>As long as you remember her, you are not alone
>Homura in charge of remembering
Whose idea was it to make PTSD-chan the eternal evangelist again?
So what? She is insane God now.
>not shitty otaku-pandering cashgrab
>Implying Shinbo/Inu Curry weren't planning this before they ever convinced Urobuchi to hop aboard the sequel train
It's ironic how you decry the film for pandering to the lowest common denominator. Clearly that's wrong because it didn't appeal to you.
>Implying Rebellion isn't worth it alone for the Mami fight
If you haven't found what makes the film so visceral yet thoughtful, and inspired yet creative, maybe you just haven't looked?
And that picture is supposed to be evidence? Because thats just InuCurry reusing assets.
That doesn't make it shit.
A lot of people trashtalk Madoka from its start, because it's super succesful. I think you should ignore that.
And even more love the series but hate the movies.
Why is that?
>not shitty otaku-pandering cashgrab
You're seeing things are not there.
Rebellion isn't canon. Deal with it.
>That picture is supposed to be evidence?
It's spelled out pretty clearly for you, yes.
You are going to need something more specific than bunch of pictures InuCurry could use at any time.
There is a witch in our bedroom, can we sleep in your bed for tonight? We are so scared.
can't wait for bds any longer
Are you daft? I can't prove a negative assertion. The burden of proof falls upon you to show me evidence that Inu Curry uses those assets whenever they feel like it.
I posit that the tree during the KyouHomu scene is foreshadowing of the darkness that lurks within Homura. Hints like these are dispersed throughout the movie. It's no stretch at all to notice the design similarity between Homura's stiff, branching wings and the branches of a naked tree.
Before you claim that it means nothing--why is the tree naked in the late spring, have you asked yourself that?
He literally just posted a canon picture of Homucifer with the same fucking wings Homura has in the series ending. No one could possibly spell the correlation out more clearly for you. Maybe you could just open you eyes?
HOLY SHIT KILL IT WITH FIRE
> The burden of proof falls upon you to show me evidence that Inu Curry uses those assets whenever they feel like it.
The burden of proof falls upon you to show me evidence that the images used were not just InuCurry reusing his images.
The wings at end of series were added just to look cool. They used whatever graphics they they had at the moment. Then the Rebellion happened and they used the same assets to save time.
This is much saner theory than the one they planned continuation before series ended.
Shinbo planned it. I don't think Gen even knew of that final scene.
>Shinbo planned it.
Thats just wishful thinking from Rebellion-likers.
And "planned it" in this case means "he got an idea". You know how many fucking ideas are there.
Its basically same as /a/'s "Its popular so it gets second season" thinking.
Inu Curry is a duo, and notice your wording: "were not". That's a negative proof, and I can't use absence of evidence as evidence of absence. My argument holds the default position, and it's up to you to prove otherwise.
>This is much saner theory than the one they planned continuation before series ended.
Yeah, holy SHIT what a crazy idea, right? It's not like Shinbo and Iwakami were pestering Urobuchi about a sequel while Madoka was airing and convinced him that summer or anything.
All you have to do is present scenes that Inu Curry reuses those images. But, surprise, you can't, because you're fucking wrong!
but those scenes are >>101158319
The thing is the reuse has absolutely no relevance to the argument.
Wait. What are we arguing again? Because that interview clearly states the rebellion was never planned to be a continuation. So it is obvious they wanted to continue just to make more money, not to tell more story.
>Hm, black feathers. I'll bet they don't mean anything at all. Why would the black feather be symbolic of anything? Sure, the white feather is Madokami's, and the ribbon is the bond between Madoka and Homura, but the black feather is just there because Hanokage is reusing assets
It pretty clearly states that Urobuchi never planned for a continuation when he wrote the original script, you mean. However, Urobuchi isn't the one who was pushing for a sequel the entire time the series was airing, and he wasn't the one who put Homura's black-wing scene into the ending.
>[Urobuchi] hinted that the meaning behind [Homura's] wings may be explained in the Madoka Magica movie trilogy.
People that read deep into symbolism that doesnt exist are the worst. Even worst than shounenfags.
Again. How is that argument against Rebellion being a otaku-pandering cashgrab?
I'd love to hear your compelling argument on why the manga doesn't present the same canonical story as the anime rather than "maybe if I say it again, it'll be less baseless this time!"
I'm saying the assets aren't randomly reused at all. The reason why they're present in both the wings and the naked tree is because the tree is imagery for Homura's wings.
>I'm saying the assets aren't randomly reused at all.
We are talking about InuCurry here. Who embodies "random" visuals. Or are you saying everything InuCurry does has some kind of symbolism?
>So it is obvious they wanted to continue just to make more money, not to tell more story.
What bugs me about anonymity is that you don't leave yourself vulnerable at all. You can be throwing stones from a glass house and no one will notice.
Pray tell, what are your favorite series? From what you're saying, they must have been flawlessly planned all in one sitting, with the full script for the entire franchise written out before production ever started.
Maybe you should go to MAL or AnimeSuki if you dislike the detachment between information or opinion and identity.
>they must have been flawlessly planned all in one sitting, with the full script for the entire franchise written out before production ever started.
Actually, yes. I have yet to see a good show that isn't like that.
Of course it is not guarantee for show being good. It is a requirement.
Actually, we're talking about Inu Curry, who designed all of the witches themselves.
What about them is "random"? They designed every aspect of the witches to reflect their lives and psyches from when they were alive.
>I'm too shallow-minded to see the patterns and symbolism, therefore there is no pattern!
Why did you even watch the series? Go back to your Infinite Stratos thread.
Just finished the second movie. Sayaka's transformation is fucking dramatic with the new music. Time for Rebellion, wish me luck.
>It is a requirement
Pretty much any adaption ever is using a plot that wasn't all written in one go. Kino no Tabi. Mushishi. Whisper of the Heart/The Cat Returns. Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Sayaka's transformation is dramatic in Rebellion too...
Well, there is this.
The only reason Homura was able to maintain her sanity through 100+ timelines and all the shit that happened in them was Madoka's presence in all of them. No matter how bad things got she could still touch and talk with her.
But when she was gone Homura just couldn't take it. Protecting Madoka was her reason for living and Madoka took that away from her.
Yeah, it really seemed like Madoka was just the glue holding her shattered psyche together. Of course, Rebellion confirms this.
Cutest insane God. Better than angry old fart with a beard.
Finished the series yesterday.
Am i the only one who thinks this is really overrated?
It was pretty damn good but not really 9+/10 good.
Yes i realize this is probably the worst place to ask
For me it was the opposite. I thought it was going to be overrated moebullshit but now I love it will all my soul.
>Madoka Magica aired three years ago
Many trolls were saying that this series would be forgotten by the end of 2011. Guess what happened.
This isn't the worst place to ask by far. I found it to be overrated as well. The internet buzz/shitstorm/surprise that was placed upon the 3rd episode was laughable.
Now I know how people who were unimpressed with NGE feel...
I wish it had been forgotten but 4chan and the creator simply will not let it go for whatever reason.
I watched the series from the beginning but avoided the threads because even back then I thought the fanbase was annoying and overhyped everything. Not to mention how pretentious all that "speculah" was. In the end though I was roped in and by episode 10 I was firmly converted into a homufag. I was blown away by her pure devotion and steadfastness in the face of adversity all for the sake of a selfless love.
I didn't expect Homu to follow the path that she did in Rebellion, but as a true homu I fully support her decisions and now proudly bend the knee to her as my Queen. Hail Homu.
>will not let it go for whatever reason.
Because people like it. Not very complicated.
Madoka is, by some measures, the biggest anime franchise that began this millennium.
I don't know if that says more about Madoka, or the state of anime right now.
There is fucking nothing "dramatic" about her stop this fucking drama bullshit over Sayaka it's really annoying, plus I'm sure it's always the same dude posting this same thing
>As long as you remember her, you are not alone
Except since she's not actually within reach, it's more accurate to say that you are very, very alone.
What the actual fuck are you talking about?
I was talking about the change in music retard, fuck off somewhere else.
It's the most dramatic thing in the series, you cunting boob.
Yes Homu. Yes you are.
That cat though.
Seriously, what was up with that?
I thought it's just because I expected something to happen but holy shit it was a minor twist at best.
I always thought her actions in the "current" timeline were really weird considering she went through all of this already.
If the main objective is to shield madoka from becoming a witch, why bother with all of that other shit?
Just stay with her for fucks sake and prove to her you're from the future, you know stuff that's going to happen!
