Fate/ remake coming out next Fall, directed by Takahiro Miura (Director of the 6th Kara no Kyoukai movie).
Lots of rumors going around that it will probably be a new route written by Nasu himself. Of course, nothing is confirmed yet.
I don't know what to think of this.
Nasu is not writing anything on it, he is just giving new info that is wasn't in any material to the anime folks. So it will probably be a mix of the routes with some new stuff to make it work.
Nasu said he was done after CCC, didn't he?
>will probably be a new route written by Nasu himself.
No, it won't. Nasu isn't writing anything, he just consults writers about stuff.
God I hope not, I remember they tried that shit with the last "anime" they made of this, and they primarily focused on the weakest route. Now if they give me a good full adaptation of UBW or HF with just some of the other stuff thrown in I'll be a happy man.
what is he doing?
Tsukihime remake, I suppose.
I've been told not to bother watching Fate/Zero till this is released, so I don't have to watch the shitty original.
Read the Visual Novel like everyone here.
>I remember they tried that shit with the last "anime" they made of this
"They" in this case is DEEN, destroyer of... Everything.
Yeah, but you should play the VN instead.
Read the VN first, then watch Zero.
Watching Zero first will probably ruin a bit of your experience, and a few of the reveals of Stay Night.
no, he's giving info on the backround which ufotable is going to use to make new scenes in whatever route they do.
Odds are , if its fate we'll get some Cu fights/Gil vs Cu. HF will be Zouken Vs assassin/Caster vs the shadow.
All routes - casters original master/brazzers getting shanked by Koto
At least, hopefully, they won't destroy Shirou as a character, completely, like DEEN managed to do. His characterization is apparently going to be heavily focused on according to the director and Nasu.
I hope it's an original route. Routefags are the worst.
Is the magazine out yet?
>directed by the guy who did the worst KnK movie
Apparently it wasn't all that informative.
>new outfits for Seiba, Rin, Shirou
>anime original material supervised by Nasu
>airs in fall
>focus on Shirou's brain problems
That's about it.
Which one was the sixth one? Can't remember.
The one where Shiki investigates that fairy stuff with Mikiya's retarded sister.
He was also the episode director of F/Z 15 and 19, and those were pretty good. Doesn't seem like he has a lot of experience directing from what I could find.
Yeah I am mixed feelings about this.
Oh that one? I thought that one was really fun. Particularly the fight at the end.
Hey fuck you, Azaka is love.
It doesnt stand out in my mind as being specifically bad, sure it's no Paradox Spiral but I dont think it was the worst.
>>anime original material supervised by Nasu
The ice is getting pretty thin with this one. Hope ufotable treads lightly
Given that we know Nasu regrets not being able to do an Ilya route and really wanted to have Berserker be summoned as an Archer in one route:
>Herakles summoned as archer
>Cu Chulainn summoned as warp-spasming Berserker
>Brand new Lancer
>Its an Ilya route with the Shirou who eventually grew up to be Archer
The source material was the worst, it can't be helped.
Meant to reply to >>101160378
So it's confirmed anime original? Do we know written by who? Then it seems like there might not be a heroine this time, and it'll be mostly Shirou. I can't say this is very surprising, although I don't know how it would "make all the fans happy."
I wish they'd tell us more. Also, why doesn't Sakura get a new outfit?
Regarding Shirou, Nasu told the ufotable staff that they need to make Shirou look more robot-like and less happy smiles than he has been in past adaptions.
Lancer would be Ajax.
Before they brought in Gil to the story, an amnesiac servant from the previous war was supposed to be a part of shirous harem, Their Np was a shield.
I actually think they'll take more of a Zero approach to it and present us most of the protagonists neutrally.
You can watch Zero before reading the VN, but it'll spoil the backstory of several characters for you. Likewise, you can read the VN before watching Zero, but the ending will be completely spoiled for you.
Personally I think starting with either is fine. Just don't expect the tone of either to be similar, because Zero is practically grimdark compared to FSN.
(never watch the anime adaptation of FSN, and if you end up liking both then try reading Zero's light novels for some more story details and then watch the UBW movie for dem fighting scenes)
In a series where the source material was treated really well and even improved, the sixth movie completely fucked it up and butchered the more interesting elements of the original in favor of giving Azaka a really out of place fight scene.
He also directed the F/SN Vita openings.
>So it's confirmed anime original?
I was gonna say cute anime girl Ajax for Shriou's harem sounds shit but really given how the Greeks viewed sodomy he could just as easily be a ripped, grown man.
Oh, then "next generation of children" makes more sense. Although, didn't they also say that they wanted F/SN to be able to stand on its own? So hopefully it would be too Zeroish in its approach. Grimdark is fine and all, but some lighthearted stuff is just as welcome.
Its not confrimed to be an anime original route, just that nasu has added things which has become anime only scenes.
New clothes for people, and the story is to be centered on shirou rather than waifu 1,2,3,4,5 etc
We know nothing. For all we know it might be another fucking Fate with a few anime original scenes to bring Shirou the depth he gets in UBW. Or it could be totally original and end in Shirou becoming Archer after liberating slaves in Africa. I repeat, we know nothing.
>Lots of rumors going around that it will probably be a new route written by Takeuchi himself.
Takeuchi ruined FSN and is ruining Tsukihime. it only makes sense he'd ruin this too.
>So it's confirmed anime original?
No, I have no idea why so many of you people can't read but no.
Have Bazette slowly cracking from the horror of what she has turned her idol into and finally snapping and collapsing into despair as Kotomine betrays her and it'll be AOTY
Ufotable is promoting this as a Fate/Zero sequel. It likely will address tons of revelations from Heaven's Feel, due to being the route most closely connected to Zero, even if it doesn't follow its story.
No fuck this shit, I want my crazy Sakura! The other two whores already had an adaptation, it's our turn now, fuck you Ufotable!
Ufo devs said something like
>We want the dark and serious atmosphere of Zero, but do look forward to the comedic scenes too!
Sakurafags getting BTFO
I like you
>Worst KnK movie
It wasn't bad. It had my favorite track out of all the Kara no Kyoukai OSTs:
The opening track was nice too:
Music aside, while it wasn't the best, it was certainly better than several others.
>The reason for the new outfits is so they can sell new figures
I don't care anymore, I just want more Rider.
Nasu's guidelines to Miura and co regarding Shirou:
>Shirou is like a robot that wants to be human
>Please don't draw him looking too happy
Is that really everything? Not missing a translation here or there?
If so, then that's depressing. I was really looking hoping for a route announcement, or just a general heroine.
The deen adaption was pretty bad but it had some good scenes. If it wasn't popular the franchise would be nowhere near as big as it is today. Then again I think the Nasuverse has gone to shit.
Honestly I look forward to the new outfits.
>finally proper Shirou figure
I fucking wish.
Shirou was pretty shit in fate.
I hope it is a new Ilya route simply because of PNO Group.
>Shirou wearing new outfits
>Implying he didn't just buy the exact same blue/white shirt in bulk
>Implying Shirou's capable of making fashion decisions for himself
Taiga can make fashion decisions for him.
The store ran out of his usual shirts.
I hope there will be some Gil hanging with Kotomine at the church anime original scenes.
Seiba, Archer, Rider and Berserker are the biggest servants, so maybe it's a new route with Shirou, Rin, Sakura and Ilya all fighting together.
Personally, I hope they do take a slightly new approach.
The thing is, Fate/stay night is only complete as a story if you take all three routes into account. Saber route concludes Saber's story, Rin route gives closure to the "Ally of Justice" thing Kiritsugu had going on and Sakura route finishes off the Einzbern/Matou/Holy Grail side of things.
If you stuck purely with one route, you'd only be telling 1/3rd of the whole story.
Tiger Dojo will be the next episode PVs right?
The problem is that it's pretty much impossible to combine the routes since they end up going in widely different directions.
I hope so! Tiger Dojos are the best.
Adding more rumors to this awful mess:
>Interviewer: Are you involved in the ufotable F/SN remake? Heaven's Feel is the only route not adapted yet, and since Fate/Zero is closely related to it, I thought you could be involved.
>Butchy: I don't know a lot about it, I'm not involved. But if I remember correctly it's an Unlimited Blade Works adaption.
