So here's something that has been on my mind for a while. According to these charts(and even the updated charts that I don't have) I.G, Madhouse and Bones are usually always considered "Top Tier" by /a/ after the threads have ended. So why is it these studio's never get circled jerked around here but a small studio like SHAFT is? KyoAni circle jerking is a little more understandable. They've made many, many more hits and their animation is typically fluid but they are never voted put in" Top Tier."
Simple anon, culturefags here think that kyoani and shaft represent what anime as a whole is in this day and age more than anyone else. Which complete bullshit mind you.
Getting circle jerked around isn't a sign of quality.
>from top to dead
Thats depressing as hell
That chart is ridiculously outdated.
>(and even the updated charts that I don't have)
I'd like to see the most updated chart myself.
But all signs seem to point to this.>>101159809
I.G, bones and madhouse fans don't have to make constant threads to remind people how great they were and still can be.
Think of it like this. You know how when an album or game gets aoty or goty on a website? All you do is see people bitching in the comment section how the wrong choice was made? Same principle here. When you've already won or you're already the best you don't have fans making constant reminders or bitching about it. They already know how great they are without forcing it down peoples throats.
So I guess you could say SHAFT and KyoAni fans are insecure.
Madhouse haven't made a good show in years. I don't know why people overrate them so much.
How do threads translate to insecurity? That's some massive stretch there, anon. When a show isn't talked about, it's usually of no interest or doesn't provide any content to talk about. And lacking the substance to sustain a lasting fanbase is a lot, but not a sign of quality.
What kind of retard made this chart holy shit
Because Madhouse and Bones don't have a distinctive style like Shaft and Kyoani do.
Obviously you take Gainax way down. But I agree,definitely move madhouse down now.
Some studios like WIT and Trigger need to be added to mid tier
>haven't made a good show in years
>Hajime no Ippo 3rd season
Confirmed to know absolutely nothing.
Because Bones is actually terrible outside adaptations 99% of the time.
>bones, mad house, ig, gainax
is it 2002 again?
>Because Madhouse and Bones don't have a distinctive style
You're right they have range and don't rehash as often like the latter 2.
This actually... makes a lot of sense
>never goes beyond S2 of a show
2/10 for making me reply
Okay what I should have said was their good show to shit show ratio is about 1:10.
>No white fox
Anon that's not what he is talking about. Look at all their shows. Same art, same setting, really similar character designs. Their last really good anime was hyouka. It took all those things and did something unique with them.
That's so outdated it's not even funny.
Bones is shit though
Madhouse isn't relevant and Ganiax is dead. Bones however has a huge year in front of them and I.G was arguably the most successful studio last year.
So I say you need to get caught up with things yourself
Thy're shit at hiring good directors and writers. They have best animation talent on hand though.
While I agree with some of that, people should stop using Hyouka as a reference. It was a masterpiece. To compare other shows to it and then say "meh, it's not as good as that" still makes shows pretty good. At least Chuuni falls clearly into that category, others may be debatable. And they should get points for branching out into different approaches, like recently with a male cast (Free) or a more serious approach (KnK). So they are in process of branching out and widening their approach.
Can't say much against the art, of course, which clearly is similar (with exception of Nichijou), but in how much this is a problem remains a subjective point of view IMO.
10/10 Simply because of where Gainax is now.
>Most successful studio last year
Attack on titan and pokemon...that's it.
Well, some of the best.
Madhouse's relevance comes more in their movie output.
I updated it OP here you go
Only in more recent years have Kyoto recycled the same old art style and character designs designs. They don't really have a story of it.
Maybe the day they release Kizu, but not before that.
>TRIGGER nowhere to be found
You sure anon?
What exactly was so great about Hyouka? Chitanda was annoying as hell to me. Really sick of how KyoAni characters are always so simpleminded and saccharine.
Monogatari is RIP in piss along with SZS now
Mekaku city actors is their new thing
cba to search for their logo, besides mid tier is full already
Someone is just going to respond with it in low anyway
Again, you don't know shit. They had Garganita and Psycho Pass last year as well. Both had 9k-10k averages, Both were originals on top of that. Then you have the GitS Arise OVA's. They performed well at the box office and both have sold 15k+ on dvds/blu-rays. Last but certainly not least is Kuroko 2.
