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Why is she so soft?
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Because cats are fluffy
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Where do you think all the energy she sucks goes to?
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>>101149816
>Why is she such a slut?
fixed
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>>101149899
It becomes fat. Or goes to her boobs.
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Worst girl.
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>>101149980
Give this man a cookie
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http://exhentai.org/g/404201/a430b267dd/
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>>101149999
Snake is worse. At least Hanekawa redeemed herself in Second Season. She is still shit though.
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>>101149918
y is ur mum such a slut, nerd.
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Am I the only one who really likes her two-color hair?

Cat best girl.
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Best girl
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>>101150104
she's a massive monogatari fan and trying to emulate her favourite character, Tsubasa
>I dion't know all the dicks in the world, just the ones I know
- Cat, mid-ahegao
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>>101150162
>Cat best girl
WOW WOW WOW WOW! Take it easy now.
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>>101149846
>Cat thread
>first reply
My day just got a lot better, thanks.
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>>101150162
I fucking hope so. It looks fucking retarded
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>>101150227
>just the ones I know
But she knows every dick in the world, so she's contradicting herself.
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>>101150227
wat
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>>101150303
She JUST told you she doesn't knoe everything what more do you want JEEZ
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because in a couple years she'll start going Ara Ara and become amazing Christmas cake. She already has the body for it.
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So many faggots in this thread. Cat is great. She's not my favorite, but she's still great. All Monogataris are except Snake, who is merely okay.
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>>101150431
It's not our fault you have low standards.
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>>101150431
This man understand and has great taste.
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>>101149980
>It becomes fat.
Dude, if Hanekawa was chubby she'd be HaneCOWa.
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>>101150391
Yeah, but she knows every cock in existence, so she's a liar.
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>>101150227
Shit nigger that made me laugh hard. Still, fuck you.
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>>101150410
Don't make me hurt you
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>>101150569
She already is with those cow tits.
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>>101150595
Don't kid yourself anon. You know for a fact she has child bearing hips and a huge rack. She is well on her way to being some christmas cake.
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>>101150410
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
Hoping for doujinshi where she molests Araragi's kids. Even though I don't even read Monogatari doujinshi.
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>>101150410
>>101150595
>>101150664
She won't give up on Araragi, so she's pretty much doomed to become to become a christmas cake.
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>>101150664
More like MILF. No way she is going unmarried.
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>>101150586
What if she doesn't know all the dicks in existence?
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>>101150768
Buuuut she does.
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>>101150729
>naked apron
It keeps getting better.
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>>101150712
>where she molests Araragi's kids
I like where this train of thought is going.
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>>101150712
Man, that one Cat doujin by Homunculus is one I always comeback to. Delicious Cat tits in glorious Homunculus art. Thge ending's pretty funny too.
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Would you hug a hanekawa?
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Daily reminder that your big breasted classmate wont ever— ever— save your life and give you her pantsu.
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>implying crab won't get perverted enough to share and get off on watching her master's lewd face as she indulges in orgasms while being bounced on Araragi's dick
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>>101151031
>caring about 3DPD breasts
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Ooooh, a civil cat thread.
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>>101151142
>implying I'm 3PDP
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>>101149918
Why? She only wants Butaragi's dick.
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Why is she so purrfect?
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Hanekawa with braids look like a boring bookish girl.

Hanekawa with short hair >>101150712 is 10/10 sex goddess. Thank based Nisio for charatcer development.
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>>101149816
because she's a pussy.
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How ticklish do you think Hanekawa is?
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>>101151373
To /a/, anyone who isn't their waifu are sluts.
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>>101150303
S-she knows mine too?
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>>101150664
the only fate she deserves
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>>101151466
Especially yours, man. No one will ever forget how tiny it is.
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>>101151441
Very. VERY.
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>>101151029
It's my fucking dream.
>you will never be persuaded out of suicide by Hanekawa
I can only live so long.
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>>101151567
All you gotta do is learn to dream lucidly, faglord.
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>>101151905
Then you end up constantly having sleep paralysis and go insane.
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>>101151905
But a dream won't convince me from suicide, but I'll keep trying. It's my ultimate goal, to experience a SHAFT production.
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>>101152068
there are ways to lucid dream without forcing it through sleep paralysis

and stop being a pussy, sleep paralysis is temporary and harmless. It's an irrational fear that it might stay like this forever like you're buried alive.

again, don't be a pussy and freak out if you end up triggering sleep paralysis when you go back to sleep in the morning, that's a perfect chance for lucid dream. Though it should be possible to trigger a lucid dream without sleep paralysis this way to (the thing about going back to sleep); sort of a smooth transition from daydreaming to lucid dreaming.

When you feel like your daydreams are flowing "on their own" you're on the right track.

there's also just the complete luck where you realize you're in a dream by recognizing dream cues (which you can train for, or it's just spontaneous).
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>>101152285
Well to be fair, if you believe in an after life then in most cases killing yourself is a bad way to get to the "good place" since a lot of religions don't condone it. Second even if you are non religious you were given a life and its best to not squander it. Third, the longer you stay alive the more shaft you can experience.
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>>101150431
Why does it seem like there's less snake lovers after Otori?
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>>101153723
>Third, the longer you stay alive the more shaft you can experience.
I actually hope to live like Araragi at one point, that's why I still live.
Self killing is a passive thought, I would never go ahead with it.
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>>101153887
>I actually hope to live like Araragi at one point, that's why I still live.
Dude go full kaiki and be a badass sleezebag thats actually a decent person. Its totally achievable with some effort and you'd be a total badass.
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>>101149816
She's been tenderized by her step father?
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>>101154064
Fuck you.
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I'd make many kittens with her.
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>>101154064
hahahaha domestic abuse is funny
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Wake up see this, what do?
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>>101154406
Ejaculate immediately
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>>101154406
Thank based God.

>>101154300
>that shirt
God I fucking hate those kind of shirts. It's fucking infuriating, it's just, bad.
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>>101150983
You do know what happens when you scratch a cat's butt, right?

http://youtu.be/X4Z3WYKeI1Y?t=7s
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Because
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>>101154300
I want to lick her ass crack
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>>101154824
Based.
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>>101154824
it doesn't work like that
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>>101155348
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>>101157699
I'll humor you.
Fuck off Hitagi.
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>>101153752
Nah, we're here, but personally I'm too tired answering "Snake is shit" comments. Also Nadeko threads became more rare, so nowhere to circlejerk.
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>>101158722
What happened to that gif?
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>>101158830
It has Nadeko in it.
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>>101158830
Yeah, sorry, don't know why I saved it.
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>>101158722
I personally like Nadeko a lot more after her bit. She's pretty much just a typical, messed up girl with a quirky hobby. The snake hair is also kind of cute. I'd love to go spend time at her shrine playing with her. I'd give her a DS as an offering and then we'd play animal crossing together or something.
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>>101158722
I I really disliked Snakefag threads, but honestly I was caught up in the hate on her because it was funny.

