shit.
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>>101163548
Just realized. Where is kinemon when pica busts down the wall?
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>Viola: go to the left
>Zoro looks at the right
Oh god.
So, what is K'mon up to? He isn't there in the final page. Going to the factory to save his friend right?
>>101163223
Brook hasn't done nothing at all since day one except for his dead jokes.
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>>101163722
Searching for other samurai
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>>101163468
>>101163641

I doubt he can turn people into flags.

Tsuru already has a similar fruit that can do pretty much that.
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A lot of doffys crew seems to have some hand picked Abstract powers . None of them seem too straight forward that weve seen so far
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>>101163548
Pica is so fucking dead
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>>101163704
hue
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>>101163722
Probably went off looking for Kanjuro
He's strong enough to take care of himself
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>>101163760
Someone posted this earlier and it made sorta sense.
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>>101163333
>held off
>distracted for a second only for them to return their attention to more pressing threats

This also happens in Dressrosa. Both times Sanji is shown to be completely out of his league and not going to make it.
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>>101163773
second this, there's no way pica can take zoro and luffy
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he's a fucking matador people
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>>101163704
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>>101163731
Brook's fight at Fishman Island was better than Sanji's and other Strawhats.

Robin did other things than fighting, but she didn't get a good fight since Skypiea.

I'm fine with Chopper just healing people at the end of each arc
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>>101163793
Yeah, he's fucked.

Think he's a Logia or an absorbing Paramecia?
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>>101163147
He took a punch from Garp and stood up like it was no big deal.
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>>101163722
Some typical Oda shit.

He leaves the group to look for his samurai friend but he will somehow fall from the palace and then he ends up helping Franky, Toy Soldier or Robin/Usopp.
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>>101163494

How does that prove your point? Your underselling Sanji just for the hell of it. Even if you're cutting out FI from this equation, they still all did about the same work. Yay, Franky blasted open a door cause he's the only one capable of melting metal. He would have had his ass handed to him by Vergo. There wouldn't have even been a fight for him to break something in.

If you add in FI, Sanji has done more than Franky, but not by much.
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>>101163807
I like this

Makes sense because hes called "young master" by everyone and anyone in his crew. What I dont get is his relationship with Vergo, im interested to see how that came about. Doffy did say hes been with him the longest
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>>101163921
>filler
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>>101163884
What was Foxy's? what type affects outside matter?
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>>101163731
>Brook hasn't done nothing at all since day one
You must seriously lack reading comprehension if all you take away from him is jokes.
He's the most loyal Strawhat, bar none.
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>>101163756
her powers fall under that one Soap bitches power which is more abstract. Soap bitch took away the edges and made you smooth by washing you. Tsuru washes you( ya need to get wet) and hangs you out to dry while " cleaning" some of the evil intent out of you. This guy on the other hand just plain seems to render stuff Limp dick by touching it. same concept but different method and end result so far only seems to be malleability. Soap bitch = smooth you out....Tsuru Clean you up through a method which converts you into clothes
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>>101163507
Can he use it on people? Thought he would have done it to those guys so Oda could show how dangerous he is.
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>>101163921
Garp is an old man who never reached Admiral rank. Big fucking deal.
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5$ the entire arena collapses before the match is finished and Jesus grabs the fruit and fucks off.
Maybe Lafitte swoops in and carries him off too for extra fuck you points.

There's no other point in having Jesus in this arc if he doesn't get to actually do anything and just jobs.
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>>101163981
Logia AND Paramecia can affect outside matter, but Foxy's was Paramecia, he was able to solely produce Noro Noro photons.

>>101164022
Never *Accepted* the Admiral rank. He wanted more freedom.
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>>101163921
I think a lot of people did that.
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>>101163544
Then just sink
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>>101164000

I know what her power does but it makes people cloth-like.
Diamante obviously is just limited to items, not people otherwise their powers would be too similar.
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>>101163544
>>101164072
I wonder...
If you eat someone/thing that has a devil fruit, do you get that devil fruit?
You'd have to do it while they were still alive obviously but y'know.
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>>101163223
>Robin gave us tits and ass and enough sexy poses for her own penthouse magazine..

-Brook helped take down the dragon and save kinemon

-and Sanji created pseudo allies with the G5, delayed Vergo, and reconfirmed his status as forever bronze
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When I see Diamante it just reminds me of Steven Tyler
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>>101164060
but he shouldn't be able to melt out from the wall if he isn't a Logia, right?
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>>101164165
Why wouldn't he be able to?
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>>101164165
This faggot
>>101163007

Can move through the earth and he's not a logia.
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>>101163990
>He's the most loyal Strawhat, bar none.

I don't necessarily disagree, but why do you think that? Especially with Zoro around
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>>101164152
>tfw you'll never witness a bath scene where robin and nami are washing each other
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>>101164165
>but he shouldn't be able to melt out from the wall if he isn't a Logia, right?
Well, I would say no, but clearly Senor Pink's fruit lets him do something damn similar. We just don't know yet. Like others have said, it could be a fusing fruit. Every fruit this arc so far just about has been different from what we might initially expect.
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>>101164235
It's not even attractive anymore.
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>>101164022
You're a bigger fucking clown than buggy Garp was offered Admiral status several times and turned it down. Has cornered and nearly killed GDR on several occasions and despite his AARP status is still one of the strongest characters in the series
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>>101163952
It looks like you're a hardcore Sanji fan and you misunderstood me. It's not underselling Sanji, it's showing that sometimes Oda wants to give other characters some things to do.
You can't say Sanji did much in Punk Hazard
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>>101164165
What about Senor Pink? Blueno?
It's not like Paramecia can't do silly things like that.
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>>101164157

Fuck, you are actually right. I was comparing him to Mick Jagger but thought something was wrong.
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>>101164221
not quite friend, don't worry though I'm sure your anger will subside when becky joins the strawhat crew

also shes alive you know
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>>101164235
2 cartoony 4 me
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>>101164059
As long as the BB pirates are getting the fruit
I don't care

All Sanji a shit stuff aside, I would love see a Firefirst vs Blackleg match
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Sabo's eyepatch when?
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>>101164105
she seems one step above him then since people and objects dont matter( or maybe they do). I still say his is more convert stuff malleable..and hers washes shit(main intent) and by process turns them into clothes
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>>101163954
Well Doffy would have to have a marine guardian. I am sure it was his friend or ex slave that helped start this plan.
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>>101164268
how about this?
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>>101164235
I appreciate the effor of people that make those edits, but breasts go down when they aren't held by bikini. What the editor did here was just re-coloring bikini instead of drawing her breasts, which makes it look very unnatural for 2D standards
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>>101164278

>hardcore Sanji-fan
>Literally saying they've all done about the same work.

You're underselling him, saying that he hasn't done as much as other characters when he has. You're giving more importance and less importance to what you want.

>though, I would agree that Robin doesn't contribute much to fighting in most arcs, which is horribly sad.
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>>101164059
What if Jesus dives in the water at the very beginning, beats the shit out of the sharks and then just eats the Mera Mera in front of everyone.
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>>101164390
Creepy
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>>101164390
That's better.
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>>101164267
>>101164286
Yes, perhaps I phrased the question wrong.

If he's just like, a rock paramecia, or a mythical golem zoan, he shouldn't be able to melt/phase out of the wall?

Personally I'm hoping that he's absorbing. I do wonder why he's so fucking huge tough
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>>101164390
>pubic hair
>hose nipples
Nah.
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Why are people still comparing Tsuru to Dimante
I didn't know that maids and matadors had so much in common
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>>101164165
that one fat bitch can convert shit into art. Paramecia is KNOWN for warping reality
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>>101164420
what if the mera mera eats jesus? also guarantee who ever eats the fruit will become the number 1 target on dressrosa by far
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>>101164152
-Usopp helped with evacuation, found seastone cuffs and captured Ceasar

People could argue he was more useful than Sanji
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FUCK THIS REBECCA BORING ASS SLUT
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>>101164452
u gay anon? or are u into loliboys?
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>>101164449
I don't suppose a rock paramecia would do that, but with mythical zoans, there's still the possibility of logia-like abilities. See Marco.
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>>101164059
It might be to show how strong Sabo is.

>>101164449
He won't be a logia. Logias are extremely rare and extremely powerful.
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>>101164502
They could, but to say that sanji did nothing is retarded
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>>101164324
>Green hair
>Yellow eyes
>Huge tits
>Thighs

Damnit I really hope so ;_; But then everyone would accuse Oda of not being able to kill anyone again.
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>>101164539

>Who is Caribou, Monet, Caesar, Aokiji, Smoker...