So yeah, they did really fucking well.
Well, recent history then. I've always considered three in a row to be the sign of a pattern when it comes to things like this.
Those were the golden days.
Anime is dead.
Not even Yamakan can save it now.
That chart is shit anyway.
>imaishi & his padawans gone
their office must be empty
You I dislike you.
Looks mostly really good and has good adaptions but only on BD
Repeating the same style far too often but otherwise solid direction and good production values - Well planned
Cheap half-assed adaptions or Decent adaptions depending on the staff. Can produce decent originals from time to time
Got better - Atleast decent in terms of everything lately but cheap as dirt
Very good in terms of direction and production values - Great action. Suffers from shit writing and fucking up adaptions with original ends
Good overall - Not great - Not mediocre.
Decent - Well direction. Lot's of QUALITY and cheap - The new DEEN
Decent - Good but suffers from bad planning. BD release needed from time to time.
Interesting and good direction but now they are wasting their time with adapting mediocre stuff
Good for asses and tits. Okay for Sci-Fi
Well direction but also cheap but not as cheap as Manglobe or DEEN - Suffers from S2never
Mostly adapting shit but they are doing decent jobs in pretty much every way
Mediocre production values and good direction. Has lost some of its touch. MAPPA needs to deliver soon.
Mediocre - Cheap production values. Okayish direction.
What are the criteria being considered here? Animation quality? Total productions per year? Sales per year?
These charts are pretty skewed, so I'm really confused.
>That chart is shit anyway.
It's old. Someone who actually has the latest one from the last thread needs to post it.
They're riding off Eva, they haven't made a decent show in years.
>Very good in terms of direction
Pffft, but their stuff is often horrendously paced.
>Suffers from shit writing and fucking up adaptions with original ends
They fuck up the endings to their original works too.
Not that success at the box office should be an automatic entry to the top-tier area. Else Stephenie Meyer could be considered a top-tier writer for "Twilight".
No white fox either.
Eva is done by Khara, Anno's personal studio.
GAINAX is dead.
They've only really put out really mediocre adaptations recently after a bunch of their staff left for Trigger.
The point to be made here was how successful they were last year. That's all. Which means they are staying very much relevant. They have a world wide movie coming out in the next month or 2.
I took it as Gainax is still alive in part because of rebuild. Khara animates it but Gainax is still a partner when it comes to revenue are they not?
ah, I really haven't paid much attention to EVA so I didn't know who was making it now.
>Mediocre in production values
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
According to their website they get credit for all of Rebuild.
Less for 3.0 though because ORIGINAL THE CHARACTERS
They might as well be. Everyone who mattered left for Trigger or Khara.
Really not that bad of deduction. You're giving shaft to much credit though. They're mediocre. Some times they go above that.
If by "well direction" you mean cut out shitload of source material and rushed adaptations then you're right
Where is Madhouse wasting dosh on big animators and original anime?
A static staff will inevitably influence each other, and also thanks to this we have the top notch animation they give us. Keeping sort of similar character designs for each show doesn't really have to be bad, either, as it makes their shows distinguishable.
That is not direction. That is fucking with the script.
>What are the criteria being considered here?
Stop trying so hard.
Big animators + original anime does not equate to mediocre production values.
TMS > *
Fuck you, plebs.
If Madhouse is so good then why can't finish Kon's last movie?
This is basically why. It has nothing to do with the "quality" of the studios. Everything SHAFT makes looks the same. Everything KyoAni makes looks the same. You can look at those shows and say "Yeah, that's SHAFT/KyoAni".
There isn't much to clue you in that, for example, Gargantia and Psycho-Pass are the same studio, other than really the fact that IG likes making sci-fi stuff.
Then you have studios like Trigger that are recognizable just because the individual artists that make it up like Sushio are instantly recognizable.
>I.G always in top tier
Still give me faith that you guys aren't complety fucking retarted
If Madhouse is so good then why did they fire Redline's director?
Yes. That's fine for the world. Or not.
If Madhouse is so good then why did Maruyama leave Madhouse to found Mappa?
>Everything SHAFT makes looks the same
u wot m8
Good direction doesn't mean anything to do with how something adapts a source material, does it?
