What, in /a/'s obviously esteemed opinion, makes anything "good"? I know there's few things we can ever agree on, so what do you personally look for as a sign of actual value?
For example some people value a deep, cascading plot that challenges you intellectually or psychologically and leaves you with a sense of wonder afterwards. Other people just want things to be lighthearted shallow fun with no entanglements or hidden meanings.
So tell me /a/, what is it about certain anime that gives you a mental boner? Pic only somewhat related.
For me the quality of a work is determined by how much I can masturbate to it.
good things are forbidden to talk about because theyre dead horses and to discuss them continually dulls the nostalgia
I can agree with this.
Which is why Maken-ki 2 pissed me off, they took away the only reason to watch it by turning them all into a bunch of fatties.
Too healthy for you fagotron?
Did I look forward to seeing it every week? If so, it was good.
Did I simply watch it when I noticed it was released? If so, it was ok.
Did I not watch it within 5 days of airing? If so, it was shit.
Good characters, their development and interaction. Add to it solid story that has beginning and end that doesn't try to be overly DEEP. Sprinkle with bit of interesting visuals and catchy music.
And you get a masterpiece. Or at least something very good.
>healthy, he says
I want murrika to leave.
why does she have those big-ass pimples on her tits? I fucking hate that shit and refuse to watch anything with them because it's fucking GROSS nigga
They are meant to emphasize roundness.
I looked forward to seeing Maoyuu every week, but that didn't make it good. I fully acknowledged that the anime botched a good thing, but I still wanted to see more anyways.
Also. The really important thing is "love" the staff puts into it. After you gather some experience, you will notice what anime are made just to make money and one where staff really enjoys doing it.
>opposite of cliched is good taste
stopped reading there
I agree. It should be replaced it with "original" or "experimental" or something else.
I only watched it for giant meaty maou titties
>actual fat folds
>lumps 3x the size of her head
There isn't one anime /a/ can agree is good so don't even try.
But I would argue the closest you could get to a unified /a/ definition of a good show would be "a show that produces good threads for the duration of its airing".
For me a great show is just one I always look forward to watching, that isn't a chore to get through at all, the kind of show you always feel a little disappointed when the episode ends and you have to wait for the next one. So for me, great shows in the past few years include Hyouge Mono, Psycho-Pass, Jormungand, Kill La Kill, Kill Me Baby, Tsuritama, [C], Penguindrum, and probably a few others I'm forgetting while trying to list off the top of my head. Right now Zvezda is on its way to being another one of those shows, but you definitely can't judge by just three episodes; a lot of shows just suddenly start to drag terribly around the middle.
Yeah it should really be "original" or "unique" or at least "unusual".
I need to start watching this show.
I don't think I've seen anyone say they hated One Outs.
Careful anon, you're not allowed to announce sage these days.
And a shit thread just got shitter.
Anything that isn't edgy, grim dark.
Something without too much exposition.
Something where things are shown instead of explained.
Maybe something that has heart warming moments and sad moments.
But most importantly, and the only thing that really matters, good Characters.
Over the top Characters
So anything from Kino no Tabi to YuruYuri.
If a show succeeds in doing what it wants to do, then it's fine in my book. If a psychological mystery has a lot of twist and turns that keep the viewer on their seat, then it's successful. If a SoL tells a relaxing, heartwarming story without feeling too forced, then it succeeds too.
There's of course going to be genres you don't like, but they don't necessarily have to be "bad", you may just not like them.
On an unrelated note, not every good show has aspects that can be discussed, which is why I don't get people saying "why don't we ever have (show) threads". But if you have something specific you want to discuss about a show, just bring it up and if it's interesting and the timing is right a thread will start around it
kill la kill is extremely cliched
Eva much more to the left
Add Madoka to top right corner
How good or bad an Anime is, can usually be determined by looking at 3 things.
1). Is the MC likable.
2). Are the Girls any good.
3). Is it funny or cute.
Did you mean Madoka in top left corner?
>not highly successful
You do realise it was the bes selling late night anime since Eva?
But anon. A show can be good even if the characters are funny and/or cute.
No. My sides are correct.
Madoka is cliche as fuck
Mongatari should be so far left you can be barely see it.
No it is not.
>anime highly successful
Naruto's anime never sold.
Im sure the 3 anime you have watched were very different from each other.
Funny joke. Thats about as unlikely as the childhood friend winning.
The thing is that the shows I see actually produce good threads all of the time are the most generic shit, since everyone knows what to expect and there's no reason to really shitpost or even pay attention to their threads unless you actually like it for one reason or another.
The idea of a show that is "too good to shitpost" is pretty much a fallacy, since the more popular and well-received a show is the more people are going to want to start shit.
I mean not counting shitposts.