They're gonna give Cu more scenes right? An he'll be better than ever! ;_;
Also, in order to reach Fate/Zero's level as an action story, Fate/stay night is gonna need way more fights. It doesn't work as well when 90% of the battles are fought by Shirou, Saber or Archer. They're gonna need to alter things so that other Servants fight each other too, without the main cast's involvement.
So would 3 seasons be pretty much the only thing that would work?
I wonder if Gil and Ilya will have scenes together, they relationship is so heartwarming.
Watch it just be a battle montage with a different battle every week and no continuous plot.
Pretty much. Or just a long anime (like maybe 65 episodes or something).
I thought the previews in F/Z were really cool and well done, so I kind of hope they bring those back. Tiger Dojo could be BD specials like Einzbern Consultation Room.
I would hope new content would be seeing Medea's original master or Kirei killing Bazett.
That leaves like no bad guys.
T-T-Taiga route possible?
>battle montage with no continuous plot
Just like the UBW movie.
Give Gil more screentime, problem solved.
That could be easily added tho.
Cu fought all the servants once. Caster and company fought Berserker.
At least the battles would be good in this.
I'm disproportionately annoyed by them changing Shirou's outfit; I really like his shirt.
If I want anything out of the Fate franchise, it's to see a piece where Bazett and Lancer work together as a master/servant pair.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's happening now, or ever.
Cu doesn't work because the vast majority of his fights take place before the story even properly starts.
Still, it's a waste not to give him more fights. I'd like to see him fight Assassin.
They better not fucking take away Rin's ZR.
>BD specials like Einzbern Consultation Room.
I hope they won't ruin Tiger Dojos by turning them into ridiculous grimderp bullshit Consultation Room turned into by the end.
It's kind of a generic outfit so I don't care much. They just better not do anything to Rin's lower half.
I doubt it, the point of the dojos were to be comedic, and that's how they always were in the VN.
Linear Sparks High OVA?
Are there any pics of the new costumes yet?
He still owns at least one of them, he's wearing it under his school uniform in the only promo image we have of him.
>Majority of his fights
We don't know that.
Don't think the chances are all that good for that.
At best, I can see maybe Archer doing it, though. It was originally his move, after all.
In the same vein, Mind of Steel.
Has Nasu ever acknowledged its popularity?
Ace is out tomorrow.
Its going to be a great day, samflam, KLK, and then this. I am going to be so hungover on friday
Doubt they will. Most likely they'll just make that generic cheap ass red pullover look less grannycore.
He fought every single other Servant prior to the story's start.
That's six fights, man. That's more than any other character has in a single route.
Isn't Saber's outfit basically going to be the same, but now it'll be Casual Saber with NEW COAT. I hope they only thing the change with Rin is just update her shirt. Waist down Rin is still good.
Don't know about MoS, but SLH did get an exclusive music track in Réalta Nua.
Japan doesn't care about Mind of Steel nearly as much as we do, anon.
>Heavens Feel, the route most closely connected to Zero
Why do people keep trying to say this? It clearly doesn't fucking work.
Not that it's canon but in the manga he fights berserker a few days in.
MoS is only popular among edgy westerners. Actually I'm willing to bet it's only popular among edgy /a/nons.
Will we get the Enkidu flashback this time?
Probably means that it's the route that references Zero the most. I mean, in the other routes, what Zero references are there? In Fate there's Gilgy's explanation that he and Saber were both servants once, and also there's that one bad end where Kirei mentions that Kiritsugu once shot him. UBW has even less. Meanwhile Heavens Feel practically has a full plot summary.
ALL of the routes addressed a core theme raised in Fate/Zero.
Fate route continues the story of Saber.
UBW route continues the story of Kiritsugu's way of life and ideals, and the impact he had on Shirou.
Heaven's Feel delves into the true form of the Grail War, the Matou and the Einzberns.
Each are equally important.
Kotomine, Gilgamesh, Zouken, either Assassin, Caster and Soichiro as much as they shouldn't be bad guys...
Heaven's Feel has dat Kotomine.
I don't think it's popular with anyone but a few edgy faggots who are missing the point.
>the true form of the Grail War, the Matou and the Einzberns
All explored pretty much in full as part of Fate/Zero. If this is supposed to be a sequel to Fate/Zero, why retread covered territory?
Why is he so moe?
Ah man, Archer's looking good in UFOtable's artstyle. Can't wait.
Fate route is the Saber route, as well as the most concrete conclusion to Gilgamesh's story.
Unlimited Blade works is basically the "Emiya" route, as in both Kiritsugu and Shirou. There's also Rin and her dad. You might say it's the "route of inheritance from parent to child". So basically, it's both Emiya and Tohsaka.
Finally, Heaven's Feel strikes the core of the Grail War, and also continues the story of the Matou and the Einzberns, and gives closure to Kotomine's story.
Thus, you might say that this is the scale:
>"Saber & Gilgamesh" = "Emiya & Tohsaka" = "Einzberns & Matou & Kotomine & Grail War"
That's the general gist of it. Fact of the matter is, the Einzberns and Matou are mainly background elements even in Fate/Zero, and the truth of the Grail War was only glimpsed at the end. In Nasu's works, the characters and their conflicts have always been more important than the overarching backstory.
Exactly, that's what made F/Z such a good sequel. It set up nearly perfectly for F/SN, the main work.
I'd say that Heaven's Feel does a good job of resolving the first two issues as well, although only in conjunction with Fate and Unlimited Blade Works. They seem more like set-ups for Heaven's Feel to me, which is why I think that the adaptation will be an modified version of Heaven's Feel that'll include elements of the first two. This is as opposed to the mess of an anime Fate had which borrows from the latter two but is ultimately a Fate adaptation.
It needs to be touched upon again because Fate/Zero provides no resolution on fixing the problems the grail caused and how far the Einzberg went which is touched on in all three routes, and the situation of the Matou's which is only handled by Heaven's Feel. Even if Heaven's Feel isn't adapted, we can rest assured that a lot of elements from it will be used if we're looking at a "Fate/Zero sequel".
>check out Atsuko Tanaka's twitter
>covered in Bayonetta retweets
>also discovered a new FSN PV comes out today
10/10 wouldn't hide with a raincoat.
How in fuck does HF satisfactorily resolve Saber's story? On the same note, Shirou throwing away his ideals and what remained of his father's influence for some poon sure as shit doesn't resolve UBW's theme.
Fuck I hate HFags, they say the stupidest shit sometimes.
>Saber gets corrupted and dies
>Shirou nearly destroys himself after throwing away his ideals
Heaven's Feel is possible "answer" to the first two routes, but it's also the most detached from Fate/Zero. Because while Shirou throwing away his ideals is possible conclusion to Shirou's story, it doesn't do a thing for Kiritsugu's story. Same with Saber. The way she ends up in Heaven's Feel is a possible conclusion to her story in Fate/stay night, but it doesn't do anything for the grief, drive and wishes she displayed in Fate/Zero. Once again, it's throwing away everything from Fate/Zero in order to create an entirely separate conclusion.
The only ones who achieves any sort of closure in relation to Fate/Zero are Sakura and Kotomine. The others pretty much detach themselves from it completely. In that sense, Heaven's Feel is the worst possible conclusion to Fate/Zero's story, because it throws away half of the core issues and themes from Fate/Zero for the sake of its own conclusion.
That's not necessarily wrong, and Heaven's Feel is a very good route on its own, but that's only as the stand-alone story called "Fate/stay night". It only works if you mostly disregard Fate/Zero.
It would be like if Return of the Jedi continued off from Empire Strikes Back by having Luke ignore his heritage and stop caring about the fact that he's Darth Vader's son.
I personally prefer her original (modern) dress and the suit from F/Z. The formality suits her personality more.
Only routes that resolve Saber's issues are Fate and the true end of UBW.
>problems the grail caused
covered effectively in all three routes
>how far the Einzberg went
covered effectively in Fate
>situation of the Matous
Fuck the Matous.
Honestly if they want to touch all the themes of Fate/Zero they need to do a completely original route. Which isn't going to happen.
Whyyyyyy. Fucking boyshorts a SHIT.
and if they made a prerequel of hollow ?
I dunno about True End. I like to think in UBW Good, after teaching Shirou for another year or so about swordfighting, Saber gets Avalon and finds her peace or something.
>also discovered a new FSN PV comes out today
What if it's post-UBW/Fate, when Rin & Weaver (and probably Shirou) go back to dismantle the Grail?
Are you fucking kidding me faggot?