Just to name the ones we've seen in-person since timeskip.
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>>101164476
how is she a maid ? she is a Vice Admiral
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>>101164566
IM /a/ LETS ALL HATE SANJI GUISE!
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>>101163954
>What I dont get is his relationship with Vergo
Slave that his parents bought so Doffy would have a playmate maybe?
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theory that the guy in the front is sabo, yes or no?
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>>101164416
No, man just put it into the perspective of other arcs. Sanji usually did more in arcs before time-skip. I'm saying that Oda started giving other characters other things to do instead of having monster trio fighting 3 strongest enemies in arc and having the rest of the crew running around and fighting minor characters
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Diamante absorbs and phases with surrounding material, ala Bruce's father in Hulk.
>that shitty incredible hulk movie from 2003
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-mX3Wnbtb4hbJmm/hulk_2003_father_and_son_fight/
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>>101164588
>tfw was 100% sure Monet would join SH and then she just died.
>tfw my harpy fetish will never be satisfied in the same way again
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>>101164616
>LETS ALL HATE SANJI
Sounds like a good idea.
Let's all list how much we hate Sanji and the top 20 reasons why we hate him.
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Diamante is Pica's natural enemy
Pica is Inazuma's natural enemy
Inazuma is Diamante's natural enemy
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>>101164539
Logias were supposed to be extremely rare and extremely powerful, until Oda wrote hakilol into the story. Now who the fuck cares if Luffy fights a million Logia, unless they have CoA as good as he has he can smash the face of gas, rock, ice or light with equal ease.
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>>101164695
Fujitora is X Drake's natural enemy
Sogeking is Diamante's natural enemy
Pell is Mr. 5's natural enemy
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>>101164566
Nobody said he did nothing, just less than he normally does and some characters did more than him. I doubt anyone wants to argue about the facts that he>>101164152
>created pseudo allies with the G5, delayed Vergo
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>>101164646
That's fucking stupid.
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>>101164760
But Anon. What killed the dinosaurs?


THE ICE AGE
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>>101164599
her power's you kunt not her career
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The thing I don't get is that its a fact the mera mera will provide a massive military boost to the group that get hold of it, So why didn't dragon come personally to get the fruit? I mean if he did no one could do anything to stop him from having it
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>>101164686
I hate his character but I love his design and his fighting style.

What should I do?
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>>101164760
Motivation is Mr. 5's natural enemy.
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>>101164401
Anon, I agree with you on principle, I really do.
I'm still gonna fap myself into oblivion.
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>>101164819
Hate on that faggot senor pink instead
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>>101164657

fair enough. I thought we were zooming in on FI and PH, though.
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>>101164667
You mean Pica

If that's the case that would be sick
as a matter in fact if Wapol didn't exist Pica
would be better suited for that fruit power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pica_%28disorder%29
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>>101164813
Dragon showing himself in public would unleash a shitstorm comparable to Ace's execution. All admirals and probably some bigshot government soldiers would be there in a matter of minutes.
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>>101164513
I love how the fanbase hates Rebecca just as much as the crowd does.
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That dog from that town Buggy tried to destroy is the saddest character in One Piece.
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>>101164900
Right, I get them confused.
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>>101164836
>natural enemy.
critical thinking is luffys natural enemy.
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>>101164927
I'm still half expecting Shu Shu to come back into the story somehow.
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>>101164922
Meanwhile they all jerk off to Bartolomeo who is a murderous rapist.
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>>101164922
>you+him= fanbase

pls leave you are upsetting the rebecca appreciation society
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>>101165001
Don't forget cannibal.
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>>101164819

It will get better anon.
>please, Oda, please don't swap back to a rekt Sanji against Big mom

>>101164762

Zoro hasn't really done as much as he normally would, either. I have no problem with that. It's about time the other strawhats pull their own weight.
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>>101164927
Nah, that Clown from that town Buggy tried to destroy is the saddest character in One Piece
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>>101164922
lol true. although our reasons are totally different
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>>101164420

Because if he dives in the water, he's disqualified.
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>>101164230
Brook's entire backstory builds him as someone who cherishes bonds. Even after 50 years in isolation all he can end up thinking about is the one he left behind. More than anyone else shown(granted, he got the most screentime of them all), he showed the most disappointment with himself for losing his shadow, something which is actually really fucking depressing since for 45 years that was probably his only companion. When Luffy shows up and offers the hand of friendship, Brook instantly accepts, but is unable to fulfill until he reclaims his shadow. When the crew is on Thriller Bark, he saves them at some point, and then when he's gotten his shadow back, while they're dealing with Oars, Brook, despite not officially being on the crew, goes off to retrieve salt for them.

They land on Sabaody and have to fight off Kizaru, Brook tries the hardest to protect Zoro, despite barely knowing him. When sent away to an island of Satanists that need him, he instantly helps them. In Fishman Island, when they're in the palace, Brook sends his soul to find a solution.

When the crew got taken on Punk Hazard, he immediately sought them out. He jumped in at the right moment to save Luffy, and even intimidated the centaurs with his boasts.

He's shown several times to be wholeheartedly dedicated to the Strawhats. Zoro's dedicated, definitely, he has the most faith in Luffy(ironically), but Brook is the most loyal in whole.

>>101165001
He's an audience self insert you idiot.
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>>101165001
hes just misunderstood thats all
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>>101164866
Are you the same guy I started talking about it in previous thread? All this time I'm trying to say that other members of the crew may get more important roles and more action in future arcs.
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when will kaidou show up and reign millions of ducks down to destroy dressrosa? using his logia
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>>101165031
>Zoro hasn't really done as much as he normally would
He usually fight a bad guy and gets lost.
I agree he did less in Punk Hazard because he Fought Monet and didn't really get lost.

Robin did Fuck all in Punk Hazard
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>>101165152
Looks better, is it me or does her neck look really dark?
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>>101165152
Good effort but still too shiny.
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>>101165188
>Robin did Fuck all in Punk Hazard
I find this funny because she hung around Luffy more than anyone else that arc.
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>>101165071
>Ok, let's look at Punk Hazard
>Sanji spent most of the arc on running and helping samurai, running with marines and breaking his leg
>Sanji couldn't open the cell door, Franky did. Franky made diversion with his fire, found Sunny and fought with baby5 and the fan guy.
>Ussop and Nami finished the job

I understood your point about the others getting more screen time. That was fine and dandy. You definitely weren't JUST saying that.
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>>101165232
>not liking oily girls
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>>101165152
It's as if Rebecca is only here to show us the Nami we could've had if Oda would have kept her a qt.
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>>101165188
>>101165237

It's coming, anon, don't worry.

>Ussop and Robin vs. Trebol
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>>101162762
donflo will find out real luffy is at his door and either:
1.tells the marines and the tourney gets interrupted. someone(hopefully sabo) grabs the fruit and scrams
2.reveals that the fruit was fake all along as a trap or some shit
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>>101165152
>2 left arms
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Who do you want to win the mera mera no mi? Who will probably win?
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>>101165337

shouldn't you be ruling the new world shanks?
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>>101165338

I want Burgess to get the fruit and then, before he makes it off the island, Sabo finds him and kills him, retrieves the mera mera.

Would love to see BB's face when he finds out and THINKS Luffy killed one of his nakama.
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>>101165050
That's beautiful written anon

Brook is really underrated
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>>101165220
Yeah, the artist doesn't seem to have a clear idea of where the light comes from and just decided the head would cast the whole neck in darkness.

>>101165337
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>101165338
Sabo
Rebecca
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what are the chances that the mera mera has been hollowed out?
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>>101164157
>>101164304
I don't want to close my eyes.
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>>101165152

Now fix her hand and the neck
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>>101165485
Pointless gif/10
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>>101165561
Welcome to tumblr
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>>101165393
That's the most retarded thing
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>>101165561
>Pointless gif/10
It's a tumblr .gif, it being pointless is heavily implied.
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>>101165050
I'm not the anon you were replying to, but I just wanna let you know that I like what you wrote. I could write a lot about Zoro's dedication myself, but I don't wanna compare strawhats' bonds.

>>101165237
That may be the reason. Leave her with someone else and she may have something to do. Heck, if she was with Chopper she could at least use her powers to help with kids.