>Hurr people don't believe the future
She tried once (on screen) that shit is stupid.
The series as a whole was top notch but that bugged the hell out of me
Do you have the pic without the text? Reverse search doesn't work.
The point of showing the specific timelines that they did were to give examples of how she tried everything she could. They couldn't show us 100 timelines but they showed enough to make it obvious that homu 1) is really smart, 2) learns from her mistakes, and 3) is very pragmatic in her decision-making. So given these character traits we just have to give in to the assumption that she tried EVERYTHING she could.
You probably aren't thinking DEEP enough.
Maybe another point is that you went into it with too high expectations, thinking it would conform to your brand of super amazing. I find when I do this I'm always let down, so maybe try and watch it some time later. I've seen people who do this end up taking it far more seriously the 2nd time around.
It's really not the surprise factor that makes it good. It's just a very compact, concise, emotional roller coaster of a story. It doesn't waste any time.
It's not an empty twist, it's more like the end of the prologue, like you've walked through a happy magical girl story and crossed the threshold into a darker storyline, and suddenly the gates slam shut behind you.
Mami set up a light tone for the series and her death is imagery for, "let go of your expectations for the genre, because it's not going to get any happier from here on out."
Maybe if your goofy looking ass didn't witch out every time, you could've been the eternal evangelist.
I think Sayaka evangelist would would be a bad idea for reasons entirely different.
we need to turn on our creative drives and make some classy Rebellion macros.
>It's just a very compact, concise, emotional roller coaster of a story. It doesn't waste any time.
When it comes to emotional roller coasters, I've seen better. Granted they were portrayed across more than 12 mere episodes.
Madoka Magica doesn't waste any time, you are right about that, but due to everything seeming so rushed to me, I didn't have time to connect with most of the characters so I felt very little for any of them except for Madoka herself - and that is definitely not saying a lot.
The character I was "supposed to feel for", Homura, I simply pegged as nuts and moved on. I felt nothing for her.
a 24 episode series would have served this one well.
>why bother with all of that other shit?
What do you mean? Walpurgisnacht is going to destroy the town. In order to prevent Madoka from sacrificing herself by making a contract, she has to become strong enough to stop Walpurgisnacht. Madoka is not going to simply ignore the city being destroyed and her friends/family dying.
>Hurr people don't believe the future
It's more like telling them that magical girls are evil is pointless. No one is going to believe that, because if they accept that then there's no point in continuing to fight for whatever good they think they're doing.
Madoka understood this at the end of time line 3. She didn't tell Homura to go back and tell everyone about the future(didn't work), she told her to go back and save her from being tricked by Kyubey.
Anyway, as >>101165363 mentioned, you're suppose to think of it as trying to change fate itself, which seems impossible. The only hope left she has beyond time line 3 was Madoka. If she somehow gave up on her, or thought she could not save her, then she'd just become a witch.
>The character I was "supposed to feel for", Homura, I simply pegged as nuts and moved on. I felt nothing for her.
So what you're saying is that you have no soul.
Thanks, I never thought saucenao would actually work.
>I didn't have time to connect with most of the characters so I felt very little for any of them except for Madoka herself - and that is definitely not saying a lot.
More or less proves my point, you didn't take it seriously.
How can you feel nothing for the characters, and to dismiss Homura completely? I would suggest re-watching it some time later, that's all.
>The character I was "supposed to feel for", Homura, I simply pegged as nuts and moved on. I felt nothing for her.
Not who you responded to but I feel the same and I'm pretty sure i watched it seriously.
>1000 timelines, will try to save u 5-eva luv u so much madoka
I know this isn't how they wanted to portray it but that's exactly what I felt.
It was too cheesy to be taken seriously.
That means you didn't take it seriously at all, anon.
That or Kyubey is your favorite character.
Reminder that Homura is the main character, and Madoka is the protagonist.
People should really stop trying to defend things they like from people with terrible opinions. Engage someone that can actually deliver true criticism.
I tried recommending this once to a shounenfag thinking it's pretty accessible and all he could manage to make of it was: Madoka is so whiny, why doesn't she ever do anything like my epic shounen heroes, Homura was badass though.
These are the kind of people we're dealing with, they can't see things from outside their frame of reference. Someone who couldn't even connect to a character like Homura is hopeless.
It's all personal preference of course. Personally I eat characters like her right up.
It's just that the series has a handful of compelling characters so it's rare for someone not to attach to at least one of them.
Kyubey was a great "character", doesn't mean i can't hate him/it.
In the same way i consider Homura to be a weak one even though I wanted her to succeed.
Oh? I thought she was the worthless character that doesn't know what's best for herself.
Splitting hairs like this will only provoke circular arguments.
They're protagonist and deuteragonist. Which one is which is simply a matter of perspective.
Perhaps you should consider that if Homura gave up, she'd turn into a witch. So Madoka herself isn't all that plays into it, it's also somewhat of a struggle for her own survival.
As Kyubey said it, she can't simply choose to cut her losses, or she'll turn into a witch.
Pretty sure she's never fought for Madoka for a self-centered reason like "If I fail I'll become a witch". She doesn't care about anyone else in the world, so why would it bother her that she'll turn into something that'll kill everyone it can? She fucking glorifies it to Madoka in Timeline 3.
She was fighting to make her wish come true, the consequence of failing was never an incentive to do so.
Her motivation to save her in the first place wasn't portayed very well in my opinion.
>Did she consider her to be her best friend from the start?
>Did it happen gradually through multiple timelines?
>How long did it aprox. take?
The only clue I can find is her incredible stamina/strength/speed but why do her injuries not carry over if that does?
Homura isn't a character that's fleshed out, believable and rational.
While I get her motivation and how she can't turn back, her way to go about things in the timelines we've seen is weird at best.
>Did she consider her to be her best friend from the start?
Yes, Madoka was the first one in the school to be nice to her and if you recall she had to deal with being talked about behind her back for being a hospitalized weakling.
Honestly I agree that I don't see where this utter devotion to solely Madoka came from, I mean in the first timeline Mami was just as nice to her as Madoka and she died against Walspurgis too but no "save Madoka, Mami's shit out of luck."
Please rewatch the show, or even just episode 10. You were clearly not paying attention or are just stupid, going by the gibberish you just wrote.
What >>101168011 said.
Maybe it's just me being a normalfag but the way Homu just falls in undying love is ridiculous.
Because going through a bajillion time lines to be with her doesn't prove Homu is a 'little' mentally unstable.
Homura is fleshed out, her reasons explored, her motivations made obvious, and it's all pretty clear if you paid attention. She grew attached to Madoka because she was the only one who supported her and showed her warmth and cheerfulness. She made an impulsive decision to redo her meeting after traumatically watching this new friend die. She got closer and closer to her and eventually grew to love her. The breaking point was when Madoka asked Homura to making sure QB would never trick her into becoming a magical girl followed by Homura having to mercy kill her. Everything after that is Homura trying to fulfill her promise to Madoka because she was someone she loved. It's believable because people do selfless self-sacrificing things for those they love. It's not rational because love isn't rational, but her decisions in following this irrational decision were as pragmatic as possible all things considered.
Are you arguing that timeline one Moemura was incapable of comprehending having more than one friend due to her hospitalization ruining her social skills and leaving her mentally unstable?
Not being sarcastic, just want to be clear if this is what you're saying.
It would take far too long to give a proper character analysis for Homura that could explain this, so instead just watch:
It pretty much spells it out for you.
>explaining obvious shit to retards
>She grew attached to Madoka because she was the only one who supported her and showed her warmth and cheerfulness.
I guess Mami was just a giant jerk who always talked about how worthless Homura was right?
She did save her life, and offered the weak and pathetic Homura an equal friendship.
She grieves over the fact that someone like Madoka has to sacrifice and die for someone so weak like Homura. So part of her motivation is to repay what Madoka did for her.
Maybe another point is that Homura basically dies at time line 3, Madoka didn't even tell her she had any grief seeds left until after the witch marriage vow. The only thing keeping her going beyond that is Madoka's dying promise to keep her from being tricked.
Perhaps beyond this point her dedication and love only grows, since Madoka seemingly always manages to sacrifice herself to save Homura in every time line.
It probably wasn't an instantaneous process.
Madoka and Homura were friend. Mami was just there. Homura never liked her. Why do you think that you need to like everyone who isn't mean to you?
She probably never even saw Mami after her first day as she wasn't a magical girl yet. Madoka however was in her class.
>It probably wasn't an instantaneous process.