And wasn't UBW more of a maybe thing? IIRC she just realizes that the core is corrupted and still regrets her rule to a degree.
It's been a while since I read the ending though.
Saber doesn't need muggle dickings, Heaven's Feel still touches on her failures and the result of them from Fate/Zero, which is the corruption of the grail. What it fails to cover is her problems in life as King, which is unnecessary to bother with if we view the adaptation as a Fate/Zero sequel instead of a Fate/Stay Night visual novel cover.
Shirou throwing away his father's ideals is an alternate answer to the compromises presented in Unlimited Blade Works, it's a son breaking away from the generation before him and succeeding it.
Although I agree that Heaven's Feel doesn't do as good a job as the previous two routes, that's why I made the preposition that it needs to be done in conjunction with them in some form to cover everything effectively. It has all the ground-work to do what it needs to do, hence a "modified version of Heaven's Feel that'll include elements of the first two".
Absolutely retarded because that would mean no Servants die.
Poor Makiri family. They never get their time to shine.
It's not an answer, it's giving up.
God damn it /a/ stop using fashion terms incorrectly.
Fate/Stay Night is basically a giant metaphor for growing up. Accepting that the man you considered a hero had flaws and that you don't need to struggle to match up with him is an answer as much as striving to be like him even when you know he's wrong is.
I want to see Gill not be PIS/CIS and battle Sakura and her army of servants.
Sure, if being a cynic means growing up.
>mfw it's going to suck as much as DEEN's
That'd be pretty cool I guess. FSN will be 2 coer, and use that time to cover all three routes episode by episode. Each route gets their true or good ending, then maybe one episode for the dismantling of the Grail, and the final episode is Rin and Ilya continuing their Zelretch experiments, fucking it up and merging all three routes into one.
No, it means that magical experiments post-Grail War bring them all back. Except for Kotomine and Zouken.
Impossible. DEEN is literally incapable of making a good show unless it involves lesbians.
>What it fails to cover is her problems in life as King, which is unnecessary to bother with if we view the adaptation as a Fate/Zero sequel instead of a Fate/Stay Night visual novel cover.
How is it unnecessary? The problems with her rule was a major point in her character arc in F/Z. There was this entire banquet about it, remember? Her life and times as the "perfect" king without emotions is absolutely essential to her character, and her problems can not be resolved without addressing it.
>Shirou throwing away his father's ideals is an alternate answer to the compromises presented in Unlimited Blade Works, it's a son breaking away from the generation before him and succeeding it.
True, Nasu does say that all the routes are a possible answer
>that's why I made the preposition that it needs to be done in conjunction with them in some form to cover everything effectively. It has all the ground-work to do what it needs to do, hence a "modified version of Heaven's Feel that'll include elements of the first two".
But how would that work? Like anons previously said, HF goes in a completely different direction than Fate and UBW. You'd have to pick an ending eventually. You can lay down the groundwork all you want, but if the conclusion isn't proper, then what's the point of the build-up?
Also, Gilgamesh dies in the most pitiful manner possible in Heaven's Feel.
Heaven's Feel reaches most of its conclusions by completely cutting itself Fate/Zero. In that regard, it's basically the most independent of the three routes, though paradoxically, it's also the one that's most reliant on the other two routes. The conclusions reached in Heaven's Feel only work if you're already familiar with the core issues in Fate and UBW.
>Implying everyone here is Cisgendered
GO DROWN IN YOUR OWN PISS, YOU GODDAMN MULTISPECIES-ATTACKING, GENDER-OVERPRIVILEGED NECKBEARD
>the result of them from Fate/Zero, which is the corruption of the grail
What the fuck? The corruption of the grail dates back to the, what, 2nd, 3rd HGW? The fuck does that have to do with Saber? Fuck, you guys will make up anything.
No because it makes Gil looks weak. He's not meant to be a redeemable character.
Even if it sucks, at least the characters are fappable this time.
>Gilgamesh dies in the most pitiful manner possible in Heaven's Feel.
Oh, come on. I might not be that far in HF yet, but surely it can't be worse than getting the shit kicked out of you at your own game by a highschooler and then swallowed by your own Grail fucking up...can it?
He gets oneshotted by a teenage girl instead
Have you forgotten the QUALITY in DEEN/Stay Night.
Accepting that there are times that you have to make compromises in life is not cynical.
Putting Ufotable and Kajiura together already makes something better than DEEN's piece of shit no matter how awful it turns out.
No, there's being realistic and then there's being cynical.
Was Gilgamesh secretly a Lancer all along? He has the luck for it.
he gets eaten by the wormslut
>one-shot by the most useless, pointless, most boring, miserable waste of a route in VN history
It can be worse.
the 3rd because einzbern cheating and summoning Avenger and blahblah
Lancers can't help it, the universe itself shits on them. Gil is just a dumbass.
>PV due out 30-1-14
>that's today in Japan
Nobody cares about her. ;_;
There's going to be another PV?
I'd say UBW is just an Emiya route and HF is the one that's focused on the 3 families and the Grail War, because face it, Rin got very little exposure in her own supposed route but she was pretty great in HF.
I think that's what this says (from ufotable's twitter):
>「Fate/stay night 」公式サイトより 「TYPE-MOONエースVol.9にて、続報発表（2014年1月30日発売） アニメーション制作：ufotable 」PVもあります。
I don't know about the PV, but is this really all the information from TM Ace? Surely there's more, right?
>be butthurt and desperate because your clan is so useless you can't win the war by playing fair
>break all rules and summon the illest, hardest and sickest nigga in history
>this breaks the grail and by the way the nigga is the weakest servant of all time
Einzberns are such losers.
I can't wait to see the faces on the Fate/Zero animefags when they see Gilgamesh gets stomped.
They're also idiots.
What happened in the second grail war?
>The Second Holy Grail War was held around 1860's, formally take on the name of the "Holy Grail War." Developing into a war for the second time, it pointed out shortcomings in the rules due to it developing into a murder spree in which nobody survived. It ended with no victory, and the Three Families took it as a lesson to create more precise rules such as bringing in a third party like the Church. The evocation site of the Grail was held at Tohsaka mansion.
>Summon the strongest heroic spirit... into the worst possible class for him
>Then assign him to a little girl
>GOOD PLAN HUH GUYS
>Let's make the Grail vessel our master for the 5th HGW, there's no way this could go wrong!
The Grail didn't show up, and that's about it.
>The pose in the 2nd panel is Kariya's I'm going to win this pose
You really can't work it out from the illustration and context?
What happens if nobody adds the Berserker verse to the summoning spell? Will Berserker status be randomly inflicted on someone, or will the last summoner be notified magically "sorry but you have to summon a Berserker because we're out of classes"?
Don't forget the only time they did win was in Apocrypha was because they summoned Ruler and not Avenger but got the grail stolen by Darnic and the master died
Given that the Berserker class was created to be a magical energy sponge class, that was supposed to be kind of terrible so the three knight classes could win more easily, it does seem likely that that would happen.
Its on the page?
There's supposedly a newer one coming out.
That's the one from late last year. Isn't it? Can't tell, it's blocked in my country
More or less.
Zerker is one of the junk classes just included to round out the 7, the game was rigged from the beginning so that only the three Knight classes (who the three main families intended to summon) had any chance of winning. Of course that plan fell apart almost instantly, but you can still see the framework of it.
But the real question is: how did the Einzberns manage to lose the third magic?
Miura: The content of Fate/Stay Night should be assembled to follow the vector introduced by Fate/Zero, we are following that logic. If we succeed things should become interesting.
There is one more thing, from the time I received the post of director I decided one thing.
That is to draw precisely the character who is Emiya Shirou.
Shirou who is incomplete as a magician and doesn't possess any worthwile talent in the first stage of the story, adding to that Saber who is tied to an incomplete summoning, who doesn't receive enough mana and who can't fight at full strength.
>Despite this while claiming to Saber "Women shouldn't fights", he still throw himself in the frontine.
Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character with one wrong move.
But playing the original game I realized he wasn't just an idiot who wanted to become a hero, but someone who's heart is warped somewhere.
Why did he become this way, by understanding and despiting this I'm sure he could become a very attractive protagonist.
Oh boy, can't wait for another Fate. Saber-chan kawaii.
>Oh boy, can't wait for another Fate. Saber-chan kawaii.
How does it imply Fate? That was a rather general view and could be applied to any of the routes.