>>101165246
If I'm telling you that some character done less (sanji) and other did more, I think I need to write it to prove my point so there wouldn't be any misunderstandings. Turns out it complicated the whole conversation
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>>101164157
This page makes it painfully obvious he is a parody of Steven Tyler
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I really liked Doflamingo but he turns more and more into a stupid faggot.
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>>101165583

Why the fuck does everybody on tumblr know how to make a gif anyway? And I don't?
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>>101165735
It's stupid easy.
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>>101165735
try google
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>>101165691
Why? Because he didn't expect the Revolutionaries and Dwarves to fuck up all of his plans?
Friction like this just happens.
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>>101165401
>>101165656
You certainly could, his position has changed since he joined, but I'd still hold that Zoro is the one that knows what the right path is(again, ironically), and is there to make sure his crew takes it, evidenced by him snapping at Nami and Chopper during W7, towards Chopper in Davy Back, and towards Luffy in PH.
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>>101164813
It always depends of the user. What is funny to me is how Rebecca thinks just by having it can change the fate of her country which is ridiculous but that's how desperate she is. At least BB wants df because he knows how to use them, Barto wants to give to Luffy-sama, Luffy wantes to give to someone worth and Sabo wants for himself because bredas. Worst thing it could happen was Rebecca getting it, but I could Luffy going "shishishi, sure your cool you can have it"
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But why is Gladius wearing a helmet?
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>>101165691

Do you even realize who he's based off nigger?
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>mfw I have no face when Rebecca will look in awe as Jesus, a bleeding but smiling Bart and Sabo are looking right at each other while Diamante lies bloodied on the floor
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>>101164165
> wall wall no mi
He's not made of wall, he makes wall from his skin.
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>>101163007
Why do you waste your time being a bitch in every thread
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>>101165884

Spiderman?
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Forshadowing Nami stealing or eatin the fruit.
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>>101163165
Franky's gonna battle Avalo Pizarro, given that they're both Cyborgs.
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>>101165994
oda you've done it again
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Is Kuro the worst villain in One Piece?
Answer: Yes
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>>101165866
He blew his top a couple chapters ago.
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>>101165942
Rest of /a/:
>mfw I have no face when Jesus, a bleeding but smiling Bart, Diamante and Sabo are looking right at each other while Rebecca lies dead on the floor
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>>101166208
Thats not how you spell Hody
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>>101166244
you god damn son of a bitch
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>>101166208
Hody, Krieg and Morgan are worse.
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>>101164157
How many months has it taken you people
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>>101166208
No, I'm pretty sure this is the worst villian. and /a/ will agree the only way forward is death
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>>101166459
Look at this soft-boiled motherfucker.
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Is Rockstar stronger than the entire Straw Hat crew?
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>>101166515
He's gonna get jobbed.
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>>101166515
His bounty isn't even 100 million
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>>101164449
He wouldn't be a rock paramecia, he'd be a brick logia. This is the sort of thing that Oda would split hairs about. Wax, Poison and Diamonds got Paramecias, Smoke and Fire got Logias.
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>>101166361
Krieg was the worst

But the fight between Luffy and Krieg was amazing
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>>101166208
Foxy or Wapol to me because they were annoying as shit. I kinda liked Kuro, specially how he fights, like pre-soru and claws. He was also one of the few that didn't had a cover story, shame.
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>>101166622
Also he was a scary motherfucker.
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>>101166622
>Hating Wapol and Foxy
I bet you hate Buggy too.
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>>101166515
Brook could probably defeat him on his own
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>>101165152
The point of the shadows are to show her toned body. You basically made her into what people keep saying about her, boring and plain. You people really contradict yourselves just to unneedlessly attack and make a fictional character look bad. Original image was fine as is.
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>>101166696
>Original image was fine as is.
LOL
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>>101165001
How is he a rapist?
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>>101166696
>Being this mad
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>>101165812
Not sure what you mean by the change of position. Zoro's always been Luffy's first mate. He knows how to act and hold shit together when everyone breaks, he makes sure Luffy does what he should when things get serious. What changed are his priorities. Zoro's dream is important to him, when he joined Luffy
>I will always follow my own ambitions... if you do anything that would cause me to abandon my ambitions, you will end your life on my sword
But by the time of Thriller Bark
Kuma:
>Despite your great ambition you wish to take that man's place and approach death?
Zoro:
>If you can't even protect your captain, your ambition is worthless
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>>101166806
I chuckled
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>>101163954
His first friend.
Either the son of a slave, or a random boy that Doflamingo met when he sneaked out of his Palace.

Dofla's parents wanted to kill Vergo as punishment and Doflamingo ran away with him
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>>101166278
Not like it's my opinion.
But everyone else really hates her, I mostly don't care too much.
I can't outright hate characters that did no evil, even if they're annoying. I would just give them an off-screen happy end and never mention them again.
Hell, I don't find Rebecca annoying at all, she's may be not that interesting, but as far as I'm concerned she's not bad in any way.
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>>101165152
You see, what we have on the right is a depiction of a one piece girl if she actually had muscles and bones.

and two left arms
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>>101166208
Foxy is the stupidest
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So what happens.when a barrier is.turned into a flag?
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>>101167078
It becomes a floppy barrier
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>>101166710
Sorry if I have no problem with an image/artstyle you don't.

>>101166729
It's hard not to get mad when you see the constant childish posts in One Piece threads as of late, case in point, yours.

>>101166913
They hate her because she's mild and not a memespouter/gimmick abuser. That shit gets annoying after a while and I'll happily take some vanilla to balance it all out.
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>>101167078
>Diamante turns Barto's barrier into a flag
>Barto can now wear it as a coat and be invincible
There may be a flaw in this plan.
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>>101166208
You looking to get cut, anon?
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>>101166696
You're confusing me for someone else. I'm all for toned bodies, but the problem lies with the shading, it isn't very good technically. A toned body does not look like that. Not to mention the fault in the neck, the bellybutton that extends way too far up and the flipped hand.
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>>101167199
Unless Diamante just stops using his powers. Really though, the two should team up.
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>>101166021
Franky's dad confirmed
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>>101167225
I don't see the fucking problem. Damn technically, the anatomy, save for the two left hands is fine. I've seen much fucking worse.
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>>101167422
Avalo Pizarro and Cutty Flam do not feature the same surname in them. Unless Franky lied that he's been a prince all this time . . .
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>>101164157

>Diamante resembles Steven Tyler
>Doflamingo resembles Michel Polnareff

Guys what if Pica and Trebol resemble other famous musicians too?
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>>101167639
Trebol in logia form is kurt cobain after he shot himself
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>>101162762
Predictions for next weeks chapter?
>Sabo targets the fruit first and takes on the fish
>Barto and Rebecca team up against Diamante
>Diamante proves to be a stronger opponent than the two until a roided out Burgess side-blinds Diamante out of the ring with an iron haymaker. No haki needed just pure strength.
>Beloved Diamante turns out to be total jobber
>Burgess uses fish as batting club
>Sabo, Barto, and Rebecca vs Burgess
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>>101167714
It's revealed that it's not actually Sabo but Ace.
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>>101167714
Rebecca isn't allied with Sabo or Barto
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>>101167694
Trebol is Kurt Cobain if he'd never shot himself and was still alive today.
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>>101166684
So wrong. I adore the great savior of the 7 seas since his arc as his devil fruit.
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I can't wait to see if Barto is voiced by Sugita or not. At least let Señor Pink be voiced by him.
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>>101163256
>implying luffy wouldn't use his paper arm like some CoA whip
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>>101167795
Who's actually Bon Clay
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>>101167902
Who is secretly Crocodile who tells Lucy thinking that he's Luffy that he is his mom.
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>>101167902
who is actually ur mum.
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>>101167422
That's not Kaido
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>>101167958
>>101167961
This proves it.

>>101167902
You're Luffy.
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I hope Dofla is beaten by a non Gear Third attack. Something like a Jet Storm or some shit. I wouldn't mind Elephant Storm though.
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>>101168075
Keep in mind we haven't seen Red Hawk on the surface yet. Prepare yourself.
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>>101168024
I'm gonna be the pirate king
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>>101168075
>not law finishing him off.
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>>101168112
He used Red Hawk on Don Chi-whatever and it did next to nothing.
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>>101167961
Who happens to be genderbent Makino's son from the future.
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>>101163954
Vergo's last smile, bet you can't hold back the tears
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http://shipoffools.wikia.com/wiki/One_Piece:_Ship_of_fools_Wiki
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>>101168341
But he has 2 smiles.
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>>101168186
It wasn't Red Hawk, it was Hawk Riffle, and there were no flames.
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>>101164338
BB pirates are the reason Ace died, I can't see Oda giving it to them, but, hey, ya never know.