If I adapted The Bible into a high school yuri anime, it could still have great direction - one scene of Ruth and Esther-chan holding hands might have great shots and flow well into the next - but it could still leave out source material or get it completely wrong.
The rushed part's fine.
I.G. are really hit or miss, can be good, can be bad. A1 are similar but they put out a lot more shit.
Because he needed 7 years for doing his job
Because he doesn't want to do shitty LN adaptions and Marvel shit
Why this frog isn't sad.
thats teh joke
He never said anything about how good they are, only their success. And those numbers don't lie, they did really well in comparison to other companies. We're not talking about the subjective with that.
You accidentally fell for a troll chart. Here's the correct one.
>I.G. are really hit or miss, can be good, can be bad.
Oh yeah definitely but they have proved more entertaining form show to show these last few years then anyone else. They take more chances at doing outlandish things to. Look at Kick heart and Giovanni Island and their Bunny Drop adaption.
>why did Maruyama leave Madhouse to found Mappa?
Some angel whispered to him about Teekyu.
Uh, just because they adapt lots of different kinds of stories doesn't mean their style isn't immediately recognizable. All of their shows feature a certain kind of fluid animation, powerpoint shit, HEADTILTS, and a notable reluctance to ever draw background characters. I'm not criticizing them, I'm just answering OP's question. SHAFT, KyoAni, and Trigger are big circlejerk targets because they're recognizable. The same thing applies to a lot of things. Anime composers, for example. Iwasaki and Sawano.
Madhouse now is just a shell of its former self.
It's not a studio full of talented animators and directors anymore.
anohana isn't even a shaft anime
Thank you for pointing out, genius.
Dude ... the whole thread, as well as the original statement this particular discussion originated from, refers to the tier-level. Not to financial success. That's retarded and as has been pointed out already, would result in lowest-common-denominator garbage being an entry card into top-tier level just because it sells well. This should be about quality, not about money. If people think otherwise, it's a rather sad state of affairs.
Going to Japan this summer. Friends and I plan to eat at the restaurant that's open to the public in I.G's studio. Can't wait.
Needs Joseph doing the head tilt.
I'd put a "Post 2009" Madhouse, Deen, and Pierrot in shit tier. I'd put Artland in High tier. I'd put post PSG Gainax in low tier. Outside of that I agree.
added asread and trigger and made some changes, most of the studios in OP's mid tier haven't made ANYTHING since 2010-11
Not as of very recent. And their shit from 10-12 years ago are brilliant.
>Madhouse above Kyoani.
What is this madness.
I fail to see what the problem is.
Madhouse aren't afraid to take risks. Kyoani are.
madhouse made some pretty good shit in the past and people (myself included) are giving them 1 more chance with mahouka, if that turns out to be shit as well they're finished
>tfw both your favorite and most hated anime came from BONES
I have a love/hate feeling towards them.
Nope. They a shit.
>JC Staff anywhere but low tier.
Good job parroting the first thing you saw in /a/.
>Being this retarded.
The only good thing they have made in ages is Golden Time. That's the only saving grace they are from being in shit tier.
Good job trying to act superior.
Golden Time is shit. WCW this season is much better.
I haven't even been keeping up with anime this season. My opinion is based from the first five episodes of GT and last season.
I'll check out WCW.
I'm horrifically out of the loop, but when did Gainax die?
Their last really good anime was Lucky Star, and even then, it's love or hate.
Lucky Star was also the last SOL show they made that had any actual jokes.
When they started making shit like Medaka Box and C3-bu.
Madhouse is definitely best studio.
Most people who haven't seen much anime think either Kyoani or Shaft is the best (I used to think Kyoani was the best when I had seen <100 anime)
They aren't dead.
People just call them dead because the retarded TRIGGER crew isn't working there anymore.
PA Works in Dead Tier .
>horrifically out of the loop
You can search for their lineup and pretty much tell the year when they flatlined.
the majority of their talent left to form Trigger
Anno took his crew and they are now going all lucas on evangelion's ass
Anno left for Khara.
Everyone else who was actually worth a shit left for Trigger.
Their talent is gone. Gainax is, in fact, dead.
But... manglobe is making Sam Flam, why is it always high?