>I realized he wasn't just an idiot who wanted to become a hero, but someone who's heart is warped somewhere.
Exactly what happened to me. Hated Shirou in the anime, fell for him HARD in the VN.
>He played the original game
YOU SEE THIS NAGAI? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT YOU FUCKER
He only pulls the "women belong in the kitchen" thing in Fate route.
UBW and HF don't deal with Shirou stopping Saber from fighting.
>Director of the 6th Kara no Kyoukai movie).
And fucking dropped.
Ilya route confirmed.
>F/SN directed by Nagai
How bad would it be?
Oh woops, I see. I was wondering why that part was highlighted.
He does then say >Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character with one wrong move. So perhaps he was talking about just the VN?
But she's always been that way.
It might be him just throwing out random examples, but it's enough to make cold sweat appear on my ass. I really, really do not want to see Fate again.
>Drawing him like this could make him a very annoying character with one wrong move.
>But playing the original game I realized he wasn't just an idiot who wanted to become a hero, but someone who's heart is warped somewhere.
So this proves that most of the people who didn't like Shirou didn't go through the VN right? I went through the VN after being told to avoid the anime and I never got the hate for Shirou.
We can all agree that Sakura is the best heroine and HF is the best route, right?
Saber Lily will be the main heroine
I read the VN and I hated him in Fate. Whatever Nasu was trying to portray with Shirou in Fate failed very poorly.
The whole "you lost me" joke never made sense to me reading the VN, because you can clearly see his thought process. He's never really oblivious, except when it comes to Sakura, he's just overwhelmed.
>Sakura is the best heroine
You might have a case if you were to specify F/HA, but in F/SN? No, good sir.
>HF is the best route
Aw, I don't think Fate's so bad. If the pacing were fixed, and all the expository stuff is already taken care of, it wouldn't be that bad.
>No, good sir.
Personally I don't think so.
Sakura doesn't do anything in F/HA.
I meant the VN as a whole. So while he wasn't the best in Fate, He more than made up it for it in UBW and HF.
What? The requests board has a subboard for anime now?
That's a pretty bad case of shit taste then.
No and no
And yet, she's a thousand times more bearable in it. It's amazing what not being a mass murderer does for one's likability.
>No, good sir.
Reddit called, they want their shitpost back.
I watched the anime first and hated his guts. But somewhere around the time of the Berserker fight I stopped hating him and by the time he was in the Church basement bleeding out I really had begun to like him.
Anybody else think that HF should have been the second route? (Obviously with some changes so that fewer things are revealed)
If you think of it as if the routes are three acts, HF fits more as an Act 2 in tone, compared to UBW which feels much more like a climactic Act 3.
Call the cops, I don't give a fuck.
I personally don't see the appeal in either Saber or Rin. Saber is bland and uninteresting. The only Fate work where she approaches interesting is F/Z and that's because Urobuchi does as much as he can to shit all over her. Rin is selfish, spoiled and bitchy. Sakura isn't only the best heroine, she's the only likable one, so it isn't much of an achievement. I might prefer Ilya but technically she doesn't count.
Heaven's Feel is quite clearly the best route. I don't see how anyone could argue this.
I'm not saying I liked her in F/SN but in F/HA I wouldn't even really consider a heroine.
Sakura just bores me either way, to be honest.
Not at all. UBW had a great middle, but not so great climax. HF's beginning and middle was rather dull, but all the loose ends it wrapped up in the climax fit wonderfully.
But that would ruin the nice progression of each route getting more and more depressing. Also the end of HF is the best part of the whole VN.
Ugh. Sakura. She's much more interesting as a tragic character then a love interest.
The best way to involve all the major players and wrap of their respective arcs would be to pair off the climatic battles with Gilgamesh vs Arturia, Sakura vs Rin, and Kotomine vs Shirou. Gil and Saber's HF death and Kotomine's UBW death does absolutely nothing for their characters.
Setting it up wouldn't be too hard to do.
No, HF really is the "shit's hit the fan" route. It wouldn't work as well. Also, it really needs the look into Shirou's head from UBW to work.
It's got the best climax, but I still prefer UBW.
>I don't see how anyone could argue this.
Lancerfags and Gilfags mostly. Heaven's Feel has the most action, the most thematic significance, the best character arc and provides a brilliant conclusion to the entire VN, both narratively and thematically. That and more Kotomine and Ilya than any other route.
>Sakura isn't only the best heroine, she's the only likable one,
>Sakura isn't only the best heroine, she's the only likable one, so it isn't much of an achievement
>Heaven's Feel is quite clearly the best route. I don't see how anyone could argue this.
But isn't this just a case of my opinion > your opinion
>HF fits more as an Act 2 in tone, compared to UBW which feels much more like a climactic Act 3.
Are you serious? That's pants on head retarded. It's the complete opposite. I think you're due for a re-read.
HF only has the best action because SLH is in it.
>Not at all. UBW had a great middle, but not so great climax. HF's beginning and middle was rather dull, but all the loose ends it wrapped up in the climax fit wonderfully.
>But that would ruin the nice progression of each route getting more and more depressing. Also the end of HF is the best part of the whole VN.
I agree, but I think that the battle with Kotomine could have been put into UBW.
I just feel like Shirou's character progression goes backwards in HF.
>>Gilgamesh vs Arturia, Sakura vs Rin, and Kotomine vs Shirou
This could actually happen
Yep. That's what I'm hoping for.
>but I think that the battle with Kotomine could have been put into UBW.
>I just feel like Shirou's character progression goes backwards in HF.
Not at all. Shirou matures more in HF than in any other route. He realises the hypocrisy of his ideal but he doesn't pull a full manchild like Kerry does, instead he focuses on what's most important to him. Fate establishes the ideal, UBW challenges it and HF subverts it entirely and that's why HF is fitting as a final route.
So much wrong in one post.
Only fujoshi prefer UBW to HF.
> Heaven's Feel has the most action
I would argue that goes to UBW
>the most thematic significance
Of what? Ideals? All the routes fit that. Besides, my favourite is the sword in the sheathe theme anyways.
>the best character arc
Ahcha character development is pretty nice, as is Saber's. Complain all you want about moefication, but her transformation from a machine to a person who shows her true thoughts and feelings echo Kerry's in ways.
>provides a brilliant conclusion to the entire VN, both narratively and thematically.
I guess that's true. HF climax is great.
So long as Rin doesn't lay down for Sakura, this would be fantastic.
See, I see it more like, Fate establishes the ideal, HF challenges it, and UBW reinforces it.
>I would argue that goes to UBW
You'd be wrong. Anyone got that picture that goes through the routes day by day?
>Rin is selfish, spoiled and bitchy.
So have you actually READ the VN or just the wikipedia page?
>Only Sakurafags prefer HF to UBW
I can shit talk too.
>I see it more like, Fate establishes the ideal, HF challenges it, and UBW reinforces it.
That's not how Nasu intended it. You got it wrong and that sounds like a 'me' problem, not a 'we' problem.
Obviously. If Nasu intended it any other way, he would have ordered them differently.
I was just raising the question of whether the story could have potentially been better had it not been intended that way.
I have it, but this picture is obviously made by a HF fan because it brushes off a lot of the things that happen in Fate and UBW, while putting in some of the smaller details in the HF section.
Shirou's ideal is truly great and certainly worth respecting. I wish he was more like Kiritsugu. Mind of Steel true end amirite?
Not him but HF Shirou's change was too sudden and felt really out of character.
Also, I don't feel like "Fuck protecting people I'm just going to protect what's important to me" is particularly more mature then "I'm going to follow my ideals without destroying myself over failure"
In fact, I'd argue the opposite.
When did I say that? UBW true end is the one I agree with. When Shirou and Archer find their answer. They realize that helping people and seeing the consequences of their altruism is its own reward.
Yeah, that's exactly right. All 3 are viable answers and none of them are "cannoner" than the rest
>Wanting to protect people isn't worthy of respect.
Careful their, edgemaster, you'll cut yourself.
>Also, I don't feel like "Fuck protecting people I'm just going to protect what's important to me" is particularly more mature then "I'm going to follow my ideals without destroying myself over failure"
Not when your ideal is unrealistic and inherently hypocritical.
>tfw I see the three routes as crystallizations of Shirou's magic potential.