>>101164059
I don't think Jesus could just make off with it, I see Sabo walking off with it, Luffy hoarding it, or a no name gets it (probably by accident).
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>>101162877
I can see that last part happening maybe not donflamingo, but in the last moment i can see jesus stealing the fruit or a bite if he doesn't win
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>>101168564
I bet it's Coby. It has to be him.
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>>101168620
How?
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>>101164496
since vegapunk can make objects like swords and guns "eat" a DF, what would happen if a DF ate a DF
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>>101168798
Devil Fruit Requiem
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>>101168798
It'd be a fruit with another power. If you ate that fruit, that's an interesting question.
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>>101168798
Since only zoan fruits can be eaten by things, you'd just end up with a rubber tiger or water elephant.
Pokemon, basically.
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>>101168798
if he fed artificial DF's of the same type to two objects could they breed?
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>>101168886
>only zoan fruits can be eaten by things
We don't know that, do we? It's just it'd make no sense otherwise because objects couldn't control their powers without conscience.

And I don't think it'd have it's power, it's just a cursed fruit, so you'd have a cursed fruit-animal that if eaten would give you another power.
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>>101168990
It was said, somewhere
But by now Vegapunk may have found a solution
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>>101167864
>Bart
>Sugita
Holy shit, never thought of that one. Well I hope we get an announcement soon.

>yfw it's OnoD using a gruff voice
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>>101169502
Ono wouldn't fit at all. Though I hope he plays someone someday.
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>>101168886
>only zoan fruits can be eaten by things
we don't know that, though I will admit it may not me the best idea to infuse a df power into an object that can't think, sense how would it trigger said power. But an AI computer may be able to do something with a power like the mera mera no mi. There is no reason to believe that the zoan fruits are the only ones capable of being put into an item.
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>>101163677
i lol'd
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>>101169246
gonna need a source on that if you're gonna make claims
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>>101168341

No regrets
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>>101169757
Or maybe the object would just get some traits from the fruit. Like a sword becoming a fire sword for instance.
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>>101168341
>>101169851

Someone make a Fight Together version with Doflamingo's crew
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>>101169757
You can't have a DF in something without a soul. The zoan gives it a soul.
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>>101169868
sword eats light light fruit, OP now has lightsabers
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>>101169946

>a compilation how Doflamingo got each of his crew members

I want this more than anything
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>>101170010
An explosive lightsaber.
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>>101169977
>not digging animism
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>>101167795
how mad would you guys be if this were the case
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>>101170186
I'd stop reading probably.
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>>101163548

Can Senor Pink swim through Pica?
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>>101170186
I'd drop it
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>>101170186
It can't be. Why would Ace enter the fight saying it's for Ace?
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>>101167795
Why would Ace have a facial scar when his lethal wound was from getting chest fisted?
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I'm betting Sabo has a Zoan monkey fruit that goes with that pipe. Further evidence:
Luffy = paramecia, Ace = logia, Sabo =???
Ace dies, eventually Sabo will die. Luffy gets mera mera and Sabo's fruit then battles Blackbeard.
Stretching fire monkey vs Earthquake dark (cerberus)?
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>>101170319
old theory, sabo has the saru saru no mi, model: sun wukong
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>>101170186
Zombie Ace.
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>>101170319
Or Sabo could be a black cat
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>>101170319
Stretching fire monkey? Does it come with a cloud? Goku confirmed for final form.
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>>101170319
Or Sabo could have the Pipe Pipe Fruit.
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>>101167639
Doflamingo always looked like Billy Idol to me
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Sabo Sabo no mi
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>>101167864
I just wish his hair was orange, not green
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>>101170465

http://shipoffools.wikia.com/wiki/Sabo_Sabo_no_Mi
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>>101170445

Am I the only one who see Tyler Durden from Fight Club? I mean they even have mostly the same personality
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>>101170756
Too bad Namamaru already ate that.
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In all my honest opinion i think diamante or burgess is gonna get the fruit somehow and eat it, then luffy will wreck him for that
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>>101170900
The person who eats the Mera Mera will have a huge role in the story. That's for sure, it's Ace's fruit.
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>>101170319
I honestly believe Luffy will wind up eating the mera mera resulting in the ability to vulcanize his rubber body, granting him increased defense, especially against swords and slashing attacks, and highly increased damage.

It's the only way I see him getting any stronger without some kind of Haki asspull.
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>>101170986
He doesn't need it. He has Red Hawk.
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>>101170986
He already does all of that with Haki for a while now. He doesn't need a fruit for that, and as far as we know a single person can't have two fruits. (BB is the exception, though we still don't know why)
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>>101171088
>He already does all of that with Haki for a while now.
The "blackening" is the Haki. I don't believe that's vulcanization.
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>>101170986
>It's the only way I see him getting any stronger without some kind of Haki asspull.
He fucking learned Gear Second and Third over his journey
You don't think he'll learn more techniques?
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What the hell is CP0 doing?
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>>101163165
Jesus will be Bart opponent.
Bart will try his hardest to stop him from getting the Mera Mera but he will fail.
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>>101171088
I could see him eating it by mistake like he ate his fruit, and then nothing happens, demonstrating eating two would kill you was WG propaganda or something like that.

That or he explodes from inside, but that doesn't do anything to him because he's made from rubber.

Maybe that's what the D is for, even.

I'd rather someone else get it.
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>>101171148
Yes, and he doesn't need vulcanization. He already spent 2 years mastering Haki.
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>>101171169
I can't think of any other abilities he'll be able to gain. Gear second and gear third already use most of the properties of rubber. He can only stretch so much, ya know?
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>>101171288
Rubber stretches more when it's heated up. It'd augment everything he has.
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>>101171192

laying down the law
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>>101171192
Smoking
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You all know the real reason Blackbeard is so evil is because of his bad teeth? He resents everyone else in the world for that.
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>>101170223
good we need less shitty fans
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>>101171334
it would also coat his attacks in fire
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>>101171192
CP0 is Lucy.
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>>101171523
He can already do that without the Mera Mera.
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>>101171529
What if Lucy is actually Sogeking?
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>>101171440
>sabo has a missing tooth
>he is now slightly evil
Luffy shouldn't have trusted him with the Mera
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>>101171585
How?

I know about Red Hawk or whatever but how the fuck does he have fire attacks as a rubber man?
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>>101171725
Friction.
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>>101171725
Haki.
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>>101171725
He also did it to Riffle, so it seems he might be able to do it to various attacks.
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>>101172033
It only had fire when he did it against Hody, so it may be an underwater only thing
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>>101171782
Go look at the Hordy fight again. His arm catches fire in the ocean. I don't know how that's friction.

>>101171948
That's a bullshit asspull.

>>101172033
How though? How can a rubber invoke fire?
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>>101172099
He used it against Chinjao and he was not underwater.

Why would a fire attack only work underwater anywya?
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>>101172118
It's still a better asspull than Luffy suddenly being able to eat two DFs just because.
At least he had to TRAIN to be able to use Haki, and not just receive some powerup that was said to be impossible to have (ie. two DFs at the same time).
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What happened to Marco and all the WB pirates?
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>>101172118
It's exactly BECAUSE he's in the ocean that it's because of friction. His arm moves rapidly and the friction between rubber and water makes it catch fire. CoA proctects his arm.
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>>101172211
Against Chinjao he used Hawk Riffle, not Red Hawk. There was no fire. It works underwater because water is denser than air, so it's harder for something to move in it, thus there is more friction.
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>>101172118
>One Piece
>Logic

pick one
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>>101172277
It would be less of an asspull because it'd most likely be because of the D. and it'd explain why the WG is so afraid of them.

>>101172296
Not sure if you're serious.
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>>101172118
>his arm catches fire in the ocean

Did you only see the anime version?
As far I can tell, only steam was produced while his arm was in the water, and only when his fist passes through the bubble/hits Hody is an explosion produced.

It may well be mostly bullshit OdaPhysics, but I feel the need to correct you.
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>>101172384
I am completely serious, it's a much better explanation than Haki magic.
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>>101172377
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Why do people still think it's the Mera Mera?
There's no way Dolfa would willingly give such a powerful fruit away, especially not to his competition.
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>>101172605
He thinks his executive officer is strong enough to win it.
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>>101172483
animefaggots are the scourge of these threads
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>>101171334
But what's the point of hitting with a stretched fist and putting your limbs at risk when you can just shoot fire if you want a ranged attack?