Obviously not and I can see why it happens as more timelines occur like you said. My problem is just the total concern for Madoka when Mami seemed to be just as open to being Homura's friend. It's just strange that both sacrificed their lives for the city and her, but Madoka is the only one worth making a wish for.
Mami was nice, but Madoka was the one that reached out to Homura as an equal. In all the other timelines you see Mami standing at a distance, posing, saying cool words, and uh...killing the other girls when she finds out the truth. Homura doesn't dislike Mami but she learns from her experience and the one thing she always found is that Mami is a zealot who can't be reasoned with and refuses to face to the truth.
How many mahou shoujos does it take to change a light bulb?
Just one. Her name is Mami, and she always uses her head in situations like these.
Oh, her abilities just come from being a magical girl. Her body doesn't actually carry over--only her soul itself is making the jump from reality to reality.
>her way to go about things in the timelines we've seen is weird at best.
If you ask me, Homura in the series' main timeline is a fatalist. She's like Rika as we see her for most of Higurashi--she hasn't lost sight of that faint glimmer of hope, but she has no idea how to reach it and so she becomes reactionary.
I'll spoonfeed you a bit because I think you're honestly too retarded to ever get it by yourself. Homura was especially drawn to Madoka because they're fundamentally the same, just that initially Madoka was Homura's ideal form (this is even alluded to in Colorful).
>"There you go Madoka, good as new!"
>"Thanks Mami! That's a weight off my shoulders."
Mami intentionally stays distant(due to past experiences?) and only plays a teaching/senpai role. It's Madoka who reaches out to Homura, not Mami.
But she does try to help Mami and everyone else in time line 3. Unfortunately the conclusion of that time line is that magical girls cannot be helped, and Madoka herself asks Homura to stop her from becoming one.
So it's more like Mami cannot really be saved, or will not be saved. Or as >>101168705 points out, it's counterproductive due to her intense belief in magical girls being a good thing. She believes Kyubey is her friend after all.
>I think you're honestly too retarded to ever get it by yourself.
Hey hey, let's turn the autism down. It's rare to get people actually discussing things they thought could've been done better rather than shitposting.
this guy gets it
Why can't anyone who actually watched the show and understand it offer some criticism? It's always retards who didn't pay attention who offer up their oh-so-profound opinions.
ok that makes sense and thinking over it I do see that when Mami spoke to Homura it was far away and more like a teacher than anything else.
Why don't you start faggot?
Haha that's not PreCure dude.
>this is even alluded to in Colorful
Which part was that?
That would involve work when retards just want to shitpost.
>In the ordinary days that were turned >upside-down, you were there
>Ahead of where I started to run
Homura had to be wrong for the right reasons.
But she's not wrong.
>rape your friends is not wrong.
She sets everything right in the end, but has to do a "wrong" thing to get there.
I get what you're trying to say, I do. But Homura didn't do ANYTHING wrong. She did right and the end was right. She's just right.
I tried my best.
People who watched the show and understood it DID offer their criticism. It's not their fault that you would rather call them retards who didn't pay attention.
The rape didn't happen yet.
but it will
>People who watched the show and understood it DID offer their criticism.
Definitely not in this thread.
I could even name some flaws myself, but I've honestly never seen anyone give any substantial criticism of either the series or Rebellion from an artistic point of view that held its ground. For example, while it's true there's some pandering in the movie, this hardly leads to any detriments to the story and is more of a criticism outside of the work like for instance the ending being changed.
Is this what Homura apostles really believe? Ignore everything your friends say for your own sake, violate the trust of your best friend, remove the free will of all your friends because you think you know better is not a ok thing to do.
>for your own sake
For Madoka's sake. But yeah, other than that you're right. It's definitely okay to hurt your friends to help them.
>"pls dont let me get qb'd homu"
>"i would never want to leave my family and friends"
>sayaka saying she's happy as piss to see her friends again
Yeah, that evil Homura ruins everything.
I don't give a shit about did wrong or right anymore. Just post Homura evolution pics you faggots.
Evolution is a lie created by atheists to promote masturbation.
No, Madoka was just fine and happy as Madokami, Homura just heard what she wanted because she didn't agree with the decision that Madoka had taken.
And you're an awful friend.
It's alright anon. Eventually you'll understand.
Homura just believed she was doing what's best for her after hearing what Madoka said in the flower field.
You're an awful friend if you'd sit by idly your friend hurt yourself when you can very well make things better for them. You have to apply force to help people sometimes. You're cutesy little ideal world where every respects everyone all the time is a lie.
>mfw the movie actually did violently divide the fanbase
No I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed it, it's just an easy tool to create a shitstorm in any particular thread.
You can enjoy the film without sympathizing(sympathy, not empathy) with the characters' motives and behavior.
>Homura just believed she was doing what's best for her after hearing what Madoka said in the flower field.
Yes, and Homura ignores everything that Madoka said during the space hug because what amnesiac Madoka says in the field of flowers aligns better with the own desires of Homura.
Madoka is not hurting herself, she was just fine and happy as Madokami. And you don't always need to hurt and harm your relationship to help a friend.
The division not between people who like and dislike the movie, it's between differing ideologies.
You're not helping you're point or adding anything new. Yes, she disregarded Madoka's desires because she thought she knew what was better for her. There's no problem with that.
Have you guys listened to this?
Or you can do both.
All it did was organize the division. Now you're either with Homu or against her. And those who go against Homu shall fall.
And then there are those in between who believe that both routes are necessary to unlock the true ending.
>You have to apply force to help people sometimes.
Somtimes, yes. Other times no.
Call me when they find the accordion that plays when Homulilly walks to the guillotine
I think the most interesting turn of events after Rebellion is how Sayakafags suddenly gained a massive boost in either numbers or autism.
The majority opinion was easily against her before the movie but now you see almost as many pro-Sayaka threads as you see pro-Homu threads.
Of course all of this just leads to HomuSaya spam which makes everyone mad. Or aroused. Or something.
HomuSaya rape soon.
She was flavor of the week for a little because people thought she was cool in le action scenes. Everyone who actually likes her or actually dislikes her has remained unchanged. Just a couple of faggots who like her summoning Octavia spamming really.
Are these from Rebellion?
>There's no problem with that.
And that's where you're wrong, because that damages their relasicion heavily, but I guess I will never convince you of see thing in that way so there's no point in trying.
No, they're from the Madoka music collection.
Sayakafags have always been vocal. The only thing I've noticed is the Kyoubros got quiet and don't do their own threads nearly as often.
They've moved on to more productive activities.
That's true come to think of it. She used to have weekly threads, right? I can't remember the last time I saw one of those. Of course the most quiet fanbase are those Madokafags, though those might just be a myth.
If they made it explicit that besides who's running the show and for what reasons, Homura's version of the meguca system was otherwise pretty similar to Madoka's(no finite grief seeds or need to eventually sacrifice magical girls to propagate the system), would the fanbase be less ambivalent?
So you put the status of the relationship ahead of keeping a friend safe.
That would be in the OST, I think the Oktavia vs Homulilly song is available.
Kyouko Friday died long before Rebellion came out, anon.
Yes, especially when the safety of that friend was already assured, as I said, Madoka was just fine and happy as Madokami.
Then you are the awful friend.
They'll be back after this Sunday, if you catch my drift.
Yeah, it's called We're Here for You. It was included in a Madoka edition MP3 player.
Oh shit. Is there a link to this?
Yeah, just ignore everything else I said in that post, just like Homura ignores everything Madoka says.
That's my second favorite couple besides homumado.
Give me a minute. I'll see if I can find it.
We brotp now.
I wonder if they formed a delinquent group at school together.
You have no idea how much I love you right now
Could you find the link to the music collection?
Both of them keep on ignoring what they say to each other, because of they keep on sacrificing themselves. They'll never have a complete understanding of each other unless someone steps down and be the sub and let the other one take it all.
There is no MadoHomu ending.
>Kyouko with an ridiculously long skirt, eating pocky as always, and a blunt bamboo version of her spear
>Homura swaggering around using the boy's uniform jacket as a cape and threatening to bust caps in niggas with her magical devil Deagle
You guys are great.
I've probably rewatched the movie a million times because of that OST. The Mami vs. Homura fight scene and the scene where Homura traps Madoka have the best music.
I don' know if Madoka really ignores what Homura said on purpose, I think it has more to do with the fact that most of the time Madoka doesn't know what the fuck Homura is talking about.
What kind of face is that supposed to be?
"Hey Homura, how do two girls have sex?" asked Kyouko abruptly.