Shirou masters tracing the item and the accumulated history of the item, as demonstrated by tracing Avalon
Shirou masters his Reality Marble, as demonstrated by Unlimited Blade Works
Shirou masters tracing the item and the martial technique associated with them, as demonstrated by Mighty Wind
Shirou masters tracing the item and an imagined legend associated with the item, as demonstrated by tracing the Argon Coin as per Jason's impenetrable armor myth instead of the dragon summon tool
>That's not how Nasu intended it
Interpretative medium, motherfucker. Doesn't matter how Nasu intended it.
That said, for his ideals theory to make sense the routes would have had to have that different order, which they don't.
>Not when your ideal is unrealistic and inherently hypocritical.
Which is the point of UBW. At the end of the route Shirou accepts that he can't succeed in protect everyone but that it's still one worthy of striving for.
>Gilgamesh vs Shadow
>the nightmare ends
I can tell the person that wrote this is a massive fucking faggot just by seeing that.
>Not when your ideal is unrealistic and inherently hypocritical.
Which is the point of UBW. At the end of the route Shirou accepts that he can't succeed in protect everyone and his ideal is unachieveable but still worth striving for.
Not the other anon, but Shirou's ideals at the start of the VN are flawed. He thinks that by blindly trying to save everyone in every situation he possibly can that he will become a hero - without ever considering himself . In reality that's most likely to get him killed without helping a single other person, possibly even making things worse.
He needs to learn to value his own life so he doesn't waste it, accept that sometimes he CAN'T rescue everyone and just has to save as many as he can without hesitating and getting others killed for pointless reasons, and that if he fucks up that he just has to learn to cope and move on instead of beating himself up forever over it.
Wanting to save others is a good thing, wanting to save others while being blinded by your own obsession and dreams is dangerous.
>completely leave out Shirou and Kotomine in Fate route
>Interpretative medium, motherfucker. Doesn't matter how Nasu intended it.
Death of the author doesn't mean shit - you CAN interpret the routes that way, but it doesn't change that that's not what they actually represent.
>Shirou accepts that he can't succeed in protect everyone and his ideal is unachieveable but still worth striving for.
This got me wondering, what would Shirou from UBW do if he was confronted with the same choice given in HF?
>He needs to learn to value his own life so he doesn't waste it, accept that sometimes he CAN'T rescue everyone and just has to save as many as he can without hesitating and getting others killed for pointless reasons, and that if he fucks up that he just has to learn to cope and move on instead of beating himself up forever over it.
Which is exactly the place Shirou ends up at the end of UBW.
Probably be happy that it turned out so well but also pissed that HF Shirou was willing to let hundreds of people die for one person.
When the hell is the new PV going to be available for non-elevens?
>He needs to learn to value his own life
That is the one thing he CAN'T do and he never does this in any of the routes. He CAN'T. He's fundamentally broken. Even in Heaven's Feel, he still prioritizes Sakura's life over his own, completely and absolutely. There is absolutely no way he can ever put any real value to his own life.
Here's the problem with Sakura.
She's cast as a tragic heroine that the player is supposed to feel both sympathy and attachment for. More specifically, the player is supposed to use accumulated attachment for Sakura as a basis for building sympathy later, when her tragic character arc is revealed.
The problem with that is that there is no accumulated attachment to the player. There is accumulated attachment between Shirou and Sakura, but it's taken as read; the player is TOLD there is a connection, but never SHOWN.
Then when the big reveal happens, the game tries to use that connection to establish sympathy for Sakura, but there's no guarantee of it being there; those that did have that preexisting attachment to Sakura would get the sympathy, but those that didn't get nothing. Without the attachment, there's no sympathy. But the rest of the route continues on assuming there's sympathy for Sakura that isn't necessarily there. From then on it seems the entire world is forcing these two characters together, which is great if you're sympathetic to Sakura, but alienating if you aren't, and only serves to build resentment for the character.
That's why Sakura as a character is so divisive; it seems like you either love her, worship her, best girl would marry top waifu etc., or you're so damn sick of her you come to actually hating her, her fans and her route.
Pic related, another similar character.
Fuck, I could've sworn I'd added this pic.
Me neither n-no homo
This guy gets it.
What if they'd made it so it was Sakura who was kidnapped by Caster in UBW instead of Taiga? Would that have helped?
Obviously Sakura could take Caster on no problem, but she wouldn't want to reveal her power level, and Rider's already dead by that point.
No, no he doesn't. He still doesn't give a fuck about his own life and he still beats himself up over failures he couldn't help prevent, he's nowhere near that stage.
UBW Shirou likes Rin more than Sakura, so he would side with her and confront Sakura, try to talk her down, and ultimately end up killing her with Rin.
Did you not get the true end or something? Did Archer's smile mean nothing to you?
Yup, and that's why I feel that while in HF he comes *close* to finally gaining something approaching a healthy mental state, he still never fully heals.
Can we all agree that the best anime adaptation of any Type-Moon is Carnival Phantasm?
>>implying Rin would really ever kill Sakura
She would hesitate at the last minute, and Shirou would make the final attack to save Rin's life.
Or something like that.
At best in UBW Shriou recognizes he's probably never going to actually achieve his goals, and they might end up ruining him like Archer.
However, he never truly begins to value his life equally or above others, and he still lets the guilt of failing weigh on his mind more than is reasonable. He's not fully cured from being so 'distorted', as Rin puts it.
Yes. Best and most faithful adaptation. Only one worth watching.
I actually played Tsukihime just so I could better get the jokes in Carnival Phantasm
Sounds more like a problem with the people who can't sympathize with her.
Yeah I can live with that.
Season 4 when?
wow, i'm not the only one
i read f/s n > watched f/z > watched carnival phantasm > read tsukihime > watched carnival phantasm again
I haven't even watched Carnival Phantasm because I can't will myself to finish Melty Blood.
played Melty > watched Tsuki anime > realized it was dogshit > read Tsuki manga > watched FSN > realized it too was dogshit > played FSN > played FHA > watched KnK > watched Carnival > trying to reinstall FHA on new PC but failing
>Sakura is FSN's Rinoa Heartilly
WHOOOOOA. No one's that bad.
Actually, it was a pretty bad adaptation at times. The Sakura episode felt like a parody of the average Sakura hater's mindset, what with how out of character she was portrayed. Since when did she run around hitting people like some shitty tsundere?
i haven't watched tsuki anime/fsn anime/ubw movie because i don't want to ruin my memories of the VNs
i'm currently working through ataraxia but at this relatively early point i don't like it much, it feels like badly written fanfiction
>>WHOOOOOA. No one's that bad.
>forced onto MC while other better girls fall by wayside
>MC goes from passably competent to making retarded decision for the sake of her
>most fans of the game despise her for the above
>secretly a witch
>controlled by big bad who wants to destroy the world
>the world would legitimately be infinitely better off if someone would just kill her
Sounds apt to me, son.
So next next fall is Tsukihime remake? Can't wait!
Kotomine a Rin. Discuss.
>magical girl ilya gets her own anime
>and now she gets her own route
Truly she is the best girl.
Whoa, HF Shirou is by far and away the most competent Shirou.
You can go ahead and take everything else though.
>best girl getting a route
The only way that's happening is this.
>FHA getting voiced
>we finally get delicious flirty big sister Raida whipping her hair back and forth
All girls and guys are best
>Ufotable is promoting this as a Fate/Zero sequel.
Late reply, and Siliconera isn't exactly a go-to source for anime news and interviews, but they seem to be pretty confident that it is the opposite.
>Additionally, ufotable say that, while both production staff and viewers may tend to view the new Fate/Stay Night anime as a “sequel to Zero,” they’re attempting to create their adaptation of Fate/Stay Night independently of Fate/Zero, since Zero was able to be what it is using the original Fate/Stay Night game as a foundation.
Sounds like Rinfag tears to me.
How's it feel knowing your girl's not even a better girl than her own +1, Sakurafags?
Angra Mainyu > Sakura
>there will never be a Fujimura route
>you will never see Fujimura unseal the true Tora-Shinai and unleash her full power on Lancer Alter while Shirou and Heracles-Archer team up against Gilgamesh and Rin
I do like those boots.
Still don't like how her hair's all over the place, but I'll admit I'm sold on the skirt and boots now.
Feels fine, since Rider is easily best girl.
I dunno, I like the old design better.
I hope for an entirely new OST now that Type-Moon doesn't have a shoestring budget.
I like the boots and the skirt.
Hey, Sakura wasn't the one who got overshadowed by her servant in her own route.