The mera mera invalidates the gomu gomu.
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>>101172483
Are you suggesting it caught on fire in the bubble? I don't think there's enough air in there to supply for that amount of flame. Plus, it would have gone out as soon as it hit the water, so there would be no point in the move. I think it's safe to say that logic doesn't apply to this series and that his arm actually catches fire in the water somehow.
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>>101172736
But Jesus is in the fight.
There's also a chance the Yonko might have wanted it, I doubt even Dolfy could stand a chance against them.
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>>101172483
If only steam was produced then there would only be steam in the anime. I doubt Oda would let something that wrong get by.
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>>101172605
Ever since Akainu made Ace's powers his bitch, I've had a hard time viewing the Mera Mera as powerful ever since
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>>101172824
That looks like a post-op f2m tranny, and a smug, spoilt one at that
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>>101172605
It is the real fruit. He's just THAT confident that Diamante will win. It's a ploy to avoid having to fight Luffy.
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>>101172865
Doflamingo has been confirmed to be a reckless faggot who is just lucky eons ago, keep up.
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>>101172908
The mera mera was on par with Aokiji's ice. That's pretty strong m8.
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>>101172865
Well it appears that most, if not all, of his crew are fruit users anyways so it's not like he has a real use for it. He wanted to guarantee that Luffy would be in the tournament and that is the perfect bait outside of meat.
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>>101172908
Yeah but unlike Aokiji, Ace's fruit was shown to be completely outclassed by another.
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>>101172908
Yeah but Akainu is a fucking faggot. He's not even going to go out in a big way, just watch. He'll be fodder. That's what he get's for allowing Luffy to learn haki.
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>>101172908
High tier or not, it's still a decent Logia.
I mean, it's not like it's Smokers fruit. I bet the CDs would give that to their slaves and laugh at them.
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>>101172952
>mfw Doflaggots abandon their damage control and start jumping ship when he gets his shit pushed in

It will taste so sweet.
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>>101173174
akainu completely vaporized a massive chunk of ice with his power
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>>101173174
Was actually meant for: >>101173044
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>>101173174
Enel's was completely outclassed by Luffy's fruit.

This isn't Dragon Ball Z. Certain fruits will be strong against other fruits. Get used to it.
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>>101172904
The answer is right there in the page I posted. It's just steam. Toei are just that incompetent.

>>101172824
While that may be true, Oda has already shown Luffy being able to blow up his limbs to massive sizes without first equivalently inflating his lungs, and he also did Gear Third inside one of those bubbles.

You have to take into account that Oda doesn't always play by the rules. Trying to understand Red Hawk with real world-physics was your first mistake.
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>>101173267
and then he and aokiji fought for an eternity
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>>101173285
Uhhhh what? Do you understand what that means?
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>>101163954

Vergo and Monet were Doflamingo's Zoro and Nami
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>>101173349
remind me who lost a limb and who got a promotion after that?
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>>101173387
>lost a limb
not canon yet
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>>101173294
Seriously, may as well bitch about Sanjay lighting himself on fire without spinning.

Like, who fucking cares?
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>>101173356
It means that someone who is considerably weaker than their opponent, Luffy, can defeat someone considerably more powerful than them, Enel and Crocodile, due to weaknesses with their fruit.

It's not as simple as my powerlevel is 9000, I can beat anyone below that number.
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>>101173420
you probably don't accept bepos 500 beri bounty or aces 550m either, do you?
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>>101173387
Doesn't matter, they still went at it way longer than Ace who ate shit almost immediately.
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>>101172865
I don't think Doflamingo fears Burgess as he never said "Oh wow Burgess is here how interesting", he only fears the Yonko themselves
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>>101173478
>bepo
wot
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>>101173285
Well I mean, Ace was left defenseless against the Magu Magu fruit. Akainu completely voided his fruit. We haven't seen any other logia treated like Ace's was
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>>101172904
I don't know why people keep saying this, Oda doesn't supervise the anime or databooks, stop thinking that he does.
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>>101173512
He only fears Kaido. I bet he thinks Blackbeard is a cunt upstart faggot. much like himself
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>>101173557
Enel.
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>>101172281
they probably are still around, but the losses probably hurt their standing and BB pirates picked off the weakest DF users
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>>101172377

Wait... Dellinger is with Lao G... I forgot about that.
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>>101172605
I thought this was likely until the finals where the mera mera is in a chest. I think it being so available to a possible winner makes it more likely that its the real deal.
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>>101173691
Buggy faked a DF and Dolfa has access to SMILEs. It wouldn't be too hard for him to fake a Mera Mera.
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why can't there be a 5th yonkou if a pirate proves himself capable?
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>>101173505
its almost like aokiji knew haki but ace didnt
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>>101173671
Nah this chapter he said he got lost.
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>>101164502

I remember Sanji did something useful during Punk Hazard, while they were fighting Slimy.
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>>101173785
Good luck.
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>>101173294
Ok, so the conclusion is that it doesn't matter whether or not the fire was lit inside or outside the bubble. Either way it defies physics.
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>>101173557
You're really exaggerating it.
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>>101173557
>We haven't seen any other logia treated like Ace's was
Monet's powers would be rendered useless against Akainu and Ace's fruit.

>>101173505
Ace moved in front of Akainu's blow to shield Luffy. I doubt Aokiji did the same.
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>>101173655
Comprehend what I'm typing.

Ace's fruit has been the only logia completely outclassed by another logia.
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>>101173372
So Pica's his Franky, Diamante's his Sanji and Trebol's his Usopp?

So much for all the suspense in the tournament.
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>>101173795
>Ace didn't know haki
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>>101173785
Doesn't Yonkou translate to 4 emperors or some shit like that?
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>>101173785
because then they'd be the gokou, and that would be fucking stupid and defy the "4 generals" cliche.
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>>101173785
Because you don't actually know what the word means. That's like asking why there isn't an eigth shichibukai
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>>101173925
That's CoC not CoA.
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>>101173896

No, I mean they were his nakama. They wanted him to become Pirate King
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>>101173880
Yeah and Aokiji's ice was rendered useless by Akainu's magma, huh?Yeah, Akainu just beat him in 5 minutes.
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>>101173984
You said Ace didn't know haki, I showed you he did. I realize that's not what you meant but I don't give a shit, I'd much rather be technically correct on semantics.
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>>101173896
So Diamante's gonna job?
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>>101173865
That's right, anon.

All that matters is that it looked cool.
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>>101173785
This is why we should just translate their name as the Four Emperors.
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>>101173925
So what you're saying is that Luffy was capable of using all forms of Haki when he knocked out the executioners? Nice to know that he chose not to use them all that time until he trained with Rayleigh to use them.
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>>101173782
What I meant was, if it was a fake devil fruit I wouldn't think Doffy would put it in the fight because then they might find out its fake mid fight. You could just not do that whole strapped to a fish bit and keep the secret going longer.
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>>101174064
I know I enjoyed it. Second most satisfying punch in One Piece.
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>>101164378

Also, since her washing can wash away abstract things like the evil in your heart, could she also wash away fear, pain, other transformations produced by DFs?

Diamante's fruit seems more combat oriented and Tsuru's is more WTF oriented.
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>>101173785
There could be, but he'd have to somehow get equal in power and land to the current Yonkou, ie taking their territory.
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>>101174090
But anon, that doesn't sound nearly as cool.
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>>101174112
What there's a note saying "i o u a devil fruit" inside the chest to avoid the possibility of the fish eating the fruit.
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>>101162762
Why would Mingo not give the Mera Mera for one of his minions to eat?
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>>101163007

Now that I see his name in katakana, I'm relieved that his name is really Señor Pink and Oda didn't slip.
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>>101173671
Dellinger is on his way to the toy house where franky is.
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>>101174178
see
>>101173951
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>>101173881
Ace's fruit didn't get completely outclassed, he did.
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>>101174257
I thought we were talking about in story, else you could just say "because Oda wants it like that" for everything.
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>>101174291
That pretty much directly contradicts what Akainu stated.
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>>101173994
Akainu did beat him and he did, supposedly, destroy one of his legs.

While Akainu's magma was indeed hotter than Ace's flames, it doesn't mean it would always be that way. Magma is around 1k C. A white flame is around that temperature.

I believe that Akainu's fruit is naturally more powerful than Ace's; however, had Ace trained enough or became strong enough, he could fight on par with or even defeat Akainu.

I don't get why people talk in absolutes in a fictional world. Whitebeard's fruit wasn't even a logia and he was deemed the strongest man in the world. It wasn't because his fruit outclassed all other fruits, it's was because he himself was a fucking monster.
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>>101163507
>touch his dick
>instant flaccid
being him is suffering
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>>101174291
Yes, it did. The only reason the magma was able to burn him is because it's physically hotter than fire. Physics is what outclasses it. You can't pin that loss on Ace not being skilled enough.
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>>101174291

Guy's, come on. All this bull about being outclasses or "why didn't he use haki?"