"For what reason are you asking this, Kyouko?" Homura wide-eyed at the question asked in return.
"W-well, I-I think I've been making progress with S-sayaka, b-but, I really don't know anything about that s-stuff," Kyouko stammered thinking about Sayaka as she made her response.
"What makes you think I have more experience in this matter?" Homura responded bluntly.
"Well, you're very mature. And you seem to be doing well with Madoka. I thought maybe you two had already, well, done it," Kyouko said to Homura timidly.
"My relationship with Madoka isn't at that point. Sorry, I don't really have any experience in this matter either. I have looked this up online and studied it, but I lack any true experience," Homura said, explaining her status.
"How about we practice then? I really don't want to disappoint Sayaka," said Kyouko, not quite realizing the depth of the complications and implications behind such things.
"...alright," Homura answered after pondering for a moment. Holding a similar sentiment, Homura did not want to disappoint Madoka.
They'll probably team up to fight Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa if that counts.
That's not the Misterioso fight or transformation sequences.
She's looking directly at your cock.
>They'll probably team up to fight Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa
No, that's retarded.
>she sees your cock
Kyoko and Sayaka getting into a fight due to differing stances on Homura writes itself.
I thought the "Homura becomes a devil" prediction was retarded, mostly because it was too simple and I figured they were better than that.
But look where we are now.
Homura has drawn a clear line, and I don't see Kyouko starting out on Madoka's side to break the new world. Sayaka and Nagisa are aligned with Madoka naturally, so I don't see the problem here.
>and I don't see Kyouko starting out on Madoka's side to break the new world.
Yeah, just ignore that this is exactly what happens in the movie.
Except for the part in Rebellion where Kyouko and Sayaka work together to break out of the isolation field.
What does that have to do with them getting into a disagreement over Homura's new world?
Immediately after that, there's the scene in the desert where she laments losing Sayaka and Nagisa. Breaking the barrier where Madoka and civilians were trapped is a bit different; they were also trying to save Homura since she was suffering as a witch.
Is it bad my favorite character is Kyuubey?
He is heartless, but his cause is a just one which transcends humanity.
>Breaking the barrier where Madoka and civilians were trapped is a bit different; they were also trying to save Homura since she was suffering as a witch.
No that's exactly the case with the new world of Homura, the characters have no reason to see it differently, for them will be just another illusion.
I don't recall any part where Kyouko is dissatisfied with the dream world. She simply wants to help save Homura.
It's getting a bit irritating dealing with anons who can't get over their bias, yet they still post in the threads. e.g. >>101177948
Will justicefags ever grow tired of putting words in Sayaka's mouth?
>still forcing this
But that's exactly what she says at the end of the movie, anon.
A religion doesn't seem to be taken seriously until it's capable of powerfully violent acts and has loads in the bank.
The thought of well-backed fundamentalist fanboys slaughtering each other over the divide and torturing others to make them convert made me giggle.
It's not bad if you're hard utilitarian. Go read some Bentham and Mill.
No, the new world is a more acceptable cage for them. Breaking the barrier in the movie was necessary to save Homura, Madoka, civilians, and return to fighting the wraiths or whatever you want to call them.
Now the illusory world spans beyond a single city and includes everyone living their normal lives--not just people snatched off the street.
Maybe sides won't be drawn so early and so clearly. It'll be Sayaka, probably with Kyouko's help, trying to figure out what's with the weird memories and feelings they might have, or maybe something is weird about the world.
Somewhere along the way Kyouko might find out more, or come to a different conclusion. Then when Sayaka is about to do something drastic, maybe Kyouko will disagree.
It would be amusing to see Sayaka acting so zealous she becomes a villain from a certain perspective.
One day the Church of Homu shall rise and all homufags can live together in a grand tax-free monastery.
>Now the illusory world spans beyond a single city and includes everyone living their normal lives--not just people snatched off the street.
I don't know how that will make a difference for the characters, someone still is manipulating reality, it's the same reason that many characters in fiction want to break free of a fake world.
Are you shitting me anon?
Sayaka gets pissed off because Homura has defied God and her laws. Literally no one makes mention of an illusion or dreams. Furthermore, Sayaka feels threatened by the prospect of Homura destroying the world. If the world is illusory, wouldn't Sayaka be all for its destruction? Oh, but it's not and there's literally zero proof to your claims.
By your logic, Madokami's world is escapism because she's just 'running away' from the reality that magical girls become witches.
Except that's fucking wrong. Both Madoka and Homura rewrote reality.
Now stop making unfounded claims. Someone might actually believe your trite bullshit.
>As long as you remember her, you are not alone
>Homura in charge of remembering
That's why she is the only one who can save Madoka and all and she becomes the true saviour in the TRUE ending
>or come to a different conclusion
Yes, so Kyouko and Homura will team up. We're not disagreeing. So long as the Butcher is writing, once Sayaka and Kyouko are aware of what's going on, they'll split to opposite sides for a while.
>Sayaka acting so zealous she becomes a villain
If they go with a balance message, then yes: she is not necessarily pure good.
The barrier was a single city where innocent people were trapped and Homura was suffering from an unprecedented amount of soul gem impurity. Wraiths were still attacking the outside world. The barrier was literally burning to the ground.
Homura's world is the real world with rewritten rules. You're right about there not being an actual difference because it's still a cage. To characters like Kyouko who are given everything they want, it may make a difference though; the quick bit in the desert gave away that she actually valued the comforts of the barrier that are now available.
Try all you might to drive a wedge between them, virgins. Pick your sides and make your biased, fallacious arguments.
Madoka and Homura will have a happy ending and you can't do anything about it. Eat dicks.
>To characters like Kyouko who are given everything they want, it may make a difference though
Do you even know Kyoko's past and her opinion on "illusions"?
>Madoka and Homura will have a happy ending
I wish I could be that foolishly optimistic.
I don't think Homura knows what Homura is talking about half the time either.
but muh video game references
That whore deserves no such thing after what she did. Selfish cunt needs to die already, Madoka will never love her.
>Literally no one makes mention of an illusion or dreams
Well, almost no one.
>Madoka will never love her.
keep your fanfic to yourself.
>Yes, so Kyouko and Homura will team up
>So long as the Butcher is writing
>To characters like Kyouko who are given everything they want, it may make a difference though
Homura deserves a happy ending more than anyone else, but she'll never have one because being Homura is suffering
There is no illusion in Homuworld since it is the real world with a different set of rules. The question now is how the rules should be written and for what purpose.
At this point it is suffering entirely of her own design
Her rebellion was all so she could keep Madoka to herself. She gets to hug her all day and treat everyone else like shit.
She fucked over the entire universe and everyone in it just so she could get some pussy.
>Madoka will never love her
She doesn't. She thought of Homura as a loyal friend, and Homura betrayed her. She now knows Homura is evil and can't be trusted.
>So long as the Butcher is writing
Should we tell him?
That image doesn't really help prove the point.
Of course. She never wished for happiness, after all.
Are you unable to put yourself in the position of the characters? For them will be just another illusion/dream/fake world.
>Her rebellion was all so she could keep Madoka to herself
Anon, I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you're a complete moron and you missed the entire point of the movie.
>I don't know what a whore is
>I don't understand Homura's motivation or even what she did for that matter
>I also don't understand Madoka
Exactly. She's the only one in the way of going yo Yuri Valhalla with Madokami. She thinks she's done something too terrible for Madoka to ever forgive.
Of course, she is part witch now so that could be fueling the self-hatred.
Sayaka's part witch too and she gets on fine. Homura needs to accept Madoka's love and be purified.
Homura has already got her happy end.
That's why I qualified it. It's possible they'll continue with a different writer, and things will play out differently. The thing with Urobuchi is that his characters are very consistent with how they'll play out.
Yes, and I see Kyouko taking Homura's side before eventually changing sides in the end. In the end, they'll all change. The characters are all at different points in development. It's especially easy to predict Kyouko's behavior since she is a more immature Sayaka at this point and even expressed fondness for the barrier's world. Yes, Sayaka did too, but she's at a point where she can let go of things after her whole arc.
Yeah, Homura is so happy.
Sayaka and Nagisa are another thing. Homura's something else. I wouldn't call any of them "partial witches" exactly.
Come on anons. That was then. Madoka convinced her to pursue happiness. Then Homura accepted her pain and suffering and became an Ubermensch.
It probably won't be a "team", just which side someone falls onto, probably after a significant amount of events have passed.
I would say Kyouko is the one most likely to do that.