Then Saber confirmed for best heroine because she's her own servant!
Don't worry, I'm sure Shirou won't forget Sakura while he's in London. With Rin. Fucking her nightly.
This is serious news.
Do you have any further knowledge on the subject?
Or with Saber and Rin. Fucking them both nightly.
>Rin plays badminton
>tfw I play badminton too
Best girl confirmed
And I'm sure Rin won't forget Shirou and Sakura fucking eachother in her house while she's in London. With fat old men. Fucking them daily.
Rin is still very much in love with Shirou in HF True.
That's a bit uncalled for.
It's just Carnival Phantasm. He's fine. A bit of a siscon, but 4chan likes sicons.
>talking about canon
>talking about a doujin
This threads gone down the tubes with all the shitflinging.
Good night /a/.
>story is to be centered on shirou
Considering HF felt like the most Shirou centric one to me (regarding character development and manlyness) and UBW regarding Shiro/Archer I fear it won't be HF or UBW and rather the first route.
>Father is a magic sword
>Mother is a super magus
>Auntie Saber is a super swordsman
Their children are going to have awesome lives. They'll probably want a soundproofed room, but still.
Pretty sure it's outright stated in HF True that Rin gets together with a bunch of other people in London.
>I fear it won't be HF or UBW and rather the first route
Oh well. Saber's my favourite!
I'm pretty sure it's outright stated in HF True that Shirou's dead and Sakura goes mad waiting for him to return.
HF normal, you mean?
HF Normal Rin has a kid, don't remember if she got married.
HF True Rin is frustrated because she hates being in London and is still crushing hard on Shirou.
Or Saber will have son and Rin will have daughter. And we get ultimate incest romance.
Didn't she reject other boys in HF True because she still has feelings for Shirou but let Sakura be happy with Shirou for her sake.
>HF Normal Rin has a kid, don't remember if she got married.
You can't marry a jackhammer
If this is sequel to F/Z then
It can't be Fate Route, since it's just the introduction of the Holy Grail
It can't be UTW Route, since Shirou don't have much relation to F/Z
It SHOULD be since HF Route, since expose the true nature of the Grail just like the end of F/Z
If it's have the tone similar to F/Z then it undeniable being HF Route because it has darker tone similar to F/Z
She didn't reject them, it's just that she couldn't stop thinking of Shirou while sleeping around with them.
I think of HF as well. The only thing in HF which would be a bit weird or anti-climactic would be Gil's sudden dead. But considering they'll change stuff to make it fit better to Zero they'd probably change his death scene as well or give him more screentime before that.
F/z was written to be dark because the sequel was happy for everyone.
>If this is sequel to F/Z then it should be HF Route, since it covers everything to do with the Grail that's already been covered in F/Z
There's a word for sequels that just reheat what was in the original: shit.
It should be UBW since it's the route where Saber discovers the truth regarding servants, explained by the all loved Gil
I know I'm late but I wanted to say I agree with this guy
I think it's gonna be mostly HF but with Gil ripping Ilya's heart out, and Sakura going all wormslut only in the last few episodes.
The overbearing story of F/Z, as confirmed by the FSN trailer, is the condemnation of Saber's ideals, the foreshadowing on the part of Rider that she should give up, and how she fails to realize her dream because of Kiritsugu's adherence to his. Ergo, the ideal follow-up to it should be based on Fate, in which she lets go of her impossible dream, discovers that there is more to life than it, and in doing so ultimately finds the redemption she sought all along.
HF True should have been a threesome end with both Sakura and Rin. There's attraction flying every which way enough for it to work. I mean, judging by that last bad ending in HF, I think Sakura would relish the chance to dom her sister.
Why is Taiga so perfect?
yeah it won't be UTW route, where Shirou becoming fansubber
>in which she lets go of her impossible dream
But that never happened.
Rather, she remember what she'd set out to do in the first place and realized that she'd accomplished it already.
How about DOUJINSHI ARTIST Shirou?
>he summons Daiz
>his noble phantasm is a reality marble that turns everything into 10 bit
All we need is somebody to break that Reality Marble
- looks at Gilgamesh
- looks at Touma
Because they're retarded and knowledge of the Third seems to have been passed down to the homunculi they treated like shit.
Apparently Ilya is a genius alchemist (made Sella and Liz in a year, made the Dress of Heaven herself), but the Einzbern didn't bother teaching her magic. Everything she can do is a vague expression of the Third.
The Three Families of the Beginning are really fucking stupid. Amazingly so.
And as a result, gave up on her impossible and pointless dream of undoing her kingship, accepted her life and death, and found Avalon, Shirou and redemption. Nitpick all you want, Fate is still the more apt continuation of F/Z than HF.
Think there'll somehow be a way to combine Fate's route with HF's route?
Seriously. I just want animated Shirou/Kotomine already.
>Gets smacked in the face with a chair's leg instead
Must suck for Touma to only have an incomplete Minds Eye...
Wormslut is the best for Shirou since they're both horribly broken people, but UBW is best route.
HF has the best bad end and HF Normal is best end.
And now we know the backstory to Oreimo.
Is Saber fertile?
he has precognition you know?
>HF Normal is best end
...That's his Minds Eye ability.
HF plot with UBW action and Saber heroine. Make it happen, ufotable
Everyone in Fate is broken in some way or another.
I hope it's an oriangal route which ends with shirou heading straight to the pathto counter guardian emiya.
What about "It's just new content" do you people don't understand?
Happy archa is best end
>but UBW is best route.
Go back to reddit.
>tfw the series will end with Rin and Ilya screwing up their Zelretch experiment, and make all three routes into the one canon, setting up the CP studio to make a Hollow Ataraxia anime.
Sorry anon I just wanted to dream
How does liking UBW imply reddit? If anything, edgy HF does.
Can't save everyone, it's always a trade off
In order to get more Saber we must sacrifice Kotomine. In order to get more Kotomine we must sacrifice Archer. In order to get Archer we must sacrifice Ilya. There's no route where we get good development for them all, which kind of fits in with the moral of it all. You can't save everyone; there's always less chairs for people to sit in then there are people.
UBW is the only route that doesn't have downsides.
It's poignant as fuck.
For happy endings, HF True and UBW Good are tied unless you're an Ilyafag and want her alive, which means you're stuck with Fate True.
Rin is honestly just a fuckup who can't admit her shortcomings. Caster is a decent person driven to desperate ends and made nasty due to her legend. HF Ilya is a good kid with a fatalistic streak once she starts talking to Shirou. Lancer did fucked up shit in his legend, but he's a bro in Fate.
Shirou, Kotomine, Sakura, Saber, Archer and Gil are the main ones with major malfunctions in F/SN.
>How does liking UBW imply reddit?
Because UBW is the *tips fedora* route that the Gilfags and Archerfags all like. It lives and breathes reddit
Being shit isn't a downside now? HF is the only route in F/SN that's actually readable.
>UBW is the *tips fedora* route
*tips fedora* glad you agree with me good sir! HF is for true gentlemen like ourselves!
>implying that means anything to people who don't go to reddit
no anon, you are the redditor
Just because there's a lot to read in HF, doesn't make it readable.
You're trying too hard.
Incest genre is not just about Oreimo.
As long she has body, she is.
The only thing that HF has going for it is the end. UBW is ok all around.
Caster being bland as fuck despite taking up most of the route, the Shirou vs Archer fight where Archer gives up just because Shirou sticks his fingers in his ears while screaming that it's not a mistake, Archer living for several days despite being skewered by Gil... do I need to go on?
>read Fate/side material
>there actually was a Caster route before it was scrapped
>coop with Rider was a part of that route
>tfw we could've had two best girls in one route...
Why are you so defensive, just because some kid calls your favourite route edgy doesn't mean you can start telling ubwfags to go back to reddit. Anyway I thought reddit was full of nihilist nietzsche wannabes wouldn't they prefer heavens feel?
Every route has downsides
Heroine isn't even important in her own route, quite a few people see the H scene as just a long drawn out rape, Lancer despite this being the route he's supposed to shine in only gets two scenes to really be impressive and one of those involves him dying without accomplishing too much aside from looking good while doing it, lot of people seem to hate Kuzuki for being boring , Gilgamesh was literally there just to play foil to Shirou's character this time in about the same way his personality was designed just to play foil to Saber in the previous route, fight between Gilgamesh and Shirou was a jobbing fest, Rin goes to such lengths to save Shinji which was just slightly out of place given some events in other routes (I don't mean the rape), Rin uses super Kung-fu to beat up a being that's at least ten times stronger than peak human, and it turns out that Archer cannot trace Excalibur even in part so that really was just some lousy bluff
Ask yourself this: What route is the best route to add new content to make it that nobody gets shafted while also making it follow up on all the plot lines of Fate/Zero?