It's like asking why Shanks didn't use CoA to prevent his arm being bitten off. And he's fucking Shanks.
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>>101174172
Yeah, he sure did intentionally use that haki there. Kind of the same way he used haki to physically harm the admirals, right? The same way Coby completely controlled his haki and wasn't driven to tears, right?
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>>101174407
You're right, that's why the inside of the earth is several times hotter than the sun.
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>>101174345
But there can't be because Yonkou literally translates to 4 Emperors. There can't be 5 emperors within the Yonkou.
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>>101172908

Ace can fly by turning into fire, Akainu can't. Besides, it never was a sure thing that Akainu's fruit outclassed Ace's fruit. If Ace wanted to shield Luffy, he couldn't turn into fire, he had to use his real body.

I like to think that Akainu just wanted to kill Ace with a cool one liner, like the good happy trigger cop he is.
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>>101174407
No, he lost because hes an idiot who got him and Luffy into trouble and then had to sacrifice himself to save Luffy. Theres no way to know if Akainu could punch straight through him while hes fire because thats not what happened.
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>>101174407
The thing is, "fire" isn't one set temperature. It can range from tiki torch cool to practically infinite kelvin.
The mera mera is, potentially, hotter than the magu magu.
Ace was just a shit.
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>>101174463
Holy shit, please be bait.
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>>101174463

Maybe if Ace had the sun-sun no mi, that point would hold some weight.
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>>101174500
Ace can't fly, it's propulsion.
Akainu would be able to as well, but since magma's heavier I'm sure it'd be harder to do.
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>>101174407
Aokiji survived for 10 days against Akainu when his fruit got wrecked by Ace's fire which was weaker than Akainu's lava. Ace only died because he tried to fight Akainu like a retard.
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>>101174407
Technically Ace never lost the fight. Akainu just straight up abandoned the fight to kill Luffy. He wanted to kill Luffy more than killing Ace.
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>>101174568
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSy5mEcmgwU
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>>101172943

Dofla was so far been shown as a guy that genuinely cares about his nakama, it's logic that he will also trust them to the end. However, taking a piece of the Mera Mera is such a simple solution that it's difficult to believe he didn't do that to prevent losing it. I don't really know what to expect from Doffy.
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>>101174499
Sure, they'd call it something else but you're really splitting hairs here.
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>>101174535
Is this along the lines of Aokiji's Chilly-Chilly no mi not being Ice, but Coldness itself? The fact that he froze the sea instantaneously has always been ridiculous to me.
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Ace didn't lose a fight to begin with. He was already beaten to shit and weakened, and sacrificed himself to save luffy.
He and Akainu never had a proper fight to begin with.
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>>101174515
I never said Akainu could still have punched through him. No matter what, Ace would have lost that fight simply because his fruit does nothing against his opponent's. He made a mistake by challenging Akainu, but that doesn't discredit him as a fighter. If it was against Aokiji, that fight would have gone differently.
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>>101174700
>No matter what, Ace would have lost that fight simply because his fruit does nothing against his opponent's
Akainu pls go home, no one believes your stupid trash talk.
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>>101174751
You're fucking retarded. That's like saying Enel's fruit does anything significant against Luffy's.
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>>101174535
It's safe to assume that Ace's flame was a normal orange-red flame that usually reaches 1,500 Fahrenheit.
Magma is explicitly defined as molten rock that hasn't reached the surface, so his magma will be around 2600 degrees.

Magma is naturally around 1000 degrees hotter than a normal flame that you would see in a fireplace, so yes the Mera Mera was outclassed
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>>101174668

He's got to keep some form of legitimacy to his tournaments, or no one is going to turn up the next time.

If you busted your ass and nearly died trying to win a contest, then at the end you don't get the prize you were promised, would you do it again?
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>>101174692
Aokiji's is probably like Iceman in Xmen. His power wasn't to create ice itself, but to control thermodynamics by removing the thermal energy from something.
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>>101174811
No, its not at all. We saw no evidence whatsoever of ace's fruit doing nothing to akainu. You're basing everything off of what akainu said that could easily have just been trash talk. There was nothing to point to ace's fruit being useless against akainu.
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>>101174906
but how does he freeze people then?
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>>101174906
No he isn't. He can turn his body into ice, that's all he can do.
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>>101174591

I'm not talking about the propulsion of his boat, but when he turns into fire he floats over the air. Akainu can't do that, also Ace should be faster.
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>>101174814
>Magma is naturally around 1000 degrees hotter than a normal flame that you would see in a fireplace, so yes the Mera Mera was outclassed
Fire exists outside of fireplaces anon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire#Typical_temperatures_of_fires_and_flames

Ace was outclassed. Not his fruit. Yes, magma is naturally hotter than any "natural" flame, hence ace being burned but that doesn't mean you couldn't become a white flame wielding mera mera user.
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>>101174906
>>101174956

I've always assumed he can either "spread" ice or just convert water into ice. Even if you don't count "spreading" ice, there's still water molecules in the air.
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>>101174999
That's propulsion, not flight.
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>>101174906
Er, let's just say his power is the concept of ice, alright? Because that's how DF powers work. Concepts.

Blackbeard's DF, for example. Darkness can't actually absorb and crush stuff. But the color does capture the color of light.
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>>101174940
By this logic, nothing is ever truly confirmed. People could be lying, people could be right for the wrong reasons, blah blah blah.

You may as well fucking defend real life religion and how God exists or some shit because that's the way it's going right now.
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>>101174700
>>101174407
>>101174700

I'm sorry, but did the Whitebeard Pirates already lose? Oh, that’s right. The war isn’t even over yet. In fact, it’s barely begun. Does not having the lead at the start count as a defeat? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you’re saying that I can assure you that you’re wrong. Why would you make this topic when the war is still on? The pirates are still fighting right now and they have been the best crew in the Grand Line for how many years now? They’re fighting one of the worst marines in the Grand Line who just happen to have a lead because they’re feeding off the energy of fighting because the head of the marines is a ruthless tyrant. But you know what? They still fucking suck. The Whitebeard Pirates are one of the best fucking families in One Piece, all their fleet commanders own Devil Fruits and would have won already if Akainu wasn't a retard and had Whitebeard killed. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you’re going to be embarrassed when the pirates win and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, Bonney was just captured by Akainu. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I’m fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you’re the only guy making all these anti-pirate topics because you’re a faggot hater who doesn’t like the pirates because they are so good.
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how strong is Perona

Wouldnt she have completely shit on the crew if it wasnt for Usopp?
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>>101175008
I used that as an example, it doesn't make what I said not the true. Ace's flame was red-orange and that's the kind of fire that naturally occurs on the earth's surface.
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>>101174940
ace could have won if he had just waited to turn and fight when they were on the ice so he could just melt the ice under the marines feet and kill half of them, akainu included
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>>101175008
Nor is it confirmed you can go white flame wielding the mera mera. You're just assuming shit.
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How powerful are guns in the One Piece universe.
I wanted to ask this after reading a recent chapter. (Forgot which one)
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>>101174227
Dellinger is on his way to where Lao G is you ape.
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>>101175094
>Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic?

3harsh5me
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>>101175158
As strong as the person firing the gun.
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>>101175077
Are you retarded? Theres an obvious difference between trash talk and other situations. The fight itself didn't show any signs of Ace's fruit being outclassed so its ridiculous to assume it was just because Akainu was bragging about it. Next you'll be telling me you think all those people were telling the truth when they were talking about beating Luffy or finding one piece.
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>>101175158
picture a bb gun, but it is only got like a half a pump of air in it
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>>101175112
Haki can probably nullify her powers.
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>>101175094
The Whitebeard Pirates lost long ago. Or do you think they tried for an arms race against Black Beard trying to gather as many people under them as possible these past two years to get their revenge with absolutely no charismatic leader to unite under?

How butt hurt of a fan boy are you?
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>>101174940
People don't just fucking trash talk in shounen manga unless it's made blatantly obvious that that's all they're doing. When shit happens like Akainu explaining his fruit outclasses Ace's, that's Oda explaining it to the readers.
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>>101175150
Nor was it confirmed Luffy could blow up his arm like a balloon and be granted a huge power increase until it was confirmed.