If not her, who will? It'll just be the world vs the evil Homura? Does she really have zero legitimacy? Maybe I'm underestimating Madoka here, I'm just assuming she'll be on the opposing side. Maybe it won't be like that.
That's like the one thing Homura can't do.
>Then Homura accepted her pain and suffering and became an Ubermensch.
And that's supposed to make her happy? I don't think so.
>this is what apologists actually believe
Witch is the rabid form of the soul gone reckless as any form of sense has left such a being; while Sayaka and Nagisa have become more like enlightened Meguca and can materialize the soul in it's true form. Witch is just the soul in truth, but only once it's lost all control can it be called witch. It's kind of like a Stand; those who can control it can use it as a source of power.
Guys come on. It's not a happy or sad ending because it's not an ending at all. The night is still half-eaten.
>It'll just be the world vs the evil Homura
Yes, you forgot the part where she says she doesn't depend on anyone anymore?
It's all the ending we've got right now, and most likely for a good while yet.
I don't get it.
>Kaname-san's is wish is to get rid of all the unhappiness in the world.
I think you are autist who believe that Madoka's wish save the world, she just erase despair from Magical girl and dump it in the form of Wraith
I think you should stop your stupid delusion from reading retard doujin and stop mixing Canon with your autism delusion.
It's 1980 all over again.
MY DREEEEEAMS ARE ALLLLL DEAD AND BURIED
They are talking about Gretchen (and that really doesn't change what Mami says), the only autism here is you, buddy.
I want to coddle Homu.
Half eaten like the moon?
And Homura's Anakin Skywalker. The two will exchange one last moment of happiness and understanding before they're eternally separated.
Also Homu is Madoka's mother and Sayaka is her sister.
She embraced everything that happened to her, good or bad, because she did it all out of love for Madoka. It's called 'amor fati', loving one's own fate.
Happiness isn't what Homura is aiming for. Happiness is simply a byproduct of overcoming obstacles in one's life--the Will to Power.
>The two will exchange one last moment of happiness and understanding before they're eternally separated.
pls no, I don't think my soul can take that much suffering
I KINDA WISH THE SUN WOULD EXPLODE
Oh fuck, THAT'S what that means! Anon you've got a good eye.
>Happiness isn't what Homura is aiming for
Yes, and she's not going to get it. Accomplishing your goals doesn't necessarily make you, personally, happy.
You will never have Homu as an adorable, shy, emotionally needy imouto clinging on to you.
>>101179966 is autism too since
>>101181555 talking about rebellion ending not Madoka becomes Gretchen
Jesus! Where are ya? Are you just gonna let some strumpet callin' herself the Devil whore up all Creation?
More proof is nice. I'm telling people it's
M1>M2>M3>Epilogue of M2
>"Hmmm... Mom doesnt like working, she likes working hard. There are a lot of things that she doesn't like about it, but she likes the feeling of satisfaction she gets when she overcomes those obstacles, those achivements are precious to her. It doesn't mean that she dreamed to work for that company. But Mom is living her ideal life, and some dreams come true this way."
Stop self-loathing already
Nice design there on partial mecha Homura
You will never have Homu as an adorable, arguably insane, obsessive devil clinging on to you.
>Madoka and Homura will have a happy ending and you can't do anything about it. Eat dicks.
Read my shirt, bitch.
Yes, it would be lovely if every aspect of Homura's life paralleled Junko's, but try looking at the actual circumstances. If your definition of happiness is "being fucking miserable, but at least you accomplished your goal", I don't think I can agree with that.
Although mecha isn't really the right word
homura a shit
>that rebellion ED
Holy shit homura is insane. Why would people support her?
No problem if she's insane about you. Ai yo.
Homura isn't miserable, at least not yet while she has her human Madoka.
>being fucking miserable, but at least you accomplished your goal", I don't think I can agree with that.
That's shy Homura have to save Madoka since Madoka was turning into fucking miserable than death to accomplish her wish.
>Not Pictured: Misery
Don't just take one piece of symbolism and use that as your interpretation. Rebellion is rife with imagery, literary references, etc. Check out the bigger picture.
it's like you fucking people completely ignores the last scene.
>Why would people support her?
Because she saves all and fix everthing, isn't it obvious? She is not Sayaka who always try to ruin everything, you know?
What misery? Again, what will come of Homura's world remains to be seen. She has plans she means to set in motion, and just how much resistance Sayaka will offer has yet to be seen.
What we do know is that Madoka is smiling with her family and friends. That's an accomplishment.
She's turned to animal abuse to make the pain go away.
She made humanity proud. Your turn to get mindfucked and anal probed you furry fucks. You're gonna carry that weight and never forget that fucking with Earth is a bad idea.
Doesn't she jump of the tower at the end of 2nd movie too? That's mean she jump of the cliff to fight something too just like she go to fight the Wraith at the end of 2nd movie.
Seems like Homu always fighting for everyone tirelessly in both 2nd and 3rd movie.
FUCK YEAH AMERICA!!
That didn't look like any controlled jump I've ever seen.
>There are still people who don't know that the ending scene is a parallel to The Fool arcana
>She's turned to animal abuse to make the pain go away.
>Calling intilegent life form that superior than Human a animal
So you DO ignores everything that happens in the last scene, alright then.
>What we do know is that Madoka is smiling with her family and friends.
Because Homura's magically lobotomized her.
Superior enough to get the shit kicked out of it by an autistic little girl with PTSD?
Ai yo earned that victory with the stars and stripes behind her.
Homura a shit. I hope she gets wrecked.
She's doing a good enough job of that on her own.
Why were the nightmare designs so shitty?
10/10 would tuck in with.
I still wonder why Hanokage drew it like that.
I saw someone post a tumblr article about it, but it was either ignored or discounted because of its source.
We had a pleasant discussion about some of the symbolism on /u/ instead.
They aren't though. They provide the intended imagery.
Like all the symbolism that shows she isn't happy with herself or the situation she created, I can't wait for the scenes omitted from the blu-ray so you faggots will shut the fuck up.
I hope Homura destroys the Incubators, but then all the stars go out and the universe dies after like a week after they're gone.
That ending reference to The Fool still blows my fucking mind. I've never looked into Tarot, but holy shit.
>"the fool is the spirit in search to a new journey and new experiences.
>He represents cleverness bereft of reason within us
Cake Homu seems to have gone off the deep end but she hints at having a greater purpose ("Not just yet. The night is still half-eaten.")
>the childlike ability to tune into the inner workings of the world.
Homura is an analogy for Tchaikovsky's Clara, as supported by her Dolls.
>The sun shining behind him represents the divine nature of the Fool's wisdom and exuberance, holy madness or 'crazy wisdom'.
Half-moon, but close enough, and it fits more considering the Japanese archetype of the Dark Feminine heroine who is represented by the moon.
>In his hand there is a flower, showing his appreciation of beauty.
Red spider lillies.
>He is frequently accompanied by a dog, sometimes seen as his animal desires, sometimes as the call of the "real world", nipping at his heels and distracting him.
Kyubey fits here?
>He is seemingly oblivious that he is walking toward a precipice, apparently about to step off.
I don't know, I don't get this part. Just kidding, holy fuck balls.
That sounds unlikely.
10/10, had a giggle
She's obviously smart enough to keep them around.
Do you even HALO parachuting?
I also heard the madomonogatari theater piracy videos are included. I can't wait for it even if it's 100 dollars
The only one suffering is Kyubey.
I think trying to find other arcana is reading too far into it, but the ending represents The Fool so perfectly that it's ridiculous.
You'd think that when humanity is the only species to possess emotions they'd start weaponizing it to ensure aliens don't fuck with them anymore.
What does the madokaverse has in store for the future? Would mahou shoujos be common knowledge and be revered by society? MGs baiting underaged girls into contracting causing parents to get angry?
Homura can straight up fly.
Hey, that's my post you pulled up from the archive.
- Everyone smile happily
- Homura watching over the city
- Homu Suppress Kuybey
- Dance happily while looking at her soulgem
- Half moon refer to the world is still not complete yet that's why Homu have to continue her fighting until the world is truely perfect.
-Half luminous implied that Homu is true saviour and hero since most of the path to becomes true saviour and hero are always lonely. They always got the follower and worshipper not someone who understand them or able to stand at the same position as them.
Homura is berry foorish
...most of those seem pretty far-fetched to me.
That's neat anon, except we're talking about Homura's personal happiness here. I'm glad you at least understand that she's lonely.
Posting a sad Mami for the sake of loneliness.
Homurafags are fucking delusional.
>implying that people who dance and smile happily isn't happy.