The answer is Heaven's Feel.
Develop Saber more and don't let her get altered too quickly. Add Gil scenes. Add more scenes of Servants/Masters before they are killed. Give more focus on Shirou's ideals before he breaks them, while also potentially adding conflict between him and Archer.
In comparison, it is much harder to do it for the other routes. Zouken, Sakura, and the Shadow can't be just thrown in there without changing the routes entirely. They are pretty major things. If they don't get complete focus what we will end up with is bondage Sakura 2.0, which is bad.
I'm not saying that HF will be the route they are doing, because honestly I doubt it will be. What I am saying is that HF is pretty much undeniably the best route for them to add new content without fucking up the route entirely. If they aren't going to do a completely original one, an altered HF is the best option.
That sounds fun I wish they made a squeal or expansion that added more routes
Okay. My favourite route's Fate anyways, so insult my taste all you want.
0% chance of happening
Even if it is the route where the most people reach happiness in the end which would just need a little more add ons for other characters so they can get good endings as well, it's still absolutely not going to happen. We know that Fate route is the only way they're likely to go here.
Fate is the route that can be changed the most since it's the simplest, the most flawed and the one most hardcore fans dislike the most.
Although I dislike the middle section of HF, I understand that it's core to the route.
Heavens Feel does not follow up on Saber's plot line in F/Z. The only route that does that with any satisfaction is Fate.
Conversely, all F/Z plot lines can be followed up in Fate or UBW. You HFags are reaching harder than fucking True Assassin.
>Develop Saber more and don't let her get altered too quickly. Add Gil scenes.
But Saber and Gil are both shit-tier characters. Heaven's Feel is better because of their limited presense, not in spite of it.
>Heavens Feel does not follow up on Saber's plot line in F/Z. The only route that does that with any satisfaction is Fate.
Yeah and Fate doesn't follow up Sakura's plot line at all. What are you even trying to say?
>Conversely, all F/Z plot lines can be followed up in Fate or UBW.
Feel free to use a blanket statement like that without going into it further. I'd love to see you explain how they can incorporate Sakura/Zouken into Fate and UBW without making the route entirely different.
>But Saber and Gil are both shit-tier characters. Heaven's Feel is better because of their limited presense, not in spite of it.
Sakura and Rider are both shit-tier characters. UBW and even Fate are better because of their limited presence.
They should animate HF Normal.
You're making a sequel to Fate/zero and giving a shitty death to the only two characters the fans are looking forward to?
So If I didn't play Realta Nua, does that justify another playthough or am I good?
I'd like to see you explain how they can close Saber's plot line in HF without making the route entirely different.
>Sakura and Rider are both shit-tier characters.
But that's objectively incorrect.
I thought Saber's death was satisfying as fuck in HF. It was a very powerful moment. Gil's death was also pretty powerful, though admittedly only in contrast with how he acts in Fate and UBW.
In Realta Nua, Kotomine is voiced by Jouji Nakata. That should answer your question for you.
If it's a route mix, why not?
>But that's objectively incorrect.
But it's objectively correct.
We can do this for days. Opinions, opinions.
Fate or HF does not give proper follow up for Kotomine, Ilya, Sakura, Zouken, and maybe even Rin.
It's the human side characters that really matter in HF, that's what people want to preserve for the most part. Rin confronting her own ideals and deciding whether she will live as a human or magus in truth, Kotomine seeking his truth one last time and finding a kindred spirit while showing his pride as an Executioner, Sakura letting out ten years of darkness, Shirou as his ideals are pushed to their limits and he must question if this is what he truly desires in the end, and Ilya missing the one whom she'll never see again but reconnecting with the small family she has left while choosing her own fate.
Do I think that a modded Fate route could really cover this? Not really, Shirou could only keep up with serious Kotomine because they were both half dead there, and even then if it's modded Fate route then Shirou won't really know much about projection and thus would not have much of a dog at all in that fight. Sure he didn't learn too much projection in HF, but he did have a super human body to make up for it somewhat. Do I think a modded Fate or UBW could really follow up with Sakura and Zouken's plot sections? No, not entirely, since if Shirou found out that shit he'd want to put a stop to it and the route would kind of shift to being more HF which denies the scenario of it being another route in the first place here. Not to mention they can't really do shit about saving her there, so it's kind of an uneeded point to put in the story unless they go all in. Meaning unless the story was vaguely about her they won't have time for her shit, so it's best to leave her out in most cases, which means they can't really cover that drama.
>I thought Saber's death was satisfying as fuck in HF
>Gil's death was also pretty powerful
These are two of the most objectively wrong opinions I've ever heard from a Sakurafag.
Question : Of the 6 other Servants who participated in Grail War besides Saber, how would Shirou have faired?
Also for sake of Shirou not dying because he doesn't have enough mana to sustain a Berserker Hercules, Herc gets summoned as Archer for him.
>But it's objectively correct.
No it isn't.
I was wondering ... wouldn't it be awesome if they did this:
>Fate Stay Night Saber Route
>Then launch after it UBW Route
>Finish with HF Route
I don't really remember the name, but there was an anime of a VN that did this and in my opinion it was just awesome.
Not that guy, but I laughed when Gilga got insta buttraped. But feels bad about Saiba
He's kind of right, Saber's death was one of the more powerful scenes in the game. Also Gilgamesh did show his more serious side there as he just went executioner, but in the end he underestimated just what kind of beast it was despite severing the head and torso.
So when is the new volume coming out? It's been a year.
Caster : Fucked
Assassin : Fucked
Archer : Double Fucked
Lancer : Fucked
Rider : Fucked
Archer Herc : Victory through Herc's sheer insane combat level when his brain can actually function, even with him having to put up with Shirou as a mana source
>A route with this battle
He didn't say powerful, he said satisfying. Shirou in another throw-everything-away-for-pussy moment killing Saber pissed me off. Imagining that as part of a Fate/Zero follow-up implied by PVs to depict Saber's redemption would be utter, utter bullshit.
You do realize that following up on a plot line doesn't necessarily mean it gets a happy ending, right?
If they develop Saber, putting more focus on her before she goes Alter (Shirou finding out she is King Arthur, for one), her story can still be developed. If they add scenes after she becomes Alter with Sakura or something, there is more room for development there, as well. Have her realize before her death that using the Grail to prevent her Kingship is wrong or flawed or something, using Shirou as the catalyst for this. I'm sure there is some link that can be made between Shirou's character progression in HF that can be connected to Saber's wish.
She wouldn't get a completely happy ending, but that's too bad for her. Her being completely fulfilled isn't a requirement for her plot thread to be closed.
But... YOU are the most objectively wrong anon I've encountered today.
Fuck, I'd kill for a Herc + Shirou team.
>I'm sure there is some
Exactly. You can't even conceive how it could happen.
Assassin would be properly utilized.
Lancer has shit luck just like him.
Rider would be good match, and had potential.
Archer would be suicide.
Berserker would kill him unless it was archer but that's more speculation then even I like.
Caster if she falls for Shirou would be OP.
You guys still don't get it. The LCK stat is the capacity to defy fate. Gil's fate is to curbstomp every other Servant and in the war in an instant as the strongest of all.
His A rank luck lets him defy that, and lose every damn time.
It sounds like having luck is actually a pretty bad thing
>Caster : Fucked
She still has the nous to think of using the leylines, and Shirou has the connections to make it happen (Issei, brainwashed by Caster if need be). At the very worst, they'd fare no worse than Caster does in Fate/UBW, depending on what other servants went elsewhere.
Combine Shirou's tracing with Caster's A-rank artifact creation and you've got the potential to be truly overpowered. And then there's Caster's Argon Coin...
Archer kills shirou on the spot
Shirou and lancer get along like a house on fire and achieve their respective goals
Rider, I can't see anyone winning with rider unless some serious bullshit goes down like in heavens feel
assassin is pointless even bringing up
Caster and shirou have a lovely time untill the end when caster betrays shirou
Reason enough. Now comes the task of trying to find a good realta nua torrent.