You're assuming that it CAN'T be done the same way I'm assuming it can be done.
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>>101174692
>he froze the sea instantaneously has always been ridiculous to me

And why is that? Crocodile could turn other solid objects into dust and use them as sand, Logias can do weird shit.
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>>101175112
>how strong is Perona
Not very
>Wouldnt she have completely shit on the crew if it wasnt for Usopp?
Yes

>>101175196
No hes not, him and Lao G are both supposed to be going to the toy house but Lao G got lost.
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>>101174463
Maybe if Ace was a Plasma man your faggy attempt at sarcasm would be clever and you'd be right, but he isn't so you're fucking wrong and a stupid piece of shit.
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>>101175094
Is this text from the whole obama/romney thing
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>>101175317
It's from Game of Thrones.
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>>101175242
>People don't just fucking trash talk in shounen manga
Yes they do, all the fucking time.
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>>101175209

And just how is Akainu telling Ace he's an idiot for getting complacent about his fruit giving you hints that he's lying?

By your logic, Rayleigh could have beaten Kizaru because he was basically making fun of the guy holding him off at his old age.

You're the one who's retarded, don't fucking say shit from now on.
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>>101175094
That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You're mad as fuck though.
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>>101175317
/sp/
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>>101175343
fucking three chapters earlier he trash talked that dumbass grey dude so hard he stabbed his own dad. Akainu is a fucking master trash talker who will say anything if he thinks it gives him an edge.
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>>101175250
I guess you don't remember that a logia's base power can't be increased right? You're logia powers are as strong as the day you ate the fruit to 50 years later.
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>>101175362
>Everything the villain says while trash talking is automatically true even when not shown in anyway
Yeah, I'm the retarded one. Akainu is clearly talking out of his ass at that point.
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>>101175250
By your fucking logic, we should assume Buggy can create nuclear explosions with his fruit until Oda says he can't.

Shut up bitch. Faggots like you are the ones writing that ship of fools crap that's plaguing these threads.
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>>101174377
he killed ace not because he was hotter but because the smoke element of magma smothered ace's flame
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>>101175049

Well, Ace can float in the air and Akainu can't. Ace could jump high, and then just turn into fire and not fall, while Akainu would fall if he does the same.

I don't know why the ability to freely move in any way you want in the air without falling can't be described as flying, but I hope it's more clear for you now.
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>>101175197
>>101175239
>>101175317
>>101175408

It's an old /sp/ pasta from a Chargers game.
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>>101175497
Thats not even close to the same logic.
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Guys

Guys

Guys


Ace died. Akainu won. The end. Get over it.
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>>101175482
Yes, not shown in any way, other than Ace getting destroyed with Akainu not even exerting the slightest amount of effort. The same guy who fucking puts on a rage face just to wipe out fodder, just puts on a monotone expression as he owned the retard who over relies on his logia without learning his pokemon match ups.

So yes, YOU ARE THE RETARDED ONE.
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>>101175594
Samefag denying by itself does nothing but prove you are wrong.
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>>101175112
Kuma proved her ghosts can be easily nullified.
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>>101175158

It varies. Some people's guns are shit, while Ben Beckman can make Kizaru worry by pointing him with a pistol. It's probably the same logic than with swords, they're only limited b ythe user.
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>>101163954
Whoa, this would explain why Bellamy still won't betray Doflamingo, and also why Law freed that other slave.
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>>101175606
Ace got beat because hes a moron, it had nothing to do with his fruit. You're a fucking moron.
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>>101175606
akainu doesn't hate ace though, he hates fodder because he believes that they have fucked up and made wrong choices and holds them accountable, but ace was the kid of roger so akainu expects him to be a pirate. He didn't put on a face because he was just getting rid of the rat problem
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>>101175671
Sorry, but just an outside observer. I actually agree with your point but that analogy made you look stupid.
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>>101175008
Yes probably, but that hasn't even been addressed at all. But the base level of the mera mera is the red-orange flame, which will be beaten by the base level of magma every time.
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>>101175112

The ghosts can be avoided, a powerful enough person would just one shot her before any ghosts touch him, and the ghosts would probably vanish when she's unconscious.

Besides, there are some fruit users who could counter her ghosts: Law, Blueno, Hancock, Kuma, Doflamingo
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>>101175715
So tell me, how could anyone else who wields the mera mera fruit stand up to Akainu. What would they do to not be a moron?
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>>101176016
Well a good start would be to not fall for his taunts and directly attack a guy thats considerably stronger than you. Ace didn't stand a chance against an admiral no matter how the fruits ended up working out.
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>>101176016
learn haki, fly and drop shit on him
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>>101175343
>Quoting only half my sentence so as to misconstrue my argument

Fuck off retard.
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>>101174407
>Ace fags
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>>101163807

It would be weird for him to run a slavery ring while being surrounded by his former slaves. Unless he plans to disconnect every slave's explosive collar and start a massive revolution.
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>>101174434
why the fuck didn't he?

Fire can be plasma if it's ionization density gets high enough, there is no reason to assume that it couldn't
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>>101174407

Akainu's magma was only hotter, because Ace was not skilled enough with his DF.
If Akainu had the mera mera and Ace the Magma fruit, Akainu still would be hotter
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>>101176016

Use your fire to heat up the air and create wind. The wind will make the magma solid. Or just make sure to be good enough with Haki.
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>>101176106
The first part says nothing about his skills as a fighter. The second part is completely groundless. He's a commander of the WB pirates for a reason. There's no grounds to say he couldn't put up a fight against someone like Aokiji or Kizaru.

>>101176123
Ace already knew haki. Using would probably help a bit, but that's still a losing fight considering Akainu can also use Haki. Flying wouldn't help because Akainu can easily launch things into the air or drop meteors like he did in the war. How would Ace dropping shit on him be an effective strategy anyway?
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>>101176403
hell he could have burnt out all the oxygen and asphyxiated akainu to death. Ace was just an idiot who got a good DF and rode that forever
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>>101176403
Why can't Buggy split his atoms and create an explosion?

>inb4 he totally could, he just hasn't discovered or thought of it yet

Consider tone and theme, anon, when trying to figure out how things work in a setting.
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>>101176157
That doesn't change your point in anyway because I wasn't talking about the exception you included. Seriously you're an idiot.
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>>101176403
>>101176432
Already been over this.
Logia powers have a base strength. A user can't make their ability stronger, but hone it to become stronger with it themselves.

Ace's flame was shown to not be able to compete with Akainu's magma.
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>>101172211
I'm guessing that if he moves his arm fast enough underwater, the bubble released from the movement would be superheated, like the piston shrimp attacks. Oda probably exaggerated the effect
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>>101176403

We could arse up reasons, but the point is we don't really know.

Maybe Shanks was just in such a rush to move Luffy out the way, he didn't have time to coat his body or something. We can make up plausible cases, but the point is the entire argument is stupid.
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>>101176528
If this was Jojo I could see that, but not in One Piece.
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>>101176432
That's a baseless argument. There's no reason to believe the fruit has any potential beyond what we've been shown.
This >>101176478 is the only good answer so far.
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>>101176488
magma is slow, so ace could dodge anything thrown at him pretty quickly, and he could have dropped seastone shit on him, the battlefield was covered in battleships made from seastone so he could have just picked them up, making sure not to touch it, then drop it on akainu
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>>101176478

>implying Ace is some kind of physical scientist that would know all this shit.

Stick to the haki arguments.
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>>101176016

While it's true that any fire attack would be meaningless against Akainu, it's true that he could dodge any of Akainu's attacks like Aojiki did with WB. A 1 vs 1 fight between them would be decided mostly by Haki mastery.
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>>101176488
>The first part says nothing about his skills as a fighter. The second part is completely groundless. He's a commander of the WB pirates for a reason. There's no grounds to say he couldn't put up a fight against someone like Aokiji or Kizaru.
The other commanders were having trouble with admirals and Ace was not as strong as him. Plus you have to remember that Ace wasn't at full strength. If you honestly believe he had a chance against any admiral at marineford you're delusional as fuck. Ace and Akainu didn't even actually fight, he just literally sacrificed himself to defend Whitebeards honor like an idiot.
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>>101176577
>A user can't make their ability stronger

They obviously can. Aokiji could freeze Tsunamis and an entire ocean to make it a walkable passage for days. If someone else had his Devil Fruit he wouldn't be able to do it from the getgo.
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>>101176577
>Ace's flame was shown to not be able to compete with Akainu's magma.
No, it wasn't.
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>>101176705
>implying Ace never experimented with his powers
well that proves Ace was a dumbfuck right there, everybody knows that fire creates an updraft at least right?
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>>101176633
>There's no reason to believe the fruit has any potential beyond what we've been shown.