She will always unhappy in your delusion not the Canon.
Mami has a loli now.
>Dance happily while looking at her soulgem
I don't think dancing necessarily means happiness.
That was very nearly a complete sentence.
Then I'll post a happy Mami.
Homura is happy, but unfortunately for her it's only Don Draper happiness, i.e. the moment just before you need more happiness.
I wrote that a while ago. To revise it:
The Clara part is too loose, I'd just do away with that.
Yes, Kyubey is actually a perfect analogy for the Fool's dog.
The dog represents the fool's animal instincts. If the Fool denies his nature, the dog will be hostile. If the Fool embraces it, the dog will be tame and benign.
What does it say?
I liked it.
So what's your take on the cliff jump end?
This is actually a pretty good idea, Uhrmann fits Yuma quite well.
The fuck is this
The same as people who think Homu is not happy since ending is not clarified anything, just a symbolism
Some of it is interesting, and some of it seems a bit of a stretch. It may be that not all these things are in it, but I don't think The Fool is the only one present in the movie. Either way, it's kind of interesting to see how someone with more knowledge about this sort of thing picked apart certain scenes.
>Madoka sacrifices her happy life and the chance to be with the people who love her, but she's satisfied with the choice because her wish was fulfilled.
>"Madoka was happy. Homura is a delusional bitch."
>Homura creates a beautiful world where all of the megucas are freed from suffering. She has a ridiculous grin throughout the entire ending, and even cries when she sees Madoka in her ribbons because she has finally grasped the goal she struggled for so long to reach.
>"B-but muh chair!"
>the moment just before you need more happiness.
That's why she help Madoka and they becomes more happier in the 3rd movie.
And that is why we need the scenes from the blu-ray, so you faggots will shut up.
Or just go read the manga.
I love the Fool analogy, but the opposing theory is obviously the suicide one, which would tie into imagery of self-loathing that the Clara dolls may be invoking.
Which I'm not convinced of. Who doesn't take off their shoes when they go swimming?
>That's why she help Madoka and they becomes more happier in the 3rd movie.
Oh, she'll "help" Madoka alright.
Manga AkuHomu is even more drunk on power than the anime Homura is.
What are you even going on about? I think there's a whole argument here that exists mostly in your head.
Judging by her face here, Homura isn't satisfied with just figurative rape.
Manga what? your doujin manga?
In Rebellion manga, she dance and hum happily while gives everyone a good dream.
>Homura creates a beautiful world where all of the megucas are freed from suffering
But that's wrong, you retard, she didn't change a damn thing about the system, in fact remove the human part of Madokami may have fucked up the whole thing.
There's also the falling off a cliff part.
It's been 2+ months. Is there a gif edit of our two goddesses getting cheeky yet. There's one of Sayaka and Madoka, how can this not exist.
That's not how you hold a wine glass bitch. At least learn to get drunk properly.
meanwhile, Mami's giving Nagisa head
>Who doesn't take off their shoes when they go swimming?
Are you talking about all the shoes that appear during the movie? People in Japan usually take off their shoes before committing suicide.
Luminous is cancelled.
Puella Magi Sayaka Magica: Revengence when?
>But that's wrong
Everyone lives a happy life is wrong? or Madoka becomes human and lives a life she suppose to have is wrong?
>remove the human part of Madokami may have fucked up the whole thing.
Fuck what? there is nothing fucked up yet and you yourself tell that
>she didn't change a damn thing about the system
I think you should stop your delusion that thinks that everything must fucked up because i don't like it.
How? they didn't tell anything that
Homura didn't change the system. It's still the same wraith-hunting business as it was at the end of the series, barring any intervention by Homura herself.
Sayaka is Homura's new plaything, for when she gets bored with Kyubey.
People in Japan usually take off their shoes before jumping in a river or wading in water.
Have you ever tried swimming against the current with shoes on? It's not very easy.
Reminder that the Incubators will be the new Anti-spirals and hopefully kill Homura for good and forever
>mfw Amerifats wear their shoes in the house and in the water
From what I understand they take off their shoes before jumping from buildings, out of respect or some shit.
That would be so pointless though. Why bother focusing on the shoes if that's all there is to it? Suicide imagery makes more sense given its extreme prevalence throughout the movie.
It's not like this hasn't happened before
Someone make this jpg move
You're just mad cause Murridoka is stylin on you
>focusing on feet is pointless
Who do you think we're dealing with here?
Sorry, I was messing with you anon. I was trying to see what it's like to be one of those dicks who refutes all foreshadowing and symbolism within the series. "Wings, what wings?"
The best part about pantyhose is that it's all the more titillating when they come off.
The wings are still pretty irrelevant and people give them more importance that they really deserves.
You know more than Urobuchi does? Are you Shinbo?
Not that anon. It could be that I'm exhausted from studying, but I feel like this post is responsible for my biggest epiphany tonight. I may not share your fetish, but I understand your sort a little better now and can appreciate exposed legs a bit more. Good ZR is still the best though.
Good, "Colorful" was superior.
Anyone knows if there are RAWS of Oriko Magica new spin off?
I remember Urobuchi saying the scene was also a reference to Blade. Any /co/ anons know what that's about?
I can believe Shinbo/Inukare put the wings in as a setup in the hopes that Urobuchi would be on board with Shinbo's sequel idea, but planning so far ahead as to put the epilogue ahead of Rebellion? I don't know if I can see it. Also, Aku Homu has no reason to wear her magical girl outfit.
Still, the scenes are ambiguous enough that they could write it that way if they chose to, so I can't discount the idea.
Either way shit's going to go down in the next installment, right? Unless Ume-tentei writes a slice-of-life season 2.
>I can believe Shinbo/Inukare put the wings in as a setup in the hopes that Urobuchi would be on board with Shinbo's sequel idea
That seems really unlikely though, because the interview where Gen talks about coming up with the idea for Rebellion's ending makes it sound like Shinbo just came up with the idea on the spot during their brainstorming.
I imagine it would be a "Wow Homura's so cool with wings now, no questions" thing if the twist in Rebellion didn't happen and it being there was a "just in case it gets greenlit" kind of thing. As for the magical girl outfit, I theorize Homura will be inclined to give Madoka her role back after some realization in the movie or something or her being in danger because of the wraiths sensing her potential. Just a theory.
I just like the fool analogy because it gives us a more optimistic meaning than simply more suicide imagery. Jumping off the cliff symbolizes new beginnings rather than just killing herself.
Well, that's not the case, is just suicide.
But she didn't take her shoes off. It means she fell of the cliff because she is very foolish.
Trying to get implicit messages out of a translated interview is futile, anon.
The suicide concept makes me laugh trying to think about it.
>"Ah, I'm falling. I guess this is the end..."
>"Oh, right. Wings."
I'll suicide your face.
I'd give her a hug and wipe off the tomato.
As did I.
It's not really implicit, unless the translation was completely wrong, they did not come up with the idea until after Urobuchi's first draft of the Rebellion script.
Yeah, just ignore all the scenes with flying shoes.
>The suicide concept makes me laugh trying to think about it.
The act itself will do anything, because she is a goddess, is just something symbolic.
Normal people can't see tomatoes.
If half the world is missing, couldn't she just stand back up on the side of the world?
and then I was a meguca.
Clearly I have some suffering to do.
Kyouko will be the emperor of the new world.
Not sure if I should be happy or sad that I had to read the Japanese to understand the German.
Wait, wasn't the tomatoes stolen?
I had a dream I was a meguca once.
or at least I assumed so, I was trapped in a small room with Kyubey for the entire dream.
It's only fitting that Homura puts her best bro in charge.
I understand the symbolism you're trying to convey, but remember that it does actually happen. What's she going to do after the fall? Hit the ground and become pink tang?
Interviews have definitely said the initial draft came out after Shinbo prodded Urobuchi along--for instance, Newtype 9/13. But it's not like Gen outlines just how far along he was in the writing process when all of the brainstorming meetings happened. Therefore it's a bit silly to speculate.
>What's she going to do after the fall? Hit the ground and become pink tang?
Sure, why not? It's her world
I dreamed I was a meguca once too. it was the best thing ever
Probably fly back up to the top or pack up her shit and go home? Maybe glide on her wings to Madoka's house and watch her shower? The end of episode 12 established she could fly as a meguca, so I'm sure a homudevil could do it too.
Good guys watch out, there's a new brand of justice in town.
I'm talking about Gen's original idea of having the movie end with Homura going to yurivalhalla. He specifically said that Shinbo only proposed the idea of the Akuma Homura end after Gen had that original idea. If it was Shinbo/Inucurry's idea all along to have it end as it did, why not bring it up from the start?