Because the guy who creates those charts has a massive boner for Raison d'être
What about Studio 4c
One bad anime doesn't change your position in a chart. Same with making only one good anime.
I confused them with another studio thanks for pointing it out, they belong in at least mid tier
>relevant in any way
>DEEN and KyoAni in the same tier
>thinking he is in the position to rank those
it might be a bit harsh, but kyoani doesn't belong in mid tier either
maybe deen has to be moved in shit tier
Unicorn made a shit-ton of money even if they haven't had much luck in the TV department lately, and Origin is coming out this year or the next.
>I confused them with another studio thanks for pointing it out, they belong in at least mid tier
Who were you thinking of? A1?
Of course they're relevant.
Why does mal count shit like 'seikaisha' as their own studio? It makes it hard as shit to actually sort by which are your favorites
Kill yourself. Or at least open your profile to comments again
They can't be dead if they're still making anime, retard.
This is the truest one out of the bunch.
We'll never get that second season.
toilet humor is so 2008
But Space Dandy is from 2014.
Pretty sure nobody cares about modern Madhouse and Gainax.
I'd say my favourite studio is Madhouse, since they've put out shows with so many different visual styles over the years
>Suffers from S2never
I always feel lucky as a Natsume fan
Why are Artland low tier? Didn't they do Mushishi and LoGH?
>Pretty sure nobody cares about modern Madhouse
>Hajime no Ippo
Gainax a shit though I agree
It's according to this year tripfag.
Within the past 5 years (which all of those are) is considered modern. Chihayafuru was 2013.
I.G is the best of the best. Glad we all agree.
It's because SHAFT and Kyoani have a fandom rivalry, so you can't mention studios without one of them getting up in arms about the other.
It only looks like circlejerking. In reality, it's just that their arguments are the loudest.
People fight about them a lot because they're both very influential studios with completely opposite styles and ideals.
I don't get why people get so angry over Shaft and Kyoani, I've liked and disliked shows by both studios.
They basically don't exist now.
Needs updating. Silver Link are already making a splash. I would expect them to at least qualify for HighTier by the end of the year.
>A1 and SHAFT are on level with fucking Xebec
Am I being rused?
I know, right?
Xebec should be higher.
I'm not a fan of Shaft and I disn't enjoy anything from them other than Madoka but I'll admit they have interesting artistic direction. Kyoani though is just so damn repetitive and they draw the worst faces.
Why does everyone leave off the TypeMoon studio? They are at least mid tier.
>trigger in top tier when they really haven't done anything
I'm not falling for that mister
As good as LWA, Inferno Cop and Turning Girls were I'd wait at least until KlK is over and preferably after LWA2 before I put them into any tier.
>people unironically liking Trigger this much
Shit you kids are gay
List studios I need to add.
Also, tell me why my tastes are shit
>Made up of ex-Gainax staff
>Gainax was god-tier (see >>101159743)
>Now Gainax is dead (see >>101159935)
>All talent went to Trigger
It's not that hard to understand. Even if you hate KLK you can't deny that they're Gainax 2.0.
Gainax sucks is the problem
Gainax was liked because sometimes they had a budget. You can't be top tier without a budget unless you're Manglobe.
The studios are rated by their portfolios, not their staff.
Trigger's portfolio couldn't be worse as of right now.
I see nothing wrong with this. You could add Khara but there's not much point to that.
Add White Fox to high tier, more Shaft to High and Brain's Base and Manglobe to mid.
You forgot ufotable.
out jc staff lower they have proven their shitness recently
Fate/Zero was animated beautifully but overall they're not that spectacular yet.
KnK was a pretty amazing accomplishment for a new studio.
>Shaft to High
>Manglobe to mid.
this. Why are you retards keeping Manglobe in high?
>>Hajime no Ippo 3rd season
Oh what the fuck.
studio ranking charts are all bogus for the same reason recommendation charts are shit. they're always flooded with the kind of person who cries that anime is dying and only their favorite shows from the 90s are good. anyone that pays attention to currently airing shows can tell you madhouse hasn't made anything good in years and all of ig's recent attempts at hit shows have failed to meet expectations. at least people are finally starting to accept that gainax is dead.
Flawless logic right here.