She became a lot more likeable near the end of Koi, when they started showing hints of her actual depth as a character, and then at the end when they revealed she had actual dreams and wasn't just a shallow psycho-bitch.
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>>101159291
Snake threads were ok, when Shinobufags weren't crashing them with their assumptions. And now that people actually like her, she won't appear anymore, the irony. At least I still have the manga to look forward to.
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>>101153752
They're still here. I'm the guy whose post you quoted and while Snake is my least favorite I still like her. She just struck me as the least interesting.
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>>101159019
>>101159165
>>101159234
>>101159287
More Cat pls
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>>101159595
She has the best OP (besides Kaiki)
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>>101159747
Wrong.
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>>101159861
.... Let's just say all the gatari OPs are great then
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>>101159861
>>101159747
Both wrong. Chiwa's the only one who could actually sing.
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>>101159861
Wrong.
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>>101159523
>no hairsnakes

0/10, see me after class
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>>101150643
>Hanekawa has cow tits.
No, she cas cat tats.
These are lost cow tits.
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>>101160075
I want a whole series about her. Fuck, why is life so meaningless?
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>>101159861
Radium Clubnight was a shit OP and Tsukihi is the worst girl
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>>101160135
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>>101160135
If you're going that route for bait, remember to call her 'Skeehee'.
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>>101160075
>cat tats
>not kittytits
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>>101160013
>>101159861
just listen to both at the same time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwhjqdSPw5g
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>>101160075
Hope Nadeko won't get cowtits when she grows up.
>>101160466
That's not zenbu.
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>>101159968
I'm okay with this.
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>>101160463
I got it wrong. The proper term is 'big fat cat tats'. I got distracted trying to dig that picture up.
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>>101160579
I'm pretty sure being turned into a diety stunts your growth. Maybe hope she starts drinking and smoking too, that'll help keep her small.
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>>101160839
She got a pretty good start on the drinking, although she's not a deity anymore.
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>>101160695
I will continue to call them kitty titties and no one can stop me.
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>>101153723
I believe in the afterlife from Alice in Sexland.
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>>101154406
>"Today we start your training regiment."
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>>101161030
The courage to use a retarded name.
The name is fine, I just wanted to make this joke.
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>>101159747
>>101159861
>>101160011
>>101160013
You're all wrong. Happy Bite was the best Monogatari opening. Honorable mentions goes to Kaiki arc in second season, but Happy Bite is just incredible, both visually and music-wise.
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>>101160839
But now she's a normal human. I don't think she will smoke or drink, just because Japanese are pretty strict with it.
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>>101149816
Because God thinks we are deserving
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>>101161056
I like your style, anon.
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>>101161289
Nope. Platinum Disco continues to reign supreme.
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>>101161334
I thought it was illegal to display minors drinking in Japanese media. It doesn't count this time because she's a god?
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>>101161334
But she already drank before becoming a god.
>I've never had sake. My dad only buys beer.
I bet she'll keep stealing her parents' booze.
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>>101161249
Why is Snail so flubbed?
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>>101150714
I thought she already gave up on him? It took a while but I believe she's over him.
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>>101161406
I'll agree that Platinum Disco is high amongst the already great monogatari openings, but seriously. Happy bite is incredibly well done.

Plus it has second best loli
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What does a hanekawa smell like?
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>>101161434
She cultivated that image so that she could bite Araragi's tongue. inb4 >commie
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Cat is only good because she's canon barefoot
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>>101161410
Yep, she's a God so doesn't count.
>>101161418
Assuming how she lives with her parents they live in parallel universes and don't really interact a lot. Also she will probably keep up the good girl image so stealing is unlikely to happen.
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>>101161438
Huh. I got the impression that she would always be ready to take him in if he ever felt like it. She might've moved on as well, though. She's a dirty skank after all.
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>>101161438
She never "gave up" on him, she just accepted that he's currently dating someone else.

I thought it was implied that the second this ever stopped being true, she would gladly fuck him in a heartbeat.

Then again we already know in her future she becomes a war medic overseas.
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>>101161501
It is very good, just not better than Plaitnum Disco.
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Is anyone actually working on the Monogatari S2 BDs? I've been waiting to watch them.

Also, upon rewatching Bake and Neko (kuro), which is the actual depiction of the events of Kuro? They seem quite different even though Bake's depiction is just a brief moment.
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Why are you talking about cat when you can talk about vastly superior vamp?
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>>101161553
But she has already managed to steal booze and keep her good girl image at the same time. Nadeko's image relies on her being cute, not her behaving well.
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>>101161289
This. Happy bite always make me feel so...
Strangely happy and pedo at the same time.
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>>101161639
How about this. We both agree that both openings are incredibly good. The last few points are up to personal opinion.
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>>101161501
Thanks for reminding me that Happy Bite existed. I looked it up and found out that the full version is out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dp3eLJ_qtU
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>>101161753
No.
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I just want to hug her in a non-sexual way.
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>>101161796
>platinum mad
More like Platinum BAD!
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>>101161702
I killed the last thread I was in with a thousand word essay and decided I need to stop circle jerking.
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>>101161845
I'd like it so I can copy paste it whenever heretics start shitting on best monogatari.
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>>101161701
Fair point, but about the booze, is it in the novels?
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>>101161936
It's very heavily implied in the anime. Here's her quote again:
>I've never had sake. My dad only buys beer.
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>>101161671
The flashback in Bake was anime original.
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>>101161770
Hachikuji ;_;
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>best girl was in season 2 for about 30 seconds

hana when?
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>>101162277
I hope this year.
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>>101161898
It'll take some modification to be used as something general purpose. Plus, it needs 3 or 4 posts because of the character limit. But if you still want it:
http://pastebin.com/gaCrMAPm
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>>101162277
>man arms
Disgusting. Also hairy dyke.
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>>101162277

It's been delayed until 2023.
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>>101162340
Awesome. Thanks a bunch.

Anyways. Has Crab ever met Shinobu? Does she know about Araragi and Shinobu's relationship? Do we know what she thinks about it, if so? It's been a while since I watched it, so I can't remember.
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Thank you based God.

>>101161671
>Is anyone actually working on the Monogatari S2 BDs?
Commie already released the Neko White BDs in 720p and 1080.
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>>101162277
Apparently has a decent role in the second Owari novel too.