>Unless Ume-tentei writes a slice-of-life season 2
I kinda want this
Obligatory beach episode when?
I wonder if Homura will still participate in magical girl-like activities.
I doubt it. She might have to actually interact with the others if she did that.
Right, but did the original idea still consist of Homura becoming a witch? That's what I always thought the wings were about. Inu Curry never worked with random magical-girl stuff. I figured their collages were used because Homura had some witch power going on.
And that's why I don't see all the fuss. We know like, less than 1% of the production process from interviews and we quote them all the time like they're the fucking New Testament.
If it's just Kyouko, it might be fine.
After all, I think Kyouko and Sayaka seem like the biggest contenders for the spotlight in the sequel. It'd be interesting to see them in conflict again--Kyouko trying to decide between the two sides would be quite the predicament. Sayaka would be furious about her going out to hunt wraiths with Homura instead of with her, hahaha.
I don't know, I was just arguing against the idea that the ending was planned out by Shinbo and Inu Curry as >>101158319 implies.
In my dreams and doujins
Atleast we have the drama cd r-right?
We haven't seen her with any kind of a weapon since AI YO. She can probably purge the city of wraiths with just her mind or something like that.
/u/ pls go, Kyouko will not join forces with Homura just so you can have your fucking drama between Sayaka and Kyouko.
Man I hated Homura before Rebellion. My opinion remains unchanged, she's a shit. Also even more insane than I originally thought.
How does that dress even stay on?
Why would it not be in character? Sayaka is the only one with an inkling of the world's origin. We know Homura is keeping Kyubey around so that she can deal with the wraiths, but we dunno how. Is it far-fetched to think she would just masquerade as a normal magical girl and fight wraiths? It's just specula. pls no bully.
>mfw I loved Homura before Rebellion and love her even more now
Truly best meguca.
Many artists seem to think her back is completely naked.
You are missing a wing, you stupid bitch.
Dunno, Mortal World vs. Heaven setup is really obvious.
I hope Madoka refuses to go to the prom with her.
>>Homura in charge of remembering
More like Shinbo/Butcher in charge of not fucking up Madoka with fanpandering.
You have no soul.
I don't think they have proms in Japan.
Girls can't go to the prom with girls, that's forbidden!
Neither do I, but that's why I'm a Homufag.
Hope she died unloved by everyone
That would be "evil vs good", the series has never been about that, it really wouldn't go well with the franchise.
Just by Madoka is enough.
>TV end makes perfect sense
>NO SHAFT - WE NEED THE MADOKA MONEY - said Aniplex
>Shinbo wanted a Rolex as well
>but how do you continue?
>we need at least one new character and lots of new outfits in order to sell another billion of merchandise
>Madokami was cool and a great success
>Let's pull the same shit as well
>Let's also add a lot of pandering to the fans because they love doing shitty fanfictions so much
And then they made lots of money.
>implying the mortal world is evil
>implying heaven is good
I made it to episode 10. After that I could not stop the tears. I kept my composure. After all I'd seen some shit but 10-12 simply crushed my soul.
And it was also a good movie.
Are you aware of the pandering theory behind the movie?
All that shit about the movie having a rosy and nice starting half, then crushing everything you liked afterwards was a pretty good move in my opinion.
The Sayaka and Kyouko pandering was the strongest, surprised that they didn't decide to kill one of them for good in the later parts of the movie.
We all know that feel.
I couldn't feel anything for weeks after seeing 10.
It was entertaining. But not good.
Because the TV anime exists.
No, it was entertaining and good.
>Homu going retard
>Homura saving Madoka
>not what she's been trying to do since a hundred timelines ago
>saving her from being god
>stop liking things I don't like
I loved Rebellion and there's nothing you can do about it.
Yes, I'm glad you were paying attention, well done.
This is the perfect outfit for Akuma, would have been better if the artist had not added the frills to the dress and instead make it completely smooth but is good enough, better than the indecent dress that they give her.
I can call your taste shit,
Why didn't she see what was coming? Because she's not god.
>being a god means you are perfect and all-powerful
u wot m8
She's kind of an indecent girl now.
But it's not, you're just not a Homu supporter.
Who said she is a god for everything?
prudish murrican plz.
Homura will never be able to "save" Madoka if she don't saved herself first.
Not really. Spider lily evolved into sakura tree already, and broken heart is very appropriate. Also fitting succubus parallels.
The point is that Homura thinks she's saving Madoka.
That is the entire point of being a god.
In Tokyo area during the original broadcast, the earthquake delayed 10/11 and they showed the last three episodes all in one sitting.
It is not healthy to watch those episodes in one sitting.
>implying Rebellion is canon
Madoka TV - End
Recap Madoka -> Rebellion -> S2 or movie in the future
Two different lines.
Uh, no, it's not?
I admire your dedication, but I don't think anyone is actually interested in having that "argument" again.
Gods in history have been tricked all the time.
This argument has been beaten to death. Fuck off.
Hanokage actually gives her a very similar dress for several pages before she goes full lewd.
I'm starting to think Hanokage is kind of weird.
He is pedo atleast.
I still can't wrap my head around the idea that she tricked and kidnapped God
The broken heart can be easily added to the dress that I post, and I don't know what you mean with the Red Spider Lily, her dress does not refer to that.
And she's a demon, not a shitty succubus.
Madoka was the god after all so it isn't exactly a surprise.
oh Homura, the things you do to my penis.
Now they get AI YO'd too.
That looks way better than how they did it in the movie.
By being even more powerful, thanks to her original wish.
Succubi are a kind of demon.
I thought they delayed episodes 11/12. We still got 10, then two months of earthquake news and trolling before the climax.
Not God, just a god. Magical girls are capable of some pretty crazy things, after all, aren't they QB?
He's referring to manga. Read it already anon! You can handle raws--you already know what they're saying anyway.
Better demons than you are, nerd.
That's what you guys got because most of Japan broadcast 10 and that went online.
However, in Tokyo area they delayed it because earthquake news. Distressing shit.
This shitty tree? >>101159856
That has nothing to do with her dress.
That dress you posted has spider lily shape.
Homura is associated with dreams. Succubi are dream demons.
Manga is irrelevant.
He's trying to say the spider-lily hair thing wouldn't work, because AkuHomu... ah whatever, forget it anon. You aren't catching on.
>"Go on /a/; seven out of ten threads are Madoka"
>Manga is irrelevant
But succubus analogies are? Okay anon.
Anons keep discrediting the manga in this thread. Is there any basis to that?
Succubus only use dreams to get their main objective which is sex, they really aren't associated with dreams.
Besides that Homura represents THE Demon, not some shitty demon minion.
Red spider-lily represent a meeting that will never occur, and that is still relevant.
Meeting already happened. Spider lily became a sakura tree.
Except the meeting occurs.
Well, it's just Hanokage's interpretation of the events of the movie. Just like with the manga adaptation of the series, it does some things differently. It's not really "canon", if you will.
I was thinking more between the lines that Madoka and Homura don't be together again but I guess that is a stretch. Anyway, I think the dress works better than the one they gave her.
Of course, this dress works best.
Why a sakura tree anyway? That doesn't make much sense.
Your face doesn't make sense
So if there's still wraith-hunting shenanigans going on in the new universe... What did Homura do exactly besides become the new Madokami?
Pick on Sayaka?
That's an easy one.
Knowing that they will never kiss or do anything gay fills my heart with glee.
I guess we should move all future Madoka threads to /u/ in that case, since it's a yuri anime.
Or just no be a fucking retarded, but I guess that's too much to ask to yurifags.
>it's a yuri anime.
Just stop. What sort of enjoyment do you derive from saying stupid shit?
Madoka threads on /u/ are actually the biggest threads on /u/ as far as I know.
Best start believing in yuri tales... you're in one.
They did sleep together.
Your fanfiction aren't canon, anon.
No they didn't.
It's not my fanfiction though.
it is true actually
They sleep under the same roof. The question is, did they fuck?
Literally all of my yuri posts are intended to piss you off. Because there's nothing you can do about KyouSaya being canon, but it's funny to see you try.
>do about KyouSaya being canon
Except continue to remind you that it's not.
>did they fuck?
It is canon, man. I am surprised there are still people who deny it especially seeing the merch it has been getting.
The fact that you think merchandise has anything to do with the content of the series itself discredits you entirely.