Law's room massively increased in size after the timeskip. Fruitusers do become stronger over time.
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>>101176633
>That's a baseless argument. There's no reason to believe the fruit has any potential beyond what we've been shown.
Thats just plain stupid to say. Ace had his fruit for a maximum of 2 years, he clearly hadn't mastered it yet.
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>>101176661
Hah, what? Theory disregarded. That doesn't even make sense. You're not giving Akainu near enough credit. He's an admiral for a reason. Also
>picking up the seastone without touching it
how?
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>>101176403

Yeah, and insulator materials become conductors if the electric potential difference is high enough. Still, Enel couldn't electrocute Luffy even with millions of volts. Logias operate in a elemental strenght/weakness logic.
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>>101176790

He's a fucking pirate that grew up in the woods, fighting shit with a pipe.

Experimenting or not, it's incredibly believable that he'd never think about that.
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If Blackbeard touched Brook, would he die for good?
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>>101176879
pick it up from the wood it is attached to, or get some tongs or something. Not a huge logical step but apparently I have to spell it out for you
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>>101176944
No.
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>>101176725
You're half right.

His logia abilities are a constant. He can't train his freezing to be colder than it is.
Same goes for Ace and Akainu, but they can hone that ability.
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I want X Drake to be important again. And I hope the Kid-Hawkins-Apoo alliance to move soon.
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>>101176934
so we both agree he is mentally handicapped?
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>>101176944
The devil fruit already gave him a second life
The only thing he can do with his fruit now is spooky cold shit
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>>101176705
>implying Ace is some kind of physical scientist that would know all this shit.

Well, people want him to make plasma, I thought that we were being more lenient with logic.
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>>101177069
>He can't train his freezing to be colder than it is

Well no shit. Coldness has a limit.

>Same goes for Ace and Akainu, but they can hone that ability.

There's really no reason to assume that they can't get hotter.
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>>101177086
I want this plus loli bonney
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>>101177069
>He can't train his freezing to be colder than it is.
Says who?
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>>101176775
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>101177086
He was never important to begin with.
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>>101177097

I doubt you'd think of it, too, if you were raised in the woods and lived in a world where you might never be exposed to physical sciences.

So sure, but he can't be more retarded than you.
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>>101177049
his devil fruit power doesn't weaken other people with devil fruits, it actually nullifies their powers. When blackbeard slammed Luffy into the ground he suffered blunt force trauma because he wasn't made of rubber while in contact. In other words, it nullifies permanent changes made to the individual. brook is only alive because of his devil fruit power, if it were taken out of the equation he'd just be a skeleton. Now that I think about it, this might actually happen. Of all the Strawhats, he's the only one who has already fulfilled his dream
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>>101176790

I don't knowm he had that boat propelled by fire. He had thought some uses for his power besides making fire. Couldn't he use his propeller to create a gust of wind to cool off Akainu?
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>>101177299
He kind of was. The Supernovas all were as a group.
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>>101177324
No.
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>>101175548
He doesn't fly, he pushes his fire on the ground so hard it pushes him upward like a rocket does.
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>>101168341
>died with a smile
>mfw Vergo D.
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>>101177069
If this were true then Aokiji wouldn't have stood a chance against Akainu. Ace's fruit was on par with Aokiji's and, according to you, Akainu's power would be stronger no matter what than Ace's. Therefore, Aokiji's power would be on par or even worse against Akainu.
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>>101177294
>tired, hungry, worn out Ace loses to an admiral
>MUST BE BECAUSE OF THE FRUIT MATCH UP, NO WAY AN ADMIRAL IS JUST STRONGER THAN ACE
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>>101177308
Luffy is literally retarded and he still comes up with awesome ways to use his DF, and he had the same upbringing so get out of here you nurturefag
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>>101177324
>Of all the Strawhats, he's the only one who has already fulfilled his dream
Yea man fuck Laboon
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>>101177328
>Couldn't he use a propeller... to cool off Akainu?

Do you realize how silly that sounds? Akainu would be the laughing stock the entire grand line if his DF could be nullified by a fucking windmill.

>inb4 the windmill-windmill no mi is Akainu's natural enemy.
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>>101177333
>>101177333
>>101177333
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>>101177231

Could Aojiki get to the Absolute Zero? I'd think Ice is his limit, but who knows.
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>>101177231
>>101177194
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia
It's stated on the wiki
"Logia users' physical strengths do not influence the power of the fruit. Regardless of the original strength of the user, their gained powers are of the same scale."

A logia power has a base scale that can't be influenced by the user's strength
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>>101177469

You are seriously retarded.
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>>101177589
I hope not. This isn't Saint Seiya
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>>101177553
Don't diss the windmill motherfucker
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>>101177553

It would have to be a strong propeller. I always thought that the Wind Logia would be a good elemental match to Akainu.
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>>101177437
I'll go by Oda's own words via Akainu before I go by your headcanon
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>>101177643
get out of here, ad hominemfag
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>>101177635
>by the user's strength
Sure. Doesn't mean they can't train their logia though.
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>>101177752

I'll ad hominem all day if it's true.
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>>101177635

>wiki
>physical strength
>logia

Alright now I just know you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes of fucking course the physical strength won't impact how skilled someone is with his Logia. Garp could eat the Hie Hie no mi right now and wouldn't be able to freeze Tsunami.

That doesn't change the fact that people can get better at using their fruit. That's the entire point.
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>>101177796
you can ad hominem all day and it will never make you right
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>>101177834
I was agreeing with you in that regard.A person can in fact hone their logia ability and become "stronger" with it, but the base power of it never changes i;e, Ace's flame can't get hotter, and Aoikiji's ice won't get colder.
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>>101176528
Buggy can't do that because as far as we know buggy has no understanding of nuclear phyics.

and if his ability has a limiter what is the size limit for the peices that come off? As far as I can remember he has to make cross sections of himself.
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>>101177723
So you'll believe bluffs by villains over what directly happens in the manga? Please tell me you don't think a tired/cramped/hungry Ace could beat Admirals who are fresh and healthy.
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>>101176289
He'll make them all smile
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>>101177970
>but the base power of it never changes i;e, Ace's flame can't get hotter, and Aoikiji's ice won't get colder.
You're pulling this straight out of your ass.
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>>101173985
Yeah, and why not the other guys?
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>>101174058
Yup, hence the suspense comment.
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As far as the whole Ace/Akainu thing goes... What if Ace took the hit intentionally? Akainu's haki would let him hit Ace regardless and if ace had morphed around the punch, Luffy would have died
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>>101178117
It states it right in the wiki.
Ace was outclassed. Deal with it.
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>>101178244
The point stands that his magma burnt his fire.
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>>101177970
Oda left the possibility open, and Kuzan freezing sea water is a little strange if he's pure ice.
>R: Question, Odacchi! Ace ate the Mera Mera no Mi so he can...[2]

>(1) "Can turn his body into flame"?
>(2) "Can shoot flame from his body", which one is it?
>O: The answer is (1). But his secret move "Hiken" (Fire Punch) is a skill where he raises his "firepower" and turns his fist into a huge flame, so it ends up looking more like (2).
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>>101178298
Not if Ace wasn't currently made of fire. Then it just burnt flesh.
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>>101178268
The wiki isn't written by Oda. It's written by people like you who read the manga and infer shit
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moria has turned ace into a zombie
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>>101178268
>wiki
Yeah you just lost what little credibility you may have had.
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>>101178533
Moria was wrecked by Pacafistas and Mingo.
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>>101178417
Akainu said so, that's why any reader can write it in the wiki and it doesn't get deleted.
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>>101178533
And Whitebeard
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>>101178298
That doesn't mean his fruit is stronger, Akainu is far stronger than Ace is.
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>>101178331
raise as increases the volume
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>>101176633
>no reason to believe the fruit has any potential beyond what we've been shown

next you'll be saying kalifa can't produce bubbles with her queefs because they haven't been shown onscreen
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>>101178331
That could also just mean he punches with fire a lot harder.
>>101178417
>>101178547
You choose to ignore the one instance where hierarchy was established, showing that the base strength of the logia power is constant.
You can keep implying whatever bullshit you want.
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>>101178833
>You choose to ignore the one instance where hierarchy was established, showing that the base strength of the logia power is constant.
>You can keep implying whatever bullshit you want.
If you have an example of that happening I'd love to see it. The wiki doesn't count though and is completely worthless for discussions like this.
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>>101176894
you're insinuating that Luffy took absolutely no damage from Enel
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>>101178833
>You choose to ignore the one instance where hierarchy was established, showing that the base strength of the logia power is constant.
I don't recall that being established anywhere in the manga.
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>>101178917
>>101178993
>inb4 Akainu said it
No. He said his magma is hotter than Ace's fire. He didn't say "My magma is hotter and will always be hotter so there's nothing you can do about it except not fight me."
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>>101178993
Because you are ignoring it.
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>>101179159
Then post it.
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>wiki



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