But shaft hate her guts. They cut her best parts from Bake. (Date with Araragi)
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>>101151047
This. I bet with all the trauma Crab has, she is into NTR.
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>>101162397
>disgusting

>>101162494
2023? so is kizu getting bumped to 2067?
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>>101162544
MFW WHAT. THEY GO ON A DATE? In the novel?
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>>101162635
Disgusting.
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>>101162511
I doubt she cares since Shinobu keeps to herself.
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>>101162511
She's only seen her at the beginning of Bake if I remember correctly. Araragi calls Shinobu his treasure so she knows that she's precious to him.

Actually thinking of that, in ep 12 of Bake, doesn't Araragi say that he wants to show Hitagi his treasure after she's shown him hers? What if that was Shinobu? I wonder how that would have played out.
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>>101162689
No. In the movie.
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>>101162397
Why are you so homosexual, anon?
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>>101162753
In Kizu? Guess it's time I read it then.
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>>101162769
Because I like weiners in my poophole. Now scoot.
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>>101162812
Don't do that. It's in the novels, but definitely not Kizu. Can't help you any more than that.
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>>101162689
Translation here
http://pastebin.com/KhY8HU21
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>>101162872
>implying she's better than Karen
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>>101162909
>Don't read Kizu.
Well, Araragi doesn't go on a date with monkey in Kizu but read Kizu anyways.
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>>101162991
Yeah. I might've come across a bit wrong. Read Kizu. But not for the date. Because that isn't in Kizu.
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>>101149816
Why do the women in this series randomly pose during conversations?
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>>101163086
>what is SHAFT
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>>101163086
So you can look at their tits from different angles, because plebs who can't appreciate good dialogue are still customers.
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>>101163334
>because plebs who can't appreciate good dialogue are still customers.
This, Shinbo's MO in a nutshell, and if it works it don't need fixing.

>>101163086
For the same reason there's so many posing men in JoJo.
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>>101162921
>Kanbaru's breasts pressed precisely against my elbow, and a feeling like mashed potatoes made itself known at that sensitive area.
Dat translation.
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>>101162921
THank you based anon.
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>>101162872
HNNNNNNNG
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>>101162635
not its getting bumped to 3030
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Anyone know if a group is working to translate the LN, or has the effort died out?
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>>101165750
Baka-Tsuki has some people working on it, but I haven't seen any progress recently.
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>>101165750
All dead, even Zebra-kun.
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>>101161501
Which one is happy bite?
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>>101165750
I see none, not even that guy who was going to translate Ougi Formula. Fuck this shit, I'm genuinely mad.
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>>101149816
Because she's crazy.
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>>101165861
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>>101165850
Damn, that's what I had last heard too. Hoping I was misinformed about it.
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>>101165949
Hanekawa is like the least crazy person in the show though.
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>>101161575
If Senjougahara was cool with Hanekawa doing it, she would fuck Araragi in a heartbeat.

Senjougahara is probably cool with it as long as she gets to watch/Araragi finishes inside her.
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>>101150162
No, I love it too. It's kickass.
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>>101166041
She became pretty much sane after the tiger stuff.
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>>101165750
>Js06 pick up Monogatari
>drops it after 4 chapters
>picks up color wars instead
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>>101150431
Yandere tryhard uguu goddess/angry medusa Snake is pretty good, since that's who she truly is.

Non-goddess Snake is kinda bland.
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>>101166063
Senjougahara said she doesn't mind if Shuraragi fucks other girls, only that he doesn't fall in love with them.
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>>101166106
>While only 3 Monogatari novels are translated, all 31 Index novels are.
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>>101166198
>Trusting any girl who says something like that.
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>>101166041
Up until Tsubasa Tiger, that's probably Hachikuji. After Tsubasa Tiger/Shinobu Time, yeah.

>tfw the only sane women in your life are lolis and a girl you can't get with

>>101166383
Senjougahara wants to fuck Hanekawa too, so it'd be cool.
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Otorimonogatari OP full song when? Seriously I'm dying here
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>>101166383
>Trusting any girl who says something like that.
Guy, it's Senjougahara. She would become a prostitute for Aririgi, so I think it's pretty safe to say she wouldn't lie.

Besides, she did say the punishment for falling in love would be double homicide.
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>>101154406
Cuddle
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>>101166530
>Taking things Senjougahara has said at face value.
>Forgetting all the times she has flat out lied to Araragi and later admitted it.
Hitagi lies. A lot.
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>>101165750
>>101165842
>>101165850
>>101165909
>>101166010
We should start a Kickstarter or petition. Show that there's a sizable market for if. I think the series is popular enough that whoever took it on could turn a profit.
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>>101154566
you don't like ruffles?
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>>101166997
>start a Kickstarter
But who's going to translate? It has to be good if I'm paying for it.
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>>101166997
I wish, I fucking wish.
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>>101166997
As much as I'd like that, it's not the sort of entry-level series that would sell. It's too Japanese for its own good.

>>101167072
Ruffles work on girls with small tits, because it makes them look bigger. Ruffles are bad on girls with big tits because it hides the shape.
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>>101166530
>She would become a prostitute for Aririgi,

Remember how she manipulated Karen in Tsubasa Tiger, and how she manipulated Nadeko in Nadeko Medusa ? She manipulated Kaiki as well.
She's now somewhat sane but still daungerous.
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>>101167074
what about 8thsin?
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>>101149899
it makes her futa dick grow

they just haven't shown it yet.
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>>101164394
Oh, but then it continues with:
>"No, Araragi-senpai. The analogy you're looking for is marshmallow."
Nevermind.
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>>101167381
Good enough, fund it.
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>>101167610
And he's a huge monogatari fan. It could be better than an official translation.
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>>101167610
How much do you think it would cost?
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>>101167664
Why haven't we already paid him to do this?
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>>101167727
I have no idea how much a translator charges.
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For the people who don't know 8thsin:

http://8ths(period)in/monogatari-s2-ep3-in-depth-translation-review-daisuki-vs-commie/
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>>101166198
Is she an M or an S in bed?
She gives me some hardcore S vibes like >>101148928.
>>101166424
>Senjougahara wants to fuck Hanekawa too, so it'd be cool.
This REALLY makes them resemble each other even more.
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>>101166997
A kickstarter for a fan translation doesn't really make sense. Why not try and get Nisio to license it or something?
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>>101168228
Judging by how she forces Araragi into a dominant position at the end of Karen Bee, she likes the idea of being submissive, but will probably take a more dominant role.
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>>101168228
She's a switch. One the one hand, she's a self-admitted horny teenage girl who will pretty much take what she can get.