I didn't say that. They're most definitely recognized as a pair by even the producers and treated as such in the show. Of course you can't expect them to literally fuck, but you'd have to be retarded to not recognize that they are in fact a pairing.
Poor anon. It'll be okay. Maybe they'll introduce a new character who is straight, or give Hitomi screen time.
Do you people legitimately never get tired of rehashing this same dumb argument over and over and over again?
Do you never get tired of asking the same question this argument happens?
SayaKyoufags really are the biggest delusionals of this fanbase alongside with Homurafags and Sayakafags.
>implying they didn't fuck
I have nothing to do.
>the biggest delusionals
>in fact a pairing.
A fine pair of good friends who are not gay and/or dating, yes.
You wouldn't know. Neither would I, but I would stress that they are leaning towards gay considering the implications Rebellion left.
That looks pretty disgusting.
Come on anon, what am I going to do if my boss walks past?
>Rebellion confirms that they are friends
>BUT MAYBE THEY ARE LESBIANS!
Back to /u/ with you, faggot.
>leaning towards gay considering the implications Rebellion left.
Your opinion has been discarded with haste.
It tastes good. I like the red ones better though.
>implying I was implying that
Kyouko teases the fuck out of Sayaka though.
Five star comeback.
Why, it does indeed confirm that they're friends. Very special friends. The kind that isn't that far from dating.
Holy shit you are so desperate. Just give up they aren't gay and Sayaka loves Kyousuke.
You really spend the day seeking for this kind of shit?
>You are so desperate
>b-but she's straight!
>google image search "apple and rapsberry"
Gosh that was hard
Whatever you says, faggot, your fanfictions still aren't canon.
Nah, in fact I don't think I've seen it before. Watermelon is my jam.
Can you please all kill yourselves?
Not that it's my fanfiction, since it's right in the show.
Actually, mine is, now that they live together.
>spends the entire series chasing after a boy she loves
>has a friend that is a girl
No guys, she's totally gays and wants to fuck the shit out of kyoko. I can't wait to fap to my sol s2!
Whatever let you sleep at night, bro.
>He hasn't seen Utena
I'm sure /r/anime assured you that 30 anime is a very high view count, but you've got a long ways to go anon.
I do think Sayaka has more screentime with Kyouko than Kyousuke, so, no, that doesn't qualify as entirely.
In case you have not noticed, this isn't Utena.
I don't understand why people can be so buttmad about a character becoming gay.
Didn't you know that references mean more than what actually happens? Silly, anon.
Kyouko and Sayaka fully clothed and holding hands was 50 times gayer than Homura and Madoka's naked space hug, jesus christ goddamn
It's not that far.
>He didn't notice the shadow play references in Episode 9 and during Hitomi's nightmare scene in Rebellion
In case you haven't noticed, all fanfics that are asserted as canon get shat on. Not just /u/'s that Sayaka and Kyoko are dating.
The image that started this argument is canon, so I don't know what you're talking about.
This image? >>101193160
That's fanart, something made by fans and not canon, I know it's a difficult concept to grasp for yurifags but please keep your delusions to yourself.
The problem is that the guys on the "yuri" side are just baiting, presumably because they're bored, and the guys on the "anti-yuri" side are incapable of not getting into really stupid arguments about nothing because reasons? Basically everyone's retarded and/or pretending to be retarded.
Well, the thread's soon to die out, may as well shitpost!
And I'm Home
>Basically everyone's retarded and/or pretending to be retarded.
Another day, another Madoka thread
>yurifags are just pretending to be retarded
>anti-yurifags are retarded
>they should all stop!
If you're going to play neutral, play fucking neutral.
>strawmanning this hard
>/u/ in charge of understanding logical fallacies
And I'm Home isn't on the TV broadcast so it doesn't count
Blu-rays aren't canon
I mean I suppose it's possible that they actually believe the incredibly dumb things they're saying, but I find it unlikely. On the other hand, ironically taking bait isn't really a thing unless we're into really advanced-level trolling here. If it's any consolation, I don't think pretending to be retarded is actually any better than legitimately being retarded.
If you really don't know what image I was referring to you are retarded.
But the neutral position is that they're gay.
Oh shit. TV series canon master race, Blu-ray fags please don't push your fan fiction.
>he thinks KyouSaya is real
Poor del/u/ded soul.
This >>101193160 was the image that started this argument, don't know what are you talking about.
>implying you have friends
Are you seriously this desperate that you must deny the existence of KyouSaya to this extent?
No, but seriously, have these hetfags even watched the series since it broadcast?
They're literally friends. Keep your fanfic where they're dating away. I think there's a fanfic general on /u/. Go over there.
I want to meet a hetfag in real life. I'm dying to know just where their thought process comes from.
I met t/u/mblr (you) at the Rebellion screening I attended. You're pretty stupid.
Epic. I like it. Upvoted.
>waah he hurt my feelings by calling me stupid
>i know, i'll shitpost some more
I fucking hate you people. The fact that we can go from discussion the symbolism and themes of the movie to this in the same thread blows my goddamn mind.
Just see the time difference between these posts, anon.
>implying your mind is damned by god
>implying you participated in discussion
>implying these are people
>implying your opinion is fact
>implying you aren't gay
When people feel strongly about a topic, they argue and discuss it. When arguing gets no where, it degenerates into insults and bickering. It's only natural.
It's late and I'm tired and we're anonymous so we'll just be buddies again in some other thread. It's not the end of the world.
It was never an argument in the first place, it's been shitposting from the beginning.
No fuck you.
I'm not your buddy, pal.
Nah, I posted that yuri image with the intention of insults and bickering. There was no degeneration.
You're the best friend
that I ever had
I've been with you such a long time
You're my sunshine
And I want you to know
That my feelings are true
I really love you
You're my best friend
>i can't circlejerk with other pretentious /lit/fags over my forced inconsequential and ultimately meaningless parallels
I wish I could hate you to death.
You're a funny guy, you can stay.
>If I don't see it then it must not exist!
>not shitty otaku-pandering cashgrab
>if I force it hard enough, it must exist!
Don't overdo it, now.
That reminds me of a hilarious Ctrl+Alt+Del strip I reblogged the other day. Add me on Facebook and we can trade dick pics.
Now you lost me.
>Lines from Faust
>Nietzsche's "Gott ist tot"
>Nutcracker Witch and Clara Dolls (Clara is the main character in Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker)
I KNOW I CAN KILL
THE TRUTH EXISTS BEYOND THE GATE
I watched that anime on Netflix last week. Hei is my boyfriend.
Is this the fate of all Madoka threads?
Yup, pretty much.
At least it's after the bump limit, I guess.
I don't think I'll ever understand why shitposting is so appealing to these people.
Homura says she wants to make Madoka, he friend, happy. I too strive to make my friends happy. Oh shit, Madoka is referencing my life!
It's just anti-/u/ being 'ironic'. Let them be.
It's just /u/ being 'ironic'. Let them be.
You have an entire board to yourself, why can't you post your deluded fanfic there?
Congrats man. I'm happy for you. I hope the whole 'being a psycho lesbian' thing works out for you.
Homura is a horrible friend. If Madoka wants to sacrifice herself needlessly, that's still her decision and Homura should let her make it.
Homura isn't a lesbian though.
Love you too anon.
Just fuck already.
Fuck you, faggot.
>he doesn't believe in forcing his good will on people
>"Brighter than hope, and deeper than despair... It's friendship!"
>Madoka by 4kids
>all love between people of the same gender is gay
I'm a little girl on the inside. Check your privilege cis scum.
>he actually thinks Will to Power is something to be admired
Doesn't that depend on your definition of "gay"? If my friend said he loved me I'd definitely call him gay.
I want to fuck the gay out of Kyouko and Sayaka
I love you.
Then you're weird. There's nothing gay about loving your friends.
I'm sure you'll be proven right in the sequel when all of the megucas go to a mixer and meet cute boys.
Tomohisa agreed, don't bother him about it
>"AI YO... no homo"
You're not my friend, buddy.
They aren't gay, so it should be fairly easy.
I'm sure you'll be proven right when Homura and Madoka make out under the sheets.
It will be a lesbian mixer with cute tomboys
Can we all agree how hilarious it would be if Homura turned out to be 100% straight?
No, that wouldn't be funny at all since there's no indication that she's not. It'll just be
>oh, she's straight. okay.
If Homura got a boyfriend, would she tell him about everything she's done for Madoka? Would he give her the respect and gratitude she deserves?
No, Homura not being gay would make her much more crazy.
No because he would neglect her to play violin some more
I'm pretty sure that would scare anyone off.