But you're right in a sense, if anything there are shows that are too BAD to shitpost.
>shows that are too BAD to shitpost.
It's sure as fuck not genre defining
Its plebshit, thus it needs to be in top left.
There already have been multiple ripoffs.
Improved the pic a little.
Yea and it's basically a rip off of sailor moon but, with less mind rape, it does not define the magical girl genre just like EVA doesn't define mecha
This. The execution plays a much larger role than the content. I can like a show with a deep, thought provoking story, or an emotional rollercoaster romance, or a witty comedy, or a somber mystery, or a heartwarming slice of life, even a fapfuel harem, it all depends on whether they pull it right. And whether I'm in the mood for it, of course.
The fact that you scaled it up, thus bluring it and then adding the ORIGINAL text that is sharp is grinding my OCD.
>here be dragons
It did sell poorly...
But eva did not define mecha. There are some ripoffs, but thats all. Same as Madoka.
So if show succeeds in selling many copies and merchandise eg. what most shows do then it is good?
I know that's what i just said...
>implying cliched and good taste are mutually exclusive
I'm beginning to think people judge works on how "new" it is rather than whether it has good quality.
rip in peace bahamuttachi
Oh right, I jumped to conclusions instead of reading. My mistake.
But still. Madoka and Sailor Moon have extremely little in common. SM is generic weekly cartoon with zero plot and bad characterization. While Madoka focuses primarily on story and characters.
>SM is generic weekly cartoon with zero plot and bad characterization
You really need to watch/read something before talking shit.
I have some friends that are incredibly hard to please when it comes to anime (and most other things).
It's difficult to have a conversation with them.
>Me: What do you think of X?
>Them: It's shit
>Me: What do you think of Y?
>Them: It's shit
>Me: What do you think of Z?
>Them: It's shit
Their standards are so high that they're in orbit.
Improved it some more for you
An anime can still be cliched and fun.
If I had fun then it's good, if it was just entertaining then it's ok, If I didn't like it then it's ignorable.
I can watch anything but I don't get along with pseudo deep and pretentious shows that try to be serious and dark for the sake of it when the same story could be told in a more interesting manner.
Just because you have shit taste doesn't make it good.
Internal consistency and lack of coincidence. The worst offender is when you have a supposedly serious setting and BAM, suddenly MC casually finds his super weapon that forever changes the tide of the story. Or harems that spend their entire time on misunderstandings that amount to different shots of the same shit.
Plebshit can be genre defining. This is completely inaccurate.
What do they like?
Off the top of my head some of the shows they like include Legend of the Galactic Heroes, NGE and Daily Lives Of High School Boys.
I like a lot of the same stuff they do, it's just I also like a lot of stuff that they consider to be shit.
Something can be cliched and good, or original and not "good taste".
Switch cliched to bad taste.
Liking a fun yet cliched work does not mean you have shit taste.
If they like LoGH and NGE, then I'm not surprised they think everything else is shit.
Fun is subjective.
And you are objectively bad person if you consider cliche fun. Unless it tries to play it sarcastically.
>plebs trying to bash on god tier series to cover themselves again
One thing is that a show doesn't necessarily have to be perfect for you to enjoy it. Some of the anime with the best threads were filled with people who enjoyed it but could still laugh at the problems it had. Just because you enjoy a show doesn't mean you have to justify it as being the greatest thing ever, or that you have to justify it by saying you like it ironically or something. It's okay to like things that aren't the best in the world, just don't overblow its importance or quality because you're self-conscious about liking it.
Tried to make a not-shitpost version. I couldn't really think of any spectacularly singular flops though. Or uniquely bad anime in general. I mean, I could put the Aku no Hana adaptation, but it's not even really an anime, that would be disingenuous.
Good = something /a/ doesn't rave about when it airs because it's not a sensational piece of garbage which every ten year old will drool over. Rather, it's something which has to be taken in as a whole to appreciate and rather than start with a flash bang and recede into mediocrity it maintains a steady pace and ends in a fulfilling manner.
Most of the best shows are like this. Tatami Galaxy, Dennou Coil, Potemayo, Chihayafuru, ef Memories, Birdy Decode, Akagi, etc. There are a few exceptions but it's a pretty good indication that a show will be trash if the more vocal and excitable (younger and/or immature) denizens of /a/ are raving about it.
You can still like shit shows. You just should acknowledge you like a shit show.
A good show has character development, interesting plot, good music, good animation, good voice actors and something that intrigues you to keep watching. Good characters are a must. One great character can absolutely save a show.
However, if it's going to be a harem, as long as I'm told or it is clear that the story will likely never go anywhere and it's just for the girls I'll still think it's good as the girls have to have good characters to make up for this.
Pic related: Great characters. Great story when it wants it. Funny. Good action for shounen. Probably one of my favourites.