On the other hand, though... Gahara is a serious deviant, or at the very least, she's got a very active imagination.
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>>101168228
>Is she an M or an S in bed?

I trust Yukimi:
http://exhentai.org/g/545682/466fe7ef92/
http://exhentai.org/g/633212/da5fe750d7/
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>>101168557
>>101168557
>>101168490
>>101168410
>>101168228

I like where this thread is going.
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>>101168375
Because selling Monogatari outside of Japan is a very risky business move. You have to have very good translators who can capture all of the novels' themes, puns and pop culture references seamlessly. Plus there is the running loli molestation gag which will probably put a lot of the western market off.
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>>101168557
>http://exhentai.org/g/545682/466fe7ef92/
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>>101168743
Is there any LN that sells well outside Japan?
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>>101168976
The first Haruhi vol., I think.
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>>101168976
I'd guess any that get licensed sell well enough, like Spice & Wolf, Haruhi and SAO.
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>you will never use hanekawa as a "hug pillow"
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>>101168976
According to Wikipedia, more than 3.5 million Spice and Wolf novels have sold worldwide. This makes sense because the series avoids all of the things I mentioned.
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>>101169222
>This makes sense because the series avoids all of the things I mentioned.
I guess you're right, S&W doesn't have any japanese references at all and has no loli.
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>>101169222
Anime aside, isn't holo supposed to look like shes 14? Isn't that pretty much the same as monogatari give or take 1-2 years?
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>>101168976
It depends on the length. So a BakeMonogatari being 2 volumes (by itself and not the rest of the Monogatari series) would possibly require around 6000-8000 units sold depending on who we get to translate. Also those books are kinda longish (each is over 400pgs long) and double pagers (see image) so it’s tough to tell how much the translation fee will be until we have one volume done.

The LotGH series is longer. So we’d have to sell-in more because retention should always be factored in. Thankfully these books are shorter so that helps. Therefore we’d have to sell around 9,500 for volume 1; 7,000 for vols 2 & 3; 5,000 for volumes 4-6; 3,500 for volumes 7-9; and and around 2,000 for volume 10.

If you see what we did there, the first volumes pay for the loses of the final volumes. And by the way light novels sell in the US…those are generous numbers. And that, based on average, would make LotGH one of the better selling translated light novels in history. Kinda scary how small that market is.
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>>101169541
Interesting, thank you.
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>>101169541
Now I think the Monogatari series would be something that could do quite well in English. However, the fact that it is a series and a long on-going series at that makes it very very difficult for us. Ideally, I would like to simply do one arc but I am not sure how the readership would respond to that knowing that there is so much more.

Now, just to clue you in, in case you haven’t seen our previous posts about light novels… There are many factors as to why light novels tend to be a bit of a challenge. The biggest issue is something that can be overcome through more exposure but it is impacted by the rest of these factors - lack of readership. By far the best selling light novels have not come close to the numbers of the best selling manga out there (actually few light novels do as well as most mid-level manga). So with that in mind, since light novels and novels in general cost around 10 to 40-times as much as a manga (depending on length) to translate and sales are usually 10 times less than most manga, they are not cost efficient. That is why Vertical tends to release novels that are one-shots or are really short series (2-3 vols). Editing novels also take way more time than manga. Obviously a translation can take months, compared to weeks for manga, and editing can take just as long (and given NishiOishin’s love of creating his own written language through visual puns, editing and translating would be extremely time-consuming). Seventeen volumes of the Monogatari series would possibly take us 6 or seven years to go through, in a perfect world…


This is from Vertical Inc who are owned by Kodansha now so they would be the ones to release it here.
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>>101169498
Something like that, but while she is technically nude for some scenes, it makes sense for her to be and it isn't sexualized.
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>>101169541
It's not just about the US though. I'm brazilian and I'd import and read the novels the same way I did with the S&W ones.
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I just buy from Japan, good studying material for advanced Japanese.
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Can we all agree Hitagi is objectively the best girl in terms of design and writing?

You can have another girl as a favorite, but she's objectively (your opinion doesn't factor into it) the best girl.
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>>101169879
Yes
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>>101161110
>regiment
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>>101169879
>objectively
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>>101169879
Writing wise Nadeko is pretty interesting I think. I don't really like her all that much but the way her psyche pieces together through subtle hints as the story progresses is pretty nice I think.
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>>101169879
lol
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>>101169879
Hitagi is absolutely my favorite. Objectively best girl? I don't think there is one.
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>>101169879
Are you serious? You're ignoring the most complicated and nuanced relationship in the series. Plus her character design doesn't have the same recognizable silhouette.
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>>101170232
>You're ignoring the most complicated and nuanced relationship in the series

Pffft, please.
He's ignoring a boring fantasy crap relationship.
Araragi relationship with Hitagi, Tsubasa and Nadeko is much more interesting than that, because they are built on their personalities and personal problems.
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>>101170125
>Suspenders holding up her shirt

I don't know whether this is brilliant or retarded.
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>>101170232
This guy gets it.
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>>101169879
Yep, best design, writing and banters. I loved Nadeko In Nadeko Medusa, though.
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>>101169879
>objectively applied to something subjective in nature
>>101170454
>boring fantasy crap relationship
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>>101170454
>I never read Kizu
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Best relationship right here.
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>>101169879
>objectively


Dude she might be the worst in terms of writing. She's faded into being basically nothing this season. The other characters got depth and she somehow gets a free pass despite her ever-present issues. They turned her into a one dimensional girlfriend
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>>101170690
I read it, and I liked it for what it was, the usual story about the immortal who is tired of being immortal and the human who doesn't want to be an immortal monster.
I liked it, especially the execution of the ending, but it isn't nowhere near as interesting as the arcs about the personal problems. It's really just shallow fantasy crap compared to those.
It doesn't help that the other arcs with her as relevant character are among the worst of the series, Kabuki was mediocre and Oni was awful crap (aside fom the ending). So no, she and her relationship with araragi aren't interesting at all.
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>>101166171

People say VOFAN does the tiger stripes better, but the anime's version had the stripe pattern down pat.

Still sexy as all hell though.

>>101166424

I never really thought of Tsubasa and Hitagi as bisexual before. Though you see them almost holding hands in the last ED for season 2, and I've heard interesting things about their relationship in Ougi Formula, so maybe I'm wrong.
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>>101171348
Well, that's like, your opinion, man.
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>>101171348
You're taking a pretty shallow view on it, but I can't force you to think any harder about it.
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>>101171348
>among the worat of the series
Holy shit are you urposelly trying to ignore how much character development Kiss Shot gets and how well it's done because you just don't like her?
Everything withher in it is so damn good.
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>>101171880
Sorry about the typos. Fucking tablet keyboard screws me all the time.
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>>101171755
Wait, not that anon, but what is deep about Shinobu and Araragi's relationship?
Does Shinobu ever get analyzed the way the other girls are?
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>>101171316
>nothing this season

Actually, she was great as supporting character in Tsubasa Tiger and in Hitagi End, without her these arcs wouldn't have been that good. She covered these roles really well, so saying that "she might be the worst in terms of writing because She's faded into being basically nothing this season" is just talking nonsense. In Tsubasa tiger we saw her as a great friends, Hitagi End was basically almost all about her relationship with Kaiki, how much the tone of their conversation changes during this arc is amazing, saying that she hasn't got any development or that she is "one dimensional girlfriend" is talking nonsense.
And let's not forget how she saved the day manipulating nadeko in nadeko snake.
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>>101171755

To be fair though, its not the "most complicated and nuanced relationship in the series". I'd say if you call any of the relationships shallow, its either you don't care for them or you haven't noticed the nuance. I won't agree that Shinobu and Araragi's relationship is boring fantasy crap, but some relationships, like Araragi's and Tsubasa's, are more meaty and developed at this time.

In my opinion, the real evolution of their relationship didn't start until they licked their wounds and started talking in Nise. If anything, his relationship with Shinobu highlights several very fatal flaws for both and represents co-dependency on an unhealthy level at times. Its fun and playful, but as we will probably see in Shinobu Time, there are spots to uncover.
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>>101172279

*Shinobu Mail I mean
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>>101172142
But she was completely supporting, all she does is play the "caring" character. In Snake and Cat we see dualities in characters, in Hitagi End all we saw was Gahara taking a one sided stance. In no way is Gahara really forced to think during the arc, aside from the Kaiki crush confusion (I don't even know what was going on with that, it reminded me of the part in neko when Araragi said he only felt sexually attracted to Hanekawa) She's not horrible, she just got the shortest end of the stick. Frankly I think that Nisio doesn't KNOW how to write her at this point. By giving Hanekawa too much development he wrote himself into a corner where he had to prove Hitagi as being the most fit for Araragi's gf. I felt like he was just covering his ass with the "they end up in every universe" thing. In Tiger he also has Hanekawa say she knew they would be together in a similar way.

Somehow Hitagi gets to avoid the skeptical view we give all the other girls, for that reason I say she was the most poorly written
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>>101171958
Well, there is the way that both of their suicidal tendencies play off of one another and take the form of them supporting each other in life. That's kind of poetic. There is the way that Shinobu simultaneously curses Araragi for forcing her into a disgraced existence and likes/loves him for sacrificing himself to save her and refusing to let her die. There is the irony of the most powerful kaii being kept as a pet among other ways that juxtapose her being both very powerful and very weak. There is the satisfaction of watching her flimsy facade of being too dignified to care for a lowly human break down. There is the lingering question of what Araragi feels for Shinobu anyways. I could go on.
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>>101172951
She's too cute.
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>Temporarily out of stock.
FUCK
Should've preordered earlier, knowing Japan has good taste.
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>this is thread
Holy shit my dick.
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>>101172951
Ooh
It's interesting to compare Shinobu to the rest of the monogatari cast then
She's beyond those mortal problems
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>>101172633
>But she was completely supporting, all she does is play the "caring" character

Yeah, but the point is that if you must evaluate a character you must evaluate based on its role. In this season she was just a supporting character and must be evalueted as supporting character. For me she is as great as she she was in bake,only in a different way.


>In Snake and Cat we see dualities in characters

Duh, they were main characters.

>In no way is Gahara really forced to think during the arc

Actually, her opinion of Kaiki totally changes at the end of the arc, and during the arc the change is gradual and noticeable in the dialogue, which is probably one of the best written thing of the series.
You could say that Hitagi end ended what was left open by karen been crappy ending.

>I don't even know what was going on with that

That's the problem.

>it reminded me of the part in neko when Araragi said he only felt sexually attracted to Hanekawa)

That's another problem.

> Frankly I think that Nisio doesn't KNOW how to write her at this point.

No, the point is that He knows how to write her as supporting character, and she is perfectly well written for that kind of role in monogatari S2.

cont...
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>>101173745....cont


>By giving Hanekawa too much development he wrote himself into a corner where he had to prove Hitagi as being the most fit for Araragi's gf. I felt like he was just covering his ass with the "they end up in every universe" thing.

No, that wasn't the point, at all. I'm too tired too sum up that, if I find a post that summed up the whole Hanekawa-Hitagi question i will post it.
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>>101173745
I have to go to class anon-kun, I can't finish out discussion

A thousand apologies
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>>101173891
Well, it has been enjoyable. Good study anon.
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>>101173743

>beyond those mortal problems

If Hanekawa hadn't been brave enough to call out her shit, she would have done a suicide by cop with Araragi in Kizu. Same in Tsubasa Cat, Black Hanekawa was sharp enough to see she was in the shadow THE ENTIRE TIME.

Shinobu is awesome, but really, she has issues to deal with like all the other girls.
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real nigga shit, the struggle
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>>101174790
>Shinobu is awesome, but really, she has issues to deal with like all the other girls.
Yeah but shes like 500 something and bored as shit with life. Aside from Araragi being entertaining as fuck there isn't much you can do to remedy that.
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>>101176342
>bored as shit with life
Not when she has Araragi, who has the potential to live for eternity with her.
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>>101176634
Well yeah thats what I said. Without someone in her life shes like fucking toasted.
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>>101176682
Without someone in all our lives we're toasted. Would you like to live for eternity in complete solitude? Although she is a vampire she was still once human and we are social creatures.
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All I know is that Cat and Crab fucked in the shower and that Snail is the cutest there ever was.
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>>101176682
This is why Shinobu really wants to win the Araragi. But he got a lover while she was moping, so now we have a nice little conflict brewing.
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>>101176904
Yeah but you have to realize shes since transcended past what we as humans perceive as time with someone. Considering the fact shes in her early to mid 20s as Kiss-Shot she already lived life as a human to an extent. To be around for hundreds of years as a vampire means that shes seen lots of people come an go. Its hard to be social with something like a pet or student if you're like an 80 year old whos seen tons of them come and go. Someone needed to have an impact on her.
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>>101176981

Something that lives that long is going to be very, very patient. Araragi and Senjougahara, as good as they are, don't really seem to like each other that much, and even if they do, Senjougahara will die in ~60 years anyways.
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>>101177143
You don't actually think Araragi is going to live forever do you? The bond between him and Shinobu will be broken eventually, most likely with her death.
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>>101177092
That's why Araragi is so important to her, since he is someone who has the potential to live with her forever.
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>>101177143
Shinobu doesn't seem to be completely satisfied with their current relationship. I think she might push for sooner than 60 years in the off chance that Araragi's lifespan isn't a vampire's in this state. In that case she would really have to push to get him to both accept her as well as be OK with eating humans before the end of his life.
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>>101149816
>that part in the PE storage room in Kizu
>that page long description of her panties

my fucking dick
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>>101177143
Let's be honest, Senjougahara is the main girl and will win.
Also, Araragi isn't going to live forever. Him and Shinobu have raised quite a few death flags each.
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>>101177432
I don't see their "we die together" pact panning out, but I do think one of the two will die. Most likely it will be Shinobu, but I could also see Araragi getting killed Shinobu taking over protagonist duties for the finale.
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>people who even suggest best monogatari isn't kaiki
wow nerds
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so is it implied that Araragi is fucking Senjougahara or are they both still pure
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>>101171958
Are you high? Shinobu and Araragi's relationship is analyzed by an order of magnitude more than the other girls. It's the most complex, developed, and unclear relationship in the entire series.
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>>101177800
He's cool but highly overrated.
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>>101150431
based
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>>101177877
Araragi can't fuck Hitagi (or anyone, for that matter) because Shinobu exists.
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>>101178069
>implying she has any say in the matter
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>>101177908
Speaking of which, the second most analyzed relationship is most likely Hitagi and Araragi's, but only under the pretense that the relationship is meant to fail. When you just assume "they're deeply in love and that's it" then the depth of just about every character takes a dive.
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>>101178069
>mfw doujins of Araragi and Shinobu fucking for hours on end because they feel the other's arousal and have vampire regeneration.
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>>101178069
>implying vamp could stop crab from doing whatever she wants to araragi
hell vamp is only capable of seriously stopping ararararagi from molesting a 10 year old

that hand hanging from ceilings, vamp is pretty good at that too
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>>101178069
Araragi did fuck Senjougahara though.
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>>101178141
She kinda does, because Araragi can't have sex without effectively having sex with Shinobu at the same time. She did suggest that she was cool with a threesome with Hachikuji though.
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>>101177345
>mfw I was at work and decided to read Kizu.
>mfw when I got to the chapter of him describing her panties.
>mfw I got promoted.
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>>101177282
>Shinobu doesn't seem to be completely satisfied with their current relationship
She doesn't seem content with a lot of things. Thats probably why she was suicidial.
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>>101178243
Nise did a pretty good job of covering this, actually. Hitagi had Araragi chained up and was "dominating" him, then he gets that text from Karen and Shinobu helps him bust right out of the chains and Hitagi could only stand there soaking her panties as Araragi left to do his job as a siscon.
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Would you lick her feet or ass, knowing every lick would drain a little of your energy?
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>>101178406
>can't fuck her because contact, even with something between us, drains my energy until it kills me
how can reality be so cruel as to give us a perfect 40-50% specimen while simultaneously removing our capability to enjoy
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>>101178388
Hitagi only stood down because of Hanekawa's threat. I think she's more afraid of her than Shinobu.
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>>101178406
No. Mostly because I know that it would.
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>>101178248
Nope. Crab fucked Cat though
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>liking cat
Cat, like her fanbase, has no taste
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>>101178319
She seems to have at least accepted being in Araragi's shadow for now and isn't really suicidal so long as he is with her. However, she really seems to be pushing for Araragi to come to a conclusion about what sort of relationship they're in rather than tiptoeing around the issue. Thus the whole, "who do you like most," bit.
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>>101178555
Ah I forgot about Hanekawa, although at that point I doubt Hitagi knew Shinobu was involved in the situation. She hadn't even begun talking yet.
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>>101178302
I don't understand what's going on in this image.
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>>101178243

Isn't it no-shadow, no-Shinobu? Reference: black-hanekawa asking rararagi to step into the light to make his shadow stronger before the life-drain.
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>>101178549
Is that card formatted incorrectly in order to make people angry? Because it's working.
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>>101178732
I can't read Japanese, but it's basically Onimonogatari.
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alright you niggers listen up

vamp>crab>snail>bee>cat>monkey>phoenix>>>>>>>>snake

they're all shits compared to Kaiki though
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>>101179142
>Not having Snail first.

loldisregard.
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>>101179096
Well yeah I got that much, but the top left I don't really get. Unless it's the artist's rendition of the Shinobu kiss.

>>101178733
Presumably so, but I don't think there's ever been a situation in which that has actually been a thing.

And really, Hitagi can't dominate Araragi physically, period. She can't dominate him emotionally because Shinobu exists, no shadow or not.
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>>101178785
yes
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>>101179142
exquisite taste
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Cat > Crab > Snake > Monkey > Zombie > Bird > Bee > Snail > Shit > Bat
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>>101179142
Only thing wrong here is crab is way too high.
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>>101179263

Hitagi submitting is what is actually appealing about tsundre-chan. E.g., starfield picnic.

So turn the lights off and prepare for no-interruption sexy time.
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>>101179142
I don't like it.
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>>101179317
The problem is she's not high enough.

But seriously this thread was going so well don't shit it up with rankings.
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>>101179403
Even if she submits, Araragi is for all intents and purposes celibate. He's far too respectful of Shinobu, especially in Nise when he still doesn't know her that well, to commit mental rape against her.

Unless of course she was cool with it, in which case he's basically sharing his girlfriend's virginity in a threesome, which is equally fucked up.
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>>101179263
I could only assume that the person who drew that picture thought that's how the scene went in the LN as opposed to the anime. That picture is older than what SHAFT did.
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Let's play a game, this is for all 4 players, it's scenes from a hat

First scene, "Things worse than Snake".
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>>101178584
No Araragi fucked her.
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What I'm really interested in is how Araragi and Shinobu reuniting during the Shinobu Time timeskip will work out. Shinobu Time had two major events: Shinobu getting seperated, and Hachikuji passing on. Both were pretty heavy for Araragi emotionally, and Hachikuji was Araragi's main emotional support throughout the series. Now that support is gone at what is probably the time he needs it most, meaning that relief brought by reuniting with Shinobu will probably trigger her falling into that role. (Previously Shinobu primarily played with him and served as a practical support, rather than a moral one. Unshakeable trust aside.)

All signs suggest that it will be a pretty major event, especially because it was specifically removed from Shinobu Time in order to be used in Shinobu Mail. It's also likely that getting Shinobu back won't be so simple, Gaen's job was evidently a really huge problem and I wouldn't be surprised if Shinobu being lost is a big part of it.
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>>101179843
urmum #rekt
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>>101179843
Gaen?
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>>101179843
Forgetting to turn your oven off when you leave home. When you rush home you find out that your house has burned down, you're waifu has become real and is eagerly taking 20 black cocks. When you attempt to talk to her she spits on you. You then get AIDS.
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>>101179843
Bat
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>>101179843
Oshino. I'm talking about Oshino Ougi of course.
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my waifu can beat up your waifu
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>>101180050
猫物語(白)時では、八九寺真宵と神原がヒロインかと思っていたのですが、しのぶメイルというサブタイトルが示すように、忍野忍がヒロインで傷物語、傾物語、鬼物語で触れられていた、1人目の眷属だった「初代怪異殺し」が敵役として登場します。
 傷物語や傾物語ではキスショット(や忍)によって含みのある言い回しで語られていたのが、鬼物語では一転してぱっとしないキャラクターとして語られていた彼が、この物語では非常に魅力的に描かれていました。

 「初代怪異殺し」がかつて怪異の専門家であり、場をしきるのが臥煙 伊豆湖ということで、対決を描きながらも整理されてゆとりある印象が強く、どちらかというと忍の恋愛劇が一番の見所だったと思います。
神原と忍がとっくみあいで恋愛で語るシーンは泣けました。
 戦場ヶ原ひたぎや神原が「よりも条件がいい奴が告白してきたら、乗り換えると」という、恋愛の残酷さを受け入れているのに対して、受け入れられず怯える忍が可愛く、また物語の最後ではきっちりと締めてくれました。

 あと細かいネタですが、これまでやられっぱなしだった臥煙さんに阿良々木暦が一矢報いて(?)青ざめさせるシーンが好きでした。
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>>101180306
>runes
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how come the LN's are still mostly untranslated?
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>>101180386
Because Nisio love puns, wordplay and double meanings.
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>>101180386
Every book has like 5 translated chapters and then no one touches it. If they worked together we would have at least 1-2 fully translated by now.
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>>101180306
>It's thought the cat story in the ( white ) when , Kambara VIII and Mayoi is or heroine , but the subtitle of Shinobu mail as indicated , Oshino Shinobu is touched wound story ,傾物words , in the demon story heroine had , it was the first user of Kin "primary grotesque killing " will appear as a villain .
It 's had been told in diplomatic language by ( Shinobu ) or kiss shot is傾物language scratches and story , he had been told as a character you do not want to suddenly in reversal in the demon story , very attractive in this story were drawn .

>The love drama of Shinobu and say "primary grotesque killing " is an expert in strangeness once , by that Gaen Izu Lake 's partition the place , impression a certain space and are organized even while drawing a confrontation is strong , either I think it was a highlight of the best .

>Shinobu scene and Kambara talk in love with tussle was cry .

>The end of the story Shinobu Kambara and Senjougahara Hitagi Whereas an acceptance " guy condition is good Kitara confessed than , and switch " and , the cruelty of love , frightened and was not accepted , and also cute Visit me tighten tight .

>It is a fine story later , but it was like a scene you blench ( ?) Araragi calendar reward serious blow to Mr. Gaen that, until now, were kept on beaten .

One day...we'll get a better translator...
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>>101180306
and more spoilers here

blog-mj.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2014-01-30
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>>101180649
Who the fucks is Kambara? Is that supposed to be Kanbaru?
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>The end of the story Shinobu Kambara and Senjougahara Hitagi Whereas an acceptance " guy condition is good Kitara confessed than , and switch " and , the cruelty of love , frightened and was not accepted , and also cute Visit me tighten tight .
>and also cute Visit me tighten tight .
It's confirmed, Shinobu wins and Araragi screws her beains out
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>>101180302
When if Shinobu became my waifu when she was still Kiss-Shot because I read kizu?
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>>101180779
Doll confirmed best girl
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>>101181037
I would assume so.
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>>101162340
I think Araragi fell in love with Kissshot, but is deeply in denial about it because of her being a monster/vampire. In Kizu Araragi obviously had some manner of strong feelings about her that were never properly touched on.

Denial would explain Araragi's irrational refusal to clarify his feelings regarding Shinobu. It would also explain why Shinobu doesn't know how he feels. Araragi's thoughts and emotions are all shared with Shinobu, which means that Shinobu not knowing how he feels about her means that Araragi himself doesn't know. However, Shinobu seems to believe her chances are high enough to put herself up against Hitagi in Shinobu Time, and when she does Araragi utterly fails to answer her, making denial a strong possibility.
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>>101181149
Wishful thinking.
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>>101180649
>The end of the story Shinobu Kambara and Senjougahara Hitagi Whereas an acceptance " guy condition is good Kitara confessed than , and switch " and , the cruelty of love , frightened and was not accepted , and also cute Visit me tighten tight.

Araragi confirmed for overcoming lesbianism.
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>>101180386
translating Nisio Isin is hard as fuck
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>>101181149
>>101182082
>>101183679
Wouldn't it be something if Hitagi and Shinobu fell in love and Araragi got double-NTR'd in one go?
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God fucking damn it. Shaft didn't add in any of the scenes they cut in the first Kabukimonogatari BD. The changes are all lighting, backgrounds and a static effect instead of 'black scene'.
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>>101187243
He would always have Kanbaru and Hanekawa.
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My love for kitty is strong.

So much so she dominates my PSVita.

Much love for the wing.
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>>101188079
Post your wallpapers, please. There are some nice ones.
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>go to bed
>thread still up
As expected if Catbros.

>>101167072
Yes, they're terrible.
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>>101177928

And highly dead.
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>>101188079

>all those fucking waifus
you have pretty decent taste though, considering, who is 2nd row to the right though? only one i don't recognize.
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>>101188215

That would be a hell of a chore.

Which ones do you want? I'm feeling particularly lazy tonight.
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>>101149816
>>101149846
>>101149899
>>101149965
>>101150011
>>101150160
>>101150465

Full force.
Vagina, mouth, and anus.
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>>101188648
The middle one at the top, thanks in advance.
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>>101188750

Fluffy tail coming right up.
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Hanakawa and her parent issues bore me, and I don't really like her arcs.
But GODDAMN would I ravage that body.
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>>101188822
Thanks a lot, found the original image.
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>>101188079
Who's the girl third row to the left? Could you post her wallpaper as well, please?
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>>101170232
Shinobu is Araragi's inner self. They are essentially the same character. His relationship with Shinobu is his relationship with himself.
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>>101188473
>As expected if Catbros.
real niqqas
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>>101189170
Then why does Shinobu try to molest little Araragi?
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>>101189365
The exact same reason that Araragi tries to molest his sisters.
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>>101189365
It was a joke.
>Someone must be a bad influence on her.
Then five minutes later he tries to molest loli Hanekawa.
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>>101189541
>The exact same reason that Araragi tries to molest his sisters.
Shinobu does not have a permanent 14 and under seeking erection.
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> mfw haneshitwa gets the most screentime even though snake is superior in every conceivable way
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>>101189756
no
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>>101187243
It's Hanekawa and Hitagi that are going to fall in love. Hell, they've already started getting sexy with eachother.

Shinobu on the other hand will never be detached from Araragi willingly.
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>>101169879
Shinobu is the most well-written. Second place I would give to either Hachikuji or Kanbaru. I really like all the foreshadowing Nisio did regarding Kanbaru, and Hana is great.
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>>101189834
> haneshitwa fanboy defending her in a haneshitwa thread
typical
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>>101189756
>>101190274
>Thinking that snake is better than anyone.

On an unrelated note I got some BD cover scans in a Happy Bite torrent.
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>>101190433

she looks... off
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>>101188488
He's still alive in the future (the kanbaru volume that didn't get animated). He takes kanbaru out to yakiniku and gives her some stuff from her dead mother.
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>>101190489
Her eyes are spaced a little too far apart. The classic Air problem.
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>>101188572
Syndra, from League of Legends the vidya
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>>101190274
>shitposter shitposting in a thread he doesn't like
typical shitposter
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>>101190630
I like how most of the character highlights here have been floating around as screencaps.
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>>101190866
This was actually packaged with the BD.
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>last chapter of the series
>Shinobu is kill
>Araragi fully turns kai
>he asks Gaen one last favor
>fulfill the pact
>Gaen puts Heartspan to his heart
>Kanbaru holding Hitagi back, saying it's his wish
>despair
>Ougi stops her, says it's not his time yet
>somewhere in the distance, Hanekawa chuckles as another piece of her plan comes into place

What are your predictions for the end?
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>>101191265

It's never going to end.

And if it does, it'll be like a whimper.
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>>101191265
Considering the epilogue that wasn't animated doesn't feature any of this, I don't think it's the case. The only thing that's left is details about who or what ougi is.
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>>101191511
>Implying that the final novel isn't going to happen after the 'epilogue'.
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>>101191640
Well, the finale (barring more parts after this) is a two-parter and the first part is well before the epilogue. I'd say it's unlikely.
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>>101191715
Meant 3 parter, my mistake.
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>>101191749
But Owarimonogatari already does a bunch of time skips between parts. Volume one was about the first time Araragi met Ougi. Then the one coming out is about Araragi's job for Gaen.
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>>101191511
>Hana
>Epilogue

You wot
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>>101191844
All I'm saying is it would be way out of left field for him to suddenly skip to the end and change a ton of motivations/kill people off. The best thing to do would be to make us see things in a new light by telling us more about the past.

>>101191858
Well it kind of is, isn't it? I mean there's development with kanbaru, for sure, but it just feels like closure rather than something ongoing. He brings out Araragi and has her chat with him about random stuff just to let us know people are still alive. Not to mention chronologically it's way after other stuff.
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>>101191844
Not to mention Ougi, who is so clearly the antagonist, is still around in Hana.

Araragi has unfinished business, unless he somehow made her less evil by turning her into a dude.
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>>101149816
Because the character is designed to pander to the primary market in Japan of filthy, degenerate Otakus, and incidentally appeals to you as an even more shameful and degenerate weaboo, who should be more removed from this shit because it's a different culture, etc.

Enjoy being a massive tool with a creepy fetish.
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>>101191942
Ougi is obviously a time traveler, though. Even if she is an antagonist, defeating her would make little sense, since she only represents equality or balance.
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>>101191923
It's the first semester of the new school year. That's pretty damn for from being "way after" anything else. If it were like their second year of college you might have a point, but Araragi was already a senior at the beginning of the series.
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>>101191923
>The final volume won't change a ton of motivations/kill people off.
Is this your first Nisio series?
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>>101191999
I read all of zaregoto, nothing weird happened there. What series are you talking about?
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>>101191983
Her methods are questionable at best. Why did she cause that bullshit with Nadeko? Why did she get back at Kaiki for ruining her plans? Why did she trigger the events of Kabuki? Why did she kill all the surrounding villages instead of going after kissshot? Why does the manifestation of truth tell lies?

She's shady as fuck, even for an Oshino.
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>>101192034
I'm thinking of all the bullshit that happened in Medaka Box.
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I want to cum inside Hanekawa so much.

I have the desire to literally fuck her 20 hours straight tin a row every day and keep impregnating her
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>>101192057
A lot of those are either obvious or a stretch.

She caused nadeko to be a god because they needed a god in the area.
She got back at kaiki because he wasn't supposed to come back.
Remind me again what she did to cause kabuki? I seriously don't remember if she planted the idea in Araragi's head or whatever.
We don't know that she's actually the same darkness, there could be something more there.
No one said that she's the manifestation of truth, just balance. If anything, it would be unbalanced for her to be only truthful.

Anyway, she's obviously set up as an antagonist, but she's not doing it for personal or antagonistic reasons. She's an enemy because the narrative wants her to be an enemy (which fits in perfectly with the meta stuff nisio puts in).
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>>101192168
The speech about traffic lights at the beginning of Kabuki

>Didn't you JUST SAY that she was a time traveler in obvious reference to that event?
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>>101192168
Her character has NEVER been described as "balance" or anything of the sort. It has, however, been described on multiple occasions as a punisher of liars. Yet she herself tells lies. It's an obvious contradiction.
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>>101192240
I was referring to her talking to sengoku and wondering whether she was "supposed to have met her" or not. But there is that too.

My main point is that Ougi isn't set up as someone "defeatable", at least not in the sense of whipping out a sword or overpowering her. He's going to have to do something more subtle or cerebral.

>>101192306
True, I forgot about that. But this just proves my original point further, that there's a hell of a lot to be explored with ougi's backstory and fleshing that out. There's no need or even real reason for Nisio to go further into the chronological future in order to make a compelling end to the series.
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White Hanekawa is just that type of 3D girlfriend I wish I could marry
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I've been waiting months for the season 2 blurays, should I just keep waiting or watch it already?
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>>101194195
You can watch it now, because the only scenes where waiting is worth it have been released as BDs already.
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She's not even that soft.
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>>101194397
Then I suppose you could present a softer alternative?
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>>101194424
What good would it do? People can't appreciate her true softness anyway
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>>101191265

It is funny that even now, people think Hanekawa has a super master plan.

They are right, though some people think she will be surprise villain. Nisio better not.



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