It was a bit poetic and satisfying in it's own way; like a good tragedy story that hits that one note. If a scene is enough to move you in that way then it must have worked in some form, and it's not like a lot of people really faired that much better in almost any route. Think about it, Saber got off pretty light compared to how a lot of them ended up in different routes considering she still retained her dignity to the end and was killed by the one she loved. It was just her time to get the short end of the stick that route, just like every servant has to do in some route up to that point. Getting the short end of the stick can still lead to one of your best scenes as Cu Cuthulain shows us time and time again, but of course she's not going to be spared having at least one lesser ending when every other servant has to take shit in at least one route.
Just look at Hercules watching as his pretend daughter gets her eyes and leg tendons ripped out in front of him, and all he is not able to do shit to save her. Rider gets beaten by a human in UBW, Caster gets her love killed in Fate route and then tries to take on Saber in a suicidal stupor, and Lancer just has a poor showing all around to True Assassin. There isn't a servant around who doesn't have a poor showing in some route, but since this is a modded route they could easily fix that much.
Sakura is my favorite heroine too, but fuck, this post is just wrong on every level.
Considering Ilya's attachment to Shirou, Caster might even have a decent chance of using rule breaker on Berserker.
No one knows. I'm actually pissed. What happens to Rin, damn it!!
Enough with these pointless discussions. PV when?
Lancer doesn't have a good showing in any of the routes...
All you're doing is justifying Saber getting a shit fate in HF (if poorly). What I'm saying is that it still couldn't work in what is being sold as a follow up to F/Z, especially one the PVs for which are selling as a redemption story for Saber.
You mean this pointless folly?
Yeah, that's why he had Ataraxia I guess. Still I haven't actually played that one, but if his former master is one of the MCs then he probably plays a decent role.
He, Rider and Caster all get their backstories properly explored.
You're just a shitty Saberfag. Go fuck off and watch the DEEN adaption if you want Saber to get a happy ending.
He's dead with Assassin since his ideals would prevent him using him properly.
Shirou with Lancer is average. Problem will be team Illya and team Caster
Shirou with Rider same problem with Lancer
Shirou with Archer Herc might become AlexxWaver 2.0
Hard time with Caster, ideals clash, might be deadly pair if Caster unlocks his potential.
Shirou is a hard character to like in the first place cause he's so bland and archetype shounen hero, but there is a lot of ground for them to add depth, so I'm glad to hear this
Still better than what most dying servants get, but it was her time to be a bit unlucky that time around. After all it's not like other dying servants even get that level of closure or such a great showing even upon death. Still it's not like she actually needs to be blackened for the sake of the plot, so it wouldn't be hard to really replace her part as an altered servant with someone else.
>partnered with Rin & Shirou
>that dialog with Rin before his death
>not a good showing
Looking back at the visual novel, it was pretty weak. Very drawn out. It had some good parts, but most of the time it felt tedious. Why would you make someone go through that?
Oh wait, the point of her being blackened isn't because they needed a Dark Saber for the most part, but they needed to convey the situation as helpless on the heroes end. You can't really call it helpless if the heroes still have the strongest card lying around after all.
Compelling argument anon.
And you're still not addressing the argument that it wouldn't work in the new adaptation. Watch the PV, they're obviously pushing Saber as the main plot line carrying over from F/Z. You can't close that the way HF does.
They're using Saber for advertising purposes. She is the figurehead of the Fate series. They have never stated Saber's story is the main focus, so stop acting like it is.
>bury the figurehead of the Fate series
>Sakurafags think they'll actually do this in the anime
Besides, what they have stated is a major character trait of Shirou being girls-don't-fight. Now what route was that most prevalent in again..?
>another Fate thread
>another thread in which the only thing HFags can grasp is straws
Fate and HF. So that rules out UBWs.
Sure, for the quarter of the route Saber's around for.
They're also advertising it as the story of the next generation children, anon. Tell me, what route does that properly? Definitely not Fate. I'm not even a Sakurafag; I actually prefer her the least of the three girls. Fate is just that shit of a route.
They are just using that as an example showing how Shirou can be annoying. They want portray him so the viewers can understand him better. This doesn't mean Fate is the route they are doing.
I think we can at least all agree that Cu Chulainn is the best Lancer, right?
I wouldn't have minded a route where Shirou teams up permanently with Lancer. That would have been great. It's settled then, the new anime follows the Lancer route. Who cares about those women and children?
Anyone have that translation the one anon did for one of the scans?
Enkidu could be better here
A solid and established character trumps a mere possibility.
Enkidu never used a spear. Just axes and fist.
Nope. Karna might be a better choice for Lancer.
>They're also advertising it as the story of the next generation children, anon. Tell me, what route does that properly? Definitely not Fate
You really can't take ufotable's engrish to mean too much. Besides, I took that line to mean the next generation of masters and servants, so really any of the routes fit there, which is what they were probably trying to convey.
Karna is Launcher.
He was given solid backstory and character in CCC as written by Nasu, and he didn't use fists but rather transformed his clay body to become all weapons in creation.
That's still way less than what Lancer has.
That's kind of similar to what Shirou does
Maybe that's why he hates Shirou so much. God, he's SUCH a fucking faker.
Opinion is too subjective.
For example, Sakura is the worst in my eyes cause I can't stand her mannerisms, voice, and overall look, whereas Rin, in Fate and HF seems realistic, smart, not overdramatic, less tsundere, and overall a more likeable interesting character.
But it's like your opinion, man.
Someone explain that last part, cause I was confused as to where Archer came from at the end.
Did he come out of the Grail? Did he just survive with 0% magical energy for like 6 days?
Archer can survive for two days without a master, and that's exactly how many days were left as the end of the grail war was the last hours of the final day.
He survived in spirit form while licking his wounds as much as he could while waiting to use the last of his prana.
Also noted by Nasu that the final attack he used against Gilgamesh was just a plain metal arrow, which symbolized that he really had reached his limit there in terms of mana.
On a completely different note, any news on Remiyax v5?
What remixes could they add? All I can think if is emiya 2012
She's beautiful ;_;
lol didn't notice, thanks anons
There's Prisma Illya's EMIYA as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRdixLq38o
The one upside I can think of to a HF ending is a new remix of Mighty Wind.
is the PV out yet?
I don't even care what route it is, I just want an adaptation of Fate/stay night that isn't complete shit. Seriously, three adaptations, all of them are shit. How does that even work?
Can anyone help me? I'm trying to extract all of the F/SN CGs, backgrounds, characters, etc. The characters are fucked. The BMPs of the characters, when extracted, all have this strange aura around them. I don't know what the deal is.
If there is already a pack with all of the character sprites in them I'd appreciate it, or at least some instructions on how to extract the data properly.
Fate/stay night anime series
Fate/stay night manga
Unlimited Blade Works movie
He's right about Gil's death. It was powerfully funny. Fuck Gil. Worst, most overrated character in the entire franchise.
#Legacy as well, I don't think that was in v4. Battle Moon Wars version was never in, although it might not fit well with the other remixes. Anyway, v5 would be amazing.
Manga wasn't great but I wouldn't put on their level.
Saber and Rin had manfaces.
Well, there's this
It was a ridiculous cock-tease going half-way into UBW and then veering off the road back into the safety of Fate route.
I want to have sex with Saber in her raincoat.
Wouldn't Gil think Shirou as the best thing since sliced bread if he wasn't a faker, though?
Since Gil seems to likes people with conviction.
He warms up to people like that pretty well as we see in CCC, but he also doesn't like people that touch his things without permission. Also becoming an incarnated human again did make him a bit more excitable which leads to him acting more reckless.
Also Nasu puts it:
>A cold-blooded tyrant, and a hero who had sought and enjoyed all manners of treasures and pleasures.
>Though capricious and temperamental, he does not (generally) kill someone simply because he is in a foul temper.
>When he kills a person, it is either because that someone’s soul is abominable, or because that person has become an enemy of his.
>King and sentencer who weighs both good and evil equally.
>To him, a life is only “that which will die this moment” or “that which will one day die.”
>A being who is recognized by Gilgamesh as “a life that must die this moment” will be slain, even if a sage.
So as long as Shirou is his enemy in trying to get Saber he will be cut down.
Being liked by Gil isn't necessarily a good thing. He liked Rider and decided to express that by killing him with his own hand.
I liked this interaction between Gil and Shirou: