I started reading Berserk today and I'm going on volume four but I'm kind of confused what the appeal is. Gutts seems more grimdark than cool and nothing really exception has happened to draw me in. Does it get more engrossing as I go or is this thing simply not for me?
It gets better as it goes.
Until he gets his JRPG party later one.
I would at least try to marathon through the golden age before dropping it for good.
and drop it the moment they get on a boat, any boat
I'm starting to like the Golden Age arc but the first bit with the fucked up count was really just obnoxious for me. Every time Gutts opened his mouth I cringed
Early 90s were like that.
The first few volume are referred to as the Black Swordsman arc. Miura (the author) hadn't really settled on Guts character yet, he was more preoccupied with showing a bunch of cool scenes to attract readers. It was like a sneak peak so readers would know what kind of things would be in store for them. The Golden Arc proceeds it but chronologically it takes place before. Golden Arc chronicles Gut's life from birth until the fateful day when Griffith betrays him. It's the longest and best self contained Arc in the series. Lost Children and Tower of Convicton are also great but right after them is when Fans generally agree Miura lost his touch.
you should watch the anime first
The first arc was to draw in the reader into the world of Berserk. I give you that Guts seemed really bland then. But he is a really great character for the rest of the manga. I bet no one hwo read Berserk ever felt more rage reading a manga than during and after the eclipse
Even bad Berserk is still worth reading but if there's a point ANYONE should stop reading if forced to it'd be the fight between Guts and Zod on the hill of swords where griffith leaves grasping his heart. That was the last highpoint of the series.
I guess that'd be okay but the original anime isn't a replacement for the manga. It leaves out a tone of scenes and dialogue. The voice acting is great tho because the dub studio hired a bunch of local theater actors. The bloopers are fucking hilarious.
Have you read the Lost Children min arc yet? It's one of the best ones.
Don't read the manga, just watch all the old anime's episodes starting from episode 2.
Some people hate the anime for ending at that point, but personally i think it has exactly right where it should before the story turns rather average.
Although the old style might be off-putting after a while the story and the great soundtrack will pull you in.
To this date, the love scene in this anime is still the only one ever to make me shed a tear.
>The voice acting is great
Indeed, Casca's original voices over that from the movies. Giving her a girlish one seems much mor appropriate....
I read Berserk a shit load of time ago. Are there decent scans/translations of the first chapters now?
I read it for the art especially during fight scenes. If you aren't enjoying it then you might as well drop it considering the manga isn't going anywhere soon
Golden Arc > Tower of Conviction arc > Lost Children arc > Chapters right after ToC arc > Black Swordsman Arc > Boat arc
the movies that came out recently had terrible voice acting barring Griffith
I guess I'm the only one who liked the edgy first three volumes.
I don't think anyone hates them, but considering all the hype Berserk gets it isn't surprising some people are let down with the impression that the series is actually generic.
I liked them too, but Guts' sadface was so much out of place, it ruined the mood
OP you need to change scans you reading.
Why isnt there an anime adaptation where the story picks up from the eclipse and started back at the Blackswordsman arc?
I loved them.
The first time I read Berserk, which was when I was still young, I felt a sense of weirdness like what Puck showed when he didn't know what he was feeling. It was a weird feeling.
Looking at it now that I've matured, it feels different but the fear and horror is still mildly present.
The first three volumes of Berserk are fucking horrible
Fortunately, grimdark edgy black swordsman guts disappears forever after that
because miura hasn't finished writing the manga
you really want Berserk to get the SnK treatment?
At least he isn't reading Gattsu
>Fans generally agree Miura lost his touch.
If by "fans" you mean all the 13-year olds and manchildren who were in it for the gore and rape, then yes
Family-man Guts>muh revenge Guts
>what Puck showed when he didn't know what he was feeling. It was a weird feeling.
It was lust
Puck was so delicious then, always showing off that booty and femboy curves.
Now he's just a chibi turnip.
What exactly do you mean, and which point was that?
>the gore and rape
I dropped the manga because of that at first, I picked it back years later when I read that it got better in that aspect.
Schierke and the Berserk Armor ruined the series. It's literally DBZ powerlevels now and no one can touch Guts. He's no longer surviving on his own strengths which was a theme that drew in a lot of readers. Guts was "The Struggler" but now he's a Dragon Quest hero.
Black Swordsman armor Guts is best Guts.
Schierke converted the series into high fantasy with her five page long explanations on magic and shit. Berserk started as low fantasy with only a few wierd things prowling the world that didn't impact the lives of regular folk. Even though apostles existed they were limited to what they could do with their bodies, so they were smart beasts and nothing more. The god hand were more concept that actual beings. Now it's high fantasy garbage with fucking unicorns and mermaid magic and shit. It fucking blows.
>Guts was "The Struggler" but now he's a Dragon Quest hero.
When the world goes from low fantasy to high fantasy, you gotta keep up.
It makes you wonder why the fuck Isidoro exists when Puck already fills the comic relief quota.
The Godhand told Griffith that the tear he shed for the men he betrayed was going to be his last and that his heart is now frozen, but here we see him crying again, does this mean he is going to redeem himself somehow in the end?
Pretty much this. Berserk for me was always about one man somehow killing huge monsters without any magic or super powers or any of that shit, just brute strength and ingenuity.
am i being rused
>Berserk started as low fantasy with only a few wierd things prowling the world that didn't impact the lives of regular folk.
That change seems intentional, since the world they live in has merged with the others.
Berserk Armor was good, well it was before he turned into the god damn Batman.
He was supposed to be unfeeling but his resurection was botched because the egg appostle that served as the catalyst and his new body in the physical realm picked up Guts demon baby because it felt an affinity for it. The only thing keeping Griffith from outright Killing Guts with his god powers is the love of the child for its parents.
Where in the story did the Godhand tell him that, and in which translation? I'm curious, because in the one I read it seemed to imply he's the same old Griffith, just with uncanny power and charisma now.
>everyone throwing merciless spoilers
That's Guts in that picture
I don't wanna sound rude, but I think you need to reread some of those chapters a little more carefully. Griffith currently has zero motive to kill Guts, and even Griffith doesn't know if the baby's body is the reason his heart still pounds when he looks at Guts. He just said that to reassure himself.
Berserk armor was only good for the first fight against the crystal dragon (Grunbeld?). it was awesome seeing Guts get the upper hand and fighting like a mindless beast but the novelty quickly wore off when you realized he wasn't fighting with his own strength anymore.
Yeah, I recognized the picture but I thought maybe he was talking about some dialogue I don't remember seeing.
Am I the only person who enjoyed the entirety of the manga? And the switch from low to high fantasy didn't seem to be an asspull. It was hinted at as far back as the Tower of Conviction arc.
That's how his name it katakana is spelled.
>He's no longer surviving on his own strengths which was a theme that drew in a lot of readers.
Even though I still like Berserk a lot and it's probably my favourite manga, gotta admit you have a huge point here, anon.
Spelling ≠ Writing
Did Muira ever go back to resolve that conflict between Guts and the wolf?
You're not the only one, they were awesome. Also a significant point in Guts' journey. It also fit the dark demonic fantasy set in an era of brutal war during the middle ages well.
>Schierke and the Berserk Armor ruined the series.
More like you don't really understand the purpose behind their introduction. The series was never ruined, it never dipped in quality like people claim. The people that say that had just been reading it for early Guts then, and missed the fact that it's supposed to be a tragedy / epic with evolving characters.
Not to mention neither of those or the other fantasy elements interrupted the overarching theme and symbolism of the story. It was explained that entities like elves, trolls and other things are fragments of mankind's early subconscious and those that are heavily attached to the physical realm are unable to see them. Everything in the Interstice realm is basically this. And magic = magick, another thing Miura drew from the occult.
>promoting the anime over the manga
The manga is superior, all other formats are for people who are already fans of the original story (the manga).
The demon baby is the reason he saved Caska from a rockslide when Guts was battling Zodd. Griffith would have zero motive for doing that either if it weren't for the baby inside him. It isn't illogical to assume the baby would prevent him from killing Guts.
If you wanna quickly re-read the fight where all this happens it's the start of volume 22.
>He's no longer surviving on his own strengths
He's still pretty strong for surviving the constant punishment to his body every time he uses the armor.
Besides if it weren't for this power boost the story would go nowhere.
Guts does pretty well against "regular" apostles but we saw that he wouldn't stand a chance against Zodd or any of the other higher ups, let alone Griffith.
I have to admit that Black Swordsman arcs were a bit better than what we have now, but I think some of that can be attributed to the fact that I read through them in a single sitting and didn't have to wait months for a new chapter like the current arcs.
has Akira Ishida ever voiced a sidekick/bro antagonist who didn't die a horrible death?
I'm looking at it right now, but I think you're leaping to conclusions. Griffith doesn't have any reason to let Casca die, or any reason to kill Guts. His goals are totally independent from theirs at this point in the story, and considering he's as powerful as he is it's really no skin off his nose to simply save Casca. The baby thing is just speculation on Griffith's part, there's nothing concrete to suggest that that's definitely the case.
>two thousand fucking fourteen
>there's still no good rule 34 of Puck
>but we saw that he wouldn't stand a chance against Zodd or any of the other higher ups
He was wrecking Zodd in the hill of swords fight. Zodd had to go into apostle form because he couldn't match Guts otherwise.
Why didn't Asuka's seiyu voice Casca in the movies? I heard they removed her because of a scandal or something, anybody know what happened?
Fuck the Berserk movies so hard, how did they mess them up so badly? It's hilarious how no one even gives a shit about them anymore.
they replaced all the voices
And if the fight were to continue, Zodd would've won.
Too bad they didn't have ten hand-drawn years.
>Griffith doesn't have any reason to let Casca die
He doesn't have any reason for saving her either. He's a god and people are ants to him. He went out of his way to save an ant. Either it was an attatchment to his past that spurred that action or the demon baby pulling the strings. It can't be anything else. Assumption is good, it's why Miura bothers with foreshadowing events. Guts is still fucking carrying a Behelit and you never wonder why? After the encounter with Guts Griffith grasps his heart and imagines the demon baby.
they are full of horrible CGI, shat all over the source material and the only VA who did a good job was Griffith's
just thinking about them makes me angry
No, it's still eating Guts up.
Nope. Guts would have sliced his goddam arms off.
I like them for what they are.
Despite a thin plot and misplaced CG, they had some good art direction and action scenes.
>making/participating in a thread about material you haven't experienced yourself yet
You should have known.
More like eating Caska up
>He's a god and people are ants to him. He went out of his way to save an ant.
But nothing about his characterization shows that. Even if he can't relate to normal people anymore, he's proven to be affectionate towards them. Things don't have to be so black and white. So what if he didn't have anything to gain by saving Casca there? I'd have still done it in his shoes, most people probably would. It's natural to help somebody in need, even if they're a stranger, and he had a history with Casca.
>oh shit, he's gonna slice my goddamn arms off, better flip him with my horn
>fuck, fuck, it was ineffective and now he's rolling out of it and now he's right next to Griffith
>Fuck, I'm so stupid.
>Guts will never become the Beast apostle
Bitch please, if it weren't for Griff Griff, Guts would be dead by now.
Never thought I'd get nostalgic for rape horse.
Someone can't read the subtext. Griffith knew Zodd was fronting trying to look hard and was calling him back before Guts wrecked him.
>My BFFs are fighting, I don't know what to do, this is so embarrassing, let's just leave
More like Griffith was content in knowing he had no feelings towards Guts anymore, decided to stop wasting time and go about his business.
So Demon Baby confirmed for manipulating Griffith's actions?
>implying he wasn't fighting the urge to hug guts the entire time.
That image shows that he still cares for Casca, if only slightly.
I don't think so. Nobody said that except Griffith himself, and he may have only been saying that to rationalize his sudden surge of feelings. At this point, believing in that is unfounded speculation. We'll just have to wait for the manga to expand upon it if it's to be believed.
>We'll just have to wait for the manga to expand upon it if it's to be believed.
Guess we'll never find out at this rate.
Anyone have the link for the mediafire folder with the HQ scans? Can't find it in the archive.
>implying the Demon baby doesn't love its daddy guts too.
Also the black haired kid is either the demon baby astral projecting itself with Griffiths powers in the form it'd have if it weren't corrupted or Griffith himself getting all the hugs he wants.
Or its the Elf King observing Guts and Crew like Schierke was speculating.
>At this point, believing in that is unfounded speculation
It's not unfounded though. Unfounded is saying that Caska is a lesbian.
I guess that works too. But you'd think one of the two fairies accompanying Guts or Schierkes power level sensing would have outed him by now.
It is unfounded. The evidence we have isn't sufficient to form a belief going one way or the other. The only evidence we have is that one character speculated that it may be true, in a situation where that character would want it to be true. It's not valid just because it might make sense. Lots of things that aren't going to happen might make sense. We just have to wait for more evidence.
>that part where Griffith regretted not giving up his silly dream and just settling down with Casca
I'll wait to get proven right, then. Just take it as a cold hard lesson that a little whimsy goes a long way, mr robot.
Why is Caska's kid white and not a spic?
Griffith's whiteness overcame her brown genes.
Why am and my parents white skinned while my brother and grandfather are dark? The answer: recessive genes.
You won't be right. You may be factually correct in the end, that's true, but whether or not you're justified in your belief only depends on the evidence you have right now at the moment you're forming the belief. If you flip a coin and say 'if it's heads it'll rain tomorrow', and then it lands heads and rains the next day, you will not have been right. You'll have been lucky. If you don't get what I'm saying then I suggest reading 'The Ethics of Belief' by W.K. Clifford.
> showing a bunch of cool scenes to attract readers
This is actually pretty hilarious taking into account his stament that Berserk was not really that popular until Golden Age Arc started rolling.
> preferring traditional high fantasy to "realistic medieval" political intrigue and dark fantasy
Well, everyone to their own, I guess.
>whether or not you're justified in your belief only depends on the evidence you have right now at the moment you're forming the belief
We have enough evidence, you're the one that just won't be satisfied unless Miura himself appears inside the manga and spells it out for you. You'd probably stick your hand in a fire before calling it hot, wouldn't you?
You don't have enough evidence. I'm not sure what about that is hard to grasp. One character saying 'Oh I bet that baby is the reason I feel this way' isn't definitive. It's a possibility, but not certain. You are not justified in believing it as the only possible outcome.
Griffith wanted a kingdom for himself before the baby was even in the picture. What action has he taken since that scene that Griffith wouldn't have willingly done anyway?
You know, a little whimsy goes a long way but I guess you Vulcan types wouldn't understand.
You've said that twice now and it doesn't make your viewpoint any stronger. I'm sorry if I made you feel backed into a corner, but you need to understand that your interpretation of the story isn't the only one. You have no cause to think that a story that hasn't even been finished yet will have one definite outcome that accords with your personal wishes. Just keep an open mind and try not to act like yours is the only proper theory.
>Just keep an open mind and try not to act like yours is the only proper theory.
That's a bit hypocritical considering you've spent the whole thread stiffing speculation by demanding facts. Also it sounds like you don't even have a theory and are just waiting for the conclusion.
It's not hypocritical because I never proposed a theory, as you said. I've only told you that your theory doesn't have enough evidence, which it does not. Demanding reasons for speculation isn't stifling, it's something that fans the flames. Theories with meager backing aren't really worth discussing.
Reading what I believe to be the golden arc for the first time, holy shit it's amazing.
>I've only told you that your theory doesn't have enough evidence
That's entirely subjective, you tard.
>evidence is subjective
Have you considered a career in law?
I really enjoy everything Miura did so far with Berserk. Not sure about the future, but I guess he's preparing another eclipse-like event to happen soon with Guts' rpg party.
About the Berserk Armor being an issue, it's actually not. Skull Knight is there since the start giving hints that Guts is taking the same path he did, with the armor being the final evidence of what is going to be of Guts in the future.
Whether or not evidence is valid or sufficient is not subjective. Critical thinking, philosophy, the scientific method, and most courts all use the same measures to determine truth because they're intrinsic. Whether or not a belief is valid is entirely objective.
>the only type of evidence is direct evidence
>but I guess he's preparing another eclipse-like event to happen soon with Guts' rpg party.
Not after playing all that Idol M@ster.